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October 27, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-185

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

Please stick to the topic.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Comments

Posted by: Cousin Jack | Oct 28 2022 5:35 utc | 144
I’m afraid I have little comfort to offer, other than commiseration. I’m grateful for b’s blog and the caliber of many of the posters here. I little to add, besides the anecdotal to the discussion, but I am grateful to learn that the monstrous incongruities and utter delusion my various neighbors experience is perceived and called out here. You and I are not alone.
The U.S., especially, that everyone carries about in their heads does not exist, if it ever did. I have become, without meaning to, an anarchist, and so, ideologically homeless.
A nuclear exchange starts to look like the logical, yet insane, expression of simple biological imperatives carried to their culmination. We have modeled our behavior on the processes of a simple bacteria in a sealed container, with similar results.
Again, I thank you all for letting me tag along.

Posted by: Andaréapié | Oct 28 2022 13:21 utc | 201

Featherless | Oct 28 2022 12:41 utc | 196
Commercial society won’t suddenly become worth living under just because Puritans have closed the market to people they don’t like. Calvinists need to shut up and grow up.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 28 2022 13:30 utc | 202

Featherless @196
I don’t think you can cure an antisemite by making them watch Holo-schlock like Schindler’s list. Besides, why single out Jews and not treat all religions, races, and nationalities with some respect?

Posted by: aquileia | Oct 28 2022 13:34 utc | 203

Ukraine news service Strana today:
“Due to massive power outages, the authorities are asking Ukrainians to wear reflective elements in the dark.”

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 28 2022 13:41 utc | 204

Posted by: Featherless | Oct 28 2022 13:40 utc | 208
I am unconcerned to say the least, sort of like the 84 year old woman the Germans jailed for that offense

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 28 2022 13:43 utc | 205

Looks like I fed a troll.

Posted by: aquileia | Oct 28 2022 13:45 utc | 206

SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 11:05 utc | 190
Pretty sure almost all of the civilians are long gone.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 28 2022 13:48 utc | 207

Antisemitism is the #1 problem facing Humanity. Even before Climate Change.
Posted by: Featherless | Oct 28 2022 13:40 utc | 208
Wow! Nonsense. My family is Jewish. I don’t think any of them experienced any discrimination!
On the other hand Corbin has been destroyed by false accusations.

Posted by: RB | Oct 28 2022 13:55 utc | 208

Antisemitism is the #1 problem facing Humanity. Even before Climate Change.
Posted by: Featherless | Oct 28 2022 13:40 utc | 208
Thanks for that, at least we know where you are coming from…..

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 28 2022 13:59 utc | 209

@Featherless | Oct 28 2022 13:40 utc | 208

Antisemitism is the #1 problem facing Humanity. Even before Climate Change.

The first is off topic and the second is a non-issue.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2022 14:00 utc | 210

@Elmagnostic | Oct 28 2022 13:41 utc | 209

“Due to massive power outages, the authorities are asking Ukrainians to wear reflective elements in the dark.”

Reflective elements don’t work in the absence of light.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2022 14:02 utc | 211

@ Featherless and Antisemitism
Consistently calling someone something they are not, in particular related the propagandized exaggerations following the end of WW2, is offensive. It is something that b calls out constantly in the current geopolitical conflicts. Should that not also be allowed for the past?
The fact that this is systemically carried out by the same caste within the same ethno-cultural group in our generation is something that, which seen and recognized for what it is, cannot be unseen.
They may now be labelled Zionists, Neo-cons, Straussians or Khazarians. But one thing they are not is Semites.
It is worth noting too, that some of the well known trolls here are using a well known tactics to discredit and redirect respectable debate. Don’t get sucked in.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 28 2022 14:03 utc | 212

@SwissArmyMan – censorship doesn’t accomplish what you think it does. In fact it draws more attention to that very topic, ie. Why do they want that person / topic banned? That’s what peaked my interest, causing me to discover notable voices such as Miko Peled, Normal Finkelstein, David Cole, etc. Same thing happened with Trump & HCQ. I am no fan of his, but actors are known to slip out of character from time to time & inadvertently reveal truths – but you have to be paying attention. So i researched HCQ & acquired some & it has served me well on numerous occasions
As the saying goes “The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant” As a result more data & knowledge is a good thing. I equate censorship with tyranny

Posted by: ianMoone | Oct 28 2022 14:06 utc | 213

Posted by: ianMoone | Oct 28 2022 14:06 utc | 218
You seem to think I am advocating censorship?

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 28 2022 14:15 utc | 214

@Greg 187
The killers were Ukrainian secret service, possibly aided by “the West”. Of course there will be some traitors in Russia (whether there are, statistically, more or less compared to the Middle East I wouldn’t know, but according to stereotypes one would expect more deviousness in the Mediterranean…). I think that battle is continuing and in the end, isn’t it one of the reasons for the Russian operation? Isn’t it vengeance for Motorola etc? Russian blood is spilled, we cannot underestimate that kind of payback.

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 28 2022 14:34 utc | 215

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 27 2022 21:15 utc | 69
Thanks alot, karlof1, your contributions are first class, informative, objective and timely, you are a star of this blog.

Posted by: Baron | Oct 28 2022 14:39 utc | 216

Posted by: Featherless | Oct 28 2022 13:40 utc | 208

Antisemitism is the #1 problem facing Humanity. Even before Climate Change.

I agree. The West needs to be punished for it’s persecution of semites in Palestine, specifically Gaza and the West Bank. Syria. Then Lebanon and Iraq.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 28 2022 14:59 utc | 217

Cousin Jack @ 147
Yes, everyone is going crazy. There are lots of indices for that and they are all on tilt.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2022 15:25 utc | 218

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 28 2022 12:07 utc | 195
Of course I blame those responsible. The Maidanists and their Nato handlers. They are to blame for everything. Greedy, malicious, weak and fed to the gills with enablement by Natoist handlers; telling then they are ubermensch and better than everyone else. Feeding them my taxdollars for them to swan around thinking life is easy when the Weat is paying for everything.
Tell me, Zanon, why is the preeminent and richest part of the former- USSR now the poorest country in Europe ,after thirty years of “Nato capitalism and democracy”? Why has nothing new actually been built there? Nothing new since Soviet times? You need to sell your sobstory elsewhere, not to me…I know better.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 28 2022 15:29 utc | 219

Posted by: Cousin Jack | Oct 28 2022 5:35 utc | 147
Sorry all, I’m a regular lurker who rarely posts here, but I have a burning question: is anyone else experiencing mental health issues at this time?
8 out of 10 of my extremely smart hi-tech co-workers have all gone full-retard. I’m realizing there are very few people who understand and can handle logic. Logic dictates logic. Illogical things happen when not constrained by logic.

Posted by: Nathan in WA US | Oct 28 2022 15:52 utc | 220

@Nathan in WA US | Oct 28 2022 15:52 utc | 226

8 out of 10 of my extremely smart hi-tech co-workers have all gone full-retard. I’m realizing there are very few people who understand and can handle logic. Logic dictates logic. Illogical things happen when not constrained by logic.

I think that is about correct, unfortunately. I think the mental health problems come from Cognitive Dissonance. People subconsciously know society is very sick, but they are unable to admit it to themselves because it requires a radical change of their world view. This internal conflict causes mental strain.
Nothing is more important than truth. Truth comes from facts and reason.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2022 16:32 utc | 221

Concerning the crazy issue. And the cognitive dissonance abroad. Just looked at other news. The Pelosi residence in San Francisco was broken into. We are supposed to believe that a solo lunatic armed with a hammer defeated all security systems. And then proceeded to beat 82 yer old Paul Pelosi with same hammer. Following being beaten with a hammer the old man’s big medical issues are bruising and swelling. None of this makes any sense. But January 6!!!!!!!!!!
Pelosi is expected to make a full recovery. Mostly because this never happened. And the same rubbish bombards us all every day.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2022 17:03 utc | 222

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 28 2022 21:58 utc | 229
The root of the nuclear war that so terrifies you and the root that results in ‘bad words and actions against 15 million people’ are one and the same.
The kind of human being that can stand by and watch slow motion genocide in the Gaza strip is also the kind of human being that can stand by and watch as global nuclear holocaust unfolds.
They are the same kind of gelded sheep.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 28 2022 17:39 utc | 223

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 28 2022 3:47 utc | 134:

…..But the situation with vaccines is a live grenade, an IED, a fog-shrouded battle in progress, an evolving reality that is by no means finished. I and others will speak of it as information arises.

Oh by all means speak out as you guys deem necessary. I have no qualm with those among us who disagreed with b on the vaccine issue since from way back, perhaps as early as 2020 summer when the vaccines were pushed. I myself was actually skeptical of the rush as well as efficacy of pushing the vax but insinuating that people like Bill gates and b are in bed with Big Pharma in promoting the vax was way off mark, and b was correct in wanting a stop to all that. As I noticed subsequently, b actually didn’t censor or ban anyone due to vax or COVID comments. You sir, as I recall, wasn’t one of those who stiff-necked the issue religiously, and was actually very rational and reasonable. Admirably restrained at the same time on all issues discussed, except for repeatedly recommending the use of Ivermectin of which b wasn’t a convert. But I don’t think b ever deleted any comments pitching Ivermectin. That reflects the quality of b’s admirable editorial restraints. And you sir, didn’t chatter/clutter either on Ivermectin, a reflection of your gentlemanly (I assume you’re “he”) mannerism. My choice of examples to make my point in an earlier post turned out to be mistakes–I seemed to have touch nerves of a couple of brilliant posters here whom I admire for both their intellectual acumen and prose style. My examples were picked randomly without much thought and ended up being mistaken as indirectly picking issues with others on different matters.
Anyway, my earlier post was made after seeing strong lobbying for TG re-posts by Down South without dissensions, so I ventured a counter opinion. Since then, I’ve read many rational arguments, for and against the issue, and I believe I should keep my mouth shut and my fingers frozen.
Again, you’re one of my favorite barflies here and I feel compelled to clarify that my post wasn’t in any way implicating that you were chattering on vax issue. This post of mine is way off topic. My apologies.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 28 2022 19:08 utc | 224

Posted by: Featherless | Oct 28 2022 13:40 utc | 208
No antisemite phobies are much worse.They usually come out when you ask uncomfortable questions that are never answered on the subject but instead comes the usual accusation of anti-Semitism.

Posted by: LuBa | Oct 28 2022 19:15 utc | 225

The holocaust. A wave to ride. Here we killed off the Aboriginal people to create living space. Same in US and Canada and NZ. But that particular religion is something special. They have the right to create living space in Palestine. Have to laugh about Zelensky presiding over the genocide of the Ukrainians. The Jewish leader of a nazi nation. It is easy to see why Russia has not topped him. He is happy to feed his country and the west into the black hole of Ukraine. Idiot goys.
But Jews are not the problem. Just a wandering nomadic tribe. The people about me, Anglo’s Europeans, the smug knowledge we are far superior to the other 80% of the world. The darkies, the yellow people, the snow niggers. No understanding, no respect for other cultures. Only fear.
And because of that fear we must maintain dominance over all other cultures, all other civilizations.
I say we are part of the Asia pacific. The countries to our north are our neighbors and trade partners. We should get rid of the English monarch as head of state cut echelon and become a sovereign country be cause this is where our interests lay. They say “you believe we should be ruled by China?” The land of the brain dead. Put a bit of sugary white coating on a turd, place it in a cone, give them a set of Biden aviator shades and they would eagerly gobble it down.
We are going to war with China soon – nobody bothered about it. Of course they are evil and attacking us. They will suffer the fate of fools.
The idiot Ukrainians, original army long since rotting in the fields, now many parts of the frontlines rebadged nato. Those idiots will rot in fields of Ukraine. In one part of the front, a polish unit did not want to be slaughtered so they did not attack. They mowed down the Ukraine punisher unit that tried to enforce the attack order. I have to laugh at these clowns. For those that live to see it, the disintegration of western civilization will be entertaining.
The brainwashed Europeans – what will they do this winter? Pick up a pitchfork or will they pick up a rainbow flag? Idiots are now knocking down windmills to dig coal.
I was recently told Russian conscripts are given a handfull of bullets and sent to the frontlines. And of course the Russian warcrimes. Educated, professional career. Put icing on a dog turd and educated people will eat it. I should have taken a course on decorating cakes when I was young.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 28 2022 19:23 utc | 226

Marie-Antoinette – Let them eat Biden icecream.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 28 2022 19:28 utc | 227

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 28 2022 13:13 utc | 201
It was an honest question, and the way you worded your post was confusing, which they normally are not. No need for the scathing reply, I’m not your enemy or your inferior.

Posted by: K | Oct 28 2022 19:41 utc | 228

A few years back, the propaganda could be considered a smooth form of snake oil. People could be forgiven for being deceived. The idiocy lately though is very much in your face. The sheeple bleat in joy. All humans were born with a brain, but most seem to have discarded it as a useless appendage. This now is like living in a zombie world. The world of the living dead. All I can say is that Russia has taken the right course.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 28 2022 20:19 utc | 229

Posted by: Stella | Oct 28 2022 19:33 utc | 234
I appreciate your posts in German because in high school in the USA I studied German for two years and two more years in college. The height of my studies was reading Thomas Mann’s “Death in Venice” in German. But that was a long time ago. I like studying your posts and am able to figure out some of what you are saying. I remember many nouns but have forgotten most of the verbs I knew. Nevertheless, you may inspire me to buy a German dictionary and maybe one day I will surprise you by responding to you in German.

Posted by: Chas | Oct 28 2022 21:13 utc | 230

Arch Bungle and Featherless:
So some bad words and actions directed at 15.3 million people is the biggest problem that faces a humanhity of 8 BILLION people?
Some might think that a possible imminent nuclear war might be a greater calamity to endanger humanity that antisemitism. Rightly so in my opinion.

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 28 2022 21:58 utc | 231

@ Chas
Sie nehmen mir die Unsicherheit hier zu schreiben.
Durch eine Hirnverletzung brauchte ich sehr lange um mich meiner Sprache wieder zu bemächtigen. Ohne deepl Translator wäre ich gar nicht in der Lage hier zu lesen. Da ich mir der Übersetzung vom deutschen ins englische nicht sicher bin, schreibe ich in deutsch und hoffe auf sprachbegabte, die den Inhalt meiner Worte verstehen können.
Ohne Thomas Mann hätte, der von mir bewunderte Schriftsteller, Oscar-Maria Graf nicht den Mut gehabt sich als Schrifsteller weiter zu entwickeln. Zu lesen in seiner Autobiographie.
Wir sind Gefangene. Ein Bekenntnis aus diesem Jahrzehnt (1927)
Zu meiner Schulzeit waren Kriegsdienstverweigerer und Widerständler nicht angesehen.
Ein beherzter Lehrer stellte uns Oscar-Maria Graf und seinen Brandbrief, den er von Österreich aus in den Zeitungen veröffentlichen ließ, vor. Damit war der Grundstein für meine politische Bildung gelegt.
http://www.oskarmariagraf.de/werk-ausgewaehlte-texte-verbrennt-mich.html
Verbrennt mich!
Als die Nationalsozialisten am 10. Mai 1933 in zahlreichen Städten zur Bücherverbrennung aufriefen, blieben die Werke Oskar Maria Grafs verschont. In der Gunst der NS-Regierung zu stehen missfiel dem Dichter so sehr, dass er aus dem Wiener Exil die Verbrennung seiner Bücher forderte.
“Wie fast alle links gerichteten, entschieden sozialistischen Geistigen in Deutschland, habe auch ich etliche Segnungen des neuen Regimes zu spüren bekommen:
Während meiner zufälligen Abwesenheit aus München erschien die Polizei in meiner dortigen Wohnung, um mich zu verhaften. Sie beschlagnahmte einen großen Teil unwiederbringlicher Manuskripte, mühsam zusammengetragenes Quellenstudien-Material, meine sämtlichen Geschäftspapiere und einen großen Teil meiner Bücher. Das alles harrt nun der wahrscheinlichen Verbrennung. Ich habe also mein Heim, meine Arbeit und – was am Schlimmsten ist – die heimatliche Erde verlassen müssen, um dem Konzentrationslager zu entgehen.
Die schönste Überraschung aber ist mir erst jetzt zuteil geworden: Laut “Berliner Börsencourier” stehe ich auf der “weißen Autorenliste” des neuen Deutschlands, und alle meine Bücher, mit Ausnahme meines Hauptwerkes “Wir sind Gefangene”, werden empfohlen: Ich bin also dazu berufen, einer der Exponenten des “neuen” deutschen Geistes zu sein!
Vergebens frage ich mich: Womit habe ich diese Schmach verdient?
Das “Dritte Reich” hat fast das ganze deutsche Schrifttum von Bedeutung ausgestoßen, hat sich losgesagt von der wirklichen deutschen Dichtung, hat die größte Zahl seiner wesentlichsten Schriftsteller ins Exil gejagt und das Erscheinen ihrer Werke in Deutschland unmöglich gemacht.
Die Ahnungslosigkeit einiger wichtigtuerischer Konjunkturschreiber und der hemmungslose Vandalismus der augenblicklich herrschenden Gewalthaber versuchen all das, was von unserer Dichtung und Kunst Weltgeltung hat, auszurotten und den Begriff “deutsch” durch engstirnigsten Nationalismus zu ersetzen.
Ein Nationalismus, auf dessen Eingebung selbst die geringste freiheitliche Regung unterdrückt wird, ein Nationalismus, auf dessen Befehl alle meine aufrechten sozialistischen Freunde verfolgt, eingekerkert, gefoltert, ermordet oder aus Verzweiflung in den Freitod getrieben werden.
Und die Vertreter dieses barbarischen Nationalismus, der mit Deutschsein nichts, aber auch rein gar nichts zu tun hat, unterstehen sich, mich als einen ihrer “Geistigen” zu beanspruchen, mich auf ihre so genannte “weiße Liste” zu setzen, die vor dem Weltgewissen nur eine schwarze Liste sein kann!
Diese Unehre habe ich nicht verdient!
Nach meinem ganzen Leben und nach meinem ganzen Schreiben habe ich das Recht, zu verlangen, dass meine Bücher der reinen Flamme des Scheiterhaufens überantwortet werden und nicht in die blutigen Hände und die verdorbenen Hirne der braunen Mordbande gelangen. Verbrennt die Werke des deutschen Geistes! Er selber wird unauslöschlich sein wie eure Schmach!
Alle anständigen Zeitungen werden um Abdruck dieses Protestes ersucht.
Oskar Maria Graf”
aus: Ernst Loewy: Exil; Fischer
Ich hoffe meine Antwort fällt jetzt nicht zu lang aus. Sie haben mir Mut gegeben. Ich danke Ihnen.

Posted by: Srella | Oct 28 2022 22:45 utc | 232

@232 Peter AU1 | Oct 28 2022 19:23 utc – decorating cakes
Ah, Peter, that was beautiful.
I greatly appreciate your sanity.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 28 2022 22:52 utc | 233

I suppose this thread is dead, now superseded by the latest thread. Already. So soon. Are we in too much of a hurry?
I want to discuss the question of mental health issues, and are we seeing or experiencing them more lately?
And I want to ask, is our desire for instant answers, in itself, a form of mental ill-health?
~~
I note that Russia has begun to deal with its athletes and sports people being banned from international events, by creating its own event: Russia outlines plans for latest ‘Friendship Games’.
And this may not seem like much, but recall all the multi-nation organizations that Russia has joined or initiated, that now after many years are suddenly taking on a critical mass and looming over all the old global organizations, as not simply a competitor but an actual replacement.
The same will happen in athletics and sport.
~~
The same is happening in Ukraine (yes, this IS on topic).
We wish for a rapid solution to Avdeevka and Makhmut, some answer to reassure us that all is well. But is it we who are unbalanced and not all well, for wishing things to hurry into a place that our sheer impatience demands to be filled?
Are we who wish for Russia to hurry up and satisfy our ideas of how the war should proceed, are we actually experiencing mental ill health?
Can we not let the flow of life be the flow of life? Must we attempt to grasp it, in a form of magical thinking, believing that our anguish has a tangible nature, and can influence events by persuading them to hurry up?
Are we, in short, fucking crazy?
Should we just slow down, chill out, and watch and learn from reality, rather than racing our own heartbeats to urge the future to come sooner than it will?
~~
Those are my 2 cents. We are all crazy, and always have been, and always are. Any brief read of R.D. Laing will show that. But it’s when things get tight that our craziness breaks surface.
That’s all that’s happening here, in my view. Things are uncertain, stress levels are high, margins are tight. Hours are longer, rewards are diminished, gratitude is lost, and social feedback is minimal. And in the west, moral degeneration is destroying everything that our societies were built on. And the information stream is not only polluted but utter poison now, with actual lies that challenge what our own eyes see.
No wonder everyone is crazy, and trying so hard to make the pictures fit the belief. Their heads will either go pop from the strain, or they will relax into new ways of living with this. When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro, said the good Dr. Thompson.
~~
R.D. Laing, in Self and Others, makes a long description of schizophrenia and our minds, and all of this stuff, and we’re reading along and becoming wiser, and then like a hammer blow he says: “Meanwhile, Vietnam continues daily.” And this was in that time, of course. And it was his way of pointing out that when the world is crazy all around you, it’s not anomalous to feel all the natural craziness that we all have, feel it rising in sympathetic resonance.
So yes, there are mental health issues. But it’s only because everything is crazy.
If the crazy would go away, our crazy would go away.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2022 0:42 utc | 234

@ grieved
thats a great post grieved.. i share you position.. i will only encourage others to read it, especially those in a frenzy for an answer to their immediate questions…
@ stella – i enjoyed your posts, even though i had to use the translator function..

Posted by: james | Oct 29 2022 1:55 utc | 235

Is our desire for instant answers (and making instant judgments), a form of mental ill-health? Yes kind of. Maybe a state of Dis-Ease and Impatience.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 29 2022 7:53 utc | 236

Is our desire for instant answers (and making instant judgments), a form of mental ill-health? Yes kind of. Maybe a state of Dis-Ease and Impatience.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 29 2022 7:54 utc | 237

Is our desire for instant answers (and making instant judgments), a form of mental ill-health? Yes kind of. Maybe a state of Dis-Ease and Impatience.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 29 2022 7:55 utc | 238

@242 grieved
Great post. Thank you.
Spirit is emerging, but it is never how or where we want it to be.
“Highest good is like water. It is nourishing to all but settles in the lowlands where no one wishes it would be.”
~ Tao Te Ching
In my fretting to decide the outcome of this civilizational struggle, I too am in a hurry to bring the water up to the high lands, having it seep through my fingers back down to its natural place as I travel quickly back up.
It’s a great thought and a very good post!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 29 2022 9:30 utc | 239

Posted by: Tigger | Oct 28 2022 13:13 utc | 202
Since the beginning of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, a record number of people have left the Finnish army reserves. Since the beginning of the year, a record number of reservists have left the Finnish army, according to Breitbat.
People are moving from military reserves to alternative, civilian ones. It is noted that the Russian special operation in Ukraine played a role here. According to readers, this may be due to the country’s imminent accession to NATO.
A record number of people from the reserve of the Finnish army went to the reserve of the civilian alternative service after the start of Russia’s special operation in Ukraine. According to officials, this trend will not create difficulties for the country’s state security.The number of applications for transfer from the military reserve to the civil service has grown to a record 3.3 thousand this year.
In 2021, this figure was only 460. This trend started at the beginning of the year, but in March, after the start of the Russian SVO in Ukraine, it accelerated sharply.

At this run rate, this will be nearly 1000 % increase for resignation from the military reserve.
https://vpk.name/en/630882_finns-are-being-massively-dismissed-from-the-military-reserves-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-its.html

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 29 2022 9:33 utc | 240

“Be careful what you say as my delusion may be backed by the power of law in your country! You could go to jail for presenting evidence that contradicts my delusion!”
Sure, the Nazis victimized Jews back in the day, but they victimized a lot of people. The reality of modern day Nazis having a Jew as the figurehead of their state should help the slow-witted among us to realize that antisemitism was always a relatively unimportant appendage to Nazism; almost irrelevant. You could have substituted Roma peoples, or gays, or trade unionists, or communists for the role that Jews played in Nazism with no other significant change in history.
Oh, wait….
The thing is that a lot of Jews are narcissistic assholes with a victimhood complex that they celebrate as the apex character trait, and they like to assert that everything in history is about themselves and their eternal victimhood. Those very same narcissistic asshole Jews happen to have an oversize influence in media and academia, so it is no surprise that they successfully promoted the narrative that Nazism and WWII was all about Jews and their precious victimhood.
Drawing attention to the Nazis’ other victims, and indeed pointing out that Nazi antisemitism was just an unfortunate sideshow in WWII, removes Jews from the central role in history that they like to imagine they occupy. That’s not something a herd of narcissists can easily tolerate, even as it reinforces their beloved sense of victimization.
WWII and the Nazis were not all about Jews. Get over yourself and that cherished sense of victimhood. The Jews slaughtered by the Nazis were just unfortunate roadkill on the highway of history. The real target of the Nazis was the Soviet Union.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2022 11:04 utc | 241

“WWII and the Nazis were not all about Jews. Get over yourself and that cherished sense of victimhood. The Jews slaughtered by the Nazis were just unfortunate roadkill on the highway of history. The real target of the Nazis was the Soviet Union.”
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2022 11:04 utc | 249

_____
Thank you, William, very perceptive perspective.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Oct 29 2022 13:47 utc | 242

@242 Grieved | Oct 29 2022 0:42 utc
I should correct the book title by R.D. Laing that I cited. It was actually The Politics of Experience, a very famous and revolutionary look into the nature of our minds.
For me it was the first time I had encountered the idea that the universe inside ourselves is shaped and continuously influenced by the universe outside ourselves. We are all just barely holding onto current social norms of sanity: some people slip out of those norms, and other times the norms themselves change and we are compelled to adjust or rebel.
Several people have treated this idea, and while I am no scholar here, Mattias Desmet details the history of thought regarding this idea, as he deals a lot with it himself with his “mass formation” and also with his own view that the life of spirit informs reality more than we ever admit.
~~
So, we are in an age where the realities are changing, and at the same time there is enormous artificial control over the narrative. In the USA especially, and the west in general, the role of the now-monolithic media as essentially a laboratory assistant in a mass brainwashing endeavor is clear – and the results are strikingly successful.
More than a century of experimentation with manufacturing consent now combines with huge budgets and strict corporate diktats, so we have the method and the means both running together now at high pitch.
And all of this threatening the fragile and often precarious system of the self of each individual.
The good news I will end these scattered thoughts with is that we hold our own sanity in our own hands. What they do to our minds with all their powerful tools, is still not much compared with our own spiritual competence, our own emotional intelligence, our own natural compassion and our own reflective morality.
We don’t have to be tards.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2022 16:38 utc | 243

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2022 16:38 utc | 249
Point taken, Grieved, and not OT. The best thing college can teach is that as adults it is incumbent upon us to question, which often is not part of the pre-college educational formula, though sometimes these days with a good teacher it can be.
Think for ourselves, and question authority. Hold fast to the good, and spread it around our immediate circles as subtly or as imperatively as possible; but hold fast first of all.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 29 2022 17:09 utc | 244

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 29 2022 11:04 utc | 245
Norman Finklestein covered much of what you said in his book: “The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering”
And he’s Israeli

Posted by: ianMoone | Oct 29 2022 17:21 utc | 245

Grieved | Oct 29 2022 16:38 utc | 249
Your post reminds me of the mostly true notion that psychology isn’t real but social psychology is.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 31 2022 14:04 utc | 246

Grieved Oct 29 2022 16:38 utc 249
Your post reminds me of the mostly true notion that psychology isn’t real but social psychology is.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 31 2022 14:05 utc | 247

Grieved Oct 29 2022 16:38 utc 249
Your post reminds me of the mostly true notion that psychology isn’t real but social psychology is.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 31 2022 14:05 utc | 248

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 27 2022 21:54 utc | 82
«That means that soot would remain blocking sunlight from the earth for decades, cooling the Earth to levels not seen since the Permian–Triassic extinction event»
My usual quote on the “Vara of Yima”, which is an uncanny description of a deep bunker designed to bring a few survivors through a decades-long winter caused by nuclear war or by a massive eruption (most likely, given that it describes events that may not be older than 10-20,000yo, even if may refer to Toba, which would be amazing) or meteor swarm strike:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=v1u7DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT75
“O fair Yima, upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall, that shall bring the fierce, foul frost; upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall that shall make snowflakes fall thick, even on the highest tops of mountain …
Therefore make thee a Vara [a hypogeum, or underground enclosure] long as a riding ground on every side of the square, and thither bring the seeds of sheep and oxen, of men, of dogs, of birds, and of red blazing fires… Thither thou shalt bring the seeds of men and women of the greatest, best and finest kinds on this earth; thither shalt thou bring the seeds of every kind of cattle, of the greatest, best and finest kinds on this earth. Thither shalt thou bring the seeds of every kind of tree, of the greatest, best and finest kinds on this earth; thither shalt thou bring the seeds of every kind of fruit, the fullest of food and sweetest of odour. All those seeds shalt thou bring, two of every kind, to be kept inexhaustible there, so long as those men shall stay in the Vara. … [Now] there are ten winter months there, two summer months, and these are cold for the waters, cold for the earth, cold for the trees. Winter falls there, with the worst of its plagues. …
In the largest part of the place he made nine streets, six in the middle part, three in the smallest. To the streets of the largest part he brought a thousand seeds of men and women; to the streets of the middle part, six hundred; to the streets of the smallest part, three hundred. That Vara he sealed up with the golden ring, and a he made a door and a window self-shining within.
O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! What lights are there to give light in the Vara which Yima made? Ahura Mazda answered: “there are uncreated lights and created lights. There the stars, the moon and the sun are only once (a year) seen to rise and set, and a year seems only as a day.
Every fortieth year, to every couple two are born, a male and a female. And thus it is for every sort of cattle.”
Perhaps Yamantau is a new Vara. But I guess the spiteful usian oligarchs, with their own private Varas, have targeted dozens if of warheads to it.
https://medium.com/s/futurehuman/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1
«I just sat there at a plain round table as my audience was brought to me: five super-wealthy guys  —  yes, all men  —  from the upper echelon of the hedge fund world. After a bit of small talk, I realized they had no interest in the information I had prepared about the future of technology. They had come with questions of their own. […] Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked, “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?”»

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 31 2022 20:15 utc | 249

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 27 2022 21:54 utc | 82
«That means that soot would remain blocking sunlight from the earth for decades, cooling the Earth to levels not seen since the Permian–Triassic extinction event»
My usual quote on the “Vara of Yima”, which is an uncanny description of a deep bunker with a power generator, designed to bring a few survivors through a decades-long winter caused by nuclear war or by a massive eruption (most likely, given that it describes events that may not be older than 10-20,000yo, even if may refer to Toba, which would be amazing) or meteor swarm strike:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=v1u7DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT75
O fair Yima, upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall, that shall bring the fierce, foul frost; upon the material world the fatal winters are going to fall that shall make snowflakes fall thick, even on the highest tops of mountain …
Therefore make thee a Vara [a hypogeum, or underground enclosure] long as a riding ground on every side of the square, and thither bring the seeds of sheep and oxen, of men, of dogs, of birds, and of red blazing fires… Thither thou shalt bring the seeds of men and women of the greatest, best and finest kinds on this earth; thither shalt thou bring the seeds of every kind of cattle, of the greatest, best and finest kinds on this earth. Thither shalt thou bring the seeds of every kind of tree, of the greatest, best and finest kinds on this earth; thither shalt thou bring the seeds of every kind of fruit, the fullest of food and sweetest of odour. All those seeds shalt thou bring, two of every kind, to be kept inexhaustible there, so long as those men shall stay in the Vara. … [Now] there are ten winter months there, two summer months, and these are cold for the waters, cold for the earth, cold for the trees. Winter falls there, with the worst of its plagues. …
In the largest part of the place he made nine streets, six in the middle part, three in the smallest. To the streets of the largest part he brought a thousand seeds of men and women; to the streets of the middle part, six hundred; to the streets of the smallest part, three hundred. That Vara he sealed up with the golden ring, and a he made a door and a window self-shining within.
O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! What lights are there to give light in the Vara which Yima made? Ahura Mazda answered: “there are uncreated lights and created lights. There the stars, the moon and the sun are only once (a year) seen to rise and set, and a year seems only as a day.
Every fortieth year, to every couple two are born, a male and a female. And thus it is for every sort of cattle.

Perhaps Yamantau is a new Vara. But I guess the spiteful usian oligarchs, with their own private Varas, have targeted dozens of warheads to it.
https://medium.com/s/futurehuman/survival-of-the-richest-9ef6cddd0cc1
«my audience was brought to me: five super-wealthy guys  —  yes, all men  —  from the upper echelon of the hedge fund world. After a bit of small talk, I realized they had no interest in the information I had prepared about the future of technology. They had come with questions of their own. […] Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked, “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?”»

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 31 2022 20:20 utc | 250

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 27 2022 19:52 utc | 28
«I live in America but it is not my country anymore and it has become a tool of God Of Mammon»
Your realization is sort of based on a false premise, that America is a country or was a country in recent times, in the same way that Denmark is a country or Vietnam is a country or Quebec is a country, that is an historical community with its own culture and traditions, and a ruling elite that has managed it for generations.
While there are some countries within the USA, the USA is a *business park*, with its own management suite in Washington, its own security guards run by the Pentagon, and it even has worker dormitories (e.g. the “Inland Empire”).
That the USA as a whole is not a country is pretty obvious to europeans when they see the generic USA city and its suburbs: they are pretty much all the same, just sections of the same business park, except places like Atherton or Martha’s Vineyard or Aspen, where the owners of the business park tenants live.
There are still *some* countries in the USA, and some aspects of the USA are still like a country (some military dynasties especially in the Navy, some old money elites) but largely the transformation to business park was well on the way before WW2.
That makes the USA a very different place from countries like southern England: for example the London ruling caste are very corrupt, but they *own* the place, it is theirs, and a foreign power cannot bribe them, because there many of that ruling caste working as principals in politics, banking, media, academia, military, medicine, etc.
While the USA as a business park is just for rent to whoever. If Huawei, ZTE, CPC, etc. outbid Citibank, Wal*Mart, Microsoft, etc. in hiring Congress people, nothing much would change, it would be simply a new set of leading tenants of the business park.
Going back to the war by the ukrainian government against the people of the Donbas, that is also part of the difficulty that Putin has: he claims that the Russian Federation and Ukraine are one country, or at least two twin countries, but for “the west” and many of their oligarch class they are too just business parks, and they like the idea of being “sponsored” or “franchised” by the ultimate business park experts, the USA. Which process has gone pretty far for Ukraine, and was going along pretty well under Yeltsin for the Russian Federation, but then was largely reverted by Putin, but there are still several dissenting elements.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 31 2022 20:48 utc | 251

«Sure, the Nazis victimized Jews back in the day, but they victimized a lot of people.»
There is a bit of confusion there between fascists and nazis: fascists were against all *political* “deviants”, but not against jews (or minorities in general, and their attitudes to homosexuals etc. was one of derision, not extermination), and a lot of jews were fascists in Italy 1922-1943 and afterwards, and even today there are a lot of fascists in Israel, some of them quite racist (e.g. against dark-skinned jews, just like many muslims discrminate against dark-skinned muslims too).
«The reality of modern day Nazis having a Jew as the figurehead of their state
Most of the ruthenian “nazis” are actually simply fascists, like thos of Mossolini or other fascist (hungarian, croatian, serbian, bulgarian, romanian, …) varieties of the time.
Some of them believe themselves nazis because they misunderstand their fascist ancestors (the followers of Petliura, Dontsov, Bandera) to have been nazis because they fought with the nazis, but they not not nazis, like Mossolini and his followers were not nazis either. They are just cosplaying nazis, and real historical nazis would be horrified to see vulgar ukrainian buffoons (which is what most fascists also are) degrading what they thought was a noble german ideology.
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should help the slow-witted among us to realize that antisemitism was always a relatively unimportant appendage to Nazism; almost irrelevant.
But the original NSDAP party ideology was definitely also and prominently anti-jew, their leader was absolutely clear on that, “purity of blood” (“limpieza de sangre”) amplified many times. This does not mean that he necessarily wanted to exterminate them (while he certainly argued for the extermination of communists), “just” ethnically cleanse them, pushing them out of Germany (e.g. by intimidation and discrimination), a policy pursued by his government in less or more brutal way for several years before WW2.
That kind of ethnic cleansing has been used several times in history, for example most recently by the ruthenian fascists against the people of the Donbas.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 31 2022 22:23 utc | 252

«“Vara of Yima” […] describes events that may not be older than 10-20,000yo, even if may refer to Toba, which would be amazing) or meteor swarm strike:»
Another poster described a very apposite (timing and consequences) event:
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2022 6:07 utc | 156
The most recent extinction event was virtually yesterday, only 12900 years ago when a comet fragment hit the 3000m thick Laurentide ice sheet over present day Michigan, USA. The effect was an all out bombardment of massive ice boulders all over North America, killing the megafauna in an instant and creating the Carolina Bays. It also caused unimaginable tsunamis in the Atlantic ocean, devastating present day Europe and Mediterranean. […] That was the Younger Dryas cooling event that dropped temperatures 15C over night.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 31 2022 22:58 utc | 253