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November 2, 2022
Biden Administration Again Plants False Nuclear Scare Stories

Last month I dissected the fear mongering the Biden administration released over alleged Russian nuclear threads:

[The report] quotes Biden as saying: "[Putin] is not joking when he talks about potential use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons because his military is you might say is significantly underperforming."

Fact is that Putin has not talked about the "potential use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons." Not. At. All.

All the war mongering talk and reports about Russia's alleged threat of nuclear weapon use in Ukraine is totally unfounded. That 'western' media suddenly engage in it shows that it is part of a well directed propaganda campaign.

I speculated that the intent of the campaign was to prepare for some false flag incident in Ukraine.

Two weeks later the Russian secret services found out that Ukraine was preparing a 'dirty bomb' which would spread radioactive substances with the help of chemical explosives. Such bombs are not a meaningful military threat but have a high 'scare' value. If it would use one of those the Ukraine would surely blame Russia for launching such a bomb.

When the Kremlin found out what Ukraine had planned it order Russia's Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu and Chief of its General Staff Valery Gerasimov to call their peers in the U.S., Turkey, Britain and France. Shoigu called U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin even twice:

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke with U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on Sunday for the second time in three days and held a flurry of calls with three other counterparts from NATO countries.

Moscow provided no details on the conversation with Austin, which came after the two men spoke on Friday for the first time since May. Its readouts on the other calls said Shoigu had said the situation in Ukraine was worsening.

Shoigu spoke separately to Turkey's defence minister, Hulusi Akar, and Britain's Ben Wallace.

Shoigu's ministry said he had told his French, Turkish and British counterparts of Moscow's concern that Ukraine could detonate a "dirty bomb" – a device laced with radioactive material. Russia has provided no evidence to substantiate such a claim.

Calls on such high levels are only done for serious business. They are not done for propaganda value or to warn of non-existing threats. The fact that these calls happened means that the threat from Ukraine was real.

The calls seemed to have had the desired effect. For a few days the talk of a 'dirty bomb' calmed down. It has now been revived.

Today the Washington Post as well as the New York Times are back fear mongering about alleged threats which Russia has never made. Both stories are based on 'administration officials' meaning that the Biden administration has planted these stories.

Russia’s ‘dirty bomb’ threats challenge the nuclear calculusWaPo
U.S. officials still maintain that Moscow is unlikely to go nuclear in Ukraine. But Washington doesn’t have many good options to prevent Putin’s worst intentions.

The dirty bomb speculation is tied to comments made by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, and repeated last week by Putin, suggesting Ukraine planned to detonate a device loaded with fissile material on its own territory. U.S. officials believe it is more likely that Russia’s warnings were in fact the opening steps of a false flag operation, signaling the Kremlin’s intentions to use such a weapon and blame Ukrainians for the fallout, literally.

Russian Military Leaders Discussed Use of Nuclear Weapons, U.S. Officials SayNYT
The conversations alarmed the Biden administration because they showed how frustrated Moscow had become over its battlefield setbacks in Ukraine.

Senior Russian military leaders recently had conversations to discuss when and how Moscow might use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine, contributing to heightened concern in Washington and allied capitals, according to multiple senior American officials.

President Vladimir V. Putin was not a part of the conversations, which were held against the backdrop of Russia’s intensifying nuclear rhetoric and battlefield setbacks.

Russia has not intensified its nuclear rhetoric and, since the Ukraine's push into the empty east Kharkov region came to a halt in late September, has not seen any recent battlefield setbacks. All attempts by Ukraine to break through the front lines have since been defeated at high cost for the attacking Ukrainian units.

Russia is in fact strengthening its front lines as more and more of the 300,000 mobilized reservists join its forces. It has degraded the Ukraine's transport and communication infrastructure by destroying some 40% of the countries 330 kilovolt electric substations. The destroyed transformers are Soviet era equipment without a 'western' substitute and there is no timely way for Ukraine to replace them. Russia has done this on the cheap by using Iranian suicide drones. In exchange Iran will receive SU-35 fighter jets. The financial damage of these strikes to Ukraine is much higher than the costs are for Russia.

There is absolutely no reason for Russia to think of using anything nuclear. It would contradict its policies and doctrines without giving it any advantage.

If in mid October Russian military leaders indeed talked to each other about something nuclear it is much more likely that they talked about Ukrainian or U.S. weapons than of the ones their country owns.

The core question in all this remains the same as a month ago. Why is the Biden administration doing this? Why is planting stories about non-existing 'Russian threats'?

During a recent talk Russia's president Vladimir Putin gave at the Valdai Club he was asked the same question. He answered it:

Ivan Safranchuk: Ivan Safranchuk, MGIMO University.

Nuclear rhetoric has intensified greatly as of late. Ukraine has moved from irresponsible statements to the practical preparation of a nuclear provocation; representatives of the United States and the United Kingdom are making statements with suggestions of the possible use of nuclear weapons.

Biden, let’s say, speaks about nuclear Armageddon, and straight away there are comments in the US that there is nothing to fear. At the same time, the United States is hurrying to deploy modernised tactical nuclear bombs in Europe. It looks like they are rattling the sabre while refusing to acknowledge the lessons of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Mr President, could you please comment, is it true that the world is on the verge of the possible use of nuclear weapons? How will Russia act in these circumstances, given that it is a responsible nuclear state?

Thank you.

Vladimir Putin: Look, as long as nuclear weapons exist, there will always be a danger that they could be used. This is the first thing.

Second, the goal of the current fuss around such threats and the potential use of nuclear weapons is very primitive, and I would probably be not mistaken when I explain what this is about.

I already said that the dictate of the Western countries and their attempts to apply pressure on all the participants of international communication, including countries that are neutral or friendly to us, are achieving nothing, and they are looking for additional arguments to convince our friends or neutral states that they all need to confront Russia collectively.

Nuclear provocation and the inflaming of the possibility that Russia might theoretically use nuclear weapons are being used to reach these goals: to influence our friends, our allies, and neutral states by telling them, look at whom you support; Russia is such a scary country, do not support it, do not cooperate with it, do not trade with it. This is, in fact, a primitive goal.

What is happening in reality? After all, we have never said anything proactively about Russia potentially using nuclear weapons. All we did was hint in response to statements made by Western leaders.

As for Russia…We have the Military Doctrine, and they should read it. One of its articles explains the cases when, why, in relation to what and how Russia considers it possible to use weapons of mass destruction in the form of nuclear weapons to protect its sovereignty, territorial integrity and to ensure the safety of the Russian people.

The answer Putin gave seems plausible to me. I still have to find a better one.

To me this looks all very low-brow, demented and indeed primitive. When one reads these planted stories and checks their veracity one ends up shaking ones head. No serious person or foreign country will be influenced by such nonsense.

What the stories really show is that the neocons in the Biden administration have no real instruments left and no abilities to influence the execution of further Russian plans in Ukraine. In a month or two, when Russian troops will throw the Ukrainian army out of Donetsk and other regions, there will be nothing left for them to say.

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I am not surprised that the US is again talking about Russia using nuclear weapons. It’s like a schoolyard bully trashtalking from a distance afraid he will get his ass kicked, as his gang gets beaten up one by one. Kherson was a failure. Kharkov was a failure. Kerch…Yup! Sevastopol. Yup! BRICS seems to have a brigher future, with Brazil joining up and other countries. Russia is on a roll as I write here https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/russia-is-on-a-roll

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Nov 3 2022 5:26 utc | 101

re bevin | Nov 2 2022 23:44 utc | 108
Sorry bloke but I reckon you came at Slothrop/Johnson from the wrong angle. The idjit wannabe lefty who claims that nationalism is the cause of counter revolutionary activity just happens to be a jewish nationalist, hence his example of the Iron Forge dickhead as being the ultimate in rightist ideology when the wimp forge is just another racist ie just a one size only tool of fascism rather than the real deal.
Johnson is forever trying to square the circle of socialism/ Occupied Palestine’s rampant judeo-nationalism, so he falls back on scum like the amerikan dems because although they aren’t in the least leftist they are all about judeo-nationalism in their mindless support of temporary ersatz state israel.
The bloke will likely claim that the demise of the judeo-nationalist israeli labour party is in fact a temporary state of affairs rather than the reality, that the oppression that the occupiers of Palestine have always indulged – yes even when the labour party claimed to be the government, is the act of a cruelly committed fascist doctrine as it has always been right from the getgo when the englander government eager to avoid a surfeit of jewish immigration in their own nation ‘opened up’ their Palestine colony to jews, bugger what the indigenous population wanted.
Once you understand Johnson operates from an untenable ideological position the inherent contradictions in his posts don’t make any more sense but their motives are more comprehensible.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 3 2022 5:31 utc | 102

WW1 was stalemated in 1916 and continued even after Brest-Litovsk imposed German chaos on Russia and Lenin had to swallow the bitter pill.
USA prolonged that war by entering in the final months and getting at seat at the Versailles Table where Wilson created a New Central Europe and walked away leaving everything to fester – and Herbert Hoover to feed the starving populations.
WW2 would have been avoided had Britain actually negotiated with Molotov – Litvinov had proposed an alliance in April 1939 – but Molotov bounced down the corridor between Ribbentrop and Admiral The Honourable Sir Reginald Aylmer Ranfurly Plunkett-Ernle-Erle-Drax who had no negotiating mandate and decided the British were time-wasters.
European History of 20th Century was a consequence of inability to grasp calamity as an outcome and a fundamental lack of pragmatism
Now the US has imposed an ideological strait-jacket just as much as the Brezhnev Doctrine once did in the East of Europe.
Politicians used to hiding behind NATO, EU, IMF, WEF, UN and signing up to ill-considered schemes like Mafia Families have a convocation to agree on garbage contracts and union scams – are unable to impose personality or will – because they are ciphers of US policy nothing more.
US is run by a cabal detached from consequences. It is the ultimate doomsday set up. Just watch John Carpenter “They Live”

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Nov 3 2022 6:50 utc | 103

Apparently Russia has already”intercepted” a dirty bomb at the start of the conflict. At least according to this YT channel, there’s also pictures here of some kind of radioactive device “shot” at Russian/dpr troops. Super interesting channel.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeCoNnQ8PQ

Posted by: t | Nov 3 2022 7:04 utc | 104

The dim developments in EU economy is also another major factor playing into these false nuclear scares.
France’s largest glass manufacturer Duralex has suspended work for 5 months due to surging electricity bills, the
CEO-“Our gas and electricity bills have increased from 3 to 13 million euros per year”

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1588096199508516864
Btw, Germany has been selling/sending off some valuable assets to the Chinese, from strategic ports, and now BASF rumored to be moving there. Wonder why? Perhaps they are well aware that asset prices will plunge heavily due to US imposed actions on EU and Germany. and US intends to buy them for cheap, so they are selling now while they still can get a good price for them.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 3 2022 9:18 utc | 105

bevin @92: “You’re new to the business of pretending to be a revolutionary aren’t you, Steve?”
He’s been pretending that for years. He’s just not very good at it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 3 2022 9:21 utc | 106

If someone already posted this, apologies. It is somewhat entertaining, might make some folks smile and/or relax.
The New Cuban Missile Crisis That Isn’t
14048 Views November 02, 2022 26 Comments
by Dmitri Orlov for the Saker blog
These new weapons, of which more later, guarantee that any nuclear attack on Russia would be a suicidal move. That is, the West has no way of reliably destroying Russia (it is too big and its economic core is too independent and too well defended with air and space defense systems) while Russia can reliably destroy the West (which is not nearly as well defended) but will not do so unless the West attacks first. Unlike back in the old Soviet days, Russia has no missionary zeal; it is happy to sit back and watch the West starve itself (due to a lack of Russian chemical fertilizer) in the dark (due to a lack of Russian oil and gas). All it wants to do is gather the pieces of the shattered Russian world and all the people and lands that the collapse of the USSR abandoned behind some Bolshevik-decreed border. In this situation, the risk of a nuclear war is pretty much zero. Please sit back, take a series of deep breaths and let the good news soak in. Feel the joy.
[…]
The Russian nuclear sub Belgorod recently sailed off into the blue, causing a bit of a panic within NATO. It carries a number of the new Poseidon nuclear-powered drone torpedos, which are all about the number 100. Each of them carries a charge of 100 megatons. Poseidons have almost infinite range, move at around 100 km/h at a depth of 1000m (three times deeper than any nuclear sub) and when detonated near an underwater coastal ridge can raise a 100-meter tsunami. Just five of them are sufficient to demolish both coasts of the US and all of Northern Europe. These would be underwater nuclear tests conducted in international waters—antisocial, yes, but not exactly direct nuclear strikes on anyone’s territory, so hardly a casus belli. And the ensuing tsunami? Uh-oh! Oopsie-daisy, sorry about that! Nobody is going to write “in case of tsunami destroy Russia” into the US nuclear doctrine. Best of all, Poseidons can lie in wait for years, surfacing periodically to receive new orders. But if Russia is destroyed they will rise up and destroy the rest of the world world, because “What use is the world if there is no Russia in it?” (V. Putin)
We can be sure that the Russians won’t launch a nuclear war because it’s risky and they don’t have to take that risk in order to win. We can be sure that the Americans won’t launch one because it would be suicide. And so we can all sit back and relax while the “Putin’s nuclear blackmail” narrative-mongers bark their stupid heads off. As for all those assorted media whores who are scaring people with their nuclear nonsense in order to catch some hype—shame on them!

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 3 2022 9:35 utc | 107

… De Gaulle’s grave has barbecue spit properties now.
Posted by: Anthony | Nov 2 2022 21:48 utc | 73

One wonders what fate the French establishment is seeking to avoid by this obscene act?

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 3 2022 9:47 utc | 108

@Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 3 2022 9:35 utc | 112
100 MT TNT equivalent is only the impact energy of a 140m dense rock asteroid entering at 45 degree angle with a velocity of 20km / sec (google “Earth Impact Effects Program”).
The total energy is much bigger, but mostly dissipated in the atmosphere. The height of the tsunami tapers off quickly with distance. At 20km the estimate is 50 feet.
The energy injected into the atmosphere will likely also contribute to the crater formation in the water which is responsible for the ensuing tsunami.
All in all the poseidon generated tsunami will be a problem but not as global as you state.

Posted by: bottle | Nov 3 2022 10:11 utc | 109

Dmitri Orlov can be opinionated but he can also be droll.
I particularly liked this comment from his latest piece (in the clear from thesaker)
“The purpose of a nuclear sub is to be stealthy because Russian air defense systems can intercept Trident II missiles especially well if they know where they are coming from. Thus, the act of surfacing and holding parades on deck basically announces to the world that the sub is off-duty for the time being.
Why would the Americans do this? Is this a clumsy peace gesture, a cryptic act of surrender or a veiled cry for help? 😀

Posted by: Tim | Nov 3 2022 10:14 utc | 110

.. They are wrong, but by the time they realize that. It will be too late.
Posted by: Hermit | Nov 2 2022 23:43 utc | 91

Stonebird mentioned, in a previous thread, UK news reports, from various locations, of long term ground noises and vibrations: given the timing and context these are suspected to be secret tunnel boring operations to excavate bunker space for the Great & Good of the UK Establishment.
But to what end? Quite aside from the prejudicial psychological characteristics of the eligible population (britgov scabs and their hangers-on), any successful nuclear attack on the UK would render the exercise futile.
I can only assume these bunker projects, if they exists, are money spinners for security cleared contractors and props intended to create a false sense of security in the minds of dim-wited politicos, that they might charge all the more heedlessly into the apocalypse.
It is another aspect of the alternate universe of the political sphere. I would further conjecture that those with bunker space well away from hot zones like the UK are laughing under their breath at the cretinous filth of the UK ruling class, while labouring under their own delusions of survivability.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 3 2022 10:36 utc | 111

Hermit @91
I know that many among the imperial oligarchy and their top professional/managerial class lieutenants are stupid and delusional enough to believe they will emerge unscathed from their bunkers after a cataclysmic event like a major nuclear exchange, so I am not writing to call your post into doubt. I just want to expand on the notion that some elements among the commanding heights of the economy seem to believe that a significant reduction in global population is needed.
While this explains the willingness to play with inherently unpredictable depopulation tools like bioweapons (the Covid, among others), it also covers the hard sell that LGBTQWERTY+ “identities” have been getting among western young people. Presumably, between 20% and 40% of current college students in the West now identify as, let us be charitable, “sexually non-traditional”. This means they won’t be reproducing. “Yay!” for population reduction!
Of course this growing gayness in the West is not a revelation of a longstanding but hidden natural preference in the population because that preference would have expressed itself in population decline long ago. The gayness is being manufactured by the same tools used to manufacture consent for wars and reproduce culture. Specifically, kindergarten children and younger are being methodically “groomed” for gayness on an industrial scale.
Some might argue that is to satisfy the weird gay pedophile tendencies among the elites, but I would say it is just to take kids out of the future breeding population. Encouraging genital mutilation/amputation and chemical sterilization of prepubescent children (“gender-affirming care”) serves this function as well.
Of course this cannot actually work at population reduction as it primarily only targets children from white middle class communities, but it is easy to see how the elites view that demographic as the cultural trend-setters, so perhaps they believe Latinos, Blacks, and the white “deplorable” working class will jump on that bandwagon as well. They are delusional enough to believe stupid things like that.
And perhaps this is why the elites are happy with feeding the entire Ukrainian population into the meat grinder? Let’s face it, the Ukraine is some very fine real estate. There are excellent reasons why the Soviet Union chose that region to try and build the perfect country in. To convert it into an idyllic capitalist paradise for the rich it will first have to be cleansed of useless eaters and breeders (Ukrainians, mostly the males). From this perspective the otherwise senseless waste of hundreds of thousands of hapless terbats makes a kind of sense.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 3 2022 10:38 utc | 112

On dirty bombs I’ve read that Saddam Hussein detonated one in Iraq to test its potency during the height of Iraq’s war with Iran, he found the results disappointing. Also, the Israeli’s detonated at least twelve dirty bombs in the Negev, they also found the physical results of the detonations disappointing, and came to the conclusion that the mental threat from the thought of a dirty bomb far outweighed the physical one.
I’d add that the threat of disaster from the destruction of a nuclear power plant is very real, as Chernobyl has shown, and the Ukrainian forces know this, and that’s why they continue to sacrifice troops and resources to either destroy or capture the ZNPP.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Nov 3 2022 10:52 utc | 113

why on Earth is Tony still posting his endless repeat autobiography on threads that are specific subjects rather than the “anything else” type of threads?????
Come on Tony you can do better.

Posted by: Jo | Nov 3 2022 10:57 utc | 114

republicofscotland @ 119
Was thinking of posting a comment along those same lines. Regarding Chernobyl, beyond the exclusion zone there were somewhat large hotspots in Bavaria and Lapland. Minor hotspots all over Europe in completely unpredictable patterns. This is why a dirty bomb is militarily worthless. It does not mean they do nothing. Too much commentary goes direct from ‘militarily useless’ to ‘does nothing at all’. Ukraineand other have plenty of plutonium rich waste. A dirty bomb could be very nasty. And it would be some time before anyone even knew who in which locations were taking the hit.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 3 2022 11:18 utc | 115

@Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 3 2022 10:38 utc | 118
Such an approach to depopulation is too slow and the reach of its methods to small: it can only reach western developed populations that are not breeding that fast anyway.
The true purpose of this is to unmoore the middle class from all principles and traditions to put them into a rootless free floating state of confusion in which it can more easily be destroyed.
The middle class is the principal enemy of the elites, the underclass the elite’s ally.
Depopulation can (and will) only reasonably be effected via a pandemic. This explains the haste and urgency with which the global mRNA experiment is undertaken. The global depopulation will proceed as soon as confidence in the safety and efficacy of these “vaccines” has reached a satisfactory level.
At that point, what you will get will not be that.

Posted by: bottle | Nov 3 2022 11:18 utc | 116

republicofscotland @ 119
Was thinking of posting a comment along those same lines. Regarding Chernobyl, beyond the exclusion zone there were somewhat large hotspots in Bavaria and Lapland. Minor hotspots all over Europe in completely unpredictable patterns. This is why a dirty bomb is militarily worthless. It does not mean they do nothing. Too much commentary goes direct from ‘militarily useless’ to ‘does nothing at all’. Ukraineand other have plenty of plutonium rich waste. A dirty bomb could be very nasty. And it would be some time before anyone even knew who in which locations were taking the hit.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 3 2022 11:18 utc | 117

“watch the West starve itself (due to a lack of Russian chemical fertilizer) ” somewhat unexpectedly, wheat production increased, it seems that in the prior years, the use of fertilizers was excessive

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 3 2022 11:36 utc | 118

I just read that Imran Khan survived an assassination-attempt in Wazirabad.
Brandon seems to get desperate.

Posted by: Goingo | Nov 3 2022 11:44 utc | 119

@ Goingo 125
Kashmiris tell me that the US controls an area of Pakistani Kashmir the size of England as a military exclusion zone.
The officers’ children are educated in private schools and as ever they area is connected to clans.
The person who told me this was boasting that Pakistani – US poodling had created a separate nation within a nation whose jifestyle rivalled Britain’s. The racism against the British, who Poodled these people for 250 years, has been replaced by the yanks who are poodling them now.
The lerve being Poodles. It’s worth noting that only the level of violence perpetrated by the Taliban in Afghanistan can free a country from the Poodles and poodles.
The US is no longer in Afghanistan.
Imran Khan is no poodle, so we can expect events in Ukraine and the formation of the SCO to catalyse resistance to both the US Poodlers and the fake Salafi poodles of the region.
Nobody can control another country without local poodles helping them. But in every country the queue lining up to be poodles is longer than the queue to drive the Poodlers and poodles out of town.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 3 2022 12:43 utc | 120

I see. Refreshing the page doesn’t refresh and update it. You have to go previous page and then to next page , to properly refresh the page and see that your post has in fact worked. Sorry for cloudless posting

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 3 2022 12:52 utc | 121

Trying to guess the Biden administration’s endgame is like staring into the abyss.
With midterms a mere 5 days away, there is absolutely nothing that will change the outcome, whatever it is.
So what’s all this escalation for?
I for one, do not trust the republicans for even a second. Even if far right republicans obtain gains they’ll likely be lured into agreeung to send aid to Ukraine with lucrative deals/bribes from the defense industry and other corrupt machinations of the establishment democrats & republicans (aka the deep state).
So we have a congress that cannot agree on anything in terms of domestic policies but continues to send money to Ukraine.
To what end?
What’s even more frightening is the one thing both republicans and democrats agree on is China.
That antagonization againt China will continue. Likely escalate.
If sane leadership does not prevail in the US, the horrific events of the year 2023 will overshadow events of 2020, 2021, 2022 as recorded in history books.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Nov 3 2022 14:56 utc | 122

William Gruff@118 and bottle@122 are ridiculous, to be charitable. The primary reason for lower population growth in economically advanced countries is the inability of the declining capitalism to provide a sufficient standard of living for the working class. After all, when the society insists on portraying everyone as “middle” class, or PMC, or whatever idiocy you prefer, then a mere workers’ wage (for both husband and wife) is not enough to meet standards. Women don’t much care to have children they can’t provide for. (I would say men too but soulless comments here make me cautious in attributing decent human sympathies to men.) It’s often called the “demographic transition.” Losers who can’t pay for their children are not regarded as prime family men.
This is a standard fascist trope. It’s one of the premises of the “Great Replacement” theory. The real working class is of course multiracial, but the imaginary *white* working class is allegedly being replaced by racial inferiors. Of course the more diplomatic among them just say the interlopers aren’t racially inferior, they’re just evil Democrats, i.e., Socialists because fascists are crazed anti-Communists.
The notion of grooming is one of the sillier and sleazier current feminist tropes, rooted in an unwholesome combination of identity politics and sexual prudery. Since this kind of feminism though is anti-Communist too, then fascists don’t mind borrowing it. The right-wing nut jobs love to judo the Commies, especially the ones they only imagine to be Commies. They think they’re being clever or something. But whether in the mouth of a fascist or a feminist, “grooming” in the sense meant is like “gaslighting,” largely found in the movies. And the sudden universal prevalence is a rhetorical imposition. No one knows how to teach heterosexuality, and all efforts to suppress its emergence–which have been exceedingly common throughout history!—have failed. What Gruff and bottle lament is the frustration of their desire to torment children who they think are different.
Puberty blockers, by the way, are not established to be harmful, except in making the patient a target of creatures like Gruff and bottle. Indeed, given the disturbing rise in early puberty in girls (breasts and menstruation at nine!) perhaps they should be used more widely.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 3 2022 15:10 utc | 123

@Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 3 2022 15:10 utc | 131
Your post is a little unclear due to imprecise language. I am not a native speaker of English but do prefer English due to its clarity (in general). You however have muddled it in ways rarely encountered.
Example: “This is a standard fascist trope” means that you classify your own speech in the preceding paragraph as standard fascist trope.
“No one knows how to teach heterosexuality, and all efforts to suppress its emergence–which have been exceedingly common throughout history!—have failed”
What efforts to suppress heterosexuality — except now?

Posted by: bottle | Nov 3 2022 15:41 utc | 124

The word “this” in “This is a standard fascist trope” refers to comments @118 and @122, with claims of a depopulation program. It’s true that the economic pressures against child-rearing by working class families are the main cause of lower reproduction rates is not a standard fascist trope…but in a comment on two previous comments, “this” should not be limited solely to self-reference. Neither homosexuality nor vaccines (or “vaccines” even) had anything to do with the population decline in Russia during capitalist restoration. Second language or not, the notion of depopulation as a goal actively pursued by the mysterious malefactors is BS.
All efforts to suppress sexual activity by young people include by definition the effort to suppress heterosexuality. Efforts to inculcate ignorance and fear and shame in women for sexual activity are also efforts to suppress heterosexuality, again by definition. This should be common knowledge in any language, not just English. Comments @118 and @122 are, as I said, ridiculous, on the most charitable interpretation.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 3 2022 16:19 utc | 125

“the notion of depopulation as a goal actively pursued by the mysterious malefactors is BS”
Why are you so sure? We have statements by elitists to this effect. It is undeniable that population pressure is the cause of (now already very serious) environmental degradation. The WEF envisions a world in which “you will own nothing and be happy”.
How do you think we will transition into a world where those who own nothing are happy? This is more radical that the expropriations under communism which necessitated the destruction of millions of unhappy citizens.
What about all the gain of function research (in numerous labs) which has little scientific value but poses more danger than nuclear weapons?
Is it all benign and intended for the best of humanity?

Posted by: bottle | Nov 3 2022 16:31 utc | 126

Posted by: Kevin | Nov 2 2022 20:52 utc | 60
Depleted uranium makes a dirty bomb, no?
the US military deployed DU weapons in 1991 during the first Gulf War in Iraq and again in the 2003 US invasion of Iraq

Posted by: TDeL | Nov 3 2022 19:56 utc | 127

“The primary reason for lower population growth in economically advanced countries is the inability of the declining capitalism to provide a sufficient standard of living for the working class. After all, when the society insists on portraying everyone as “middle” class, or PMC, or whatever idiocy you prefer, then a mere workers’ wage (for both husband and wife) is not enough to meet standards. Women don’t much care to have children they can’t provide for…”
This is a novel theory. Most economic historians recognise that populations decline as living standards rise. And that periods of rapid population growth are generally periods of pauperisation- that was certainly the case of Britain during the ‘Industrial Revolution.”
It maybe however that, like the monkey discovered in front of a typewriter which had composed one of Shakespeare’s sonnets, Johnson has come up with a new demographic theory for new times.
“..No one knows how to teach heterosexuality…” You might want to think about that one.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 3 2022 21:04 utc | 128

bevin@131 The other popular demographic theory is that women stopped having children when prosperity meant they had more children surviving to support them in old age, thus they didn’t need spares for the infant mortality any more. Populations declining as living standards rise *despite the fact they can afford more children* only makes sense if the families can’t guarantee the offspring a good start in life. Most historians are anti-Marxists who avoid scientific understandings with the determination of someone whose job is spreading misunderstanding. Periods of rapid population growth being periods of pauperization? Paupers have high infant mortality. At any rate, the observations that native “populations decline as living standard” aka “demographic transition” as I mentioned, is precisely what needs to be explained. Only an ignoramus has a Theory of Everything consisting of: Shit happens.
After that stupidity, @131 solemnly pronounces the heterosexuality can’t be taught. This is the claim that conversion therapy actually works and that female frigidity is more or less nonexistent. This is even stupider than the ruminations on population. Stereotypical sex roles can be “taught” but rigid conformism is usually more enforced than taught, at least in the view of normal people. Crtyptofascists are pretty much in favor of social tyranny, scapegoating, moral panic and shameless cruelty, though. Or, in some cases, people have redefined gender as unconnected to, you know, actual sex, messy with body parts and fluids, in favor of some “pure” ideal. Or something. I know there are some extreme notions floating about. But I am not one of those theorists, unlike bevin.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 4 2022 1:23 utc | 129

“No one knows how to teach heterosexuality”
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 3 2022 15:10 utc | 126
“After that stupidity, @131 solemnly pronounces the heterosexuality can’t be taught. This is the claim that conversion therapy actually works and that female frigidity is more or less nonexistent.”
Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 4 2022 1:23 utc | 132
I think you are confused.

Posted by: bottle | Nov 4 2022 2:22 utc | 130

“@131 solemnly pronounces the heterosexuality can’t be taught.”
steven t johnson@132
A tissue of misrepresentations as is evident in the piece that you misrepresent. I am clearly suggesting, as anyone of any measurable intelligence would see, that your assertion “”..No one knows how to teach heterosexuality…” is one that you need to re-examine.
In other words I am suggesting that heterosexuality can be taught and is taught across the planet a billion times a day as lovers put their experiences and desires together and learn more of the possibilities before them. Heterosexuality is not a ‘stereotypical sex role’ but an observable phenomenon.
As bottle says, and the muddled melange of your first paragraph shows, you appear to be confused.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2022 2:46 utc | 131

Posted by: the pair | Nov 2 2022 23:49 utc | 93
So it’s not the Jews after all. It’s the boomers… But what happens when _you_ grow up and get old? You’ll need to find a new scapegoat. And maybe become one…

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 4 2022 16:00 utc | 132

Still posting silly stuff about Russia, I see. Putin has been rather loud about using nukes in ukraine. No need for false flags when Russia making the threats. They’ve been quite open about it.
The dirty bomb scare from Putin was just that. If theer is afalse flag in ukraine, it will be Russia that pulls it, just they pulled 8 years of false fl;ags in the Donbas.
Putin is more than happy to sacrifice the people he tells us he’s trying to protect to reach his goals, which he also been quite open about.

Posted by: Quartermaster | Nov 5 2022 13:00 utc | 133

Posted by: the pair | Nov 2 2022 23:49 utc | 93
So it’s not the Jews after all. It’s the boomers… But what happens when _you_ grow up and get old? You’ll need to find a new scapegoat. And maybe become one…

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 4 2022 16:00 utc | 135
Agree. Getting old is not for pussies.
I was born a couple weeks before Hiroshima, so a little pre-Boomer, but I went to school with them. They too were of the opinion (at the time) that old people deserve no respect. And then they became what they hated. I remember wondering what the heck was all this bullshit about some guy named Elvis?
What old people do have, some of us, is experience, lots more than you do. So we can be very useful that way.
The real, important distinction is the rich and powerful and everybody else. For all our claims of progress, we have gone nowhere at all when it comes to that division.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 5 2022 14:11 utc | 134

@Steven Starr 99
I’m not confused at all. Robock and Toon’s 2014 paper updated Robock et al 2007. The outcome for a small conflict, would not be worse than for a global conflict and Robock was evaluating climate models and temperature, not photosynthetic response, which is a non-linear function (See e.g. Zhang, Commane, et al (2020), Herrmann et al (2020), Körner & Basler (2010); Meng et al (2021); Zohner et al (2016)) or Oxygen production (See Canfield (1998)).

Posted by: Hermit | Nov 18 2022 21:59 utc | 135