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October 24, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-182
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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In response to Melaleuca@324,
Who are they trying to convince? If NATO had the balls to formally get involved in the conflict, I don’t believe they would need any additional motivation to do so. They could point to any number of media spun atrocities at this point. Posted by: Skiffer | Oct 25 2022 12:16 utc | 401 So… It’s all just “business as usual “ ? Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 12:29 utc | 402 @ Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 11:26 utc | 390 Posted by: whirlX | Oct 25 2022 12:44 utc | 403 I am sure everyone has noticed that RF didn’t push beyond the borders of annexed regions/republics. Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 12:55 utc | 404 Zelensky wants to start moving towards the capture of Abkhazia, Transnistria and the Kuriles Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 13:03 utc | 405 Zelensky wants to start moving towards the capture of Abkhazia, Transnistria and the Kuriles Posted by: CM of Berlin | Oct 25 2022 13:12 utc | 406 Dead Hand vs. Dead Brain Posted by: ctiger | Oct 25 2022 13:12 utc | 407 Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 13:03 utc | 413 Posted by: UncleTom | Oct 25 2022 13:21 utc | 408 james @ 267
Problem would be prisoners, seems pretty true that Russians capture a bunch of Ukrainians each day. I don’t doubt the thousands of NATO troops present but they’re mostly supporting and those fighting only go where they have an assured exit, keeping out of the meat grinder, which they are too good for, and the POW camps which would be very problematic for NATO. A few stragglers caught I could see but several hundred Poles or Americans would be a disaster for USA/NATO. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 25 2022 13:27 utc | 409 Zelensky wants to start moving towards the capture of Abkhazia, Transnistria and the Kuriles Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 13:29 utc | 410 Why would a dirty bomb necessitate a nuclear escalation? Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Oct 25 2022 5:56 utc | 318 Hermit, further to 406 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 14:04 utc | 413 as I said before, even if a dirty bomb is exploded and caused Russian soldier or Russian civilian casualties, I don’t see Russia directly retaliating against either US or NATO forces outside Ukraine (with the possible exception of NATO spy aircraft) or directly attacking US or NATO command and control outside Ukraine. I do see them decapitating the Kiev regime. Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 13:03 utc | 413 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 14:46 utc | 415 unimperator | Oct 25 2022 14:46 utc | 425 Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 15:02 utc | 416 PCR latest:
======================================= @ RB | Oct 25 2022 9:10 utc | 361 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:08 utc | 418 @ Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 15:08 utc | 427 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:11 utc | 419 More: Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 15:14 utc | 420 wagelaborer @254: “We living in the west never get to hear the US/NATO spin, so it’s important for you to post it here “for balance”.” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 25 2022 15:19 utc | 421 A bit of surprising common sense from Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre:
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 25 2022 15:32 utc | 422 “history-making levels of internal turmoil, even strife, .. chaos, uncertainty, failure to achieve positive results, rising crime, energy rationing, food shortages…” Posted by: bottle | Oct 25 2022 15:37 utc | 423 Putin and Russia cannot win this conflict unless their true adversary is deposed. Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 15:38 utc | 424 @ marko | Oct 25 2022 15:14 utc | 430 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:40 utc | 425 @ Norwegian | Oct 25 2022 15:32 utc | 433 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:42 utc | 426 @james | Oct 25 2022 15:42 utc | 437 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 25 2022 15:53 utc | 427 Paul Greenwood | Oct 25 2022 12:08 utc | 406 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 15:57 utc | 428 scorpio – don’t bother posting that shit! Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 16:08 utc | 429 @rk #435:
Bullshit. The mobilized and the volunteers are real. Most of them are yet to come to the front lines because it takes time to train people. Posted by: S | Oct 25 2022 16:08 utc | 430 rk @ 413 Posted by: Blissex | Oct 25 2022 16:10 utc | 431 Bullshit. The mobilized and the volunteers are real. Most of them are yet to come to the front lines because it takes time to train people. Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 16:25 utc | 432 Israeli media reports on transfer of “Smart Shooter” complexes to Kiev to fight alleged Iranian drones supplied to Russia by Tehran, after Israel said it would not send weapons to Ukraine. Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 16:26 utc | 433 US troops surpass 100,000 in Europe Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 16:46 utc | 434
Thank you. Posted by: David Levin | Oct 25 2022 16:58 utc | 435 “Putin’s slow and limited SMO half assed invasion is a blunder and a failure, putting us all in danger of nuclear war.” Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 25 2022 17:05 utc | 436 @rk #441:
Some of those “with military training” have served as ordinary conscripts 20 years ago and have zero combat experience. Even those with combat experience in the past often have no idea how to operate modern comms systems, night vision systems, drones, etc. It takes time to train them. Plus, there are many problems with supplies that are currently being solved. Posted by: S | Oct 25 2022 17:37 utc | 437 Every day we read of a number of tanks being destroyed….every few days Ukr loses another war plane. How many more of each remain?????Yes some repairs are in EU countries as Rus hits Ukr repair facilities..how many remain….Slovakia was donating some Migs to be be repaired-spares a while ago so are they in service one wonders. Posted by: Jo | Oct 25 2022 17:38 utc | 438 @ Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 16:46 utc | 443 Posted by: whirlX | Oct 25 2022 18:01 utc | 439 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:08 utc | 427 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 25 2022 18:02 utc | 440 Israeli media reports … Posted by: tucenz | Oct 25 2022 19:23 utc | 441 @oldhippie 407 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 25 2022 19:35 utc | 442 S | Oct 25 2022 17:37 utc | 446 Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 19:48 utc | 443 Scorpion@426 Posted by: bevin | Oct 25 2022 19:50 utc | 444 Posted by: Blissex | Oct 24 2022 22:03 utc | 230 Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 25 2022 19:59 utc | 445 @Melaleuca 437 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 25 2022 20:10 utc | 446 For those still keeping score, Voltairenet has this new article: Posted by: bevin | Oct 25 2022 20:17 utc | 447 It seems to me that to understand Paul C Roberts one has to realise that he has a well known track record. He was part of the Reagan government that engaged in war after war after proxy war in the 1980s. And what they did in Central America, and elsewhere, was not pretty. Posted by: K | Oct 25 2022 20:30 utc | 448 Because many are not sick yet is not a reason to keep spreading poison. Posted by: Jax | Oct 25 2022 11:48 utc | 401 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 20:38 utc | 450 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 25 2022 12:08 utc | 405 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 20:42 utc | 451 Hermit @ 451 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 20:46 utc | 452 Posted by: whirlX | Oct 25 2022 12:44 utc | 412 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 20:48 utc | 453 @ anon2020 | Oct 25 2022 18:02 utc | 449 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 20:50 utc | 454 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:08 utc | 427 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 20:51 utc | 455 Scorpion@426
But if PCR is one of those who has spent his life trying to develop and oppose hegemony, even though now he is strong voice against it as well as the war against White people in the West, then I guess you have a fair point. I forgot: PCR’s latest book: But if PCR is one of those who has spent his life trying to develop and oppose hegemony, even though now he is strong voice against it as well as the war against White people in the West, then I guess you have a fair point. Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 21:06 utc | 458 Scorpion @ 458 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 21:15 utc | 459 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 21:15 utc | 468 Re the DU in Iraq – it must be pure co-incidence that the only person I ever met in real life with a cancer stricken toddler was an Iraqi engineer from Basrah in 2012. Posted by: Al Dossary | Oct 25 2022 21:28 utc | 461 RSH @462– No one is buying To end this sidebar conversation – though it is germane to Ukraine – I picked an essay from PCR’s 2015 collection published in his book ‘the neoconservative threat to world order.’
Spot on. Rings true today albeit written 7 years ago. Not many writers evidence that sort of no-nonsense prescience. Even if he did work in the Treasury Dept in Reagan’s govt in the 1980s! Scorpion 469 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 22:36 utc | 466 whirlX | Oct 25 2022 18:01 utc | 448 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 22:43 utc | 467 I also don’t care since clearly – twice now – you don’t care to express an interesting opinion one way or another just shallow insult. So be it. Posted by: K | Oct 25 2022 22:53 utc | 468 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 22:36 utc | 475 @Scorpion to 458 Posted by: Uwe | Oct 25 2022 23:34 utc | 470 @430 “…a TV on the wall of the bar blaring CNN 24X7.” No, owners have preferred Fox for decades. It’s been Fox blaring 24/7, not CNN and claiming CNN is straight-up lying. The preference for lying to indulge ludicrous prejudices and petty malice is SOP here. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 25 2022 23:54 utc | 471 K | Oct 25 2022 22:53 utc | 477 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 0:17 utc | 472 @ Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 22:43 utc | 476 with the concern about rhetoric surrounding the 101st airborne near Ukraine. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2022 0:26 utc | 473 A German documentary filmmaker who worked for state television made a film about the subject. Since then, he has received no more commissions. The dying of the contaminated people and their children is a very quiet and unnoticed death in every respect. @Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 25 2022 9:36 utc | 368 Posted by: daffyDuct | Oct 26 2022 0:50 utc | 475 To the bar re PCR: Yes. But The Fool is the most prized card in the Major Arcana, …right? Posted by: K | Oct 26 2022 0:55 utc | 477 K | Oct 26 2022 0:55 utc | 486 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 1:06 utc | 478 What Twitter just told me: Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 1:07 utc | 479 Anyway, now I understand why some can’t stand him and also why they didn’t say why. Taboo!! Posted by: K | Oct 26 2022 1:19 utc | 480 @ Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 21:50 utc | 473 Posted by: james | Oct 26 2022 1:20 utc | 481 oh and i don’t give a shit if he is or isn’t anti-semite… seems like you are jumping to a lot of erroneous conclusions scorpion.. Posted by: james | Oct 26 2022 1:21 utc | 482 john helmer wrote a fairly disturbing article yesterday on a topic that seems of interest at the moment – Posted by: james | Oct 26 2022 1:32 utc | 483 Twitter says Nancy Pelosi flew out of Croatia 15 hours ago. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 1:33 utc | 484 Maybe I am jumping to conclusions. If it is not the antisemitic angle then I have no idea why you have such strong feelings against him but it really doesn’t matter. Well, I read what you wrote but cannot understand the reaction. It’s just an opinion, albeit one more informed by life experience than anybody here for example. I think if you and K had voiced WHY you had such a reaction rather than just stating ‘he’s shit’ ‘he’s racist’ or ‘he’s an old white guy’ or whatever I wouldn’t have come back, but I find such things too opaque I guess. Then when I saw the reference in wikipedia I thought ‘oh, that’s what it’s about.’ Seems that was wrong too. by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2022 0:26 utc | 482 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 1:50 utc | 486 @ Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 1:50 utc | 495 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2022 2:01 utc | 487 @ Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 1:33 utc | 494 Posted by: james | Oct 26 2022 2:33 utc | 488 And for those who are interested in the nuclear signature debate…. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 2:34 utc | 489 I think the speculation that the 101st Airborne division would be sent to Odessa is a bit misguided. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Oct 26 2022 3:18 utc | 490 Russia notified the U.S. that it has begun its annual nuclear drills, which include the launch of missiles. This comes as NATO is conducting its own military drills, claiming its best weapon is deterrence. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 3:22 utc | 491 The main problem with the scenario I laid out above is that NATO would be foolish to send in a mechanized corps to try to eject Russia from Ukraine. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Oct 26 2022 3:35 utc | 492 Twitter:: https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/10/21/18th-airborne-corps-unit-returns-after-rapid-response-deployment/ Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 4:24 utc | 493 Went a bit feral with the bold there. Apologies… Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 6:37 utc | 494 re Melaleuca | Oct 26 2022 3:22 utc | 500 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 26 2022 7:13 utc | 495 No one is buying Posted by: RB | Oct 26 2022 8:39 utc | 496 PCR is all about protecting the “legacy” of the Raygun Adminstration he was once a part of. He was not a competent military person then, and he is not one now. I think it is nice of Unz to give him a place to express himself, and of Putin to give him a place to stay, but I never pay any attention to his rants. He tends to sound just like Bolton but on the other side. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 26 2022 10:06 utc | 497 Relatively big attack was in the Kupyansk area. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2022 10:18 utc | 498 ⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine Posted by: Summary | Oct 26 2022 10:41 utc | 499
Thank you. Posted by: David Levin | Oct 26 2022 13:59 utc | 500 |
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