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October 11, 2022
Ukraine – War Propaganda And News Items

Today Russia's missile and drone onslaught on Ukrainian infrastructure continues. I yesterday posted 25 headlines which over the last 7 month  predicted that Russia would soon 'run out of missiles'.

For laughs: The 'coping' mechanism after yesterday's 200+ missile and drones is the very same I had debunked:

Dmitri Alperovitch @DAlperovitch – 14:48 UTC · Oct 10, 2022

As horrible as today was for Ukraine today, the sliver of good news here is that Russia likely can’t sustain this rate of missile launches. It’s very telling that they have not had this rate of long range fires since the start of the war.

The NY Times is lying:

With Civilian Attacks, Putin Gives Hard-Liners What They Wanted

'Civilian attacks' when, as the NYT itself reports, only 14 persons were killed and less than 100 wounded yesterday during 200+ missile and drone strikes:

The attacks killed at least 14 and wounded scores of others, while countless more in cities across Ukraine were terrified by dozens of incoming missiles explicitly targeting civilian infrastructure.

How many of those were killed by Ukrainian air defense misses is not known. It is sad that people get killed in a war but sometimes unavoidable.

The Ukraine military has killed way more civilians by its artillery strikes on Donetsk city. In 2003 U.S. 'shock and awe' in Baghdad killed at least 10,000 people. Israel kills hundreds of civilians during each of its frequent onslaughts on Gaza. Russia is obviously avoiding to kill civilians but still gets accused of doing it.

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Who is really killing Ukrainian civilians?

Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal – 6:23 UTC · Oct 10, 2022

"We haven't any time to put them in jail. They disappeared… somewhere"
A local official jokes of massacring pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine in towns vacated by Russian forces
The human rights industry is basically forbidden from acknowledging this

Quoted Tweet
Анатолий Шарий @anatoliisharii – 18:50 UTC · Oct 9, 2022

A district deputy from Ukraine brags to a Zelensky-affiliated channel “journalist” how they killed many Ukrainians they considered to be “enemy agents.” "These people gone missing". It’s fun for them. Embedded video

Ukrainian is false flagging its murdering of civilian 'collaborators':

War Crimes – Dreizin Report

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Russia had so far also avoided to hit significant Ukrainian infrastructure. Yesterday its President Vladimir Putin explained why it had to change that. The Dugina murder, sabotage attacks within Russia, NATO destroying Nord Stream 2, and the Kerch bridge attack changed the picture:

The President held a briefing session with permanent members of the Security Council, via videoconference. – Kremlin

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Thus, the Kiev regime, by its actions, has actually put itself on the same level as international terrorist groups, and with the most odious of those. It is simply no longer possible to leave crimes of this kind without retaliation.

This morning, at the proposal of the Defence Ministry and in accordance with the plan of Russia’s General Staff, a massive strike was launched with long-range precision air, sea and land-based weapons against Ukrainian energy, military and communications facilities.

In the event of more attempts to stage terrorist attacks on our territory, Russia's response will be harsh and commensurate with the threats posed to the Russian Federation. Nobody should have any doubts about that.

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Kit has a nice scoop:

Kit Klarenberg @KitKlarenberg – 18:25 UTC · 10 Oct 2022

Now, this is pretty big. Advise you read in full. In brief though, "audacious" plans for destroying #KerchBridge drawn up at request of infamous British military spook Chris Donnelly, at precisely the time London was sabotaging peace talks between Russia and Ukraine this April.
EXPOSED: Before Ukraine blew up Kerch Bridge, British spies plotted it – Grayzone

MoA has previously exposed Donnelly and his Institute for Statecraft:

The 'Integrity Initiative' – A Military Intelligence Operation, Disguised As Charity, To Create The "Russian Threat"

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Realism setting in:

Don't Buy the Narrative on Ukraine – American Conservative
The Western party line about a struggling Russia and a resilient Ukraine overlooks hard realities.

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Whitney is citing the OSCE reports without crediting MoA which covered them before the start of the war:

Some of Us Don't Think the Russian Invasion Was "Aggression." Here's Why. – M. Whitney / UNZ

Posted by b on October 11, 2022 at 09:41 UTC | Permalink
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S300 is an ideal weapon to engage ground targets up to a distance of 25 km.
Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 11 2022 14:28 utc | 99
Hello Mo3. I wouldn’t say that SAMs are an ideal weapon when used in SSM mode. The reason for that is that SAMs require an “illuminator” radar to guide the missile in its terminal phase. Yes, the S-300 has illuminators but when the S-300s are used against surface targets the illuminator radar beam is blocked by the ground. Just look at a picture of a S-300 system and you can see the illuminators are aimed up at the sky.
Anywho, I wonder why Putin does not just take out the criminal Zelensky and his band of Nazis? Presumably cooler heads would prevail, perhaps not though.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 11 2022 22:25 utc | 301

To understand the end game, you must first realize the demons have a 5,000 year history.
It doesn’t matter where they alight, they merely resume getting right back to work exploiting, corrupting and extorting.
Consider the hanging scene in the ballad of buster scruggs. One of the condemned is weeping when another casually asks him “first time”?
ZATO is yet another iteration of the same organizational tools used to leverage power. It doesn’t have to be US dominated; any country will suffice.
Ask yourself why the southern border is wide open. Are the newest ‘immigrants’ going to be inventing new technologies, developing new products?
Or are they the Trojan horse designed to ensure a division into at least 2 resulting states? Remember, divide, conquer and plunder.
On this scale, Ukraine is of lite import itself. It was merely the fulcrum by which to assess russias ability to resist incorporation.
As it has passed that test, alternative plans can be executed which would entail decamping for China, India or Russia itself with the everything promises of assisting the natives to achieve global conquest.
Because, at the end of the day, merely living in peace, satisfied with family and friends, is simply too boring, too mundane, too pedestrian.
Much better to rule in hell.

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 11 2022 22:29 utc | 302

Cyberhorse | Oct 11 2022 21:54 utc | 293
“……wonder what the Arabs are talking to Putin about in Moscow right now?
Blinken and John Kirby are wondering the same thing. (But with a great deal more trepidation than you)…
And there are few eyes and ears in Moscow after Obama kicked off the game of removing ambassadors, diplomats and staff. (Remember the howl when Russia finally reciprocated?
Enraged, the U$ forced its va$$als to kick out Russian diplomats and staff in dozens of countries …. So now, when U$ needs spies on the ground…. there’s few to field.
The U$, of course, was the matchmaker in the now Saudi Russia romance.
After Obama was thwarted in snatching Crimea, “they” forced oil prices low, thinking this would tank the Russian economy. It was Saudi that felt the pain first.
The old King, Salman, himself visited Moscow to beg for peace.
Putin did not humiliate him. Instead Russia put on a lavish spectacle. The old Saudi King had never been treated that way in Washington. or London.
That’s when it started.
Once again, another U$ diplomacy / State Department fukup.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 11 2022 22:31 utc | 303

Sergei Lavrov states that American troops as well as those from other Western regimes are on the ground fighting in Ukraine:
“Regular servicemen of the American army, as well as the armies of a number of European countries are constantly working ‘on the ground,’ including assisting in the calculations of the gun complexes, US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, helping to use them in the military hostilities,” Lavrov told the Russian Rossiya 1 broadcaster.
Lavrov Says Evidence Abounds of US, Western Military Fighting ‘on the Ground’ in Ukraine
https://sputniknews.com/20221011/lavrov-says-evidence-abounds-of-us-western-military-fighting-on-the-ground-in-ukraine-1101732472.html
If this is true, the claim that the recent Russian missile strike on a housing complex in Zaporizhzhia, which killed a dozen people or so, was actually targeting American and Western military troops/mercenaries may be true–although America media mouthpieces are predictably claiming that they were only civilians.

Posted by: ak74 | Oct 11 2022 22:39 utc | 304

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 21:23 utc | 285
Thanks karlof1 for translating and posting Russion Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s recent interviews as Two Lavrov Interviews on your VK site.
It’s such a pleasure to read his well-reasoned and well-presented ideas, he speaks in full sentences and paragraphs, with clear understanding and detailed knowledge of the issue he discusses.
A master class in diplomatic communication:

The important thing to understand here is this. The question of the relationship between the right to self-determination and the principle of territorial integrity, after many years of debate, was resolved in the UN Declaration on Principles of International Law of 1970, which confirms the inviolability of the territorial integrity or political unity of states, provided that they have governments representing all the people living in the territory.
We know what severe oppression the Kiev regime subjected the Russian and Russian-speaking population to after the 2014 coup.
The question of the compliance of referendums with the Constitution and the legislation of Ukraine does not affect their qualification under international law. Let us recall the decision of the International Court of Justice on Kosovo in 2010. According to it, in the exercise of the right to self-determination, a territory is not obliged to apply for permission to declare its sovereignty to the central authorities of the country. So a precedent was set.
It should also be borne in mind that the first referendums on the independence of the DPR and LPR were held immediately after the coup in Kiev and the subsequent repressions against their residents. Remember that then in Ukraine they strengthened the “clamping” of the rights and freedoms of national minorities, began to actively oust the Russian language from all spheres of life, persecute Russian activists, eliminate opponents of the authorities, put pressure on parishioners of the canonical Orthodox Church. Then, after the Minsk agreements were reached in February 2015, the issue of international recognition of the independence of the republics was not raised for eight years. If Ukraine fulfilled its obligations under the “Package of Measures”, one could talk about the existence in the DPR and LPR of conditions for the realization of the right to self-determination within the state in which they were at that time.
But Kiev sabotaged Minsk. And not only sabotaged, but also set a course for the violent suppression of Donbass. With the connivance of the West, the regime established a blockade of Donbass, stopped paying pensions and social benefits, made it impossible to conduct normal economic activities, and prevented the delivery of humanitarian aid. All this created unbearable living conditions for the population. And, of course, they were incompatible with the realization of the right to self-determination of Donetsk and Luhansk residents within the same country with Kiev.
[emphasis mine]

Posted by: jonku | Oct 11 2022 22:45 utc | 305

Poor Australia scared white guys in an asian outpost unable to fulfill any destiny other than what the current usa ambassador announces. Only the other day a plan was revealed to inject cattle in nsw with mrna vax for foot and mouth . Co developed by gates et al.madness never ends but sovereignty has.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 11 2022 22:46 utc | 306

Melaleuca @290–
Thanks for your reply. I meant to tell you I employed the Tar Baby metaphor/analogy quite awhile ago and linked to some explanations of it for those without any understanding of that contextually.
Don will recall when I occasionally jousted with trolls, but I generally don’t bother anymore as that takes too much time and energy. Speaking of energy, as you know I place that aspect front and center of Outlaw US Imperial Policy and have for many years. I intend to update the article I wrote back in August after Putin’s speech tomorrow since much has happened in that realm in the last 11-12 weeks.
IMO, looking back on Trump’s attempt to oust Maduro and obtain Venezuela’s hydrocarbons there’re some lessons to be learned about the Empire’s lack of military capabilities, which is why proxy forces are being used most everywhere. IMO, there’s one major topic upon which most of the Empire’s citizens would agree: The utter wrongness and wastefulness of another Imperial War. And such agreement is seen as a dire threat by the Duopoly’s managers who want to extract as much plunder from those citizens as possible before the game ends.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 22:46 utc | 307

What is the end point? This war is over. We all know who has won. The mop-up may take a long time. There is just no doubt America is circling the drain and has lost, badly.
In prize fights in UK the referee stops the fight once it is plain which is the better fighter. In US we give the opponent every chance possible to score a lucky punch. Bloody and beatup opponents staggering around the ring can always land a lucky punch. Of course if they don’t, they get brain damage. American fight fans want to see a knockout and blood and brain damage. Cannot understand why the British refs stop fights just because we all know who will win.
Gully Foyle way upthread seems to think the slimy neocons cannot be that stupid. Yes they are. Stupidest people on the planet are calling the shots. In their imagination Russia is being weakened. In their imagination after Ukraine loses they will fund and instigate another 77 years of sabotage and guerrilla war and terror in Ukraine. Not going to happen. What will happen as this is drawn out is a steady increase in Russian power and influence.
No one has ever stood up to a neocon and told them to their face how dumb they are. Closest I have seen was when Blinken and Sullivan tried talking to the Chinese at that faded second-rate hotel in Anchorage. Blinken did not get the message. He could not hear it. Next time the Chinese foreign minister should stand up and slap that dope in the face. Biden goes to Saudi and gets dissed by some junior prince five removes from the throne. No one notices. Their shit don’t stink. They are certain of that. They will have to go to unconditional surrender. It is coming. And then they will lie about it and the charmed circle around them will alll believe the lie

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 11 2022 22:50 utc | 308

@ Cynica | Oct 11 2022 17:05 utc | 192
Once it becomes clear that someone with a different point of view is also not interested in other points of view, or maybe even in learning anything new in general, engaging them further does not contribute to the discussion.
You have a good point there. Those bloggers are not going to change their screwed-up minds and think correctly, as we do, so why bother.
I tell you what Cynica. I’ve noticed that b responds a lot to writers in the MSM who are way off base and never change. So one of us, let’s say you, call b on it and tell him to stop responding to wrong-thinking people. You tell b first and I’ll be right behind you (not saying how far).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2022 22:51 utc | 309

now that we’ve made it to the messed up time stamp of dons post……….
don makes a good point but makes an ass of himself in the process… if you can’t tell a liar when it is very apparent, then there is no help from others… as for b – it is his website.. he’s allowed to use examples of idiocy to make any point he wants, unlike the trollls who have as you say ”different opinions and viewpoints.”
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thanks Melaleuca – yes, helmer is hit and miss, but he hit it on the ukraine electrical grid thread…
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oldhippie.. – right on.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2022 22:53 utc | 310

Now Biden is calling Putin a ‘rational actor’.
The kabuki is so predictable, the US will now try to slither out of this while claiming some kind of half baked ‘victory’ by virtue of the fact that they were the ones that bought the Green Midget and Putin to the negotiating table. I suspect this is why they keep floating this Erdogan brokered peace nonsense.
I hope the RF stays the course at the same methodical and carefully planned pace and does not do any kind of negotiating (although I suspect they will), because whatever deal is made will just be reversed when it suits the USA.
The US plan at this point may well be just to try to wait Putin out and hope for an easier target in his replacement but this SMO can’t really go much further as the Smelly Midget & co are spent and short of NATO officially entering the war, there is no real way to continue it, especially after the RF effectively knocked out most of the Ukrainian infrastructure in less than 24 hours (apparently, with no missiles, according to the cavalcade of idiots in the west 😀 )

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Oct 11 2022 22:53 utc | 311

@Tom_Q_Collins #275
Clinton is not 100% responsible, but he was President. He had the veto power.
He did not use it.
The President of the United States IS the executive branch of government. The definition of executive:

having the power to put plans, actions, or laws into effect.
the person or branch of a government responsible for putting policies or laws into effect.

Thus while you are absolutely correct that there were plenty of Republicans (and Democrats) in the legislative branch who carried water in the bullshit entry of China into the WTO, and in repealing Glass Steagall, etc etc – the fact is indisputable that Clinton as POTUS was far more responsible than any other single person.
Period.
The buck stops there.
As for why – I was answering a specific question.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2022 23:14 utc | 312

It’s a slippery little term.
As B noted, US “See-BS” news mentioned the attacks targeted civilians. What they are playing with is that the targets were not military, i.e. of a civilian use. But then the death toll – from UA itself – is low.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Oct 11 2022 23:15 utc | 313

karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 22:46 utc | 305
Trump and the failed overthrow of Maduro.
That was so bad, so slapstick comically awful, for a long time I could not believe it was real. And. I did wonder. While it was in U$ interests to topple Venezuela… the hatred of Trump within the U$ was so toxic, I wondered if he’d been setup.
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It’s one thing to despise the U$ for its wanton lust for oil, power and treasure, but there’s a whole other dimension of contempt when seeing the U$ shamelessly grovelling, wanting deals with Venezuela, Iran and even Saudi.
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Once it would be decades between U$ reversals in “policy” or pursuit of its “interests”. But as Zakharova points out, the 180s and backtracking are too fast now, and even the most in-step sycophants stumble to keep pace.
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Karl. Don’t feed the trolls. You have far more important work to do.
For which we appreciate and thank you.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 11 2022 23:22 utc | 314

The US plan at this point may well be just to try to wait Putin out and hope for an easier target in his replacement but this SMO can’t really go much further as the Smelly Midget & co are spent and short of NATO officially entering the war, there is no real way to continue it, especially after the RF effectively knocked out most of the Ukrainian infrastructure in less than 24 hours (apparently, with no missiles, according to the cavalcade of idiots in the west 😀 )
Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Oct 11 2022 22:53 utc | 309
It doesn’t have the time left. The West has been trying to wait out Putin for 20 years by now. It’s afraid that Putin might go for another term in office, meaning that our current crop of politicians will be out of office before Putin is – even their successors might not see Putin’s successor.
The Midget tries to draw NATO in any way he can. After the attempt to use Moldova for this purpose, now the attempt to use Belarus. NATO would love to but it has reached the point where it is forced to call for negotiations just to rescue the remnants of Ukraine for another go in a couple of years. Just like 2014/2015. I hope Russia can prevent that this time around.
All the green screen videos starring Zelensky really make me wonder where he is right now. Under the given circumstances, no one expects him to show his face in the open in Kiev. He could do videos from a desk in his bunker. But no, the videos try to make us believe he is out and about, personally leading the people of Ukraine. I think he already left Ukraine for safer shores, and tries to cover this up using the green screen.

Posted by: Martina | Oct 11 2022 23:28 utc | 315

Hankster | Oct 11 2022 22:46 utc | 304
“……a plan was revealed to inject cattle in NSW with mrna vax for foot and mouth”.
Wait. Wot?

Foot-and-mouth disease, FMD, is a highly contagious viral disease of cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. The virus has not been detected in Australia for more than 100 years.
But we should be aware of the risks of FMD arriving on our shores. FMD can be transmitted in air particles between animals housed closely together.
https://www.agriculture.gov.au › biosecurity-trade › pests-diseases-weeds › animal › fmd.
Foot and mouth disease (FMD) is a highly contagious viral disease that affects pigs, cattle, sheep, goats, deer, camelids (includes alpacas, llamas and camels) and buffalo. FMD does not affect horses, or companion animals such as dogs and cats. Australia remains free of FMD.
https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au › animals-and-livestock › beef-cattle › health-and-disease › viral-diseases › fmd

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 11 2022 23:29 utc | 316

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 11 2022 20:27 utc | 262
Russia is limiting the Nato option to wage “guerrilla war” by not advancing through a lot territory at all. Which means a much larger portion the supposed “guerrillas” go die in a frontline ditch instead. They are also kicking out unreliable people out of their territory completely.
Sure, there will always be some who get through with fake passports etc. or the occasional reconnaissance group which can infiltrate, but these options diminish as the front gets saturated.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 11 2022 23:33 utc | 317

karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 22:46 utc | 305
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 11 2022 23:22 utc | 312
Trump’s Bolivian/Lithium coup went better until the coupsters lost their nerve and held an election, and apparently an honest one at that (they lost).

Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 11 2022 23:35 utc | 318

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 11 2022 23:33 utc | 315
Re. guerrilla war and terrorism, that said, security services will have their work cut out for them for sure.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 11 2022 23:35 utc | 319

@ Martina
Yah, in the final analysis, you do have a point concerning waiting Putin out but I really don’t think these cowardly clowns want a thermo-nuclear conflagration (If Putin stays on for another term, I suspect Kagan, Nuland & Co might spontaneously combust if that counts as a low yield explosion). If an all out war is what they really wanted, they could have had it by now. Putin is not going to immolate the western world because someone put a load of ANFO on the back of a truck and tried to blow up a bridge. Whatever British ‘experts’ conceived that idiocy should have a coke and a smile and STFU.
That doesn’t mean they won’t get a war started as the result of some gross miscalculation, but you can see the cracks forming as the overt cowards scream and cry about the endless ‘not fair’ of an adversary that hits back about 100 times harder than you are capable of hitting.
I doubt the Midget Cry Baby is even in Ukraine at this point and certainly NOT in Soviet Era bunkers as has been postulated by some of the more ‘critical thinkers’ in the west.
Cheers

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Oct 11 2022 23:42 utc | 320

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 11 2022 22:50 utc | 306
From what I gather, Nato is still planning some sort of armed terrorist incursion inside Belarus, Baltic or Ruthenian nazis trained and then trying to infiltrate their state border. There have also been talks of Nato planning to use “tactical nukes” against Belarus. Personally I don’t think that happens since Russian nuclear doctrine applies to the whole Union State, but if it does, we all know for no doubt what happens after.
Otherwise, the Ukraine and EU economy is in “shambles” as Ursula Leyen put it, and EU will explode to pieces with others wanting to survive, while some will commit a useless suicide for Uncle Schmuel.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 11 2022 23:45 utc | 321

@ G7 238
When the square peg will not go in the hole, they attack you from some other angle. At the same time that Mrs May waslecturing us about Russian malice, Bojo was locking down Salisbury because of Novichok.
Chris Donnelly explains that the best remedy against truth is the state to manufacture counter-bollocks. Hence Integrity Initiative, to set you straight.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 12 2022 0:07 utc | 322

Question is, what is happening on the front line?

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Oct 12 2022 0:14 utc | 323

All together now: “take that, Putin”.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1579923863471034368

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 0:21 utc | 324

Johnycomelately | Oct 12 2022 0:14 utc | 322
Try military summary channel on yt.
I’ve long stopped watching….but the daily meat grind continues

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 0:23 utc | 325

Medvedev’s Telegram note from today:
“The fastest way to escalate the conflict in Ukraine to the irreversible consequences of the world war is to supply psychos in Kiev with long-range MLRS.
“Elderly leaders of the Washington regional committee and upstarts from NATO should at least occasionally turn on their softened brains.
“One more thing. The thesis of the NATO Secretary General that Russia’s victory will mean the defeat of the North Atlantic Alliance is a direct confirmation by the bloc of its participation in the war against our country. As they say – not from a great mind, but from a pure heart. An honest Norwegian guy finally admitted it.” [My Emphasis]
Well, Norwegian will disagree with the last sentence.
And in case you missed what Medvedev wrote yesteday:
“The first episode is played.
There will be others.
“One more thing. I will express my personal position. I can’t help but mention that now. The Ukrainian state in its current configuration with the Nazi political regime will pose a constant, direct and explicit threat to Russia. Therefore, in addition to protecting our people and protecting the country’s borders, the goal of our future actions, in my opinion, should be the full dismantling of the political regime of Ukraine.” [Emphasis Original]
IMO, it’s time for kamikaze drones to seek and disable all diesel locomotives within Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2022 0:24 utc | 326

314
https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/nsw-fast-tracks-fmd-vaccine
Official nsw gov site info
Tiba the biolab developer openly states their partners are NIH usa army gates foundation etc

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 12 2022 0:24 utc | 327

“What is the end point? This war is over. We all know who has won. The mop-up may take a long time. There is just no doubt America is circling the drain and has lost, badly.”
This is kind of funny to read, you folks are really down the Jade Helm/QAnon hole at this point. NATO has not yet mobilized, or started giving out their tier 1 weapons. From what Im hearing here in the West, the Polacks are getting ready to go in unilaterally if Belarus engages. Everybody knew that Russia had missilereserves as a strategic backdrop, but at the same time, the bombing of the Western Ukrainain cities changes very little on the frontlines. So sure, you can kill civilian grandmothers who are stuck in their houses, but this will affect the actual war very little except to fuel rage.
Its a proof at how pathetic this russian war has become that you all are howling with joy over limited strikes against civilian infrastructure. When the long range HIMARs come, and the reaperdrones appear, then it will be funny to see who has the most solid foundation. And even if somehow Russia should be able to stosm Kyiev with their imaginary panzer army, do you think we will not run one hell of a counterinsurgency? What is the percieved russian endstate at this point, to become a giant North Korea?

Posted by: Fnord73 | Oct 12 2022 0:25 utc | 328

I doubt the Midget Cry Baby is even in Ukraine at this point and certainly NOT in Soviet Era bunkers as has been postulated by some of the more ‘critical thinkers’ in the west.
Cheers
Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Oct 11 2022 23:42 utc | 318
London seems more likely. He is a British citizen after all. And he is certainly not in a bunker – or at least, only in an extremely luxurious bunker with all modern amenities that only the super-rich can afford.
I notice that the German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht went to Odessa instead of Kiev last week to meet her Ukrainian counterpart. Maybe Kiev seemed just too dangerous; or maybe they realized that no one believed in the Kiev visits anyway. The Midget obviously could not be bothered to meet her.
Cheers

Posted by: Martina | Oct 12 2022 0:41 utc | 329

In response to the troll who wrote
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What is the percieved russian endstate at this point, to become a giant North Korea?
Posted by: Fnord73 | Oct 12 2022 0:25 utc | 327
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LOL!
It is so much fun to be in this civilization war where empire still thinks that projecting fiction will make it reality if repeated enough. That may have worked in the past, but it looks like at least 85% of the world population is fed up with the God of Mammon cult and their financial and military bully ways, so projecting that continuity into the future is delusional.
Korea will unite in a heartbeat as soon as empire is fully defanged and in spite of more textual white noise by you to the contrary.
Have a nice life!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 12 2022 0:41 utc | 330

To understand the end game, you must first realize the demons have a 5,000 year history.
It doesn’t matter where they alight, they merely resume getting right back to work exploiting, corrupting and extorting.
[…snip…]
ZATO is yet another iteration of the same organizational tools used to leverage power. It doesn’t have to be US dominated; any country will suffice.
[…snip…]
As it has passed that test, alternative plans can be executed which would entail decamping for China, India or Russia itself with the everything promises of assisting the natives to achieve global conquest.
[…snip…]
Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 11 2022 22:29 utc | 300

In that context, if the nominal “leadership” in the West were to provoke a nuclear confrontation (even more than they have thus far), there would be a risk that the entire world would be toast within decades if not sooner. I’d imagine that those who control these “leaders” hunger for at least something to rule over, if not the entire world. This suggests that there probably won’t be a nuclear conflagration.

Posted by: David Levin | Oct 12 2022 0:42 utc | 331

Oh Fnord just fuck off already you Langley scumtoast

Posted by: trying again | Oct 12 2022 0:43 utc | 332

@FNord 327
So has the good ol US of A magicked up hypersonic missiles? Nope. Still in early testing. Do you not think that if Russia had been an easy mark NATO would be already swarming the skies with F35’s etc already? Nope. They would be shot down. Times have changed. This is not thirty years ago.

Posted by: Oh | Oct 12 2022 0:44 utc | 333

Goal of NATO? Do what Daddy America says and maybe we’ll get a nice dessert.
Goal of USA? Invade and conquer everyone and steal their resources. Same as their viking kind have been doing for the last 1200 years.
It’s like that scene in the stupid movie Independence Day. What do you want us to do? Die.
All of career (old) Washington wanted to win the Cold War with a bang not a whimper.
Murdering millions of brown people just isn’t as satisfying.

Posted by: Average Joe | Oct 12 2022 0:46 utc | 334

Posted by: Fnord73 | Oct 12 2022 0:25 utc | 327
Nato already threw (literally they stripped active units and inventories) most of their “tier 1” artillery and GMLRS, sent thousands of tanks from Warsaw pact inventories, sent all the Mig-28/29 Su-24/25 they could get their hands on which are at par or superior to Nato “tier 1” aircraft. Majority scrap metal now. Thousands of Polish and other nazi mercs were sent there, which lose their utility in a saturated combined arms front. The “best Nato air defenses” do nothing against any relatively modern missile, and are substandard to even older S-300.
The “tier 1” artillery was mostly used to shell the Zaporizhe nuclear plant, Donbass city center, Kherson city center and other civilian settlements and targets for terror purposes.
Now Poland has to raise their corporate tax rate to 50% just to get more US “tier 1” equipment to replace the Warsaw pact stuff. There is no Nato “tier 1” stuff going to Ukraine, since it doesn’t exist.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2022 0:50 utc | 335

Goal of Russia? To be left alone.
Same as all other sane people and most of the rest of the globe.

Posted by: Average Joe | Oct 12 2022 0:52 utc | 336

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 11 2022 14:59 utc | 118
Not trying to offend, but you should avoid mentioning MMT until you have learned what it is.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 12 2022 0:57 utc | 337

Any stamp collectors here?

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 12 2022 0:59 utc | 338

I concur with several posters like #85 and other posters about the names on top. I am also a relative newbie, having discovered Duran and MOA in the middle of February after searching for alternate media, as mostly I was on RT until May. I just go there to read up on stories listed here now.
There are several posters I have on my list, some are adversarial rather than trolls but the message seems to parrot the lying 5-I’s intelligence services. I really enjoy the banter between some of the regulars, as a lot of it reinforces the lessons learned at private school.
Prince Andrew seems far removed from the youth I saw in 1978-79, as I was reprimanded by their equivalent of the British secret service, for being too boisterous in what today is called “heckling”.
Thanks as always for the long reads…Other than the posters I skip on my list, it allows me to see the grand picture without the white noise, but sometimes being an avid reader, and for chuckles, I read the entire 300-400+ posts.

Posted by: Arcticman | Oct 12 2022 1:07 utc | 339

Here is another Russia is out of missle stories – from Canada ‘s CBC
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-war-attrition-attacks-ukraine-1.6612536

Posted by: Cheryl | Oct 12 2022 1:14 utc | 340

@ Cheryl | Oct 12 2022 1:14 utc | 339
the cbc makes sure to keep those articles closed to commentary… it is so very democratic and open minded of them, lol… i have come to respect those commenting on the cbc articles as they do not accept the bullshit the cbc is pedaling all the time fortunately…
this quote “The Institute for the Study of War said the attacks wasted weapons on civilian targets such as playgrounds instead of militarily significant ones.” right away tells one to not trust a word from the institute of the study of war…. —
Location
Washington, D.C., United States
President Kimberly Kagan
any relation to victoria nulands hubby? indeed.. she is roberts brother! a bunch of yale university flunkies reliant on gov’t hand outs to spout the neo con bullshit 24-7…. those are the cbc sources….

Posted by: james | Oct 12 2022 1:29 utc | 341

Few here know of the Israeli plan to have the East Med gasfield replace Russian gas to Europe. The problem…. Gas was too cheap to make development of East Med viable.
Well. That problem has been fixed….gas is expensive, the field can go ahead and Russia has been removed from the market…. Neat how these plans (that I thought craaazeee when I first read about it in maybe 2015.), have come to pass..
Posted by: OttoE | Oct 11 2022 21:46 utc | 291
VERY interesting. Is it really true? If so, then mayhap there is method in current seeming madness…

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 1:30 utc | 342

@ Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2022 21:01 utc | 275
Bill Clinton was a Republican before he was a Democrat. Then there is the pesky rumor that he was the illegitimate offspring of a Rockefeller. Most likely Winthrop.
Which, if true, explains a lot.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 12 2022 1:49 utc | 343

Figleaf23 @336
MMT means “magical money tree” and is just as stupid as it sounds. Printing money doesn’t create wealth.
At least the nimrod Fnord73 provides some entertainment with her stupidity.

Posted by: Rdf2 | Oct 12 2022 1:52 utc | 344

If this operation were in the United States, it would end in three days, and millions of civilians would be killed.
Russia is being careful not to make the sacrifice of citizens as much as possible, but the military also wants to avoid the death of soldiers, so I want to compete as soon as possible.
I think President Putin also participated in this attack due to military pressure.
Still, I feel Putin’s intention that I’m choosing where to attack.

Posted by: Nosuhiro | Oct 12 2022 2:00 utc | 345

The character assassinations have begun:

FT in a new profile playing up his brutality in Syria, writes of the top general that the 56-year old “is notorious for his campaigns in Syria, where he served two stints as commander of Russian forces supporting Bashar al-Assad’s regime.” The report further underscored:
Human Rights Watch named him among officials who “may bear command responsibility” for attacks on civilians, alleging in a 2020 report that he had ordered attacks on homes, schools and hospitals. In line with those tactics, Russian missiles on Monday and Tuesday hit civilian infrastructure, including a playground in Kyiv, despite continuing claims by Moscow that only military sites were targeted.
As for those already calling Surovikin the “butcher of Aleppo” who they say destroyed Syria’s largest city and ultimately enabled Bashar al-Assad’s survival, some are pointing out that the Russian military entered the conflict in 2015, significantly after fierce fighting had long been raging.

Putin’s New Ukraine Commander Dubbed “General Armageddon” For Ruthless Track Record
It’s amazing how western media propaganda feeds off it’s past propaganda, endlessly wrapping and re-wrapping it’s old lies into new narratives.
A few days ago I forecast there’d be war crimes charges brought against Surovikhin in about 5 weeks. Looks like this prediction might just come true …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 2:07 utc | 346

Golans gas was Genie energy. Rothschilds and various neocon bush era types listed as directors. They will be gettn their pay for years of UN veto.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy
Years ago israel locked down the golan with contracts for wind turbines. It essentially kicked off arab farmers from their land. Easier than desyroying crops and disruption of workers which was negative media. Israelis pointed out it was voluntary. I guess it gave a slight income rather than risking being shot tryn to tend a field. Either way they got the land that now is transferred over to the planned gas fields. Netanyahu was explicit that no gas fields would ever be part of Palestinian deals and israel would never buy it from them. Now its annexed and “legal” apparently to the UN as their resolutions mean nought.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 12 2022 2:07 utc | 347

To be clear the following is pure speculation.
The UK (powers-that-be and servants, not ordinary people) seems to be completely losing it. I think they may have a somewhat serious nuclear “accident” at home soon. Guessing Scotland? Complete insanity. If right I’ll add that there’s a possibility Russia won’t be blamed because it will be irrelevant for the purpose; an iron-clad reason to “legally” go “full retard” on their own in order to “control” the disaster and the ramifications.
Pure speculation but they do seem desperate enough to try something like it. It will make the post-war UK (up to and including the seventies) look like a heaven on Earth 🙁
· · ·
And since there are so many (real or not) grievances being aired (some of them old and weird, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s “western” trolling) I’ll happily say that I like both Brits and Americans (and they’re as flawed as everyone else), just not their “leaders” etc.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 12 2022 2:13 utc | 348

Posted by: Fnord73 | Oct 12 2022 0:25 utc | 327
You should thank me for parsing your bullshit. Here goes:

the Polacks are getting ready to go in unilaterally if Belarus engages.

The polacks are an army of soy-sipping faggots.
They’re going nowhere “unilaterally”, not until Vicky Nuland tells them.

the bombing of the Western Ukrainain cities changes very little on the frontlines.

You’ll want to wait more than 24 hours before jumping to that conclusion.

So sure, you can kill civilian grandmothers who are stuck in their houses

You can also kill NATO weasels stuck in their bunkers, which I think the bulk of the casualties included.

howling with joy over limited strikes against civilian infrastructure.

Power infrastructure is dual use.

When the long range HIMARs come, and the reaperdrones appear, then it will be funny to see

They’ve been there for months. As you can tell, they’ve reached the point of limited returns.

do you think we will not run one hell of a counterinsurgency?

Where has that worked for you so far?
Frankly, you guys suck at counter-insurgency.
The Russians have dealt with counter-insurgency/insurgency for decades.
They’re old masters of this game. Putin and Surovikhin in particular.

to become a giant North Korea?

So the US is going to isolate BOTH China AND Russia at the same time ?
Put down the crack pipe, joe.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 2:22 utc | 349

Posted by: Fnord73 | Oct 12 2022 0:25 utc | 327

do you think we will not run one hell of a counterinsurgency?

Historical note:
The US funded insurgency in Chechnya and the Caucasus was a complete failure, thanks to the actions of Putin and men like Surovikhin.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 2:26 utc | 350

Sadly it isn’t just the moral turpitude of woke infecting the West, we now openly support a regime covered in Nazi regalia and devoid of any “democratic values”. And it isn’t just the regalia, this philosophy seems to have infected that country to the point where criminal actions are not only acceptable but applauded. In fact the UK Tabloid even openly supported Ukrainians murdering “collaborators”, this is completely depraved and indicative of how low we have sunk as a civilization.
This doesn’t mean the Russians may not also commit the odd war crime, however it isn’t systemic and ongoing. Saw a video of Russian “collaborator” dead bodies being thrown into a ditch, this is barbarism pure and simple. The various trolls that show up should be ashamed of themselves, they are either ideologically twisted of guns for hire, either way how do they look at themselves in the mirror?

Posted by: Organic | Oct 12 2022 2:28 utc | 351

Intriguing NYT article. A heavily redacted 2% version of events.
Has the same stench as every article found on CIA’s well-known, long-documented Europa Propaganda found on the youtube channel RFR/FR! enough said!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 12 2022 2:35 utc | 352

Norwegian @183
“Looks like Finland and Sweden will not make it into NATO if you ask me.”
I so very much hope this was to be true. However, this game is decided in Washington and I doubt Turkey will do anything else but play benefits for itself and finally approve. My only hope is that Hungary will stop the madness. They have prevailed against Washington in the past. But even their situation is difficult.
I still keep my fingers crossed. Even that the full membership approval actually has no real effect, being that Finland already has signed host nation support agreement with NATO in 2015. US airborne battallion is already coming to Finland next summer… they have just not yet told how lomg they will stay…

Posted by: Tigger | Oct 12 2022 2:44 utc | 353

Hankster | Oct 12 2022 2:07 utc | 345
“……Golans gas was Genie energy. Rothschilds and various neocon bush era types listed as directors”…
Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch was a shareholder/ investor/ board of directors.
I remember learning this immediately post 9/11 and being shocked at the obvious conflict of interest… but back then, I was shiny and so new to the whole idea of widespread global corruption and the interweaving networks and collusions…. Now not so much.
That’s almost 2 decades ago. I now know and expect who will “pop up” in any stinky swindle. Which is why I was calling out convid in Jan2020. As it was the Atlantic Council cited as the first source on “explaining” convid to Australia. Other voices quickly came to the fore, but I knew what I’d seen.
And, speaking of cons:
Hankster | Oct 12 2022 0:24 utc | 326
So. A coupla hundred mill gonna be spent on developing a “synthetic” “vaccine” for a disease not found in Australia for 100 years.
Because “risk”.
Somehow our biohazard and bio security procedures have worked for the last century…
So. To justify the vaccine….are they gonna introduce FMD into Oz?
Does this new (to be developed) (but I’m sure there’s already something ready to roll..) does this new mRNA vaccine enter the food chain?
Let’s humor me and say “yes”, because I AM a conspiracy kinda guy.
What are short term and long term effects of consuming mRNA meat?
Yeah. Fantastic. Really made my day.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 2:48 utc | 354

@ karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 22:46 utc | 305
Don will recall when I occasionally jousted with trolls, but I generally don’t bother anymore as that takes too much time and energy.
A “troll” being anyone who doesn’t agree with you, correct Karl? And that’s wrong.
Karl, on a personal level, I spent a good part of my blogging life in an (ineffective) effort to kill the F-35 jet fighter. During that time I went tooth-and-nail against F-35 proponents, and them against me, over and over, for a long time. It was rough. . . But in all that time nobody was ever branded as a troll. That was never charged against anyone.
So why is it done on this blog? Is it all the work of some Canadian pip-squeek? Because it’s wrong to brand somebody with different beliefs a troll, as you have done.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 12 2022 3:20 utc | 355

fyi
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1580024626822123520
Nothing that Russia has done in Ukraine even holds a candle to the mind-blowing carnage unleashed by the US in Vietnam alone.
As far as destruction wrought on civilians, the pathological, emotionalized, personal obsession with Putin functions to retroactively exculpate the US

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 12 2022 3:21 utc | 356

Gully Foyle @ multiple
You are on fire in this thread. Not surprising as your namesake was on fire as he jaunted around the universe in THE STARS MY DESTINATION (which I happened to re-read about six months ago).
You said, “Remember all those long haired dope smoking reprobates called musicians?
Suddenly they get knghted and boom they become better than their peers. They forget their “poor” roots and rub elbows with the snobs and cheat the system. Right Bono and U2?
Shows like Absolutely Fabulous nailed the Brit mentality as did Shameless on the other side of the coin.”
Your sentiment echoes what Pablo Neruda wrote in his BOOK OF QUESTIONS (the last poetry he published before his death):
Why don’t the poor understand/as soon as they stop being poor?
Por que lost pobres no comprenden/apenas dejan de ser pobres?
Neruda also asks:
Isn’t it better never than late?
No es mejor nunca que tarde?
This appears to be the question Zelensky and NATO appear to reflexively ask themselves in relation to negotiating to end the conflict.
Unfortunately, I wonder, in the words of Neruda again:
What does it mean to persist/on the alley of death?
Que significa persistir/en el callejon de la muerte?
(sorry for the missing accent marks)

Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 12 2022 3:31 utc | 357

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKaq_gNr0uE
Vid interview of Kit Klarenburg of the grayzone on the leaked British documents planning sabotage of Kerch Bridge Crimea.
“The Grayzone has obtained an April 2022 presentation drawn up for senior British intelligence officers hashing out an elaborate scheme to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge with the involvement of specially trained Ukrainian soldiers. Almost six months after the plan was circulated, Kerch Bridge was attacked in an October 8th suicide bombing apparently overseen by Ukraine’s SBU intelligence services.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/
The truck bombing of the Kerch Bridge differed operationally from the plot sketched therein.
Yet, Britain’s evident interest in planning such an attack underscores the deep involvement of NATO powers in the Ukraine proxy war.
At almost precisely the time that London reportedly sabotaged peace talks between Kiev and Moscow in April this year, British military intelligence operatives were drawing up blueprints to destroy a major Russian bridge crossed by thousands of civilians per day.
The roadmap was produced by Hugh Ward, a British military veteran.
A number of strategies for helping Ukraine “pose a threat to Russian naval forces” in the Black Sea are outlined.
The overriding objectives are stated as aiming to “degrade” Russia’s ability to blockade Kiev, “erode” Moscow’s “warfighting capability”,  and isolate Russian land and maritime forces in Crimea by “denying resupply by sea and overland via Kerch bridge.”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 3:39 utc | 358

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 12 2022 3:20 utc | 353
I am not sure exactly what the term ‘troll’ means but the way it’s used here one form of trollish behavior is complaining about trolls who are not following the predominant view held by various well established commenters.
Nobody is obliged to engage with anybody else and as far as I can tell from his writings our host, b, is not into pushing any sort of group think.
That said, clearly some here are ‘trolling’ for outrage-upset in that they are deliberately poking the anti-Empire pro-Russia party liners here in the eye, but ironically their getting a rise in response says as much about the person taking offense as it does about the troll – indeed providing an opportunity (as all upsetting moments do) to take a look in the mirror rather than just projecting out scorn und insult, the lowest form of trolling.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 3:40 utc | 359

@ Norwegian | Oct 11 2022 19:14 utc | 237
@ karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 20:55 utc | 273
What is the US/NATO endgame? Good question.
According to Michael Hudson, the neoliberal leaders of the US are evil but not stupid. This is a significant point. No doubt they are a bit deluded by lag in understanding of change, an affliction most politicians and leaders suffer from, but nonetheless they kind of have a plan that they consider reasonable and realizable.
That plan is to achieve absolute, micromanaging hegemony over the planet, “full spectrum dominance” in their frank and honest phrasing, a project breathtaking in its scope, presumptuousness, and hubris. They believe this is achievable because they think they can defeat all comers, and they do have a lot of resources at their disposal which make them believe that their power is absolute. These include the yet unshaken dollar hegemony, as even in the current crisis the dollar has risen once again, their military power, their ownership of a major part of the world economy and advanced technology, and especially the existence of willing collaborators or compradors in every country who desire to turn their own countries into doormats for the US in the hopes that they as individuals, with their families, can achieve some intermediate protected status as local rulers on behalf of their distant puppet masters. The US power elite believe that through the use of selective violence and dirty tricks they can eventually cow every resistant state. Of course, their power is not such that they can reach all of their goals at once, but they think that time is on their side, and their belief in their own untrammeled power and its impunity causes them to ignore all law and morality, and simply express their power however they see fit.
Now, whether they are right about their degree of control is another matter, and many discussants here are hoping for a sudden downfall of the empire, but, as c1ue has observed in previous threads, that is not likely given the empire’s resources. That is, the empire, although seemingly and often described as in decline, still has a lot of power. Also, it retains the spectacular veto power of thousands of nuclear warheads, so that its masters can blow up the world rather than let anyone else have it. But, of course, they do not want to end themselves, so that would only be a last resort, and they do not think it will come down to that. Also, they are capable of inflicting great pain on most of the human race, which is a real, if negative, power. And they certainly don’t care about other human beings, except to exploit them however they can for their own ends.
In the case of the current war, the problem is that Russia, after quite reasonably demanding an equitable security arrangement for itself, and Europe too, but finding that the US was “agreement incapable,” decided to demonstrate that if the US could act always without regard for Russia’s wishes, so could Russia act without regard for the US’s wishes, because, beside the US, Russia alone possesses the Great Equalizer, nuclear parity. Since this threatened to expose the US desire for “full spectrum dominance” as impracticable and also constituted a direct revolt against US control, the US had to try to curtail it and now is stuck with the Ukrainian tar baby, unable to extricate itself without humiliation and massive defeat for its hegemonic project. Hence the US doubling down against Russia. They still believe that they will prevail, although some of their actions already look rather panicky and humiliating.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 12 2022 3:44 utc | 360

Don,
You’re an idiot at best, a troll at worst. I hesitate to call you a troll as I do have some respect for trolls.
I said to you 9 or 18 months ago that you’re an idiot simply because you think Smedley was some sort of hero.
You did better than most of the dipshits as far as longevity goes, but give an idiot enough time and he will expose himself as an idiot.
Bravo dumbass.

Posted by: David F | Oct 12 2022 3:52 utc | 361

michaelj72 | Oct 12 2022 3:21 utc | 354
Muh Vietnam. Rookie numbers.
North Korea.
By their own estimates they killed 20-25% of the population.
They’d run out of bombing targets as “no brick stood on top of another”, and the people were living in caves and eating grass.
They also released bubonic plague via infected mosquitoes …. Bio weapons being a “new” fun addition to the quiver of killing.
They, of course, wanted to use nukes, but by then the Soviet Union had developed theirs, and said “nyet”…
——-
Muh. Kim is a madman.
Heels Up Harris was back to peering across the DMZ with binoculars last month.
Trump managed to get one foot across the line…
Why does the U$ care about NK…. Evidently there’s $10trillion in minerals and other resources. Completely untouched and waiting for U$ companies to appropriate.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 3:53 utc | 362

Trolls like TomUK and fnord, and joe#### are not here to engage. They are flame throwers only intent on disrupting and inciting. It is sanctimonious dupes with their liberal claptrap about protecting free speech that has allowed subversive troll farms into their country like the NED leading to color revolutions and have brought the state of the world to what it is today. I really wonder why b would ban posters like vk but not these cretins. Admittedly, they make easy targets and I guess some regulars enjoy shooting fish in a barrel. Their presence has dramatically lowered the quality of this site.

Posted by: Jun | Oct 12 2022 4:10 utc | 363

It occurs to me the demoralizing effect on the ukranian civilian population caused by the missile attacks is going to have an effect on the Ukranian soldiers.
You know the soldiers are getting cell phone messages from their families about loss of power and water. In which case they have to worry both about their enemy as well as their family.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Oct 12 2022 4:10 utc | 364

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 12 2022 3:44 utc | 358
“and especially the existence of willing collaborators or compradors in every country who desire to turn their own countries into doormats for the US in the hopes that they as individuals, with their families, can achieve some intermediate protected status as local rulers on behalf of their distant puppet masters. The US power elite believe…”
I think delineating all this as being US-based and US-centric is an over-simplification, indeed perhaps misleading. As the US declines they will be switching ships and indeed are already all over the world. They despise and abuse US citizens as much as they do any others. We are now caught up in events which reverberate world wide with most nation states seemingly responding in lock step, first with covid pandemic response and mass vaccination and now with geopolitical pushmepullyou dynamics. I think what is going on transcends the interests and capabilities of any particular nation state.
That said, it certainly does look like Russia is pushing against this internationally inter-connected cabal funded by numerous nation-states and multinational corporates both prosecuting a kinetic operation in Ukraine whilst also energetically advocating the doctrine of nation state sovereignty working in tandem with other sovereign polities and building working alliances in accord with those principles.
I say ‘look like’ because Russia is well connected with many of the global movements currently being pursued by so many different states including mass vaccination, digital currency research and development, social credit systems becoming integrated with cashless spending authorization, para-national agendas including promoting international laws based in the UN and so forth, all of which can easily become agents undermining the same sovereignty they are ostensibly – and very eloquently so – espousing.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 4:11 utc | 365

Opport Knocks @ 342
That is a new one on me, Winthrop R was daddy? All Presidents since WWII are guided into office by the intelligence agency connected Wall Street Club. Anyone who gets by their net is dealt with severely. Nixon is a prime example. So is Reagan. Obama is a classic. Mom was a career CIA officer. She worked in Indonesia doing village surveys during the massacres of the left. They were identifying anyone on the left and killing them. Those lovely Democrats, hear no evil, see no evil.
There is a boys club of young-lings they groom for office. It all based on a mentoring system. I fear for Tulsi. If she hooks up with Desantis look out. They will demolish everything in sight.
Even the Ukrainians might take her out. They fear the coming republican wave as many are opposed to this NATO operation.
We live in very strange times. I smell a lone nut with a gun.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 12 2022 4:12 utc | 366

Cabe @ 358
The endgame is inchoate and ever-evolving. The US moves its Ukrainian pieces on the board of the Great Game, as it moves its Syrian, Afghani, and Taiwanese pawns. Inexorably, the underlying US policy has remained the same for at least 30 years:
“Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power. These regions include Western Europe, East Asia, the territory of the former Soviet Union, and Southwest Asia.
“There are three additional aspects to this objective: First the U.S must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests. Second, in the non-defense areas, we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order. Finally, we must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.”

Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 12 2022 4:18 utc | 367

Propaganda.. this is how it’s done. A Masterclass in 2minutes.
Wish I was a tech guy and could timestamp.
Here’s a 70s interview with a CIA guy explaining exactly how they plant false stories and manipulate global media to pick up and amplify.
Start at 28:00min in watch.. 2:45mins of absolute truth bomb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vav_pvzaEaY
Explaining how to have people believe Cuban communists eat babies for breakfast.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 4:21 utc | 368

Objective Observer | Oct 12 2022 4:18 utc | 365
“……we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership”
Ooops. They’ve likely overplayed their hand in Europe. Twitter and telegram have the widespread protests that are ignored by the controlled media.
Of course, while people are punching each other in the petrol or bread line, they aren’t finding solidarity against the Elite and Entitled..the real thieves and queue jumpers.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 12 2022 4:28 utc | 369

Melaleuca @ 367
Yep…we see how the US accounts for the interests of advanced industrial nations (i.e., Europe)…they sacrifice the welfare of the general populace for the welfare of the entrenched elite. While some of the elite will lose their wealth (those associated with NordStream and some other corporations that will go bankrupt as a result of the ongoing economic crisis), disaster capitalism will simply transfer the remaining wealth into new hands and consolidate it in the hands of others. I see many people out in the streets as you do, but Baerbock’s statement about her fealty to NATO/US/Ukraine over the citizens of her country reflects the direction of European politics. Ignoring the will of the people and suppressing the voice of the people. At this moment, tired after a long day, I am not hopeful.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 12 2022 4:43 utc | 370

@ Objective Observer | Oct 12 2022 4:18 utc | 365
Fair enough. But do not overlook the increasing aggressiveness and aggression of the US hegemonist cabal in the flux. They do not only want to exclude the rise of rivals; they want to control and micromanage everything down to the last detail. The only restraint against their intrusiveness is that there is too much to surveil.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 12 2022 4:44 utc | 371

@ Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 4:11 utc | 363
Always appreciative of your posts.
Yes, it is not all US-centric, true, as there are non-US members of the same elite, such as the egregious Klaus Schwab. But it is still centered in the US power elite.
Also, you say, “They despise and abuse US citizens as much as they do any others.” Indeed, those elites are traitors to the people of the country, and they don’t give a fig for either the discontented nationalists of the right, including the so-called “Trumpists,” nor for the oh-so-politically-correct liberals of the so-called “left” who are falling all over themselves defending the system.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 12 2022 4:53 utc | 372

Trolls like TomUK and fnord, and joe#### are not here to engage. They are flame throwers only intent on disrupting and inciting. It is sanctimonious dupes with their liberal claptrap about protecting free speech that has allowed subversive troll farms into their country like the NED leading to color revolutions and have brought the state of the world to what it is today. I really wonder why b would ban posters like vk but not these cretins. Admittedly, they make easy targets and I guess some regulars enjoy shooting fish in a barrel. Their presence has dramatically lowered the quality of this site.
Posted by: Jun | Oct 12 2022 4:10 utc | 361
This phenomenon is not unique to MOA. It takes place in most German forums. Thus, it can be assumed that forums in any other European country are also affected.

Posted by: oldwoman | Oct 12 2022 4:55 utc | 373

@ Cabe | Oct 12 2022 3:44 utc | 358
thanks for saying all that…. i would just like to basically support @ Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 4:11 utc | 363 commentary that this is more then just usa based… it definitely is about finances and financial control… the politicians for many countries – uk, canada, australia and much of europe are completely captured by these financial oligarchs which operate in a somewhat shadowy and hidden manner.. but much of the leadership seems based in the usa-uk as i see it.. as i articulated to norwegian @ james | Oct 11 2022 19:25 utc | 240, it is more complicated then just putting it on one country, but regardless the political spectrum is run by this shadowy financial oligarchy… call it the imf, world bank, bis, oil and commodities traded in us$ and etc which was set up out of bretton woods and is set up to favour an ongoing position of financial power in the usa-uk hands…. russia and china have to be kept out of it.. we are at the circling the wagons stage here….
will these same folks ramp up? they already have proven they will and they are – nordstream and the kerch bridge being the latest examples… i don’t see an end in sight and it is clear they don’t give a rats ass about others… so, you have that part exactly right…

Posted by: james | Oct 12 2022 4:58 utc | 374

US says it has no intention of placing troops in Ukraine.
I interperate this to mean that it has already placed troops in Ukraine and is making preparations for increased troop deployment. They will find some way to claim that this does not represent direct conflict with Russia.
It has become regular technique that our government denies doing exactly what it is doing and then (often falsely) accuses other party for doing what they are in fact doing.
Then when they are caught “red-handed” they will deny having done it.
Something is true only if they claim that it is true.
It is what you can do when you control the bulk of the widespread media.

Posted by: jared | Oct 12 2022 5:02 utc | 375

@ jared | Oct 12 2022 5:02 utc | 373
that is so true jared… whatever the usa says – definitely believe the exact opposite… this is another part of the ramping up process which you know they are going to take…. they don’t have an exit strategy and are happy to make like this war is russias war when in fact it is very much usa-uk dragging nato with feet kicking as far as they can possibly drag them here… europe is too stupid to cry uncle yet… not sure if they have it in them… i include canada and australia in the stupidity dept too…
oh and yes, i do agree with c1ue – this can drag on for much longer then i care to think about… but i think we are are a critical turning point, even if it is another 10, 20 or 50 years in the making..

Posted by: james | Oct 12 2022 5:06 utc | 376

Every bar has it’s trolls, some make things interesting, some are just annoying, allegedly there are also resident trolls who make new trolls go away, sometimes the result is a headache the next morning that clearly doesn’t have anything to do with the whiskey.

Posted by: proteiros | Oct 12 2022 5:09 utc | 377

I don’t know if anyone posted this link: https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/ on how the British MI6 were directly involved in the Kerch bridge sabotage.

Posted by: Chris | Oct 12 2022 5:15 utc | 378

Posted by: Jun | Oct 12 2022 4:10 utc | 361
+1
I always rather enjoyed vk being here for the most part.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 12 2022 5:27 utc | 379

Hankster@304
The Kiwis are one-upping the Aussies. Latest madness is an ongoing scheme to tax cow-farts. The so-called global warning movement has devolved into cloud-coocoo land.
Methane, OMG. Aren’t they aware of the monstrous methane effusions coming out of the warming Arctic regions right across the top of the world? And these nutcases are following the WEF “let them eat bugs” agenda (as also is happening in the Netherlands) by shutting down agricultural production.
The Club of Rome and other Rottenfeller sponsored eugenicists must have quite the glow-on these days as their bedizened acolytes seem blissfully unaware of the implications of possible worldwide famine.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 5:40 utc | 380

@ scorpion 358
US – centric
There was a theory floating round long ago that once the first monkey learned a trick, all of the other monkeys would automatically instinctively follow.
So the US decided to give monkeydom a boost by energetically manipulating some groups in the world. Thatcher’s sale of government Council houses has taught the British monkeys to vastly inflate property prices to the extent that most people can’t afford property.
Then , in the Muslim world they decided to use psychological medication and rendition to manipulate who the victim blamed for all their ills. They provoke the brain with torture and then zap where the blood supply is going with Lithium. This modifies the Muslim education of compassion and creates terrorists. Now most Muslims think terrorism is Islam.
Hilariously this creates a situation where Muslims are both kings and Queen’s of the property markets and obsessed with terrorism AT THE SAME TIME . A toxic mix which both scares and attracts British non- Muslims, since they now emulate the wealth while failing to understand that they are going to be the recipients of the terrorism, not tge perpetrators.
In Ujraine, the US has brainwashed the community into Racism and Nazism fully intending ,to teach the European monkeys how to accept tge right-wing spectrum.
Nazism created this mind manipulation style of education ifvthe species with Dr Mengeles.
The audacity of US evil is scary, promulgated by WEF training our next generation of leaders, like Nicola Sturgeon, promulgated by Victoria Nuland in turning US power against their own allies in Europe, promulgated by Trump in publicly supporting White Supremacy,
But this monkey theory works both ways, and it is synchronising the opposition to Nazism just as quickly as the US is spreading evil. The Muslims of the world now have a choice in Russia against the US,vand believe me the Muslims will far outweigh the monkey power of the US, very soon. Vladimir Putin has only just started and he knows exactly what he is doing and how and why.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 12 2022 5:44 utc | 381

Looks as if Bulgaria is now paying attention as to which way the winds are blowing towards the EU from the frozen steppes of Siberia. They are getting shaky about remaining part of the herd and following the U$$A bell-cow. Seems like something is brewing amongst Serbia, Hungary and now quite possibly Bulgaria. When Russia makes its moves on Nicolayev and Odessa, the Romanians, North Macedonians and Montenegrins may also develop thoughts about the wisdom of sticking with the EU and NATOstan.
After all, a collapsing Germany will no longer be able to subsidize the quivering economies in the Balkans.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 5:46 utc | 382

@Tom-UK # All.
I see you’re posting your usual onesided. mentality welded within an armoured steel box, comments.
I do try not to admire your tenacity.
To continually make an utter pillock of yourself takes either an incredible amount of self unawareness or blind idiocy.
Posted by: Beibdnn. | Oct 11 2022 15:29 utc | 134
A number of commenters have wondered why Tom-UK seems so immune to rational argument.
They [deliberate use of the plural] appear to be playing the troll game at level 2.
Level 1 is to irritate the rest of the commenters and provoke contention, driving readers away. All trolls do this.
Level 2 does that and more, aiming not primarily at MOA regulars who think the trolls’ comments are ridiculous, but passers-by who might come across the site. Tom-UK offers a comfortable rehash of official narrative for new visitors to read, while inciting MOA regulars into invective that discredits them and makes them sound like a bunch of loonies, or into lengthy lessons on why history didn’t start in February 2022. Both are a huge waste of time for MOA regulars, though the latter aren’t a bad thing for newbies.
So, small suggestion: put a Ukraine history FAQ somewhere on the site, and every time some troll repeats an imperial narrative like “the war started when Putin rolled his tanks across Ukraine’s borders”, you can say “please read the FAQ before commenting.”

Posted by: TM | Oct 12 2022 5:51 utc | 383

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 5:46 utc | 380

Seems like something is brewing amongst Serbia, Hungary and now quite possibly Bulgaria.

I’ve been waiting for this. Bulgaria is the key state required to build fuel lines directly from Russia to Serbia via the Black Sea, thereby making Serbia energy independent of the EU and Ukraine
They’re the last required piece in a 3 piece puzzle.
After that Serbia can end it’s hostage status to the EU.
(Assuming there’s no NATO intervention, of course)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 5:53 utc | 384

jared #373
Thank you. This is the rules based order and we are expected to obey.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 12 2022 6:38 utc | 385

melaleuca #295
If the uke troops aren’t trained by now since 2014 and 9 months of battle, then no Aussie wannabe soldiers will make any difference.
My guess is with you – mission creeps.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 12 2022 6:45 utc | 386

@TM | Oct 12 2022 5:51 utc | 381
But b loves tomuk so better stop visiting the blog. Let them talk alone, with the other troll, shitoda

Posted by: rk | Oct 12 2022 6:51 utc | 387

The “Russian bear” is not cornered, but is rather getting ready for phase-2: gloves off. If policy remains unchanged, Europe risks massive deindustrialisation, with problems sounding the death knell for the EU. That is the gist of part 2 of “Opinion makers on the Ukraine crisis and the reality of the hybrid war against Russia”. Part 2 is entitled “The reality of the conflict and fallout for the European Union. The link is:
https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2022/10/11/opiniemakers-over-de-oekrainecrisis-en-de-realiteit-over-de-hybride-oorlog-tegen-rusland-2/
As ever, the Google Translate tool in the top right corner of my website will translate the Dutch text into your preferred language.

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Oct 12 2022 7:01 utc | 388

Goal of Russia? To be left alone.
Same as all other sane people and most of the rest of the globe.
Posted by: Average Joe | Oct 12 2022 0:52 utc | 335
And yes it’s as simple as that @

Posted by: jpc | Oct 12 2022 7:08 utc | 389

Another pipeline sabotaged!
Leak found on key Russian oil pipeline to Germany – Polish operator
The cause of the breach on the Druzhba pipeline is not yet known, the route’s operator says
https://swentr.site/news/564508-poland-druzhba-pipeline-leak/

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 12 2022 7:08 utc | 390

Please win Russia!
Please win, for the rest of the world is counting on you!

Posted by: Smith | Oct 12 2022 7:26 utc | 391

Sergei Lavrov states that American troops as well as those from other Western regimes are on the ground fighting in Ukraine: …..
If this is true, …
Posted by: ak74 | Oct 11 2022 22:39 utc | 302
This has been the only sensible conclusion for months. RF updates refer to these people as instructions or advisors but they have been creeping ever closer to the front lines, in ever greater numbers. Beyond the claimed destruction of “command posts”, RF will also have an undisclosed view of foreign agents and mercenaries in Ukraine, via its intelligence sources.
Even at MoA, the usual minimisers and scabs have exploited the lack of naked proof to downplay or outright rubbish the suggestion, as is their wont on all sponsored topics.
That Lavrov has chosen to state the matter more plainly signals a firmer diplomatic stance, not any sudden evolution of the subject matter.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 12 2022 7:56 utc | 392

It looks as if the West is losing charisma.
Our trade comes with sanctions.
Our technology comes with embargoes.
Our Olympic games exclude.
Our Nobel prizes go to Russian dissidents and US presidents.
Where our NGO’s go, strife and revolution follows.
What does this mean for the future?
Others are going to organize trade, technology, sports games and scientific prizes without us.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 12 2022 7:57 utc | 393

Anywho, I wonder why Putin does not just take out the criminal Zelensky and his band of Nazis? Presumably cooler heads would prevail, perhaps not though.
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 11 2022 22:25 utc | 298
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Turn off Zelenski?
Why, so that He becomes Mythic and Worshiped ?
It would be a big mistake to shut down this actor now!
Maybe the CIA MI6 is still doing it themselves to admit their icon to the Ukrainians to keep morale up, be sure there are enough Ukrainians standing behind him and worshiping him!
Apart from the foreign policy clamor of the media, Putin would be doing them a great favor with such an order, and Biden and & would even be happy about it!
As I said, CIA / MI & and probably some in his environment are probably waiting for the right moment…. which of course were the Russians!
The moment doesn’t seem to have come yet in the Pentagon, possibly after Biden’s between elections, whichever outcome may affect the day of death.
At the moment he is still being used in the US Senate as an icon of “freedom” – the current successes of the SMO already pose enough problems for Biden!
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To the use of S300.
Just for info, the S300 had the option to deactivate the ratar head of the projectiles in my time so that this weapon could then be used for ground-to-ground targets! Also, NO radar activity was necessary for such operations, so this system could be used without the oncoming radar being able to detect it. Thanks to the flat trajectory, it was also very difficult to calculate the exact location for counterattacks from ballistics.
But !!!! The S300 was almost never used as a ground weapon, on the one hand this application was almost unknown and on the other hand it was too expensive for training purposes at the time!

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 12 2022 8:12 utc | 394

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 11 2022 22:50 utc | 306
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 12 2022 0:07 utc | 321
Great posts.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 12 2022 8:16 utc | 395

An unprecedented event in the history of joint exercises: due to the lack (https://t.me/sputnik/15058) of shells in Japan, the firing of American HIMARS was canceled.
Joint exercises of the Japanese ground forces and the US Marine Corps are taking place from October 1 to October 14 at Japan’s largest military training ground.
The American side did not bring shells. The Japanese Ministry of Defense explained this with procedural problems, the Nikkei newspaper reports.
Once again, ammunition shortages seem to be projecting by Nato controlled MSM.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13673

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2022 8:23 utc | 396

I notice that the German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht went to Odessa instead of Kiev last week to meet her Ukrainian counterpart. Maybe Kiev seemed just too dangerous ….
Posted by: Martina | Oct 12 2022 0:41 utc | 328
At the time there were pretty regular attacks on Odessa & environs, yet none on Kiev for a couple of weeks, if memory serves.
That visit was so impromptu, the location so incongruous, I wondered at an ulterior motive for it.
All I came up with was the possibility that she’d accompanied an especially high value weapons shipment as a willing human shield. I couldn’t find anything to indicate what mode of transport she’d used or her recent other movements that might have ruled out this idea … she made a song and dance about IRIS-T air defense systems, perhaps they were secretly delivered that very day =)
Sure, these people are dumb, but they are *also* dumb, not *only* dumb. There is such a thing as dumb schemers and creeps =)

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 12 2022 8:31 utc | 397

Russia have no defense against Ukraine, it is obvious. More areas taken over by Ukraine past hours:

The Ukrainian offensive in Kherson region continues.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine officially acknowledged these settlements in Beryslav district were liberated: Novovasylivka, Novohryhorivka, Nova Kam’yanka, Tryfonivka and Chervone.

https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1580018846970548225
Instead Russia bomb electricity sites! Why are Russia afraid of bombing the people in charge?! The ukrainian intelligence services, the political leadership?!

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 12 2022 8:40 utc | 398

@ unimperator | Oct 12 2022 8:23 utc | 394
I don’t know whether to take that and various other reports of “no gas left in the tank” at face value.
Are Nazo elite actually pleased with the meme of it being short on ammo? If so, why? To lobby for increased budgets and profits? To look weak despite being strong? To moderate Elensky Army firepower and thereby avoid quick Russian escalation and quick end to this particular battle? Some other reason?

Posted by: dfg | Oct 12 2022 8:44 utc | 399

@Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 1:30 utc | 341 Med’ gas field, Israel
Cc: Melaleuca
My post #291 dealt with scumbag UK / Gibraltar. Melaleuca #290 deserves the credit for this interesting topic + plausible aspect.
Apropos gas: I’m in the process of investing an average annual German net income into geothermal wells to heat my house. Yes, that’s green shit, but it is likewise something that has become viable because of geopolitical circumstances. It definitely has a better appeal to me than being dependent on frickin’ fracking LNG from the US or gas from Israel for which these bastards are willing to wage war with Lebanon. BDS both! .

Posted by: OttoE | Oct 12 2022 8:49 utc | 400

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