So now the UK has a new prime minister for its extreme right wing government that rules the people as if they were colonial subjects to use and to bleed dry.

Posted by: Ray | Oct 24 2022 21:07 utc | 204

I do not believe the aim here is to justify US military intervention. It is again to push further the isolation of Russia and to thereby achieve the economic destruction of the country. The danger is that Russia responds directly against US-UK decision-making centers. The US is betting that if Russia DOES respond it will respond against Kiev. This would actually benefit US interests as it would FURTHER isolate Russia and confirm all the intelligence reports dating back a few months that Russia was going to use a nuclear bomb. The US is betting that Moscow doesn’t have the balls to respond directly against UK-US targets. It’s a very risky bet.
Posted by: WJ | Oct 24 2022 17:13 utc | 126
I disagree with you that “the aim here is [not] to justify US military intervention.” I think the point of a dirty bomb is to blame it on Russia, and the arguments made by some on this site about the effectiveness of a dirty bomb misses the whole point. Ukraine wants to bring in NATO and, if possible, US military forces to save it from a real ass-kicking this winter. The US and the EU also know this is going to happen and the dirty bomb is just an invitation, i.e. an excuse for any outside armed forces to enter the conflict directly and save Ukraine’s butt.
The same applies to dam busting and attacks on the ZNPP by Ukraine. No matter how obvious it is that Ukraine is doing these things, the Western MSM will convince the average US, UK, and EU citizen that Russia did it, and western intervention will be “necessary” to protect the Baltic NATO countries from the Russian monsters led by the mad man Putin. The IAEA will verify there is radiation from a dirty bomb and then Katie bar the door.
The question is who will accept the invitation, and who is secretly assisting with the plan. Will it help Biden win the midterm elections? If so, it better happen soon. Also, will a good old blood and guts war help the British conservatives take people’s mind of their economic problems, such as high inflation, and high fuel cost? What alternative does the West have to prevent the complete collapse of the Ukraine Nazi state?

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 24 2022 21:11 utc | 206

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 24 2022 20:57 utc | 201
«where there is no peace contract there is no law dont forget that;)»
Peace treaties are just pieces of paper, “ubi major minor cessat”. There are various surrender treaties for Germany, Italy, Japan, (and Hungary, Romania, …) and they are rumoured to have secret clauses, one of them being that Germany, Italy, Japan will remain in the USA sphere of influence for 99 year (“limited sovereignty”).
Of course what matters is the USA elites control their own markets and the markets of many large countries, and of countries that supply raw materials vital to all european countries, and the USA navy controls and can stop all the sea routes through which Europe trades. The USA elites have a choke-hold on Europe, and can also inflict massive damage on China, which is not self-sufficient in essentials to the degree the Russian Federation is.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War/Book_5
“we shall not trouble you with specious pretences — either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us — and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
I am pro-american in the sense that I think that being USA vassals for european countries is both still inevitable and has some advantages, not because I think the USA is the shining beacon of goodwill and democracy. But I think that a totally submissive “I am with you, whatever” attitude like that of the UK is excessive, there are margins of flexibility in being a vassal.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 24 2022 21:16 utc | 208

Kiev’s provocation using a dirty bomb can be carried out with support of Western countries, Russia will regard the use of a dirty bomb by Kiev as an act of NUCLEAR TERRORISM, calls on West to influence the Kiev regime to ABANDON plans for such a provocation – Russian Permanent Representative to UN Nebenzya in a letter to UN Secretary General.
Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov said that Moscow has VERIFIED information that Ukraine is preparing a dirty bomb.
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/7451

Posted by: Jax | Oct 24 2022 21:25 utc | 210

I don’t see the Democrats getting any help in the midterm elections from a further escalation in Ukraine, probably the opposite.
Besides the partisan cheerleaders and the army of paid trolls, Ukraine isn’t high on the list of voting priorities…avoiding nuclear war is more popular than escalation.
They even have the shills making circuits talking about how nuclear war wouldn’t be that bad. Check out Neil DeGraw Tyson on Bill Mauer…it is a pathetic display! That is what scares me, we are at the point where they are trying to sell nuclear war.

Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 24 2022 21:28 utc | 212

Posted by: jayc | Oct 24 2022 20:39 utc | 195
Re. Nato “red line in Odessa”, that’s not really what is going to happen. UAF is currently banging its head against a wall with big losses, and have already for several months. It may last another year – who knows. But eventually they have had enough and at that point the whole house of cards will collapse.
You can over-stimulate the body but only for so long and eventually you crash even harder. UAF is going on steroids, and not that many brains.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 24 2022 21:31 utc | 214

Pepe Escobar’s latest, “The ‘War of Terror’ may be about to hit Europe”, can’t be completely understood unless you read Crooke’s latest from yesterday, “Borrell’s Exculpatory Plea: ‘So Many Black Swans — How Could We Have Seen Crisis Coming?'”, or read/heard Borrell’s statement via media. And I’m sure Crooke will add to the issue when his weekly SCF essay gets published, which just recently happened, “The Many Interwoven ‘Wars’ – A Rough Guide Through the Fog”. His opening lines:
“We now have an embarrassment of ‘wars’ of which paradoxically, Ukraine is perhaps of lesser strategic import – though it does retain significant symbolic content. A ‘flag’ around which narratives are spun and support rallied.
“Yes, there are no less than five overlapping and interlinked ‘wars’ underway – and they need to be clearly differentiated to be well understood.”
I wonder if he includes what I deemed the Big Picture earlier in the thread? Of course, he does; how could someone like him miss what’s glaringly obvious? And we read Crooke channeling Hudson. And I’ve only just begun reading it; so, I’ll post this comment, finish reading, then post another.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2022 21:43 utc | 216

For now I am going to take it as rumor but the report is Naryshkin of FSB has gone public as well and the dirty bomb is not the only item on the agenda. Complete breakdown in progress. I am starting to wonder if this is cocaine talking or if they are really ready to go out in fire.
We will know soon enough.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 24 2022 21:46 utc | 218

NATO rejects Russia’s ‘dirty bomb’ allegations
‘Russia must not use it as a pretext for escalation,’ says NATO chief, following similar denials by US, France, and Britain
They just reject everything and escalate.
They now how weak Russia is.

Posted by: marko | Oct 24 2022 21:49 utc | 220

Narko, are you a Finnish nihilist? You sound like one.
Posted by: Jusses | Oct 24 2022 20:20 utc | 189
Yes, I am a nihilst, but not Finnish.

Posted by: marko | Oct 24 2022 21:54 utc | 222

Those playing along–the vassals–are merely willing dupes–pawns/tools–and if they end up dead, so what.
That is it Karl, that is it. To watch the way the brainwashed go to their deaths… It gets to me. My anger is for those that do the brainwashing. All wrapped in pretty words like democracy, human rights, and climate change. The mainstream media has gone beyond ludicrous with Zelensky says this, Ukraine says that, but none of the sheeple around me bother to say ‘what the fuck is going on here’

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 24 2022 22:01 utc | 224

If NATO tries the dirty bomb trick there is a very good chance Russia and China respond immediately with a full nuclear attack. 2000 nukes will fly immediately, most towards the USA with Isreal and Europe receiving a fair share.
Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 24 2022 21:58 utc | 226
Why would China die for Russia?

Posted by: marko | Oct 24 2022 22:06 utc | 226

«but none of the sheeple around me bother to say ‘what the fuck is going on here’»
I think that there are quite a few people who do get it, from talking confidentially with people I know, but they are terrified, especially if middle class, of losing their careers, jobs, properties, bank accounts, given extremely harsh (and often enforced) wartime laws in most NATO countries.
It is just self preservation, the ancient greeks had a saying “lathè biosas” (live unnoticed [by the authorities]), and the chinese have curiously enough the same saying, both for thousands of years. Whether it is the emperor, the president, the PM, or their minions, it is often dangerous to come to their attention for “disloyalty”. “We have always been at war with East Asia”…
“The nail that sticks out will be hammered”
“It is hard to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it”.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 24 2022 22:17 utc | 228

Well, first off, Crooke has no mention of the dirty bomb FF possibility. Instead, he sticks to more likely possibilities/probabilities. Much relies on the outcome of Neoliberal elite squabbling, but then the squabbling is dependent on other factors. (One very clear misunderstanding I read from many commentators is they think NATO has plenty of forces to enter the war against Russia when the opposite is the case.) The music is about ready to stop but all the chairs were removed from the room. In other words, it’s a Clusterfuck. It’s as if the Western world is being subjected to a Stress Test of its own making but it can’t mount the treadmill. And that would be a systemic break, while others lurk. I now expect the mid-terms to cause another. At this time, I’m quite happy not to be living East of the 100th Meridian where the coming election chaos will be blamed on Russia instead of the domestic criminals in the Duopoly.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2022 22:19 utc | 230

Hermit @ 231
On impact DU ignites and aerosolizes. Two clicks away, verify to your hearts content. Burns very hot, ‘good’ for ignition of fuel and ammo. Which handles dispersal quite well.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 24 2022 22:23 utc | 232

«for its extreme right wing government that rules the people as if they were colonial subjects to use and to bleed dry.»
While 20-40% of the population, not just the 1%, have made fortunes and have enjoyed rapidly rising living standards for 40 years thanks to booming property prices and rents, entirely redistributed from the servant classes.
The right-winger’s manual was written quite clearly 3 centuries, and it is startlingly clear:
http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/846
B. De Mandeville “Essay on charity” (1724)
“The Plenty and Cheapness of Provisions depends in a great measure on the Price and Value that is set upon this Labour, and consequently the Welfare of all Societies, even before they are tainted with Foreign Luxury, requires that it should be perform’d by such of their Members as in the first Place are sturdy and robust and never used to Ease or Idleness, and in the second, soon contented as to the necessaries of Life; such as are glad to take up with the coursest Manufacture in every thing they wear, and in their Diet have no other aim than to feed their Bodies when their Stomachs prompt them to eat, and with little regard to Taste or Relish, refuse no wholesome Nourishment that can be swallow’d when Men are Hungry, or ask any thing for their Thirst but to quench it. […] If such People there must be, as no great Nation can be happy without vast Numbers of them, would not a Wise Legislature cultivate the Breed of them with all imaginable Care, and provide against their Scarcity as he would prevent the Scarcity of Provision it self? No Man would be poor and fatigue himself for a Livelihood if he could help it:
The absolute necessity all stand in for Victuals and Drink, and in cold Climates for Clothes and Lodging, makes them submit to any thing that can be bore with. If no body did Want no body would work; but the greatest Hardships are look’d upon as solid Pleasures, when they keep a Man from Starving.
From what has been said, it is manifest, that, in a free nation, where slaves are not allowed of, the surest wealth consists in a multitude of laborious poor; for besides, that they are the never-failing nursery of fleets and armies, without them there could be no enjoyment, and no product of any country could be valuable.
To make the society happy and people easier under the meanest circumstances, it is requisite that great numbers of them should be ignorant as well as poor; knowledge both enlarges and multiplies our desires, and the fewer things a man wishes for, the more easily his necessities may be supplied.”

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 24 2022 22:24 utc | 234

This is interesting about the Iranian turbines which went right by me, I had no idea how critical an issue it was. BTW this is a solid channel better than first glance would indicate, have been following it since before the war and more often than not came away with an insight or two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf8ymXQNjaw

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 24 2022 22:27 utc | 236

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 24 2022 21:18 utc | 212
«what to do from here? 😀 we are all young souls»
Vladimir Ilich (Ulianov) wrote a very apposite pamphlet, “Sto Delat” (“What to do”) where he opposed both opportunism and adventurism. Great advice, as long as one can decide which is which :-).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_to_Be_Done%3F
I think that in the current situation where the USA is still very powerful and the USA Navy has worldwide control of the oceans a bit of “bending over” is necessary, “adventurism” (Lybia, Syria, Bolivia, Venezuela, …) gets a country sanctioned and regime-changed.
Some countries (Trump’s “shitholes”) are largely ignored by the USA because they are worthless both as to technology and natural resources; some countries, like most european ones, are without natural resources but have technology, so the USA want them to be vassals, but not banana republics. Within that state of vassalage some countries after WW2 have been allowed to have social-democratic and even semi-neutral governments, as long they absolutely created no trouble. That’s the choice made by Korea-south, Singapore, Èire, Austria, etc.; it takes skill to get some more autonomy under USA vassalage, but it is not that hard. That’s what I think is achievable. Of course not for resource-rich non-technological countries that are controlled harshly by the USA via local tyrants. Countries that are both technological and have significant natural resources (e.g. Iran, RF, PRC) are *anathema*, natural enemies. Eventually it will be the turn of India to be surrounded, isolated and split-up.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 24 2022 22:39 utc | 238

Re: Posted by: marko | Oct 24 2022 11:45 utc | 6
What I don’t understand – if Russia are worried about all these possibilities – why are they dragging out this conflict over months and months and months?!?
Why are they taking it so slow? Russia hasn’t had an advance of note since early July – almost 4 months ago!
During the last 4 months all we’ve had are Ukrainian gains – zero Russian gains.
I can’t understand how Russia thinks that dragging this conflict out for months and years is in their interest and at the same time be warning about actions that Ukraine might take which become more and more likely the longer the conflict is dragged out!
If you’re really concerned about these things – take the conflict seriously, achieve your aims promptly, and end the conflict on your own terms.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 24 2022 22:59 utc | 240

I am hesitant to post amidst the giants of this bar but will risk it anyways.
Some stuff doesnt really add up.
Firstly: add this point in time it really doesnt matter any more how a dirty bomb is built and if its ingredients can be linked to russia. We are well beyond these considerations. If the public believes in russians who attack their own nuclear pp/dams in order to kill the maximum number of russian ppl and devastate the most russian territory in order to have an opportunity to escalate although no reason for escalation is needed… you dont care about public opinion any more.
Secondly: the dems will lose the midterms no matter what. The only strategy to come out on top is massive domestic fraud. No foreign policy issue will help them at all.
Thirdly: things have not changed militarily in the west. No in a hurry produced hundreds of tanks, no secret wonderweapons dug in in 1945 suddenly appeared in germany, no million men armies have been found in the czech republic etc. If the assessment is correct that the west cant win a convrntional war in ukraine and that ammunition and gear is running low in europe and in the USA what does a dirty bomb change? If russia goes on conventionaly (intensified) nothing changes. If it steps it up to nuclear warfare its game over for everybody (same situation as before)
Only a fool can think that russia will back off because of it.
But a dirty bomb will NOT prolongue the conflict but shorten it either way.
So what is the benefit of the dirty bomb scenario? (Why would the russians use a dirty one anyways. They have thousands of “clean” nuclear bombs.) More money from europe and the US for UA? Is it so that the populations take more suffering? I really think we are beyond these considerations. They will send as money as they want. The populace isnt even a pawn on the chessboard.
What for? The only explanation is insanity.

Posted by: Orgel | Oct 24 2022 23:09 utc | 242

«while radioactivity can be absorbed or reflected, a nuclear weapon, even an improvised “dirty bomb” cannot be hidden from modern sensors without massive shielding which would make mobility difficult.»
I have only read public sources, and my impression is that modern weapons can be quite small (e.g. 1/3 of an artillery shell) can have quite small amounts of fissile material (and there are legends of fusion devices without any fissile material, but they may be quite big), and a government can easily afford exotic shielding/absorbing materials anyhow, and to put a miniature weapon (40Kg, 11m long cylinder) inside a well shielded container. This is all speculation, but based on public sources and known sizes of weapons and quantities of materials. For example ADM (mines) weapons seem to have been designed to be undetectable and carried by special forces…
I guess that the improvised weapons are far more detectable because they are not cleverly engineered, but I suspect that major government weapon designers have done very clever things with nearly unlimited budgets.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 24 2022 23:22 utc | 244

The Ukraine Nazi Government is actually a Jew Government.
I guess most already know that Zelensky is a Jew.
You may not know that the Jew Ihor Kolomoyskyi funds these Nazis (Azov & Pravyi sektor).
You probably know that the worldwide Jew media supports these Nazis to the hilt.
You probably know that the Jew Joseph Biden and the Jew neo-cohens in the U.S. support these Nazis to the hilt, etc, etc.
You probably know that the religious Jew Victoria Nuland (U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs) choose (the Jew) Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be the next Prime Minister of Ukraine in a phone call to US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, made shortly before the 2014 coup.
You probably know that the 2014 coup government found positions for Arseniy Yatsenyuk (Prime Minister of Ukraine, 27 February 2014), and (the Jew) Vitali Klitschko (Mayor of Kiev, 25 May 2014) but no position was found for the (supposed) neo-Nazi Oleh Tyahnybok (Svoboda Party leader) when he lost his position in the parliament some months later (October 2014).
So much for the fable of neo-Nazi’s taking over Ukraine in a right-wing coup. The neo-Nazis just provided a smoke screen for the Jew takeover.
Can you really believe that neo-Nazi’s took over Ukraine,… I can’t.
And the Jew agents keep talking about neo-Nazis running Ukraine.

Posted by: un censored | Oct 24 2022 23:29 utc | 246

Julian | Oct 24 2022 22:59 utc | 244
“During the last 4 months all we’ve had are Ukrainian gains – zero Russian gains.” Learn Attrition ratios. Read about the strategy behind the battle of Kursk.
As for the time frame, the ukroids are nothing more than consumables. The war will end when Russia defeated five-eyes. We created Ukraine as a weapon to use against Russia, but Russia has turned that into a black hole that will swallow the west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 24 2022 23:34 utc | 248

Wow, Don Bacon @75, thanks for posting some US/NATO propaganda to overcome the prized information that Down South posts here.
We living in the west never get to hear the US/NATO spin, so it’s important for you to post it here “for balance”.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 24 2022 23:39 utc | 250

Neil DeGraw Tyson on Bill Mauer…it is a pathetic display! That is what scares me, we are at the point where they are trying to sell nuclear war.
Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 24 2022 21:28 utc | 215

Did you mean Neil deGrasse Tyson?

Posted by: David Levin | Oct 24 2022 23:46 utc | 252

@ Orgel | Oct 24 2022 23:09 utc | 246
insanity sounds about right… its impossible to understand insanity, so it fits…
@ DR-Montreal | Oct 24 2022 23:37 utc | 253
there is that too, and i agree with your conclusion on russias response either way..

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2022 23:55 utc | 254

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Posted by: Hermit | Oct 24 2022 22:10 utc | 231
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@blues 196
Utter tosh of the first water.
You don’t get a nuclear detonation without fissile material.
Depleted Uranium is just Uranium with a much lower percentage of lower content of the radioactive isotope of Uranium U235 than natural Uranium. […]
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Please get your digital pee out of my digital ink.
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Posted by: blues | Oct 24 2022 20:44 utc | 197
[….]
If they were using actual depleted uranium we would not be receiving reports of people dyeing in large numbers from radiation poisoning. They are not using depleted uranium at all. They are actually using highly enriched uranium in the shells, which cause small nuclear detonations when they are compressed upon impacting hard targets. They really are ‘mini’-tactical nuclear bombs. […]
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How stupid do you think MoA readers are?

Posted by: blues | Oct 24 2022 23:59 utc | 256

For all those saying Russia is losing etc., have a read of this comment that was on today’s open thread at http://www.thesaker.is :
Larchmonter445 on October 24, 2022 · at 4:50 pm EST/EDT
The War: Putin has NATO where he wants them.
They stuck a toe in helping train and arm the Ukies before the war.
They stepped deeper with advanced weapons systems trafficked to Ukraine from all over the NATO bloc.
They are now waist deep in the Big Muddy, caught where they cannot back out and have nothing much left to add to the battle.
They are using Ukie uniforms to cover NATO troops, not just mercs and volunteers. Whole units of Poles and Liths are (half of them killed already) in chest deep.
NATO is discovering that without air dominance, their militaries are merely targets.
Putin wants NATO to bring more to the battle zone.
General Staff is disarming NATO, tank by tank, artillery by artillery, air defense by air defense. What they lose in the Ukraine, they lose from at home.
Soon they will have nothing of a land force but their LGBTQ battalions who are Pride Parade-ready but cannot fight this war.
So, slowly, as the Ukies are attrited, NATO is attrited. And as NATO is attrited, so is the US attrited.
This realization has not escaped the West. This is why they are moving with a terror war.
They want to call it an insurgency, but they still have a government in Kiev, so that doesn’t hold.
They are waging a terror war in Ukraine, in Russia and in the Baltic Sea (NS-1, NS-2) and wherever they can get an IED or explosive placed that will kill Russians. (Belgorod, Kursk, Kherson, Donetsk, Mariupol, Sevastopol)
The war against NATO is going so well, the UK and Ukies are building a dirty bomb to try to reverse the inevitable.
The war is going so well, and the Russians have not even started their main offensive.
All this is in the General Staff’s Operational Plan. It is what Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov designed to end the NATO thrust eastward using Ukraine and Aegis Ashore missile launchers in Romania, Poland and probably Ukraine if the SMO had not begun.
Russia will get its security. The US will lose most of NATO and all of Ukraine.
The Big Muddy in the black soil of Ukraine is where the West’s military hegemony is doomed to die.

Posted by: PJB | Oct 25 2022 0:10 utc | 258

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 24 2022 19:40 utc | 179
I know NATO can’t “win” a war with Russia – but they can still start one. That’s the problem. The only thing stopping these EU lapdogs of the US from going along with the US and Brussels neocon plan will be if they still have any generals left who can tell them forcefully that it’s not going to work and they’re not going to go along with it. The same applies to the US – the only force that can stop Biden and the neocons from starting a war between NATO and Russia is the Pentagon.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 25 2022 0:23 utc | 260

Search for Dead Hand vs. Dead Brain or “tragedоssiya” it’s a great article.

Posted by: tanuki | Oct 25 2022 0:26 utc | 262

@Petri Krohn | Oct 24 2022 16:06 utc | 100

The media is the dirty bomb
The purpose of the Ukrainian “dirty bomb” would be to simulate a Russian tactical nuclear weapon. Detonation of the devise would be followed by the entry of the US 101st Airborne Division into Odessa.
I expect the false-flag attack to happen somewhere in Nikolayev. The city is already being evacuated for this purpose. The device would consist of several used fuel rods from some Ukrainian nuclear power plant and up to 1000 tons of explosive…

Gonzalo Lira makes the same conclusions:

2022.10.24 The Americans Are Evil

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 25 2022 0:38 utc | 264

RSH @264–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, agreed. Up thread I wrote that I agreed with Larry Johnson about the Pentagon stopping Obama in Syria and that they’ll need to stop Biden too. The Outlaw US Empire can’t win versus either Russia or China, and probably not India either, although it could out nuke the latter. Yes, it can start wars as it already has with Russia and China. As I wrote last week, if the Empire sticks to using hybrid means against both it has a slim chance of coming to a draw; otherwise, it will lose as it no longer is resource dominant.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2022 0:51 utc | 266

MFer says:
1. “”Dirty” bombs are psychological area denial (AD) weapons… attempt to place an area in a psychological “no-go” status. The radiation is basically harmless.”
When explained that, no, dirty bombs ARE lethal weapons (although not immediately lethal), he says: “Nice try with the straw man argument. Just more psuedo-intellectualism.”
Claiming that dirty bombs are psychological and radiation is harmless is not different from saying that anti-personnel mines are not lethal because they are used to prevent people from going to the mined places. It is well-documented that Ukies do use anti-personnel mines against civilians in Donbass. Must be “psychological” warfare… tell that to people with blown-off legs.
2. “Pu239 and Cesium 137 are components of nuclear weapons.”
Which basically shows that MFer is totally clueless. Cs137 is NOT a component of nuclear bombs or warheads. It’s a common product of U235 fission (rather than decay). Most Pu is NOT useful in nuclear bombs either (needs to be enriched enough) and anyway it was used as an example of how the same radioactive element can be both safe and very dangerous depending on its form.
(BTW, the correction: Cs137 is excreted from tissues in 2-3 months, I confused it with another common uranium fission product, Strontium-90 which does accumulate in bones and stays for years causing bone marrow cancers and such.)
3.”Medical radiation and a radiological dispersal device (dirty bomb) are two different things.”
Category error fallacy. Radiation (of any kind) and weapons (of any kind) are totally different categories, so comparing them is nonsense. A dirty bomb can use the same radioactive materials as used in medical/agricultural sources, and in fact many proposed small-scale dirty bomb designs are explicitly built from medical sources.
4. “A dirty bomb works completely differently and cannot create a nuclear yield.”
Nobody argued against the fact that a fission bomb produces RAPID fission of radioactive elements resulting in massive release of energy while dirty bombs are SLOW-acting. Now, time for physics 101: the spontaneous radioactive decay produces roughly the same amount of energy (in form of ionizing radiation) as neutron-capture induced fission, only over much longer time. The law of conservation of energy-mass sees to it.
Anyway, for the same amount of radiation released dirty bombs can have much higher lethality over time – it all depends on where and how the radiation gets to the living cells. There’s a reason why Hiroshima is a safe and prosperous city and has been re-inhabited pretty soon after A-bombing, while nobody (except maybe some old folks who are past caring) lives around Chernobyl or Fukushima despite massive de-contamination efforts going on for years. Blown nuclear reactors are dirty bombs.
Radiation isn’t even the most important part of why large-scale nuclear war is so bad so as to be unthinkable (to anyone who is not a psychopath) – it is soot which is the biosphere-killer (in the upper layers of atmosphere where it is not quickly washed down to the ground in rain droplets). Also… most damage to the target cities in nuclear explosions is not done by radiation, it is the shock wave from the blast and fires after the explosion which do most of the damage.
A propos… there is absolutely NO way a dirty bomb explosion can be confused with a tactical nuke explosion. Nuclear explosions are immediately visible to cameras on satellites, produce massive gamma and neutron fluxes (also easily detectable), and a simple spectroscopic lab analysis will easily tell one from another from air samples hundreds of miles away (neutron capture-induced fission goes through a different chain of decays). So… the only reasons for Ukies to blow up a dirty bomb are to goad Moscow into nuclear escalation (which may trigger direct NATO response – though it is highly unlikely Moscow will take the bait) or to make the captured territories to become useless. Both goals are totally psychotic, and both are completely in-character – after all Ukies are already actively trying to create wide-area radioactive contamination by shelling ZNPP. (Note that a big enough dirty bomb will contaminate Black Sea as well.)

Posted by: averros | Oct 25 2022 1:01 utc | 268

Why do you think that all of a sudden, supporters of “both sides” of the Ukraine conflict are only talking about dirty bombs?
Who gave the order to “both sides” to switch to this topic?
Interesting that “both sides” now only talk dirty bombs.
To understand the Ukraine-Russia war you have to understand the second world war.
To understand the second world war you need to read this article:
http:// pre earth .net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1175
REMOVE the spaces from the URL
You need to know that HITLER was a DOUBLE AGENT.
There is also an informative article on the COVID SCAM on the same page.

Posted by: un censored | Oct 25 2022 1:12 utc | 270

How stupid do you think MoA readers are?
Posted by: blues | Oct 24 2022 23:59 utc | 260
Not stupid enough to believe your tosh, hopefully. Depleted uranium shells do not produce a nuclear reaction. They are not “mini tactical nuclear bombs”…not even close.
Depleted uranium increases penetrative power, this is due to density, not radioactive properties, good for taking out armor. A small amount of radioactive material does get released, which contributes to thyroid issues and various cancers.
You have obviously never been around a tank hit by a depleted uranium shell. The damage is very similar to that of what a normal tank shell does. The entry holes(when one can be found) are a little cleaner, that is it.

Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 25 2022 1:27 utc | 272

That Russia is calling the West and making the media aware would suggest Ukraine probably does have something afoot, and of course it is backed by the West. Russia logically has no reason to set this off themselves as the war is going well for them. Russia seems to not want escalation with NATO, however their phone calls were either to say to a rational enemy please stop Ukraine from doing this, or to to an irrational enemy to advise they would regard it as a nuclear attack by the West and will respond in kind.
Truth is we have no way of knowing how they would respond and what it could lead to.

Posted by: Organic | Oct 25 2022 1:46 utc | 274

The other day I read Crooke artcile borrells-exculpatory-plea:-so-many-black-swans—-how-could
and now today at SC the-many-interwoven-wars-a-rough-guide-through-the-fog/ as well as Escobar here War-Terror-Europe-Pepe-Escobar
Has anyone else read these, and if so do you feel any better informed / knowledgeable (better enlightened) than you were beforehand (as opposed to being simply ‘entertained’ for a few minutes)? Because I am at a loss myself or what use these might be. Do you know what they are trying to report/say in these articles?
If you actually find them useful, see some news you hadn’t got elsewhere already, and/or get something out of them please let me know, I’d like hear what that is.
PS I paused before sending to think about what I was asking. One possible answer I had was people might rely on these guys and similar to fill in the gaps, without needing to spend time looking at multiple sources, and if so that’s fair enough I can understand that. Similar to why people read staff opinion writers in the msm news and selected talking heads via youtube etc. Which is fine of course. But I still don’t get what these two are saying/mean.
I also read Escobars article at zh escobar-peaceful-modernization-chinas-offering-global-south about Xi’s speech at the CPC meeting and some “the hidden message “. I could not see many similarities / relevance between that and what Xi actually said (see text). They appeared disconnected imho. In that Escobar, seems to me, is embellishing what Xi actual said and meant. Has anyone else seen it like that, or am I off with the faeries and jumping at shadows or something like that?
Because, if I am missing something important, then I would like to know about it. Thanks
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Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 2:12 utc | 276

Just FYI, here is the decay curve for the fission products from an actual nuclear weapon.
https://www.atomicarchive.com/resources/documents/effects/glasstone-dolan/chapter9.html
Any radioactive material from a dirty bomb will decay far less rapidly because it needs to have a rather long half-life so that it can be produced in a nuclear reactor or accelerator then delivered to the target. The Polonium-210 isotope that so many of Putin’s enemies die from and nobody except Russia produces must be delivered from the reactor to target within only a few weeks. (It is an elegant, defiant message)

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Oct 25 2022 2:18 utc | 278

Is there a million man NATO army ready to march into Ukraine? How about 250,00? What’s the actual combat contingent NATO can field and supply in less than 3 months? A dirty bomb isn’t to bring Nato directly into any conventional war because it simply can’t. It surely has more capability than it appears to on the surface, but it’s not going to charge over any hills like the cavalry.
Bankova may think that would happen, but Zelensky’s regime lives in its own world sustained by ideology, whispers of CIA/MI6 and cocaine. A few people in DC and London think it’s reality, but they’re only different from Bankova in total amount of blow.
The best hope would be that it creates world condemnation of Russia (not anymore because it’s not a surprise) or that Russia backs down for the sake of stability and an end to the madman stupidity (but Russia can’t and Kiev demands everything and Crimea). So a dirty bomb provocation doesn’t really change anything except a full declaration that the west is insane.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 25 2022 2:29 utc | 280

My guess about dirty bombs?
Not going to happen, period. It’s all Psyops Spin Propaganda and diplomatic BS not worth talking about or thinking about.
Orgel | Oct 24 2022 23:09 utc | 246
Yes, I agree. Insanity is the only thing which fits.
Skiffer | Oct 24 2022 23:29 utc | 249
Yep, I agree, none of the current bs verbiage makes any sense at all.
Julian | Oct 24 2022 22:59 utc | 244
I don’t understand it either. Hopefully someone in Russia does and they got their planning/scenario right, but I still do not see it. None of what has happened in Ukraine from Russia’s pov since Feb 24 makes any logical sense at all. Obviously their plans changed, how many times, who knows.
And how Russia ever extricates itself from a non-stop insurgency/terrorist attacks / Full Scale Operation Gladio by NATO ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvrPvV-KQo ) across their borders from a rump-Ukraine is anyone’s guess.
Bar a few outliers she’ll never be trading with the EU/Nato or the aligned West/OECD in the foreseeable future.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 2:44 utc | 282

Putin wants NATO to bring more to the battle zone.
General Staff is disarming NATO, tank by tank, artillery by artillery, air defense by air defense. What they lose in the Ukraine, they lose from at home.
Soon they will have nothing of a land force but their LGBTQ battalions who are Pride Parade-ready but cannot fight this war.
So, slowly, as the Ukies are attrited, NATO is attrited. And as NATO is attrited, so is the US attrited.
This realization has not escaped the West. This is why they are moving with a terror war.
They want to call it an insurgency, but they still have a government in Kiev, so that doesn’t hold.
They are waging a terror war in Ukraine, in Russia and in the Baltic Sea (NS-1, NS-2) and wherever they can get an IED or explosive placed that will kill Russians. (Belgorod, Kursk, Kherson, Donetsk, Mariupol, Sevastopol)
The war against NATO is going so well, the UK and Ukies are building a dirty bomb to try to reverse the inevitable.
The war is going so well, and the Russians have not even started their main offensive.
All this is in the General Staff’s Operational Plan. It is what Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov designed to end the NATO thrust eastward using Ukraine and Aegis Ashore missile launchers in Romania, Poland and probably Ukraine if the SMO had not begun.
Russia will get its security. The US will lose most of NATO and all of Ukraine.
The Big Muddy in the black soil of Ukraine is where the West’s military hegemony is doomed to die.
Finally….. someone…. understands….
Operation Bagration II began last February….
Destination Berlin!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 25 2022 2:47 utc | 284

james | Oct 24 2022 23:52 utc | 257 – “i am like @ Skiffer | Oct 24 2022 23:29 utc | 249 in not seeing this as a reason for them to enter ukraine, but maybe i am wrong.”
To be clear, the deployment of NATO troops (under Webb’s scenario as I understand it) is not for the purpose of combat. Whatever form the false flag/manufactured disaster takes, it will be used as a pretext for something like a US/NATO peacekeeping force (whatever that means) or maybe some kind of security force in the case of Zaporizhzhia NPP attack. A Cossack militia from Cossack Island (Dnipro) in Zaporizhzhia city has some murky role in this I don’t fully understand. Some other kind of separatist rebellion fighting both Ukraine and Russia. Maybe they’re the ones that take the nuclear plant and the US decides to go in and save the day. George probably explains this much better in his podcasts and web site.
The whole point is not to provoke Russia with the insertion of US/NATO troops (because Russia is ‘in’ on it) but to terrify both the NATO, Ukraine and Russian public so they all demand immediate negotiations to avoid WWIII. All sides’ leaders certainly do have the problem of getting buy-in for any less-than-ideal solution by their respective publics. A problem easily solved by manufacturing an immediate, big crisis that the leaders can then appear to resolve with great effort through intense negotiations, thus saving mankind. Yay! Our heroes. Nobel Prizes all around!
Like I said, I accept the possibility of such a scheme not on it’s own merits or Webb’s commendable efforts, but because it explains things that both NATO and Russia have done or not done that make no sense right now.
I don’t like smoky backroom schemes like this at all – I’m not condoning it in the least and hope it doesn’t happen. I just contemplating the possibility of it occurring at all. Bizarre way to end the war, but ending it is always good. Trouble is that these kind of things can go south very quickly. My reply to one of Webb’s tweets on this that mentioned Petraeus as a negotiator:

Here’s the problem, George: NEVER underestimate the Pentagon bottom-feeders (includes Petraeus) ability to royally screw this up. Escalation only as planned – *everyone’s* in on the plan – except some random worried Russian nuke sub commander compelled to level London. Oops.

To which Webb replied:

Yes, that’s a possibility. But I the Peace Deal is going through.

It’s a sad world indeed when I’m less worried about WWIII and far more worried about my incompetent leaders annihilating mankind because they screw up some elaborate scheme like this. We truly live in clownworld. Beep beep.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 25 2022 2:53 utc | 286

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 24 2022 20:52 utc | 199
A complicit government doesn’t have to even make minimal fissile material -to get bombs through. It just switches off , or fudges its own security cameras/sensors that are “at every street corner ”.
Just like any one or all of , Germany,Sweden and Denmark that either allowed and /or knew about the sabotage of Nordstream , and kept mum about it. Where did that missing 50 metre section of pipe go? Hmm?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 25 2022 3:07 utc | 288

Posted by: PJB | Oct 25 2022 0:10 utc | 262
Interesting take. I don’t believe this was initially a primary objective, at least. Yet it begs to be asked, who is honeypotting who.
We all know Nato objective was to fight “guerrilla war”. Regardless, I can believe that Nato doesn’t like fighting in this position without air superiority at all, and their more or less fixed and low-mobility expensive toys all being blown away by relatively cheap flying “mopeds”, invisible to radars and hard to shoot down without sortieing valuable aircraft.
History is history, what’s now is now. Baltics + Polands certainly have invested pretty much past the “critical mass” of their economic and social livelihoods into this war. They are the primary contesters in Ukraine. They also happen to be the most likely opponents and cannon fodder Nato planned to use in any case. If they are all in Ukraine (dis-advantaged from Nato doctrine of air superiority), this might help things in the future against these primary cannon fodder candidates.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 25 2022 3:10 utc | 290

I am puzzled.
All this talk of if, and when Ukraine/MI6 will set off a dirty bomb. The Russians know who, where and how, so surely Russia can, “neutralize” them as they say in standard issue spy movies. Why wait for them to do anything, why wait for them to assemble it? Ridiculous.
Posted by: Bonami | Oct 24 2022 15:49 utc | 89
And why don’t you give Russia your phone number or e-mail address, then they can keep you updated with their plans ? Did you say”ridiculous”?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Oct 25 2022 3:21 utc | 292

Posted by: tanuki | Oct 25 2022 0:26 utc | 266 and James @ 267,
Thank you for sharing that post!! That sums up and completely aligns with all my thought on the events that have happened since the start of the SMO. It is a brilliant work! Thanks again!

Posted by: scuppers | Oct 25 2022 3:41 utc | 294

The Ukraine gambit appears to be an attempt to replay the second world war.
1933: We have a Jew takeover of Germany disguised as a Nazi takeover.
The takeover occurred when the Jew Hitler assumed dictatorial powers.
Leads to war against the Soviet Union.
2014: We have a Jew takeover of Ukraine disguised as a neo-Nazi takeover.
The takeover is already complete (except in the east).
Leads to war against Russia.
Of course, you need to know that Hitler was a double agent.
For that read;
http://pre earth .net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174
REMOVE the spaces from the URL

Posted by: un censored | Oct 25 2022 3:45 utc | 296

🚀 About the Sphere space system
The Soyuz-2.1b rocket was launched from the Vostochny launch site yesterday. According to official data, it put into orbit four military satellites – three Gonets-M and one Skif-D.
While the Gonets satellites are additions to the already long-standing space communications system, the Skif-D deserves a special mention.
🔻 What is its special feature?
This vehicle is the first component of the global Sphere communications system. According to plans, it will consist of several hundred satellites of different purposes in low, medium, high-elliptical, and geostationary orbit.
The constellation is designed to provide broadband internet access, but it will also be able to provide high-speed data transmission for both military and special communications. It is partly a counterpart to US company Space X’s Starlink.
🔻Why is this so important?
The fighting in Ukraine has demonstrated the effectiveness of such systems. They are vital: space communications and a large constellation of remote sensing satellites already offer a great advantage, as seen in the use of Starlink by the AFU.
Yes, there is only one Skif-D in orbit so far. Yes, it is unlikely that Sphere will be replenished at a shocking rate of tens of units per month. Yes, there will be long, hard work on import substitution or finding an alternative electronic component base for the satellites.
But one thing is good: the beginning of system deployment has been made. If, until recently, doubts were repeatedly voiced in the big offices as to the advisability of spending on it, the USO has dotted all theirs.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16514

Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 3:53 utc | 298

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 24 Oct 2022⚡️
#RussianFederation Territories:
▪️ A terrorist act occurred in the #Bryansk region near the border with #Belarus. An improvised explosive device went off on the Novozybkov – Zlynka line. The railway track was damaged, there were no casualties.
#Starobelsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ Units of the Ukrainian 71st Jager Brigade, reinforced by two Forces of Special Operations companies, tried to storm Russian positions near the villages of #Pervomayskoye (#Pershotravnevoye), #Orlyanka and #Berestovoye. The AFU attacks were repulsed by artillery and the enemies withdrew to their initial positions.
▪️ In the #Lyman area, the AFU tried to take the heights south of #Makeevka and approach #Krasnopopopovka again. Two companies of Ukrainian motorized infantry attacked strongholds of the Russian Forces, but came under concentrated artillery fire and withdrew with losses.
▪️ A battalion of the 54th AFU Mechanized Brigade attempted an offensive on #Belogorovka. Russian Forces launched a counterattack and pushed the enemies back to their initial positions.
▪️ The enemy command continues to move reserves to the frontline to replace losses. 20 infantrymen and 2 tanks have arrived in the #Serebryanka area.
#Soledar Direction:
▪️ There is fighting on the eastern outskirts of #Bakhmut. The AFU is counterattacking and trying to push the Wagner PMC troops out of all positions at the asphalt plant.
#Lugansk Region:
▪️ Ukrainian militants shelled #Starobelsk, as well as #Zorynsk, #Belokurakino, #Zolotoye and #Krasnorechenskoye. Late in the evening, there was a heavy explosion near the Yubileynaya mine in #Lugansk. According to preliminary reports, the fire was due to domestic reasons.
#Donetsk Direction:
▪️ Ukrainian militants shelled #Donetsk, #Yasinovataya and other settlements in the agglomeration.
#Zaporozhye Direction (MAP):
▪️ There is no significant change in the situation. Artillery duels on the frontline continue and Ukrainian SRGs are trying to expose weak points in Russian defences in the areas of #Gulyaypole, #Orekhov and #Ugledar.
#Nikolaev – #Berislav Direction on Southern Front (MAP):
▪️ On the morning of 24 October, two companies of the Ukrainian Forces of Special Operations’ 3rd and 8th Separate Regiments in three Husky TSV armoured vehicles, supported by the 17th Territorial Defence Battalion in converted civilian vehicles, attempted a reconnaissance battle near the Russian positions in #Borozenskoye and #Pyatikhatki.
The convoy was detected by an Orlan-30 drone, after which it was attacked by Russian Air Force Su-25 attack aircraft. The forward positions of the AFU were also hit by Giatsint-B howitzers and Smerch multiple rocket launchers. The enemy attack was thwarted. The Ukrainian formations withdrew after losing all their armoured vehicles.
▪️ Ukrainian militants struck Novaya Kakhovka as well as the village of #Kairy with HIMARS and Olkha multiple rocket launchers.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16526

Posted by: Down South | Oct 25 2022 3:56 utc | 300