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October 21, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-179
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15956 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:41 utc | 201 The best way to preserve sincere, clever and friendly discussion would be to post sincere, clever and friendly comments. People who visit a blog just to spit out their hatred for the blog’s spirit obviously are either embittered nobody’s or paid trolls. People who use any blog just to offload their weird constructs on anything from reptilians to Jews drinking baby blood need mental help but blogs are not psychiatric centres. Probably, the US/UK/UKR propaganda centers use all kind of poor folk: misguided simpletons, old NAZI’s, , broke people clutching at a financial staw, mentally ill hypergraphists…So we find all kind of trolls here, ranging from the vulgarly offensive to the unctuous. Some duo’s even play the good cop-bad cop game. Some use a strategy of posting one seemingly reasonable comment to render their silly other posts more acceptable. It’s worth a study. But it’s a very massive attack all the same and it will require a lot of sound judgment of the real, well-meaning bar frequenters to save their cherished meeting place. This being a kind of bar could be the solution: if you feel inclined to offer someone a drink, he or she probably made an interesting comment and isn’t a troll or another kind of mentally deranged person. So let’s talk over a drink only – if they don’t get a drop, the trolls will have to leave and return to their bottle of vinegar at home… Posted by: anthony | Oct 22 2022 10:45 utc | 202 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 22 2022 9:03 utc | 193 Posted by: Jax | Oct 22 2022 10:48 utc | 203 marko | Oct 22 2022 10:32 utc | 209 Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 10:48 utc | 204
You are describing “Honey pots”, sites meant to entrap Germans who think maybe Germany should be run by Germans. There are laws there against wrong think. Posted by: Stones | Oct 22 2022 10:48 utc | 205 🇺🇦Moment of a failed cruise missile intercept by a Ukrainian MiG-29 over the Odessa region: the fighter launches the missile and it goes off target, exploding in mid-air. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 10:50 utc | 206 Maybe this new Russian general operating in Ukraine is finally somebody smart enough. Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 10:52 utc | 207 Hah lol hah. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 10:53 utc | 208 Maybe this new Russian general operating in Ukraine is finally somebody smart enough. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2022 10:54 utc | 209
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26361 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:54 utc | 210 UPDATE: the total wounded in Belgorod has increased to 15, 4 critical. Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 10:55 utc | 211 Let me introduce some of you to the economic concept of monopsony. It’s where you have one buyer and one seller. (An effective cartel of both will work too). Basically it removes the good from the market mechanism. Price and quantity is agreed between the two entities. And the result for P&Q is determined by the relative power of the parties to the transaction. So does OPEC+ or NATO have most power in the energy market? Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 22 2022 10:57 utc | 212 Posted by: anthony | Oct 22 2022 10:45 utc | 213 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 22 2022 11:00 utc | 213 Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 22 2022 10:57 utc | 223 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 11:04 utc | 214 @Down South #212 Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 22 2022 11:05 utc | 215 Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 22 2022 10:57 utc | 223 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 22 2022 11:09 utc | 216 So. The “monkeywerx” guy, who trawls through open source flight data and other similar, has his Friday update loaded. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 11:09 utc | 217 Civilians of Kherson and all departments and ministries of civil administration must cross today to the left bank of the Dnieper – Kherson Region Administration Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 11:22 utc | 218 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 22 2022 11:09 utc | 227 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 11:27 utc | 219 @224 Posted by: Anthony | Oct 22 2022 11:36 utc | 220 The gist of is it that EU will try to compete against China especially in Africa for colonialist control of resources. Posted by: too scents | Oct 22 2022 11:42 utc | 221 The city where the missile attack happened today in Belgorod region was closed and seems to be evacuated. The target was the central market building. Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 11:48 utc | 222 Russia’s defense incompetence rages on witha addtional victims… Posted by: Zanon | Oct 22 2022 11:48 utc | 223
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26369 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 11:50 utc | 224 ⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (22 October 2022) Posted by: Summary | Oct 22 2022 11:52 utc | 225
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15966 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 11:52 utc | 226
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15969 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 11:56 utc | 228
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15986 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 11:59 utc | 229 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 11:56 utc | 239 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 22 2022 12:07 utc | 230 I apologize for the post Oct 22 2022 16:38 that appears to be suffering from the time stamp bug. The real timestamp should be approximately Oct 22 11:38 2022 UTC Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 12:09 utc | 231 Dear Marco, Zanon etc. Posted by: Dave_k | Oct 22 2022 12:10 utc | 232 NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS: Just a whole bunch of elite American troops playing WAR GAMES close to border with Ukraine in Romania, but not to worry as NATO’s not looking to fight Russia head-on, right? Well, it turns out US Army 101st Airborne Division’s commanders are actually STRAINING AT THEIR LEASHES, saying they will NOT HESISTATE to get out of Romania and jump FEET-FIRST into Ukraine if CONFLICT arises between Russia and NATO, and they’ve already been watching Russian-led troops closely and making drills to “REPLICATE” Ukraine conflict. Posted by: Jax | Oct 22 2022 13:05 utc | 233 Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 16:38 utc | 244 Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 13:06 utc | 234 @Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 13:06 utc | 247 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 13:24 utc | 235 Russia need to stop whining for help by the UN and start doing something or is Ukraine simply the stronger part in this war? Posted by: Zanon | Oct 22 2022 14:43 utc | 236 @Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 19:43 utc | 278 Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 14:59 utc | 237 @275 “those folks dancing are germans nazi evil doers…” Posted by: dh | Oct 22 2022 15:32 utc | 238 @Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 10:25 utc | 206
If that is correct, your reply is disingenuous. But obviously, claiming to be a mind reader is not credible.
Well you insist on claiming you can read my mind and I told you before that your reading is entirely wrong, and totally your own creation. I am guessing you are projecting.
I have no idea what this is about, it has nothing to do with me or what I said. You are just commenting on your own perceptions. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 16:38 utc | 239 Slavyangrad posts a claim that Ukr. must make progress before Nov. 8 (elections) and must take Kherson by end of autumn – Zelensky. Seventeen days? Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 22 2022 18:22 utc | 240 Jax | Oct 22 2022 13:05 utc | 246 Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 18:22 utc | 241 Jax@246….yank speak, Rah Rah, exceptional talk for a fighting unit that ain’t seen real combat since WW2. Ok, yes, they have vaunted Rapid Reaction Rainbow Regiment, but they are still short on lubes and oils…..for their equipment. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 22 2022 18:32 utc | 242 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 16:38 utc | 249 Posted by: veto | Oct 22 2022 18:34 utc | 243 For history books and not only, data from reliable sources that do not mind additional verification. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 18:34 utc | 244 unimperator | Oct 22 2022 18:34 utc Posted by: spudski | Oct 22 2022 18:44 utc | 245 RT: Russia urges UN to prevent Ukraine’s ‘terrible provocation’ Posted by: marko | Oct 22 2022 18:45 utc | 246 Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 13:06 utc | 247 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Oct 22 2022 18:46 utc | 247 This leads to nowhere. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 18:48 utc | 248 unimperator @ 254 Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 18:52 utc | 249 Ignore the irrelevant Tulsi Gabbard rant at the top of this article and go right to the bottom where he’s talking about Ukranazistan. There’s a video he posted from 2014 where a cake made out to be in the shape of a real life (Russian) baby is being cut up by cheering Ukranazis. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 22 2022 18:53 utc | 250 Dear Marco, Zanon etc. Posted by: marko | Oct 22 2022 18:59 utc | 251 Giorgia Meloni sworn in as Italy’s prime minister. She is the first woman to become the Italian prime minister. Matteo Salvini of Forza Italia is her deputy. The west’s LGBTQ is going to have a hard time in Italy. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 19:01 utc | 252 Dear Marco, Zanon etc. Posted by: marko | Oct 22 2022 19:03 utc | 253 The number Shoigu announced seemed much too low but 400k seems too much. So who is still alive and attacking on the entire front line? And who are the 20-30k Belarus says that are waiting at its borders? Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 19:03 utc | 254 Meloni will fold like a wet handkerchief the moment von der Lying puts on the pressure. Having thrown away its financial independence, Italy has no possibility of economic survival without the patronage of the EU. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 22 2022 19:03 utc | 255
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16018 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 19:06 utc | 256 Dave_k Posted by: Zanon | Oct 22 2022 19:14 utc | 257 Scholtz says Germany doesn’t have enough money for arms production. UK Tories can’t find themselves a leader. Meloni wins in Italy. Macron doesn’t have a parliamentary majority. Spain and Portugal would be quite happy to stay out of the Ukr-game. Poland is just hot air. The other countries of the EU are small, militarily (and politically) weak and useless. The 3 Baltic countries, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia will fold, if even just Belarus attacks them. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 19:14 utc | 258 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 22 2022 19:03 utc | 265 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 19:16 utc | 259 Why are everyone talking positively about Meloni? Posted by: Zanon | Oct 22 2022 19:17 utc | 260 ❗️The aggravation of the situation in the Kremennaya area. Posted by: Marko | Oct 22 2022 19:21 utc | 261 Thank you Down South@214: Posted by: morongobill | Oct 22 2022 19:28 utc | 262 143 Posted by: gordon | Oct 22 2022 19:30 utc | 263 Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 19:03 utc | 264 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 19:32 utc | 264
Starlink signals can be reverse-engineered to work like GPS—whether SpaceX likes it or not Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 19:38 utc | 265 unimperator | Oct 22 2022 19:32 utc | 274 Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 19:41 utc | 266 This is one of the vids on that newsfeed Twitter that got nuked while I was reading!: Found it elsewhere…. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 19:43 utc | 267 @all Posted by: too scents | Oct 22 2022 19:46 utc | 268 Here was a statement by UAF general Krivonos on beginning of September: Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 19:50 utc | 269 This is the first time an open thread has been so chock-a-block with Jew haters that it’s unreadable. You can’t skip over them anymore because there are too many. If Nazifying opposition spaces is a BND goal, I suspect it’s succeeding here. Peace. Posted by: Tichy | Oct 22 2022 19:50 utc | 270 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 13:24 utc | 248 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 22 2022 19:51 utc | 271 unimperator @ 274 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 22 2022 19:55 utc | 272 Ok. I’m going to call it….. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 20:03 utc | 273 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 19:38 utc | 276 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 22 2022 20:05 utc | 274 @anon2020 | Oct 22 2022 19:51 utc | 283
Thanks for the comment! Yes, I think others thought the same 😎 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 20:12 utc | 275 Saturday started productively in Ukraine. From arrivals, not even individual “Gerans”, but entire “bouquets” of them. In the cities and regions of Ukraine, an air raid alert was first announced, after the productive work of the drones. Then the air raid signals stopped transmitting because the electricity was gone. In Odessa, for example, electricity went out so abruptly and unexpectedly that trams stopped right on their routes. In most parts of the Ukraine, passenger trains stopped. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 20:13 utc | 276 not sure if someone already posted this…. Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 20:30 utc | 277 @276 “those folks dancing are germans nazi evil doers….” Posted by: dh | Oct 22 2022 20:39 utc | 278 And, most importantly, Chairman Xi Jinping will be leading China for the next five years.
In the Ukraine theatre, watch the next few days. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 20:57 utc | 279 Russia is making its plans, moving all the new troops into position and will make a major strike when it is ready. It will have maximum political impact for Russia if that occurs just before the US mid-term elections, as it is likely to destroy what little credibility Biden and his administration has left. Posted by: Pancho Plail | Oct 22 2022 21:01 utc | 280 Dear Marko etc. Posted by: Dave_k | Oct 22 2022 21:02 utc | 281
Okay, name them and identify the mechanism by which they exercise control. Otherwise it is idle speculation. The Federal Reserve is owned by the 12 regional feds, which are in turn owned by their member banks (approx 3000). The President nominates all 7 Board Members who go through a normal Senate confirmation process. The Regional Feds boards are nominated and voted by their members. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 22 2022 21:04 utc | 282 that book creature from jekyll island by griffin was good, but it didn’t give those details… Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 21:13 utc | 283 @Dave_k | Oct 22 2022 21:02 utc | 295
Yes on one of those things. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 21:30 utc | 284
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https://t.me/azmilitary11/26401 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 21:34 utc | 288
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16044 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 21:36 utc | 289
Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 21:37 utc | 290 Someone is preparing to be invaded: Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 21:41 utc | 291 All the TG channels are reporting the same thing. Something big is about to go down.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26404 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 21:46 utc | 292
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16053 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 22:01 utc | 293 The thieves in Russia and “Ukraine”: the denazification should have started 8 years ago, in Moscow itself: it is expressed in various shades of russian dark, brilliant eussuan humor, amid the growing wave of anger inside russia, against the traitorous elites (banksters, billionaires, top kremlin bureaucrats, fat “peacetime” generals and others shades of thieves). Posted by: Kareem | Oct 22 2022 22:03 utc | 294 Posted by: Jax | Oct 22 2022 13:05 utc | 246
For the first time in their lives US marines will know what is like to be under bombardment by modern artillery and face a peer military that wants them dead. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 22:08 utc | 295
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16057 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 22:14 utc | 296
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16059 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 22:17 utc | 297 Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 21:41 utc | 305
When Belgorod is bombed you whine about Russia doing nothing. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 22:18 utc | 298
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16060 Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 22:18 utc | 299 Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 22:18 utc | 314 Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 22:24 utc | 300 |
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