PaulG @ 458
Norway, the land of three-fourths of my ancestral pool, needs a revolution against its ruling elite. That would include not only the financier barons, but also the political class currently in power, the higher educational system and certainly the mass media.
Before the North Sea oil and gas deposits made that nation into a Nouveau Riche lapdog for the Bank$ter string-pullers and also before Norwegians developed the highest per capita income in Europe; that nation was socially conscious, as well as conscientious and also was known for its elementary common sense. So sudden riches was a major factor into making the Norse government into a facilitator for the NWO/WEF agenda.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 15:31 utc | 504

Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Oct 12 2022 15:25 utc | 498

Still doesn’t explain why you’d you use long range missiles though.

Seems pretty obvious to me. That’s what long range missiles are for.
You don’t really want to be anywhere near the cities you’re burning.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 15:40 utc | 506

aristodemos, 500, 501, 502
you are so obvious

Posted by: Maxx | Oct 12 2022 15:41 utc | 508

RiNS | Oct 12 2022 10:13 utc | 415
Absolutely.
Do not
Feed the
Whitehall
Troll.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 12 2022 15:42 utc | 510

@490 Melaleuca.
I had read about the Israel-Cyprus-Italy pipeline a while ago. It’s capacity is not very high (10-20 bil cu meters / yr, depending on who you believe) so that suggests a go-slow approach. It’s also got political obstructions from Turkey, and may be delayed a while.
Next: The prices for nat gas in EU and Germany in particular have to stay low, or EU isn’t going to manufacture much. If EU’s at a major competitive disadvantage, overall natGas usage will gradually decline. High cost producers (e.g. Israel, given transport costs) will be last-choice.
China, Russia, Iran – already – and now likely India have access to very cheap natGas, and will have a major price advantage selling into the developing markets, most of which are adjacent to … China, Russia, Iran and India.
So, the economics of the Israel-Cyprus-Italy pipeline aren’t all that compelling at the moment. Victoria Nuland, of all people, was quoted on April 2022 in the Times of Israel saying it was too little, too late, and too expensive.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 12 2022 15:44 utc | 512

” These migrants would be those who are culturally unassimilable into a “Whiteman Reservation”, thus growingly disruptive as economic conditions deteriorate to the point where native Europeans become resentful or worse.
Posted by: aristodemos ”
Hmmm, I seem to recall that the Romany/Gypsies are treated rather badly through out Europe.
For those who don’t know, and this is actually leading somewhere, John Ogbu was an Anthropologist.
Ogbu was requested by Black parents of Shaker heights to study why their children were failing even though they “moved on up”.
Ogbu did NOT want to take the work but eventually did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ogbu
“In 1986 Signithia Fordham co-authored, along with Ogbu, a study which concluded that some African American students in a Washington, D.C., high school did not live up to their academic potential because of the fear of being accused of “acting white.” Ogbu further echoed these findings in his 2003 book Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement (which summarized his nine-month research on the educational gap between white and African-American students in the Shaker Heights City School District located in the upscale Cleveland suburb of Shaker Heights, Ohio). His book presents a cultural-ecological theory which highlights two sets of factors that shape minority students’ academic performance: 1) the system (the way society and institutions have historically treated and do treat minorities) and 2) community forces (how minorities respond to and interpret their treatment, which is highly dependent upon their unique history and minority status in America).[9] He concluded that these students’ cultural attitudes hindered their own academic achievement and that these attitudes are too often neglected by parents, educators and/or policymakers.[9″
That result really pissed off those Black parents.
Now to the relevant point of this;
“Ogbu argues [6] that cultural differences alone cannot account for differences in minority education, since some minority communities do quite well and others do not. In addition, he observes that in some cases groups of people of the same race but located in different countries manifested different ability and/or achievement levels according to some measures.
Ogbu points out that there are two kinds of differences between cultures[citation needed]. There are primary differences, which existed before cultures came into contact with each other. Then, there are secondary differences, which come into existence when two cultures interact with each other. He says that many of these secondary differences are created by subordinate groups in opposition to the cultural references of the dominant group.
In the U.S. context, Ogbu concluded that among U.S. Americans there are “voluntary minorities” (groups of immigrants who chose to come to the United States, and their descendants) versus “involuntary” or “caste-like” minorities (descendants of groups of persons who found themselves in the United States, or under United States jurisdiction, against their will). Voluntary minorities (e.g. Korean-Americans) tend to manifest non-oppositional secondary differences with the dominant culture. On the other hand, involuntary minorities (e.g. Native Americans) tend to manifest oppositional secondary differences with the dominant culture. However, both voluntary non-oppositional cultural subjects and involuntary oppositional cultural subjects are required to adhere to dominant (white) American cultural frames of reference if they want to acquire upward social mobility.[7]
In Minority Education and Caste (1978), Ogbu argued that involuntary minorities often adopted an oppositional identity to the mainstream culture in response to a glass ceiling imposed or maintained by white society on the job-success of their parents and others in their communities. Therefore, he reasoned, some non-whites “failed to observe the link between educational achievement and access to jobs.”[8]
Often, the oppositional culture/identity created by the involuntary minority involves the incorporation of attitudes, behaviors, and speech styles that are stigmatized by the dominant group, which, of course, precludes those who adopt the manifestations of the oppositional culture from external success in the dominant culture. When immigrant minorities (voluntary minorities) acquire the language of the dominant culture, it is seen as an addition to the first language (non-oppositional primary differences). However, when nonimmigrant minorities (involuntary minorities) acquire the language of the dominant culture, it is the negation of their oppositional culture, and thus their cultural reality.”
Obviously this is NOT simply a US problem, but finally it’s sitting in the EU’s colonial backyard.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 15:48 utc | 514

Old Hippie@506
“Money talks”. Bob Dylan begs to demur: “Money doesn’t talk, it swears”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 15:52 utc | 516

“I watched Tulsi Gabbards website. Interesting statement. She pretty well seems to agree with VVP that her country has been taken over by Satanists and warmongers. It’s a pity that the US is run by a Uniparty – making elections as irrelevant there as in the EU – for she’d then have a political future. Maybe when NATO collapses VVP can appoint her regional governor of someplace? Denmark?
Posted by: Guy L’Estrange”
Are you claiming a Ross Perot could never happen again in the US?
Yet Trump, neither a governor nor senator and to the best of my knowledge outsider (not since Eisenhower who was military) was elected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot
“In the election, Perot did not win any electoral votes, but won over 19.7 million votes for an 18.9% share of the popular vote. He won support from across the ideological and partisan spectrum, but performed best among self-described moderates.”
And that was after the Deep State Psyop run on him.
His Reform party managed to get Jesse ventura elected governor of Minnesota.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura
“Ventura entered politics in 1991 when he was elected mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, a position he held until 1995. He was the Reform Party candidate in the 1998 Minnesota gubernatorial election, running a low-budget campaign centered on grassroots events and unusual ads that urged citizens not to “vote for politics as usual”. In a major upset, Ventura defeated both the Democratic and Republican nominees. Amid internal fights for control over the party, Ventura left the Reform Party a year after taking office and served the remainder of his governship with the Independence Party of Minnesota. Since holding public office, Ventura has called himself a “statesman” rather than a politician.[7]
As governor, Ventura oversaw reforms of Minnesota’s property tax as well as the state’s first sales tax rebate. Other initiatives he took included construction of the METRO Blue Line light rail in the Minneapolis–Saint Paul metropolitan area and income tax cuts.[8][9][10] Ventura did not run for reelection. After leaving office in 2003, he became a visiting fellow at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. ”
Now where did all those reform party, Nader Green party, Libertarian ( whom Ayn Rand called the Hippies of the Right). MAGA and undecided voters go?

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 16:03 utc | 518

” “Money talks”. Bob Dylan begs to demur: “Money doesn’t talk, it swears”.
Posted by: aristodemos”
Funny I recall a Dylan concert in Buffalo, late seventies early eighties. where he was nicknamed “Hollywood Bob” by the audience.
For all the great lyrics Dylan, actually damn near all celebrities and especially musicians. are hypocrites.
As someone somewhere pointed out despite Roger Waters being on the Ukie hit list not a single musician nor celebrity has stood in his defense.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 16:08 utc | 520

Melaleuca @490–
Russian gas still transits to Europe, just not as much as before. In his Energy Week speech, Putin forwarded the possibility of expanding the gas lines going to Turkey under Black Sea. And there are other remarks to be made related to that article you asked me to save, which I did. But this thread is now dead, and the discussion will move on to the next.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2022 16:18 utc | 522

My assumption is that Russian manufacturing capacity for missiles is nearly infinite. Much would be contracted out to China and sent by train into Russia in exchange for gas or oil or coal or other resources.
Btw, it started under Carter. The Polish fanatic neocon Brezinski was running Carter’s foreign policy.

Posted by: Thim | Oct 12 2022 16:23 utc | 524

Tulsi Gabbard sent out an hilarious statement about elite cabals. Tulsi Gabbard, CFR, yes CFR, lol. And young WEF leader. She knows quite a bit about elitist cabals.
But I think the WEF excommunicated her.

Posted by: Thim | Oct 12 2022 16:36 utc | 526

Topic Gas deposits Mediterranean Sea, etc.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 15:09 utc | 490 / Tom Pfotzer and others
This will not help (us here in) the EU in the coming years and winters, and in general is not that special, for several reasons.
Especially the Leviathan field is a deep sea deposit, very expensive to develop and produce. A pipeline to Europe is also very expensive and only worthwhile if there is assured offtake and enough gas to recoup all investments. In addition, construction takes years.
The source mentioned by Melaleuca gives a volume of “22 trillion cubic feet”. Always these English/American numbers and measurements, boah, billion trillion etc. That is equivalent to about 622 billion cubic meters. For a better estimation we look at the import of gas from Russia to the EU (EU 27) before 2022, that was about 150 billion cubic meters in one year alone – only from Russia! The rest, I guess, everyone can figure out for themselves, right? About 4 years…
Egypt has found the largest deposit so far with the Zohr gas field. Estimated 859 billion cubic meters, in about 1500 m depth [1].
Then there are some fields around Cyprus, estimated at about 650 billion cubic meters in total (“a real giant” [2] – really?).
(And some more for the Turks alone, but in the Black Sea, so far about 320 billion cubic meters, at about 3000 m depth [2].)
As the saying goes: do the math.
Analysts also point out that firstly, much of the gas will be used in the region if the neighboring countries also want to (are allowed to…) develop themselves, and therefore only relatively little will remain for export, and secondly, it will remain rather uneconomical to send it to Europe due to the total costs [3].
In addition, there is the great investment uncertainty, since the EU generally wants to get away from fossil energies, which is why a long-term agreement with Qatar has already failed.
To invest such huge amounts of money, you need reliable partners and acceptance for a long time. And that shows the EU however straight that one should not count on it with it surely. Welcome among wolves, would-be wolves.
These are german sources, I didn’t have so much time:
[1] https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/gas-fund-vor-zypern-weckt-hoffnung-fuer-alternative-zu-russland-18266075.html
[2] https://www.nzz.ch/international/erdgas-im-mittelmeer-das-potenzial-ist-gross-ld.1576186
[3] https://www.kas.de/de/web/die-politische-meinung/artikel/detail/-/content/energie-und-frieden
Greetings to all honest and for better understanding, deeper insight striving “barflies”. I wish I had more time, but can hardly keep up with reading.

Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Oct 12 2022 19:39 utc | 528

«What is the expected timeline?»
I would expect that the dream of the USA strategists is 2-3 years of bloody war in Ukraine, plus maybe 5-10 years of guerrilla war insider Ukraine and Russia by polish and ruthenian “freedom fighters”. I am sure they are not really thinking of achieving regime change in the RF in less than 5 years.
V. Nuland boasted that Ukraine’s regime change coup was bought with just $5 billion over just 15 years. That’s quite cheap and fairly quick. The RF has spent a lot more than that over in less than 1 year, and achieved much less.
Consider also the Afghanistan war: Brzezinsky made it USA policy to fund the islamic side for many years, and in around 10 years the USSR collapsed also thanks to that.
Also consider polish “prometheism”: it was formally described by Piłsudski in 1904, and it is being pursued.
«If we assume that the so called DEEP STATE maintains a single unbroken generational goal, it makes sense.»
It can be multi-generational: the english have played one continental power against another for over 3 centuries, for example, and the USA have acquired and maintained control of most of Central and South American since at least the Monroe Doctrine in 1823, and have also acquired and maintained control of most of Europe since 1943, pretty much linearly and with the same methods.
«But the problem I have with any End Game scenario, is well generational. It is virtually impossible to maintain the same amount of commitment from a new generation as with yourself.»
That’s unrealistic and obviously contradicted by much of history: states have fundamental interests, and much of those interests are dictated by geopolitics and major technology waves, that last sometimes for centuries. Corporate and Sin particular state bureaucracies are often very long lived and pursue the fundamental state interests for as long as those last, again over decades or centuries.
Consider this song that the english government pushed as “home front morale” propaganda in the 1850s, 170 years ago:
“The dogs of war are loose, and the ragged Russian Bear,
Full bent on blood and robbery, has crawl’d out of his lair;
It seems a thrashing now and then, will never help to tame
That brute, and so he’s out upon the “same old game.”
The Lion did his best to find him some excuse
To crawl back to his den again, all efforts were no use;
He hunger’d for his victim, he’s pleased when blood is shed,
But let us hope his crimes may all recoil on his own head.
REFRAIN:
We don’t want to fight but by jingo if we do,
We’ve got the ships, we’ve got the men, and got the money too!
We’ve fought the Bear before and while we’re Britons true
The Russians shall not have Constantinople.”
The words and motivations and policies have not changed since then, even if the UK no longer needs so urgently to protect their vital route to the Indian and south-Asian colonies through the Mediterranean (Gibraltar, Malta, Cyprus, Egypt, and then on to Aden, Oman, Ghawar, Karachi, Bombay) from russian threats. They did not forget that Napoleon attacked Egypt to weaken their empire.
For the USA the mediterranean is a far less important area than it was for Imperial England, but getting bases on the northern and western chinese borders is very important, as well a cutting off China from Europe.
As to the latter, some insightful people have noticed that the USA sanctions have not only cut off Europe (and Germany in particular) from russian raw materials supplies, but also the USA sanctions have in effect cut off Europe from the most important overland routes from China, that passed through the Russian Federation and Belarus, an alternative that despite the much higher costs gave an alternative to the absolute control that the USA Navy have over oceanic trade routes.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 12 2022 19:48 utc | 530

Greetings to all honest and for better understanding, deeper insight striving “barflies”. I wish I had more time, but can hardly keep up with reading.
Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Oct 12 2022 19:39 utc | 531
Thanks for breaking down the shortcomings of the ME gas possibility.
(So now it all doesn’t make sense again..!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 22:43 utc | 532

Well that link didn’t work. Try going to youtube.be and searching for “Rising Tide Foundation”. Near the top of their list of videos is “An Afternoon with Ray McGovern”. The Putin clip runs from 37 to 49 minutes into that.

Posted by: Robbobbobin | Oct 13 2022 3:57 utc | 534

Posted by: sean | Oct 11 2022 21:09 utc

Sean – a tad late response, but the list made for a really good laugh, especially given the armed forces websites (Army Times, Navy Times, Military Times etc.), JTA, Wikipedia(?) etc. were classified as Least Biased.

Posted by: ColdHarbour | Oct 21 2022 12:23 utc | 536