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November 17, 2022

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Trudeau and Macron rehearsing a Monty Python skit (don't give up the day jobs lads)...

https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1592901690738741258

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 17 2022 15:24 utc | 1

LOL... should have been Sunak. Obv.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 17 2022 15:25 utc | 2

B.
Regarding your post about Iran and who is funding Iran International (news outlet), who is spreading false information and who is funding the uprisings in Iran.
Briefly, you indicated that this newspaper is based in London financed by the British and Saudis.

Considering the century-old mentality of the English counterintelligence services. I find this whole involvement very strange.

They left a trail for others to find out who the financiers are and voila, it's the Saudis.
Right now, if I were Saudi, this would be the worst time to have more enemies. It makes no sense that the Saudis are asking to join the BRICS at the same time as Iran, while disconnecting from the petrodollar, it makes no sense that they are actively funding uprisings in Iran.

It is normal and possible that they will have regional disputes with Iran. But, truly, Saudi Arabia is not (should not be) interested in the existence of regional instability.
What would Iran's reaction be? Financing Shia riots in Saudi Arabia.

Who benefits? UK and US. – regime change
an even bigger mess in the ME

With the americans anger at the door, SA, does not need instability, even in IRAN.
So, ultimately, I believe that the Iran International is actually not being funded by the Saudis, but by the usual suspects. Israel, US and UK – but the crumbs were purposely left to indicate that it is the Saudis who are funding.

A peace between Saudi Arabia and Iran is the equivalent of a geoeconomic union between Germany and Russia.
Divide and rule is the old Anglo-Saxon motto.

Sorry for the off-topic

Posted by: hugo | Nov 17 2022 15:32 utc | 3

@ hugo | Nov 17 2022 15:32 utc | 3

Nothing is Off Topic(OT) in an Open (Not Ukraine) Thread. Cheers. OTs away ...

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 17 2022 15:37 utc | 4

Why is the U.S. State Dept so scared of Southront?

Southfront is a good website but I consider it an average good website yet the U.S. constantly attacks their website. I would say that their website is down most of the time. How did Southfront get on the U.S. Intel RADAR and then treat them like the 'big bad'?

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 15:56 utc | 5

News from the authoritarian world, that is, the jungle:

China sets up national university for the aged to build lifelong learning society
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1279845.shtml

Posted by: JB | Nov 17 2022 15:58 utc | 6

U.S. election results

It follows a very typical pattern. 1. New President gets electect, if he's lucky enough to get a majority in both houses, he has 2yrs to get things done. 2. Midterm election, if he loses the House by even 1 vote, absolutely nothing will be done for 2yrs.

The Republicans are not going to give Biden anything to sign into law, zero, nada, zilch. Biden will do some more Executive orders and appoint judges. Biden, is a caretaker President. The same thing happened to Reagan, he got his big tax cut in the 1st year and that was it. After the Dem's took the House, the only thing he did was to partially roll back his tax cuts.

Biden victory lap? Now I am starting to believe he has dementia.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 16:07 utc | 7

Gruby smok wszedł do baru w Chinach.Pobił mnie na śmierć tłustym fioletowym bananem.Dlaczego ser topi się w Szwecji?

Posted by: jerzy | Nov 17 2022 16:15 utc | 8

@ Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 16:07 utc | 7
Yes, and your description aptly counters the fiction that the US is a democracy, i.e. governance by the people via their representatives.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 17 2022 16:20 utc | 9

Big Nothing. Some of us Americans expecting Armageddon following mid terms got stores food fuel generators on ready but nothing. I wish the grand inevitable of whatever would just happen and be done with it!

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 16:31 utc | 10

The moving of industry to low wage nations didn’t happen as much in Europe compared to America because of the strong unions who have much more influence over their governments than in America. So how to fix that problem for the upper class business elites who want to move industry in Europe to low wage nations?

One theory is:

Make people believe that there is an energy crisis which leaves them no choice but to move their factories to lower wage nations.

How do you create an energy crisis that is so bad that they are able to get away with that?

1. Create the idea in people’s minds that the climate crisis is so dire that the end of the world is nigh — unless we stop using fossil fuels immediately.

2. Create the idea in people’s heads that nuclear power is also very unsafe.

3. Convince the people that “green energy” can easily take the place of fossil fuels and nuclear power.

4. Create in people’s minds the idea that it is very politically-incorrect to keep importing your only source of cheap fossil fuels — that coincidentally is needed for European industry to be economically competitive on the world market.

5. European industry then has no choice but to leave Europe because they can no longer be profitable because green energy is not ready to replace fossil fuels — and reverting to fossil fuels of course is non-negotiable because they are going to destroy the world any day now. Look at all the kids gluing themselves to roads, paintings, etc., with the museums and police letting them. Fear of climate change is being pushed by power at the highest levels.

6. Which just so happens to align with the business elites in America who outsource like mad.

And look at that — The biggest investor in Europe is an American firm which is well-known for moving industry to low wage nations, which is also the biggest political player in the EU: from Estimated Prophets

Posted by: Kali El | Nov 17 2022 16:54 utc | 11

Opport Knocks @1,2

Thanks for that, I got a good chuckle out of it.

On the subject of Trudeau, most may have heard of his tense talk with President Xi at the G20.
https://www.rt.com/news/566634-xi-trudeau-g20-bali/

The thing is, generally speaking, Canada is just not important enough for this sort of attention from someone like Xi. I have found in the past, that some useful perspective can frequently be found in these political matters, by looking to BNN Bloomberg. And with that, I give you a link to “China has links to dozens of Canadian miners tied up critical minerals” from Nov. 11:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/china-has-links-to-dozens-of-canadian-miners-tied-to-critical-minerals~2562920

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 17 2022 16:58 utc | 12

@ Opport Knocks | Nov 17 2022 15:25 utc | 1 // 2

is that for real? jesus it is nuts if it is!

@ Bruised Northerner | Nov 17 2022 16:58 utc | 12

thanks... but canada has always been open to receiving others money for our natural wealth... in other words.. we have no natural wealth.. all of it is for sale to the higher bidder, or the stock market - which is much the same ponzi scheme type set up and thing.. now canada is pushing hard to be the usa's most favoured bed partner by adopting all this russia and china hate lingo and bullshit... it is really quite sad... is there anyone in either of the mainstream parties here in canada that is taking a different approach to any of this?? i remember fondly of trudeau senior telling the usa to shove it... now trudeau junior is the exact opposite and doesn't stand for much of anything other then a gentleman quarterly picture i suppose... it is really pathetic... i think i am going to vote for max bernier next time around... these canuck mainstream parties are as bad as the usa one's... sorry for the rant on canuck politics.. i don't like where our country is going here at present.. i thought harper was bad, but trudeau is just as bad - a different type of bad..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:12 utc | 13

@ Jen | Nov 17 2022 17:09 utc | 13

seems to me to be driven a lot by ex pats in the usa on instagram.. social media is working hard for the intel agencies to reach a particular goal.. that said, the environment has not be helped by the conservative nature of iran leadership... but as i am prone to always say - lets others work out their shit, rather then us meddling in it.. i hate the meddling part of the west and maybe am a bit obsessed about that part..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:15 utc | 14

jerzy | Nov 17 2022 16:15 utc | 8

Topi się, ponieważ smok ma chorobę. Żałuję incydentu z bananem.

Posted by: imo | Nov 17 2022 17:22 utc | 15

"Russia will not extradite to the Netherlands its citizens sentenced in absentia by a Dutch court to life imprisonment in the case of the crash of a Boeing in Ukraine, the court's decision will not entail any legal consequences - Andrey Klishas, head of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building." off this telegram channel - https://t.me/s/vdv_union

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:24 utc | 16

"In December 2021, the Dutch prosecutor's office issued an indictment, demanding that all four defendants be sentenced to life imprisonment "for the destruction of an aircraft as part of an organized group, which led to the death of 298 people, and the murder of passengers on board."

Ukraine refused to provide data from its radars, and the United States did not provide the investigation with satellite images, which, as they claim, show the moment of the rocket launch. The line of state prosecution is based on the testimony of exclusively anonymous witnesses. We do not expect anything "good" from the Dutch court. To objectively investigate a plane crash is not for you to do cheese."

off same channel.. last paragraph is especially relevant and will not be broadcast in the western msm.. ukraine had a veto on everything that was released.. what kind of investigation gives one of the suspects a veto over what is released? this i learned from the book i was discussing yesterday - flight mh 17, ukraine and the new cold war by kees van der pijl..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 17:27 utc | 17

For an old world naval and economic power the Dutch are pretty fcuking stupid.

Posted by: Jacq | Nov 17 2022 17:43 utc | 18

James
I remember the Vietnam protests of then a more vibrant democracy then today. It is the absences of such activities that concerns me such as in America today.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 17:44 utc | 19

Jen@13

There is, no doubt, a lot of repression both real and imagined within Iran. This is true of all countries.
But the events in Iran are, without a shadow of a doubt, choreographed from outside by terrorist forces including agents of the CIA, MI6 and Mossad.
It is one thing to object to religious rules, quite another for armed militants to provoke and kill policemen- the same thing happened in the Maidan.
In the current situation in Iran a lot of false information has been spread maliciously. In addition to which the proximity of the first protests and the Iraqi Kurdistan border are not coincidences.
We know, it is not denied that the Empire wants to recall Iran into its orbit. And that regime change is required to do that.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 17 2022 17:51 utc | 20

begin @21

I have been following Iran for some time. Yes I agree with you.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 17:59 utc | 21

Ordinary disgruntled citizens hardly ever go out hunting policemen and members of the security apparatus as was happening in Iran. This has all the hallmarks of western coupism. Biden, as is his wont, was caught on camera mouthing off about it. Iran is no paradise but the west has little sympathy for rebellious citizens. Just ask the Canadian truckers

Posted by: DaVinci | Nov 17 2022 18:09 utc | 22

The US and Israel were the only two countries to want to continue with harsh sanctions (war by other means) on Cuba, (Via a UN vote) and the reason for it is that Cuba is a successful socialist country, and they don't like that.


https://www.mintpressnews.com/real-reaso-us-embargo-against-cuba/282742/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:13 utc | 23

The anti-Arab extremists are in control of the Israeli Knesset, God help the poor Palestinians.


"What is most disturbing is that Netanyahu owes his return to power to the students of the racist, Arab-hating thug Meir Kahane. Kahane founded the Jewish Defense League, which the FBI designated a terrorist organization. Kahane preached for the forced transfer of most of the Arabs from Palestine and the creation of Jewish only beaches, schools and towns. Much of what he preached is already reality in the state of Israel, but the brashness of his discourse was too much, even for Israelis."


https://www.mintpressnews.com/kahanist-extremists-take-power-new-government-israel/282734/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:16 utc | 24

Why should anybody waste time on mass protests against a war when everyone knows perfectly well they will have zero effect on policy? The huge protests against the Iraq war proved that. The protests against Clinton's projected war against Korea was not terminated solely by popular protests. At any rate, US wars have rarely begun because of popular demand forcing the poor benighted politicians to send out the troops. The few examples of that date back to the nineteenth century I think. The goal was to take Indian lands and protect settlers as they took them. Any vague notions that real democracies don't invade other countries are ideological fantasies about bourgeois democracy, utopian delusions about a classless state. Bourgeois democracy is imperialist, as it is anti-Communist, multipolar and anti-internationalist.

At this point, it seems that the semi-organized violence against police is not typical of the protests. At this point, so far as I can tell, many of the protests are *not* targeting police in that fashion. The subversive violence thus far seems to be fairly limited. In particular, there does not seem to be much organization in political/military support by factions in Iran allied to the imperialist intervention, no subversion of the military. At any rate, the situation is not comparable to the Maidan, as there has been no recent equivalent of the Orange Revolution, nor is there a long-standing relatively even split in the society comparable to the "Ukrainian"/Russian split. Maidan is not very closely parallel. Again, the model appears to be Syria, but there has not yet been a refusal of protesters to negotiate, so far as I know. The proximity of protests in areas close to Iraqi Kurdistan over the death of a Kurdish woman are not mysteries that have to be explained by a conspiracy theory "without a shadow of a doubt."

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 17 2022 18:21 utc | 25

For those who don't think the UK played a significant role in the Vietnam war, think again.

"UK sent SAS team to Vietnam in 1962, flew secret RAF missions to deliver arms, and provided intelligence to US
UK governments lied to parliament they were not providing military advice to South Vietnam’s brutal regime
Labour government secretly gave arms to US for use in Vietnam, stressing need for “no publicity”
It also connived with Washington to deceive UK public over its support for US
UK governments knew of atrocities against civilians but backed US war aims."


https://declassifieduk.org/britains-secret-role-in-the-brutal-us-war-in-vietnam/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:23 utc | 26

Please remove my (28) comment I meant to post it on the Ukraine thread not this one, apologies.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:29 utc | 27

A quick question. I've noticed that groups like Extinction Rebellion, Stop the Oil, as well as Greta Thunberg are often in the news but I have never seen information on who is funding these people. Does anyone know who the funders are?

Posted by: saint denis | Nov 17 2022 18:32 utc | 28

Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:16 utc | 25

South florida has huge land investment interest in both Cuba and Venezuela. The south florida Jewish community has great political power and interest there.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 18:55 utc | 29

Today the English media reported that four Russians had been found guilty in absentia of downing flight MH17 by the Hague, Russia has been found guilty of carrying out the cowardly attack.

However, there's plenty of evidence to suggest that it was the Ukrainians that downed flight MH17.

https://caucus99percent.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-now-obvious-nose-your-face-mh17-shootdown-was-false-flag-executed-elements-ukrainian


Putting this particular event aside, if the Hague is concerned about justice on war crimes etc, why aren't several ex-US presidents and UK PMs in the dock.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 18:55 utc | 30

That doesn't seem like the real Jen @13 - Jen | Nov 17 2022 17:09 utc

It seems like a copy/paste western talking point that she is much too well informed to proliferate.

Apologies if wrong, but it seemed like a hijack to me.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 17 2022 18:59 utc | 31

@ Grieved | Nov 17 2022 18:59 utc | 32

on my walk this morning, i was thinking the same thing and was going to say so when i came back here.. thanks for saying what i am intuiting, however slowly!

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 19:04 utc | 32

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 17 2022 18:21 utc | 2

Why should one even bother voting considering the US population is some 330 million as a small fraction even care to vote, not that it matters.

Posted by: John2007 | Nov 17 2022 19:06 utc | 33

Stupidity of Republicans controlled by Xrstofascists.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/texas-bill-would-say-a-fetus-can-legally-be-a-second-passenger-in-hov-lanes/ar-AA14dLZx

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 17 2022 19:14 utc | 34

Jared Ball's opinion (courtesy of Black Agenda Report):

Wakanda Must Fall

This White, Western, pan-European fantasy film where all of its colonial subjects fight each other to see who will be safe from them is a political mess. The limitation of all existing curse words and my “appropriate” vocabulary inhibit my ability to convey my disdain for the politics of this movie, but what follows is my best effort. But just to be clear, I hate Wakanda Forever. [more]

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2022 19:15 utc | 35

Apologies, I somehow messed up the link to Jared Ball's review, here it is:

https://www.blackagendareport.com/wakanda-must-fall

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2022 19:18 utc | 36

Jen | Nov 17 2022 17:09 utc | @13, "No one is funding the protests in Iran, Hugo. It is an organic response to years of oppression amongst a younger demographic that looks to the West for its yearnings"

Jen why dismiss the possibility of outside funding?
1. The U.S. has and is funding dissent campaigns all over the world. We have an alphabet soup of NGO's like NED that brag about it. So why would we exempt Iran?

2. Israel brags about all of the sabotage they are doing in Iran, that costs money. Again, if you fund sabotage, why would we avoid funding dissenters?

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After 20yrs of imposing a starvation blockade on Iran specifically targeting the civilian population, I doubt that Iranians 'yearn' for the west no matter what they think of the theocracy. Treating people like lepers tends to piss them off

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 19:19 utc | 37

Grieved@32
I thought the same. And still do.

Republicofscotland@31
"... if the Hague is concerned about justice on war crimes etc,.."

This was an Dutch municipal court. It had nothing to to with the International Court of Justice at The Hague.
The verdict was decided before the Judge was appointed. The process was an insult to kangaroos. John Helmer has documented the evolution of this idiocy-an expensive way of producing media headlines- from the beginning.
A tribunal based on an investigation by the prime suspect and excluding participation by the designated accused cannot possibly produce a credible verdict. Given that Malaysia, the main victim, was excluded from the investigation- because it was not signed up to NATO's agenda-it really isn't worth discussing.

As a wise man put it at another site:

"The entire NATO effort is theatre, of the most melodramatic kind. It is designed to recreate the image of an principled alliance of fraternal peoples, victors in a long war against Hitlerism, making a stand against ruthless aggression from the east.
"It was mendacious nonsense in 1949.
"In 2022 nobody, outside of the more hysterical members of the public, believes a word of it. The tragedy was our lives in the Cold War-and, more importantly, the tens of millions of victims of anti-communism
"This is farce: a ‘coalition of the satellites of the Empire ‘willing’ the emigre fascist led Ukrainians to an impossible victory.
"A bad script badly produced and acted by bored amateurs.
"The coalition of the willing. And the hoping. And the delusional."

The Dutch Court is part of this vulgar theatrical, in which even the legal profession disgraces itself.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 17 2022 19:22 utc | 38

Some might find today's speech by Xi Jinping of value since it offers an alternative pathway for the planet. Nothing newsworthy, however, for BigLie Media, which turned Trudeau into Xi's victim, Xi supposedly "humiliated" him when the headline should've called out Trudeau for lying again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17 2022 19:44 utc | 39

Bevin. (38)

I totally agree on Nato they had no remit after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and their claim that they were a defensive body was discredited when they bombed Bosnia, Nato allies have also been involved in Libya, Afghanistan and Syria, the Nato alliance was even involved in Iraq.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_51977.htm

The head of the Nato snake even reserves the right to invade the Hague.


"In 2002, then-President George W. Bush signed the American Service-Members’ Protection Act into law, authorizing the use of military force to free its citizens from incarceration in the Hague and trial by the International Criminal Court."


https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/us-can-invade-the-hague/


The Hague is so corrupt that only African warlords and Eastern European dictators find themselves in the dock.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 17 2022 19:45 utc | 40

Christian Chuba | Nov 17 2022 15:56 utc | 5
Q: “Why is the U.S. State Dept so scared of Southfront?
A: Syria.
Southfront provided excellent journalism about the US funded ISIS proxy war.
We’ve forgotten, (most never knew) about the intense fighting for Syria.
Southfront provided some of what we are now familiar and demanding of the Ukraine engagement… vid and first hand testimony from the front.
Southfront contradicted both the CIA/State Department and Pentagon claims about Syria (these two were themselves in conflict more than once). Southfront was providing daily updates with maps, + vid right from the …..front.
The US had never ever encountered an information source that so comprehensively refuted their claims in real time, and with obvious accurately sourced evidence…
Southfront was extremely popular with those who wanted non msm Syria reporting.
The US hasn’t made the same mistake in Ukraine….. as we know, accurate sources of non msm info are …. banned or blocked.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Nov 17 2022 20:02 utc | 41

Greetings, james, karlof1 and other Trudeau commenters!

I believe Trudeau has a target with his erroneous Iran-related Tweet and convo with Xi.

And it be she:
https://mobile.twitter.com/cjtermorshuizen

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 17 2022 20:03 utc | 42

If even half of this is true there is cause for alarm viz the digital-surveillance direction the world is headed in. This about how the Chinese are leading the way.

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/techno_authoritarianism_is_here_to_stay_china_and_the_deep_state_have_joined_forces


John Whitehead

“If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.” —Senator Frank Church

The votes are in.

No matter who runs for office, no matter who controls the White House, Senate or the House of Representatives now or in the future, “we the people” have already lost.

We have lost because the future of this nation is being forged beyond the reach of our laws, elections and borders by techno-authoritarian powers with no regard for individuality, privacy or freedom.

The fate of America is being made in China, our role model for all things dystopian.

An economic and political powerhouse that owns more of America’s debt than any other country and is buying up American businesses across the spectrum, China is a vicious totalitarian regime that routinely employs censorship, surveillance, and brutal police state tactics to intimidate its populace, maintain its power, and expand the largesse of its corporate elite.

Where China goes, the United States eventually follows. This way lies outright tyranny.

And this from Mintpressnews about how surveillance has been increasing even when they claim to have closed some down...

https://www.mintpressnews.com/leaked-files-dhs-disinformation-government-board-secret/282711/


On October 31, journalists Lee Fang and Ken Klippenstein released a trove of leaked documents exposing how, in recent years, the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) desire – and ability – to curb speech in both online and offline realms has ramped up significantly.

Along the way, a government department ostensibly founded to defend Americans from terrorist violence has become the single biggest threat to free speech in the U.S. What is more, the DHS is being actively abetted in this malign mission by major tech firms.

These papers show that officials at the highest levels of the Department are maneuvering to establish a decisive stranglehold over the flow of information in news outlets and on social media platforms, while covertly co-opting and infiltrating civil society groups as “clearing houses” for government propaganda, and consistently deceiving Americans as to their true intentions.

Meanwhile, NY Fed launching 3 month test of digital dollar.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/fed-banks-digital-dollar-test

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Am not endorsing any view in particular but all pieces point in the same direction: a world increasingly dominated by authoritarian regimes using all-pervasive high tech surveillance. I do not believe societies using such tech can maintain anything resembling classic western nation state sovereignty either as states or citizen-subjects dwelling therein. In other words, an issue worth watching...

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 17 2022 20:57 utc | 43


“It seems to me that the greatest PsyOps in history was the whole covid racket."
Guy L’Estrange | Nov 17 2022 16:51 utc | 29

Tedder | Nov 17 2022 17:18 utc | 40
“I get very tired of short-sighted people making silly claims because of how the collective West mishandled the pandemic. Tell Cubans or Chinese that Covid was a hoax, or lots of others around the world.
What happened in the US was unconscionable and criminally incompetent. The neoliberal system of management itself holds the blame ...”


$ $ $ $ $


Since the US government is purchased by the donar class, ie effectively privatized, and operates within a system of privatized money creation, credit & banking (which seeds and grows privatized monopolies sold to the highest bidder), the failure of the neoliberal US west to contain and eliminate the gof viral pandemic at the outset when it was feasible, blocking it from evolving into successive variants that are always inevitably a few evasive steps ahead of targeted treatments and vaccines (which are all privatized monopoly markets), means that this bad governance (from POV of the public), the neoliberal governance, has been a huge success! And if the treatments themselves cause harm, more success! $$$

GDP goes up even when people get sick, sometimes remain sick and die early because so-called health care is big business.

Government obligations to the publc goes down as the old and infirm die early. No further need for social security and healthcare coverage for those so-called useless-eater losers.

Pesky persnickety sticklers for evidence-based truths have been marginalized and silenced as a thousand attention-diverting myths and conspiracy theories have bloomed.

With little to no liability obligations, no observable accountability and no perceived responsibility, it is a monopolist’s dream world come temporarily true. $$$$.

Of course this is an example everyone everywhere in the world will want to follow especially if they have socialized medicine ! s/

Now, what exactly is the psy-op in this train of events?

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Again, I apologize for mis posting this on the wrong thread a few minutes ago. I am trying to get by with no reading glasses. Not a success besides all the other handicaps.

Posted by: suzan | Nov 17 2022 21:14 utc | 44

@ Bruised Northerner | Nov 17 2022 20:03 utc | 42

the twitter link didn't reveal much.. what are you getting at? thanks..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2022 21:21 utc | 45

This never gets boring to watch it again

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1593056590965243904

Note how Xi doesn't even make eye contact with the Turd.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 17 2022 21:34 utc | 46

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 17 2022 21:34 utc | 46

Out of 34 provinces, only four are smaller than Canada's entire population. In Xi's eyes Trudeau ranks as an underage minor provincial governor.

(Plus Xi knows who T's real Daddy is...)

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 17 2022 21:54 utc | 47

@bruised u mean she’s the next Jolie?

Canadas PM is a total psyop. It’s fukcin crazy town this human is PM of Canada. Betrays a lot of actual values he claims to possess. NDA w a minor. He’s the PM.? Full send. Crazy town.

I’ll never forgive myself missing the opportunity I did this summer. Our clownminister was with in earshot.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 17 2022 22:05 utc | 48

@Tom_Q_Collins

You should watch this:

Canada ADMITS Trucker Convoy Was PEACEFUL (The Jimmy Dore Show, October 25, 2022 — 20:11)

Posted by: S | Nov 17 2022 23:00 utc | 49

Evan Reif publishes an excellent article-from Donbas Devushka- on a 'transitioning' Woman/man (I'm confused) called Sarah Ashton-Cirillo. Sarah has made the transition from being a political operative in Vegas (and a poker player) to becoming a full fledged Ukrainian fascist with the Kraken and Azov Regiments.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/11/17/the-gambler/

Nazism, sponsored by NATO states, is spreading throughout eastern europe and north america. It is not a thing which is easily contained. It fits perfectly into neo-liberal societies and is a twin of the "libertarianism' which is perhaps the dominant ideology in the capitalist "west."

There are some graphic images in the story, illustrating the behaviour of the young fascists that Sarah admires, our media heralds and our government pays for: kneecapped Russian POWs bleeding to death, for example. And victims snatched off the streets of Donbas and beheaded for speaking Russian.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 17 2022 23:37 utc | 50

Neither here nor there, but I found this very interesting reading.

https://peacediplomacy.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Woke-Imperium.pdf

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 17 2022 23:48 utc | 51

Posted by: S | Nov 17 2022 23:00 utc | 49

Saw that. Thanks. But I wasn't one of the people saying the protests weren't (mostly) peaceful. Never bought into the stuff about violence, just that they were causing a major inconvenience and reneged on their initial claims regarding the length of the demonstrations. All I ever said was that there were nazi and confederate regalia being displayed. I'm not blaming the truckers themselves for that because Canada is known as a hotbed of white supremacism/nazism as the developments in/surrounding Ukraine should make obvious. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/16/vxen-m16.html and https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/19/bxjj-m19.html Of course the swastika and 'stars and bars' people in Ottowa could have just been Qanon or "accelerationist" types like some of the people who showed up at BLM protests in 2020 (ex. Umbrella Man in Minneapolis).

All of that having been stated, if I ever said that the Canadian trucker convoy was violent, I certainly don't remember it. My only concern was the nazi and confederate stuff.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 18 2022 0:01 utc | 52

Globalism redux. We had a family get-together in London - some from US, some from Germany, one from Mexico - last month because I feared we might never meet again if things keep going the way they are going. Might have been prescient. The first thing "Biden" did after mid-terms was extend Emergency status because of covid meaning non-residents entering US must be vaccinated, amongst other things. Digital currencies coming soon which will herald the end of Common Law and with it post Rennaissance western civilization (long lost but soon will be official), ushering in a Brave New World and all the rest of 1984 with it. Meanwhile people obsessing about out of date ordnance landing in Polish potato fields, or wondering what will happen in the House of Representatives as if anything will and so forth...


Leaders of the Group of 20 (G20) have issued a joint declaration promoting a global standard on proof of vaccination for international travel and calling for the establishment of “global digital health networks” that build on existing digital COVID-19 vaccine passport schemes.

The joint statement followed the conclusion of the G20 summit held in Bali, Indonesia, where leaders discussed global challenges and coordinating policies in response, including to future pandemics.

“We acknowledge the importance of shared technical standards and verification methods, under the framework of the IHR (2005), to facilitate seamless international travel, interoperability, and recognizing digital solutions and non-digital solutions, including proof of vaccinations,” the G20 joint declaration reads.

The International Health Regulations (2005) is an instrument of international law developed under the auspices of the World Health Organization (WHO) that lays down a global framework for responding to the international spread of disease.

The WHO-backed standard, which entered into force in 2007, required countries to strengthen surveillance capacities at border crossings and introduced a series of health documents, including international certificates of vaccination.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/g-20-promotes-who-standardized-global-vaccine-passport-and-digital-health-identity-scheme_4869188.html

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 0:04 utc | 53

The Dutch Court is part of this vulgar theatrical, in which even the legal profession disgraces itself.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 17 2022 19:22 utc | 38

The legal profession disgracing itself, is a norm rather than an exception, particularly at this level. As long as the Justices are appointed by politicians, it will not change.

Recall that not long ago, the Judge who denied Trucker Convoy co-leader Tamara Lich bail was a former failed Liberal candidate in an Ottawa riding.

Seems late stage democracy and late stage capitalism have sone common attributes ;-)

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 18 2022 0:25 utc | 54

This is definitely not timely, but I hadn't seen it before. It's good for quite a laugh. Juan Guaido's welcome at a cafe in Venezuela. Another of Uncle Scam's frauds is greeted as such.

https://twitter.com/RadioGenova/status/1535921393400938497

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 18 2022 0:59 utc | 55

@Tom_Q_Collins #52

My recollection is that you have sided with those who were cheering on the Canadian government as it was clamping down on the truckers, specifically, deploying intense black propaganda against them. Given your otherwise sensible positions on various topics, it was shocking to me that you seemed to have completely bought into that smear campaign. It was obvious that the protesters were ordinary, mostly conservative people—not fascists or Nazis at all—who were simply fed up and were drawing a line in the sand concerning their body autonomy.

Posted by: S | Nov 18 2022 1:15 utc | 56

Posted by: S | Nov 18 2022 1:15 utc | 56

I have friends in Canada, so much of my opinion was what I was told second hand.

Another place I remember seeing it talked about was here: https://williamowen.substack.com/p/the-police-are-out-of-control

From that I gathered that the police were actually on the side of the truckers.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 18 2022 1:16 utc | 57

Headline --
"House Republicans to investigate Biden [crime] family"

N.B. I didn't add the 'crime.' They did.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 18 2022 1:57 utc | 58

James @ 14, Bevin @ 20:

This is my first comment on this thread. Are you both replying to a comment I made on a previous thread about the recent protests in Iran, in which I distinguished between the protests that broke out after news of Mahsa Amini's death from hypoxia, and the protests in Iran's border regions near Turkey and Pakistan which almost certainly appear to be Color Revolutions started by separatists who co-ordinate with one another and who seize any opportunity to hijack public meetings with arson and vandalism attacks? If not, you have replied to a troll whose comment has been tossed out by B.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 18 2022 2:06 utc | 59

@ Jen | Nov 18 2022 2:06 utc | 59

thanks for the confirmation.. b tossed the post out..

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 2:26 utc | 60

Iran is no paradise but the west has little sympathy for rebellious citizens. Just ask the Canadian truckers
Posted by: DaVinci | Nov 17 2022 18:09 utc | 22

Umm, sorry to disagree with you on this. Iran is paradise. You can quote me on it.
Where do you think the word paradise originated?
Give you one guess. The original is pardis which loosely means an orchard. Bagh/pardis in Farsi.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 18 2022 3:48 utc | 61

re #28

according to RT

"Just Stop Oil is financed by the Climate Emergency Fund, a foundation started by billionaire oil heiress Aileen Getty and run by Trevor Neilson, an investor with ties to the World Economic Forum and [to] controversial philanthropists Bill Gates and George Soros."

My guess is Neilson the most important operator involved. His wikipedia page is interesting. and here
https://youtu.be/YUvLDrRL3Eo he mentions a private equity firm, not open to the public, big checks from big investors 'who want to make a big impact'.

Routing relatively tiny checks to XR and so on, maybe Neilson is hoping to make money for those big investors via political manipulation via 'useful idiots' .. vile people every one of them no doubt, these big investors. They surely think themselves good & noble yet they obviously are not. Supporting wannabe extortion rackets like "Just Stop Oil" whose 'protests' screw over ordinary people, while staying under the radar is proof enough.

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Nov 18 2022 3:48 utc | 62

Passerby | Nov 17 2022 18:57 utc | 71

thanks much! i was wondering what consequence could be used with us. no more dollar use, suddenly, fits the bill, so to speak. that's a wonderful thing, bc it seems our govt has been told that nukes are unacceptable. thank the dieties.

that may not be enough, bc the dollar is on the way out anyway, but a sudden refusal would likely be a pretty good threat.

anyway, thanks. helps me keep the faith.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Nov 18 2022 3:52 utc | 63

@ julianmacfarlane | Nov 18 2022 4:27 utc | 219 (Other thread)

You are most welcome, though was not actually soliciting services. Kisses verboten, virtual or otherwise.

Unlimited time on my hands, zero compensation necessary, happy to assist though cannot guarantee timeliness or medium to long term commitment. Resume ? That is problematic, an anonymized mini-profile perhaps ?

Typo ... re last should have been ' ... smooth tight stream & flow, no verbosity.' The actual writer is always their own worst proof-reader possible.

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 18 2022 4:46 utc | 64

✅🇷🇺🛤🇨🇳Russia and China have opened traffic over the railway bridge across the Amur River....Russia and China have started traffic on the first railway bridge over the Amur River on the Nizhneleninskoye-Tongjiang cross-border section, the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) said in a press release on Wednesday.

The bridge opens up a new transport corridor between Russia and China, removing a number of existing infrastructure constraints. The distance for the transportation of goods to the northern provinces of China will be reduced by more than 700 km compared to the existing routes,” RDIF noted.

Its opening will increase the competitiveness of Russian and Chinese companies and ensure a predictable schedule for freight and cargo traffic, affordable raw materials and energy resources, as well as increase the capacity of railway lines between the Russian Federation and China by 1.5 times.


https://t.me/azmilitary11/28898

Posted by: Down South | Nov 18 2022 5:12 utc | 65

The struggle between ChiRu and the West is also a philosophical fight between objectivity and subjectivity.

At some point, in the West, subjectivity became everything. PR became policy. At my workplace, there’s a whole wall dedicated to inspirational woke quotes. One is from Maya Angelou. It goes something like: “People will forget what you said. People will forget you did. But they will never forget how you made them feel”. It’s really an invitation to not change people’s material conditions but just to make them feel good about themselves.

On the other hand, I suspect that in ChiRu, there’s an unspoken disdain for subjectivity. That could explain why ChiRu are so bad at propaganda and PR. When they try to do it, it feels so crude and heavy-handed. It’s like they can’t really be bothered with such futile matters and they can’t really believe people will fall for it.

I think it was Heisenberg who said that the opposite of a great idea could also be a great idea. The recent history of the West has indeed proven that people can be fooled for a long time. But surely, as the walls around you come crashing down, reality must at some point register in your consciousness. No?

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Nov 18 2022 5:31 utc | 66

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 17 2022 19:18 utc | 36

Thanks. Appreciated the video more than the article, actually, but he did say he's not a great writer. He makes good points, though. I had an ongoing argument with one of my friends about the new Top Gun movie being recruiting fodder and militainment and Americans mostly just don't get it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 18 2022 5:33 utc | 67

Zelensky declares Ukraine corruption-free

All ties with Russia have been removed, and all business transactions, payments, and elections are now entirely digitized in Ukraine, says Zelensky.

Corruption has been eradicated from Ukraine and all Russian influences have left or been chased out, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky told a global audience at the Bloomberg New Economy Forum on Thursday

belly laugh when adding FTX and the Dems to that statement

Posted by: hankster | Nov 18 2022 6:21 utc | 68

Blowback: Italian Police Bust Azov-Tied Nazi Cell Planning Terror Attacks
November 17, 2022
By Alexander Rubinstein / The Grayzone

Italian police announced a series of raids against the neo-Nazi Order of Hagal organization. Accused of stockpiling weapons and planning terror attacks, the group has established operational ties to the Ukrainian Azov Battalion.

Five members of an Italian neo-Nazi organization known as the “Order of Hagal” were arrested on November 15th while an additional member remains wanted by authorities. He happened to be in Ukraine, fighting Russian forces alongside the Azov Battalion, which has been formally integrated into the Ukrainian military. 

The “Hagal” members are accused of plotting terrorist attacks on civilian and police targets. A sixth member of the Hagal group, now considered a fugitive, is in Ukraine and embedded with the Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi paramilitary group that has been incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard. 

Members of the Order of Hagal reportedly maintained “direct and frequent” contacts over Telegram with not just the Azov Battalion, but also the neo-Nazi Ukrainian military formations Right Sector and Centuria, “probably in the view of possible recruitment into the ranks of these fighting groups,” according to Italian media.

The police investigation was launched in 2019 and has included extensive computer searches and wiretapping; tactics which have revealed members of the group’s intent on carrying out violent acts in Italy.
https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/17/blowback-italian-police-bust-azov-tied-nazi-cell-planning-terror-attacks/

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 18 2022 7:30 utc | 69

Posted by: S | Nov 17 2022 23:00 utc | 49

Saw that. Thanks. But I wasn't one of the people saying the protests weren't (mostly) peaceful. Never bought into the stuff about violence, just that they were causing a major inconvenience and reneged on their initial claims regarding the length of the demonstrations. All I ever said was that there were nazi and confederate regalia being displayed. I'm not blaming the truckers themselves for that because Canada is known as a hotbed of white supremacism/nazism as the developments in/surrounding Ukraine should make obvious. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/16/vxen-m16.html and https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/19/bxjj-m19.html Of course the swastika and 'stars and bars' people in Ottowa could have just been Qanon or "accelerationist" types like some of the people who showed up at BLM protests in 2020 (ex. Umbrella Man in Minneapolis).

All of that having been stated, if I ever said that the Canadian trucker convoy was violent, I certainly don't remember it. My only concern was the nazi and confederate stuff.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 18 2022 0:01 utc | 52

Well Tom you allowed yourself to be fooled.

That "nazi and confederate stuff" that so upset you were a huge huge exception in a sea of peaceful Canadians (as I saw from films and pictures).

Find the Nazis here,
https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1492661430054645760

Here is something about that famous incident in the EXCLUSIVE HOTEL in Ottawa
https://twitter.com/AllanYo27841135/status/1531010707977740288

How many of these Nazi flag waving people were there ?????
https://twitter.com/Hayekolyte/status/1495443477924093961

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 7:40 utc | 70

Glenn Greenwald is starting a daily news/commentary show that will be free to watch and hosted on Rumble. The show will be called - SYSTEM UPDATE. I just watched the first episode of its 'beta' testing because I subscribe to Greenwald's substack and subscribers get access to the test run of the show. Certainly some kinks need to be worked out, but the potential for some truly spirited debate and factual opposition to power centers is intriguing. I think it will start officially at the beginning of December. Check out Rumble or Greenwald's substack page for more information.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Nov 18 2022 7:41 utc | 71

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Nov 18 2022 3:48 utc | 62

Never ending scams. The following video explains the scheme very nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkar4jn3JWw

Something happened to this video at some point and suddenly when it plays the orientation is vertical. I have no clue who's fault this is, but originally it was good. It is worth the time to watch it.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 8:07 utc | 72

james and the convoy choir — ok, I’m not going to lay out the entire argument. The point is that - I think - Trudeau is following Deep State advice from the Foreign Policy wonks. Remember when protests were attempts at regime change, and the unelected deep state was understood to rule over elected officials in the west?? Trudeau - a political animal, like him or not, like it or not - seems to be following the advice of his foreign policy advisors (with backing of / under pressure from Russia and China, by the way) to order to hold them accountable for it. Who exactly? Well her, for one. Not sure who else, I haven’t noticed. There are events which support this argument but I’m not going to script it all out. Just the conclusion - that’s what I think is happening. He’s not laundering the foreign policy advice from whatever mafia she represents, so to speak.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 18 2022 8:33 utc | 73

Maybe it's the wrong thread to post this here but anyway...

In case people haven't seen the new(?) overhead photo of the site of the
alleged missile impact:
Archive link to the photograph from Przewodow, Poland, near ex-Ukrainian border 20221115 © Wojtek Radwanski and Damien Simonart and AFP. Saw it in an RT article.

I don't know what to make of this myself, the whole scenario is such an odd one.

Yes the world is a very strange place and yes some people have the absolutely worst luck in the world and yes "the west" lies about so much nothing at all they say should carry any value and yes I haven't seen Russia actually confirm the overall narrative as such.

Thank you to all who ask questions about this whole incident, maybe they're right, maybe they're not, but either way thank you for trying to figure it out.

Something with explosive force flipped and threw the wagon filled with corn or wheat or whatever but the backhoe tractor is confusing, as is the crater.

Whatever exploded did so below the surface?

Doesn't all AA have proximity fuses that would trigger at the latest on impact thus barely breaking through the surface before detonating? Is this any different for "ground mode" in these Soviet systems?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 18 2022 9:28 utc | 74

fyi

https://www.indianpunchline.com/russia-strategises-with-iran-for-the-long-haul-in-ukraine/
Russia strategises with Iran for the long haul in Ukraine


"In a recent op-Ed in Nezavisimaya Gazeta, Russian Special Presidential Envoy for Afghanistan Zamir Kabulov....made a sensational disclosure that the US is blackmailing the Taliban leaders by threatening them with a drone attack unless they broke off contacts with Russia and China. He said, specifically, that the US and Britain are demanding that Kabul should refrain from restricting the activities of Afghanistan-based Uyghur terrorists."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 18 2022 9:29 utc | 75

It's still Friday here iust so I thought bein the traditional MoA arts day I'd offer a download of "Moonage Daydream" a David Bowie doco, tho the first one that doesn't suck, doesn't have some stentorian voice over wanking on about who the bloke really was but just features his music.
You can find a reasonable copy here

early 1972 I cannot remember if it was late Jan or early Feb one thing is for sure it was before NZ's (as it was then known) academic year had begun. This was the 1st of several temporary sojourns at Uni & I had been elected to the executive of the student union at Auckland Uni. This was the first of many positions I somehow 'won' back when I thought that was how to make change, that win more because my only opponent more than a decade older than meself was a total tosser who regarded winning elections as some sort of balm for his ego, than anything I offered, the voters knew this and acted accordingly. I was the lesser of two evils. Whilst intensely political I was still a child who knew fuck all.

Anyway I was hanging out at the campus with a few friends because one of my duties was to organise 'orientation' for the new students.

I had lined up a few bands to play at dances plus lined up the assorted clubs who wanted to introduce themselves to the students, most were eager to extol the virtues of bush tramping, kiwi sports eg rugby, netball & cricket or encouraging trotskyism/faux socialism/libertarianism etc, yoga but many of the more interesting likely to be in demand student clubs such as the computing, chess or diplomacy club really took some leaning on to find volunteers keen to inspire new students into their groove.

Taking a break down in the lower caff I bumped into a bloke who had helped me organise the live music for this orientation week; we got talking in our usual slightly competitive 'whose more aware of the scene than the other' when he asked me if I had listened to David Bowie's new album Hunky Dory yet. This was part of the game of course because as he knew I hadn't listened to any old David Bowie albums. Natch I couldn't admit that, especially once he said that the man was finally breaking in england.

I remained non-committal but this guy wasn't any sort of arsehole so without us ever acknowledging that A\ I had never heard of the bloke other than Space Oddity which while interesting I had regarded as just another pommie pop song and B\ my friend prolly felt the same until the week before when a contact in London had sent him a stack of Hunky Dory discs - he passed me one of them and said 'listen to this'.

I took it back to the dive I was occupying along with a mob of other types and we listened to it. Opinion about the house was divided but right from Changes on I was hooked.

Still then as now I was much more into politics than art - yeah, yeah I geddit I'm a splitter, nevertheless from then on I made sure I kept an eye on the bloke because what he did do wasn't riddled with dialectic but it was political, in a way that the who singing "won't get fooled again" wasn't. IMO Bowie was singing about real, concrete situations rather than abstract beliefs.

I seem to remember that when Ziggy Stardust came out a few months later, I had a bit of a rethink because I wasn't sure if Bowie was having a lend of gay men (aka poofters as they were usually referred to back then), same as the trotskyists had the year before when they had tried to co-opt the gay liberation front into their cause.

Was this bloke genuine or was he just using the oppression of these other blokes to sell his records? When I asked around the gay men I knew they were all "He's great, he's the first famous person to make us feel good about ourselves" etc. Fair enough then - 'cos it was a great album.

I didn't get to see the chap perform until 1976 not long after I arrived in england. That was his "Thin White Duke" experiment with acting out a fascist personality. That concert was problematic for me as not only were the politics of it obnoxious the whole thing felt too contrived, the music was sterile and he kicked off the gig with an old film by Luis Buñuel and Salvador Dalí which was as you'd expect from those two frauds also contrived.

Still station to station was like most of Bowie's work, well worth a listen or 157.

I followed the guy's music right up until he died.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 18 2022 10:12 utc | 76

Republicofscotland #23

"the reason for it is that Cuba is a successful socialist country, and they don't like that."


https://www.mintpressnews.com/real-reaso-us-embargo-against-cuba/282742/

Not only is it a successful socialist country but it also took their lolly away. The USA and Israel had more casinos and brothels under management in Cuba and then one day Fidel and the team reversed the nations degradation and made it into a people with enormous self respect. That is truly unacceptable to the mafia creeps that run the USA.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 18 2022 10:28 utc | 77

Hugo [3]

Considering the century-old mentality of the English counterintelligence services. I find this whole involvement very strange.

Your Use of English is very idiosyncratic and confusing. Are you implying British "Counter-Intelligence" which is MI5 or "British Intelligence - Foreign Station" which is MI6 ?

I frankly do not understand what you write...........as for Iran and Saudi Arabia, you should learn something about the Middle East - the areas of Saudi Arabia where oil fields are found is predominantly SHIA not SUNNI. The areas of Muslim "holy Places" in Saudi were originally under the Sharif of Mecca from 10th Century and the Hashemites were SHIA.

They later converted to SUNNI and were still Kings of Syria, Iraq, Jordan and the Hejaz. Ibn Saud seized the "Holy Places" in 1925 from the Hashemites.

King of Iraq was murdered 1958.

This area is not neatly packaged in the way Western lazy thinkers like to imagine. Saudi Arabia is a Family with a Flag nothing more. It is as if The King Ranch owned Texas

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 18 2022 11:26 utc | 78

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 18 2022 9:28 utc | 74

Hats off to you for finding it first. I saw the photo on CNN site today and posted it here

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-open-thread-2022-201.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02af14a653ac200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02af14a653ac200b

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 13:25 utc | 79

Nice piece on Saker site:


The Future

The American Empire is truly a giant, but truly with feet of clay. The Empire is all based on the virtual reality of Psyops, not on reality. And the real rock of Russia is hitting the giant. And this how the New World Order is being born. It means the gradual end of the American Empire and all the fakes and clubs dependent on it, the UN, NATO, the EU, the IMF, the World Bank, the G7 and the G20, of which latter it has already lost control. They are all being destroyed by the Ukraine, which is the giant’s feet of clay.

Tsar Nicholas II founded the Tran-Siberian Railway, which connects Moscow to Beijing in six days. It is the symbolic foundation of the real New World Order, which will run from Beijing to Moscow, including Tehran and New Delhi, and reach Berlin. For Berlin is the real capital of Europe, and not the overgrown village of Brussels. When the Beijing-Moscow-Berlin axis is formed, even the UK, its absurd anti-English British Establishment by then deposed, will want to join it.

In order to survive, that is to join the multipolar New World Order of the seven billion, the Great Rest, the tiny west, the one billion remaining, will have to eat humble pie. It has already started. The New World Order will be global, but not globalist, imperial, but not imperialist, just, but not woke, based on values that are traditional and universal and human. If I may quote from that great speech of President Putin, made on of 30 September this year, these are the values:

The battlefield to which destiny and history have called us is a battlefield for our people…for the great historical Russia, for future generations, our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We must protect them against enslavement and monstrous experiments that are designed to cripple their minds and souls….Today, we need a consolidated society, and this consolidation can only be based on sovereignty, freedom, creation, and justice. Our values ​​are humanity, mercy and compassion.

17 November 2022


https://thesaker.is/towards-the-real-new-world-order/

=======================================

Putin mentioned 'creation' in a recent speech. It refers to the non-entropy theme discussed by Crooke, Ehret and some of us here a few days ago, namely the limitless, spontaneous fecundity of the continuously self-copulating-and-birthing universe. A polity organized around benefiting the lives of its people has virtually no limit as to how well and how far they can go. A basically good and commendable view.

My reservation involves the proliferation of weapons of mass surveillance and control now emerging world wide involving digital currencies, ID's, vaccine passports and so on. The above rhetoric is very positive but the tech coming along with it all is so easy for corrupt networks to control that I fear much will end up as no more than yet another promising, utopian pipe dream. More harm has been done in the name of utopias....

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 14:00 utc | 80

PS.

"You either understand history or you trust the government; you cannot do both."

https://sitrepworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/f881f1f4-0c7f-4938-9c88-2664c1f096db_750x702.jpg

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 14:04 utc | 81

My reservation involves the proliferation of weapons of mass surveillance and control now emerging world wide involving digital currencies, ID's, vaccine passports and so on. The above rhetoric is very positive but the tech coming along with it all is so easy for corrupt networks to control that I fear much will end up as no more than yet another promising, utopian pipe dream. More harm has been done in the name of utopias...

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 14:00 utc | 80

I'd summarize it like this, "The new shit is the same as the old shit."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9CjBtv7j78

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 14:22 utc | 82

Good one!
Yes, am no longer able to be a cheerleader for any Big Promise. They nearly always end up betraying their True Believers.
Who never see the light and follow their Messiahs into the Dark.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 14:38 utc | 83

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 14:38 utc | 83

The Big Promises are the honey trap.

I strongly doubt we even need Big Pharma and all that BS high tech junk in the hospitals. The end results when you go into them is that you come out forever chained to pill taking.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/11/lost-8th-century-japanese-medical-text-by-buddhist-monk-has-been-found/

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 14:59 utc | 84

@ Bruised Northerner | Nov 18 2022 8:33 utc | 73

hey! i agree with you on trudeau and who and what he is following..

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 15:24 utc | 85

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 14:59 utc | 84

I met a teacher whose grandfather took her walking in the mountains for herbs. She can tell the medicinal qualities of all plants by shape, location, smell and taste, knowing which parts (leaves, stems, roots) will have which qualities. Science based on an appreciation of mind and perception has no bottom, is much more fun and doesn't depend upon mechanical contraptions.

Big Pharma, like war, is a racket and iatrogenically caused deaths are high up there - as 2020 demonstrated in spades. Heck if the biolab element is accurate, then the entire thing was an iatrogenic disaster of epic proportions, though personally I don't believe a word of anything written about it one way or another. Nothing is verifiable. Like with US elections!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 15:39 utc | 86

Scorpion

Not sure why Berlin is seen as part of that network simply because to access Berlin you go through Poland. Berlin is 60 miles from the Polish border.

If I were linking China and Russia to Germany I would go to Dresden in Saxony and through Czechia

Dresden is much more pro-Russian than Berlin politics
And is industrial

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 18 2022 16:15 utc | 87

Hi james @ 85

I was thinking Canada’s really low-hanging fruit for Russia and China. If they can’t impose their will on this country, then superpowers they ain’t, and the west will be mostly off limits for them.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 18 2022 16:27 utc | 88

I think it was Heisenberg who said that the opposite of a great idea could also be a great idea.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Nov 18 2022 5:31 utc | 66

I seem to recall a similar quote attributed to Niels Bohr: "The opposite of a profound truth might be another profound truth."

Posted by: David Levin | Nov 18 2022 16:28 utc | 89

@ Bruised Northerner | Nov 18 2022 16:27 utc | 88

true! we need stronger leadership in canada then we are going to get also.. i see no hope in the present leadership of the main parties.

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 16:51 utc | 90

Dresden is much more pro-Russian than Berlin politics
And is industrial

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 18 2022 16:15 utc | 87

Good point! Perhaps simply because there has been this vision of 'Vladivostok (via Beijing) to Berlin' for so long? And more linkage between Berlin and Moscow would make sense given Dresden is rather small in comparison. As to political climate: assuming the Germans were buying-into Belt and Road then the politics would doubtless have changed, especially since that assumes Germany having first cut excessive submission to their post-war occupiers.

My (German) son is now in the final stages of negotiating a pretty nice position with Mercedes. He tells me they are focusing most of their attention on China right now since that's where their growth comes from and also pivoting to the high-end product lines for the same reason.

The Chinese and Germans have a long history going back to early on in the industrial revolution. Indeed, have been hoping for a Germany-Russia-China understanding for many years now and believe that much of this Ukraine business was deliberately provoked to prevent it naturally unfolding. Hopefully it will soon get back on track.

In any case, if he does get a good position there, I suspect he'll make very good money and also be able to stay with them for a long time if he so desires since their future, by emphasizing the China market, will probably be as bright in this century as it was in the last.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 16:58 utc | 91

indian punchline is worth reading today..

The G20 is dead. Long live the G20

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 16:58 utc | 92

Below is the posting title from a ZH piece that I have been waiting to see more of

Foreign Central Banks Continue To Dump US Treasuries At A Record Pace

The sub title of the article

Japan and China Biggest Monthly Treasury Dump On Record

This is a necessary part of what brings down empire

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 18 2022 17:16 utc | 93

Posted by: james | Nov 18 2022 16:58 utc | 92

James can you or someone else smarter than me explain how Russia "relented" at G20.

" Unless the intransigent West was appeased on Ukraine issue, there could be no Bali declaration, so, Russia relented.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 17:17 utc | 94

Still station to station was like most of Bowie's work, well worth a listen or 157. I followed the guy's music right up until he died.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 18 2022 10:12 utc | 76

In '73-4 I was living in Cambridge (at the excellent Polytechnic there preparing for the Oxbridge Entrance Examination) and ended up renting a room in a house full of quiet and orderly junkies (as I later found out when tripping one day!). They played Bowie a lot - Aladdin Sane I think - plus Floyd's Dark Side. Again and again and again. Hadn't listened to Bowie much before because of the glam-rock facade. Too sparkly and poofter for my taste. But hearing it again and again in the house I did come to like him better.

In any case, I downloaded your link and have watched a little and it's a VERY good production just like you said, so thank you. I thought his last video just before dying was uber-cool, if a little sad. He had a lot of class the whole way through.

As time goes by, though, I find I love Baroque and Classic best, followed by jazz and rock less and less unless it's great backbeat dance or driving music. Most rock now sounds poorly constructed and shallow. That said, for some reason Dylan rises above them all year by year. Strange man, great artist. Man of his times. Quintessentially American and yet not really. National treasure in any case.

Again, thxs.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 17:18 utc | 95

I remember this actor making this commercial. Do you ???

https://twitter.com/hugh_mankind/status/1593617944038236162

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 17:35 utc | 96

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 17:17 utc | 94

Re: " Unless the intransigent West was appeased on Ukraine issue, there could be no Bali declaration, so, Russia relented.

Lavrov left a day early because he couldn't agree to the censorious tone adopted by the joint Declaration which blamed Russia for the kinetics in Ukraine. It was watered down somewhat but not enough for Lavrov. But the G7/West insisted on this otherwise there could be no united front presented at the end (which for some reason was regarded as essential).

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 17:43 utc | 97

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 18 2022 14:59 utc | 84


Neat. Thxs.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2022 17:44 utc | 98

Be fruitful and multiply?


After five years of denials, Israeli government officials have admitted to targeting Ethiopian Jewish immigrant women with long-acting contraceptive injections without their consent. Most of the women were either coerced into accepting the Depo Provera injections while living in Israeli-run transit camps in Ethiopia, or were unaware that the injections produced temporary sterilization.

This controversy first surfaced in 2008, when Sebba Reuven interviewed 35 Ethiopian women awaiting immigration to Israel. Some of their stories were included in a report by Israeli investigative journalist Gal Gabbay that aired several weeks ago on Israeli Educational Television. One Ethiopian woman explained:

We said we won’t have the shot. They told us, “if you don’t you won’t go to Israel…you won’t get aid or medical care.” We were afraid…We didn’t have a choice. Without them and their aid we couldn’t leave there. So we accepted the injection. It was only with their permission that we were allowed to leave.

After arriving in Israel, the Ethiopian immigrants still received Depo Provera in disproportionate numbers in the HMOs providing health care services. According to a report by Hedva Eyal at Isha L’Isha
, a feminist organization in Haifa, among the 4833 Israeli women injected with Depo Provera between 2005 and 2008, 57% were of Ethiopian origin—yet Ethiopians comprise less than 2% of the population. Over the past 10 years, Ethiopians in Israel have experienced a 50% decline in birthrate.

Israel Admits Targeting Ethiopian Jews for Compulsory Contraception

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2022 17:46 utc | 99

From the Gateway to Madness known as San Francisco comes the Guaranteed Income for Trans People (GIFT) Program. The application begins,

Lyon-Martin Community Health Services & The Transgender District, in partnership with the Mayor’s Office of Trans Initiatives, the San Francisco Treasury, and the Mayor’s Office of Housing & Community Development is proud to present the first Guaranteed Income Program specifically for Transgender people. GIFT is a financial assistance program for low-income Transgender, Non-Binary, Gender Non-Conforming, and Intersex (TGI) people who reside in the City and County of San Francisco, CA. This program is currently only available for those 18 years of age and older.

If enrolled, the City and County of San Francisco will provide $1,200.00 per month to those who maintain eligibility for the program for 18 months. Eligibility is determined based on multiple factors including city of residence, income, priority population, and availability of funds. You may use the funds to pay for anything. The only additional requirement to stay enrolled in the program is the completion of a survey every 3 months.

The application lists 15 combinations of nominative/objective/possessive pronouns and more than 90 genders, including Dilbaa, Winkte, and Ninauposkitzipxpe.

Posted by: David Levin | Nov 18 2022 17:47 utc | 100

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