Ukraine Open Thread 2022-179

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October 21, 2022

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Posted by b on October 21, 2022 at 15:35 UTC | Permalink

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On the apparently belated lowering of the level in the Khakovka reservoir: ZNPP uses this for cooling water so perhaps RF had the flood risk in mind when they decided to do a cold shutdown of ZNPP, which would then allow to safely lower Kakhovka reservoir if necessary.
I thought it was tardiness but RF might have had the dambuster threat in mind all along.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 23 2022 7:34 utc | 401

RB @ 402
You can put Zelly in a washing machine, still he won’t become an ethnic Ukrainian or a Slav. The thinking process cannot be changed. Heard of a Moses, who was raised by Egyptians, since he was a little baby, who went against the same Egyptians later?

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 23 2022 7:40 utc | 402

Lovers of unintentional humour from NATO bigwigs should google DW Conflict Zone Jens Soltenberg interview. The event took place on October 19, 2022. Sarah Kelly interviewed the NATO ‘boss’ to get his thoughts on the half-assed Ukraine debacle. Ms Kelly asked a lot of embarrassing questions and ‘boss’ Stoltenberg gave a lot of delightfully vague and evasive answers. I dunno who is in charge of NATO’s war in Ukraine, but it’s hard to believe it could be Mr Stoltenberg.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 23 2022 7:42 utc | 403

Kareem 309 is totally right.
No sane – as opposed to the cultist clique – person can swallow the tale that Russia has been preparing for this war since 2014 while simultaneously seeing that it (by even the claims of Putin apologists) entered the conflict with a huge shortage in manpower. Fortunately, Russian popular anger is still something Putin cannot afford to ignore, which is why at long last we see Russia look as though it is serious about fighting to win.
Whether it not it is actually serious about fighting to win will be seen when those forces moved into Belarus do something. If they invade Ukranazistan, Russia is fighting to win. If they’re withdrawn, then it is not.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 23 2022 8:00 utc | 404

@Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 23 2022 7:42 utc | 419

I dunno who is in charge of NATO’s war in Ukraine, but it’s hard to believe it could be Mr Stoltenberg.

The Quisling is smart enough to be responsible for his crimes, but he is ultimately a compromised puppet that does what he is told to do.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 23 2022 8:29 utc | 405

Ron Chapman,
Posted by: Ron Chapman | 23 october 2022 7:59 UTC |419 …………….
You seem to be a good missionary for the all-powerful policy in the West.The identity politics. But it´s not about identity it´s about class.
Read The Communist Manifest by Marx and Engels, and you might change your mind.

Posted by: Northern Eve | Oct 23 2022 8:32 utc | 406

@Hermit | Oct 23 2022 7:34 utc | 416
I dont claim any expertise about Cartage but when I once looked for evidence regarding child sacrifice I found that in Cartage children under the age of five(?) were not considered endowed with ful human spiritual character and were therefore, if they died very young, buried separately.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 23 2022 8:49 utc | 407

Haven’t seen this posted:
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26400

🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇷🇺 The US and Ukraine are having problems in relations-American Conservative
Zelensky’s intentions to control Crimea and Donbass lead to the continuation of the conflict, and also draws the United States into it more.(also Andrii Yermak
who Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine whem was speaking with Vovan and Lexus admitted that USA is at 70% support,while UK is at 100% support)
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/where-us-and-ukrainian-aims-collide/

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 23 2022 8:59 utc | 408

Historical review from 2021 to now by the New Yorker, from us/ukriane perspective, focusing on arms supplies discussions back and forth and shifts in Ukr/Russia battles etc.
concludes with

Reznikov (Ukraine Defense Minister) is certain that such deliveries are inevitable. “When I was in D.C. in November, before the invasion, and asked for Stingers, they told me it was impossible,” he said. “Now it’s possible. When I asked for 155-millimetre guns, the answer was no. HIMARS, no. HARM, no. Now all of that is a yes.” He added, “Therefore, I’m certain that tomorrow there will be tanks and ATACMS and F-16s.”
With the help of the U.S. and NATO, he went on, Ukraine’s military has shown that Russia can be confronted. “We are not afraid of Russia,” he said. “And we are asking our partners in the West to also no longer be afraid.”

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 23 2022 9:01 utc | 409

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/24/inside-the-us-effort-to-arm-ukraine

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 23 2022 9:01 utc | 410

https://www.rt.com/news/565172-germany-weapons-inflation-ukraine/
Not that anyone ought to be cheering for the massive rearmament of Germany in any way, but it goes to show how the further weakening and decline of Germany runs now in parallel to its inability to fund its own armed forces, just as it sent valuable weaponry and ammunition to be demolished while fighting against one of its most strategic energy suppliers.
The result will be even further dependence on the USA, at a time when their own critical infrastructure has been openly sabotaged by them. The sheer idiocy of such policy is truly staggering. Otto von Bismark must be doing somersaults 24/7 in his mausoleum.

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 23 2022 9:07 utc | 411

Hey, I tried to make nice with the Sauds, and everyone gave me a hard time.
We had the sword dance, the glowing orb thingee…it was very nice. very nice.
Now, you guys can’t even fill up your mopeds.
Man, I tell ya.
You know what I’m gonna….sorry I’m getting a call.
It’s Vlad.

Posted by: Don T | Oct 23 2022 9:13 utc | 412

No one has rebuilt Iraq, or Libya, or Syria, or Afghanistan, not Yemen, Lebanon, Palestine, or Yugoslavia either. Nor Somalia, Kenya, the Congo, Chad, Pakistan, or the Maghreb / Sahel. Not in Uganda, Haiti or Kosovo. The west including Europe and Nato never rebuild anything they promise to properly.
The pea and shell game and lies continue anyway:
Olaf Scholz “-The EU will not be able to rebuild Ukraine alone, this process requires global efforts and funding for decades”
As part of Germany’s G7 presidency,he will hold a conference in Berlin on Tuesday to discuss what investments are needed and how to organize cash.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 23 2022 9:17 utc | 413

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Oct 23 2022 7:59 utc | 420
Thank you for sharing your knowledge..your post should be read by most people possible in the world.The best post on this topic I ever read.

Posted by: LuBa | Oct 23 2022 9:31 utc | 414

@402 Ron C
Thank for the great and educating comment about the historical people known today as “Jew.”
Much of it resonates and it is of profound importance once you are beyond the initial red pill of recognizing the globalist scourge.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 23 2022 9:34 utc | 415

Posted by: Jax | Oct 22 2022 13:05 utc | 246
“We can only hope LEASHES on US forces are tightly-held by Washington, or we could see over-eager American commanders rush in and cause ALL-OUT WAR just because they’re EAGER to get some action.”
I was inclined to thinking that the Pentagram often worked to cool the temperament of salivating neo-cons.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 23 2022 9:38 utc | 416

Zelensky’s intentions to control Crimea and Donbass lead to the continuation of the conflict, and also draws the United States into it more.
anon2020 @ 426
It is not exactly that. It is the United States, or whoever controls the United States pulled/pushed Zelly to attack Donbass. Zelly is just a puppet!

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 23 2022 9:52 utc | 417

Eva Bartlett report from Donbass frontline writes:
While in the DPR in October, I went to a front line outpost 70 m from Ukrainian forces in Avdeevka, according to the Donbass commanders I spoke with.
While many in the West think that this conflict started in February 2022, those following events since 2014 are aware of the origins of the conflict & the sacrifices which the people of the Donbass republics have endured, particularly those fighting to protect their families and loved ones.
Just as the heroes of the Syrian Arab Army were maligned, so too have Donbass forces have been maligned by Western media, though both are defending their homelands from terrorist forces trained and funded by the West. Terrorists given the freedom to commit endless atrocities against Donbass civilians.
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=r1Gyvy2LCic
“In the DPR, sappers destroyed more than 20,000 (Ukrainian fired) Petal mines since the beginning of the special operation — Head of the DPR Ministry of Emergency Situations Alexey Kostrubitsky”
https://t.me/s/Reality_Theories/8341

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 23 2022 10:05 utc | 418

Meloni promise Blinken to stand with Ukraine, Nato, US in new post:
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/12232
What a moronic woman!

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 23 2022 10:18 utc | 419

Brain Berletic has a Sunday evening upload
(3k views in 15mins in my timeline!!)
@Bacon
@Old Hippy
He reviews the implications of the deployment of 101st Airborne to Romania.
He thinks that could bring Odessa into play…. ..I’d agree, …..as I posted that conjecture here 12 or more hours ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJiNl0xDe3U
Update on Russian operations against Ukraine for October 23, 2022
Ukrainian Power Outages, the US 101st Airborne, and Russia’s Next Big Move
– Russian missile and drone strikes continue targeting and crippling Ukraine’s power grid,
– Ukraine is attempting to target a major dam at Nova Kakhkovka to flood the Dnieper River and disrupt Russian supply lines to Kherson city;
– Western analysts admit Ukraine is in a critical situation and risks being completely cut off from its Western sponsors;
– The US is putting pieces in place to set up a buffer zone in Ukraine to prevent Russian forces from taking western Ukraine and perhaps even Odesa to prevent what’s left of Ukraine from becoming landlocked.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 10:26 utc | 420

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 23 2022 9:01 utc | 428
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/24/inside-the-us-effort-to-arm-ukraine
Excellent article thanks for posting link
The article is longish and biased towards Ukraine but seems to be an accurate reflection of US involvement in enabling this war.

Posted by: Iain | Oct 23 2022 10:30 utc | 421

@ Paulg | Oct 23 2022 9:52 utc | 434
It is even more complicated than that.
Narrative could be that NATO is trying to seize a bit of a north-east Black Sea to be able to establish the base there, but…
It has been one of the main reasons for RF to get Crimea under its wing.
Sevastopol was leased from Ukraine since 1990 and as soon as West started to poke about, trying to kick Russian Military out, RF seized it with a ‘green men’ action.
Having a base somewhere in Romania or wherever about, it is not as same as having it in Crimea.
Now there are rumours of US/101 Army-whatever-they-are going to seize Odessa and create a buffer there. That is nonsense.
As they do not listen. If anyone openly interferes, as in ‘we go to Ukraine to kill some Ruskies’, RF will retaliate hard and pretty much at will and where it thinks it should.
I hardly believe that RF will then care is it NATO territory or not.
As for Donbass that is gone pretty much out of Ukraine equation, being rich in minerals and metals I do not see how what is the rest of Ukraine is ever going to repay what they owe to the West.
Basically, Zelensky and his backers and even handlers are stuck knee-deep in debt and nobody can even foresee where the money to be repaid their creditors is coming from.
Throwing money on Ukraine to keep it afloat is every day more obvious to even mainstream logic and presents itself as a bottomless pit.
And Donbass is gone from their grasp, crop-fields gone too and electricity export capacity too.
And so far all the thrown billions a resulting in smouldering cities and devastated infrastructure and hardly existing and functioning country.
Good job, carry on.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2022 10:34 utc | 422

If 101 Airborne gets into Odessa, Russians wont dare to do anything about it.
Not to mention thousands of Romanians that would join US army for fresh money.

Posted by: marko | Oct 23 2022 10:35 utc | 423

Posted by: marko | Oct 23 2022 10:35 utc | 440
You have remarkably high expectations of light infantry !!!!
They are not there to “fight” but to extract assets………
You cannot hold ground with light infantry against artillery and Ka-52.
If US Russian battlefield space to fight it will never be in a position to reinforce since its rear will be obliterated as would any seaborne or airborne re-supply – globally

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 23 2022 10:46 utc | 424

Putin eating up Musk’s market share, probably in Ukraine:

Russia launched its first satellite designed to provide broadband internet on Sunday, a state-owned analog of StarLink and OneWeb. The Soyuz-2.1brocket carried the next-generation Skif-D satellite and three Gonets-M satellites in the year’s first launch from Vostochny cosmodrome in the Russian Far East.

I find it odd that this is Russia’s first attempt at satellite broadband though.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 11:04 utc | 425

People thinking the airborne McDonalds in the number of 1000 will “take” Odessa are using too much weed.
What is very possible is that Russia will give the rest of 80% of Ukr to nato, just to escape the war they fail to stabilize and that is spreading into Belgorod. But to invade Odessa using 1000 trannies and keep it as base for nazis against Russia’s will, Syria-style, is not possible.

Posted by: rk | Oct 23 2022 11:05 utc | 426

Didnt 101 just replace 81 or something, 5000 soldiers in, 5000 soldiers out.
Its just a MSM fear mongering and you all took the bait and are making fantasies up.

Posted by: Jzo | Oct 23 2022 11:07 utc | 427

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 23 2022 9:52 utc | 434
I agree in general that Z has almost no agency and that it’s probably a mistake even to use him as a shorthand for his sponsors and patrons.
I think in this specific case it’s more about Z (his backers) insisting on the full return of now-Russian parts of former Ukraine as a precondition of peace, rather than the pre-SMO intent to recapture Donbas and Crimea which triggered SMO.
As you suggest, though, it’s still bollocks, because we’ve got one bunch of yanks complaining about, in effect, some other bunch of yanks jamming up negotiations by getting Z to insist on the return of all lost territory.
My interest was in the reference to the 100% UK support.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 23 2022 11:10 utc | 428

Another plane fell on a populated area during a test flight. This time in Irkutsk.
Shoigu discussed the situation in Ukraine by phone with his French counterpart, the Russian Defense Ministry said. Sergei Shoigu, during the negotiations, brought to the attention of his French counterpart the possibility of a provocation by Ukraine using a “dirty bomb”.
I’m sure Macaron, pumping banned mines into Ukr, really cares. He might be behind many provocations there, like the multiple shelling of chemical plants that everyone forgot about.

Posted by: rk | Oct 23 2022 11:15 utc | 429

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 11:17 utc | 430

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 11:19 utc | 431

@420 Ron.C
I never dreamt of seeing a Clif High link here. He often sends me unpublished comments on my site, and has great seemingly perhaps plausible info regarding the future, and globalist agendas being stalled, and well, a lot of information regarding the Antarctic region. That and everyone within centuries of our history up to bush, clinton, obama, being the offspring of no further distance relation than the offspring of the relationship between 3rd cousins. Putin is apparently in the clear.

Posted by: NJH | Oct 23 2022 11:24 utc | 432

“US army is going to enter Odessa.
Putin is afraid. Russians won’t dare to go further and Ukrainians will get big morale boost.
…This is going to be a huge American victory.”
Posted by: marko | Oct 22 2022 23:47 utc | 337
I agree with AParadiseLost @342. It sounds like its time for “The Big Push”. The US always has a “Big Push” before it says “Mission Accomplished” and runs away with whatever they could grab. It’s the Pirate Code.

Posted by: TPaine | Oct 23 2022 11:30 utc | 433

Kiev shells Energodar Hotel where employees for Rosenergoatom are staying
Local authorities say the staff was not in the building at the time of the strike.

Posted by: rk | Oct 23 2022 11:42 utc | 434

Interesting change of tactics:
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/35935
NATO IN SHOCK
Russian cruise missiles suddenly changed course and then destroyed all targets
During the massive cruise missile attacks on Ukraine, the Russians used an unusual tactic today, with which they completely overwhelmed NATO and the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces.
According to Ukrainian sources, during the strike in the western part of the country, Russian cruise missiles suddenly changed their trajectory, avoiding the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and launched unexpected attacks on Vinnytsia and Lutsk.
According to the information provided, despite their fairly simple and predictable flight, some of the rockets changed their trajectory and instead of flying through the airspace over the Khmelnytskyi and Ternopil regions, the rockets unexpectedly approached from the Ivano-Frankivsk region.
Then they suddenly turned to the north and precisely targeted targets in the Lutsk region.
The reason for this is the deployment of air defense systems in these regions, which are supposed to protect the weapons supply routes from the West.
However, due to the unpredictable trajectory of the missiles, the Ukrainian army could not do anything.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 23 2022 11:45 utc | 435

Sending a relatively small contingent of light infantry into an artillery war seems like the sort of thing the current crop of leaders in the US would pitch as a “game changer”. Having learned not a single lesson from the 20 years of failure that characterize their foreign policy, they continue on. Perhaps they’ll send the other portions of the 101st to Taiwan. As any serious strategist knows, fighting a war on two fronts when both are half a world a way is the recipe for success and displaying the “full spectrum dominance” of the hegemon.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 23 2022 11:49 utc | 436

Northern Eve | Oct 23 2022 8:32 utc | 424
I suggest that Kropotkin’s Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution would serve to educate in the reality of natural relations on this earth with less possibility of his middle-stratum Puritan preciousness throwing thought-stoppers in the way.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 23 2022 11:57 utc | 437

Retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would lose combat capability if Russian troops seized supply lines in the Volyn and Lvov regions
Posted by: Down South | Oct 23 2022 6:01 utc | 406
Sounds like an idiotic attempt to get the Russian army to over-extend itself.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 23 2022 11:58 utc | 438

After France, Shoigu called Turkey:
“Shoigu discusses Ukraine conflict in phone call with Turkish Defense Minister Akar, discussing concerns Kiev may use a dirty bomb in an act of provocation”
He should be on TV to say that if zely uses a nuke, nothing will remain from Ukr, not begging nato for mercy.

Posted by: rk | Oct 23 2022 12:06 utc | 439

A car bomb exploded in Kherson today
About 20k civilians were evacuated so far

Posted by: rk | Oct 23 2022 12:28 utc | 440

US army?
There’s no such thing as a US army, if you one considers honour and victories. The only country it could defeat was Granada. The sandla-clad Vietnamese kicked them out. It lost in Korea, Iraq, Sudan, Syria, and kicked out of Afghanistan last fall. When the “US army” ran away from Kabul, the sandal-clad Afghans had to safeguard the “US army” dishonourable departure.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 23 2022 12:48 utc | 441

283
moloch israel sorry is real
he must be fed oded yinon zion new khazaria needs blood juice must be fed
ritual sacrifice
simon of trent is normalcy throughout the ages
283
khazar are not semite

Posted by: gordon | Oct 23 2022 12:51 utc | 442

Let’s see if the so-called US army has enough guts. Let’s see if it can fight a real army. It must be quite brave to be ‘stationed’ in some of the NATO countries, but would it have the guts to fight a real fight? The US and its so-called army are just hot air!

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 23 2022 12:54 utc | 443

The 101 is highly unlikely to enter Ukraine as, as far as I see it and I might be wrong, the moment their first boot hits the ground as the initiator of a conflict event, Article 5 goes out the window and Russia can attack mainland US or ships (but probably not the US on non US territory) without NATO blowback.
Is this correct?

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 23 2022 13:01 utc | 444

You cannot hold ground with light infantry against artillery and Ka-52.
you udderestimate the power of the 101st screaming me me lgbt plus plus minus minus queens.
they are trained to avoid ka 52 and artillery and also have the power of stealth paint technology as used in the liberation of the innocents of yugoslavia from the serbian new hitlers

Posted by: gordon | Oct 23 2022 13:03 utc | 445

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Oct 23 2022 7:59 utc | 420
Thank you. Shows its way too complex a topic for casual commentary/conversation!
I read long ago that the word Pharaoh is Yemeni. So have theory that early Js were a trading network with tribal and commercial networks who developed contract law conventions, trade between jurisdictions in which they served as brokers/intermediaries and also bankers.
Then there is a whole medieval period you glossed over with many expulsions and not sure if these groups fit the Khazarian narrative or not, maybe these were the continuation of the more than three million said to be in Egypt during the time of Christ (presumably because that’s where there was highest trading activity still). Maybe a few strains loosely linked or essentially separate but with similar tactics centered around acting as inter-jurisdictional trading brokers who cannot help themselves from taking too high a cut?
Anyway, great post.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 23 2022 13:13 utc | 446

@ JohninMK | Oct 23 2022 13:01 utc | 452
“Article 5 goes out the window…”
I do not think that Russia cares about some imaginary Article in some Western defence umbrella organisation.
Current command tries to avoid attacks outside of Ukraine borders, but I think as soon as US or whichever forces openly declare ‘pre-emptive protection of any part of Ukraine’ there will be very deep kinetic denial on the decision-making centres.
What is important for Russia, its doctrine and in front of the whole World is not to do the first confrontational step towards any other country, regardless of how deep it might be involved in a Mil-Int support.
Those ‘covert units’ already on the front lines, Russians do not count as more or a less hostile or even more dangerous than those average under-trained Ukrainian conscripts.
I think when Putin ordered release of foreign mercenaries, he was signalling to NATO a very simple message:
You have nothing to do here. Go away.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2022 13:44 utc | 447

Posted by: Lex | Oct 23 2022 11:49 utc | 443
Perhaps they’ll send the other portions of the 101st to Taiwan
Already in Korea. They shipped out in July just after the 4th.

Posted by: Wook | Oct 23 2022 14:21 utc | 448

Scorpion,454,Ron Chapman 409 writes
“To be consistent, those who seek to eliminate criticism of “Jews” as a collective need must also stop gleefully demeaning and castigating Americans, Brits, and others as national collectives. Americans and British are not responsible for the wars, pestilence and dystopia that are so evident in our world. A small group of Talmudists have manipulated these nations and created that situation.”
I´ve seen lots of these arguments on social medias, and they use to call it “a special etnic group of people”, instead of the 1%, and they make it sound as if it´s not the capitalistic system that´s the real enemy.

Posted by: Northern Eve | Oct 23 2022 14:54 utc | 449

Sorry my comments didn´t stick to the topic “Ukraina open thread”…it´s easy to find yourself sidetracked.

Posted by: Northern Eve | Oct 23 2022 15:00 utc | 450

@455
Thank you for that voice of reason. For Russia, war is always a solution of last resort. They have suffered too much from previous wars. If they waited for years to intervene in the Ukraine, if they did all they could to wage a “mimimum” war (aka SMO) then that’s because they hate to go to war. China likewise: it started very few wars and will do anything to avoid one now. Other countries behave rather differently and of course the US and UK come to mind here. But when Russia goes to war, it does so in order to survive – that and the anger coupled with it form a very deep motivation and it is this motivation that makes Russia win (with much suffering on all sides). In the current war, one thing aggravates the situation for Russia: many of their soldiers feel they are fighting their brothers (that’s a recurrent theme on Telegram now). This begets another anger. The US/UK idiots who fomented this war will not be forgiven.

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 23 2022 15:10 utc | 451

Posted by: uncensored | Oct 21 2022 22:25 utc | 100
Whatever else it is, this shit is pure spam. If I post “I earned 350,000$ last week in the comfort of my own home in a few hours a day with my computer!”, would it stay up?

Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 23 2022 15:12 utc | 452

Sending a relatively small contingent of light infantry into an artillery war seems like the sort of thing the current crop of leaders in the US would pitch as a “game changer”.
Posted by: Lex | Oct 23 2022 11:49 utc | 443
History offers an example of where sending in light infantry was a game changer. Remember the Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War?

Posted by: Chas | Oct 23 2022 15:18 utc | 453

Posted by: K | Oct 22 2022 0:03 utc | 126
Thanks! It seems clear to me and I wish it did to a lot of other people here. Notice that I say “people”…

Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 23 2022 15:27 utc | 454

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 0:41 utc | 133
Feed a troll, become a troll.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 23 2022 15:32 utc | 455

I call BS on the rumor that US is gonna send big troops in. American public has zero mood for these types of wars where there are lots of dead. The american elites will not risk that.
They rather conjure up some crazy story to sell the public.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 23 2022 17:58 utc | 456

Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 21:13 utc | 297
Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins does cover the main protagonists involved on setting ‘it’ up.
It’s been a number of years so I’m hazy on the detail, but I do remember the Warburg name features prominently, as does JP Morgan, Kuhne, Loeb & Co, Rockefeller, Rothschild, and I think even Schiff.
I lost my copy of the book, so I’m keeping my eye out for a cheap copy.
It was, for me, an eye-opening read at the time. Recommended.
Ps. Thank you to all the barflies who provide such excellent and informative information here. You know who you are, as James inferred.
Not long to go now, and we can start building a humane global arrangement based on mutual respect. Great time to be alive.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Oct 23 2022 20:07 utc | 457

Jon_in_AU | Oct 23 2022 20:07 utc | 465
thanks jon… bookfinder.com has a copy for about 11$ canadian.. see link below and put in author and title…
cheers and thanks for your posts too..
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Posted by: james | Oct 24 2022 4:16 utc | 458

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2022 4:16 utc | 459

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2022 4:17 utc | 460

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2022 4:17 utc | 461

Hating religious fools should be required for any leftist.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2022 19:50 utc | 275
Twist a troll, be a troll.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 24 2022 10:30 utc | 462

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 23 2022 7:34 utc | 400
The Natchez Indians practiced child sacrifice – at least according to the French chroniclers. The French ended up exterminating them. Had they not, they might be useful today as alternative scapegoats.

Posted by: Gene Pooke | Oct 24 2022 16:04 utc | 463

tucenz | Oct 23 2022 5:11 utc | 383
Thanks tucnz.
I see Harvey Weinstein’s in the news again.
The two main ‘Jew’ factions are the Zionists and the Globalists. They have competing aims but pull together against everyone else.
Peace and Blessings,
Ron

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Oct 25 2022 11:02 utc | 464

Hankster | Oct 23 2022 5:14 utc | 381 & 384
G’day Hankster,
Thank you.
Have a speedy recovery.
Peace and Blessings,
Ron

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Oct 25 2022 11:03 utc | 465

G’day Luba 416; NemesisCalling 417; and Scorpion 449
Thank you.
It’s a complex subject.
Peace and Blessings,
Ron

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Oct 25 2022 11:05 utc | 466

NJH | Oct 23 2022 11:24 utc | 434
G’day NJH,
Clif’s extremely well read, very intelligent and thoughtful.
I think he misdirects himself on a few issues but he’s great value.
The Antarctic region will be very interesting very soon.
Putin is a Christed individual and very competent. He’s destined to supervise the Slavic and Russian Eurasian world in the coming times.
Peace and Blessings,
Ron

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Oct 25 2022 11:06 utc | 467

B9k9 | Oct 23 2022 5:47 utc | 387
Excellent- a great example of moa value add.
Here’s the problem: evolution dictates that vaccums will be filled. Eliminate the Jay’s and another group will fill the void – there’s a basic demand for credit money as it satisfies many venial sins.”
G’day B9k9,
Thank you.
I disagree.
This is the end of an epoch. The money meme is going to go away fairly soon.
In the meantime all nations will produce their own gold and asset backed interest-free money until their populations no longer need it. No one will fill the space left by the ‘Jews’, there will be no need.
Peace and Blessings,
Ron

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Oct 25 2022 11:10 utc | 468

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