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November 30, 2022

Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2022-212

I will have to take off today to finish my Christmas backing. I will make plenty of these today as well as other ones. They will be send out to friends and family to arrive at St. Nicolas day, December 6.

News & views not related to the Ukraine conflict ...

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Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 1 2022 10:17 utc | 98

The weasel is his mother’s Son. She is some intellectual who personifies one of Ayn Rand’s selfish characters. In some of her papers she actively says that one can lie and cheat if you “are superior “or some such. It is on the web.

I just checked and found this on reddit.

“Sam Bankman's Mom Wrote an Essay Questioning Blame for Problems
Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/CryptoCurrency.
Moderators remove posts from feeds for a variety of reasons, including keeping communities safe, civil, and true to their purpose.”

Note it was moderated! And called it “anecdotal” . No doubt as reddit is fearful of the US gov. No doubt it will appear in her works at her university though….

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 1 2022 10:54 utc | 101

... his mother’s Son. She is ...
@Brother Ma | Dec 1 2022 10:54 utc | 101


In popular culture, Fagin (or at least his name) is used in comparison with adults who use children for illegal activities.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2022 11:08 utc | 102

Briefly on more Russian satellites.

Three Russian military satellites gone up in a month according to Sputniknews or RT. They might keep on launching but I wouldn't know the cadence.

Haven't dug for info, not even a simple search or getting the orbits (which could tell a lot) because I'm extremely tired. Quick successive launches does happen once in a while so it might not be super-duper-special (or alternatively it always is).

Sorry if this has already been pointed out elsewhere by someone else.

External links to anyone sensible (none of the usual names) would also be welcome. If I was fit for purpose (nowhere close) I would do a very rare visit to my "dead" Gmail account with various newsletters (might be five years or more since last time) and other old haunts to have a sniff and search for any talk. I'm convinced somebody out there has already done (or started) most of the legwork if anyone here is more interested than me, finding them in all/any noise would be the main issue.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 1 2022 12:17 utc | 103

The CCP's cctvs found a BBC journalist within 7 hours in Shanghai, but could find Chinese college students in 7 months. "Why China’s massive surveillance cameras can’t find the missing teens", poor murdered for matching organs found out by some rich through medical data availability in PRC:

The Falgun "Harvest" ran out, next the Uygurs (= selective mass murder that would make Himmler blush)

What a proletarian paradise!

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 1 2022 12:20 utc | 104

@ Antonym | Dec 1 2022 12:20 utc | 104

CPC. No journey of a thousand Li, for you! First tentative step ... yer smacking yer face into the ground. Ouch!

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 1 2022 12:30 utc | 105

Piers Corbyn - Jeremy's older brother - is an accomplished weather forecaster whose methods have a long track record of being accurate months in advance. Because he poo-poos the global warming narrative (and now also the pandemic one as well) he is persona non grata in British media. Ideally the government would pay him for the forecasts which could be shared with all and sundry. For example this year big decisions by both individuals and townships need to be made in Northern European zones and knowing what's coming down in Jan, Feb and March might be extremely helpful. But no, all his stuff is behind a paywall and in order to honor the interests of his paying customers he cannot reveal his forecasts. Although he does say that March is going to be truly epic.

This youtube is less about his forecasts as about his views regarding global warming and what he sees as a concerted effort by the Powers that Be to establish techno-fascist totalitarianism which he is against. Which means he is also against many of his brother's positions since Jeremy has bought into much of it.

I don't do that sort of thing but suspect could make a bundle trading grains and energies based on his winter forecasts which cost about $100 I think....

In any case, Piers is one of those great working class geniuses that England regularly throws up. A real character.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2022 12:52 utc | 106

On the topic of Malaysia: Unlike Singapore, which under the late Lee Kuan Yew managed to play both sides to their own benefit, Malaysia never escaped the yoke of Anglo imperialism. All parties, government or opposition, are beholden to their masters where foreign policy is concerned given Malaysia's dependence on Western corporations as a manufacturing base (Intel comes to mind).

My take on Najib (MH370, MH17, 1MDB) was that he stepped on one too many toes by being too close with China by inviting mainland investors and BRI projects - which the "ex-regime strongman now opposition leader and all-time US buddy" Mahathir got rid of the moment the Najib-led government lost in the 2018 elections. Mahathir got ejected by an internal power struggle the next year.

Politics and governmental policy in Malaysia is strictly divided by race, a British legacy well use to keep a firm hold on power (and doesn't seem unlike what was used as a basis for Ukraine's new identity post 2014). Anwar's victory is not unlikely and welcome even among those who identify him as an "CIA man" since there are no other options for systemically oppressed minorities and those tired of the racist demagogues.

Posted by: Watchful Expat | Dec 1 2022 13:06 utc | 107

Quick musical dead-drop for James in particular but also everyone.

Give the following a listen, it's German brass band "techno" hehe :D "MEUTE - Peace" (YouTube, 7:44).

Looking them up on Wikipedia I also found "MEUTE - The Man With the Red Face (Laurent Garnier Rework)" (YouTube, 8:18) and there's much more. I prefer the much darker and grittier original since the darkness is where it has its soul.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 1 2022 13:35 utc | 108

Another report from the fringe..

Swiss government diagnosed Dr. Binder with “Corona Insanity” before booking him in a mental institution.

A European doctor who was hauled off to a mental hospital by the Swiss government for warning the public against Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) lockdowns and other tyrannical practices at the onset of the scamdemic is speaking out about what he endured.

In an interview with journalist and Children’s Health Defense (CHD) contributor Taylor Hudak, cardiologist Dr. Thomas Binder revealed how he was terrorized by 60 armed police officers, including 20 from the Kantonspolizei Aargau’s anti-terrorism unit, known as ARGUS, after he published a blog post on April 9, 2020, thoroughly analyzing the many unscientific measures that were first being imposed at the time.

Caveat: this website is run by a far-right extremist often on Alex Jones' show. He runs his own scientific laboratory and develops organic supplements which he sells for income. He goes by the moniker Health Ranger. And has his own video-hosting platform because his material is banned by Youtube. A true subversive!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2022 13:46 utc | 109

Posted by: Watchful Expat | Dec 1 2022 13:06 utc | 107

Story from 4 Dec, 2013

"And yet Malaysia, a predominantly Muslim country, has now called a tribunal for war crimes and produced a genocide ruling – against whom?

Not against Assad, as one might have expected, but against Israel, the state that considers itself to be beyond the jurisdiction of any court or tribunal."

Reaction from the "other side" :-)

But was it the final reaction ?

"Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down 17 July 2014"

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 1 2022 14:13 utc | 110

Brave Browser is essentially Google Chrome with all the surveillance and ad-pushing code removed, plus some other privacy/security code added. Tor is also included as a click-to-use option. Brave is Open Source.

Brave Search does need to be installed separately. It doesn't have the same reach as other search engines, but it is more private. The more people use Brave Search, the greater the reach it will develop.

Why change to Brave products? Both Firefox(even with blocking add-ons) and DuckDuckGo, the most popular former non-corporate options, have been revealed as not nearly as private as claimed.

Brave is past the usual start-up Open Source problems and is available FREE for most major platforms other than ARM processors as found in the Raspberry Pi and similar micro-computers. Use the actual Brave site to download/install, that way there is no additional "payload" that unscrupulous coders will include via 3rd party sites.


Posted by: Old canadian | Dec 1 2022 15:11 utc | 111

Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2022 11:08 utc | 102

I know him well! Yet, you are not allowed to mention what ethnic group he belonged to in this Brave Woke World. I am told that Dickens’ book was altered quite early; to make it palatable , yet you can read between the lines and even the movie “Oliver”- from the Sixties/Seventies -shows Fagin as a deadringer for the stereotypical descendant of “ the Pale of Settlement “ Forebears found in Whitechapel at the time.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 1 2022 15:44 utc | 112

what ethnic group
Posted by: Brother Ma | Dec 1 2022 15:44 utc | 112

neurodivergent FKA neuroatypical gestational carrier group?

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 1 2022 15:56 utc | 113

@ too scents | Dec 1 2022 10:49 utc | 100

sounds about right...

@ Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 1 2022 13:35 utc | 108

that's really cool srb! i have never heard of this group before, but i dig it... so much music out their and hard to keep on top of all that is going on.. my only criticism is just how static the rhythm is.. but this static type rhythm defines most popular music at this point in many cultures, but especially western culture.. they are swinging the rhythm though, as opposed to a lot of metal where it is played straight 8th and not swung... swing is the basis for rhythm and blues and jazz of course... a lot of pop music got away from these types of grooves into more militaristic sounding rhythms - straight 8th, 16ths and etc - machine like... this group is definitely jazz influenced, but also techno pop, so an interesting hybrid... thanks for sharing!

@ Tom_12 | Dec 1 2022 14:13 utc | 110

i was in malaysia - 2016 for about 1 month.. beautiful people was my surface impression.. at the time i picked up a copy of the autobio on Mahathir bin Mohamad... fascinating dude... if you can get a copy of his book, it helps to enlighten one about the culture, dynamics and challenges of the malaysian people... as for israel - malaysian relations - check out this wiki link, bearing in mind how wiki skews things to the american-israel perspective.. or better - get a copy of mahathirs book.. excellent read as an introduction to malaysia..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 16:08 utc | 114

I was happy to see b had promptly removed a comment about Socrates that was OT and also inaccurate on the ukraine open thread. However, in the mean time I'd revisited the thread I have used on such early Greek history and find the author of it has now expanded it greatly. The section on Socrates is still under expansion, but here is a wonderful chronology page for anyone interested in such:

I look forward to further explorations on the site as developments proceed.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 1 2022 16:24 utc | 115

Whatever job you have in the US is being paid in USD so if the USD is 'crushed' wouldn't earnings basically become worthless as a result? For example, we'll end up needing wheelbarrows of cash for a loaf of bread.

Posted by: Nathan in WA US | Nov 30 2022 18:44 utc | 14

Speaking of bread (or its precursors), I've for years been buying wheat and rye "berries" and sprouting them. The end result is quite nutritious and mildly sweet, and the berries if kept dry last for years. I've sprouted lentils also, which gives them an appealing tang.

I'm not suggesting that one live on the above exclusively, but it seems sensible to me to build up a surplus of long-lasting, healthy food. Even during periods of general affluence, food that's as close to unadulterated as possible has value.

Posted by: David Levin | Dec 1 2022 16:29 utc | 116

The Right People Z

Supplied link is an open Telegram channel, so should simply open in your browser sans TG account or app.

0:16s video clip

When some retarded shit happens in a Russian plane is because they are drunk retards that can't design planes.

When is a Chinese plane, then it happened because it was a cheap low quality copy.

When it happens on a brand new NATO plane it is just "small issues".

Anyway the Most expensive weapons program in human history keeps having some "small funny issues"

F-35 Lightning II fighter of the 121st squadron of the USMC at the Kadena Air Force Base on the Japanese island of Okinawa, when towing, the front landing gear just collapsed.

One of those ~800 unresolved critical flaws that this exorbitantly expensive 'state-of-the-art' crap has, & still not met certified operational combat status & likely never will.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 1 2022 16:29 utc | 117

London Paul of the Sirus Report. Big picture financials and geo-politics.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Dec 1 2022 16:48 utc | 118

Talking about super-woke European TV stations who end up being hopelessly Euro-centrist...

I was trying to watch the Canada-Morocco game that's currently on.
(There's a soccer world championship going on, FYI.)
Not a chance. German state TV (ARD) airs the games, but out of two parallel games (both 4-6 PM) has opted for showing the Croatia-Belgium game, instead of Canada-Morocco.
That's the wrong game, apparently. Croatia-Belgium 0:0 (how interesting), while Canada-Morocco stands at 1:2. The woke Canadians (Muslim lovers all of them there, I have no doubt) are taking a beating by tiny Muslim Morocco, but I don't get to watch it anywhere.

Thanks for nothing!

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Dec 1 2022 16:50 utc | 119

Mainstream extremist warmongering. Recommends outright war at sea without openly admitting it. This craziness just won't stop.

Posted by: Eighthman | Dec 1 2022 16:54 utc | 120

good overview on developments in afganistan from indian punchline...

Reflections on Events in Afghanistan — 41

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 17:22 utc | 121

I don't want to put too much emphasis on it but this is the first day in a while that I am seeing oil and commodities prices go up significantly as US market prices are falling.

This is what I would expect come crash time.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2022 17:31 utc | 122

I'm not suggesting that one live on the above exclusively, but it seems sensible to me to build up a surplus of long-lasting, healthy food. Even during periods of general affluence, food that's as close to unadulterated as possible has value.

Posted by: David Levin | Dec 1 2022 16:29 utc | 116

I'm located very near grain belt of silos mostly wheat. Once you could buy local 75lb sacks for cheap direct but no longer as all grain are controlled by a Co Op.

I free range sheep and would supplement with wheat and barley and brew beer. The price for grain has suddenly within resent years skyrocket and sold now days by the tonnage forcing small farms to shop at local retailers.

Posted by: John2007 | Dec 1 2022 17:37 utc | 123

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 16:08 utc | 114

In 2003 Malaysia introduced foreign exchange controls. I recall sitting and listening to a BBC report how damaging this was going to be to Malaysia and how certain the "experts" were that this would sink them. Well it was about a year or so later that I noticed that Malaysia was just fine. That was another one of those "calibration points" for me with respect who is BS-ing who.

More or less around this time I began to strongly realized that the BBC is nothing but a propaganda outlet. Also at this time I read more about Mahathir Mohamad, realizing what a smart guy he is.

The Tribe tried then to take Malaysia down, but it didn't work

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 1 2022 18:03 utc | 124

@ Tom_12 | Dec 1 2022 18:03 utc | 124

bang on.. exactly.. thanks for this and your other commentary at moa..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 18:15 utc | 125

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 18:15 utc | 125

I just watched half of the Star Trek episode "The Cage".
If you carefully listen to the dialogue, IMHO, Capt. Pike (in the cage) is describing 2022 and the glorious world of Zio-Swine Schwab is trying to birth.

Now to the start of World Cup game ;-)

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 1 2022 19:01 utc | 126

Re: Sunny Runny Burger @ 108

Thank you very much for the musical interlude. I am a recovering trombone player and enjoyed it very much. It reminded me a bit of Trombone Shorty. I find he has released two more CDs since I bought his first three. His website has samples but I will not bother to post a link as he is easy to find.

Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Dec 1 2022 19:39 utc | 127

the USA, France, Germany and the UK are imperialist scoundrels, always stirring up trouble, mayhem, murder, havoc and regime change/coup d'etat in some part of the world. They have succeeded, at least temporarily, in Pakistan with Imran Khan out and the pro-Western lackeys in
Time will tell, and he is a talker
41. US brings culture wars to Afghanistan

"....Since then, the US estimates that with Russia bogged down in Ukraine and China remaining extra-cautious in consorting with Moscow, a window of opportunity is available for it to proactively work toward promoting regime changes in Central Asia and wrest the region from the Russian orbit.

Attempts were made in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan but the regimes in those countries were vigilant.  The failed attempts once again drew attention to the importance of Afghanistan as a high ground in the geopolitics of the Central Asian region. Hence the need to regain control over Kabul.

This is a truly collective effort by the Western intelligence, with the US, UK, France and Germany in the lead role. Unsurprisingly, the West’s focus has shifted to the northern regions of Afghanistan bordering the ex-Soviet republics of Central Asia.

With a pro-Western regime in power in Pakistan, the US gets a free hand to work with the non-Taliban groups...."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 1 2022 20:33 utc | 128

@ Tom_12 | Dec 1 2022 19:01 utc | 126

lol.. for the star trek fans out their - that ought to be a fun exercise... enjoy the game..

Posted by: james | Dec 1 2022 20:41 utc | 129

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 30 2022 16:10 utc | 2

Guardian will never admit & never apologize. That would open the door to libel & character assassination law suits.

Posted by: Mary | Dec 1 2022 21:50 utc | 130

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 30 2022 17:10 utc | 8

You need to stock up in advance of the break down. Once it's underway, the shelves will be empty.

Like Kunstler had said for years, collapse now & BB beat the rush

Posted by: Mary | Dec 1 2022 21:56 utc | 131

From Reuters

World Bank chief says poorest countries owe $62 bln on bilateral debt

WASHINGTON, Dec 1 (Reuters) - The world's poorest countries now owe $62 billion in annual debt service to official bilateral creditors, an increase of 35% over the past year, World Bank President David Malpass said on Thursday, warning that the increased burden is increasing the risk of defaults.

Debts that can't be paid , won't be paid.
To think that those that control the World Bank now own those countries that can't make debt payments is why we are in the civilization war we are in.
The Reset is coming but it might not quite be what some think

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2 2022 1:49 utc | 132

The Four *uckeries by the Cluster*ck Nation blog:
a brief overview.

1. First: Covid-19. How is it that we don’t know for sure how this organism came into the world, or understand what ensued after it did?
2. Two: Government’s war on its own citizens. I’d date this for the sake of simplicity to the DOJ’s and FBI’s campaign to defenestrate Donald Trump starting in 2016 for the crime of winning an election.
3. Three: Wokery, the Marxist campaign to disorder society in order to overthrow existing institutions and replace them with a utopian dictatorship of the intersectionally oppressed — also known as The Revenge of the Losers.
4. Four, the most mysterious of the four fuckeries: Globalism as represented by the World Economic Forum (WEF) led by the quasi-comical Klaus Schwab.
I’m not wholly on-board with believing any of this; just sayin’ it’s all ‘out there’ and, crazy as it sounds, it is hard to explain.

Except in this way. Readers know that I have retailed my personal view of a collapsing techno-industrial society as The Long Emergency. My own conviction is this: that the general apprehension of such an event, now on-going, has generated among the citizenry such terror as to drive society crazy. (Mass Formation is a related interpretation, not necessary to go into here.)

I have emboldened the parts I most agree with. With everything that keeps unfolding, especially these sweeping global phenomena of late like covid and now Ukraine, I keep having the feeling that - yet again - 'we are being played.' What's going on makes no sense, is highly surreal, and at the same time remarkably consistent. How is such a combination possible?

It isn't, but here we are...
being played...

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 1:55 utc | 133

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 2 2022 1:55 utc | 133

Yes, we are being played.
Even the most astute have weaknesses, where engaged in the "game", are under the delusion of being on top of things and aware.
Look for the Archilles' Heel.

Posted by: Fíréan | Dec 2 2022 3:01 utc | 134

Homemade cookies are love on a plate. Bake on! Your fam is lucky to have you and so are we, thank you

Posted by: TDeL | Dec 2 2022 3:47 utc | 135

too scents @ 100
Obviously the parents and Stanford needs to add a few ethics classes to the curriculum.

Posted by: circumspect | Dec 2 2022 4:44 utc | 136

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 30 2022 23:30 utc | 41

Gold is currency. And I think the most reliable, it'll be nice and shiny no matter what happens. I just read in the news lately Ghana is purchasing oil with gold.

Grieved | Dec 1 2022 0:14 utc | 47

I appreciate your thoughtful post. As for the 3 points you brought up, one - buy it while price is being held down two - primary reason to have gold is to avoid currency crash, gold will never crash three - no they won't and I think there will always someone happy to accept shiny gold for goods, if not then it's probably the end...

You bring up good points about currency. I mistrust currency ever since the 2008 crash and seeing the rappers rapping about stacks of Euros instead of stacks of Dollas then seeing the Euro crash soon after. That was seeing history in the making and my main reasoning that converting a pension fund to gold is a good idea. Value will be retained no matter what happens to the USD. Thanks for reminding me about the quote from the entertainment biz!

Interesting ZH article about the rich Chinese moving their cash before a chunk is appropriated by the State Wealthy Chinese Activate Financial "Escape Plans" Terrified Of Xi's Coming Reign Of Terror, And Why This Is Good News For Bitcoin
Bank accounts in other countries is a better idea than bitcoin for sure.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2022 0:25 utc | 50

A relative has a bank account in Canada as a hedge against irresponsible US govt actions. Kind of makes sense but to me it's just another untrustful currency. The mountains and shores of Mexico with their food certainly has been beckoning. Thanks for giving me another reason to move there if it comes to that.

Posted by: Nathan in WA US | Dec 2 2022 6:00 utc | 137

China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson takes BBC producer to task over Fake News, Disinformation and Credibility 3.45m video

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 7:37 utc | 138

Caitlin Johnstone - her annual review

Every year around my birthday I've been tapping out an explanation of where I stand and what I'm trying to accomplish in this humble little slice of the digital universe here. As a crowdfunded writer it seems important to be fully transparent about what I'm doing and where I'm coming from so that people can decide on their own if my strange operation is something they care to support, and since my readership has grown a fair bit over the last year I figure I should repeat the yearly tradition.

In short, what you read in this space is an ongoing collaboration between myself and my husband Tim Foley geared toward awakening human consciousness and drawing humanity into my understanding of what a healthy world would look like. All the articles, essays, poems and notes you read here are pointed toward that agenda.

When asked to describe this project I often say "I write about the end of illusions," because from my point of view all of the major problems our species now faces are born of a misperception of what's really happening. On a collective level human behavior is being driven by propaganda and the systems it manufactures consent for, and on an individual level we're being driven by the delusion of ego.

From my point of view it's all just illusion, so I frequently swing in and out discussing illusion's large- and small-scale manifestations without breaking them up too much; that's why you'll see commentary on mass media manipulations intermingled with what look like spiritual or philosophical observations, often in the same essay. For me it's all one issue.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 7:46 utc | 139


On the topic of Malaysia: Unlike Singapore, which under the late Lee Kuan Yew managed to play both sides to their own benefit, Malaysia never escaped the yoke of Anglo imperialism.

(I am not Malaysian, nor have I been there, but I'm curious about something I have learned online, so for what it's worth) it has got me thinking:

Visiting the Wikipedia article for the Malaysian/Indonesian Latin alphabets, one thing I noticed was that, while both languages (or one language?) have a degree of consistency between spelling and pronunciation not seen in English, the names of the Latin letters are pronounced differently; in Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore the letter names for A, B, C,... are pronounced as e, bi, si... (the English way) whereas Indonesia opts for a, be, ce... (any other European language's way).
Who made the decision to name the letters the English way, and why? Does this continued Anglo imperialism have a hand in it?

Posted by: joey_n | Dec 2 2022 8:07 utc | 140

lol, Kanye West, dude went completely out of orbit, Zanon, probably to a planet near yours

"I like Hitler", poor bastard, now he's toast

Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Dec 2 2022 10:09 utc | 141

In other news, Edward Snowden took the oath and received a Russian passport, his lawyer Anatoly Kucherena said. President Putin gave Mr. Snowden citizenship at the end of September.


Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 2 2022 12:06 utc | 142

Hi, everyone!
Everyone knows how to read this blog, but I need instruction. I do read it without the "how to" knowledge, but feel clumsy. How blogs are organized? Never read about it. . . . If a commenter responds to another commenter 53 posts earlier . . . am I to scroll back that far, or even go to "previous page"? Apparently so. There is logic in this. A science. Blog organisation.
A permanent section should deal with this, teaching the uninitiated of how to move and behave. Or, how to start a better blog, with different navigation.

Posted by: LogosApplied | Dec 2 2022 12:27 utc | 143

Quid Me Vexare & James:
Thanks! I'm not a musician or musical and can only do the rare post when I find something that tickles. I'm just a weird old white guy who tends to listen to somewhat random "weird" music lol :)

I only found that brass group between that post and the previous one as I was trying to recharge my battery.

...and sometimes much less weird music too such as the album "Christian McBride & Inside Straight - Live at the Village Vanguard (2021)" (in my opinon an extremely nice jazz album) which is likely already well known to James and other jazz people here. Maybe the album "Steve Moore - Gone World (2021)" is also a "non-weird" example. It's not jazz but some sort of relaxing electronic music (everything is called "dance" and I never do), and not the same Steve Moore as all those other Steve Moore's. This Steve Moore sometimes reminds me of Kenji Kawai who probably sounds very different to other people (I like a lot of odd and not so odd Japanese music too but have trouble remembering names & songs (for anything anywhere)).

· · ·

People might these days be more used to highly structured and manicured versions of the "database" view of things (a heap of small parts linked and shifting dynamically on demand) and not the older more "flat file" kind of place such as this bar (more like a written page and essentially one giant "flat file" even if divided into chunks).

There's no real right and wrong, do what makes sense to you. Scrolling back and forth is needed sometimes.

One suggestion is to write your reply elsewhere like in a plain text document ("notepad") when you think you have something you want to say and then read on (or copy it here and preview it before posting if you can't wait). A copy of the timestamp of the comment or a quick quote of what you're talking about or responding to can be helpful if it is something very specific or a reply.

For example as you can see sometimes I do, sometimes I don't :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 2 2022 13:49 utc | 144

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has given his permission for the state oil company to negotiate and sign a contract with Chevron to resume pumping oil. Apparently the USA will release $3 billion in frozen (stolen?) Venezuelan funds. He also suggested there is a secret agreement with the USA.

Posted by: Chas | Dec 2 2022 16:48 utc | 145

@ circumspect | Dec 2 2022 4:44 utc | 136

wow - but that is very true! you would think they already do, but if appearances is anything to go by - they definitely don't..

@ Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 2 2022 13:49 utc | 145

i appreciate you sharing those earlier links! yes, very familiar with christian mcbride and have seen him live in vancouver too... steve moore gone world - listening to it now... it is electronica, done by someone who is into some aspects of jazz! i will tell you why i don't gravitate towards this type of music... it is typically played by one person like in this instance - steve moore does everything.. i think of music as communal.. musicians sharing their creativity with other musicians.. i view music as a social thing... when it is a one person thing, whether they are using loops in a live performance, or doing what steve is doing here - it just doesn't attract me.. i guess i am a bit square and conservative! of course one can do so much now with technology... maybe a better example of someone who is trying to bridge all of these gaps - a young person - jacob collier..

The Audience Choir in Singapore - group involvement!!

Don't You Worry 'Bout A Thing - Jacob Collier - the guy is amazing.. plays all the instruments and it is definitely technology driven - maybe not so much electronica because of all the singing, but there is elements of much in this... and he is interacting with himself, with i would say steve moore is doing the same thing - you just can't see it, because it is layering stuff in the studio and you just don't get to see it!

anyway - bottom line - i most dig musicians interacting with other musicians in a live improvised manner.. that is most exciting to me!

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2022 17:04 utc | 146

@ Chas | Dec 2 2022 16:48 utc | 146

thanks chas...

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2022 17:04 utc | 147

To add to the unwinding of the Assange debacle there is the posting below from Consortium News

Cryptome Founder Asks to Be Indicted With Assange

The headline

John Young, the founder of the Cryptome website, has asked the U.S. Justice Department to also indict him as he published un-redacted State Dept. files before WikiLeaks did, reports Joe Lauria.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2 2022 17:17 utc | 148

ZH has a posting up with the title

EU To Set $60 Price Cap On Russian Oil; Kremlin Vows To Ignore, Cut Supply

The quote

Russia Says Nyet
One day before the $60 decision, a Thursday press conference, Moscow threatened to ignore the price cap set by the West - saying they will continue to charge buyers regular prices. Those unwilling to pay will be cut off, according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at a Dec. 1 press conference reported by state news agency, Tass.

"We have no interest in what the price cap will be. We will reach direct agreements with our partners. The partners working with us will disregard these caps and will give no guarantees to those who impose such caps illegally," said Lavrov.

Russia, meanwhile, is looking for new buyers for its energy exports. According to Lavrov, they are courting nations such as Brazil, India, China, and South Africa (which together with Russia are the BRICS nations), along with allies such as Turkey.

"Every time we negotiate with China, India, Turkey and other big buyers of ours, there is an element of balancing interests in terms of time, volume, and prices," Lavrov added, before warning other states about the need to gravitate away from Western-dominated financial institutions.

"This is certainly an interesting development of events, which, among other things, sends a very powerful long-term signal to all states without exception … to consider abandoning the mechanisms imposed by the West within its globalization systems," he said, adding "However, decisions need to be mutual, between the producer and the buyer, rather than made by a guy wishing to punish someone."

"This is not about earning a bit more from selling our oil. It’s just that we need to start building a system independent from these neo-colonial methods. This is what we are doing together with BRICS colleagues and about a dozen other countries that wish to coordinate their efforts with BRICS," Lavrov continued (via the Epoch Times).

"We are doing so in the SCO and, clearly, in the EAEU, alongside bilateral relations with China, Iran, India, and other countries."

There was absolutely no reaction in crude prices to this 'deal' which probably tells you everything you need to know about the market's perception of the efficacy of it...

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2 2022 17:23 utc | 149

Glad to see my long post above finally appeared...I'd thought it was gone.

Posted by: David Levin | Dec 1 2022 16:29 utc | 116

Thanks for sharing that! Duly noted as it is certainly sensible and great to have on hand. Having steady supply of good food is definitely high priority

Posted by: Nathan in WA US | Dec 2 2022 18:03 utc | 150

I've been thinking more this afternoon about the Venezuela situation. If the USA abandons Guido it may be difficult for it to recognize Maduro as president because of the actions it has taken while it considers Guido president. For instance, IIRC the USA determined Alex Saab was not a legitimate diplomat because he wasn't appointed by Guido. And Guido has been given control of other external Venezuelan assets like the fertilizer company based in Columbia. And while the UK may abandon Guido, it can't recognize Maduro as the legitimate president because then it would have to return Venezuela's gold, which it may have already spent. What a tangled web we weave.

Posted by: Chas | Dec 2 2022 19:46 utc | 151

@ Chas | Dec 2 2022 19:46 utc | 152

legally speaking, i am not sure how the usa pulls out of this pickle.. they want to world to go along with this while they are negotiating with maduro?? something doesn't add up! well maybe they justify it all based on doing the contracts with Venezuela’s state oil company PDVSA and they aren't involving maduro.... where is this guiado fellow now? do you know? is he still inside venezuala? reading that article you linked down to the bottom, it is very sickening what the usa is doing here... i am not surprised either..

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2022 20:00 utc | 152

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2022 20:00 utc | 153

Where's Guido is a good question james. Last I saw of him was on a video where he walked into a room full of people, I think it was at a restaurant, and the people became incensed at him. They hit him and spit on him and he had to run for his life. He must be holed up in his presidential palace. His world seems to be crashing. It should be interesting watching Guido leave and whether Biden recognizes Maduro.

Posted by: Chas | Dec 2 2022 21:30 utc | 153

Posted by: james | Dec 2 2022 20:00 utc | 153

Where in the world in Carmen San DiegoJuan Gerardo Guaidó? A found this answer:

"All of the previous games in the series are only still playable thanks to preservationists; and even then, there are a few later installments that might be lost forever," no game can last forever but it can be lost forever.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 2 2022 22:18 utc | 154

I've been thinking more this afternoon about the Venezuela situation. If the USA abandons Guido it may be difficult for it to recognize Maduro as president because of the actions it has taken while it considers Guido president. For example....

Posted by: Chas | Dec 2 2022 19:46 utc | 152

The examples assume, wrongly in my updated opinion, that mundane concerns over money matter to the leading democracies. Ha! The river of money lost and spend because of the stands on Ukraine show that this is not the case. Sometimes particularly blatant disregard of budget matters can cause a change in PM (particularly innumerate Liz Truss), so we might think otherwise, but that ONLY if it does not involving the conflict with THINGS THAT MATTER.

Which is saving face. It took some time for the Holy See to reconsider the punishment of Galileo Galilei, the pope in charge was long gone and the doctrine became gradually more sophisticated. Things go faster now, but anathema proclaimed on Venezuelan government is still less than 100 years old, so to early to change it. Previously, Venezuela was offered the right (!!??) to use money from oil sales to pay debt, I am not sure what are the new, perhaps creative proposals are.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 2 2022 22:58 utc | 155

@ LogosApplied | Dec 2 2022 12:27 utc | 144

Everyone has developed their own style for following conversations here. What works for me is to open several or more pages for one OP or open thread, reading through one while using the other(s) to locate the referred-to posts. This minimizes scrolling while maintaining my reading place on the thread.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 2 2022 23:49 utc | 156

ZH has a posting up with the title

Elon Musk Releases THE TWITTER FILES: How Twitter Collaborated With "The Biden Team" To Cover Up The Hunter Notebook Story

The opening quote

In a greatly anticipated Friday night drop of what has was expected to be a cache of information involving the censoring of Hunter Biden's notebook story days ahead of the 2020 presidential election, moments ago Elon Musk - who worked in collaboration with the notoriously independent gonzo journalist Matt Taibbi of "Vampire Squid" fame - has published the "Twitter Files."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2022 0:21 utc | 157

Most interesting news.

One Alec Jones just like James Okeefe from "Project (tell lies often) Veritas" has had a rather expensive lesson. THE USSA-FREE SPEECH AMENDMENT DOES NOT PROTECT ONESELF FROM THE LIBEL and SLANDER LAWS! A sad case of you asking for what you get and getting what you ask for!

In other news, it seems that the so call mostly whites-only-based loyalist "Trump for the too old to be a Prez in 2024" supporters. Have grave difficulty in differentiating the basic difference between a company and the actual man. See Trump Corporation Versus New York tax fraud trial. For in reality, the company is on trial, not the man.

Also spotted in the daily audience were several senior IRS tax fraud audit investigation staff. Does one wonder who will be served with a fresh federal IRS income audit? When the trial is finalized by the closing legal summation arguments.

The reader/troll/realist/denial comments on the NY Post's coverage of the trial. Is a highly amusing case of spreading "Horse Hockey around" with zero fact-based support evidence. ;)

On the downside for the illustrious "DJT". He no longer has the official and tacit support of Rupert ("the kingmaker") Murdoch either. Truly interesting times.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Dec 3 2022 1:39 utc | 158

@ Chas | Dec 2 2022 21:30 utc | 154

thanks chas.. i saw that video of him running for life in the restaurant.. it was quite the video - chairs flying and etc. etc. i get the impression he is still in venezuala as the leader of the opposition.. i could be wrong, but reading around, that is what it looks like...

@ Piotr Berman | Dec 2 2022 22:18 utc | 155

"no game can last forever, but it can be lost forever"... i like that piotr! i hope it applies here with the guaido character...

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2022 2:42 utc | 159

Tucker Carlson: Twitter was permanently censoring users at the request of the DNC and Biden


Matt Taibbi's Twitter Files peel back the curtain on moderation bias at social media platform
Elon Musk's Twitter is pulling back the moderation kimono tonight, with the first set of Twitter Files being posted by Matt Taibbi to the social platform.

The more major stories you break of consequence, the more employees of media corporations hate you. It's why they want Julian Assange jailed.
These guys are furious at Taibbi, but none of them can actually point to anything he is doing wrong. He is revealing details about an important event using primary sources. There is no evidence he is distorting anything. He's doing journalism and they are mad about it.

Tucker Carlson and @ggreenwald discuss Twitter’s suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story

In case you missed it there were all up 4 Biden laptops found with data..... the guy is a goose. But that is another story.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 5:04 utc | 160

fyi - quip of the week :):):)
Will Schryver @imetatronink

Vladimir Putin's purported commentary today on Germany's defeat at the World Cup:

"I think they ran out of gas."
From the Brazilian twitter

"i think Germany didn't have enough gas in this world cup".

Justice prevailed and Germany is out :D

Posted by: michaelj72 | Dec 3 2022 5:41 utc | 161

“Like the conquistadors, we must invent a new world,” @JosepBorrellF said to Latin American officials.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 3 2022 9:27 utc | 162

“Like the conquistadors, we must invent a new world,” @JosepBorrellF said to Latin American officials.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 3 2022 9:27 utc | 162

The mentality of people like him and his social group will not change. The mistake they make is that ever once in a while they open their mouths and let the cat out of the bag as to how they think.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 3 2022 9:46 utc | 163

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 3 2022 9:46 utc | 163

This video is an appropriate addition to my comment above.

"Born Rich Jamie Johnson Johnson & Johnson"

Posted by: Tom_12 | Dec 3 2022 9:48 utc | 164

Summing it all up so a child could understand:

West buys expensive energy, East buys cheap energy.

Ramifications and Conclusion: self-evident.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Dec 3 2022 13:42 utc | 165

Young Canadian scholar Cynthia Chung tells us about the history of the infamous ‘defense’ organization currently waging operation Senseless Sacrifice in the borderlands. Recommend.

“Operation Gladio: NATO’s Secret War for International Fascism”
December 01, 2022
By Cynthia Chung


I also recommend her article, “Gaslighting: The Psychology of Shaping Another’s Reality or How Mass Perception is Manufactured,” published recently at The Canadian Patriot. As noted earlier by Grieved, “gaslighting” was chosen by Merriam-Webster as its most searched word of the year. I find Chung mostly brilliant.

Posted by: suzan | Dec 3 2022 17:18 utc | 166

b might not like the length of this quote but it's from Mercola's latest which requires registration. This is just one section therefrom reporting the view of Lt Col Dr Theresa Long, a whistleblower. As with everything these days, of course she could be spreading disinformation. The earlier part of the article discusses the fibrous clots in some detail, including some objections raised to the recent 'Died Suddenly' film on the internet.

Something Beyond Catastrophic Is Happening

As noted by Lt. Col. Dr. Theresa Long, a U.S. Army flight surgeon and whistleblower, insurance companies predict that if something truly catastrophic occurred in the U.S., we could expect a 10% increase in all-cause mortality.

In the third quarter of 2021, OneAmerica, a national mutual life insurance company based in Indianapolis, reported that the all-cause death rate of working-age Americans (18 to 64) was 40% higher than prepandemic levels, and these deaths are not related to COVID-19.5

As noted by Long, no modeling or calculations have ever been done to account for such a massive increase in all-cause mortality. "It's apocalyptic," she says.

In her career as an Army flight surgeon, she also has never before seen such a litany of health problems among soldiers. After the rollout of the COVID shots, soldiers started having strokes, heart attacks, myocarditis, rapid onset cancer, multiple sclerosis, cognitive impairment, miscarriages and much more, at unprecedented rates.

Long suspects that the COVID shots were developed as a lethal weapon, and that they're doing exactly what they were designed to do. She fears the United States won't have a standing army five years from now, thanks to the effects of these shots, which were forced onto every rank within the military.

Army Data Reveal Shocking Truth
When Long's concerns were ignored, she, along with Lt. Col. Dr. Peter Chambers, another Army whistleblower, contacted attorney Thomas Renz. They shared with him data from the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED), one of the most well-kept and most heavily-relied upon medical databases in the world.

The data showed that, compared to the previous five-year averages, miscarriages were up 279% among Department of Defense (DOD) personnel in 2021, breast cancer went up 487%, nervous system disorders 1,048%, male infertility 350%, female infertility 471%, ovarian dysfunction 437%. The list goes on.

As noted by Renz during U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson's "COVID-19: A Second Opinion" panel (see video below):7

"The Whistleblower data, this DMED database, has provided a control group of sorts. It's military records dating back several years that supply medical codes for various medical issues that our military face such as cancers, miscarriages, neurological disorders etc.

These records provided by three military doctors … show a historical baseline of what the health of the American military was like before 2021, the year the COVID vaccine was released. What you see is quite disturbing.

From 2016 to 2020 all variations of medical conditions stay consistent. But in 2021, when the variable of the vaccine is mandated, the spike in cancers, miscarriages, infertility, you name it, jumps by factors of hundreds to thousands of percent.

Let me be crystal clear. These vaccines are injuring and sometimes even killing our military and those in the public that are buying the 'safe and effective' marketing. These numbers prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt."


If the gist of this Colonel's report is mainly true, then some of the notions flying around of this being a form of biowarfare ring true. Except that most likely it is not an American-vs-China or China-vs-America attack, rather a globalista-vs-RoW with RoW including everyone, Americans just as much in the crosshairs (if not more?) as Russians or Chinese. And if THIS is somewhat correct, then the elites in all the major countries are pulling a fast one on populations in all the major countries.

I still very much like Karlof1's general interpretive thrust which largely features a Noble Russia (with symbiotic ally China & BRIC+ etc.) against the Outlaw US Empire headed by Evil Parasites, however I think we are mistaken to regard 'America,' 'Russia' and 'China' as discrete entities with relatively straightforward natures conforming to historical understanding. There are factions within factions and global networks interlaced throughout all. The whole world has become a Spy vs Spy comedic tragedy.

Meanwhile, as Col Long reports, far too many are dying - and not from whether or not strict lock-down protocols were followed.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 19:42 utc | 167

the link to above article:

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 19:44 utc | 168

via my buddy's site, a very short article by Dr. McCollough about ivermectin results including a (iii) footnoted link to Telegram video showing the fight one family had to give their dying father the medicine and it's rapid positive outcome.

The substack article:


By Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH

The past three years have generated millions of case vignettes of patients with COVID-19 respiratory illness. The most dramatic cases include critically ill inpatients with severe hypoxemia despite maximum respiratory support. By far, the most notable cases of survival have occurred with the administration of ivermectin. Former NIH researcher David Scheim, PhD, early in the pandemic proposed that SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein was acting like a grappling hook pulling together circulating red blood cells into long chains and clumps in a process called hemagglutination. This explained why the red blood cells could not carry oxygen normally and was congruent with the finding of micro blood clots in the lungs. Recently, Boschi et al have provided additional support for this mechanism.[i] In a spectacular publication, Stone et al, describes the prompt improvement of oxygenation in patients with ivermectin.[ii]
The published oxygenation curves from multiple studies clearly show this physiological effect of ivermectin occurs so rapidly, it must be explained by a direct anti-Spike protein effect of ivermectin. An anonymous video of a critically ill man demonstrates the very effect that Scheim, Stone, Hazan, and Babalola have described in the Figure.[iii] So for the next critically ill patient with COVID-19, if the opportunity presents itself, push for the administration of ivermectin. This is the only published therapy for COVID-19 that improves oxygen saturation while the patient mounts a recovery. As in this man, it may be the critical factor for a turnaround and a chance to walk out of the hospital.

The Telegram video shows the article I was looking for yesterday referencing 84 studies on ivermectin. It is now 93 studies from 1,014 doctors at

Those who keep insisting there's 'no evidence' about it should consider following the science instead of GloboCap shills in the MSM. It doesn't cure everyone, especially already those far gone and on ventilators with remdesivir in ICU's (though apparently larger doses make a difference) but it is highly effective as a prophylactic taken regularly so that it remains in the system. HCQ works similarly apparently.

What is especially of interest here is not only the potential to save more lives, but the fact that the US and many European healthcare providers deliberately suppressed the use of these medicines, most likely in order to provide Emergency Use authorization for the experimental 'Warp Speed' mRNA products all of which from different companies miraculously arose in record speed within 9 months of the outbreak instead of the usual 10+ years. If the shots cause harm and do not prevent spread and infection as initially claimed whereas cheap prophylactics prevent infection or at least illness from infection, then blocking their use is a crime perpetrated by our governments and health care providers.

More evidence of our overall civilizational collapse and/or deliberate Reset shenanigans (which is the same thing).

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 21:22 utc | 169

I hesitate to post this, but:
The WEF's senior advisor explains that most people are useless- in the eyes of the self elected masters of the Universe- and keeping them entertained or drugged into cheerfulness, is not only expensive but boring.
It speaks volumes for the kindliness of the masses that people like Harari move unscathed through the great crowds of those that they sentence to death.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 3 2022 21:27 utc | 170

Long and interesting comment from a Taiwanese resident only identified as 'JT' on recent Duran YT episode

Too long to reproduce here in full, but here's a snippet. I've saved the full text in case the comment is removed, if b wants it for research, he has my email address:

By now, hope you are convinced that President Tsai did not receive a PhD from LSE in 1983. Why does it matter to you and me? because if WWIII happens all of us will be dead. Let me explain the relaionship. In 2019, during the initial thesis gate, Tsai was having problem explaining this. Then suddenly she received full endorsement from US and shut down all critics and oppositions, everyone knows that Tsai made a deal with the US government. Since then, Tsai has become US puppet and Taiwan become a vassal state under US control and protection. This is particularly evident in the law suit in London, there is no reason why LSE is willing to risk its academic credibility to protect a criminal who claim to receive fake PhD from LSE. What are the consequences then. Taiwan had since purchased over $20B of weapons and racket up its anti China rhetoric, creating tension across the Taiwan strait. US government officials, senators and congressmen past or present visiting Taiwan all the times and bringing the shopping list that Taiwan needs to fulfill. Taiwan even has to buy Lithuanian goods during the trade row between Lithuania and china. Taiwan just announced that it will purchse 20 Boing 787 which Taiwan does not need. The media in Taiwan calls it a price to pay for the Taiwan Policy Act since this deal is demanded by Lindsay Graham during his visit to Taiwan few months ago. The thesis gate is not only a national security issue for Taiwan but also a security threat to world peace. I am sure under US order, Tsai will start a conflict with China. The only way to stop this is to dethrone her, she is called queen in Taiwan since she has full control over Taiwan. She shutdown the most popular TV news channel in Taiwan without any major resistance, this is like Biden shut down FOX News. This really shows her control over the media and everything in Taiwan. there is no way to fight her in Taiwan. The best way is the court fight in London to get to the bottom of the truth and even more important is that we need prominent news coverage on this issue.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 3 2022 21:46 utc | 171


The biggest problem I see with your posts is that you are arguing what are essentially US internal political dichotomies in a place that doesn't care all that much and you are projecting US political memes onto the ROW eg "jews"

The rest of the world doesn't care what you believe relative to their medicine or politics as it is entirely irrelevant. Ivermectin is only a political football in the US, literally nowhere else (maybe junior US of Canada)

Yes its a very useful drug that is easy to get in most of the world and we just don't care.

America collapsing is not overall civilisational collapse ya gotta be kidding right?

What is does mean is that real civilisations may get a chance to thrive.

Your posts are repetitious and tone deaf to the Bar.
There are times that I picture you feverishly googling info to discredit anyone who counters your position, then i actually feel sorry for you

Posted by: K | Dec 3 2022 21:52 utc | 172

By the Psycho.

I want to do a shout out to the techies in the bar to come up with a script that can rip these threads and show the volume of textual gibberish that barfly Scorpion spews on the floor in relation to others spewers like SeanAU.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 3 2022 2:00 utc | 232

First, why not cry me a river Psycho?

There already is a very handy Script. It's called the "MOA Block User Script"

Been using it to cull you and your friends' agnotologist gibberish and your non-stop shit ignorant cognitively biased spewing for months now. Including "He Who Never Sleeps Outraged" aka "The Emotional Volcano." and many other self-appointed "celebrities" - legends in their own mind - (shrug)

Get a Room Psycho and indulge your self-righteous arrogant haughty ungrateful Twat!

Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators. Stones and Glasshouses.....

[ PS Don't get too excited, sometimes blocked people's comments show up when I do a MoA search for something else. Now back to a room without the clanging of empty saucepans ]

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 3 2022 21:57 utc | 173

There are times that I picture you feverishly googling info to discredit anyone who counters your position, then i actually feel sorry for you

Posted by: K | Dec 3 2022 21:52 utc | 172

Never done once. Your projections getting out of hand again. I haven't projected anything about K. Not worth the effort.

I rarely offer positions here, more like questions and doubts. And sometimes I share information from various sources because they raise questions and doubts. They are usually the ones with positions, not me. You chaps have positions! But you don't like to spell them out, you just like ad hominems. Like your post above. No issue raised whatsoever. Nada. Zip. Zilch!

Although I did today offer a very clear position to psycho namely: the belief that mind is an epiphenomenon of the brain is an absurd, long ago disproven, superstition.

And, no, I didn't get it from Google (which I don't use). I rarely form opinions from searches or articles. I try to form my own. Don't you?

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 3 2022 22:09 utc | 174

Get a Room Psycho and indulge your self-righteous arrogant haughty ungrateful Twat!

Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators. Stones and Glasshouses ...

Marvelous counterpoint, one sentence following on directly after the other.

The promoted malware with a block script that either does not work or clearly is not used ... sigh

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 3 2022 22:36 utc | 175

It's about to kick off in Brazil.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Dec 3 2022 22:52 utc | 176

you just like ad hominems

Oh, like this ?

Rinky dinky denky troll is back, obsessed as usual with Western MSM lies....
as if it's some sort of great insight that western MSM tells them...

Of course it's beyond rinky dinky denky troll's scope of imagination to consider the possibility that his hero CPC crew tell the occasional lie because we all know that everything they say is totally true and pure and clean and trustworthy.

And anyone who disagrees is worthy of insult on b's board which rinky dinky trolly denk apparently regards as his own!

Does not use Google ? Yet suggests contemptuously others 'learn' to use it ?

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 3 2022 22:53 utc | 177

@175 people with a functioning mind and an ability to see past their own nose for longer than a nano-second totally understand the points being made. Counts Sir Dufus Dunderhead out of the picture.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 0:58 utc | 178

Scorpion | 174

I have no intention to referee your arguments, disagreements, but would simply like to make the "technical" point that what K said is not generally considered an ad hominem attack. He specifically was addressing "your posts" that is the content of them, not you personally, he did not use any approbation, and at the end he expressed his "feelings" about he "imagined". That's quite different than what psycho did, fwiw and imho.

Now whether his appraisal of you posts are correct or not is besides the point and another matter entirely. That could be argued in a debate, because it is merely his own "personal opinions" on the matter. Hardly a hill worth dying for.

Cheers to both of you. :-)

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 1:06 utc | 179

malware with a block script that either does not work or clearly is not used ^ Proof ^

Always with, widely salted throughout, targeted ad-hominems ... rather sad. :(

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 4 2022 1:09 utc | 180

Blocked again. Can't read it.


Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 1:13 utc | 181

Blocked again. Can't read it.


How very, very rude. LOL. At least learn to use HTML tags given your prodigious Spam .

Did you not state you loathed the bar & were exiting, stage left. Instead you salt every single thread, especially dead ones, with ad-hominem. Responding to a post you claim you don't & cannot read ? As the brits, masters of understatement would say, what a total tosser.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 4 2022 1:25 utc | 182

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 1:06 utc | 179

Fair point.
Let me rephrase then: She didn't make any real point to add to a discussion but was just discussing Scorpion's posting style. So you're right it's not an ad hominem per se - though she has made many such in the past - but...

Well done Outraged. You caught my blatant ad hominem but you didn't get the irony.

Oh well...

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 2:04 utc | 183

Below is a ZH posting title I have mixed feelings about.

I want the strike to happen to stop, for any length of time, the vomit of lies coming from the bowels of the NYT but the peon suffering is not to my taste.

1,000 New York Times Employees Threaten To Strike Next Week

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 4 2022 2:09 utc | 184

Did you not state you loathed the bar & were exiting, stage left. Instead you salt every single thread, especially dead ones, with ad-hominem. Responding to a post you claim you don't & cannot read ? As the brits, masters of understatement would say, what a total tosser.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 4 2022 1:25 utc | 182

I didn't say I 'loathed' the bar. I did loath people like you insulting me in it, yes. And also regretted posting too often a couple of weeks ago I think. Last week I only contributed to a few threads leaving many alone entirely. Then yesterday I think I contributed more because the Chinese thing interests me (am trying to get a read on that country though Denk seems to think I am dead set against and backing the Evil Empire or some such total rubbish). So I posted a little too much.

But I am truly baffled that someone thinks I have ruined the joint, the worst in 8-10 years. I see many people here posting long and frequent posts. I see many disagreements and hurling of troll accusations. I don't see that I'm all that terrible except a few whiners don't like my stuff for whatever reason. Some do and ask questions or respond and I respond back.

Again, I think my main crime is writing too many words. Sorry. I grew up in England and we were trained for O and A levels to write like maniacs, something like thirty pages an hour or some such and I still write that way. My bad.

But I think some of the people protesting have mental disorders that they get so razzled by someone's posts on an internet board.

Relax. I find this stuff interesting (obviously). You seem to take yourself and your posts way too seriously. I scroll past yours too since there are often so many, and quite long, and you are impolite. Who wants to read what obsessive impolite people say?

And if you don't like mine, don't read them! Very easy. And you'll live longer.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 2:11 utc | 185

An exquisite paragraph from the estimable Orlov's latest on the Saker site:

"Then came the news that Aeroflot is planning to buy over 300 new passenger jets, all Russian МС-21s, SSJ-100s and Tu-214s, all before 2030, with the first deliveries slated for 2023. There has been a scramble to replace almost all Western-sourced components, such as composites for the carbon fiber wing of the MC-21 and jet engines, avionics and much else for all of the above. Over this period many of the previously leased Boeings and Airbuses will be phased out, but these companies’ market share in the largest country on Earth will be gone forever. Damage to Western aircraft manufacturers will be matched by the damage to Western airlines. At the outset of hostilities, the collective West closed its airspace to Russia, and Russia reciprocated. The problem is that Europe is small and easy to fly around while Russia is huge and flying around it takes a whole day. European airlines suddenly found that theу can’t compete on routes to Japan, China or Korea."


Oh the irony!

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 2:27 utc | 186

@ Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 2:11 utc | 185

WTF ? What on earth are you going on about ? Mental disorders ?

You are ranting in reply to some other poster perhaps ? In response to my post, as if it was addressed to you ? A post specifically in response to Sean-UA. Who blocks thru his malware software script list, & therefore does not read them, yet routinely makes multiple replies to 'blocked unread posts'. Am so very confused.

If you scroll past, why this dross ? And always, always with embedded explicit multiple ad-hominem. Lol.

Is your content what 'you' consider 'Polite' ? Remarkable!

Is this a tag-team effort now ? Good Grief Charlie Brown re-read what you wrote. You two should rent a room, perhaps. Sad. Quite sad :(

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 4 2022 2:43 utc | 187

@ Scorpion #167 and 169

"If the gist of this Colonel's report is mainly true, then some of the notions flying around of this being a form of biowarfare ring true. Except that most likely it is not an American-vs-China or China-vs-America attack, rather a globalista-vs-RoW with RoW including everyone, Americans just as much in the crosshairs (if not more?) as Russians or Chinese. And if THIS is somewhat correct, then the elites in all the major countries are pulling a fast one on populations in all the major countries."

America and it's vassals are the globalist's Scorpion, not the rest of the world. Only america has stated they want full spectrum dominance over every one else. Karlof1 reminds us of that often, as well he should. America is the only country to not be compliant with bio weapons and has been using them regularly since ww2. Proof is now spilling out in declassified documents that america attacked north Korea, with bio weapons during that conflict. Further however, is both the avian flu and the swine flues of yesteryear were quite possibly bio weapons directed at the Chinese and the likelihood the Chinese covid 19 virus was a lot deadlier than the one passed around the usa The Chinese, who'd been developing vaccines against covid diseases for more than ten years had every reason to fear the worst. America, otoh, has been making patents on various drugs for covid vaccines that've been killing rats and canines for more than two decades and making big bucks doing so. Now america appears to be killing off its population and their offspring in amazing numbers, something the globalists had been rumored to be considering for decades. Are you seeing these calamities occurring in Russia, or China let alone Africa, or the Palestinians who weren't allowed the jewish supply. No, tho they do have problems with americans in about every other evil way.

If you would read the comments here other than the ones directed at you, i believe you'd learn neither China, nor Russia are like anglo saxons in any way, whatsoever. Completely different civilizations that you'd be better for understanding many things, if you can get past your delusions from past erroneous presumptions about the two.

"Those who keep insisting there's 'no evidence' about it should consider following the science instead of GloboCap shills in the MSM. It doesn't cure everyone, especially already those far gone and on ventilators with remdesivir in ICU's (though apparently larger doses make a difference) but it is highly effective as a prophylactic taken regularly so that it remains in the system. HCQ works similarly apparently."

Ivermectin cures covid 19 and HCQ was quite effective against it too. However, covid 19 is gone, doesn't exist except in mutants that those two drugs are likely less effective against, altho i haven't seen research suggesting it either way? The covid 19 virus is dead they only last so long, so taking ivermectin as a prophylactic is a waste of time and could conceivably cause you complications if you experience a parasite, who's not a member of the rentier class, somewhere down the road ivermectin might still be able to defeat it. They do say that it may not be effective against future flues and viruses. For this up coming flu season the FLCCC are recommending Nitazoxanide 600 mg taken twice a day for six days, at the onset of either the flu, RSV, or a covid mutant. However, big pharma is way ahead and now charge more than one hundred dollars a tablet wholesale. Dr. Marik of FLCCC states that it costs about thirty one cents a pill to produce the generic drug. Healthcare in america is literally on the ventilator gasping for breath.

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Dec 4 2022 2:44 utc | 188

@ aye, myself & me | Dec 4 2022 2:44 utc | 188 with the Covid/Ivermectin update....thanks.

I still have enough Ivermectin from my Covid experience a year ago to cover me through whatever I might get hit with this winter and it will be my goto unless I read better advice if/when the time comes.

Are we surprised about the Nitazoxanide markup? I keep wanting to repurpose the R2P acronym to expand to Rape to Protect which represents a clear result of the financialization of our health care system

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 4 2022 3:19 utc | 189

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Dec 4 2022 2:44 utc | 188

Thxs. Great post.
1. Your perception of my preconceptions about China and Russia, like so many here, is simply wrong. I simply am not ready yet to trust them, that's all. I have grave doubts - doubts not solid opinions - about China, and guarded admiration for Russia. Have been a fan of Putin for a long time now, indeed he is the only politician in the world I have positive feelings for and have regarded many of his speeches since the early 2000's as the best of any politician in generations. And I still feel that way. And I greatly appreciate karlof1's posts but am not fully on board with his narrative. This is not out of disrespect nor out of cliche views about Russia and China.

Let me summarize my perspective. First it's more of an open question than a fixed view. Simply, it seems to me that there are globally coordinated series of events in play which belie the US Outlaw Empire vs the RoW narrative alone. That narrative is surely playing out, no question, as karlof1 explains often here so very well. But I just don't happen to think it's the only skein.

Another big theme is a general one-world technicity developing. The responses to covid including medicine suppression and mRNA-shot rapid delivery with mandates were clearly internationally coordinated. Then immediately following that the sweeping sanctions drama unfolded world wide in a matter of days following February 24th also clearly because it was long in the making on both sides and thus internationally coordinated. This is why I don't find terms like America, Russia and China as clear as they used to be.

What you say about the evils of America sounds about right to me. Certainly it's been my working assumption for decades now. However, I don't think 'America' is 'America' any more. And if you're talking about the American elites I'm not sure if they are all Americans or indeed anything else. They are into a new para nation-state world. And they are in all major polities including for sure China, possibly not so much Russia.

The clear world wide thrust towards authoritianism/totalitarianism is alarming. All developed nations have recently announced they are looking into digital currencies, digital ID's, social credit. And the WHO and UN just announced vaccine passports may be mandatory for all world travel which, if ratified, means we will finally have a centralized world government in the making. Probably climate will be next requiring global taxation (without representation).

This is NOT only the work of the US Empire is it since China is front and center in all WHO stuff as is the RoW. This is why I'm not on board with the US Empire being the only evil in the mix. I find the narrative too simplistic but am not against the sentiment.

Sincerely, I think many of us are trapped by habit and custom in old nation-state thinking, since we all grew up in such polities, so that when I express doubts or questions about the 'globalista' agenda you think I am backing the US against the RoW and thus some sort of retarded MSM regugitating US-loving troll. That's not where am coming from in the slightest.

Lastly, am not trying to push my view on others, merely raising doubts and questions. So I think those who feel disgusted or threatened by such questions may be having doubts themselves about their own views. Or maybe have overly rigid views which feel hostile to differing views. Some of these issues are difficult and no doubt I lack expressive powers so have been misleading, hence the irritation, but also some need to check their own attitudes. There really is no reason to get so upset by someone's post except something one is carrying around oneself is getting its buttons pushed. Examine those buttons. Always valuable lessons in doing that.

I believe most of us should be having more doubts about their views generally right now. If there is one thing most could agree on here, it is that these are not easy times to read. Alot about the recent covid business, which you say is over but I don't think so yet given what's happening with rapidly accelerating all-cause death rates which happened starting in 2021, contains no end of contradictions and loose ends which I won't go into. Many, including many Russians, feel the same about the current Ukraine operation. (Why does Russia keep supplying gas to some German armament companies for example, and many other issues that raise questions.)

The ivermectin issue I brought up (because a couple of things were published today) is not about ivermectin per se, rather about internationally coordinated government corruption. How can such things be internationally coordinated? How can so many nations come to the same false conclusions and instigate similar harmful practices? This is not about medicine or science but politics and what is says about nation states. Mexico City did a large ivermectin study in the fall of 2020 and got very favorable results. And yet the doctors here have not been told to prescribe it. Why not? No press coverage about the issue at all (but then journalists get killed here a lot so...) Is it international pressure/collusion? Or what? We don't know. There are so many things like this on so many fronts where we just don't know. I envy those of you with such clear, solid opinions. Sorry, I'm just not there yet. Too many unknowns and variables. (Don't you agree?)

Somebody above criticizing my views is projecting that I am totally concerned about America as if America is the civilization. No, I mean Western civilization in todo of which America is a leading polity right now but certainly not the only one. I'm talking the disappearence of common law (and it's near equivalents in Grund Gesetz and Code Napoleon). Sovereignty. Privacy. Private property possibly. Possessions possibly. Freedom of religion possibly. I'm talking the end of Christianity-based common culture in the West. The American Republic fell with JFK long ago but it only became blatantly obvious with the 2020 election and the Jan 6th false flag 'insurrection.' It's most likely a good thing that a phony Republic falls, but that Republic is just a political vehicle for a population to live together within. Can that population fashion a better polity together? Or will what comes after be much, much worse? And of course where goes America there goes most of Western Europe? Are they post republics or kingdoms (aka nation states)? My concern is about people not US Empire.

Putin says the Europeans are all vassal states to the Big Dog America. I think that's a fair take. Certainly de facto if not de jure. So the fall of America is a big deal because it does - I believe - involve the fall of Western civilization as such.

That is no small matter. But my concern is not out of jingoistic loyalty to a Republic I feel has been fake for decades now. If that is what you are imagining you are entirely wrong. If you think I hate Russia because they are anti-capitalist communists or some such you are wrong. I regard both capitalism and communism as two-bit materialist phony pseudo-scientific and largely Jewish conceptual overlays over badly run materialist-based modern societies. I couldn't care less about either. I only care about people and cultures.

To my mind Russia is the only European/Western polity still standing as such in any clear and forthright way. If I were younger I'd move there in a heartbeat though really I should visit first! China's size and centralized form of government gives me pause but I don't pretend to know enough about it to have a formed opinion. I admire the roots of their culture greatly but have no feel for the modern country. I don't like how they are so tight with UN and WHO et alia because I don't like those organizations in principle and think they do more harm than good especially given how tight they are with woke ideology, WEF, the Green Agenda, 2030 and all that (IMO) garbage. This opinion has nothing to do with the US. It's just a personal opinion about supranational unelected bodies. For the same exact reason I believe the EU does more harm than good.

Ok. Too long again. Sorry, cannot write any other way! Thanks again for your post. Most enjoyable. And I do read all others, though of course I am now responding to posts directed at me.

@outraged, yes, I misread. Sorry. There were a cluster of posts to me and I didn't scroll the little window I'm looking through up far enough to see yours was different. You've laid into me before in the past so there ya go.

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 3:37 utc | 190

PS I take back the remark about Russia supplying gas to German armament manufacturers. I saw that in an article somewhere last week and it made me sit up but I never researched it further and on reading it above find it somewhat implausible. But the main point in that paragraph stands: there are many questions about the SMO. One: why are the European States, especially Germany, pursuing policies obviously so bad for their entire nation threatening to send them back decades and without any public debate whatsoever? How can such a thing happen in a free and independent democracy? Dozens of such questions, hundreds....

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 3:53 utc | 191

You've laid into me before in the past so there ya go.
Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 3:37 utc | 190

It's a bear trap that is triggered without warning. No one is immune.

There is no vaccine either. :-)

" And I greatly appreciate karlof1's posts but am not fully on board with his narrative. This is not out of disrespect nor out of cliche views about Russia and China. "

Yes. Disagreeing with a a persons opinions, theme or constant slants/personal biases is not about disrespect. It's about straight forward disagreement and saying so. It's just that some folks consider some are untouchables no matter what... no what they say that doesn't add up or is not in fact true as they described it. C'est la vie.

imho America is not evil per se. More accurate to describe it as Toxic. Everything and everyone it touches gets infected and requires some degree of cleansing after contact.

"How can such things be internationally coordinated? "

And yet not automatically be about Govt corruption? Easily!
- Urban planning (eg) is the same almost the world over. They talk to each other, urban planners, architects, govt bureaucrats at symposiums, conferences, trade fares whatever - they read the same academic papers, they share with each other and then adopt what is known as best practice. Those " practices" are then advised to Govt depts ( Ministers/Secretaries) and thne and enshrined as new Laws and Regulations are written to adopt those practices in each nations - with slight nuances for local conditions/values.

So take Public Health the world over and research how that works. It is not a conspiracy, it's best practices shared among professionals the world over. Best practice includes looking at and adopting Guidelines and Recommendations put out by the top tier / UN bodies, eg the WHO.

Nations do their own due diligence and checks, they consider global advice and then develop, regularly revise and test their own MANUALS for a National Response to Pandemic Procedures .... all under the Govts of the day ... but partisan guff of which party is in power rarely gets involved at this level of Govt Public Service levels.

Politicians do not have a clue to they take the professional advice usually, maybe have a inquiry but typically all Govts sign off on what the professional highly trained experts who are informed by Global Best practice suggest they do ... IT is not a conspiracy. It is simply how things work on every subject overseen by Govts .. from schooling to roads, to fisheries, to mining practices to forestry to health care.

When as it eventually happens some crisis arises and the news media and special interests are all over an issue then and only then do the politicians get seriously involved - but they do not have clue they're being advised what to say and told what the problem is by the "bureaucrats" in their dept. The people who WROTE the Manual of how to do things best.

It truly is NOT a Conspiracy of extreme authoritarianism/totalitarianism that Ivermectin was not written into The Manual - National Response to Pandemic Procedures for treating Viral Pandemics Globally .... it simply never reached the High Bar Set in the 5-10 years before in regard to the accepted consensus professional expert opinion of what was effective as a national response tool .... that is all there is too it.

For Ivermectin to be approved for a medical treatment is complicated ... they have to go through all kinds of high bars for approval to use it ina treatment for a new/different condition or purpose. Twitter and Trump are not part of this approval process in any nation. Each nation has it's set procedures. The WHO nor the CDC cannot just tell nations Govts to use it for covid out of the blue either. That is not the Process to follow. So .... guess what ... there was PUSH BACK from the professionals who are the gate-keepers for the System that includes all the Safety Checks and Balances.

That should not be a surprise to anyone - that's is their job that is what they are supposed to do. Stop rash untested unchecked behavior and the uncontrolled use of drugs willy nilly.

What happens is some jackass with a public megaphone shouts out Ivermectin 24/7 - but this jackass was never ever a part of the professional teams who did detailed intelligent and thorough expert scientific analysis of what to do were a Pandemic to break out ... so frankly the jacklass don't know shit about anything about the history of why The Health Manual says what it says .... and the manual cannot be re-written at Will in a moment just because some jack-ass or President, or some obscure unknown group of Doctor's MDs in Brazil suddenly had a great new idea.

Life doesn't work like that. If it did the world would in constant chaos and no one would be driving on the same side of the road or stopping at red traffic lights.

Now these people who have professional titles belong to professional bodies and they are required to behave, speak and act in accordance wit the rules of those bodies - including public servants in govt departments. They cannot act independently and say whatever they like willy nilly. They MUST act in accordance with what is accepted practice - whereas some dumb ass blow hard on Twitter can say whatever the eff they want no matter how much they don't know about the subject or exactly why the Manual says to do X and ~#^(- instead ... and what the best-practice procedures are to be followed in order to make a change.

You see. No nefarious conspiracy is required to understand rationally and logically why things happen like they do. (smile)

So take all that with a sprinkling of salt, it merely my own humble yet humorous way to point out the obvious which unfortunately is not that obvious due to the millions of attention seekers out there in Internetland who are constantly distracting the attention of the hoi polloi to their special brand of idiocy.

Not you Scorpion I'm thinking of those regular down to earth folks like Trump, Alex Jones, Ye and the millions just like them. :-)

The End

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 4:36 utc | 192

But I think some of the people protesting have mental disorders that they get so razzled by someone's posts on an internet board.

You seem to take yourself and your posts way too seriously. I scroll past yours too since there are often so many, and quite long [a windbag works ], and you are impolite [ add in constantly abusive, insulting and aggressive and arrogant to a T ].

Who wants to read what obsessive impolite people say?

Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 2:11 utc | 185

Not me.

And it doesn't matter if he was responding to you or not Scorpion ... you still nailed him high on his own petard! Good job.

Pointing out hypocrisy is important not because hypocrisy is an especially terrible thing in and of itself, but because it draws attention to the fact that the hypocrite does not really stand where they claim to stand and value what they purport to value.

And now for something completely different: I think the term petulant little prick has a nice ring to it. A bit woody. Like gorm.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 4:57 utc | 193

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 4:36 utc | 192

I think your 'it's not a conspiracy' argument is well made and I agree with much of it in general. However, I think the extremely unusual (quarantining the healthy) and almost uniform covid response was not the result of many independent governments and Health Boards and suchlike as you describe. Within a matter of weeks the whole western world was doing the same thing pretty much and in questionable ways too many to get into here, though one small example: big box stores open, small businesses and churches closed. Endless little things like that.

As to ivermectin and HCQ, they did not at first come from Twitter jackasses so your dwelling on that straw man lessened the impact of your argument. (Luckily I could rise above it!) HCQ was first pushed as an emergency lifesaver by a French epidemiologist widely touted as Europe's senior in that field, then by clinicians who had good results in hospitals who were then ostracized and ridiculed. Ivermectin came many months later but quickly several large studies were done with very promising results but then in the US they would fire doctors for prescribing it, order pharmacies not to fill the orders even though it is not a drug and has zero side effects and hundreds of millions of doses have been administered and several studies with thousands had excellent results specificially with covid infections over which it has rapid, sometimes miraculous-seeming results. It was suppressed deliberately and again nearly everywhere in the world all at once which is suspicious.

So I'm sorry, not persuaded. I suspect the goal was to vaccinate so no alternatives were acceptable since otherwise they couldn't get the emergency use status they needed to be able to push them as the only answer to this deadly world wide pandemic and moreover to get the governments in EVERY country to agree to pay for them which EVERY government did.

But again, I think you made your argument pretty well and generally explains how things work better than the typical conspiracy argument. We can just agree to disagree.

Although it sounds otherwise I don't actually favor the conspiracy argument myself but it does seem to me like these big things of late coming down SO rapidly AND world wide smacks of pre-planning and therefore coordination. That said I don't personally try to guess who and what exactly and don't spend time trying to find out. I also don't use Twitter or FB or watch TV or read US newspapers though I do like some of Tucker C's opening monologues. He's a real American journalist at this point, moreover still in mainstream space, a rare combination these days.

My main other concern is the push for digital currencies, ID's, social credit etc. I don't think they are compatible with our previous nation states so the reset business is a very real thing which is going to happen - indeed is already happening - but because it is not being debated and our input is not invited I cannot believe it is a good thing even though there is little question that some sort of reset has to happen. Even if this is following the Chinese model which many here believe is benign and even the most advanced in the world, why the subterfuge? Why the mystery? Why no detailed discussions? Doesn't sit right.

Related to this concern is the degree to which this seeming techno-fascist revolution is truly world wide. All sides, it seems, are on board even though ostensibly the US-West versus RoW conflict is a geopolitical techtonic shift unlike anything seen since the Great War of 1914-48.

A little strange.....if more details about the techno-political front were forthcoming it would help. But they are not.

If had to guess would say it looks like first there is bifurcation so the West splits from Central and Eastern Eurasia + allies including financial system, supply chains, internet, cultures, everything. This will take a few years presumably.

Then after the split there will be some sort of world wide digital system administered differently in different zones but probably controlled by a new and probably hidden world wide elite who will corrupt the system ab initio just like happened in the West with the world order we were in until recently but now needs to include all developed nations not just the first bunch mainly in the West. But I definitely hope this is not what happens and the Russia-China axis has a plan to ensure it does not and we have a new and better world order.

But there is no substantive information so this can only be a hope at this point, nothing more. Words do not cook rice and there aren't hardly any words about the techno stuff yet, just very vague announcements about tests being made and weird hints from weird people in the WEF and such...

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 4 2022 5:48 utc | 194

Scorpion | 194

It's all good you do you.

I'm only using ivermectin and twitter jackasses and so on as hooks on which to hang a "story" in time and space - it's the meaning behind the story that matters more than the 'hooks', the selective details iow. People are able to research this ' story' and see if there is any meat on it by discovering some facts about how things really happen behind the scenes.

Knowledge is power iow. Learning new facts, previously not known to us as individuals, tend to build better pictures of reality. It's like finding missing pieces to a jigsaw puzzle you'd never been able to finish before. But no one can force those facts down anyone else's throat. We have to learn how eat better ourselves, is my humble opinion based on my long experience of uncovering what was previously unknown. (wink) There's gold in them there hills ....

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 6:35 utc | 195

typo/error .... by discovering for themselves some facts

@193 Hat tip to monty python in case that was too obscure.

Posted by: SeanAU | Dec 4 2022 6:40 utc | 196

On South Africa:

The Eskom scandal that ate the SA treasury and lined corrupt pockets appears to be the trigger for dramatic change. Some background:-

Note dates, as this has been emerging for some years.

There is plenty more to source - some in lala land.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 4 2022 7:04 utc | 197

Is this a tag-team effort now ?
Posted by: Outraged | Dec 4 2022 2:43 utc | 187


Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 4 2022 7:13 utc | 198

BRICS information

An interview at Syrianna Analysis with Chris Devonshire-Ellis:

The report at Silk Road Briefing.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 4 2022 7:21 utc | 199

@ waynorinorway | Dec 4 2022 7:13 utc | 198

Note the hour delay in Scorpions sorry, not sorry, all your fault, non-apology.

Then Sean_UA dumps his spam, then copies the original, edits, amends, expands upon & adds to the ad-hominem, & reposts ... hohum.

C'est la vie.

Posted by: Outraged | Dec 4 2022 7:54 utc | 200

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