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November 17, 2022
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2022-200

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Trudeau and Macron rehearsing a Monty Python skit (don’t give up the day jobs lads)…
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1592901690738741258

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 17 2022 15:24 utc | 1

LOL… should have been Sunak. Obv.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 17 2022 15:25 utc | 2

B.
Regarding your post about Iran and who is funding Iran International (news outlet), who is spreading false information and who is funding the uprisings in Iran.
Briefly, you indicated that this newspaper is based in London financed by the British and Saudis.
Considering the century-old mentality of the English counterintelligence services. I find this whole involvement very strange.
They left a trail for others to find out who the financiers are and voila, it’s the Saudis.
Right now, if I were Saudi, this would be the worst time to have more enemies. It makes no sense that the Saudis are asking to join the BRICS at the same time as Iran, while disconnecting from the petrodollar, it makes no sense that they are actively funding uprisings in Iran.
It is normal and possible that they will have regional disputes with Iran. But, truly, Saudi Arabia is not (should not be) interested in the existence of regional instability.
What would Iran’s reaction be? Financing Shia riots in Saudi Arabia.
Who benefits? UK and US. – regime change
an even bigger mess in the ME
With the americans anger at the door, SA, does not need instability, even in IRAN.
So, ultimately, I believe that the Iran International is actually not being funded by the Saudis, but by the usual suspects. Israel, US and UK – but the crumbs were purposely left to indicate that it is the Saudis who are funding.
A peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran is the equivalent of a geoeconomic union between Germany and Russia.
Divide and rule is the old Anglo-Saxon motto.
Sorry for the off-topic

Posted by: hugo | Nov 17 2022 15:32 utc | 3

@ hugo | Nov 17 2022 15:32 utc | 3
Nothing is Off Topic(OT) in an Open (Not Ukraine) Thread. Cheers. OTs away …

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 17 2022 15:37 utc | 4

Why is the U.S. State Dept so scared of Southront?
Southfront is a good website but I consider it an average good website yet the U.S. constantly attacks their website. I would say that their website is down most of the time. How did Southfront get on the U.S. Intel RADAR and then treat them like the ‘big bad’?

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 15:56 utc | 5

News from the authoritarian world, that is, the jungle:
China sets up national university for the aged to build lifelong learning society
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1279845.shtml

Posted by: JB | Nov 17 2022 15:58 utc | 6

U.S. election results
It follows a very typical pattern. 1. New President gets electect, if he’s lucky enough to get a majority in both houses, he has 2yrs to get things done. 2. Midterm election, if he loses the House by even 1 vote, absolutely nothing will be done for 2yrs.
The Republicans are not going to give Biden anything to sign into law, zero, nada, zilch. Biden will do some more Executive orders and appoint judges. Biden, is a caretaker President. The same thing happened to Reagan, he got his big tax cut in the 1st year and that was it. After the Dem’s took the House, the only thing he did was to partially roll back his tax cuts.
Biden victory lap? Now I am starting to believe he has dementia.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 16:07 utc | 7

Gruby smok wszedł do baru w Chinach.Pobił mnie na śmierć tłustym fioletowym bananem.Dlaczego ser topi się w Szwecji?

Posted by: jerzy | Nov 17 2022 16:15 utc | 8

@ Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 16:07 utc | 7
Yes, and your description aptly counters the fiction that the US is a democracy, i.e. governance by the people via their representatives.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 17 2022 16:20 utc | 9

Big Nothing. Some of us Americans expecting Armageddon following mid terms got stores food fuel generators on ready but nothing. I wish the grand inevitable of whatever would just happen and be done with it!

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 16:31 utc | 10

The moving of industry to low wage nations didn’t happen as much in Europe compared to America because of the strong unions who have much more influence over their governments than in America. So how to fix that problem for the upper class business elites who want to move industry in Europe to low wage nations?
One theory is:
Make people believe that there is an energy crisis which leaves them no choice but to move their factories to lower wage nations.
How do you create an energy crisis that is so bad that they are able to get away with that?
1. Create the idea in people’s minds that the climate crisis is so dire that the end of the world is nigh — unless we stop using fossil fuels immediately.
2. Create the idea in people’s heads that nuclear power is also very unsafe.
3. Convince the people that “green energy” can easily take the place of fossil fuels and nuclear power.
4. Create in people’s minds the idea that it is very politically-incorrect to keep importing your only source of cheap fossil fuels — that coincidentally is needed for European industry to be economically competitive on the world market.
5. European industry then has no choice but to leave Europe because they can no longer be profitable because green energy is not ready to replace fossil fuels — and reverting to fossil fuels of course is non-negotiable because they are going to destroy the world any day now. Look at all the kids gluing themselves to roads, paintings, etc., with the museums and police letting them. Fear of climate change is being pushed by power at the highest levels.
6. Which just so happens to align with the business elites in America who outsource like mad.
And look at that — The biggest investor in Europe is an American firm which is well-known for moving industry to low wage nations, which is also the biggest political player in the EU: from Estimated Prophets

Posted by: Kali El | Nov 17 2022 16:54 utc | 11

Opport Knocks @1,2
Thanks for that, I got a good chuckle out of it.
On the subject of Trudeau, most may have heard of his tense talk with President Xi at the G20.
https://www.rt.com/news/566634-xi-trudeau-g20-bali/
The thing is, generally speaking, Canada is just not important enough for this sort of attention from someone like Xi. I have found in the past, that some useful perspective can frequently be found in these political matters, by looking to BNN Bloomberg. And with that, I give you a link to “China has links to dozens of Canadian miners tied up critical minerals” from Nov. 11:
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/china-has-links-to-dozens-of-canadian-miners-tied-to-critical-minerals~2562920

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 17 2022 16:58 utc | 12

@ Opport Knocks | Nov 17 2022 15:25 utc | 1 // 2
is that for real? jesus it is nuts if it is!
@ Bruised Northerner | Nov 17 2022 16:58 utc | 12
thanks… but canada has always been open to receiving others money for our natural wealth… in other words.. we have no natural wealth.. all of it is for sale to the higher bidder, or the stock market – which is much the same ponzi scheme type set up and thing.. now canada is pushing hard to be the usa’s most favoured bed partner by adopting all this russia and china hate lingo and bullshit… it is really quite sad… is there anyone in either of the mainstream parties here in canada that is taking a different approach to any of this?? i remember fondly of trudeau senior telling the usa to shove it… now trudeau junior is the exact opposite and doesn’t stand for much of anything other then a gentleman quarterly picture i suppose… it is really pathetic… i think i am going to vote for max bernier next time around… these canuck mainstream parties are as bad as the usa one’s… sorry for the rant on canuck politics.. i don’t like where our country is going here at present.. i thought harper was bad, but trudeau is just as bad – a different type of bad..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:12 utc | 13

@ Jen | Nov 17 2022 17:09 utc | 13
seems to me to be driven a lot by ex pats in the usa on instagram.. social media is working hard for the intel agencies to reach a particular goal.. that said, the environment has not be helped by the conservative nature of iran leadership… but as i am prone to always say – lets others work out their shit, rather then us meddling in it.. i hate the meddling part of the west and maybe am a bit obsessed about that part..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:15 utc | 14

jerzy | Nov 17 2022 16:15 utc | 8
Topi się, ponieważ smok ma chorobę. Żałuję incydentu z bananem.

Posted by: imo | Nov 17 2022 17:22 utc | 15

“Russia will not extradite to the Netherlands its citizens sentenced in absentia by a Dutch court to life imprisonment in the case of the crash of a Boeing in Ukraine, the court’s decision will not entail any legal consequences – Andrey Klishas, head of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building.” off this telegram channel – https://t.me/s/vdv_union

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:24 utc | 16

“In December 2021, the Dutch prosecutor’s office issued an indictment, demanding that all four defendants be sentenced to life imprisonment “for the destruction of an aircraft as part of an organized group, which led to the death of 298 people, and the murder of passengers on board.”
Ukraine refused to provide data from its radars, and the United States did not provide the investigation with satellite images, which, as they claim, show the moment of the rocket launch. The line of state prosecution is based on the testimony of exclusively anonymous witnesses. We do not expect anything “good” from the Dutch court. To objectively investigate a plane crash is not for you to do cheese.”
off same channel.. last paragraph is especially relevant and will not be broadcast in the western msm.. ukraine had a veto on everything that was released.. what kind of investigation gives one of the suspects a veto over what is released? this i learned from the book i was discussing yesterday – flight mh 17, ukraine and the new cold war by kees van der pijl..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:27 utc | 17

For an old world naval and economic power the Dutch are pretty fcuking stupid.

Posted by: Jacq | Nov 17 2022 17:43 utc | 18

James
I remember the Vietnam protests of then a more vibrant democracy then today. It is the absences of such activities that concerns me such as in America today.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 17:44 utc | 19

Jen@13
There is, no doubt, a lot of repression both real and imagined within Iran. This is true of all countries.
But the events in Iran are, without a shadow of a doubt, choreographed from outside by terrorist forces including agents of the CIA, MI6 and Mossad.
It is one thing to object to religious rules, quite another for armed militants to provoke and kill policemen- the same thing happened in the Maidan.
In the current situation in Iran a lot of false information has been spread maliciously. In addition to which the proximity of the first protests and the Iraqi Kurdistan border are not coincidences.
We know, it is not denied that the Empire wants to recall Iran into its orbit. And that regime change is required to do that.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 17 2022 17:51 utc | 20

begin @21
I have been following Iran for some time. Yes I agree with you.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 17:59 utc | 21

Ordinary disgruntled citizens hardly ever go out hunting policemen and members of the security apparatus as was happening in Iran. This has all the hallmarks of western coupism. Biden, as is his wont, was caught on camera mouthing off about it. Iran is no paradise but the west has little sympathy for rebellious citizens. Just ask the Canadian truckers

Posted by: DaVinci | Nov 17 2022 18:09 utc | 22

The US and Israel were the only two countries to want to continue with harsh sanctions (war by other means) on Cuba, (Via a UN vote) and the reason for it is that Cuba is a successful socialist country, and they don’t like that.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/real-reaso-us-embargo-against-cuba/282742/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:13 utc | 23

The anti-Arab extremists are in control of the Israeli Knesset, God help the poor Palestinians.
“What is most disturbing is that Netanyahu owes his return to power to the students of the racist, Arab-hating thug Meir Kahane. Kahane founded the Jewish Defense League, which the FBI designated a terrorist organization. Kahane preached for the forced transfer of most of the Arabs from Palestine and the creation of Jewish only beaches, schools and towns. Much of what he preached is already reality in the state of Israel, but the brashness of his discourse was too much, even for Israelis.”
https://www.mintpressnews.com/kahanist-extremists-take-power-new-government-israel/282734/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:16 utc | 24

Why should anybody waste time on mass protests against a war when everyone knows perfectly well they will have zero effect on policy? The huge protests against the Iraq war proved that. The protests against Clinton’s projected war against Korea was not terminated solely by popular protests. At any rate, US wars have rarely begun because of popular demand forcing the poor benighted politicians to send out the troops. The few examples of that date back to the nineteenth century I think. The goal was to take Indian lands and protect settlers as they took them. Any vague notions that real democracies don’t invade other countries are ideological fantasies about bourgeois democracy, utopian delusions about a classless state. Bourgeois democracy is imperialist, as it is anti-Communist, multipolar and anti-internationalist.
At this point, it seems that the semi-organized violence against police is not typical of the protests. At this point, so far as I can tell, many of the protests are *not* targeting police in that fashion. The subversive violence thus far seems to be fairly limited. In particular, there does not seem to be much organization in political/military support by factions in Iran allied to the imperialist intervention, no subversion of the military. At any rate, the situation is not comparable to the Maidan, as there has been no recent equivalent of the Orange Revolution, nor is there a long-standing relatively even split in the society comparable to the “Ukrainian”/Russian split. Maidan is not very closely parallel. Again, the model appears to be Syria, but there has not yet been a refusal of protesters to negotiate, so far as I know. The proximity of protests in areas close to Iraqi Kurdistan over the death of a Kurdish woman are not mysteries that have to be explained by a conspiracy theory “without a shadow of a doubt.”

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 17 2022 18:21 utc | 25

For those who don’t think the UK played a significant role in the Vietnam war, think again.
“UK sent SAS team to Vietnam in 1962, flew secret RAF missions to deliver arms, and provided intelligence to US
UK governments lied to parliament they were not providing military advice to South Vietnam’s brutal regime
Labour government secretly gave arms to US for use in Vietnam, stressing need for “no publicity”
It also connived with Washington to deceive UK public over its support for US
UK governments knew of atrocities against civilians but backed US war aims.”
https://declassifieduk.org/britains-secret-role-in-the-brutal-us-war-in-vietnam/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:23 utc | 26

Please remove my (28) comment I meant to post it on the Ukraine thread not this one, apologies.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:29 utc | 27

A quick question. I’ve noticed that groups like Extinction Rebellion, Stop the Oil, as well as Greta Thunberg are often in the news but I have never seen information on who is funding these people. Does anyone know who the funders are?

Posted by: saint denis | Nov 17 2022 18:32 utc | 28

Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:16 utc | 25
South florida has huge land investment interest in both Cuba and Venezuela. The south florida Jewish community has great political power and interest there.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 18:55 utc | 29

Today the English media reported that four Russians had been found guilty in absentia of downing flight MH17 by the Hague, Russia has been found guilty of carrying out the cowardly attack.
However, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that it was the Ukrainians that downed flight MH17.
https://caucus99percent.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-now-obvious-nose-your-face-mh17-shootdown-was-false-flag-executed-elements-ukrainian
Putting this particular event aside, if the Hague is concerned about justice on war crimes etc, why aren’t several ex-US presidents and UK PMs in the dock.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:55 utc | 30

That doesn’t seem like the real Jen @13 – Jen | Nov 17 2022 17:09 utc
It seems like a copy/paste western talking point that she is much too well informed to proliferate.
Apologies if wrong, but it seemed like a hijack to me.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 17 2022 18:59 utc | 31

@ Grieved | Nov 17 2022 18:59 utc | 32
on my walk this morning, i was thinking the same thing and was going to say so when i came back here.. thanks for saying what i am intuiting, however slowly!

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 19:04 utc | 32

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 17 2022 18:21 utc | 2
Why should one even bother voting considering the US population is some 330 million as a small fraction even care to vote, not that it matters.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 19:06 utc | 33

Stupidity of Republicans controlled by Xrstofascists.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/texas-bill-would-say-a-fetus-can-legally-be-a-second-passenger-in-hov-lanes/ar-AA14dLZx

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 17 2022 19:14 utc | 34

Jared Ball’s opinion (courtesy of Black Agenda Report):
Wakanda Must Fall

This White, Western, pan-European fantasy film where all of its colonial subjects fight each other to see who will be safe from them is a political mess. The limitation of all existing curse words and my “appropriate” vocabulary inhibit my ability to convey my disdain for the politics of this movie, but what follows is my best effort. But just to be clear, I hate Wakanda Forever. [more]

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2022 19:15 utc | 35

Apologies, I somehow messed up the link to Jared Ball’s review, here it is:
https://www.blackagendareport.com/wakanda-must-fall

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2022 19:18 utc | 36