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October 11, 2022
Ukraine – War Propaganda And News Items

Today Russia's missile and drone onslaught on Ukrainian infrastructure continues. I yesterday posted 25 headlines which over the last 7 month  predicted that Russia would soon 'run out of missiles'.

For laughs: The 'coping' mechanism after yesterday's 200+ missile and drones is the very same I had debunked:

Dmitri Alperovitch @DAlperovitch – 14:48 UTC · Oct 10, 2022

As horrible as today was for Ukraine today, the sliver of good news here is that Russia likely can’t sustain this rate of missile launches. It’s very telling that they have not had this rate of long range fires since the start of the war.

The NY Times is lying:

With Civilian Attacks, Putin Gives Hard-Liners What They Wanted

'Civilian attacks' when, as the NYT itself reports, only 14 persons were killed and less than 100 wounded yesterday during 200+ missile and drone strikes:

The attacks killed at least 14 and wounded scores of others, while countless more in cities across Ukraine were terrified by dozens of incoming missiles explicitly targeting civilian infrastructure.

How many of those were killed by Ukrainian air defense misses is not known. It is sad that people get killed in a war but sometimes unavoidable.

The Ukraine military has killed way more civilians by its artillery strikes on Donetsk city. In 2003 U.S. 'shock and awe' in Baghdad killed at least 10,000 people. Israel kills hundreds of civilians during each of its frequent onslaughts on Gaza. Russia is obviously avoiding to kill civilians but still gets accused of doing it.

Who is really killing Ukrainian civilians?

Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal – 6:23 UTC · Oct 10, 2022

"We haven't any time to put them in jail. They disappeared… somewhere"
A local official jokes of massacring pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine in towns vacated by Russian forces
The human rights industry is basically forbidden from acknowledging this

Quoted Tweet
Анатолий Шарий @anatoliisharii – 18:50 UTC · Oct 9, 2022

A district deputy from Ukraine brags to a Zelensky-affiliated channel “journalist” how they killed many Ukrainians they considered to be “enemy agents.” "These people gone missing". It’s fun for them. Embedded video

Ukrainian is false flagging its murdering of civilian 'collaborators':

War CrimesDreizin Report

Russia had so far also avoided to hit significant Ukrainian infrastructure. Yesterday its President Vladimir Putin explained why it had to change that. The Dugina murder, sabotage attacks within Russia, NATO destroying Nord Stream 2, and the Kerch bridge attack changed the picture:

The President held a briefing session with permanent members of the Security Council, via videoconference. – Kremlin


Thus, the Kiev regime, by its actions, has actually put itself on the same level as international terrorist groups, and with the most odious of those. It is simply no longer possible to leave crimes of this kind without retaliation.

This morning, at the proposal of the Defence Ministry and in accordance with the plan of Russia’s General Staff, a massive strike was launched with long-range precision air, sea and land-based weapons against Ukrainian energy, military and communications facilities.

In the event of more attempts to stage terrorist attacks on our territory, Russia's response will be harsh and commensurate with the threats posed to the Russian Federation. Nobody should have any doubts about that.

Kit has a nice scoop:

Kit Klarenberg @KitKlarenberg – 18:25 UTC · 10 Oct 2022

Now, this is pretty big. Advise you read in full. In brief though, "audacious" plans for destroying #KerchBridge drawn up at request of infamous British military spook Chris Donnelly, at precisely the time London was sabotaging peace talks between Russia and Ukraine this April.
EXPOSED: Before Ukraine blew up Kerch Bridge, British spies plotted itGrayzone

MoA has previously exposed Donnelly and his Institute for Statecraft:

The 'Integrity Initiative' – A Military Intelligence Operation, Disguised As Charity, To Create The "Russian Threat"

Realism setting in:

Don't Buy the Narrative on UkraineAmerican Conservative
The Western party line about a struggling Russia and a resilient Ukraine overlooks hard realities.

Whitney is citing the OSCE reports without crediting MoA which covered them before the start of the war:

Some of Us Don't Think the Russian Invasion Was "Aggression." Here's Why. – M. Whitney / UNZ

Comments

@Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 14:20 utc | 93
Allright then, I’ll submit: You’re cretinous beyond belief.
* plonk *

Posted by: Lurk | Oct 11 2022 14:28 utc | 101

Stoltenberg means that losing Ukraine will defeat Nato. Why?
@unimperator | Oct 11 2022 14:26 utc | 95

Clap if you believe in Tinkerbell.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 11 2022 14:31 utc | 102

Tom UK [93]
You have been terribly educated to write such drivel. No one believes war emerges from nowhere without provocation.
You may be ignorant but you should reflect that the history you do not know is the history that motivates people in other countries to loathe and despise you
UK has a long history and you seem oblivious to it so do not be surprised to get beaten up by foreigners with scores to settle for they have not forgotten

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 11 2022 14:32 utc | 103

“The Grayzone has obtained an April 2022 presentation drawn up for senior British intelligence officers hashing out an elaborate scheme to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge with the involvement of specially trained Ukrainian soldiers. Almost six months after the plan was circulated, Kerch Bridge was attacked in an October 8th suicide bombing apparently overseen by Ukraine’s SBU intelligence services.”
The imperialist British spy networks at work, spreading agression, chaos and terror across the globe. There is no negotiation possible with those cunning predators and terrorists: only the sword.
Great investigative journalism by the team of “The Grayzone”. https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/

Posted by: Kareem | Oct 11 2022 14:34 utc | 104

Zelensky asks for support at the G7 level for an international mission on the border of Ukraine and Belarus

https://t.me/azmilitary11/24537

Posted by: Down South | Oct 11 2022 14:34 utc | 105

if you want a hint, perhaps, of why the Western brain trust seems lacking, why the NYT today reports that the favorite pastime of NFL players is no, not getting CAT scans or being in traction or having knee surgery or using a wheelchair after 2 years in the NFL, or dying hideously early even for Americans, no,
it’s CHESS.
the crisis of collapse creates exposure of the mechanisms of rule. we won’t remain in Oz for very long, back to horrible Kansas. the moths and the rust are devouring the curtains and the wardrobe and image factory. time for the wizard to meet its end, too.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 11 2022 14:35 utc | 106

@Mo3 | Oct 11 2022 14:28 utc | 99

Do you know the tactical specifications of the S300?
No….. read up on what’s in there!
S300 is an ideal weapon to engage ground targets up to a distance of 25 km.

This (the part that I quoted in bold) is precisely why troll suggestions that Russia is using S300’s as cruise missiles against civilian targets in Kiev is so laughable.

Posted by: Lurk | Oct 11 2022 14:36 utc | 107

S300 is NOT comparable to the S400 and S500 system modified for Russians and Russian Army only.
Both versions are ONLY exported in the basic version…the modified versions are ONLY reserved for Russia!
addendum :
All Western air defense systems, including the German system and especially that !!!
It’s miles away from today’s anti-aircraft requirements, keyword hypersonic!
Only the system S500 of the Russians in the special edition FOR ONLY Russia can achieve hypersonic (up to Mach 12) at all!
You are an instant millionaire if you are able to pass 1 such system to NATO !!!

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 11 2022 14:37 utc | 108

Trolls are back. Tom-UK, A.Z and others. First they were complaining about Russians and Putin being soft and weak. You got your wish granted. Now suddenly there is concern for civilian lives and such.
Ukrainian Air Defense missiles falling down on the cities and the population, and that is Russia’s fault, hadn’t they attacked, UK would not have to fire AD missiles and they (the missiles) would not have to fall down. Seriously? Do you hear yourself?
I am going against my own rule – ignore the trolls, pretend they are not here.

Posted by: zidar | Oct 11 2022 14:37 utc | 109

@moaobserver 11
May I add my congratulations and felicitations on an excellent intersubjectively verifiable theory with great explanatory power to those of @Scorpion 19. This may be the best post I have seen all year.

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 11 2022 14:39 utc | 110

… Taxes levied on americans arent even necessary. They’re used for controlling individual wealth accumulation, but certainly play no part regarding budgetary spending.
It only comes to an end if we lose in ukraine. And when I say “we”, I mean the donkeys left holding the bag. The real culprits will be off setting up their new homes.
Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 11 2022 14:17 utc | 90

This seems like an important point. Perhaps the US is suffering from a form of Resource Curse, where the resource is the dollar, and US national debt is a form of toxic waste whose effects will persist long after the well is pumped dry.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 11 2022 14:44 utc | 111

This (the part that I quoted in bold) is precisely why troll suggestions that Russia is using S300’s as cruise missiles against civilian targets in Kiev is so laughable.
Posted by: Lurk | Oct 11 2022 14:36 utc | 106
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Not only that !
The explosive power of the S300 is almost ridiculous, except for its fragmentation effect.
This is precisely why this system is often used against ground targets!
BUT…hardly any commander knows of this application….as I said, the system is very OLD!!! And training for that well about 35 years ago…. where were today’s commanders there… Kindergarten Quarck in the shop window???
About NATO and Stolltenberg:
Without a war in the Ukraine (Europe), this NATO would have lost its raison d’être in public = loss for armament billions in profits!

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 11 2022 14:45 utc | 112

@unimperator | Oct 11 2022 14:26 utc | 95

We already heard some dissenting EU voices which, reading between the lines depict the reality as US sacrificing EU, but as if there is some mysterious force preventing anyone doing anything about it.

You may not have seen or heard that speech by Putin this week, in which he said that the USA systematically spies on all politicians and government officials of its vassals. If they stray the line, they are taken out, one way or the other.
Remember Angela Merkel’s phone? It was an outrage for an hour, a story for a day, and then it simply vanished. Gone.
Those who do not comply on “polite request” get to experience harsher measures. Remember Julian Assange, and then consider how much consideration his fate has received from the entire collective western corporate press (his nominal “colleagues”). I would extend Putin’s observations about surveiilance to journalists, editors and also all top corporate managment.

Posted by: Lurk | Oct 11 2022 14:46 utc | 113

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 11 2022 14:26 utc | 95

+1

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 11 2022 14:47 utc | 114

Russia’s victory in the conflict in Ukraine will be NATO’s defeat, this cannot be allowed. – Stoltenberg”
For once they stated the obvious. This will be war without end.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 11 2022 14:49 utc | 115

@Paul Greenwood | Oct 11 2022 14:32 utc | 102
Paul, “Tom UK” is paid to be ignorant. He’s not going to learn from anything you say. Only paying him more than his current salary will change his mind.

Posted by: Lurk | Oct 11 2022 14:51 utc | 116

@102 Paul Greenwood
The history of the British is a long and chequered one. Perspectives of that history would differ from country to country, the Irish perspective for one would be a damning one and rightly so.
Is Russia’s hostility to its neighbours and where it seeks to eradicate Ukraine from existence so different to the British treatment of the Irish?
At what point does ‘might makes it right’ become acceptable?
There has to be a point when a country, that is so widely disliked by its near neighbours, might start to reflect the problem may lie with them.

Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 14:56 utc | 117

James C @ 30
For Ukraine air defenses to accomplish anything they have to be manned. The associated radar systems have to be manned. A wide range of skilled personnel and high maintenance equipment has to be working. What they are failing to shoot down is largely old inventory subsonic cruise missiles from the 80s. Russia is using up the old stuff. Because there is no need to use the good stuff.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 11 2022 14:59 utc | 118

The national debt is a form of toxic waste whose effects will persist long after the well is pumped dry.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 11 2022 14:44 utc | 110

This is why MoA and a few other select sites are fun – smart people can be amused by the absurd.
Example: in defense of the Fed.res (aka credit money), the Bernak promoted the proposition that debt is an asset held by another party, and therefore possessed tangible ‘value’.
For the genius concept of ‘qualitative easing’ (which is now just straight up MMT), he’s being awarded the Nobel prize in economics.

But back to your main point. No, when it blows it’s zeros the whole way down. No residual waste, no overhang, no obligations. Just a broad repudiation of onerous debt settled on dummies.

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 11 2022 14:59 utc | 119

@108 zidar
Trolls are back. Tom-UK, A.Z and others. First they were complaining about Russians and Putin being soft and weak. You got your wish granted. Now suddenly there is concern for civilian lives and such.
Do you not have concern for civilian lives?
Attacking civilian targets is counter productive. It hardens the resolve of the population, increases nationalist sentiment and deepens the belief that Russia wishes to eradicate Ukrainians. It also eliminates room for peace negotiations (not that there is much room, but clearly both sides do talk as the recent prisoner exchange demonstrated).
Infrastructure targets are logical. Civilian targets is just dumb and does not impact the front line military situation. All Russia has done with the SMO is buy itself generations of hate from countries around it. And, militarily it is losing ground in the disputed territories. But if chucking missiles, drones, or whatever they are, at population centres makes everyone feel better then go ahead.

Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 15:10 utc | 120

@ Moaobserver 11
ClusterB mentalities.
I notice that Institute for Statecraft homoglobe Chris Donnelly referred to in yesterday’s post on MoA, made his main message in his comment on Nato’s plans to destroy the Kerch Bridge an affirmation of the spook group think that pays his wages.
” This is an impressive piece of work ” a weird grovelling to his paymasters, which reminds me of the grovelling of poets to their patrons in olden days.
The fact that it is illegal, unhelpful, undemocratic, and inadvisable is left unmentioned, but he secures his pension first and foremost.
There is something annoying about this , maybe because my way of thinking intuitively is put down by the academic classes as pseudo intellectual or Cluster B mentality.
In my book anybody whose main object is his or her remuneration, the reaffirmation of shared corruption, that is deeply psychologically flawed.
I think those whose focus is primarily on their salaries and status really do find spontaneous and instantaneous honesty rather repellant. Cluster B is just another of those shrink labels that intrinsically are meaningless.
Cock-suckers will always be disgusted by truth, and vice versa. While real psychologists regard the opportunity to communicate with their fellow human beings as a wonderful privilege.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 11 2022 15:11 utc | 121

I’m laughing hard here. The anus of the “insincere” (to put it charitably) poster Troll UK has apparently been raped so hard by Russian missiles that it is emitting Cherenkov radiation. This is taking “butthurt” to a whole new level!
I suspect Trollwoda is absent at the moment because he is enjoying having his rectum delusional worldview brutally violated.
Some people are like that you know, and it is most common among Nazi-lovers.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 11 2022 15:12 utc | 122

@Lurk #100, #115
This commenter could not have expressed it better. Reminder to all sincere commenters to not engage Tom GCHQ/77th Brigade and other clearly paid trolls/shills. Ignoring them will not keep them from commenting, but it will defeat their purpose, which is to drive sincere commenters away (and thus contribute to eliminating “narrative resistance” in this part of the information battlespace).

Posted by: Cynica | Oct 11 2022 15:12 utc | 123

Tom UK @ 119
Name a country, near or far, that loves the UK.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 11 2022 15:14 utc | 124

“…The goal, as it is almost always presented carefully by outlets like the NYT, is the empire of finance capitalism wearing pancake makeup of philosophical liberalism.”
Posted by: Lex | Oct 11 2022 13:06 utc | 52
That’s quite beautiful, Lex. Deserves a repeat. And I say that as one who holds deep affection for philosophical liberalism!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 11 2022 15:14 utc | 125

Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 14:56 utc | 116
Quote:
“There has to be a point when a country, that is so widely disliked by its near neighbours, might start to reflect the problem may lie with them.”
* * *
Accordingly, and after centuries, the UK might begin to consider why it is so deeply hated in Europe.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Oct 11 2022 15:15 utc | 126

Glad to see someone in the world pointing out that numbers show, if anything, that Russia is not targeting civilians! Actually unbelievable careful.
As for Chris Donnelly’s “plans” to target the bridge, if you read the details, it has nothing, nothing to do with the execution of the last attack. It’s almost the opposite, targets a completely different part of the bridge and ignores the key concepts of the plan. Exploding a truck load is a plan conceived by absolute idiots or by people who went you of their way to keep the bridge intact. You pick. But no engineer in the whole wide world would say you can damage a large bridge with an explosion driving on top. It’s designed to withstand so much more! It was a symbolic act only. By which party, one can only guess. But I do notice Putin uses the latest string of attacks with unclear origin to justify the targeting of infrastructure. But for whom did he need “reasons”? Enough said.

Posted by: John Dowser | Oct 11 2022 15:15 utc | 127

@TempoNick #5
Always beware Conservative/Republican-Derangement-Syndrome.
It was Clinton who first broke the President Daddy Bush/James Baker promises of “not one inch Eastward”.
It was Clinton era diplomats and programs, with Clinton presiding, that were enacted during almost all of the Russian “Lost Decade”.
If anything, Dubya Bush was the chief benefactor of Putin’s attempts to work with the West. Putin conspicuously supported Dubya Bush’s War on Terrah, for example.
I am not saying the neocons were pro- or neutral on Russia – because they clearly are not.
I am saying that it is utterly ludicrous to try and assign blame for American policies on Russia to any one party, person or side.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2022 15:20 utc | 128

@A.z #10
Utterly idiotic.
If Ukraine only sorties its aircraft very infrequently and keeps them low to the ground, there simply isn’t an engagement window.
The same applies to Russian aircraft flying against still existent Ukrainian S300, German Gepards and American Stingers.
The difference is scale: Ukraine is clearly not flying hundreds or dozens or even probably more than 10 sorties a day.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2022 15:22 utc | 129

‼️🇩🇪🇺🇦Germany handed over the first Iris-T air defense system to Kiev-Spiegel‼️Let the fun begin….

https://t.me/azmilitary11/24539

Posted by: Down South | Oct 11 2022 15:23 utc | 130

@James C #30
The missile barrage wasn’t a single “fire and forget” salvo.
Even were Russian missiles interdicted, nothing stops follow-on attacks.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2022 15:25 utc | 131

Dmitriy Medvedev-“The fastest way to escalate the conflict in Ukraine to the irreversible consequences of the World War is to supply extended–range MLRS to psychos in Kiev”
The elderly leaders of the Washington regional committee and upstarts from NATO should at least occasionally turn on their softened brains.
And more. The NATO Secretary General’s thesis that Russia’s victory will mean the defeat of the North Atlantic Alliance is a direct confirmation by the bloc of its participation in the war against our country. As they say – not from a big mind, but from a pure heart. The honest Norwegian guy finally admitted it.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/24544

Posted by: Down South | Oct 11 2022 15:25 utc | 132

@Bruised Northerner #59
It isn’t one or the other.
The poor person working 3 jobs, but having a roof over their heads and being hungry but not starving – that might look pretty damn good compared to a comparable person in Africa working just as hard but with a far, far lower standard of living in every sense of the word.
In fact, the standard of living argument is precisely what is used by fuckwads in the West to justify income inequality – “but they’re living in the lap of luxury compared to XXX” where XXX is somewhere far away and poor or some period far back in time.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2022 15:28 utc | 133

@ Scorpion | Oct 11 2022 14:26 utc

Otherwise, more nefarious possibilities must be entertained.

I’ve been entertaining those nefarious possibilities and all of their kith and kin ever since the “lockdown” of late winter 2020 commenced; I’m exhausted.

Posted by: majoab | Oct 11 2022 15:29 utc | 134

@Tom-UK # All.
I see you’re posting your usual onesided. mentality welded within an armoured steel box, comments.
I do try not to admire your tenacity.
To continually make an utter pillock of yourself takes either an incredible amount of self unawareness or blind idiocy.

Posted by: Beibdnn. | Oct 11 2022 15:29 utc | 135

“The West wins the propaganda war hands down.”
Only for the minority that actually pays attention to the “news”.
Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, mundane vacous posts garner more attention that anything truly relevant.
Most people play politics the way they follow a sports team.
Mindlessly.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 11 2022 15:31 utc | 136

The victory of the Russian Federation in the conflict in Ukraine will be a defeat for NATO and this cannot be allowed. NATO sees no signs of Russia’s intention to use nuclear weapons, but remains vigilant.” – Stoltenberg
So the Quisling is beginning to partially admit reality. The reality is that NATO and EU have to go, and people like Stoltenberg should face a judge.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2022 15:35 utc | 137

@123 Paulg
I am not aware of any country that loves the UK, equally the UK isn’t invading another European country. The closest we get to invading Europe is at football matches and the Eurovision Song Contest.
What has the UK’s popularity (or lack of it) to do with the Russian/Ukrainian conflict?

Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 15:40 utc | 138

russia bombing our proxies?
who do they think they are?
they are a state of losers
and must be punished
until they collapse
only one nation is allowed
to perpetrate terror
this is US!
who doesn’t recognize that
we will teach
freedom
from any restriction
to kill and plunder

Posted by: njet | Oct 11 2022 15:40 utc | 139

“I am saying that it is utterly ludicrous to try and assign blame for American policies on Russia to any one party, person or side.”
Taking that a step further, each contingent has various factions that at times both work with the overall group and others against.
There is no hardened structure to anyone’s support.
It boils down to self interest and who can grab an advantage when.
From a distance you see a wall. As you move closer you see the cracks in the wall.
When close enough you see the holes in the wall and the points pressure may be applied for the wall to collapse.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 11 2022 15:40 utc | 140

UK has a long history and you seem oblivious to it so do not be surprised to get beaten up by foreigners with scores to settle for they have not forgotten
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 11 2022 14:32 utc | 102
Where are you from, Paul? Presumably you merit a beating for something you personally have zero responsibility for, but your government has done in the past.

Posted by: evilsooty998 | Oct 11 2022 15:41 utc | 141

“While real psychologists regard the opportunity to communicate with their fellow human beings as a wonderful privilege.”
Emerson, Lake & Palmer – Hallowed Be Thy Name Lyrics
(Lake, Sinfield)
There may be an om in moment
But there’s very few folk in focus
Not the first, not the last, not the least.
You needn’t be well to be wealthy
But you’ve got to be whole to be holy
Fetch the rope, fetch the clock, fetch the priest.
Oh this planet of ours is a mess
I bet Heaven’s the same
Look the madman said, “Son,
As a friend, tell me what’s in a name,”
Hallowed be thy name.
I give you the state of statesmen
And the key to what motivates them
On the left, on the right, on the nail
Still I don’t see a man in a mansion
That an accurate pen won’t puncture
Go to town, go to hell, go to jail.
And there’s bars and saloons
Where the jukebox plays blues in the night
Till the madman says “Son,
Time to go we could both use some light”
And thy will be done.
We live in an age of cages
The tale of an ape escaping
In the search for some truth he can use
But many a drunk got drunker
And mostly a thinker, thunker
Set the place, set the time, set the fuse,
The optimist laughed and the pessimist cried in his wine
And the madman said “Son,
Take a word they’ll all wake given time”
Let thy kingdom come
The madman and I got drunker
Till both thought the other tank you
And we laughed all the way to the stars
The optimist asked for a taste of the pessimist’s wine
And the madman said “Son,
How do you feel?” I said “Me? I feel fine
Lead me into temptation
Into temptation
I said into temptation
I need my allocation of recreation
I want a revelation in degradation
No hesitation, give me variation, give me inspiration…”

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 11 2022 15:47 utc | 142

A word about timing.
What used to be called BDA . . . Bomb Damage Assessment, is now satellite reconnaissance imagery review and based on what is seen, the next targets are selected. This is why the attacks today followed those of yesterday with some hours of delay in between. It takes only minutes to reload launchers. But it takes some hours to collect imagery reflecting recent damage and have it reviewed for selecting the next targets.
The LEO spacecraft do have storage aboard, but not all that much. These are polar orbiting vehicles and the areas over the poles have higher radiation exposure, with memory being notoriously vulnerable to such. So frequent downlinks, and indeed maybe perpetual for the Russian assets, is the order of the day. A spacecraft traversing Ukraine north to south or south to north will have Russian receive stations line-of-sight for downlinks of imagery. Ground based jammers aren’t heard by dishes pointed upwards from within Russia.
Anyway, further evidence that in-orbit assets decide everything.

Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 11 2022 15:49 utc | 143

Juliana @ 124
Yes indeed re. Lex’s point!
One envisions the many face-painted legacy-media factotums, fliting to and fro – complete with their powdered wigs, rouge, and carefully placed faux chin moles – performing induced saccarin-sweet whispers .. on behalf of the ego-infested neocons and their assorted hangers-on, all geared towards a medacious subscriber audience..

Posted by: polecat | Oct 11 2022 15:51 utc | 144

“Ukrainian Air Defense missiles falling down on the cities”
Why is this happening? Is it because of mismanagement or age only, or is it Russian EW causing them to fail?

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2022 15:51 utc | 145

There are basically two groups in the entire Ukraine debate. Those who think the Atlanticist global military/cultural/financial/tech domination as well as the status of willing vassalage by states like Ukraine are positive symptoms of western beneficient supremacy, and those who arent hallucinating.

Posted by: TGL | Oct 11 2022 15:53 utc | 146

Message from G7
The United States “does not exclude anything” on the issue of supplying tactical missiles to Kyiv – White House

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 11 2022 15:55 utc | 147

@Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 14:56 utc | 116

There has to be a point when a country, that is so widely disliked by its near neighbours, might start to reflect the problem may lie with them.

I used to like the UK, but things have changed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2022 15:55 utc | 148

Posted by: rk | Oct 11 2022 14:14 utc | 88

Unfortunately b approves tomuk and shitoda.

The forum needs morons like the body needs viruses. It’s good to build the immune system.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2022 15:58 utc | 149

There is a Saving Grace. Nobody with sense will ‘trust’ the BBC from now on.

Posted by: DilNir | Oct 11 2022 15:58 utc | 150

“There are basically two groups in the entire Ukraine debate. Those who think the Atlanticist global military/cultural/financial/tech domination as well as the status of willing vassalage by states like Ukraine are positive symptoms of western beneficient supremacy, and those who arent hallucinating.”
“The normal profits of a business concern in the United States are six, eight, ten, and sometimes twelve percent. But war-time profits — ah! that is another matter — twenty, sixty, one hundred, three hundred, and even eighteen hundred per cent — the sky is the limit.“
— Smedley D. Butler, book War Is a Racket
War is a racket (1935)

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 11 2022 16:00 utc | 151

“Ukrainian Air Defense missiles falling down on the cities”
Why is this happening? Is it because of mismanagement or age only, or is it Russian EW causing them to fail?
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2022 15:51 utc | 145
.
Now when I think about what Germany delivered…
Stocks of the GDR-NVA partly even moldy rockets … rockets that WIR had stored in mines in 1990, where they should rot …
Take S300 ammunition, calculate how long the Ukraine has had them in their stocks, like Romania / Bulgaria, etc.!
Is 30 years enough?
The durability of the S300 was 12 years in GDR times…..then it was usually shot or blown up during maneuvers, since the stuff was then very sensitive to movement and NOT transported much!
I honestly saw rockets covered with mold, and that was about 32 years ago!
Everything from the Ukraine roughly cleaned!
Romanians / Bulgarians / Poles will have done the same!
From Germany bismuth mine there were about 7000 pieces!

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 11 2022 16:03 utc | 152

@Norwegian #145
It is simple gravity: when you shoot a missile up, it is going to come down.
Furthermore, the fuses tend to arm fairly quickly because the antimissile flight times are very short to start with.
Now add in multi-story buildings and predictive-track based targeting – it should not be the least bit surprising that such missiles can hit buildings en route (fighter pilots call it scraping off) or fall after running out of fuel but with fuses still active = conversion to gravity bombs.
The 5V55R, for example – one of the S300 missiles used – is a 1480 kg launch weight, 70 kg warhead, mach 5 device.
If such a missile hits a building while under active flight, the fuel payload becomes part of the damage, too.
Even with fuel exhausted – the roughly ton weight falling from the sky is dangerous in and of itself.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2022 16:03 utc | 153

Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 15:40 utc | 138 “…UK isn’t invading another European country…”
UK is the ONLY European country maintaining a colony on robbed European soil: El Llanito.

“…Spain wishes this territory to be returned to it and fully supports the United Nations in this regard. The UN defines Gibraltar as a “non-autonomous territory that must be subjected to a process of decolonisation… negotiations that the UN has been consistently recommending since 1965…”

Source: Spanish Gov

Posted by: OttoE | Oct 11 2022 16:03 utc | 154

We can laugh at Biden, Nuland and company, but they are clearly not afraid of Russia at all and are ready and even eager to escalate.
They will provide Ukraine with long range MLRS.
Later with airplanes and nukes.
No other way of thinking is possible in the collective west but the permanent escalation.
We know it is so, but why is it so?
Why has the west become so irrational?
When has that happened?

Posted by: marko | Oct 11 2022 16:07 utc | 155

@Mo3
The long range are thought to be 150km ground at least.

Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 11 2022 16:08 utc | 156

@52 Lex:
Great post: succinct, accurate.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 11 2022 16:08 utc | 157

Will Biden meet Putin at G20? Putin is reportedly open to it. Zelensky also in attendance. Ukraine isn’t part of G20, but is there pitching money-laundering schemes for G20 elites.
We can all hear chatter now we couldn’t before about negotiation/diplomacy. Billionaires faced with the prospect of diminishing profits from a cold nuclear winter, want to make it all go away.
Here’s hoping. (OMG, james, I think I may have a Hopium problem. Cheers!)

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 11 2022 16:08 utc | 158

@128 Giyane;
Cluster B is of course simply a modern label for sociopathic mentalities that have existed under different labels in the past. We are after all speaking of the human condition(s) which have not changed much since 40,000 BC. I like “Cluster B” as it is more specific and predictive than something like “evil”, “demonic”, or “crazy”.
A common characteristic of Narcissists is their instinctual desire to associate with one another in order to exploit the “neurotypical” masses. They then instinctively sort themselves into a dog-fuck-dog hierarchy.
Thus, they are highly sensitive to status and abstract representations of power such as money/capital.
Therefore, they “kiss up and kick down” in a brazen, even reckless, manner. They know that others of their kind don’t take it personally.
The UK Conservative party is a pure example of this. “We have conspired to kill the King, long live our new King!
Insofar as they have a mental understanding of the world, it is “We, the strongest, do what we want, and they, the weak morons, suffer what they must.”
They believe that everyone is like them, thus the appeal of Randian pseudo-philosophy and neoliberalism. Like superhero movies – childish fantasies for children.
They don’t see that the under feudalism->capitalism->technofeudalism, the poor remain poor because they refuse to exploit their family, friends, and neighbours. For a Narcissist, this is totally incomprehensible.

Posted by: moaobserver | Oct 11 2022 16:09 utc | 159

I just finished watching a John Mearsheimer lecture. He says quite convincingly that all of the problems started with the neocons under Bush. Then he says that zero and Trump and Biden have doubled down on Bush’s policies.
I’m not so sure I blame Trump. Government apparatchiks were in open rebellion against him. But I am sure of one thing, Bush will go down as one of our worst Presidents. And I voted for him both times.
Posted by: TempoNick | Oct 11 2022 10:18 utc | 5
John Mearsheimer is correct and that is because the entire national security state are now neo-cons, and it is a pox on both parties, because regardless of party, the US Congress and the department heads of all the National Security Departments, and the Military, are died in the wool neo-cons.
I wouldn’t be so quick to give Trump a pass. Trump had a long relationship with Russia before he became President, but the relationship was based on business, not Geopolitical in any sense. This caused him problems a plenty from the neo-cons from both parties. Trumps response was to throw them some red meat with China, which proves that Trump has a little neo-con in him as well. He just happened to like Putin and was friends with several Russian Oligarchs.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 11 2022 16:16 utc | 160

Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 11 2022 16:08 utc | 156
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Right :
But not when using ground-to-ground!
Since the launch angle must then be flat!
And, it depends on what you shit, what type!
5V55R, for example, the Widowmaker was not suitable for this and was known for the fact that this caliber We said “finds its way or not” there was an order not to use this type during maneuver shooting because there were too many dangerous duds and nobody knew beforehand which Wg the projectile then really takes. When we used this type, we had to reduce the propellant charge to about 25% of the launch!

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 11 2022 16:18 utc | 161

UK: if ever you have the bad luck of a boat full of Britons arriving on your shores, kill it, kill it immediately and with extreme prejudice.
Otherwise take your elders and your infants and run faraway for the mountains, for those Blue Eyed Demons will kill you and your parents, rape your wife and enslave your kids.

Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Oct 11 2022 16:20 utc | 162

There has to be a point when a country, that is so widely disliked by its near neighbours, might start to reflect the problem may lie with them.
Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 14:56 utc | 116
You are really pitifully educated if at all !!!!!!!
Who cares about the Irish ????? A domestic issue.
There are lots of countries across the globe who have reason to want to string YOU from a tree because of WHO you are. Ireland is a back garden issue.
Ukraine is NOT a country – it was a breakout by the German Army at Brest-Litovsk and supplied grain to the German Reich. Lenin thought he could keep the peasants pliant by infusing industrial workers of Donbass to create “workers and peasants” – ie Hammer & Sickle
You think Lenin was so cool ????
If you think Truss should shell Bradford until Pajistanis and Bagladeshis leave for the Subcontinent…..or maybe shell Leeds to drive Jews out of Adel – only 7000 of them……..
Do you favour Poroschenko Tactics of artillery barrages on civilians………?
Maybe Russia should used Depleted Uranium like the British do – in Iraq, Serbia ………
White Phosphorous as US did to civilians in Falludjah ?
You are so dopey and are just sitting there until Truss buries you………she has already put £1 Trillion in UK Pension Funds on the skids – next she will get you hiroshimaed………..wonder what people thought that morning in H before it happened…. ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 11 2022 16:22 utc | 163

Very sensible proposal by Rhisiart Gwilym @85:

b, as I’ve said before, I do wish you’d arrange to put the posters’ names AT THE TOP of their posts, so then it would be easy to pass over the posts of self-identified fools/trolls such as tomuk without wasting any time on them.

Posted by: lulu | Oct 11 2022 16:25 utc | 164

thanks b… the west will never own up to its murderous ways…
@ lurk and paul greenwood…. you two made some great posts earlier in this thread, but responding to tom uk is a fucking waste of time.. you are both smarter then that… don’t do that shit… you want to have a conversation with bellingcrap central or integrity initiative? forget it… they are paid to spread uk bullshit 24-7……this guy is not bright enough to be on the payroll…

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2022 16:26 utc | 165

@ lulu | Oct 11 2022 16:25 utc | 164
yes, Rhisiart Gwilyms proposal is a good one, but i am certain b has seen it numerous times in the past and it appears that is not an option of typepad which is the format that b is using here… one can train themselves to see the poster before they read the posts… i recommend it… cheers..

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2022 16:27 utc | 166

Ukraine obviously DO still have air defences, presumably missiles/manpads, or why haven’t Russia taken out every rail connection on or just on the Ukrainian side of the Polish/Slovak/Hungarian/Romanian borders?
For months I watched the arrivals by air at Rzeszow and by sea at Burgas, and wondered why the arms weren’t destroyed half a mile after they crossed the border. Hard to fight if your weapons never get anywhere near the front.
They struck with missiles the rail tunnel going under the Carpathians from Chop, but that was five months ago or more.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 11 2022 16:29 utc | 167

“…It was Clinton who first broke the President Daddy Bush/James Baker promises of “not one inch Eastward”.
It was Clinton era diplomats and programs, with Clinton presiding, that were enacted during almost all of the Russian “Lost Decade”…”
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 11 2022 15:20 utc | 127
Apologies for extracting from your important post this nugget, c1ue, but it needs further elaboration. Not only was what you describe here being accomplished during Clinton’s second term, but also a double ‘Lost Decade’ for the citizens of the US itself was about to begin and is still underway. How was this accomplished? Well, in my own experience, the year of the election I was achieving citizenship – along with 999 others from south of the border and one Belorussian sitting beside me. That’s just one city’s quota. And sadly, I confess, I voted for Clinton.
Next time around I was so angry that third parties were being shut out that I voted for Ralph Nader. Was fooled by Obama till a few days after his inauguration; back on track with Jill Stein, and now…hey, Tulsi? Way to go!
Somehow we have to break this logjam.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 11 2022 16:30 utc | 168

Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 15:10 utc | 119
Do you not have concern for civilian lives?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2022 16:34 utc | 169

What has the UK’s popularity (or lack of it) to do with the Russian/Ukrainian conflict?
Tom UK @ 138
The UK is the reason why this SMO happened and still going on. The UK is the country that brought lot of death and destruction to many countries and people in Asia and Africa. There are enough people in the world who would clap/dance when something goes wrong with UK. You’ve got the best cancer today in the name of Liz Truss. One day, India will take its revenge on you. It has practically taken over your industries.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 11 2022 16:35 utc | 170

@98 Lapin: Tulsi Gabbard quits Democratic Party. Thanks for the heads-up.
Check out this video.
I sent her a contribution. It’s a rare thing for me to give $ to politicians, but when they stick up for what I want, well, ya gotta send a message. So I did. Maybe her success in raising money to run for office will encourage other politicians that don’t have her guts.
It’s a start, and a good one.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 11 2022 16:37 utc | 171

I hope I’m not alone in thinking that the dialog in the comments is repetitive, banal, and tedious. The insight to post ratio is about 1:1000.
I have no access to special information, but we can read the tea leaves in the brew which is the popular press and try to gain a big picture, which suggests that Ukraine itself is not an end game for international relations, because territory is now abstract, unless you are directly mining it or transiting.
OPEC’s Body Blow to Biden
October 11, 2022, M.K. Bhadrakumar

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/10/11/opecs-body-blow-to-biden/
//The magnitude of what is unfolding is simply staggering. Biden realizes belatedly that territorial conquests in Ukraine is not the real story but embedded in it is the economic war and within that is the energy war that has been incubating through the past eight-month period following the Western sanctions on Russia.
The paradox is, even if Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky wins the war, Biden would still have lost unless he wins the energy war and goes on to win the economic war as well.
Russian President Vladimir Putin visualized such an outcome as far back as in 2016 when on the sidelines of the G20 Hangzhou summit, the tantalizing idea of OPEC+ crystallized between him and then Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
The debris that surrounds Biden today is a large messy pile. He didn’t realize that the lackadaisical way the Russian offensive in Ukraine rolled on was because Putin was concentrating on the economic war and the energy war…//

Posted by: Aarnon | Oct 11 2022 16:37 utc | 172

I saw mention yesterday that the power outages in Ukraine would affect the water supply. One doesn’t really think of stuff like that usually. Take a city like London (and others, I guess) where I read once that water went through something like 10 stomachs between falling from the sky and reaching the sea and a power outage could have massive health effect. Far worse than covid. And they are banning aluminium imports from Russia as well, it’s, I believe, used in the purification process. Maybe when brown stuff comes out of the taps it might give people pause for thought about the value of the whole sanctions effort? Instead of watching adverts with black babies drinking crap we can watch our own babies drinking it.

Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 11 2022 16:40 utc | 173

to the regular posters… please stop responding to the trolls… they are obvious.. you’re not helping, esponding to them.. they are full of shite… why bother?

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2022 16:42 utc | 174

It appears to me that the trend suggests the it is US/NATO intention to directly engage in conflict with Russia. They pretend that is not the case because is alarming and keeps Russia avoiding direct conflict with US. Expect to engage shortly after midterms.

Posted by: jared | Oct 11 2022 16:43 utc | 175

Quote
“In brief though, “audacious” plans for destroying #KerchBridge drawn up at request of infamous British military spook Chris Donnelly, at precisely the time London was sabotaging peace talks between Russia and Ukraine this April.”
That is why I have been saying since 2008 that Russia should prepare her economy on war footing for war against England which is the real enemy of Russia and of world.
Here it is written in 2008
“4th June, 2007.
-President Putin is very wrong when he says ( in Munich security conference 2007) that Russia should or will target the missile on Europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Poland in Europe.
In fact it was NOT America BUT england which asked for ABM against Russia. BBC spy journalists in 2000 were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.” In other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england !
such is the evil propaganda of british spies inside america. .
Poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards.
It is no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english nation which must be sorted out by the world.
Russia must target (rather than should) the nuclear missiles with multiple war heads against all ( including military instalations) of england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how Germany was vilified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
Poland has been the perennial trojan horse, and her ambitions “from sea to sea” very much encouraged by the Brits who left the EU but made sure to have the Poles in to weaken the Union, the old-new Europe game of the known unknown sinister clown Rumsfeld.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-world-order-the-founding-fathers/5445255
face 0f the evil.
When someone asked Bismark once what he would do if the British invaded, he said he’d have the border police arrest them (or words to that effect).-thaqt is how low the germans thought of the English army capability –and the Germans were right as was shown the cowardice of non fighting coward English trrops in both world wars-they instigated others to fight but remained behind in actual fighting till late.
Remember Bismarck said that when the pirate empire called british empire was at height of her pseudo power-in other words Prussians could defeat the English race at the height of their so called power. and that was at height of pirate empire of the british at Victoria’s time.And rightly so. english then and now are ready to fight only unarmed civilians.
Prussia was the strongest army in the world at that time. It tells you how low English race is compared to the Germans and how much Germans could have gone up had they been not made to fight Russian in plot created by the English race-that plot is called world war 1 and WW2.

Posted by: Sam | Oct 11 2022 16:45 utc | 176

Interruption of escalation sequence generally requires one side recognize defeat or likely defeat.

Posted by: jared | Oct 11 2022 16:45 utc | 177

@ Guy L’Estrange | Oct 11 2022 16:40 utc | 173
see john helmers article from 3 days ago for a broader perspective on how this is going to affect ukraine, or what is left of it.. its a long article, but the later half is especially good… he wrote this before these events unfolded…
RUSSIAN ARMY FIRES OLD SPARKY — US LOSES THE ELECTRIC WAR IN THE UKRAINE
ot – indian punchline from today – A perfect storm in US foreign policy

Posted by: james | Oct 11 2022 16:46 utc | 178

Let’s not respond to anyone who has a different opinion then we do, spoiling our perfect but boring world.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2022 16:47 utc | 179

@tomuk English scu_ag
“Finally, Russia started all this on 24 Feb, and Europe has taken heed. Russia will be isolated for several generations as a consequence.
Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 11 2022 14:20 utc | 93”
Do not worry. England will be annihilated and there will be no generation left of english pirate race.
kill the head, the tentacles of the beast will die
and we know the head. it is england the main plotter of all the wars.
this could be russia’s defining moment for mankind. it has the upper hand in first strike with its effective weapons and the earliest possible opportunity to do it will in the end, the good prevailing over evil.
So the First thing ( in fact the only thing) Russia must do is to kill as many English soldiers (and not only their hired mercenaries ), English spies masquerading as British and BBC journalists and mercenaries as possible as in shortest time. That will settle the problem of the WORLD being destabilized by the England pirate island and there will be no more plotting for wars by English pirates. But Russia does opposite! It let English mercenaries escape safely from donesk (Debeltsov enckave) in Feb 2015!

Posted by: Sam | Oct 11 2022 16:50 utc | 180

Posted by: John Dowser | Oct 11 2022 15:15 utc | 126
Innuendo notwithstanding, how do you account for the Ukros having postage stamps already designed and printed? Also the US and others heavily insinuating it was the Ukros , only to walk it back?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 11 2022 16:50 utc | 181

Norwegian 148
I used to like the UK, but things have changed.
OK, what changed?

Posted by: Hereward | Oct 11 2022 16:50 utc | 182

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/34162

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on the prospects for Sweden and Finland to join NATO:
“Finland and Sweden have not fulfilled the obligations we agreed on. We need allies in substance, not in name; countries that support terrorism cannot be allies in substance. We already have enough so-called allies in NATO.”

Looks like Finland and Sweden will not make it into NATO if you ask me.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2022 16:53 utc | 183

If you would stop replying to “Tom UK” he would go away. Instead half the comments are directed to him. “Tom” is going to constantly move the goal posts, there is no point speaking with him.
Just STOP IT.

Posted by: Anon8888 | Oct 11 2022 16:55 utc | 184

Down South (129).
Other nations involved in the missiles production might also send them to Ukraine. I wonder how effective the system is.
“In 1995, Germany announced the IRIS-T development program, in collaboration with Greece, Italy, Norway, Sweden and Canada. Canada later dropped out, while in 2003 Spain joined as a partner for procurement”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 11 2022 16:55 utc | 185

“Let’s not respond to anyone who has a different opinion then we do, spoiling our perfect but boring world.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2022 16:47 utc”
One of the finer bits of observation people have forgotten.
“”Working Class Hero”
As soon as you’re born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
‘Til the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool
‘Til you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
When they’ve tortured and scared you for 20 odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can’t really function, you’re so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
Keep you doped with religion, and sex, and T.V.
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free
But you’re still fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
There’s room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
If you want to be a hero well just follow me
If you want to be a hero well just follow m”

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 11 2022 16:56 utc | 186

I find it’s truly impressive how small the civilian casualty count is resulting from the Russian missile barrages yesterday, given the size and power of the barrages.
I take as a reference point the casualty counts that normally result from an ‘israeli’ strike on the Gaza strip.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2022 16:56 utc | 187

If a man says he wants to become a woman, it’s an administrative procedure.
If a man says he supports Putin, it’s a scandal.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 11 2022 16:57 utc | 188

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2022 16:47 utc | 179

Let’s not respond to anyone who has a different opinion then we do

Ah. So you’re the handler then. Noted.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2022 16:58 utc | 189

@Hereward | Oct 11 2022 16:50 utc | 182

OK, what changed?

Quite a few things. Julian Assange being locked up for being a journalist is one thing. Boris Johnson travelling to Kiev and trashing a possible peace agreement in March is another. The list is not complete…

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2022 17:00 utc | 190

Back on August first I wrote and published a short article about energy and its finally entering the discussion about the motivation/causation for our Hybrid Third World War and concluded with this paragraph:
“If the Global South is going to develop so it can raise its populace from poverty, a high proportion of what remains of proven hydrocarbon reserves will be used for that project, while the West wants as much as possible for itself alone. Currently, the ultimate commodity and collateral are hydrocarbons. Other energy systems will eventually replace them, but not for several more decades as that capacity/capability will take time to build up. And thus NATO’s very large, unspoken problem–its geoeconomic dependency on the rest of the world, flipping the relationship that’s existed for the last 500+ years.”
That would be all of NATO, not just its European members. Now energy output and distribution networks have become strategic targets for both sides and IMO we’ve only seen the opening shots in this aspect of the war. This RT item will provide barflies with the sentiment within the Imperial Congress, “Calls for US to punish Saudi Arabia grow”:

US Senator Richard Blumenthal and Representative Ro Khanna have accused Saudi Arabia of “colluding” with Russia by cutting OPEC oil production quotas, supposedly to boost Moscow’s energy revenue. The two high-profile Democrats called for weapons sales to be stopped, in order to punish Riyadh.
“America shouldn’t be providing such unlimited control of strategic defense systems to an apparent ally of our greatest enemy – nuclear bomb extortionist [Russian President] Vladimir Putin,” Blumenthal, Khanna and Yale business professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld wrote on Sunday in a Politico op-ed. They added that they will propose Senate and House legislation on Tuesday to immediately halt US arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
On Monday, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez also called on the US government to freeze all aspects of its cooperation with Saudi Arabia. “There simply is no room to play both sides of this conflict,” he said, adding that he “will not green light any cooperation with Riyadh until the Kingdom reassesses its position with respect to the war in Ukraine.”

Do note how deeply they believe their own propaganda and how much control they think they can exert by withholding arms sales–very common deluded group think by those inhabiting Depravity Central. I welcome the Empire cutting its coercion of the Saudis, something the Saudis have anticipated.
Those that follow my commentary will have noted my linking to proven hydrocarbon reserves twice over the past month to show the Outlaw US Empire’s dire condition when it comes to what remains within its geographical boundaries. I also commented on the fact that Canada’s bitumin deposits won’t be any sort of savior since there’s not enough gas or water to mine much of those deposits, gas being the main constraint. Thus the Neocon targeting of Iraq and Venezuela and current theft of Syrian oil. Perhaps the biggest failure of Outlaw US Empire Imperialism was gaining absolute control of all Persian Gulf hydrocarbon resources, not just their “management.”
The idea to make the EU dependent on North American hydrocarbon resources while logical won’t be practical for very long because of the overall lack of resources–there isn’t enough for Canada, the Empire and EU at any price: You can’t sell what you don’t have. Hopes were placed on the ability to exploit Ukrainian gas via fracking to sell to non-Ukrainians, but that failed. I expect conflicts to erupt soon over gas deposits around Cyprus and offshore Lebanon and Gaza, while the massive Pars field gets jointly developed by Iran, Qatar, Russia, and China, with most of its gas going East to Asia and West to Africa.
And then there’s the African Theatre which so far has remained off most barflies’s radar where both Russia and China are very trusted partners, while the West is increasingly loathed. Africa needs Africa’s resources for its own development, and a massive network of pipelines, railways, and motorways are currently under construction mostly via BRI.
So, the Ukrainian Nazis will suffer the fate some of us knew would likely befall them–total loss of Ukraine–once they resorted to and became the newest iteration of the Outlaw US Empire’s Terrorist Foreign Legion. Yes, that will present problems for Russia’s security and governance of the restored regions. I still anticipate Belarus’s involvement. What becomes of the Baltics and Poland when the energy runs out looks grim–a reversion to being primarily agrarian. And what of the remainder of the EU, those not friendly and or connected to Turkstream? As Hudson, Diesen, myself, and others have noted, EU energy dependence is Structural. There are ways to avoid the fate that’s now staring at them; but to avoid it, individual nations will need to abandon the EU/NATO and restore relations with Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 17:03 utc | 191

OttoE 154

UK is the ONLY European country maintaining a colony on robbed European soil: El Llanito.
“…Spain wishes this territory to be returned to it and fully supports the United Nations in this regard.

Good grief.
The Treaty of Utrecht ceded Gibraltar to Britain in 1713, if Spain gets their way most of the boundaries in Europe will be up for grabs.

Posted by: Hereward | Oct 11 2022 17:05 utc | 192

@Don Bacon #179
Once it becomes clear that someone with a different point of view is also not interested in other points of view, or maybe even in learning anything new in general, engaging them further does not contribute to the discussion.

Posted by: Cynica | Oct 11 2022 17:05 utc | 193

Norwegian 148
I used to like the UK, but things have changed.
OK, what changed?
Posted by: Hereward
A female Doctor Who that damn near ruined the show forever.
Oh, and Andrew being disowned for his sexual escapades.
And was the Line of Duty final season really that fulfilling?
They haven’t screwed up Ghosts.
I gather there is a Luther film in the works.
Charles Stross in his most recent Laundry Files books has some lovely observations about properties in London being purchased and allowed to become run down but still maintain value as an investment but driving working folk further afield.
Then again I suppose the same can be said of Vancouver and San Francisco.
““It has always seemed strange to me…The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second.”
~ Cannery Row”

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 11 2022 17:05 utc | 194

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 11 2022 16:35 utc | 170
Quote:
“The UK is the reason why this SMO happened and still going on. The UK is the country that brought lot of death and destruction to many countries and people in Asia and Africa.”
* * *
Well said, paulg.
Apparently, Tom UK is completely unaware of the complicity of the UK government in the current situation Ukraine is faced with. That situation is the eminent and complete destruction of what it remains, as a country, after this is all over.
Ukraine is about to be truncated, like one of the U.S.’s famous “Thanksgiving” turkeys. A bit to Poland, a bit to Belarus, a bit to the Russian Federation and a bit poured into the wake of what remains of the ship of state, before it sinks, with Zelenskyy at the bow.
For its spectacular part in destruction, of what used to the European Union, Britain will have earned the undying hatred of numerous European nations and will presumably suffer wide destruction and the permanent isolation of what remains of its pathetic island “kingdom”.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Oct 11 2022 17:06 utc | 195

Yet again, RT links block posting of comments. Link now removed:
Back on August first I wrote and published a short article about energy and its finally entering the discussion about the motivation/causation for our Hybrid Third World War and concluded with this paragraph:
“If the Global South is going to develop so it can raise its populace from poverty, a high proportion of what remains of proven hydrocarbon reserves will be used for that project, while the West wants as much as possible for itself alone. Currently, the ultimate commodity and collateral are hydrocarbons. Other energy systems will eventually replace them, but not for several more decades as that capacity/capability will take time to build up. And thus NATO’s very large, unspoken problem–its geoeconomic dependency on the rest of the world, flipping the relationship that’s existed for the last 500+ years.”
That would be all of NATO, not just its European members. Now energy output and distribution networks have become strategic targets for both sides and IMO we’ve only seen the opening shots in this aspect of the war. This RT item will provide barflies with the sentiment within the Imperial Congress, “Calls for US to punish Saudi Arabia grow”:

US Senator Richard Blumenthal and Representative Ro Khanna have accused Saudi Arabia of “colluding” with Russia by cutting OPEC oil production quotas, supposedly to boost Moscow’s energy revenue. The two high-profile Democrats called for weapons sales to be stopped, in order to punish Riyadh.
“America shouldn’t be providing such unlimited control of strategic defense systems to an apparent ally of our greatest enemy – nuclear bomb extortionist [Russian President] Vladimir Putin,” Blumenthal, Khanna and Yale business professor Jeffrey Sonnenfeld wrote on Sunday in a Politico op-ed. They added that they will propose Senate and House legislation on Tuesday to immediately halt US arms sales to Saudi Arabia.
On Monday, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez also called on the US government to freeze all aspects of its cooperation with Saudi Arabia. “There simply is no room to play both sides of this conflict,” he said, adding that he “will not green light any cooperation with Riyadh until the Kingdom reassesses its position with respect to the war in Ukraine.”

Do note how deeply they believe their own propaganda and how much control they think they can exert by withholding arms sales–very common deluded group think by those inhabiting Depravity Central. I welcome the Empire cutting its coercion of the Saudis, something the Saudis have anticipated.
Those that follow my commentary will have noted my linking to proven hydrocarbon reserves twice over the past month to show the Outlaw US Empire’s dire condition when it comes to what remains within its geographical boundaries. I also commented on the fact that Canada’s bitumin deposits won’t be any sort of savior since there’s not enough gas or water to mine much of those deposits, gas being the main constraint. Thus the Neocon targeting of Iraq and Venezuela and current theft of Syrian oil. Perhaps the biggest failure of Outlaw US Empire Imperialism was gaining absolute control of all Persian Gulf hydrocarbon resources, not just their “management.”
The idea to make the EU dependent on North American hydrocarbon resources while logical won’t be practical for very long because of the overall lack of resources–there isn’t enough for Canada, the Empire and EU at any price: You can’t sell what you don’t have. Hopes were placed on the ability to exploit Ukrainian gas via fracking to sell to non-Ukrainians, but that failed. I expect conflicts to erupt soon over gas deposits around Cyprus and offshore Lebanon and Gaza, while the massive Pars field gets jointly developed by Iran, Qatar, Russia, and China, with most of its gas going East to Asia and West to Africa.
And then there’s the African Theatre which so far has remained off most barflies’s radar where both Russia and China are very trusted partners, while the West is increasingly loathed. Africa needs Africa’s resources for its own development, and a massive network of pipelines, railways, and motorways are currently under construction mostly via BRI.
So, the Ukrainian Nazis will suffer the fate some of us knew would likely befall them–total loss of Ukraine–once they resorted to and became the newest iteration of the Outlaw US Empire’s Terrorist Foreign Legion. Yes, that will present problems for Russia’s security and governance of the restored regions. I still anticipate Belarus’s involvement. What becomes of the Baltics and Poland when the energy runs out looks grim–a reversion to being primarily agrarian. And what of the remainder of the EU, those not friendly and or connected to Turkstream? As Hudson, Diesen, myself, and others have noted, EU energy dependence is Structural. There are ways to avoid the fate that’s now staring at them; but to avoid it, individual nations will need to abandon the EU/NATO and restore relations with Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2022 17:07 utc | 196

jared @177: “Interruption of escalation sequence generally requires one side recognize defeat or likely defeat.”
Which in the case of the US would require some hardcore “Shock&Awe™” to punch through the delusion of exceptionality.
There are no rational actors in the halls of power in the US empire. To give the reader an idea of the scope of that problem the most “down to Earth” of the oligarchs and their lieutenants would be “space boy” Elon Musk, and I am not even joking. Regardless of the reader’s opinion of Musk, everyone else anywhere near the empire’s tiller is worse, and in most cases far worse.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 11 2022 17:08 utc | 197

@Gully Foyle #151
Somewhat off-topic, but this commenter is reminded of Smedley Butler’s encounter with the “Business Plot”. Interestingly, Butler had started a speaking tour with the theme of “War Is a Racket” after he left the US Marine Corps in October 1931, while his encounter with the “Business Plot” occurred at the beginning of July 1933. Given that timing, and the fact that no one was ever prosecuted for the “Business Plot”, this commenter can’t help but wonder if the real purpose of the “Business Plot” was actually to entrap Butler and as many like-minded compatriots as possible.

Posted by: Cynica | Oct 11 2022 17:12 utc | 198

Posted by: Hereward | Oct 11 2022 16:50 utc | 182
What changed? What changed huh? Well how about all you Brit actors coming over here, taking jobs away from American actors because you do better American accents than we do. Huh? How about that? And THEN, switching back to your British accents to seduce our California girls. Huh? Huh? You duplicitous twats!
🙂

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 11 2022 17:12 utc | 199

Everyone likes the UK so much that when the queen died, black, native, Indian and Irish Twitter spent days absolutely destroying her, the monarchy and the UK. A real outpouring of grief that was. (It was beautiful)

Posted by: Lex | Oct 11 2022 17:17 utc | 200