From a previous Ukraine thread.
@ SeanAU | Oct 27 2022 10:14 utc | 276
…. fears a full on NATO attack…
Posted by: watcher | Oct 27 2022 10:07 utc | 275
What would such a feared attack look like? Can you describe what would be involved militarily?
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I am pretty much convinced that a lot more goes on behind the Telegram and Twitter channels and a thick filter over all the media.
But I am happy to be given the opportunity to speculate.
Such attack will not happen.
To make any conventional military move on such scale as a pre-emptive strike is not really realistic today.
Any preparation and a move is registered far in-depth of the both sides and tracked in real time, visually, electronically, in signals and comms – across many spectrums.
What I mean it is not a WW2 ‘..but, sir, on Monday they were seen there’, however, a some ruse and the idea of provoking RF is still actual and very possible.
By sinking and destroying some RF ships, bridges and logistic knots, launch bases and sites NATO might try to neuter RF.
I doubt that NATO can just teleport missiles and planes just like that, but one never knows and it is a try that counts.
Do not forget that Biden & Co. are parroting over and over again:
‘We warn Putin not to use nukes.’
It is pushed all over the western media.
To me, as it seems now, a narrative slowly arises on a possibility of neutralising RF nuclear launch sites from US submarines in Arab Sea and Med, meaning that the idea is to disarm RF before they react.
That is in my opinion a far-fetched pipe dream of certain folks in WH and Pentagon, as it was played on a simulator and had possibly showed some positive, but simulated results.
I mean, I seriously doubt on any nuclear confrontation with an assumption that only one side wins.
There is a no a ‘win-lose’ modus.
Just lost as an end result for both sides.
I would advise NATO/US not to try to play or apply a ‘game theory’ here.
When we will know that nuke exchange is happening if RF reacts to a possible attempt to be neutralised?
We will suddenly have no internet, looking up in the sky you will see traces of destroyed satellites falling through the atmosphere.
Possibly Aegis sites and some AA command centres in EU will be blown up by conventional hypersonics.
Maybe some US fleet carriers and subs in Adriatic and the nearest in Pacific might get blast. Also probably conventional. Many subs on both sides sunk too. Some will survive.
Possibly, some salvoes of EMP missiles (LoAlt-EMP) might go over the strategic centres of NATO Wiesbaden, Rammstein, Brussels, London and some 5 eyes radar-stations go boom, too. All digital data gone over vast areas of EU.
From US military sources:
Theoretically, Russian invasion of NATO by 300,000 troops, 36,000 tanks and other vehicles, and 1,000 aircraft could overrun NATO paralyzed by EMP attack and outgunned by tactical nuclear weapons 10-to-1. A single nuclear weapon detonated 60 kilometers above NATO HQ in Brussels would generate a paralyzing HEMP field from Poland to Scotland, like a magic carpet to the English Channel.
That is just intro and a prep.
And it all happens almost instantaneously.
Say in 10-20 minutes since the decision.
Potentially then NATO wants to talk and using phone landlines calls RF frantically about, but no one picks up.
Then real nuke missiles start to fly all over and no one knows what happens thereafter.
I do not know what primary targets are to go first, but at that stage it is not really important any more.
Issue, is that all sides will be badly damaged for years to come and World as we know it, its orders and values will be gone.
That is how I see it. Not fun.
However, will NATO or RF do all that for the corrupt and measly, already devastated Ukraine? Perhaps. Or not.
Putin’s speech was great, but if one side is filled with hatred as NATO and Ukraine are, I have no idea how one can offer a friendly hand to them.
Claiming that Russia doesn’t see the West as an enemy is noble and a modest trial to calm things a bit down.
What I understand is that NATO and its Western partners will continue to apply a brute force, adding endless mocking and one systematic institutionally hatred towards RF.
Basically a full spectrum cancel and negation of RF.
Putin and RF are patient, realistic and a common sense people, but confronted with such demonic powers as NATO/West are, I doubt that it makes sense to act and try to be nice as RF does.
I think it is a counter-productive manner to resist and defeat the West/NATO.
I think RF can overcome this, by actually winning big and quickly over all of Ukraine, showing the real strength of its military, tech and people.
Kinda what RF is doing, but it should be multiplied by 10 fold, as probably doesn’t come cheap on the RF budget, but builds people’s confidence lot more than what are pacing steps now. It should be seen as an investment.
Only applying a massive and terrible force, day in day out, smart but regular destruction of infrastructure and all the Ukrainian military everywhere.
Only like that NATO will back down and probably prove as being useless to anyone ever since end of 1990’s.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 27 2022 18:48 utc | 3

I would like to cast a vote for Down South’s postings. I have tried a few times to join Telegram but for some reason it never goes through.
So I appreciate it when Down South lets me and others know what is going on.
This war is anxiety producing. I live in the US and I can tell you that our rulers are batshit crazy war mongers.
How will Russia deal with them? Will Russia be able to put a stop to them without them blowing up the world?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 27 2022 19:02 utc | 5

Like others, I enjoyed DownSouth’s choice of reposts from elsewhere.
B, would it be okay for him to still post a few?

Posted by: klik | Oct 27 2022 19:05 utc | 7

About the “Slowness” of Russia’s Military Operation
(excerpt from Stalker Zone, my emphasis)

… we are all not very happy with the fact that the advance of our troops is slow
… the tasks of the [SMO] did not include the capture of territories. It comes as a bonus. The task was to demilitarise,… to destroy the enemy army.
… it is much easier to defend than to attack… this is what we are now seeing: their units are being killed one by one against our defence lines… if we measure success not by occupied territories, but by demilitarisation, then things are… moving well
… an offensive will have to be carried out sooner or later, but this should be done when the enemy’s numbers are noticeably reduced, and our army, on the contrary, grows via the mobilised. Until then,… ours will sit on the defensive or advance/retreat smoothly, depending on the situation at the front.
Western sources report that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already irretrievably lost 450,000 fighters. Our experts say that this number is too high, a more realistic figure is 250,000-300,000.

Posted by: OttoE | Oct 27 2022 19:06 utc | 9

#2:
Why so impatient? Russia isn’t going to lose good soldiers fighting hand-to-hand in Bakhmut when it just has to wait and incessantly bomb a Ukrainian force unable to leave or get resupplied as the winter approaches. Also, why shorten the torturous collapse of the West when it could be prolonged to even more devastating ends? Russia and China have been propitiously given the means and opportunity for a complete takedown of NATO and the entire Western financial and military alliance–don’t deprive them of the opportunity to watch in slomo the West twisting in its own rope!

Posted by: FHTEX | Oct 27 2022 19:10 utc | 11

1 – I’m still appalled at how the Progressives are a bunch of spineless cowards. Retracted a mild letter simply asking for some diplomacy within 24 hours. Bunch of pus$$ies!
2 – Looks like the Russian minister of defense did us all a service by calling his counterparts on the phone directly and exposing the dirty bomb scenario.
3 – New find Jacob Dreizin writes some good stuff. And very funny too! (No worries B, you and Saker are still my faves!) https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/10/25/return-of-the-living-check/
4 – Is the current consensus here that Russia is winning, despite its slow pace, and that without direct intervention by NATO, things will be wrapped up by the spring?

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 27 2022 19:17 utc | 13

One big thumbs-up for Down South’s posts. For b’s characteristic pissiness: not so much.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 27 2022 19:20 utc | 15

@Down South
Please continue posting here all the minor tactical stuff from Telegram, it’s valuable color.
Thank you

Posted by: Exile | Oct 27 2022 19:29 utc | 17

NATO must have planned for Ukraine to turn into multiple Groznys, with probably the worlds largest supply of ATMs and Manpads, not to mention the worlds best satellite intel.
A conventional Russian invasion would have been a disaster.

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Oct 27 2022 19:35 utc | 19

I think the telegram postings are much less distracting than the endless repetitions of stupidities by the trolls. It’s not my blog and it remains for the host to decide, but I do prefer a 1000 Down South posts over one of Zanon, JoeXXX etc. In every bar there is some gossip too, isn’t there?

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 27 2022 19:40 utc | 21

I think the telegram postings are much less distracting than the endless repetitions of stupidities by the trolls. It’s not my blog and it remains for the host to decide, but I do prefer a 1000 Down South posts over one of Zanon, JoeXXX etc. In every bar there is some gossip too, isn’t there?

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 27 2022 19:44 utc | 23

Irony … The call to ban Telegram postings on this chat page has only resulted in an incessant debate over the value of such postings, or not.
The lesson? … Be careful for what you ask for.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 27 2022 19:48 utc | 25

Deplorable Cro magno
Because Russia cannot wage wars, they are incompetent – obviously after 8 months they have managed what goal? There are so many blunders past 8 months I have begun to forget them.
The ukrainians want to fight especially if they manage to get Russia to retreat as Russia seems to do almost everywhere past months.
Compare the ukrainian solderis with the pro-russian volunteers, they have no protection, no strategy, no high tech arms/tech like Nato/US armed and led ukrainian forces.
Remember Russia already lost more troops than US did in 10 year-Iraq-War. And more tanks already. And this war have not even been 1 year yet!

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 27 2022 19:51 utc | 27

@#4, #4, #5, #6, #7, #15, #17, #18:
I’ll buck the trend here, I side with b! Too much chatter is sheer clutter. I hope posters use judgement and spare readers of clutters.
It was the same with vk, who blabbled on and on about Marxism and his other favorite points to ad nauseam, antonym who needles China on anything that comes to mind, and a few here who still belabour the pros and cons of COVID jabbing.
Points had been made. Let’s move on. Spare us all of chatters

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 27 2022 19:52 utc | 29

whirlX | Oct 27 2022 18:48 utc | 3
You should know who the primary targets would be. The instigators not the mutts in between. ie. The US.
In any conflict, the civilians take the largest toll. They are undefended. Behind them, the soldiers. In the Mud. Behind them the “technicals” and the localised command centres. Possibly in other limitrophe countries with satellite linkage.
Going further afield comes the top command, sitting in warm comfortable Bunkers under mountains, (Cheyenne mountain?) with swimming pools and all the comforts imaginable dug in underneath. Plus playmates and a good drug supply for the centuries of winter to come.
Normally what has happened in the past is that the top “echelons” have spared their equivalents as they themselves might become targets. We are in a “civilizational” war, with theft of assets and elimination of unecessary people as the “desired” result. (Think Ghaddafi or Sadaam Hussein).
None of the Russian top command would be spared.
So, inevitably the reaction/ripost would be against the top level in the US. Europe would just become a desert in which to send in drones when bored.
****
Just to be a bit more serious, I have read on a previous thread here, (SusanB?) about long term effects of radiation on genetics. Nowadays we must add in genetic deformation by other chemical and pharmaceutical means. None of which are forseeable in their entirety.
The term “fish fingers” takes on new meaning.

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 27 2022 19:54 utc | 31

revised nuclear use posture by pentagon.
first use for even non nuke threats
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-27/us-still-may-use-nuclear-weapons-against-non-nuclear-threats-pentagon-says

Posted by: hankster | Oct 27 2022 19:58 utc | 33

Deplorable Cro magno @ 2

I am perplexed where the Ukrainian side find the manpower to keep up these offensives and take these losses of men and equipment and yet continue on? Where are the Russian offensives? Why is Bakhmut not taken?

Lots of lying all around. Many here believe what’s coming out of the MoD is true or at least “proper” due to the worthiness of cause: self defense; multipolarism; ending USA hegemony; and abiding respect for what they accomplished in WW2, being on the side of the RF which suggests they have no need to obfuscate and fabricate. I was a kid during Vietnam but even as a kid I soon caught on that the nightly news on TV and the DoD reports were 100% bullshit. All militaries are the same in this regard.
Telegram is just people in a closed room sniffing each other farts and, in a way mysterious to me, monetizing the blended fragrance, it’s just social media entertainment and little more. Regarding the war there’s no real news on this forum either just recycled TG info. I’ve first discovered MoA from links from Naked Cap way back around the 2008 crash. I come here for the geo-political analysis and the knowledgeable historical insights. As for the UKR war the speculation here, and I stress speculation, and there is a place for speculation, is about the best you can find in an imploding universe.
Roland @ 12
Brilliant. Shot of top-shelf on me, cheers.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 27 2022 19:59 utc | 35

Personally I like posts that reproduce or link to external content about the Ukrainian conflict. Those sorts of posts are the main reason I come to the “Open Thread” comment section here. As for being too tactical, I’d rather read a snippet that reports a (possibly) concrete fact than yet-another-grandiose, speculative pontification by someone on the epic struggle between the forces of dark hegemony and sovereign light.

Posted by: Mike314159 | Oct 27 2022 20:11 utc | 37

dear b, i too would appreciate your allowing down south to continue posting his summaries. i like others cannot access telegram & down south’s posts are very important to me. thank you, b, for hosting this site & for providing us with truth in this fog of war.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Oct 27 2022 20:15 utc | 39

This blog is my get to go, not only for B posts, but for comments, such as Karloff, much appreciated btw.Thank you.
1) Smootiex has become an echo chamber, no one is better, and john helmer is an idiot too, according to a host of a blog, he thinks he is the genius understanding everything.Lame.
2) The saker, always late and playing a victim of russian hate, he is boring and always behind real happenings. His site has become the aggregate, always late after the happenings. btw, he sh.t himself before and stop posting for months.Coward.

Posted by: stranger | Oct 27 2022 20:18 utc | 41

I find that the telegram posts are useful, particularly because certain channels are blocked in most of Europe, whether you are signed up to Telegram or not, and you can’t get around that by changing your dns server. Slavyangrad was blocked a while back, reappeared a couple of weeks ago, but seems to have been blocked again a couple of hours ago. Sputnik was blocked about the time Slavyangrad reappeared, and still is. Some of us have no way to read those posts except when they are quoted here.

Posted by: Jim | Oct 27 2022 20:21 utc | 43

Earlier this week, the Ukies crowed about how they, using their HIMARS, attacked the Chechen Militia’s HQ inflicting many casualties. This resulted in Kadyrov’s speech threatening to NUKE the Ukies. Kadyrov speaks further…
Many people know that at the beginning of this week one of the Chechen units came under Ukrainian shelling. This happened in the Kherson region. All rescue operations at the site have been completed and there is a final list of dead and injured.
23 soldiers were killed and 58 were wounded .Of these 58 people, four were seriously injured and fortunately their lives are not in danger.
Moreover, on the same day, as an act of retribution, our fighters carried out a sortie, during which about 70 Bandera men were sent straight to hell( 70 soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were killed) .
For our part, we will always take care of the families of the dead BROTHERS & Of course, no earthly blessings will return the dead, but it is our duty to take care and help their families. We must somehow alleviate their pain, help in the future, resolve existing issues. We allocate 1 million rubles for the funeral of each soldier who died in the SMO zone, and the state pays another 12 million to the families of the dead and the wounded soldiers receive three million rubles,
In addition, for the families of the victims, we provide a pilgrimage to the holy Mecca( Saudi Arabia).
We are indebted to the mothers who gave their people such sons!
Revenge of the Chechens will be sweet…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 27 2022 20:27 utc | 45

Here’s a tip for those who want to read Telegram without the need for reporting every post from a channel.
If Down South posts a link to Slavyangrad post, right click on the link and open it in another tab.
At the top of the Telegram link that opened in the other tab, click on the blue portion that says Slavyangrad. This will open another tab.
Click the “preview channel” link at the bottom of Slavyangrads banner.
You can now view every post from Slavyangrad’s channel.
Same goes for Azmilitary, IntelSlavaZ, etc.
If you dont have Telegram on your phone or desktop, some videos may be too big to show. This is the price you pay for not installing Telegram on your device.
Word of warning. Many of these videos are large in size. They will take up a sizable chuck of the storage on your device. I installed on my phone so I could install on my desktop. Once on my desktop, I removed it from my phone. In less than 1 month, TG took over 8GB of storage up on my phone.

Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Oct 27 2022 20:30 utc | 47

@ LightYearsFromHome | Oct 27 2022 19:59 utc | 35
Thanks for the shot, but I actually don’t like what you say.
First of all this notion of “everybody lies” is far to vague and ultimately misleading. Russian officials (not mere “commentators”, of whom some indeed blabber a lot) have given us preciously litte reason to doubt their general assesments, while the Ukrainian side has been doing that repeatedly.
And there is useful information on Telegram, one just has to weed through it a little bit. I also don’t mind it posted _occasionally_. Here, I’ll try it myself:
On two news aggregators (one of them actually Slavyangrad: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17003 ) I read that Ukrainian and Polish forces within Ukraine were fighting against each other, apparently because the Poles did not want to be used as cannon fodder. 30-50 Ukrainians appear to have fallen to that.
Which would show 2 things for me. One is that they use some of the foreign forces as cannon fodder and control them through some kind of “political commissars”. But I think most of us knew that already. The other thing is, well, for a dedicated Polish force to resist, allegedly killing multiple dozen Ukrainians, they would have to be at least company size I’d reckon, maybe even reaching towards battalion size. Which would be quite a development for this conflict. Sending some guys over as mercs or volunteers is one thing. For them to build up dedicated forces within Ukraine another. I hope there will be more information on it. Maybe even our esteemed host could find out more about it.

Posted by: Roland | Oct 27 2022 20:34 utc | 49

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 27 2022 19:52 utc | 29
But what does that leave us with? Where is the old left Marxist analysis now? You’re just glad vk has gone because you didn’t like him or his views, but you’re dressing your prejudice up in high-minded clutter-police moralising, which is the worst kind of dishonesty. I thought vk’s weekly wraps provocative, annoying at times, overbearing, but part of the tapestry of this site. It’s b’s bar, so he can kick people out. But the other tut-tutters and finger-wagging mammies can bugger off.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 27 2022 20:37 utc | 51

Why would the forces of Russia and the Eastern provinces put their personnel into the same abattoir, when they can wait for the AFU forces to exhaust themselves.
Posted by: Orchard1 | Oct 27 2022 20:07 utc | 36
Only a small part of nazis attack the soldiers, many others attack the civilians, destroy cities from distance using nato weapons, others sit and do nothing, like the many waiting near Belarus.
So the idea that all they have to do is wait is very wrong. They need a lot more troops, a fully destroyed power grid for kiev/lvov region to stop supplies and start attacks. They refuse to adapt, so they’re more or less stuck far from region borders. When ukr soldier numbers will get lower, nato will stop direct attacks and focus only on terrorism. If the puppets are not destroyed quickly, they’ll start to destroy everything, including npps or dams or chemical factories, just so that no one can live there or use resources.

Posted by: rk | Oct 27 2022 20:40 utc | 53

JoeDontSurf | Oct 27 2022 20:30 utc | 47

Click the “preview channel” link at the bottom of Slavyangrads banner.
You can now view every post from Slavyangrad’s channel.

That doesn’t work; It just brings you back to the same banner page. You never get near the contents. Logging in to Telegram you get a message saying that the channel is blocked in Europe. There is no way round it.

Posted by: Jim | Oct 27 2022 20:41 utc | 55

@Jim | Oct 27 2022 20:21 utc | 43

I find that the telegram posts are useful, particularly because certain channels are blocked in most of Europe, whether you are signed up to Telegram or not, and you can’t get around that by changing your dns server. Slavyangrad was blocked a while back, reappeared a couple of weeks ago, but seems to have been blocked again a couple of hours ago. Sputnik was blocked about the time Slavyangrad reappeared, and still is. Some of us have no way to read those posts except when they are quoted here.

I am in Europe and have Telegram on multiple devices. I have had no issues accessing Slavyangrad and many other channels on Telegram. I can get the channels just fine, but I still found the postings by Down South useful because the volumes on Telegram can be a bit overwhelming, but hey it isn’t my blog. I recommend people get Telegram to stay informed about daily happenings in Ukraine.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 27 2022 20:43 utc | 57

watcher #46
“So both Russia and China fear US attack”
Precisely! and one look at the behaviour of the neocons after Trumps election and then the Biden primaries and election would leave any sane observer with a clear understanding that there is no sane US entity to negotiate a civil, peaceful shared world order.
For the USA and UK, there is no alternative to rapine capitalism and should any dare to offer an alternative, they will be destroyed.
And thank you to Dr George W Oprisko for your posts.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 27 2022 20:48 utc | 59

Those familiar with Strauss and Howe’s Fourth Turning know it is now upon us.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 27 2022 20:54 utc | 61

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 27 2022 20:48 utc | 59
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CORRECT !!!!
because what happened has become existential for the West!
The Stredegen had never reckoned with this in their plans to weaken Russia by sacrificing Ukraine.
Putin’s decisions depending on the new situation are now leading to a struggle for the existence of the West, they NEVER thought that the development of bric / raw materials for rubles for everyone who is willing to pay in rubles…resistance of the strong states, this mixture became the struggle for existence for the West!
And that CAN lead to nuclear war….
Because the West now has almost nothing to lose but its own life !!

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 27 2022 20:58 utc | 63

Telegram on the PC !!!
ADDENDUM :
Telegram on PC = right click in your language Translate
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Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 27 2022 21:07 utc | 65

Long-time reader, first time commenting:
Down South postings are highly appreciated.

Posted by: Cindy Martin | Oct 27 2022 21:14 utc | 67

Musk supported this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1498491107902062592
The Twitter thread shows a number of leading strategists since the end of the Cold War stating NATO expansion to the borders of Russia was a monumental miscalculation. It makes me think of the opposite long list. Who are the people in the pro-NATO expansion long list? I can start with three names. Richard Holbrooke, Daniel Fried, and Victoria Nuland. All three were (are) leaders in US foreign policy, Jewish, and had grandparents during the late Russian Empire. It was a time of pogroms like in 1905.
The relationship between Jews in high government positions and the media and the leadup to the Ukraine War needs to be explored. Do Jews with ancestors who were killed or hurt during the Russian Empire want revenge against Russia? As a very cohesive group, Jews have long memories. It’s a mindset conducive to wanting revenge for the crimes against their kin. Jews in important roles worked hard and persistently to change the course of events and it has brought the US to proxy war with Russia.

Posted by: sanmiguel | Oct 27 2022 21:17 utc | 69

Remember Russia already lost more troops than US did in 10 year-Iraq-War. And more tanks already. And this war have not even been 1 year yet!
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 27 2022 19:51 utc | 27
The two conflicts have nothing in common. Iraq was already militarily exhausted from the first Gulf War and years of hard sanctions by the US. Their military was stripped down to less than a police force, with little or no airpower, and no air force at all. For the US, the war in Iraq was like shooting fish in a barrel, and still the Iraqi forces fought a land war second to none with mostly improvised weapons (LED’s) and small caliber guns.
Iraq did not have a sugar daddy like the US and NATO supporting them and providing them with the best weapons available, including combat training, radar cover, and satellite coverage and intelligence. If they had this kind of support, the US would have lost many times more than the number they lost in that war.
Now, just exactly how many troops do you claim that Russia have lost in this war so far, whatever you say is a lie, because those numbers are only a guess presented by the UAF’s. Now, exactly how many UAF and Nazi volunteers have died in this current conflict between Russia and the US proxy forces?

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 27 2022 21:24 utc | 71

Posted by: watcher | Oct 27 2022 20:30 utc | 46
I love posts like that one. They’re totally accurate I think and quite precisely describe the truth.
Yet at the same time totally wrong and inaccurate. And still describe the truth.
How so?
Because there’s two truths:
One is the ‘truth’ of the fantasy world of ‘nations’.
And the other is the truth of the real world of people.
In the fantasy world of ‘nations’, ‘china’ and ‘america’, etc. exist and they have lives of their own with ‘destiny’ and ‘imperatives’ and so on.
In the real world of people there’s people striving merely to live.
The fantasy world is used as the directing power and real people die to feed its narrative.
Which is bad enough.
But that bad pales into nothing compared with the real ‘bad’ which is that all discourse revolves around the fantasy: reality, actual people, is/are totally discounted, ignored, marginalised, forgotten.
And everyone – but ‘everyone’ begins living in and wholly accepting the ‘reality’ of this fantasy world. The real world is totally forgotten.
So now we have ‘america’ fomenting nuclear annihilation for the whole world.
This fantasy concept ‘america’ actually means not america at all. It means a few dozen – maybe a few hundred, possibly less than ten, who knows – individuals. It does not refer at all to 350 million people.
But learned and serious and tremendously intelligent and responsible people bend their brains to discussing possibilities and courses of actions and futures entirely within this fantasy: a nation of 350 million as a handful of (insane) individuals. They do this in all seriousness. Page after page, hour after hour, volume after volume, year after year their serious and learned emissions never relating to the people whatever.
The world has completely lost sight of the fact that some things are virtual reality. They simply do not exist. They are convenient fictions for use in social organisation, commerce, whatever.
Everyone should know that Corporations do not exist, surely? It is written quite clearly if you don’t know. They are fictional entities given certain powers and deemed to ‘exist’ as though they were individuals. In law. In corporate law.
But they are NOT individuals and as such the do NOT exist, really. No.
But so demented and programmed have we become that millions of people and billions of dollars are actually spent ‘fighting’ these corporations and hating these corporations as thought they were real. Whilst, of course, ignoring the real operative factors which are the people, the decision makers and operatives within them. And surrounding them.
In exactly the same way seeing the world as comprised of ‘nations’ is merely a convenience. A legal fiction. And all talk of their national ‘imperatives’ and blah, blah are essentially red herrings, novels, dreams, romances…
Which isn’t just frivolity and a minor error while ever it occupies the whole stage and pushes to one side any contemplation of reality.
So here now we have the greatest problem being the utter miseducation of the Ukrainian (Kiev) people who believe their lives to be in danger and their country being in danger of being taken from them.
They die by the thousand because they fear those two things.
The solution would like in educating them as to the real dangers they face.
i.e. the reduction in the quality of their nation in every way with every passing day. And the increasing chance of their own harm with every passing day. And the fact that there is a way out well short of what they’re told.
But because of the prevailing way of viewing the world: i.e. it is conflict between ‘nations’ there’s not the slightest interest anywhere in educating these people.
Or the people of Europe who’re also increasingly in danger of great suffering.
Nor the people of the UK.
Nor of the USA people.
Not only are we all in the grip of insane (mis)leaders
But we’re in the grip of a complete misapprehension of the nature of reality.

Posted by: abrogard | Oct 27 2022 21:28 utc | 73

Posted by: sanmiguel | Oct 27 2022 21:17 utc | 70
I wonder, could it be possible that 109 countries were right after all?

Posted by: Deplorable | Oct 27 2022 21:38 utc | 75

That’s another impressive speech by VVP. And since my MSM breaking news featured a mention of it, it might even get some traction here on the dark side

Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 27 2022 21:42 utc | 77

I skip all TG reposts here (and most details on TG too) so I don’t care. B is right. It’s not a rocket science to install TG.

Posted by: RB | Oct 27 2022 21:51 utc | 79

@whirlX 3
“Issue, is that all sides will be badly damaged for years to come and World as we know it, its orders and values will be gone.”
In reality, since at least 2014 we have known to the limits of scientific certainty, that the detonation of 100 nuclear warheads over cities would be sufficient to eject some 5 teragrams of black soot into the earth’s stratosphere where it never rains. That means that soot would remain blocking sunlight from the earth for decades, cooling the Earth to levels not seen since the Permian–Triassic extinction event (End Permian) 250 mybp which did the same as forests burned, due to comets and vulcanism. That was, until now, Earth’s largest extinction event and killed 57% of all families, 83% of all genera and 90% to 96% of all species (53% of marine families, 84% of marine genera, about 81% of all marine species and an estimated 70% of land species, including insects). With the sun blocked out, photosynthesis by plants, including plankton, would be impossible, and with most seeds deteriorating within years, driving most vegetation into extinction.
Outside of some specialized deep sea and underground microorganisms which live in darkness, this would starve the majority of terrestrial and marine organisms to death, if they do not first die of radiation or climate chaos. The decompose biomatter will cause methane levels to soar, favoring anoxic organisms including jellyfish. Exacerbating this, as oxygen is highly reactive and this continuously removes oxygen from the atmosphere, the planet relies on continuous supplementation to maintain oxygen levels. Marine organisms, principally phytoplankton (plant based plankton), are responsible for more than 80% of that. Should this occur, atmospheric and marine oxygen concentrations will decline, and the ever present threat of archaic anaerobic organisms, which can subsist on sulphur, breaking out of their submarine entombment, where they will revert the planet to sulfuric Canfield Oceans.
As there are some 18,000 known ready-to-use nuclear devices and estimate that pits exist to assemble another 50,000 or so devices on short notice, inter alia, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists and World Economic Forum both consider the detonation of these devices both the most likely and most serious near-term threat to continued human existence.
Cited from my monograph Wars of Depopulation which is footnoted to provide links to source papers and news items.

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 27 2022 21:54 utc | 81

@LightYearsFromHome 41
I am reminded that Hitler’s secretary said that he had never behave other than as a Christian gentleman.
He was correct.
Since Christianity was invented, most of the world’s monsters have indeed been fine christian gentleman.

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 27 2022 22:06 utc | 83

Does anyone have any thoughts on why Russia can’t take Avdiivka? I believe it’s about six miles northwest of Donetsk, and the AFU has been in Avdiivka shelling Donetsk for many years. I just wonder why Russia can’t drop a bomb on the AFU fortifications or cut off supplies to these forces then capture them. I think this makes Russia look very weak, and that is something Russia doesn’t need. Can anyone explain this?

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Oct 27 2022 22:17 utc | 85

Posted by: OdessaConnected | Oct 27 2022 22:17 utc | 85
No explanation needed. Russia doesn’t care how you think they look.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Oct 27 2022 22:20 utc | 87

“Nuclear blackmail. Escalation scenarios. Konstantin Sivkov”
over at the Saker is a must read.
Posted by: Per/Norway | Oct 27 2022 20:32 utc | 48

Maybe, but with zero paragraphs or line breaks it is impossible to read.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 27 2022 22:21 utc | 89

Not only are we all in the grip of insane (mis)leaders
But we’re in the grip of a complete misapprehension of the nature of reality.
Posted by: abrogard | Oct 27 2022 21:28 utc | 74
Brilliant!

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 27 2022 22:27 utc | 91

Nearly four times as many German soldiers, reservists and other trained personnel have asked to leave the service this year as in 2021, the AFP reported. The increase comes as Germany deepens its involvement in Ukraine and seeks to rebuild its armed forces.
The Bundeswehr received 810 requests to register as conscientious objectors in the first eight months of this year, up from 209 throughout the whole of 2021, Der Spiegel reported on Wednesday, citing figures from the Defense Ministry seen by AFP.
By registering their refusal to fight, soldiers are eligible to leave military service and can invoke their status as conscientious objectors even in the event that conscription is reintroduced.
https://www.rt.com/news/565481-germany-soldiers-refusing-fight/
This is not only Germany, even extremely Russophobic Estonia had a pretty large proportion of absentees from their annual military exercise. Finland has had over 3500 resignations from the military reserve compared to 350 in 2021.
While it may not seem important, people mostly get it what’s going on and the most rabid ones have already gone in Ukraine. Fighting now in Ukraine are basically ISIS, Nazi groups and a bunch of mercenaries from eastern Europe and anglo countries, who have mostly criminal backgrounds.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 27 2022 22:41 utc | 93

curate
I thought I would pick this word as a couple years back it became one of those jargon buzzwords which people who want to push their notions by replacing simple terms with more obscure ones adopt. We won’t worry about its noun usuage “According to former use, one who has the cure of souls; a priest; a minister.” as currently the word is used as a verb, specifically:
“To apply selectivity and taste to, as a collection of fashion items or web pages”
Yeah yeah what t’fuck am I on about?
Simply really people who rely on any particular source for information, as many who have expressed concern at b’s request for a poster to tone down his copy and pasting are allowing someone who they don’t know and won’t ever know to do a task they should be doing for themselves – always, curating the information they allow into their consciousness for consideration.
I’m not gonna regurgitate old arguments about this I have already made other than to point out that no human is objective, we all have our preferences and are biased toward accepting or rejecting particular points of view. Once we allows ourself to rely on any other individuals selection of ‘news’ we have adopted that other humans bias a state of affairs that leads us into the possibility of being indoctrinated.
A thread the other day was chocka with people celebrating the fact they had liberated themselves from corporate media, what is the point of doing that if in your next act you merely choose an alternative curator/aggregator?
Anyone who wishes to access TG but doesn’t want to give up their phone number should just buy a $30 burner at a supermarket and use that. If you are being blocked by your ‘nation’ even after swapping your DNS server from accessing particular channels sign up for a VPN, the VPN mobs seem to be giving the things away at the moment, although I prefer one that isn’t based in amerika as that joint has absolutely no digital privacy. The one I use has a fast & efficiant endpoint based in the RF (as well as every other place on the planet) which I have been communicating to & from with no issues.
Yeah that does cost a few bucks but those garbage news outlets you have chucked over cost a damn sight more.
Set yourself up and go where you want to without anyone else stepping between you and what you wish to find out about. Every news source should be treated skeptically – from time to time Slavyangrad has tosh on it too, you know, but this isn’t putting down any source, just stating that ultimately there can only be one news curator for you – yourself.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 27 2022 22:59 utc | 95

Everyone should know that Corporations do not exist, surely? It is written quite clearly if you don’t know. They are fictional entities given certain powers and deemed to ‘exist’ as though they were individuals. In law. In corporate law.
But they are NOT individuals and as such the do NOT exist, really. No.
….
Not only are we all in the grip of insane (mis)leaders
But we’re in the grip of a complete misapprehension of the nature of reality.
Posted by: abrogard | Oct 27 2022 21:28 utc | 74

The business of conflating the rights of corporations with individuals is a peculiar interpretation of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court in the landmark Citizens United case. That interpretation does not apply in all countries. It is also possible that in some future sane America, the decision will be revisited.
See http://www.thecourt.ca/the-corporation-as-a-person-legal-fact-or-fiction/
However, using that example to argue that “corporations do not exist” is indeed “a complete misapprehension of the nature of reality”. By the same logic, governments and courts do not exist.
Of course they exist, unlike fictional entities sasquatches or unicorns. They have a physical presence and they act in tangible ways in the world.
Apologies in advance it your post was intended as sarcasm and it went over my head.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 27 2022 23:25 utc | 97

Nearly four times as many German soldiers, reservists and other trained personnel have asked to leave the service this year as in 2021, the AFP reported. The increase comes as Germany deepens its involvement in Ukraine and seeks to rebuild its armed forces.
The Bundeswehr received 810 requests to register as conscientious objectors in the first eight months of this year, up from 209 throughout the whole of 2021, Der Spiegel reported on Wednesday, citing figures from the Defense Ministry seen by AFP.
By registering their refusal to fight, soldiers are eligible to leave military service and can invoke their status as conscientious objectors even in the event that conscription is reintroduced.
https://www.rt.com/news/565481-germany-soldiers-refusing-fight/
This is not only Germany, even extremely Russophobic Estonia had a pretty large proportion of absentees from their annual military exercise. Finland has had over 3500 resignations from the military reserve compared to 350 in 2021.
While it may not seem important, people mostly get it what’s going on and the most rabid ones have already gone in Ukraine. Fighting now in Ukraine “defending the western cradle of ‘democracy'” are now ISIS, Nazi groups and a bunch of mercenaries from eastern Europe and anglo countries, who have mostly criminal backgrounds. How’s that for irony.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 27 2022 23:35 utc | 99