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October 24, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-182
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Why would a dirty bomb necessitate a nuclear escalation? Destroying power plants in Poland giving the Europeans a taste of the war they are willing to fund, exposing article 5, nato, the EU and the US empire as liars and frauds. How many weak impotent bankrupt European vassals states would line up to sacrifice themselves for Ukraint? Making an example of a nato country ends this war, nato and the EU. Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Oct 25 2022 4:01 utc | 301 @ PavewayIV | Oct 25 2022 2:53 utc | 291 Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 4:02 utc | 302 Additionally to my comment at 296, small amounts of Polonium 210 are allegedly made in other countries; from the reference at Slate I cited earlier: james | Oct 25 2022 4:02 utc | 307 Posted by: Maxx | Oct 25 2022 4:18 utc | 304 Posted by: hankster | Oct 24 2022 21:07 utc | 204 Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 25 2022 4:37 utc | 306 Elmer Fudd | Oct 25 2022 2:18 utc | 283 Posted by: averros | Oct 25 2022 4:42 utc | 307 Everyday I am hearing about Russian reinforcements and how they are going to change the game. I hear people like Scott Ritter and Douglas McGregor talk about how the Ukranians have been decimated. The fact is since July the Russian have been on the back foot. This complaining about what they believe the Ukranian will do or not do paints a picture of a weak army. The Russian army has been painted as this invincible army that could not be beaten, as it is now the ukranians have them on the ropes. They fight for three months to advance two kilometers and get pushed back in an hour. They have been trying to take Bakhmut for months and cannot take it yet this “decimated” ukraine army has them on the run everywhere. When will the Russians turn up. Where are the reinforcements after the mobilization and what impact are they having? If they abandon Kherson I think that is the end of the road. Posted by: Curious Passerby | Oct 25 2022 4:49 utc | 308 Stop being manipulated by propaganda. Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 25 2022 4:50 utc | 309 Curious Passerby | Oct 25 2022 4:49 utc | 313 Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 25 2022 5:17 utc | 310 @PavewayIV | thx very much for the George webb tip. Thoroughly enjoyable distraction. Will keep my eyes open to see what comes next. Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 5:22 utc | 311 Below is the title of a recent Reuters posting Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2022 5:55 utc | 312 marcjf @99 Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Oct 25 2022 5:56 utc | 313 It,s time the UK, American politicians and their public felt the reality of war in their own countrys on their own soil effecting their own family. Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2022 6:09 utc | 314 I tend to think Gonzalo Lira has made a decent case that the US/UK dirty bomb/intervention plan is thus: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 6:12 utc | 315 @ Old Microbiologist | Oct 25 2022 5:56 utc | 318 with the scenario about the goings on…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 25 2022 6:18 utc | 316 Marko @223….fuck off. Posted by: Sisofia | Oct 25 2022 6:37 utc | 317 … They either have to swallow it and just let the house of card collapse, and accept Russia will just demolish all their equipment with cheap drones pretty much invisible to radars. Or they will go “all in” to avoid the potentially bad effects of admitting defeat. That is why it’s so dangerous. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 25 2022 6:39 utc | 318 DaVinci | Oct 24 2022 19:20 utc | 172 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 6:45 utc | 319 US aircraft carrier in Mediterranean Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 7:00 utc | 320
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16533 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 7:01 utc | 321
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16538 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 7:03 utc | 322
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16537 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 7:06 utc | 323 Perhaps am full of hopium; but perhaps with the excepted changes in the midterms and with sunak as the PM with no ukraine baggage associated with him this could be the collective west deciding to end the hot war in the ukraine; at least for awhile as some people think there are know negotiations beginning to occur as per military summary latest video. the true ukraine losses are coming out and they are extreme . Posted by: ralph | Oct 25 2022 7:06 utc | 324
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16552 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 7:07 utc | 325
Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 7:09 utc | 326 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 7:00 utc | 325 Posted by: watcher | Oct 25 2022 7:14 utc | 327 @ Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 6:45 utc | 324 Posted by: whirlX | Oct 25 2022 7:34 utc | 328 Incompetence by Russia keeps on… Posted by: Zanon | Oct 25 2022 7:49 utc | 329 Kiev regime does not hesitate to kill children and old people and destroy civilian infrastructure, and Russia’s answer to this is weak, if their shells are striking our regions then their cities should be wiped out – Ramzan Kadyrov. Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 7:50 utc | 330 Here’s another fun idea for everyone to think about… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 7:54 utc | 331 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 7:03 utc | 327 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 7:59 utc | 332 Misc reports via TG-
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 8:03 utc | 333 Here’s another fun idea: Ukraine already got a truck bomb onto the Kerch bridge. What if they manage to do it again with a dirty bomb? Or by some other delivery meachanism? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 8:04 utc | 334 whirlX | Oct 25 2022 7:34 utc | 333 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 8:07 utc | 335 The Ukraine dilemma would depend on what Rishi Sunak would say or not say about Ukraine at about 11:30 today, UK time. If he says that the economic problem in the UK is all Putin’s fault, as did Boris the clown and Liz the dumb, then nothing practically had changed. Otherwise, the country’s policy will be more inward directed. Let’s see, if Ben Wallace stays as the defense minister. If not, the foreign policy is changed. Then, Rishi won’t have the Zelensky curse. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 8:16 utc | 336 unimperator | Oct 25 2022 7:59 utc | 337 Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 8:17 utc | 337 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 8:04 utc | 339 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2022 8:19 utc | 338 Ok, gonna call it here. Nothing re. Nato participation happens, SMO will continue like this for 4-6 months, Nato will send a few old junk Leopard tanks, some F-15 / F-16s, Russia builds more forts and more or less holds out. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 8:23 utc | 339 Melaleuca @ 325
Not just this Mediterranean forces wording but all the current statements coming out of DoD regarding forces in EU are all about “deterring” Russia. This isn’t used as in Cold War “deterring” that is maintaining the status quo, but is now hot war “deterring” that is “roll back” as in Korea and Vietnam – only it’s not war by proxies now it’s direct, USA vs Russia. We are a missive or two away from “deterring” being changed to “fighting”. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 25 2022 8:24 utc | 340 Listening to Mercouris’ video today. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 8:28 utc | 341 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 7:59 utc | 337 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 8:30 utc | 342 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2022 8:19 utc | 343 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 8:31 utc | 343 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 8:07 utc | 340 Posted by: watcher | Oct 25 2022 8:33 utc | 344 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 8:28 utc | 346 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 8:34 utc | 345 … FACT – Ukraine is an active warzone. Any military forces that enter are subject to attack by the opposing force. If U.S. troops enter they will be attacked, unless they are fighting under Russian command. … Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 25 2022 8:34 utc | 346 Posted by: watcher | Oct 25 2022 8:33 utc | 349 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 8:42 utc | 347
Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 8:49 utc | 348 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 6:12 utc | 320 Posted by: Jax | Oct 25 2022 8:53 utc | 350 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 8:49 utc | 353 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 8:54 utc | 351 The West wants to provide assistance to Ukraine for decades, we are talking about the Marshall plan of the XXI century – Scholz Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 8:55 utc | 352 watcher | Oct 25 2022 8:33 utc | 349 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 8:57 utc | 353 @ PavewayIV | Oct 25 2022 2:53 utc | 291 Posted by: RB | Oct 25 2022 9:10 utc | 354 @Mark | Oct 25 2022 4:04 utc | 308
The polonium came from the “Polonium Letter from Hell”, that Scaramella gave to Litvinenko in a London restaurant. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 25 2022 9:13 utc | 355 Liz Truss in her parting speech in front of 10, Downing Street did mention Ukraine and Putin’s “aggression.” And, hoped that Rishi would do so. Well? Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 9:20 utc | 356 8 months of winning: Ukrainian military is shelling Donetsk and multiple other settlements since early morning and hasn’t stopped yet. 155mm and 152mm shells. Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 9:32 utc | 357 By continuing destruction of energy facilities Russia can defeat Ukraine and the collective West very soon. Posted by: marko | Oct 25 2022 9:33 utc | 358 Those arguing about the lethality of a ‘dirty bomb’ are missing the point. The yield, or radiological potency of the device is irrelevant. The danger is that it points to Russia … a country with 1500 nuclear weapons aimed at us. Russia’s road mobile ICBM’s have left their bases and are roaming the countryside … this is the first time they’ve ever done this where it wasn’t a planned exercise. Posted by: Dave_k | Oct 25 2022 9:34 utc | 359 “General Michael ‘Erik’ Kurilla, commander of CENTCOM, conducted a visit aboard the USS West Virginia [top], a U.S. Navy Ohio-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine at an undisclosed location at sea in international waters in the Arabian Sea” 19/10/22 Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 25 2022 9:36 utc | 360 … I think assuming everyone called Ukraine and begged them not to do it is naive in the extreme on Mercouris’ part. But he tends to be a “softy” and frequently finds it hard to believe that people are as big asshats as they actually are – even the neocons. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 25 2022 9:44 utc | 361 What those foreign ministers don’t say openly is what Shoigu had exactly told them or threatened them with. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 9:49 utc | 362 rk @357
The Marshall Plan was in a planned Keynesian high growth full employment postwar economy where the USA invested its money in order to recycle the surplus while preventing the repeat of post WW1 errors and the spread of Communism in the western EU. Win-win at the time. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 25 2022 10:08 utc | 363 What those foreign ministers don’t say openly is what Shoigu had exactly told them or threatened them with. Posted by: marko | Oct 25 2022 10:10 utc | 364 The goal of the European Union is not to freeze, but to confiscate Russian assets in Europe, but for this it is necessary to prepare a legal framework – Ursula Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 10:17 utc | 365 anon2020 @ 367
In this case the use of a dirty bomb is specifically strategic rather than tactical. Like hell Ukraine would be allowed, or allow itself, a strategic move w/o orders from on high, not even UK but USA. Sure, maybe, deviant services in UKR and UK trying to force the hand of the emperor but that’s fantasy, the dirty tricks are played among themselves, otherwise the vassals live in abject fear and admiration of the emperor. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 25 2022 10:20 utc | 366 The European Union will provide Ukraine with 1 billion euros and 400 electric generators for the urgent restoration of energy supply – Ursula Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 10:24 utc | 367 Federal President Steinmaier from Germany in Kyiv. Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 25 2022 10:25 utc | 368 The Ukraine dilemma would depend on what Rishi Sunak would say or not say about Ukraine Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 10:29 utc | 369 Posted by: marko | Oct 25 2022 10:10 utc | 370 Posted by: Jax | Oct 25 2022 10:31 utc | 370 Peskov: “The head of the US Defense Ministry, Lloyd Austin, showed a frivolous and impermissible approach, rejecting Russia’s warnings about the possible use of a “dirty bomb” by Kiev” Posted by: rk | Oct 25 2022 10:37 utc | 371 The retaliation, if happens, will be in one or all of those countries, and not in the Ukraine. So, the collective (official) response to the MSM press by those ‘foreign’ ministers. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 10:38 utc | 372 Forward Operating Base Poland. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 10:44 utc | 373 Prime Minister of Ukraine Shmygal said that “the effectiveness of the German IRIS-T air defense system in intercepting missiles is 90%” Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 25 2022 10:49 utc | 374 A two-fer | two front war is always the best option…..right? Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2022 10:52 utc | 375 Looks like Britain finally has a grown-up as its prime minister! Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 11:00 utc | 376 Melaleuca @ 381 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 25 2022 11:01 utc | 377 Or, about continuing supporting the Ukraine dilemma. Let’s see if Ben Wallace is kicked out. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 11:05 utc | 378
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16581 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 11:14 utc | 379
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16583 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 11:18 utc | 380 The US likely is mobilizing forces and NATO is being reenforced in Romania, but the fact remains that the west likely does not have an avenue to effectively apply that force. The mystique of the US military is a lot bigger than its might. The army is currently trying to pivot to fighting this kind of war but is still a long way from it. No doubt that the US or some portions of NATO directly entering the Ukraine conflict will cause great damage to Russian forces. But the damage is two way and there’s not any evidence that the US can take damage or sustain a conflict. Sure, 90 planes on an aircraft career but one can’t assume all 90 make it back to the carrier. Posted by: Lex | Oct 25 2022 11:20 utc | 381
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26688 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 11:22 utc | 382 Et Tu | Oct 25 2022 9:36 utc | 366 Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 11:24 utc | 383 Posted by: Jax | Oct 25 2022 8:53 utc | 355 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 11:26 utc | 384 @blues 260 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 25 2022 11:26 utc | 385
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/7480 Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 11:31 utc | 386 In March, Sunak was Johnsoniuk’s minister, but now he is the prime minister. If he wants/needs to safeguard the British economy, he has to stop wasting money in non-British areas. Right now, most of the political “experts” of western MSM are running around commenting. Funny hearing them, and not only in English. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 25 2022 11:32 utc | 387 The logical response to the UK’s operation to detonate a nuclear device in or near the conflict zone, is that Russia declares war on the UK. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 25 2022 11:39 utc | 388 Prigozhin addressing Washington Post: Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 11:42 utc | 389 @Richard Steven Hack 390 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 25 2022 11:45 utc | 390 Incompetence by Russia keeps on … Posted by: CM of Berlin | Oct 25 2022 11:46 utc | 391 German President Steinmeier visited Kiev again – totally by surprise. His visit last week gt cancelled due to security cncerns. Posted by: Martina | Oct 25 2022 11:47 utc | 392 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 11:26 utc | 390 Posted by: Jax | Oct 25 2022 11:48 utc | 393 Down South @ 329 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 11:56 utc | 394 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 11:26 utc | 390
The important part is “Russia will regard the use of a dirty bomb by Kiev as an act of NUCLEAR TERRORISM, calls on West to influence the Kiev regime to ABANDON plans for such a provocation”. Posted by: Jax | Oct 25 2022 12:04 utc | 395 Richard Steven Hack Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 25 2022 12:08 utc | 396 Lex @ 387
Or that the carrier will be there. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 25 2022 12:10 utc | 397 Hermit @ 391 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 25 2022 12:11 utc | 398 Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 11:26 utc | 390 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 25 2022 12:13 utc | 399 ⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (25 October 2022) Posted by: Summary | Oct 25 2022 12:15 utc | 400 |
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