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October 27, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-185
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Cyclops@92
The story is certainly apocryphal-it is a rehash of a late C19th conversation with Arnold Toynbee (not the one who died in the C20th but his uncle) the economic historian who is also credited with coming up with the term “Industrial revolution.”
But none of that matters in the version you quote the ‘diplomat’ is Chou En Lai who was very likely quoting Toynbee just as Mark Twain was consciously quoting Disraeli “There are lies, damed lies and statistics.”
Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2022 0:17 utc | 101
@ Posted by: Zanon | Oct 27 2022 19:51 utc | 27
O’really?/s
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 28 2022 0:24 utc | 102
Posted by: marko | Oct 27 2022 19:58 utc | 34
lets not hope that Europe is to get tired of serving USA interests.
I cannot imagine that.
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There will come a time when Europeans will have had enough of their American cousins and feel compelled to send them back home once and for all in body bags.
Posted by: jointy | Oct 28 2022 0:26 utc | 103
@krypton 87
This is a blatant lie. Germany recognized the priceless works in the justly renowned library and the sites importance to Catholics, and notified the Vatican and the Allies that they had not, were not and would not occupy the he monastery for any purpose. During the seige they repeatedly offered a safe passage to the Allies to inspect the monastery. The head of the remaining monks Martino Matronola also told the Vatican and the allies that the only people in the monastery were monks and some of the nearby population who had taken refuge there from the fighting. To the horror of the South African and British laders, the Americans decided to shell and bomb the monastery and it’s contents into dust. When they were done it was utterly destroyed. There are multiple contemporaneous diary entries and signals confirming this barbaric action, on a par with the destruction of the libraries of Alexandria, Antioch, Moorish Spain and Portugal, the Cathars and Abelards, South America, Borneo, China and thousands of others.
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 28 2022 0:32 utc | 104
Debsisdead #94
Thank you. Got it in a nutshell.
Stay well.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2022 0:40 utc | 105
Posted by: Pete P | Oct 27 2022 18:50 utc | 4
seconded
Posted by: Simon | Oct 28 2022 0:40 utc | 106
@ hermit 95
About 14,000 civilians in the Donbas have been killed by AFU shelling, and the shelling continues. I realize bombing might entail collateral damage but slow-walking the Avdiivka problem has cost more lives. This is turning out to be akin to an advanced version of WWI trench warfare, and my view is simply that Russia has sufficient military power to end this problem and should have done so a long time ago. The sooner Russia asserts its true power and cuts off Lviv supply lines and takes Kiev and Odessa, the less likely this little war will get out of control and consume the planet.
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Oct 28 2022 0:44 utc | 107
b didn’t say for down south to stop posting… interesting down south is taking a break today…
@ debs… always entertaining and with value in your commentary too.. i can read telegram without others sharing, but i do find it helpful some of what down south shares and saves me the trip… same deal reading moa.. have i just replaced one brainwashing outlet for another? not if i continue to think critically..
Posted by: james | Oct 28 2022 0:46 utc | 108
from rybar
Russian Armed Forces strikes on the energy system of Ukraine on October 27, 2022 – Rybar’s analysis
Rybar’s team continues daily analysis of the consequences of systemic fire destruction of Ukrainian energy system facilities.
🔻During the day, our team recorded two hits:
▪️PS Kyiv 750kV – autotransformer failure confirmed
▪️PS Belotserkovskaya 330kV – probable damage
🔻Today’s attack on the Kyiv 750 substation had a much greater impact in terms of efficiency than all previous strikes on the Kyiv energy center combined.
▪️At least one single-phase autotransformer 750/330kV was destroyed. The protective screens separating the single-phase autotransformers from each other could protect the rest of the transformers from damage, but the destruction of even one of the three renders the remaining two useless.
▪️The capacity of one autotransformer is 333 MVA: the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation deprived the Kyiv energy district of the technical ability to receive 1000 MVA of power from the Rivne and Khmelnitsky nuclear power plants. And that’s a lot.
Yes, we understand that the transformer may not have been used at 100%, but we assume that the second three single-phase transformers were damaged as a result of previous strikes (unfortunately, there are not enough facts of objective control).
▪️This is a very serious blow to the energy system of Ukraine. And the consequences were not slow to affect Kyiv: a wave of unscheduled power outages covered the entire capital and region.
Despite the presence in Kyiv of its own sources of generation – CHPP-5, CHPP-6 (which also suffered as a result of the strike and lost half of the generated capacity), and the Kyiv hydroelectric power station, as well as the Trypilska thermal power plant in the immediate vicinity of the capital, their energy is clearly not enough for the normal operation of the power system.
🔻This leads to the conclusion: isolation of nuclear power plants from the rest of the network and consumers is currently the most effective scenario for influencing the Ukrainian energy system.
Posted by: james | Oct 28 2022 0:50 utc | 109
David Levin | Oct 27 2022 23:43 utc | 99
Thanks for the compromise option.
I simultaneously appreciate DownSouth’s Slavyangrad updates as they are a much needed counter balance to the trolls telling us Zelensky is at this very moment suiting up in leather chaps to twerk in Red Square ….
And. There were just too many…
1/ b’s request of course needs to be respected.
2/ b’s request is for the cessation of “mass posting” so presumably one update is permissible.
Please stop mass posting here all the minor tactical stuff…
3/ For many posters, and many more lurkers, these threads are vital… having a once a thread update is invaluable.
4/: Suggestion: Down South, continue to post ONE update of daily despatch.
b can then either delete or issue a total ban (which is not how I read his comment)
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 28 2022 0:52 utc | 110
Hmmmm. I still can’t proofread to close html tags
And.
Typepad back to its party trick of holding a “from the future” post at the bottom of the thread.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 28 2022 0:56 utc | 111
Looks like those advocating for DS’s TG posts outnumber those who don’t
If you don’t like it, then don’t read it. How hard is it to skip over postings?
Much ado about nothing…
Posted by: Nathan in WA US | Oct 28 2022 0:57 utc | 112
My tuppence worth on posts from slavyangrad; I like MoA for a number of reasons, but specifically on the Ukraine war I use it as a “one stop shop”; I don’t have the time or inclination to wade through lots of telegram channels, and I find the summaries more useful and informative than all the bickering with trolls.
Posted by: Tim | Oct 28 2022 0:58 utc | 113
Precisely! and one look at the behaviour of the neocons after Trumps election and then the Biden primaries and election would leave any sane observer with a clear understanding that there is no sane US entity to negotiate a civil, peaceful shared world order.
Lost in the shuffle……
Trump’s election put off the confrontation between NATO and Russia over the DonBas for 6 cruicial years… from 2016 – 2022….
Sufficient time for Russia and China to prepare….
Sufficient time for NATO petroleum resources to deplete to the point insufficient exist to go around…
Sufficient time for an EurAsian SCO victory…
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 28 2022 0:58 utc | 114
@20 Mothy_Jim | Oct 27 2022 19:40 utc
Thank you for that reminder of When the Wind Blows. One of the most disquieting things I’ve ever watched. I didn’t know about Raymond Briggs but it’s easy to see he was much loved, and a sincere RIP to him, as they say.
I was visiting England just after that cartoon came out, and friends sat me down and said I had to watch it. It was appalling – the sheer innocence of those people, their ignorance of what was happening, their faith in ordinary life, with reliable government, news information, supply chain and all essential services.
Although I didn’t have those terms so ready to hand as I do now.
It’s on YouTube:
Anti-War Animation Film I When the Wind Blows (1986) I Retrospective
Some may wish to watch this animated story. I highly recommend it. Of all the movies made about nuclear war, I found this one seeps inside and turns from warm to dead chill, with its sheer charm of old England back in that day, and the utter pathos of the fall.
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 28 2022 0:58 utc | 115
The relationship between Jews in high government positions and the media and the leadup to the Ukraine War needs to be explored. Do Jews with ancestors who were killed or hurt during the Russian Empire want revenge against Russia? As a very cohesive group, Jews have long memories. It’s a mindset conducive to wanting revenge for the crimes against their kin. Jews in important roles worked hard and persistently to change the course of events and it has brought the US to proxy war with Russia.
Why is it that everyone cannot remember that a very large number of the Bosheviks… including the most influential… were Jews…
Whyis it that lost in the shuffle… this war.. like so many before it… is over resources…
Why is it that most cannot remember the goal of this war… is dis-memberment of Russia… so it’s resources fall into the hands of NATO/USA
Why is it that most cannot/do not remember why the Chinese hate the US… cannot.. will not… watch
“Going Across The Yalu River” in all 40 installments.. to understand the underlying enmity…
This war is for the express purpose of dis-membering Russia… China… the SCO…
So…
The US can continue driving gas hogs…
Only….
Looks like this time…. they have a tiger on their tail…. followed by a bear…
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 28 2022 1:05 utc | 116
Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 27 2022 20:37 utc | 51
VK was a massive bullshit artist with a specialty in Marxist boilerplate — which actually fooled me as to his true nature at first, because I, like you, am sympathetic to Marxist analysis.
He was wont to dig in his heels and pretend to knowledge he didn’t have, and wouldn’t let go even when called on it. This was obvious during the Rittenhouse matter, where it was clear that he knew nothing at all about the technical details of the law but insisted that the verdict was “legally” wrong.
He was a fraud and I’m disappointed that someone of your intelligence admires him, apparently having been sucked in by a superficial ideological sympathy.
That’s all I intend to say about it.
Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Oct 28 2022 1:16 utc | 117
@ Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 27 2022 11:44 utc | 253
Britain didn’t ally with France and Russia before 1914, it entered into a limited liability “understandings” with them. Britain’s ulterior motive was to restrain them, by making them dependent on British complaisance in a great European war, having already flirted with Germany to save money on the naval arms race. That’s why the French had to give up any idea of attacking Germany through Belgium and the Russians had to accept spheres of influence in central Asia.
Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 28 2022 1:17 utc | 118
Does anyone have any thoughts on why Russia can’t take Avdiivka? I believe it’s about six miles northwest of Donetsk, and the AFU has been in Avdiivka shelling Donetsk for many years.
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Oct 27 2022 22:17 utc | 85
I second that query.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 1:25 utc | 119
@Tim, ” I find the summaries more useful and informative than all the bickering with trolls. ”
I just wanted to see that repeated. It’s said advertising works so well partly because of repetition.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 1:41 utc | 120
@117 SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 1:25 utc – et al
I recall early on reading that Avdeevka was going to be a tough nut, and I think it’s because the fortifications are deeply embedded within the civilian population. So it’s going to take the Chechen or Wagner, block-by-block street fighting.
And this seems not only very obviously difficult, but also a matter of having the disposition of the surrounding battlefield in the shape that makes it safe and appropriate for those ground forces to begin their inching along to victory. In other words, you can’t begin that kind of operation until a wider field has been prepared.
It’s not a comic-book situation, soluble in a few panels. It’s a very tough nut.
It’s probably as easy for one to look through the Web as for me to look through bookmarks to find collateral for that, but if anyone wants more detail, that’s the framework that I think it hangs on.
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By the way, I should mention that when I read Russian sources about the continued shelling of the Donbass, it’s very clear that all Russian hearts bleed sincerely, all the way from the very top, down to the lowest tier, that this shelling cannot be stopped right now. But to do so involves butchering a lot of civilians.
The Ukrops chose their emplacements well, so to speak.
And also by the way, every time the Russians hear some anguish over things like this, it only turns the knife in their own hearts. It doesn’t help anything.
Going just from memory, so it’s only: My 2 cents.
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 28 2022 1:43 utc | 121
OdessaConnected@105
The context within which Russian military advances are viewed includes the fact that, during its 2003 invasion of a defenceless, isolated, sanctioned and virtually disarmed Iraq the US caused the immediate deaths of around a million civilians.
And then one has to add the casualties of such appalling actions as the besieging and collective punishment of cities such as Fallujah in which the number of casualties is incalculable.
Add to this the longer term death toll arising out of war caused diseases (largely of the waterborne variety) cancers from the use of depleted uranium and other semi genocidal results of the invasion (in which Ukraines’s military was a willing, indeed, highly honoured to be asked, participant and the restraint being shown by the Russian forces can only be viewed as, in relative terms, highly admirable.
Of course in Europe and in America the equivalent value of the lives of brown skinned children and whites is always difficult to grasp.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2022 1:46 utc | 122
@Squeeth | Oct 28 2022 1:17 utc | 116
??? I’m confused about your comment. I don’t think it’s related to me, cheers.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 1:46 utc | 123
Trump’s election put off the confrontation between NATO and Russia over the DonBas for 6 cruicial years… from 2016 – 2022….
Sufficient time for Russia and China to prepare….
Sufficient time for NATO petroleum resources to deplete to the point insufficient exist to go around…
Sufficient time for an EurAsian SCO victory…
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 28 2022 0:58 utc | 112
Thanks for all your posts today, succinct and right on the money. I had not realised the time scale corresponded to the Trump election. Interesting way to look at it. Maybe he was a Russian Asset after all 🙂 (but not in the way the US Dems mean)
Posted by: K | Oct 28 2022 1:49 utc | 124
The 2014 coup was not the first US-backed coup in Ukraine.
Does anyone really think that the 2004 “Orange Revolution” was spontaneous?
Yeah, right.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 28 2022 1:53 utc | 125
Twitter in Germany not only ensures that photos of the Azov battalion remain invisible to Germans. The people who managed to publish relevant footage are charged and sentenced.
“Law-abiding German citizens are punished for posting photos of Azov battalion with the flag of the Third Reich us swastikas to draw attention to the presence of neo-Nazi ideologies in Ukraine.
“In several federal states and practically at the same time, the prosecutor’s office opened criminal cases for the dissemination of Nazi symbols. These cases were then handed over to the court. One of the defendants has already been sentenced to 40 days of community service. This punishment would be quite justified were it not for one important circumstance: each of these cases involves a discussion on the Internet. Users of social media were discussing photos of the Ukrainian special forces unit Azov. The photos show Azov fighters posing with two flags – that of their battalion and that of the Third Reich with swastikas,” said VADAR lawyer Dr. Michael Adam, who represents the defendants.
The German citizens against whom the criminal proceedings were initiated turned to VADAR for legal assistance. They emphasize that they used the scandalous photo in the context of an Internet debate. In particular, they tried to prove to their opponents that the presence of the flag and symbolism of Nazi Germany on the photo proves the presence of neo-Nazism in Ukraine and that Azov Battalion is a supporter of this ideology.
However, the prosecutor’s office and the court did not take into account the context and arguments of the defendant’s side and ordered to remove the photo from social networks. The participants of the discussion are to be sentenced for spreading Nazi symbols.
German human rights activists from VADAR believe that this situation is another “alarm signal” that shows the systematic nature of the abuse of legal provisions in the Federal Republic of Germany. “This is highly alarming. With the means of justice, they are trying to suppress anti-fascism and the right of people to express themselves. Against the background of Germany’s historical responsibility, it is forbidden to manipulate the law in the interests of a single group. Truthful information must trigger an open discussion in society. Anti-fascism is and remains one of our indispensable values. I feel compelled to ask the members of the Bundestag to intervene in this situation. The Ministry of Justice must thoroughly investigate the case,” commented Ulrich Oehme, Chairman of the Board of VADAR.
VADAR was founded at the end of June 2022. A group of politicians led by Ulrich Oehme, a former member of the Bundestag from the Alternative for Germany party, came together to defend the interests of the Russian-speaking population in Germany against the backdrop of increasing Russophobia following the events in Ukraine.”
Two days ago, paragraph 130 in German criminal law was changed. Until now, its main purpose was to punish Holocaust denial. From now on, people who doubt that the Russians killed the civilians in Bucha or (for the future) detonated the dirty atomic bomb can go to prison for three years.
The German regime of the Red-Green Khmer is waging an open war against the people and the truth.
Posted by: Uwe | Oct 28 2022 2:05 utc | 126
bevin | Oct 28 2022 1:46 utc | 120
That’s all very interesting historically, however Avdiivka is no Fallujah situation by any stretch – so imho it doesn’t really address/relate to the original query being:
Does anyone have any thoughts on why Russia can’t take Avdiivka? I believe it’s about six miles northwest of Donetsk, and the AFU has been in Avdiivka shelling Donetsk for many years.
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Oct 27 2022 22:17 utc | 85
It’s a good reasonable question to ask. They were able to liberate other places why not Donesk city and surrounds from non-stop shelling, petal mines, and live fire?
Eva Bartlett been asking the same kind of things as have people who live there.
I went to a front line outpost 70 meters from Ukrainian forces in Avdeevka
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=r1Gyvy2LCic
and
August – During Ukraine’s bombings of central Donetsk a couple hours ago. At least five in first few minutes, ~10:20 am. Some time later, another maybe 4 explosions. Dead woman’s body blurred to avoid Twitter censorship.
https://nitter.net/EvaKBartlett/status/1556133528357707776
and
https://www.mintpressnews.com/under-fire-from-ukraine-everyday-life-in-the-donetsk-peoples-republic/262363/
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 2:11 utc | 127
https://eu.eot.su/2022/06/01/what-is-happening-in-avd%D1%83eevka-about-the-avdeevka-pocket-and-other-related-issues/
Avdeevka. Sits on a hill , highly defensive. Has soviet era bomb shelters in industrial area. I heard earlier in the SMO they had artillery in basements with iron doors to open and fire from within civilian buildings. Its heavily manned. 50k troops and fortified with a best part of a decade efforts on even older works.
In the article is various statements as to why its not taken by dpr. Also a wierd story about ukie soldiers gettn the “plaque”
Personally i am dumbfounded why this place isnt a high priority considering the daily carnage it unleashes. But the bosses think siege is best on it
Posted by: Hankster | Oct 28 2022 2:55 utc | 128
@ Deplorable Cro Magno 2
You are perplexed about Ukranian manpower?
I think the US has prepared its zombie Azov neonazis withe the same ruthlessness that it prepared its Al Qaida zombies, starting from Yugoslavia by rendition, torture brainwashing, and sowing the seeds of hate.
The US got its pet dictators, Mubarak Asssad , Pseudo Arabia, Gadaffi, and then its Eastern European pimps in Poland, etc to torture brainwash hundreds of thousands of ordinary males into ruthless soldiers.
The US has been brainwashing the Ukranians for 20 years, but it has notv yet emerged emerged from Ukranian refugees how the brainwashing was achieved. Time will tell.
In Syria we were always being told that prior to ant crackdown on ISIS strongholds, the leaders and their families were evacuated by US helicopters, and the ordinary dupes massacred.
This is what I am expecting to be the pattern in Ukraine. USUKIS only need a few committed Bander buggers to lead hordes of terrified , partially indoctrinated groupie xombie ordinary young soldiers.
They are assisted by Westerners paid by Na toe the ljne professional soldiers under the command of WEFuckers like Scholtz and Wonder Blonde.
Only when one has understood the pure evil of Western Atlantacist politics can one understand the Russian SMO. Russia is not even remotely interested in regaining territory in Ukraine, except as a platform to attack the Froth-flecked Western proxies of Azov and their miserable patsy hirelingz.
Has Russia occupied Syria? Nor imho will it occupy The Ukraine. Russia only needs to be in Ukraine to eliminate USUKIS Azov proxies. Its unfortunate that so many gullible folls are getting slaughtered in Mosul, Raqqa, Ukraine and round the world.
The people who recruited them are living in the neat of spies in London. NATO soldiers are just as much suckers as ISIS, Azov and IDF. Does anybody think that the organisers of all this carnage are living in Ukraine?
They are living in Europe darling, on the USUKIS gravy train.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 28 2022 3:13 utc | 129
Mike @ iEarlgrey has a 20minute upload that’s “highly likely” to appeal to many who frequent b’s bar…
>A French journalist about Zelensky.
>An Israeli, Yakov Kedmi, … on an Israeli tv talk panel…. Host and fellow panelists silent as he speaks… he’d be cut off and cut to commercial break and cut to pieces, in any other controlled media = controlled country….
>Mike’s recommendation for Halloween costume
>Brandon’s speech deficiencies spreading and afflicting his political fellow travellers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFJGBgFVcc8
Jimmy Dore = A comedian turned political commentator
Mike “earlgrey”, an amateur political commentator, turning (amateur) comedian.
Zelensky…. A woeful comedian and “inadequate” piano player = diabolical dangerous and damned puppet (president).
(IEarlygray is dangerously approaching 100k subscribers and Mike expects his channel to be disappeared by yt once he hits the milestone… catch while you can)…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 28 2022 3:18 utc | 130
Posted by: james | Oct 28 2022 0:50 utc | 107
Thanks for the updates James.
Posted by: migueljose | Oct 28 2022 3:26 utc | 131
@Cyclops
This discussion probably belongs in the general discussion thread. So I will keep my response succinct.
Morality is just a portmanteau for the baggage with which people are conditioned when they are too young and reflexive to reason for themselves (See Piaget/Kohlberg’s stages of moral development).
“Spiritual” is just a meaningless nonsense term. It can always be substituted with selfish and self-centered concepts without changing the meaning of a sentence in which it is used.
Try ethics, instead. Some of my suggestions on this are embodied in Link to an Introduction to evaluism>
@bevin 100
You shortened this post by two paragraphs by dealing with the Toynbee malcite. When told as a joke, I have heard it extended (borrowing from Gandi), “And what do you think of Western civilization?” “It would be a good idea”,
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 28 2022 3:40 utc | 132
@29 Oriental Voice | Oct 27 2022 19:52 utc – “Too much chatter…a few here who still belabour the pros and cons of COVID jabbing
I agree with practically everything you write. And it’s off-topic to belabor this point in this thread. But the situation with vaccines is a live grenade, an IED, a fog-shrouded battle in progress, an evolving reality that is by no means finished. I and others will speak of it as information arises.
I can promise that it won’t be chatter.
No one gossips about this anymore. It’s become a live tragedy in progress. No one is going to chatter or gossip about this.
When one of the few comments about this topic is posted, in the appropriate thread, it won’t be chatter. It will be a slice of the ongoing tragedy, a witness to the devastation, no less in scale than any latest fire strike on innocent civilians in the Donbass.
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 28 2022 3:47 utc | 133
@Debsisdead | Oct 27 2022 22:59 utc | 94
I get your point but it’s not an either/or situation. One can curate the curated. It’s like shopping at a boutique or attending a special exhibition at a museum. Many of us have time constraints and having a summarized version of the news is appreciated but I can see how it competes with b thus his dislike.
Posted by: Jun | Oct 28 2022 3:50 utc | 134
In Europe and America the equivalent value of the lives of brown skinned children and whites is always difficult to grasp.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2022 1:46 utc | 120
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I like your posts in general; usually good insights.
However, your animosity towards the USA prejudices your judgment to the extent that you seem to have forgotten such examples as the postwar German genocide.
What people who are critical of the US consistently fail to understand is that it represents peak competition. This reality is reflected in all facets of life, from careers to sports to welfare to criminal justice.
It doesn’t matter who you are, fellow citizen, defeated Aryan foe: losers are shunned, ignored, forgotten and/or eliminated if they cause too much trouble.
It really is the pirate code: take all, leave nothing. And because the people, culture and customs reflect this perspective, you cannot shame, blame or cause any level of distress among at least 95% of the population.
One, they actually dont care, and two, battles like fallujah are glorified as testaments to US military prowess.
I’m actually somewhat intrigued by the lack of knowledge and insight as to the American psyche. Is it really this widespread?
OK, is everyone ready for a mindblow? The only real opposition to the war is from Trump supporters, not because of ethics, but because they’re also being persecuted by the same demons.
Does everyone forget the support both (republican) bushes got in Gulf wars 1 & 2 respectively? If Trump was president, the only voices against russia would be the traditional anti war left
Now, that should give outsiders pause: the only opposition to US wars is a function of *US domestic politics*. It has absolutely nothing to do wider, broader issues of ethics and morality.
If that doesn’t scare you, maybe it should. Now maybe have you have a better insight as to the strategic analysis being considered with regards to nukes.
It’s not just a few crazies. Bush was speaking for all when he said “the American way of life is non negotiable”.
Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 28 2022 3:52 utc | 135
I have a question that might be worthy of a full post or comment thread. Supposing USA/Ukraine blow up a dirty bomb and claim it was a Russian nuke – what does that get them? What major action would it be used to justify?
That’s what I want to know.
Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Oct 28 2022 4:11 utc | 136
@b #1
I find it bizarre you would take to task a poster actually contributing value to the blog while letting trolls run riot.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 28 2022 4:32 utc | 137
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 27 2022 22:59 utc | 94
A VPN won’t solve the problem of accessing channels that TG has blocked at the behest of certain Governments. Reason being TG are not blocking access based on the IP address of the user, rather the mobile number used to register the TG account. The solution: obtain a mobile number from a non-censoring country.
Posted by: Jax | Oct 28 2022 4:34 utc | 138
@ Uwe | Oct 28 2022 2:05 utc | 124
that is indeed very disturbing.. thanks and keep us posted on how this develops….
@ SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 2:11 utc | 125
well obviously russia doesn’t know what the fuck they are doing… case closed.. grieved also responded to you @119.. i figure some are going to put you on ignore here forward…
@ migueljose | Oct 28 2022 3:26 utc | 129
hey! you’re welcome… my pleasure and hope you are doing good…
Posted by: james | Oct 28 2022 4:43 utc | 139
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 27 2022 22:59 utc | 94
This is a recursive argument. All news are curated information. The reason news exist in the first place is because people cannot be in all places at the same time, but wish to know a bit about something.
The more you look into, the more you know, yes. But eventually you are just telling people to be their own curators by looking at more curated lists. Which is equal to not saying anything.
Posted by: Lemming | Oct 28 2022 4:45 utc | 140
Does anyone have any thoughts on why Russia can’t take Avdiivka?
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Oct 27 2022 22:17 utc | 85
That reminds of the quote that came out of the American war on Vietnam, ‘We had to destroy the village in order to save it.’
Russia doesn’t seem to follow that policy and like Grieved said @119, ‘the Ukops chose their emplacements well’.
Let’s not forget that the Americans lost that ‘police action’/ ‘smo’, in large part because of that type of thinking.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 28 2022 4:50 utc | 141
Patroklos @ 51, Herr Ringbone @ 115:
VK had a habit of flooding the comments forums with long articles printed in full which s/he could have just linked to. Even when Bernhard warned VK not to do this, and deleted several of VK’s comments, VK continued to flood the comments forums with these long articles – by breaking them up into smaller yet still long segments! This behaviour was what eventually got VK thrown out of the bar.
Even if VK did post comments with useful information, some of us barflies guessed at what the underlying motivation was: to derail and direct conversation away from particular topics into pathways where barflies ended up tiring themselves in debating with VK over details rather than the central issues.
Also for someone who claimed to be Brazilian, VK had an excessive interest in the Kyle Rittenhouse case and consistently claimed that the case demonstrated that trial by jury, as practised in Western nations, is fundamentally defective.
For all his supposed Marxist posturing, my intuition is that VK used Marxism as a cover for his/her agenda, whatever that was. S/he was as sincere about Marxism as the Ukrainians are about fighting for democracy and freedom or what they selectively believe about those concepts.
Posted by: Jen | Oct 28 2022 4:54 utc | 142
Some people seem to think that the predicted Republican success in the MidTerms will change something. Nope, it won’t. The US is a One-Party state and its policies were decided somewhere after WWII. World domination. The successor the British Empire and the Third Reich. The world WILL change — only because this One-Party state has not legitimacy nationally or internationally has been failing for years. Russia will persist. Win the War. The US will pretend that IT won!https://open.substack.com/pub/julianmacfarlane/p/midterms-a-bloodletting?
Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Oct 28 2022 5:00 utc | 143
The generous and dedicated Bernard allows about a free for all here and has for years despite complaints and opposition. It’s a certainty that this establishment has been under close scrutiny by about 8 intelligence agencies plus friendly sharing of overviews, names, etc in reports. He’s fighting daily with paid posters, hitler glorification, folks wanting to nuke both sides, and undoubtedly dedicates a great deal of time to a cause that offers little return. It’s his though. There’s ridiculous posts and accusations and downright disrespecting the owner of the platform you’re writing on complaining about.
Posted by: NJH | Oct 28 2022 5:02 utc | 144
So now we don’t even get the Russia MOD from Summary or whomever…..sigh
I am also sorry that DS could not grow in their adding value to the comets by integrating b’s concern….human interaction can be quite fragile, even in a bar setting like this
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 28 2022 5:04 utc | 145
Sorry all, I’m a regular lurker who rarely posts here, but I have a burning question: is anyone else experiencing mental health issues at this time?
To me, the Empire is in advanced state of collapse and the Russians cannot but prevail, yet all western media organs say the exact opposite.
While this is engendering great personal distress, what is it doing to those who trustingly believe this non stop nonsense?
I fear that the coming collapse shall not only be economic/geopolitical but also a mental health catastrophe among the centrist/liberal classes who are the ruling classes in the West.
How can this end without nuclear destruction? Call this a cry for help, if you will.
Posted by: Cousin Jack | Oct 28 2022 5:35 utc | 146
@Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 28 2022 5:04 utc | 143
Just load Telegram on your phone and link to the Slavyangrad channel and you will have access. If an old bugger like me can do that so can anyone. Much better than having it cut and paste into this blog. Lots of interesting details on Slavyangrad.
According to Professor John Mearsheimer, the mutually existential nature of the conflict means that the war can drag on for a long time. However, all signs point to Russia preparing for a serious escalation. In the US midterm elections of November 8, the Democrats will probably lose their majority to the Republicans, who intend to cut support for Ukraine. So the tide can turn.
German Chancellor Scholz’s visit to China early November shows Germany’s commitment to globalization, despite US policy of isolating China. Elsewhere in Europe we are also seeing the first signs of war fatigue. How much longer can it afford to provide financial and military support to Ukraine? That reality seems to be permeating London and Washington as well.
These and other issues are extensively discussed in my new article “The war in Ukrain: escalation or detente? https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2022/10/28/de-strijd-in-oekraine-escalatie-of-detente/
Posted by: Paul-Robert | Oct 28 2022 5:50 utc | 148
Posted by: b | Oct 27 2022 11:34 utc | 1
I get your point but my posting these links is driven by many people on here say they can’t access TG like I can. I’m just keeping them in the loop because a lot is happening on the ground that is not reported on social media e.g. Twitter. In fact many of the TG channels started because they were blocked on there.
I’ll post less but I don’t have any formal military training so it’s hard for me to distinguish between relevant and irrelevant tactical information. So bear with me if I may occasionally post something you don’t like because I’m not trying to step on your toes.
Also my posting tempo depends what happens on the ground. If nothing is happening …….Some of the posts simply give a “mood on the ground” feel to it which in my mind is also important.
To those who appreciate my posts, thank you! but it is b’s bar and he didn’t say I can’t post just be more discerning.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 5:50 utc | 149
Stoltenberg: NATO will not let Russia win the war in Ukraine.
“We cannot let Putin win. “It would be a catastrophe, a tragedy for the Ukrainians, but it would also make us NATO members more vulnerable,” the Secretary General said.
But apparently, NATO is not a party to the conflict.🌚
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17002
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 5:55 utc | 150
The first officially confirmed victory of MiG-31BMs in long-range aerial combat
The Russian Ministry of Defense today published an important video of the combat use of MiG-31BM interceptors in the air defense zone. It is worth noting that this is the first official confirmation of the use of long-range RVV-BD (R-37M) missiles at virtually maximum range against Ukrainian aviation.
Earlier we wrote about this fact, citing unofficial sources of information. It is also worth noting that the commander of the ship (which is how the MiG-31BM is referred to in the Air Force) in his interview talks about the interaction with the long-range radar detection aircraft when intercepting the Ukrainian Su-24. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense says that not only the A-50 aircraft are used in the air defense, but also the latest A-100.
It is quite possible that this episode refers to the destruction of an Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft in the Poltava region, which, apparently, was used to uncover Russian air defense bases in the Belgorod region using radio reconnaissance stations and the subsequent targeting of Ukrainian fighters armed with American HARM missiles.
The published video shows MiG-31BM interceptors armed not only with long-range RVV-BD missiles, but also with medium-range RVV-SD (R-77) missiles with an active homing head and enhanced maneuverability.
Thus, the Russian Armed Forces have recently won two air victories in ultra-long-range combat. Earlier we wrote about setting a record for intercepts by Russian SAMs that destroyed a Su-27 fighter.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17011
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 5:57 utc | 151
@ Roger | Oct 28 2022 5:36 utc | 145 with the suggestion of
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Just load Telegram on your phone…..
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I am a retired techie that was on-call for over 20 years and my Nokia X2 is turned off and only supported by a $10/year emergency minutes package. I am not on Facebook, don’t do Twitter but have a personal web site because I ran a business online for 14 years and folks told me I should sell my breath exercise but I just give it away like the neuromodulation paradigm link and such.
I am spoiled over the years here by commenters that have added value to the comments section in their own way like I try to do and those summaries that RSH use to provide were sufficient but we don’t have a regular now but have had some almosties….thanks/grin….its a bar, you get what you get in comments and the host is worth contributing to for his journalism and the MoA platform/forum he provides.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 28 2022 5:58 utc | 152
“Do you want Russia to go unpunished?”: Polish Prime Minister Morawiecki demands 1.3 trillion euros of reparations from Germany so that “there is an opportunity to hold Moscow accountable”
✔️”Battle tanks, heavy artillery, ammunition for Ukraine – everything that is now so necessary to repel the Russian troops. Germany, as the richest country in Europe, could do much more to protect Europe’s values.
✔️Countries such as the United States, Great Britain, supply weapons so that Ukraine wins this war. Some EU heads of government have the impression that they would prefer to return to business as usual. According to the motto: “you can also end the war by losing it”
✔️ I don’t want to name names, but this trend is noticeable when I talk to colleagues in the EU. The system that Russia has built with its gas supplies is working here: as a drug dealer, Putin distributed cheap gas. And it is difficult for many countries to get rid of it.
✔️The EU means prosperity, stability and security. Ukraine should not fall into the sphere of influence of Russia, Turkey or China, as a vassal state of a brutal dictatorship or imperialist despots.
✔️[How do you explain to Germans born decades after the war that they have to pay you reparations?] I tell these people: your prosperity and wealth come from looting Polish homes, factories, assets. Your grandfathers are responsible for the crimes of that time. If you, as descendants, do not bear this responsibility, then Russia can never be held accountable for its crimes, which Putin’s troops are now committing in Ukraine.
✔️Therefore, I ask the Germans: did you want Russia to leave after this war without any punishment, without compensation for their crimes? I don’t think most Germans want that. But then they also have to pay for the crimes and massacres in Poland committed by their country during World War II. I don’t want to remember about 50 years of communism, this terrible system in which we found ourselves as a result of the war.”
“>https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/inland/politik-inland/polen-premier-morawiecki-deutschland-soll-kriegs-entschaedigung-zahlen-81744042.bild.html
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26910
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 6:00 utc | 153
@b
I do agree that Down South is over posting atm but he is does not seem to have any bad intentions so hopefully he will just post less prolifically.
But he had a long way to go to get close to Scorp’s word count. And at least Down South was posting information not crap propaganda rhetoric for the Empire
Anyone can plainly see who has been clogging up the site and it ain’t DS.
Posted by: K | Oct 27 2022 21:39 utc | 77
Right on. Thank you.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 28 2022 6:00 utc | 154
@Hermit | Oct 27 2022 21:54 utc | 82
In reality, since at least 2014 we have known to the limits of scientific certainty, that the detonation of 100 nuclear warheads over cities would be sufficient to eject some 5 teragrams of black soot into the earth’s stratosphere where it never rains. That means that soot would remain blocking sunlight from the earth for decades, cooling the Earth to levels not seen since the Permian–Triassic extinction event (End Permian) 250 mybp which did the same as forests burned, due to comets and vulcanism. That was, until now, Earth’s largest extinction event and killed 57% of all families, 83% of all genera and 90% to 96% of all species (53% of marine families, 84% of marine genera, about 81% of all marine species and an estimated 70% of land species, including insects). With the sun blocked out, photosynthesis by plants, including plankton, would be impossible, and with most seeds deteriorating within years, driving most vegetation into extinction.
That’s allright, but all wrong. The most recent extinction event was virtually yesterday, only 12900 years ago when a comet fragment hit the 3000m thick Laurentide ice sheet over present day Michigan, USA. The effect was an all out bombardment of massive ice boulders all over North America, killing the megafauna in an instant and creating the Carolina Bays. It also caused unimaginable tsunamis in the Atlantic ocean, devastating present day Europe and Mediterranean. The ice boulders were thrown into ballistic orbits far above the atmosphere along with massive amounts of water vapor which froze in orbit and stayed there for more than 1000 years until it was dissipated by the sun or fell as rain. That was the Younger Dryas cooling event that dropped temperatures 15C over night.
Those that survived the initial impact were likely to die off soon after, as is evident in the genetic record.
Yes, we should fear nuclear annihilation, but we do not have to go far into the past to see the effects of dramatic overnight cooling caused by a violent event. It already happened to modern humans 12900 years ago.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 28 2022 6:07 utc | 155
Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 27 2022 20:37 utc | 51
Well my friend, at least you and I know the truth about vk though the lies continue to be
repeated, so we have to be content with that.
I miss your commentary but understand in light of the chaos around here. Best to you
and a quick shout out to Uncle T as well.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 28 2022 6:13 utc | 156
@ Down South | Oct 28 2022 6:00 utc | 151
I knew it! The “ww2 reparations” scheme will be directed at Russia.
Russia should demand reparations from UK and US for all the boys they financed, in multiple decades.
Posted by: klik | Oct 28 2022 6:52 utc | 157
@ Paul-Robert | Oct 28 2022 5:50 utc | 146
Scholz visit probably mean nothing in the long run. Like Merkel posing as the leader of a sovereign state that can decide its own energy policy and foreign relationships.
The Empire of Chaos thus confuses its opponents, to keep them off balance.
The opponents might play along for optics.
Posted by: klik | Oct 28 2022 6:59 utc | 158
@ 147 Down South
I, for one, appreciate your updates from TG channels. Like others here said, for me MoA is a one stop place, as I don’t really have the time to scan through a whole bunch of TG channels.
I check @Rybar and @Rozhin (Colonel Cassad) daily but that’s about all I can do.
Again, I hope you’ll keep posting – though perhaps, in keeping with b’s request, not quite as many updates per thread.
Besides, some of us don’t mind military tactics minutia. Things are not always happening as fast as some’d like, but stuff is still happening, and who is to say what’s most important?
Posted by: Merlin2 | Oct 28 2022 7:53 utc | 159
Like Psychohistorian, I am retired and do not have a phone.
I hope that the bar can continue to serve the poor as well as the rich.
Posted by: Cindy Martin | Oct 28 2022 7:57 utc | 160
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 27 Oct 2022⚡️
#Kiev Region:
▪️ Russian Forces continued strikes on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure overnight. During the night raid, kamikaze drones hit autotransformers at the Kievskaya 750/330/35 kV substation.
The Belotserkovskaya 330/110/10 kV substation was also presumably one of the targets.
#Belarus Direction (MAP):
The Ukrainian command is expecting a possible offensive by the Russian Forces from the side of #Belarus.
▪️ In the village of #Derevnaya, #Minsk region, a citizen of the Republic of #Belarus passes data on the movement of Russian and Belarusian military personnel to Ukraine.
▪️ The #Volyn section on the Ukrainian side is reinforced by several battalions trained at the 184th Training Centre in #Starichi. A company control post of the AFU’s 1st Radio Technical Brigade has been established near #Lukov.
▪️ In the #Kiev sector, several reconnaissance groups are active in the Rudnya-Ilyinetskaya area and near Kriva Gora.
▪️ In the #Chernigov sector, several Territorial Defensede Battalions have been deployed near of #Bleshnya and #Mkhi. Reconnaissance units led by British mercenaries are being trained at the #Desna training ground.
#Starobelsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Kupyansk section, the 14th AFU Mechanized Brigade attempted to storm #Nikolaevka and #Orlyanka, came under massive fire from Russian MLRS, suffered losses of personnel and equipment, and then withdrew.
▪️ In the #Svatovo sector, 1 BTGr of the 71st Jager Brigade attempted an offensive towards #Chernopopovka, but retreated to their initial positions after losing several tanks and combat vehicles.
▪️ In the #Lyman sector, the AFU tried to storm the Russian positions near #Torskoye, but did not succeed.
The enemy command plans to conduct a simultaneous offensive from the northeastern outskirts of #Terny and east of #Nevskoye. At the same time, Ukrainian forces shall reach the southern outskirts of #Kremennaya.
▪️ In the #Lysychansk sector, the AFU tried to gain a foothold near #Belogorovka. The attack was repulsed and the enemy retreated to #Grigorovka.
#Soledar Direction:
▪️ In this front section, the situation is unchanged. Positional fighting continues in the outskirts of #Bakhmut (#Artemovsk), #Soledar and #Opytnoye.
#Donetsk Direction:
▪️ Ukrainian militants have once again shelled settlements in the #Donetsk agglomeration, including #Donetsk, #Makeevka, #Yasinovataya and Kashtanovka. In addition, a fuel depot in #Shakhtyorsk was hit again.
#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ Overnight, Russian Forces launched several missile strikes on AFU facilities in #Zaporozhye and the village of #Balakovo on the outskirts of the regional capital.
▪️ Artillery duels continue along the entire contact line, with Russian Forces shelling targets in #Orekhov, #Zaliznichnoye, #Olgovskoye and #Gulyaypole.
#Dnipropetrovsk Region:
▪️ Overnight, Russian Forces launched a Geran-2 kamikaze drone strike at the #Pavlograd Mechanical Plant site, where components for ammunition and missiles are manufactured.
#Nikolaev – #Berislav Direction on Southern Front (MAP):
▪️ In the #Nikolaev sector, Ukrainian militants shelled the outskirts of Zelyony Gay, Ternovye Pody, #Kiselevka and #Petrovskoye.
▪️ In the #Andreevka sector, Ukrainian formations are moving military equipment and personnel to the eastern bank of the #Ingulets River.
▪️ In the #Berislav area, Ukrainian formations are concentrating their forces along the line of contact. An Ukrainian AN/TPQ-50 radar station was deployed near Novaya Kamenka to conduct counter-battery warfare.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17074
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 8:18 utc | 161
james | Oct 28 2022 4:43 utc | 137
Jeez, it’s a simple fair and reasonable kind of ‘war/battle’ question for anyone to ask. No need to lose the plot over it.
You are emotionally twisting it out of all proportion saying ” well obviously Russia doesn’t know what the fuck they are doing “ is an immature unwarranted response, and a cheap Straw Man accusation.
There was nothing in asking the question that was critical of Russia – that is patently obvious … he/me was asking for info WHY they don’t do anything about it ….. like any normal well balanced even tempered person would ask about any subject they could not understand.
The responses like yours again have ignored the the question and knee jerk insults instead. Grieved is already blocked. I do not care who blocks me. IF they cannot work out I am genuine and decent person then I don’t want to know them or hear from them anyway. Good day.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 8:19 utc | 162
151
Me thinks Poland’s hope is the world has a short memory as them.
Heres the 2018 law that angered jewish groups seeking reparations from ww2. Tried to play victim not perp then enacted laws to seal the refusal. Maybe germany can just enact some laws similarly
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-slams-new-polish-holocaust-law-as-immoral-and-a-disgrace/
Posted by: Hankster | Oct 28 2022 8:36 utc | 163
3 months have Russia tried to take Bakhmut. 3 months!
This is a rather small area with 70000 people living there and Russia cannot even get control of that?!
Ukraine put current russian deaths at 8000, perhaps it is fewer but it is obviously a failure even if there are half as many deaths so there is no win regardless even if they would be happen to actually get control of that region.
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 28 2022 8:38 utc | 164
psychohistorian | Oct 28 2022 5:04 utc | 143
https://t.me/s/mod_russia
https://t.me/s/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova
https://t.me/s/medvedev_telegram
https://t.me/s/MID_Russia
https://t.me/s/RKadyrov_95
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 28 2022 8:51 utc | 165
All these people here who keep asking “why does it take so long for Russia to do this or that”, for heaven’s sake, if it saves a single soldier’s life by going slow then Russia is right to go slow. They have their plan, you should have a tiny bit more patience than an emotionally challenged adolescent and wait for that plan to work out. And another thing: why weren’t these impatient and critical posters asking the US why they never got over the Iraqi insurgencies? Or why their mighty US army got nowhere in Somalia? The real answer there might be: because the US exactly wants this, a festering instability in those countries, a never-ending conflict. But Russia does not have that kind of intention I believe, it works slowly, methodically, hoping for a lasting security.
Some people shouting for Russia to be more aggressive may just be unthinking or immature, but the trolls who do it are morally despicable. We should all be very grateful that Russia and China know when to hold back. They value their soldier’s life and they value peace. Compare that with NATO putting nuclear weapons on the Finnish-Russia border – it won’t be difficult for posterity to judge us…
Posted by: Anthony | Oct 28 2022 9:26 utc | 166
Posted by: Hankster | Oct 28 2022 2:55 utc | 126
Moscovite hipsters mistrust, hate and repress Donbass socialists/communists/patriots at every turn. They maintain close threats at their heart while they try to weaken them, sideline them and supress them.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 28 2022 9:26 utc | 167
Further to my post at 151
🇵🇱💰🇩🇪The Polish Foreign Ministry has published a full list of demands to Germany for damage from World War II:
▪️To compensate material and non-material losses of 6.2 trillion zlotys (about $1.3 trillion)
▪️Compensate the victims of German aggression and occupation and their family members for the damage and harm caused to them
▪️ Take measures to return cultural property that was stolen from Poland and is in Germany
▪️To return the assets and liabilities of Polish state banks looted by the German state in 1939-1945, to repay debts incurred as a result of the activities of credit bureaus that financed criminal military actions of the Reich
▪️Ensure the full rehabilitation of the murdered activists of the pre-war Polish minority and compensate for the losses of Polish organizations in Germany, cooperate with Poland to preserve the memory of Polish victims of World War II
▪️To ensure the full settlement of the current status of Poles and persons of Polish origin in Germany, restoring their status as a national minority, in particular in the matter of teaching their native language
▪️To take effective measures to present to German society the “true picture of the war and its consequences”, especially the harm and damage inflicted on Poland and Poles
https://t.me/azmilitary11/27035
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 9:39 utc | 168
I cannot stop grieving for heroes of the like of Motorola, Givi, Mozgovoy, Zakharshenko, who didnt get help from Moscow, to the contrary …
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 28 2022 9:40 utc | 169
is anyone else experiencing mental health issues at this time?
Posted by: Cousin Jack | Oct 28 2022 5:35 utc | 144
Yes definitely. imho most do not recognize it for what it is. Imaging they are behaving normally and reasonably but aren’t. I have long expected the more cushioned well to do who have never really faced real difficulties before would most likely suffer the greatest impacts of becoming “disillusioned” – ie having the illusion suddenly ripped away. Time will tell how it unfolds. Take care of yourself. Stay in close touch with family and friends.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 9:49 utc | 170
@Grieved | Oct 28 2022 1:43 utc | 119
Much appreciated reply. Thanks Grieved. I didn’t know that about the location there. I’ve seen many reports from inside donestc city, it’s rough and hard to handle. TY
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 9:54 utc | 171
…especially the harm and damage inflicted on Poland and Poles
Those Polish guys are going to inflict such terrible damage to the whole EU and directly to NATO ‘allies’, that RF doesn’t have to move a finger.
It doesn’t get crazier, more than that. Wait! It probably does.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 28 2022 9:55 utc | 172
@ Greg 167
Why put the guilt in Russia’s shoes?
Who killed them?
Why not direct your anger at those responsible, at the murderers and their bosses? Those who started it all?
Posted by: Anthony | Oct 28 2022 9:57 utc | 173
@Hankster | Oct 28 2022 2:55 utc | 126
Thanks to you too for info on Adveevka and the ref link especially. Appreciated. I didn’t know any of that.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 10:01 utc | 174
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | 28 october 2022 1:05 UTC | 114
Thank you for your wise words! As you say this war isn´t about jews, it´s about resources.
Posted by: Northern Eve | Oct 28 2022 10:06 utc | 175
Down South’s posts of Russian sources are very useful. I haven’t got a cellphone (so no Telegram) and can get all the Ukrainian propaganda from the MSM – there’s defintely no shortage of that, is there? People who don’t want to read Down South’s stuff (which is at least on-topic) can just scroll past it.
What does clutter these threads up is all the drivel from the nutcases with a bee in their bonnet about the Jews. Personally, I scroll past that.
Posted by: B. Wildered | Oct 28 2022 10:10 utc | 176
Thanks to Down South for posting snippets from Slavyangrad’s telegram. Some days I just dont have the time or ticker to wade through that incessant war stream of his but the snippets from Down South save the day. Geroman is good too and not so prolific.
B and the barflies are best though as MoA is the goto place for fast and broad analysis, chuckles and sometimes good cause to throw bricks at the computer.
Stay well all and remain calm as the war drags on. That was a Donovan song.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2022 10:14 utc | 177
Does anyone have any thoughts on why Russia can’t take Avdiivka? I believe … it’s about six miles northwest of Donetsk, and the AFU has been in Avdiivka shelling Donetsk for many years.
Posted by: OdessaConnected | Oct 27 2022 22:17 utc | 85
I second that query.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 1:25 utc | 117
General answer is that Russia met up with stronger resistance from NATO-backed Ukraine than it had planned for. On Bakhmut/Arviidka (sp?), ending the terrorist missile attacks from that city has always been an all-important goal for the people of Donetsk. The fact that Ukraine forces still today commit those war crimes is heartbreaking, but also indicates Russia’s poor planning and allocation of resources.
I’ve read that the Donetsk People’s Republic military insisted on handling the battle for Bakhmut, and the job proved too much for them. The whole notion of allowing Donbass forces to handle almost all the fighting for the Donbass was ill-conceived. Russia should’ve quickly (or prior to the war) assessed Donbas forces’ capabilities and then insisted on helping w far more than just Intel and artillery fire.
The above has changed now, the Donetsk and Lugansk forces are now incorporated into the Russian military, and those forces will soon be fighting in Bakhmut in large numbers. It’s clear that the Wagner force is too small relative to the task at hand and needs help.
Russia has made errors in this war, as has Ukraine. Inexperienced militaries make many mistakes, some serious, nothing unusual in that. Now that both sides are more experienced, expect fewer errors and weight in manpower and materials to make the difference.
Cousin Jack | Oct 28 2022 5:35 utc | 144
I fear that the coming collapse shall not only be economic/geopolitical but also a mental health catastrophe among the centrist/liberal classes who are the ruling classes in the West
I’ve said for years that if/when the permafrost of American Exceptionalism starts to thaw it will be psychologically devastating for the vast majority. We’re certainly in the early stages of this ‘mental health catastrophe’ as the lies wobble and flounder, or at least the acceptance of them. Unsteady as we go.
As the weight of so much denial and falsity accumulates and transforms to guilt(conscious or unconscious), the desire for self-punishment(conscious or unconscious) will grow accordingly, at which point the prospect of mushroom clouds in a sky full of suns might seem a reprieve.
Posted by: john | Oct 28 2022 10:40 utc | 179
After the “war in Ukraine” threads, we are going to need a “War in Ukraine AND the rest of the world” thread.
One possible purpose of the slow movement of the Russian advances (or the other direction), is that they are drawing in outside “supporters”, to show their hands. These are moving from providing old and second hand Soviet weapons to modern ones. (Twit Quote; “Germany delivers more heavy gear to Ukraine. Four Panzerhaubitze 2000 and two MARS-2 are under way. Germany finally sending his A-Team into the battle.) The US has been doing the same, with the Military-industrial complex in the lead. The Polish – are the leading suppliers of *Troops disguised as Mercenaries*. …..and so on. NATO is also there but is trying on Hairy Potters “invisibility cloak”, (but not being able to find it as Stolti forgot where he put it down.)
Those are just the newest physical “infusions” (under-reported), but there is another problem coming up for the EU. That is many countries were not doing too well financially, and relied on the sleight of hand by the EU Central Bank, to cover the losses and corruption. The Polish demands are probably just the start, aiming to get Germany to continue forking out cash as before.
To win a fight you must
get your blow in fust.
So – Italy and others will follow, particularly as the full cost of the arrival of US is normally paid for by the lucky “winners” of being occcupied. Both Germany and Italy pay for infrastucture without telling their citizens so as to keep the visible totals down.
Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 28 2022 10:42 utc | 180
Interesting analysis of the 101 airborne in Romania and potential goals:
https://thesaker.is/nato-set-to-attack-tiraspol/
Posted by: RB | Oct 28 2022 10:49 utc | 181
While I have zero problems with Down South’s TG posts, I don’t quite understand why people do not just simply install the app.
It’s available on many platforms (Windows, Mac/iPhone, Android, Linux) and there are even alternative 3rd party clients available.
If you don’t want to give your phone number to register, you could get some cheap prepaid SIM from eBay or other places. You only really need it for registration. And no, you do NOT need a smartphone.
On a sidenote, I can access almost all channels here (Europe), one notable exception being RT Russian.
More generally though, installing TG just to follow a couple of channels is maybe a bit of a waste IMHO.
Posted by: Verdant | Oct 28 2022 10:52 utc | 182
I don’t think so…..
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 27 2022 20:23 utc | 44
I’m not following, what did I miss? It seems like you are saying you think China will abandon Russia.
Posted by: K | Oct 28 2022 10:53 utc | 183
Posted by: Anthony | Oct 28 2022 9:57 utc | 172
Observation leads to understanding, which listening to claims doesnt.
Murder of prominent separatist all of socialist communist persuasion, leads much more to internal struggle than to outside interference.
I have some Lebanese friend – a doctor – who told me that interesting story about the civil war in Tripoli Lebanon.
Every time someone in their Shia community, refused to pay the islamic revolutionary tax, their house became the target of mortars from THE OTHER SIDE! All the while, sheik Saad Chabaane, the one who heckled the great US Satan on local radio, bought for himself 400 gas stations in the USA, with that same money he took from believers and others.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 28 2022 10:54 utc | 184
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 5:55 utc | 148
this is exactly an example for the problem
this is 2 days old !!!!
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said this at a press conference following a meeting with Romanian Prime Minister Nicolae Ciuca
you should try take into account to spend less time in telegram but check a more broad spectrum of information
Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 28 2022 10:58 utc | 185
Stonebird @ 180
Italy and others will follow, particularly as the full cost of the arrival of US is normally paid for by the lucky “winners” of being occcupied. Both Germany and Italy pay for infrastucture without telling their citizens so as to keep the visible totals down.
Probably 90% of Italians I meet, especially the old folks, think the USA bases bring in money, lots and lots, billions a year to their economy. How do you say serious case of dumb-ass in Italian?
I will say this, everything that’s gone down since start of the SMO has put in stark relief how Germany, Italy, and Japan are still war trophies, their people still completely occupied, bowed and forking over tribute, which in these times of neoliberal austerity and sacking and pillaging, pretty much means grabbing the last coins in their pockets. Stark relief to me anyway, not sure if the citizens there have caught on much.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 28 2022 10:59 utc | 186
@fairleft | Oct 28 2022 10:25 utc | 177
thank you. interesting insights/info there too, cheers appreciated.
others mentioned above @119/126 very strong defensive positions in Adveevka, made it hard to attack without heavy civilian casualties.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 28 2022 11:05 utc | 187
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦💡 @Rybar’s Analysis: Russian Strikes on Ukraine’s Energy System on 27 Oct 2022⚡️
🔎 Rybar’s team continues its daily analysis of the consequences of systemic fire attacks on Ukraine’s energy system.
💥 In 24 hours, our team has recorded two strikes:
▪️ Kievskaya 750kV substation – autotransformer hit confirmed
▪️ Belotserkovskaya 330kV substation – probable damage
🩸 Today’s strike on the Kievskaya 750 substation has had a far greater impact in terms of efficiency than all previous strikes on the Kiev power grid combined.
➖ At least one single-phase 750/330kV autotransformer was destroyed. The shields separating the single-phase autotransformers from each other may have protected the other transformers from damage, but the destruction of at least one of the three renders the remaining two useless.
➖ The capacity of one autotransformer is 333 MVA: The RF Armed Forces have deprived the Kiev power district of the technical possibility of receiving 1000 MVA of capacity from the Rivne and Khmelnitsky nuclear power plants. And that is a lot.
Yes, we understand that the transformer may not have been used at 100%, but we assume that the second three single-phase transformers were damaged as a result of previous strikes (unfortunately, objective control facts are lacking).
▪️ This is a very serious blow to the Ukrainian power system. And the consequences were not slow to hit Kiev: a wave of unscheduled power cuts swept across the capital and the region.
Despite #Kiev’s own sources of generation – CHP-5, CHP-6 (which also suffered from the strike and lost half of its generating capacity), and the Kiev HPP, as well as the Tripolskaya TPP in the immediate vicinity of the capital – their energy is clearly insufficient for normal operation of the energy system.
🚨 This leads to the conclusion that isolating the nuclear plants from the rest of the grid and consumers is currently the most effective scenario for influencing the Ukrainian energy system.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17086
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 11:05 utc | 188
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2022 11:05 utc | 188
Here is the problem with Down South’s posts… This was already posted by James here: Posted by: james | Oct 28 2022 0:50 utc | 107
It’s not that hard to scan the thread to make sure you’re not double posting information.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 28 2022 11:28 utc | 189
Posted by: fairleft | Oct 28 2022 10:25 utc | 177
Logical, but I disagree with the conclusion you mention. Reading elsewhere that Russia wanted their own body count down ,the Russian leadership wanted Donetsk locals to do their own fighting. This also served to show Russia who “deserved “ to be free. Note how Russia also pulled out of Kharkov and Nikolaev as well as went cold on Odessa. Why ? No observable resistance by the people there. I don’t blame Putin or the Stavka for this.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 28 2022 11:46 utc | 190
SouthFront:
NATO Wants To Place Nuclear Missiles On Finland’s Russian Border — Finland Says Yes
Posted by: marko | Oct 28 2022 11:50 utc | 191
Brother Ma
You mean civilians in these regions are the ones going to have to fight against Nato equipped Ukrainian soldiers?
Of course you do not blame the party that is responsible for this mess..
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 28 2022 12:07 utc | 192
the russian thinking is simple…..
what can be pursued and agreed by telephone doesnt need men on the ground to die.
the whole game is about future control of what.
borders sre irrelevant.
what matters is liguistics/who speaks what.
forget dirty bombs/utter bs
maybe to lower real estate value fr jews predicate.
in the melange called “ukraine” are the most corrupt vile species of humanity
buying/selling/blackmailing/bio-watever…to loot
NATO supports it….no different to cocaine from columbia/clinton/mena/airport/reagan/iranetc..
First serious bomb…tel aviv…
2nd…city of london
3rd…jewyork.4th…rome..
5th mecca…
problem solved.
Posted by: harryash | Oct 28 2022 12:16 utc | 193
Oh, so b tells down south to stop posting telegram, but the relentless Jew hating Nazis are okay.
Riiiight, some class modding there b.
Posted by: Dermotmoconnor | Oct 28 2022 12:18 utc | 194
@ Marko
In that case Russia should emulate Iran and bomb the crap out of any would be NATO base.
Or see if Cuba, Nicaragua or Venezuela are willing host Russian hypersonic nukes. After all everyone’s free to make their own security arrangements, and no-one else gets a say right?
Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 28 2022 12:31 utc | 195
USA will get rid of Zelensky in case of compromise with Russia.
This is written by the French publication Valeurs Actuelles. The article notes that the “Ukraine game” is becoming too dangerous, so at this point the US is trying to get out of it as soon as possible.
https://twitter.com/SprinterMonitor/status/1585919960454516736
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 28 2022 12:54 utc | 196
A poster.. using the acronym “K” asked if I asserted the Chinese would abandon the Russians in my post # 44…
Apparently, English is not his native language…
BECAUSE…
I wrote: ” Much asserting the Chinese will abandon the Russians…”
Wang Yi’s remarks…
To which I added…
“I don’t think so”
My remarks should be read as:
” Much asserting the Chinese will abandon the Russians…I don’t think so”
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 28 2022 13:13 utc | 197
Unimperator @98
“Finland has had over 3500 resignations from the military reserve compared to 350 in 2021.”
Interesting. Would you are to site a source for such “information”?
As far as I know, there is no way of “resignation from the military reserve” in Finland. We have what is called a “compulsory national military service” which the service in reserve is part of.
One may inform refusing from using arms in the service based on religious or reasons of conscience, but that wont release one from the service. You would be sent to supporting services. If you refuse, you will be jailed.
Posted by: Tigger | Oct 28 2022 13:13 utc | 198
Posted by: Featherless | Oct 28 2022 12:41 utc | 196
Only if we de-platform, cancel and marginalize the HoloHoax fanboys along with them.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 28 2022 13:16 utc | 199
Here is the latest summary from Russin MOD in case someone is interested:
Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (28 October 2022)
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
💥 In Kupyansk direction, up to 1 enemy reinforced battalion attacked the positions of the Russian troops towards Berestovoye (Kharkov region).
◽ All the attacks have been repelled.
◽ Over 150 Ukrainian personnel, 1 tank, 5 infantry fighting vehicles, 4 armoured personnel carriers and 9 pickups have been eliminated.
💥 In Krasny Liman direction, 2 battalion tactical groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) were conducting an offensive towards Chervonopopovka (Lugansk People’s Republic).
◽ Intense action of the Russian troops has resulted in halting the enemy.
◽ Artillery and Army Aviation have eliminated over 50 Ukrainian personnel, 2 tanks, 3 armoured fighting vehicles and 2 motor vehicles.
💥 In South Donetsk direction, a company tactical group of the AFU attacked the positions of the Russian troops near Vremevka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
◽ Intense action of the Russian units and artillery has resulted in driving the enemy back to initial positions.
◽ Over 30 Ukrainian personnel, 1 tank, 2 armoured fighting vehicles and 1 pickup have been eliminated.
💥 In Nikolayev–Krivoy Rog direction, Russian artillery and Army Aviation launched concentrated strikes at the reserve forces of the Ukrainian troops that were redeploying from the depth, and sabotage groups near the contact line.
◽ Over 180 Ukrainian personnel, 8 armoured fighting vehicles and 6 motor vehicles have been eliminated.
💥 Operational-tactical and Army Aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised 6 AFU command posts near Kupyansk (Kharkov region), Nevskoye (Lugansk People’s Republic), Torskoye, Seversk, Zvanovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), and Nikolayev, as well as 74 artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and military hardware in 167 areas.
◽5 AFU ammunition depots have been destroyed near Vesyoloye (Donetsk People’s Republic), Davydov Brod, Novaya Kamenka (Kherson region), and Nikolayev.
💥 Air defence facilities have shot down 1 Mi-8 helicopter of Ukrainian Air Force near Novaya Kamenka (Kherson region).
◽ 3 unmanned aerial vehicles have been intercepted near Nikolskoye and Berislav (Kherson region).
◽ Moreover, 6 projectiles launched by HIMARS and Uragan MLRS have been shot down near Novaya Kakhovka, Tokarevka (Kherson region), and Pokrovskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic).
📊 In total, 326 airplanes and 164 helicopters, 2,356 unmanned aerial vehicles, 383 air defence missile systems, 6,130 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 876 fighting vehicles equipped with multiple rocket-launching systems, 3,532 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 6,823 units of special military hardware have been destroyed during the special military operation.
Posted by: ctiger | Oct 28 2022 13:20 utc | 200