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October 21, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-179

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

Please stick to the topic.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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As for the Kakhovka Dam. the vulnerable portion is the central section where the Tanter (rotational) Gates are located. The length of this is about 500 meters and comprising 20 gates that rest upon a concrete spillway.
A missile could do damage to one or two gates at a time, but this would not necessarily be catastrophic. The water head is currently above the spillway but decreasing. Losing one or two gates would drain the reservoir at a faster rate, and increase the flow rate down stream, but not raise the water elevation at Kherson too much.
Biggest concern … Rafting and float bridging operations, specifically the temporary bridge already erected next to the permanent one in Kherson.
At currents over 10 KM/hr, these operations get complex. … I see that the Russian Combat Engineers have shored their float bridge to the columns of the concrete bridge. This is a good idea in case currents increase quickly.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 21 2022 22:44 utc | 101

Leuk | Oct 21 2022 19:47 utc | 54

the exchanges… will arouse the greatest interest of the other commentators… to the point that … that no one else will dare interrupt your fruitful exchange by intervening personally…
And so it came to pass.

And your prescience admired, as indeed such posts are providing much theatre.……
[thank you]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 22:45 utc | 102

Arrivals of “large number of foreign journalists” in Nikolaev.
Journalists….. especially these pampered perfumed pontificating petty princesses of the press cannot perform without many devices that all need charging. They also need the most salubrious of surroundings for their slumber and require restaurants and ale houses of the highest order.
Their defeat is easy…. Turn off the electricity.
No heat, no eat, no place to rest their feat…. No charge for phone and device.
It’s not like they were wanting to write anything nice…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 22:47 utc | 103

The US and Canadian governments have begun to assess the availability of blood and blood products in the event of a nuclear war. Source, someone personally in real life known to me who works in a pharmaceutical company that deals in blood products.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 21 2022 22:59 utc | 104

well since you talk bout crazy stuff
vladimir lenin was a german revolutionary agent who got literally tons of gold and was send in a hammered train into russia, what would have happened with a ship and murrica? 😀

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 21 2022 23:02 utc | 105

Opport Knocks | Oct 21 2022 21:59 utc | 90
>……”the script was written in DC…”
Yep.
[Zelenski] “did a complete 180 aof 2021. One can only imagine the combination of bribes and threats from State/CIA that caused the change in script.”
A big factor was the “taking out of play” of Kolomoisky by the State Dept.
Kolomoisky is on the FBI hit list and will be arrested on entry to U$ ….. thus he has to be cautious of extradition (legal or U$ special forces style). He’s hunkered down in Israel (allegedly). Or maybe Switzerland. Regardless. He’s now out of play, and the U$ State Dept picked up Zelensky’s leash and now owns him exactly as one owns a dog.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 23:02 utc | 106

Interesting graphic of potential effects of blowing the dam. Difficult to tell who would benefit most.
https://tinyurl.com/4s937eae

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 21 2022 23:05 utc | 107

Posted by: Leuk | Oct 21 2022 19:47 utc | 54
Ha!

Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 21 2022 23:11 utc | 108

@ uncensored 19
Right now Kurdistan or Northern Iraq is being being occupied by both Iranian and Turkish troops. The Obama plan of Headchopping nutcases failed ,so other allies are utilised to do the same job.
The job is to subdue the local population when it starts to get uppity about Kurdish Oil being PINCHED.
My point being that if one reads too much into the ethnicity or the religious faction of a group of warmongers, one is missing the point of the warmongering, which is about commodities and land and biolabs
Which is why it is USUKIS , not USUK, bringing War to Europe. A potent sewage of Military power US, dishonesty perfidious UK and Finance IS. It all boils down to colonial theft, absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity or faith.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 21 2022 23:21 utc | 109

@ Tenet | 82
Good response. Interesting list. Thanks.
@ watcher | 86
Disappear you racist shill. How about dealing with what people do, rather than the race/religion to which they were born.
_____
… to be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
Ok. Here is the problem with that. When people who are “do”-ing, are acting with others, formally or informally, in a manner that mimics a coalition or conspiracy, and that coalition or conspiracy delineates along some tribal membership lines, then it is important to note.
When the consequences are of global importance, then it is imporatant to discuss and understand.
Some people suspect the overall globalist / Davos effort is to exploit, subjugate, and enslave any who are not part of the same team. Whether that team is authentic or fraudulent (Khazarian) is an interesting question. I am really curious what happens when there are no others to consume and nominal allies turn on each other.
I am also curious why there are not more people of “religious” alignment, who renounce their association with said religions to designate they are, in fact, to be judged on the content of their character, and not according to membership with a particular group; whether Christian, Jew, Muslim,…
It is super intersting that intersectionality, victim-status, and performative virtue signaling have become such a major component of the social fabric we navigate. The victim-status trump card is Judaism and it is played with the claim of anti-semitism.
Anti-semitism is such an easy bomb to lob at anyone. It requires almost no work to employ and its value to discourse and underatanding is nil. Normally it shuts every discussion down and I hope the sting and fear is finally wearing off for many.
Now I just need to find a troll to flame so I can up my site cred.

Posted by: JEN | Oct 21 2022 23:26 utc | 110

Here’s a good video on Kherson, opinionated of course.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 21 2022 23:36 utc | 111

@ Posted by: uncensored | Oct 21 2022 22:25 utc | 100
Interesting it is not. Nice red herring!
This is an off-topic for the ancient heritage names of modern Israel have absolutely nothing to do with the current topic on Country 404. Formerly known as Ukraine. A derivative of the Polish language called “Frontier”……..
For those who are familiar with Greek heritage names in the Levant region. A section of land which has been occupied by men of multiple early languages since 8000 BCE. That is long before the wandering subsistent proto-Greek tribes became a civilization of sorts.
That is for a topic on another thread.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 21 2022 23:38 utc | 112

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/20/at-peace-with-herself-librium-liz-re-embraces-her-own-mediocrity
Pretty funny.
I wondered what she was on those last few days, but from immobility rigidity silence and stariness on her infrequent and brief appearances was plumping more for something like thorazine.
What gets me are the people calling for The Return of Boris–don’t they remember the constant PR political and legal ruckuses, all powered by elite contempt for appearances, ethics, and the laws they prosecuted and jailed “little people” for violating?

Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 21 2022 23:40 utc | 113

watcher | Oct 21 2022 21:49 utc | 86
Agreed. I was taught the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism by Jewish anti-war socialists in the 1960’s. A difference some still struggle with, apparently. I also learned a bunch of new to me cool words like schmuck, my personal favorite. Come to think of it, we seem to be attracting some schmucks lately.

Posted by: Zed | Oct 21 2022 23:42 utc | 114

watcher | Oct 21 2022 21:49 utc | 86
Agreed. I was taught the difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism by Jewish anti-war socialists in the 1960’s. A difference some still struggle with, apparently. I also learned a bunch of new to me cool words like schmuck, my personal favorite. Come to think of it, we seem to be attracting some schmucks lately.

Posted by: Zed | Oct 21 2022 23:42 utc | 115

To find out who rules over you, find out who you are not allowed to criticize.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 21 2022 23:50 utc | 116

JEN | Oct 21 2022 23:26 utc | 115
Yep. And eloquently argued.
Just as rabbis have been exposed graffitiing their own synagogs to decry they are targets (victims) of antisemitism, I think some posters target this site with extreme (almost deranged) posts… with the same purpose.
This site needs to be able to discuss and dissect the influence and power of the international trans borders Jewish | Zionist | Israel First coalition.
Having threads choked with repetitive, emotive and extremist posts from a single respawning contributor, is a strategy to discredit the site, and prevent the type of discussion that is needed in identifying the power of the Zionist push.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 23:52 utc | 117

John Kennard | Oct 21 2022 23:40 utc | 118
“………people calling for the return of Boris”.
You know these things can be manipulated, right?
Which “people” are calling for Boris?
Like a PR campaign directed by Boris and his flunkies ?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 23:57 utc | 118

re John Kennard | Oct 21 2022 23:40 utc | 118
“…The Return of Boris–don’t they remember the constant PR political and legal ruckuses, all powered by elite contempt for appearances, ethics, and the laws they prosecuted and jailed “little people” for violating?”
those have all gone down the Memory Hole, John
going from bad to worse
& see below.
in a word, the UK is f**ked no matter who is next PM
https://www.indianpunchline.com/the-wasteland-of-british-politics/
The wasteland of British politics
“Around ‘20 to 30’ former ministers and senior backbenchers are attempting to find a way for a ‘council of elders’ to tell Truss to quit.” The coup is executed almost openly by the world’s banks and asset managers with the rising expectation that the new team might restore confidence in the UK economy — while, in reality, would satisfy the interests of the financial oligarchy.
If the trick doesn’t work or if something goes seriously wrong, there is Plan B — a general election. The interesting part is that if the opposition Labour wins — as it well might with current polling figures showing that the Conservatives will be reduced to just 85 seats, down from 356, and their worst ever result by far — the interests of the financial oligarchy will remain utterly safe in the hands of Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, who can be trusted to subserve the global speculators and corporate boardrooms. After the overthrow of Jeremy Corbyn, there was a thorough purge of his flock of socialists…..”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 21 2022 23:58 utc | 119

sorry really should have been in the other thread. mil disculpas,

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 22 2022 0:00 utc | 120

Posted by: JEN | Oct 21 2022 23:26 utc | 115
curious?
no you’re not. That was just a complicated word salad that translates as “the joos did it”
FYI I don’t think such talk is antisemetic.
I think it comes from people, particularly right wing types who need a bogeyman to blame for class warfare because calling our the actual war against the working class is forbidden. So supposedly or actually Jewish led Davos becomes the scarecrow instead of plain old capitalism no matter who does it.
@ tenet
Marx was not the father of Sociology
@ Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 23:52 utc | 122
“This site needs to be able to discuss and dissect the influence and power of the international trans borders Jewish | Zionist | Israel First coalition”.
No it doesn’t!
and not because zionism doesn’t exist but it is vastly subordinate to the true source of trouble in this world: end stage individualistic consumer capitalism. Follow Zionism conspiracies and you are in a rabbit hole quicker than you can say Tar Baby. This site would be a laughing stock in about the same amount of time. No thanks.

Posted by: K | Oct 22 2022 0:03 utc | 121

@ Posted by: uncensored | Oct 21 2022 23:04 utc | 111
As interesting as splitting hairs.
Long ago the levant region was the frontier of Ancient Egypt and Assyria. The borders changed as frequently as which army dominated the area. The native residents either being enslaved or worse. On the whims of the local warlord victor. An excellent spot to eliminate a troublesome batch of religious whack jobs as border cannon fodder.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 22 2022 0:04 utc | 122

I thought this was the Ukraine open thread.

Posted by: Leroy | Oct 22 2022 0:12 utc | 123

Leroy | Oct 22 2022 0:12 utc | 128
Haven’t (as yet) been totally derailed by the permanently and persistently Tony-offTopic and his narcissistic stream of consciousness diary entries.
So there’s that.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 0:28 utc | 124

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 21 2022 20:11 utc | 61
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 21 2022 20:56 utc | 69
Posted by: marko | Oct 21 2022 21:12 utc | 73
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 21 2022 21:19 utc | 75
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 21 2022 21:23 utc | 77
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 21 2022 21:29 utc | 80
So here we have the Marko and Zanon Troll show on MoA today. They are a tag team that work together to create doom and gloom on behalf of the Western liars who are responsible for all this death and destruction in Ukraine, and all the economic and political turmoil around the world due to US/UK/EU sanctions that were not necessary and should have never been imposed in the first place.
Marco and Zanon, just imagine how things would be in Ukraine today if only US President Biden would have been wise enough, and far sited enough, to have agreed with Putin that Russia has right to be secure in its own borders and just said no to NATO expansion into Ukraine. Ukraine would still be Ukraine, but with about 100,000 thousand more living citizens and a healthy infrastructure. The Donbass would still be Ukrainian, with the only difference being that the people living there would be enjoying greater human rights protections from the neo-Nazis that were spawned by Western Ukraine hate and US prodding and plotting. Nazis that wanted to deprive them of their language and culture, and their land and homes. Their plan, in conjunction with US special business was to drive the Russian speaking people out of Eastern Ukraine so that the land and natural resources could be handed over to the Corporate States of America.
If Biden would have been half the man that President Kennedy was, Germans, and other Europeans would be sleeping warm and comfortably in their beds this winter because Nord Stream One and Two would be providing them was low-cost energy, as it has done so for many years.
Tens of thousands of mothers, fathers, spouses, and siblings in Ukraine and Russia, who are today morning their dead sons and daughters, would be living normal lives with their families intact.
But no, Biden does not have the moral strength and courage to see into the future. He is an old and demented man who knows that he is dying soon and doesn’t care about the carnage he leaves behind, and that carnage it is great, and it was all unnecessary.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 22 2022 0:31 utc | 125

@ Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 23:57 utc | 123
@ Michaelj72 | Oct 22 2022 0:00 utc | 125
Sorry about the OT.
Reposted to the non-UKR thread.

Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 22 2022 0:33 utc | 126

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 21 2022 22:43 utc | 104
British, Germans, Americans, Ukrainians, bla bla bla.
We just don’t get it: all those entities are occupied territories. Those pulling the strings use nation states both for funding and cover with nary a thought for the interests and well-beings of those who live in those countries.
Whoever ‘they’ are is hard to say but they sure as hell aren’t ‘us!’
(Another example of the power of language, which seems to make straightforward sense on the surface, to confuse. Well, it’s normal: we live in the Empire of Lies!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 22 2022 0:34 utc | 127

K | Oct 22 2022 0:03 utc | 126
You are aware that not one western leader becomes leader (remains leader) without pledging fealty to Israel, right?
Truss was in office “40daysand40nights” and she dutifully delivered the prerequisite pledge(s):
https://www.jewishpress.com › news › israel › liz-truss-friend-of-israel-becomes-uks-56th-prime-minister › 2022 › 09 › 05
Liz Truss, Friend of Israel, Becomes UK’s 56th Prime Minister
5 Sep 2022Liz Truss, Friend of Israel, Becomes UK’s 56th Prime Minister By David Israel
https://www.jpost.com › international › article-716357
New UK PM Truss is a true friend of Israel, Lapid says
5 Sep 2022 “I congratulate my new friend, a true friend of Israel Liz Truss, who was elected prime minister of Great Britain,” Lapid said. The UK and Israel are united by a shared “commitment…
https://www.cufi.org.uk › news › israeli-leaders-welcome-friend-of-israel-liz-truss-as-new-uk-prime-minister
Israeli leaders welcome ‘friend of Israel’ Liz Truss as new UK Prime …
6 Sep 2022Sep 6, 2022 | News Israel’s leaders and the British Jewish community have welcomed the new UK Prime Minister to her role after Liz Truss was elected to lead the Conservative Party. Israeli Prime Minister Yair Lapid congratulated “my good friend and a great friend of Israel” Liz Truss.
https://www.timesofisrael.com › where-does-new-british-pm-liz-truss-stand-on-ties-with-israel-and-uk-jewry
Where does new British PM Liz Truss stand on ties with Israel and UK …
5 Sep 2022LONDON — Liz Truss, named as Britain’s new prime minister on Monday, is a strong supporter of Israel and a self-proclaimed ally of the Jewish community.
https://www.thejc.com › news › politics › the-tories-tipped-to-replace-liz-truss-what-are-their-views-on-jews-and-israel-54wm8LczDjE7xKnVOZf2wB
The Tories tipped to replace Liz Truss: What are their views on Jews …
2 days agoFormer chancellor Rishi Sunak is undoubtedly the frontrunner among MPs in the race to replace Liz Truss. The ex-hedge fund manager told a Conservative Friends of Israel hustings in July…
https://themuslimvibe.com › muslim-current-affairs-news › lis-truss-israel
Could Liz Truss be the most pro-Israel British PM ever?
29 Sep 2022As a fervent endorser of Israel, Liz Truss stated, “The UK stands by Israel, and its right to defend itself” following Israel’s bombings of the besieged Gaza strip in August 2022. The Israeli strikes killed at least 45 Palestinian civilians, including 15 children.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 0:41 utc | 128

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 21 2022 21:55 utc | 88

I called out “Arch Bungle”‘s antisemitic post the other day myself.

No you didn’t, imbecile.
I have never made an anti-semitic comment in my life.
I challenge you to post evidence of an anti-semitic comment I’ve made.
Go on, I’ll wait.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 0:43 utc | 129

@ Bodim.M | Oct 21 2022 15:58 utc | 2
Take a wider perspective. Consider every news story about inflation in England, or a factory closing in Germany as if it was a report of a Ukrainian town being captured.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 22 2022 0:45 utc | 130

hum?
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-179
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.
Please stick to the topic.
—————–
hoi’s that workin’ out b?

Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 0:50 utc | 131

Melalueca no. 133
Not one of those links opened. Each one resulted in the letters “xn” after the main initial name of the website, and had error.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 22 2022 1:07 utc | 132

Melalueca no. 133
Here’s an example:
“This site can’t be reached
http://www.timesofisrael.xn--com%20%20where-does-new-british-pm-liz-truss-stand-on-ties-with-israel-and-uk-jewry-yo44c’s DNS address could not be found. Diagnosing the problem.”

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 22 2022 1:12 utc | 133

This site seems to be taken over by Jewish trolls, but they will ultimately lose their renewed conquest of this world. Where to begin:
1. Yes they do own Hollywood and the stench that it has been spewing out, to brainwash the dumbed and illiterate to keep them quiet.
2. All potential protests movements like occupy wall street, Black lives matter bribed and bought by Soros and co.
3. Most warmongers are Jewish: Kissinger, Albright, blinken, macron, sarkozy, Boris ,yetenyahu, staimer etc, etc. Etc etc!!!!
4. Who have massacred Palestinians at will on their homeland for decades?
5. Who promote homosexuality, LGBT, wokeiesm and all the rest of this depraved world has become? I can right for days but your days are numbered.
A few centuries ago. They ran Jews out of Europe. They got refuge in moor Spain. Turkey, Russia, Iran etc.. This time everybody left alive looking for you.
America is the most evil country in the world and guess what? Run by Jews, and so is most of Europe.
It is no use begging like in the past for Russia is getting rid of you and china will drop you at the appropriate time. Oh! The rest is waiting to exact revenge.

Posted by: Karl luck | Oct 22 2022 1:23 utc | 134

Melalueca no. 133
Not one of those links opened. Each one resulted in the letters “xn” after the main initial name of the website, and had error.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 22 2022 1:07 utc | 137

Perhaps Melaleuca intended them as navigation paths rather than links, but this was foiled by this website’s software.

Posted by: David Levin | Oct 22 2022 1:34 utc | 135

I know that Russia can destroy the entire Europe. I know that china will never let Russia fail. The evil west has shown their racist cards. After ccp congress and G20 see gloves come off
The talk of negotiations coming from the west because they see the writing on the wall, but it is too late.

Posted by: Karl luck | Oct 22 2022 1:38 utc | 136

It is ludicrous to blame B for what commenters post. Everyone must take responsibility for themselves.
Louis Proyect is an idiot, to boot.
As for what happened to Zelensky, Skiffer posted something a while back that I saved for future use when talking to idiots who think that Zelensky has been president since the coup in 2014. (I miss Skiffer.)
“There was a breaking point early into Zelensky’s presidency where he and his team was made aware of the position of both president and parliament in Ukraine in the overall pecking order. The chiefly ceremonial transition of power was still in progress, coupled with nearly a month of relative calm devoid of street action by right-wing radical organizations, as they too reassessed whether they still had state backing or would be held accountable for past misdeeds.
Suddenly, hostilities on the front-line with Donbas resumed, and with such ferocity that it spilled over onto the UN platform and threatened to bury the Minsk agreement there and then. Zelensky was basically called to the front with this provocation, which gave us the notorious exchange of him trying to dress down the military: “I’m 40-something years old and I’m the president — I’m not some shmuck.” The military told him to go fuck himself and that they would do what they want, that they do not answer to him. That much was obvious by infuriated statements made by his cadre on return to Kiev.
Back in Kiev, Zelensky and his party of clowns attempted to push back by quickly formulating a law proposal, restricting the use of weapons on the front-lines to only be used in response. Needless to say, this stirred such a hornet’s nest that the proposal was scuttled before the ink had time to dry; perhaps someone was even made to eat the paper.
That week it was made apparent to everyone that neither the president nor a parliamentary majority had any control over the military or security services. Protests by right-wing radicals erupted all over, with police supervision. Court-houses and government buildings were stormed, the president’s office was vandalized and the state appointed security detail responsible for “protecting” Zelensky abandoned their positions for the duration. The message was unequivocal — the nationalists are in control of all state organizations capable of projecting force and the political establishment is merely a figleaf on a military junta.
Following this cold shower, team Zelensky reorganized the party apparatus who hadn’t even had time to warm up their seats, they rubber-stamped the advisory positions of prominent neo-Nazi figureheads to positions within both political and security organizations — presumably, for the people actually in charge to have more immediate access to their respective areas of responsibility. The only aspect that wasn’t flipped like a pancake was the conciliatory rhetoric coming out of Zelensky — in this, he was braver than his spokespeople who put on their brown shirts almost immediately.
That is not to say that there weren’t nationalist tendencies within Zelensky’s party even on the campaign trail — it is my impression that Ukrainians in general, even when neither particularly radical or militaristic, are generally comfortable with ethno-nationalist ideology or, at best, downplay the significance of discriminatory or hostile ideas, symbols and statements to themselves.
For eight years, the Russian information sphere was saturated with coverage of manifestations of Ukrainian neo-nazi ideology and always tried to bring in Ukrainian political analysts to explain their position. That position, without fail, almost always amounted to marginalization — deeds, images and statements were made by or depicted nobodies who held no power and did not represent official Ukraine, even when these nobodies were official representatives of Ukraine, advisors to the same or acting with the approval of Ukrainian officials. At most, manifestations of government approved neo-nazi ideology was labelled as “excessive” by Ukrainian political analysts, embarrassing not for the evil that it represented but for the negative impact it might have on PR.”
Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 22 2022 10:41 utc | 248

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 22 2022 1:38 utc | 137

The bleats of anti semetic bias ruining this site. Putin has stated this battle is against the satanists. And who are the satanists ? Lets look at this interesting event. organized by the Zionist Organization of America, you know those lovely innocent guys just tryn to make a buck in a bad world. Unfairly smeared by all
Soldier field chigago usa 1933.
https://floridanationalists.com/2022/09/16/video-150k-jews-gather-in-chicago-for-child-sacrifice-ritual-first-president-of-israel-in-attendance/
Id say like the opening 2022 commonwealth games in london. If you build a huge fire breathing half man half cow statue and worship it ,its moloch. Satan worship. Simple no wiggle room by definition on that.
In the 1933 version they throw wat looks like babies into it. Ahh its just some guys messing about naked george bush stated when questioned about the same stuff at bohemian grove. Yep satanists run your nations and they openly come from one tribe . Yes its a small club and to get into it you worship satan.
Maybe the poor jews shouldnt be so cosy with zionism is they are so innocent. And maybe the shmear of anti semetic needs bandaid tearing to show more of who these groups are. Joan rivers quoted it perfectly . ” yes we jews run everything” lgbt? Only religion accepts 8 genders as normal? Thats written in the talmud if you care to look that up.
Now back to killing the satan nations for those that seek a future not of depraved morals.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 22 2022 1:46 utc | 138

This info is useful. Many here have already been trained in this info…
https://edith.reisen/computers/security/forum_shills.html

Posted by: someguy from yrs ago | Oct 22 2022 1:50 utc | 139

(SunnyRunnyBurger posting)
These are rhetorical questions, the answers are obvious and boring.
Why shouldn’t Zelensky being jewish in some form be as relevant as if he was anything else?
Why would anyone call for removing information about jews in Ukraine (in this case)? Are they also calling for removing information about christians, muslims, buddhists, atheists, or anything else in Ukraine (in this case)?
I repeat: these are rhetorical questions, the answers are obvious and boring.
I don’t see the point in denial of a very strong jewish influence in Ukraine, or the very strong connections between Ukraine and Israel due to WWII as well as recently, or the very strange relationship between Ukrainian neo-nazis and Ukrainian jews and Israel, since everyone here already knows.
And if they don’t they can go read Israeli and jewish media sources concerning all of this in Ukraine!
Or why not start with the famous stuff like the WWII massacre Babi Yar in Ukraine or the Israeli/jewish pilgrimage and tourism to Uman (the Rosh Hashana kibbutz) in Ukraine?
Or maybe this information is “too jewish” to be “legit” and too racist because it’s factual or not enough about Ukraine.
Okay now I’ve cared enough about jews for today, not caring any more 😀
And for the morons/tourists: yes I’m taking the piss out of you (Ukraine!).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 22 2022 1:53 utc | 140

ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 22 2022 1:07 utc | 137
Try search engine of choice: “Liz Truss friend of Israel”.
Then try it with any leader (and opposition leader) in a western country.
Find how many make a pledge of support and “friendship” to Israel.
Find how many make an address at AIPAC or the national local equivalent.
David Levin | Oct 22 2022 1:34 utc | 140
Yep. A laundry list of examples that show a leader must show fealty and be embraced as “a friend of Israel”. Boris is just such a “friend”, as is Keir Stammer….. Jeremy Corbin was a friend of Palestine…. Hence his problems with the brutish media and subsequent demise…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 1:58 utc | 141

Posted by: K | Oct 22 2022 0:03 utc | 126
Speaking of word salads, what was that all about? Zionism is not the same as Judaism. Even True Torah Jews do not support the occupier of Palestine. And of course there’s the USS Liberty incident in 1967
“Thou dost protest too much”

Posted by: ianMoone | Oct 22 2022 2:16 utc | 142

I’m the enemy.
https://youtu.be/SBjQ9tuuTJQ
Who are you?

Posted by: CitizenKayne | Oct 22 2022 2:24 utc | 143

Some days ago I posted a comment, based on my own observations and deductions, that Russia has no standing professional army at all but an officer corps, a real and file comprised of one year conscripts, and depends on 6 month contract soldiers to do the fighting. I carried it a neoliberal profit worshipper military model.
In response I was abused by people who seem to believe ad hominem invective is a substitute for a reasoned response.
Well, here is the military analyst “Big Serge” saying literally exactly the same thing, in a highly pro Russia article:
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/politics-by-other-means
Excerpt:

“The light force deployment is related to Russia’s rather unique service model, which has combined “contract soldiers” – the professional core of the army – with a reservist pool that is generated with an annual conscription wave….The transition from a Soviet mobilization scheme to a smaller, leaner, professional ready force was part and parcel of Russia’s neoliberal austerity regime throughout much of the Putin years…It cannot…wage a multi-year continental war against an enemy which outnumbers it by at least four to one, and which is sustained with intelligence, command and control, and material which are beyond its immediate reach…More force deployment is needed.”

This article was also quoted extensively and approvingly on another highly pro Russia article by Mike Whitney on Unz:
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/putins-winter-offensive/#new_comments
I assume that I can expect an apology now? If the abusers were abusing in good faith?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 22 2022 2:25 utc | 144

Like another poster noted, it sure is a troll-fire sale today…learning which posters to skip makes it much easier, however, I sometimes need to guffaw at the insanity and word salad espoused by them, as it helps to understand the sick minds behind the deep state of the US/UK and the Ukrainians.
Thanks to all the regulars for your observations and assessments as it helps to understand the contextual parameters not being voiced by the western MSM. Have a good weekend barflies.

Posted by: Arcticman | Oct 22 2022 2:27 utc | 145

@ moccasin @ 35
‘Mass graves of indigenous children in Canada is a truth that can not be reconciled , a more truthful view the federal government, it’s a racist tyrannical police state.’
And you were doing so well. I agree with most of what you say, even that Canada has become something approaching a police state; the mandating of ‘vaccine passes’ to enter a restaurant and the threat to freeze the bank accounts of those who supported the trucker convoy were a national disgrace, and Justin Trudeau is a leader like Pussy Riot is a band. But mass graves of indigenous children in Canada remains a completely unsubstantiated accusation. Not a single such grave has been found, and the native leaders have formed study groups with non-native sympathizers to ‘discuss’ how they’re going to verify the graves’ existence. NOBODY wants to dig, because they have a pretty good idea what they will find – tree roots and other natural anomalies.
The trumpeting of the ‘find’ is the triumph of ‘activist anthropologist’ Sarah Beaulieu, who seized control of the news cycle with her inflammatory accusations. It was she who commissioned the use of ground-penetrating radar which ‘discovered the gravesites’. The natives in Canada are now riding a hot streak in which they are deferred to in every official act by the Canadian and provincial governments – nobody dares commission new parkland without ‘consulting the elders’ and seeking ‘indigenous wisdom’. Statues are torn down if their namesake ever had anything negative to do with the natives, including that of Canada’s first Prime Minister, and museum displays in my home province are being emptied of their ‘colonialist’ artifacts to make way for more native art. All, all of that might collapse if there were to be public operations to exhume the bodies of native children, and nothing of the kind could be found.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/19/not-one-corpse-has-been-found-in-the-mass-grave-of-indigenous-children-in-canada/
https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/kamloops-mass-grave-debunked-biggest-fake-news-in-canada/
I apologize for going off topic, but I have just had enough of that whitey-always-lies bullshit. Residential schools might have been a terrible idea, you could argue that. But stop with the hundreds upon hundreds of unmarked graves of indigenous children, or get out there with a shovel.

Posted by: Mark | Oct 22 2022 2:53 utc | 146

Posted by: Mark | Oct 22 2022 2:53 utc | 151
Excellent post! As a (fellow?) Canadian, I appreciate learning more about our true history. And sadly the more I know the more I understand how we turned into to such a cesspool

Posted by: ianMoone | Oct 22 2022 4:01 utc | 147

My recollection from my visit to Kherson ten years ago was that most of the city sits about 30 meters higher than the river below. The port and industrial facilities would be damaged by a flood, but, not the civilian residential areas. Also, the flood plain is miles wide before it gets to Kherson. The lake level when full is only 13 meters above sea level. So, the city if Kherson itself is not at any significant risk from a dam breach.
The main danger of a Ukrainian strike on the dam is the destruction of the bridgehead. This would temporarily limit Russian troop movement and resupply to Kherson from Crimea.
The primary purpose of the evacuation of civilians from Kherson is to minimize the casualties from Ukrainian artillery and to give the Russian military a free hand to deploy defenses against a Ukrainian offensive.

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Oct 22 2022 4:05 utc | 148

“Thou dost protest too much”
Posted by: ianMoone | Oct 22 2022 2:16 utc | 147
OFGS I’m not Jewish you moron. Did you even read my post?
I’m just sick of the Jew conspiracy posters taking up space. But whatever it’s not my call and off topic as well.

Posted by: K | Oct 22 2022 4:12 utc | 149

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 22 2022 2:25 utc | 149
Some days ago I posted a comment, based on my own observations and deductions, that Russia has no standing professional army at all…
In response I was abused by people who seem to believe ad hominem invective is a substitute for a reasoned response…
I assume that I can expect an apology now? If the abusers were abusing in good faith?
It was I that said that you were an idiot (ad hominem invective). I’ve read enough of you over the years that based on my own observation and deductions, I maintain that you’re an idiot. Your previous post, that you reference, was just your crowning achievement, as an idiot. Rather than my ad hominem invective being a substitute for a reasoned response, it was very reasoned, and an appropriate response. You assume that you can expect an apology? Well you can assume all you want, and there in lies one of your issues – you assume a lot, and your assumptions lead you to make unreasoned conclusions and statements. Basing arguments on free floating assumptions is lazy thinking. So, there you are, you’re a lazy idiot. But wait, there’s more.
You evince a lack of reading comprehension. Notably you seem to have not noticed this part of your own quote (emphasized by me so you can’t possibly miss it this time around) “The light force deployment is related to Russia’s rather unique service model, which has combined “contract soldiers” – the professional core of the army…” I’ve read that article and it’s a good one. I note that you left out the very next sentence in your quoted paragraph (heavy on the ellipsis by you) which states: “Russia consequentially has a two-tiered military model, with a world class professional ready force and a large pool of reserve cadres that can be dipped into…” Notice the word professional in those two sentences? So, we have 1) you’re an idiot; 2) you’re a lazy thinker; 3) you can’t comprehend what you read; 4) you misrepresent what you quote. So, I guess I do have to apologize. But to the bar. Not to you. I’m sorry all, I wasn’t accurate when I called BP an idiot. He is in fact a lazy, ignorant, and mendacious idiot.

Posted by: scuppers | Oct 22 2022 4:16 utc | 150

@151 Mark
Thank you for pointing out that mass graves of indigenous children in Canada remain an unsubstantiated accusation.
I forget what ethnicity the academic belongs to who brought the claims to the public for which the Pope made a special trip to beg forgiveness, but they were not European heritage stock.
They even sonared the earth below and around the school in question and found no human remains at all.
Why Canada has not gone on record to at least say these claims are as of yet unsubstantiated speaks to the ongoing effort to instill guilt in Europeans both in Canada and the U.S. and, as usual, stands to make a lot of money for some colored-opportunists.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 22 2022 4:27 utc | 151

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 22 2022 1:53 utc | 145

These are rhetorical questions, the answers are obvious and boring.
Why shouldn’t Zelensky being jewish in some form be as relevant as if he was anything else?
Why would anyone call for removing information about jews in Ukraine (in this case)?

I think the answers go deeper and that they’re more than about “the jews”.
The problem in essence has nothing to do with “the jews”.
The problem has to do with the unwarranted capture of a power structure by elite minorities.
It doesn’t matter whether these “elite minorities” are jews.
They could as well have been muslims, Han chinese, Roma Gypsies, Tartar Buddhists.
If a handful of Tartar Buddhists were now sitting atop the power structure of Ukraine, and in obvious collusion with an elite minority of Tartar Buddhists who occupy prominent positions in the US State Department, The EU and the UK, I would be extremely suspicious and call for an explanation.
Exactly in the same way I’d be suspicious if a handful of Han Chinese came to occupy the most powerful positions in Norway.
Did they collude, as an ethno-cultural/ideological group, in favour of their own kind for purpose of capturing power over the majority?
And of course, when such an elite ruling minority forbids any discussion of “Han Chinese” (e.g) and their disproportionate hold on power, you can be sure they don’t want you to know how they came upon their power …
Since they they represent close-knit, distinctive cultural groups with their own unique ideologies, religious values and ethics, how can such minorities be trusted to champion the needs of the majority?
In the past, when elite minorities gained power over the majority it never worked out well.
There is good reason to be suspicious when too many of one minority group capture the power structure of a state.
In the past, we were told this capture was due to “meritocracy”:
“These people are in power because they are naturally gifted, they are superior to you, they are gifted in the sciences and arts and it is suitable that they govern you”.
But if the current crop of “elite minorities” ruling over Ukraine have taught us anything it’s that they are not there by virtue of merit.
In fact, quite the opposite.
The time of the “Brahmin Caste” in all it’s myriad forms has long passed.
Their power should be questioned without shame.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 4:41 utc | 152

“These people are in power because they are naturally gifted, they are superior to you, they are gifted in the sciences and arts and it is suitable that they govern you”.
In English this is called “Aristocracy” ie “Rule by the Best”
Everyone in a superior position is there by merit because they told you so……….question is just how fluid is that meritocracy ?
What is more interesting is how much influence Henry Ford and John D Rockefeller still have through their Foundations or the Bertelsmann Foundation which is a tax shield owning >75% Bertelsmann and gaining tax-free dividends
Anglo-Saxon Trusts restrict how much ownership of any one company can be held – but not Germany.
Excessive Wealth hides in Fiundations and Trusts to “altruistically” bribe politicians

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 22 2022 5:15 utc | 153

Russia has significantly strengthened the grouping of its troops in the Kherson region, so the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot conduct a successful offensive. This was stated on Channel 5 by the former speaker of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Vladislav Seleznev, PolitNavigator reports.
“We know that fierce local battles are now taking place on the right bank of the Dnieper in its lower reaches, there is no advancement of the Ukrainian defense forces as part of the counteroffensive, since the Russians have dragged additional reserves to the right bank …
The fights there are actually extremely tough. Moreover, the Russians have recently begun to receive in sufficient quantities all the logistics components, because more or less pontoon-bridge crossings across the Dnieper are operating for the supply of goods, ammunition and weapons, a bridge is operating near the dam in Novaya Kakhovka, they are trying to actively use pontoon-bridge crossings and other infrastructure facilities to deliver weapons, ammunition and other components …
That is, the situation for the Ukrainian defense forces, taking into account the fact that the Russians have a considerable number of troops there, according to some estimates, it is believed that there are up to 30 thousand of them, plus they have more or less stable logistics. That is, the situation for the Ukrainian defense forces there is not easy,” Seleznyov said.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15891

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 6:13 utc | 154

Never fear, “if” Republicans “win” midterms, Mitch McConnell (Senate) promises to speed up delivery of weapons and cash to Ukraine: 10/21/22, “A Republican majority in the Senate will focus its oversight on ensuring timely delivery of needed weapons and greater allied assistance to Ukraine…This must include additional air defenses, long-range fires, and humanitarian and economic support to help this war-torn country endure the coming winter….The United States Congress has funded and approved ongoing aid on an overwhelming bipartisan basis. It is not enough for the Biden Administration to slowly, eventually get around to providing it. It must be expedited.”…https://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2022/10/democrats-must-stop-fighting-american-energy-and-start-aiding-ukraine-faster….In Jan. 2019 McConnell stopped any chance of US troop withdrawals from Syria or Afghan….He also passed an amendment to rebuke Trump which easily passed the Senate in Jan. 2019 including votes of 4 new GOP Senators (Nov. 2018 midterms) only weeks into their tenure, all of whom owed their come from behind victories to Trump’s support for them: Marsha Blackburn (Tenn.), Mike Braun (Ind.), Josh Hawley (Missouri) and Rick Scott (Florida–who survived a recount…https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rick-scott-wins-florida-us-senate-1.4910822)….https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/02/mcconnell-and-the-iron-triangle-vs-trump-and-the-voters/
https://twitter.com/LeaderMcConnell/status/1092906754315374592
….8/31/2020, “Voting in a de facto military state,“ Patrick Lawrence, Consortium News…https://consortiumnews.com/2020/08/31/patrick-lawrence-voting-in-a-de-facto-military-state/

Posted by: susan mullen | Oct 22 2022 6:15 utc | 155

Servicemen of the Russian Airborne Troops inspect the equipment of the 1st Mechanized Battalion of the 28th Specialized Rifle Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was destroyed during the battle in the Krivoy Rog direction.
In particular, the footage shows the T-72 tanks delivered to the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Macedonia, as well as the BRDM and MTLB. In addition to equipment, dead Ukrainian soldiers also remained at the battlefield.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15893

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 6:15 utc | 156

Gas: The Invisible Treasure.
The EU is planning to examine closely the question of creating a European cartel for gas purchases. At this time, it will coordinate only 15% of all imports.
Since the gas price ceiling mechanism has not been implemented yet (and probably won’t ever be), the EU authorities have decided to approach this problem from a different angle. It is a good idea: joint gas purchases would allow them to put the seller under pressure because the volumes are higher. However, this scheme only would really works in the case of contract purchases, while the Europeans themselves lobbied for a switch to spot purchases. Centralized purchasing would indeed bring the price down a bit, but it might even become more expensive for the end consumers due to the famous European bureaucracy.
The European cartel will be a huge and clumsy structure, which will hide behind endless regulations and suck money out of the wallets of European taxpayers because another army of clerks will have to be fed. And as more countries join this cartel, so more cumbersome the structure will be. As a gas exporter, there is no difference for Russia as to whom sells to, especially if all the flows go through the Turkish hub. Europe will be in direct contact with Turkey, so the price will be set at this level as well.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15898

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 6:17 utc | 157

@pretzelattack | Oct 21 2022 21:21 utc | 76

winter is coming, according to the gmartin books, and it can’t get here too soon according to me. maybe the trolls will hibernate, too.

In Norway, there is a fairy tale about “The trolls of the Hedal forest”, where the trolls don’t have eyes but a hole in the forehead where a removable eye fits and just a single eye to share between them. The one who currently has the eye walks in front, the second holds on to the first troll, the third holds on to the second and so on.
Not having eyes, the trolls do not develop independent views, they only ‘see’ what the lead troll tells them.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 6:39 utc | 158

Maybe, while taking out the energy infrastructure of Ukraine, Russia should take out the energy infrastructure of the US/UK, what do you think? Imagine a broken-down UK?US and what kind of impact of that in Europe and/or world.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 6:40 utc | 159

What happens, if/when the gas tanker owners get a veiled ‘prediction’ that some of them might get sunk in the high seas, would they still ‘sail’ to Europe?

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 6:45 utc | 160

⚡Zelensky’s office confirms new massive attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15914

Kiev is burning.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15917

❗Ukrenergo introduces a temporary limitation of electricity consumption in :
▪️Kyiv and region.
▪️Chernihiv region.
▪️Zhytomyr region.
▪️Cherkasy region.
▪️Chernihiv region.
The list will probably grow.
⚡⚡Electricity is completely lost in Rivne and Khmelnitsky

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15919

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 6:47 utc | 161

@Tenet | Oct 21 2022 21:38 utc | 82
I read your post to be anti censorship, in which case I agree.
You have a great moniker by the way, you may be interested in this wonderful melody Tenet (ᛏ ᛅ ᚾ ᛅ ᛏ), it is full of symmetries.
ᛋ ᚨ ᛏ ᛟ ᚱ
ᚨ ᚱ ᛅ ᛈ ᛟ
ᛏ ᛅ ᚾ ᛅ ᛏ
ᛟ ᛈ ᛅ ᚱ ᚨ
ᚱ ᛟ ᛏ ᚨ ᛋ

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 6:55 utc | 162

Louis Proyekt is one of the most disagreeable and disreputable of all the old Trotskyites. He’s off in a world by himself, somehow separated from the Straussian Neo-Cons, because he still clings to many of his ancient Trot shibboleths as well as his rabid Zionisim.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2022 3:46 utc | 157
Louis Proyect is dead.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 22 2022 7:06 utc | 163

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 0:41 utc | 133
You give Truss O’Leary far too much credit. She is an empty vessel as they say filled with speech and thoughts by those around her……She is a “golem”
Israel’s embassy assigns a “mentor” to any British PM – Harold Wilson got Joe Kagan; Blair got Michael Levy; Cameron (although boasting about his Dutch Jewish antecedents) got Stanley Fink……Thatcher was surrounded……….
It is truly pathetic but it helps UK align with Washington

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 22 2022 7:09 utc | 164

👴🇺🇸🇺🇦🇷🇺Joe Biden-“We have spent a lot of money to help Ukrainians. But it’s much more than about Ukrainians, it’s about NATO, about Western Europe, “It concerns ensuring that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin could not succeed.”
He said in an interview with MSNBC

https://t.me/azmilitary11/26321

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 7:11 utc | 165

🇷🇺 This morning, strikes were carried out on Ukraine energy infrastructure facilities in:
▪️in Kiev.
▪️ Odessa region.
▪️ Khmelnytskyi.
▪️in Dnepropetrovsk.
▪️In Lutsk.
▪️ Sumy
▪️ Volyn.
▪️ Kovele.
▪️ In Lviv.
▪️ In Nikolaev.
▪️ Kirovograd region.
▪️ Chernihiv region.
The air alert is still active throughout Ukraine, further strikes are possible.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/26326

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 7:22 utc | 166

⚡🇩🇪𝗘𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗰 𝗰𝗮𝗿𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗚𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗺𝗮𝘆 𝗳𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝘃𝗶𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗺 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗿𝗴𝘆 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝘀𝗶𝘀 – 𝗗𝗲𝗿 𝗦𝗽𝗶𝗲𝗴𝗲𝗹
Internal combustion engines might now be more economical than electric ones
The current 𝗲𝗻𝗲𝗿𝗴𝘆 𝗰𝗿𝗶𝘀𝗶𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗘𝘂𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗲 could put the brakes on electric mobility in Germany and make e-vehicles unattractive to potential customers, Der Spiegel reported on Friday.
There’s also a shortage of public charging stations across Germany, according to Der Spiegel.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15923

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 7:28 utc | 167

aristodemos | Oct 22 2022 3:46 utc | 157
Louis Proyect…..is off in a world by himself
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 22 2022 7:06 utc | 175
Louis Proyect is dead.
So……off world, then…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2022 7:34 utc | 168

Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 22 2022 2:25 utc | 149
Thanks for posting towards two sources whose comments can be taken as serious & realistic

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 7:39 utc | 169

🇷🇺🚀💥🇺🇦Summary of arrivals as of 5 minutes ago local time in Ukraine on 10/22/2022
Another morning was marked by a new wave of arrivals on Ukrainecritical infrastructure facilities. Judging by the emerging information about the partial blackout in the western regions of Ukraine, the morning missile strikes hit Ukraine power system. In a number of cities of Ukraine, problems with electricity are becoming almost chronic — Ukrenergo informs about the restriction electricity supplies to the capital and beyond.
💥 At the moment, it is known about arrivals in:
— Kiev region
— Odessa region
— Khmelnitsky region
— Rivne region
— Lviv region
— Volyn region
— Kirovograd region
— Nikolayev region
🚫⚡️ Power outages in:
— Kirovograd region
— Odessa region
— Rivne region
— Mykolaiv region
— Volyn region (Lutsk and Kovel)
— Khmelnytskyi
🚫💧 The water supply in the:
— Khmelnitsky…. P.S. It is Ukraine who fired at themselves.This is all a provocation.Russia ran out of rockets back in March.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/26330

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 7:44 utc | 170

@susan mullen | Oct 22 2022 6:15 utc | 167
The Financial Times reports:
Top Republicans clash over future of Ukraine aid
Mitch McConnell calls for more help for Kyiv after Kevin McCarthy says he will limit aid if GOP takes Congress

The top Republican in the US Senate called for the Biden administration to step up assistance for Ukraine, breaking with his counterpart in the House of Representatives who warned earlier this week that aid for Kyiv would be reined in should the GOP take control of the lower chamber.
“The Biden administration and our allies need to do more to supply the tools Ukraine needs to thwart Russian aggression,” Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said on Friday.
McConnell’s comments came several days after House minority leader Kevin McCarthy said he anticipates difficulty in passing additional aid for Ukraine if his party wins the House in November’s midterm elections — a result predicted by current polling.
By contrast, McConnell pledged that a Republican-controlled Senate would make additional aid to Ukraine a focus.
“A Republican majority in the Senate will focus its oversight on ensuring timely delivery of needed weapons and greater allied assistance to Ukraine,” he said.
Polls suggest the Senate is going to be finely balanced after the midterm elections. It could even maintain its 50-50 split, with the Democratic vice-president Kamala Harris casting the decisive vote.

https://www.ft.com/content/62a637b2-04fd-4f16-a390-3c2a4ea7b34f
So for now it appears that the Republican leadership of the two chambers of Congress disagree about funding Ukraine.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 22 2022 7:46 utc | 171

The anticipated “front” seems to be moving towards an attempt by the US regime to include Belarus (as they are not having the success necessary for Biden to “win” to a standing ovation).
There are Polish and Lithuanians wearing Belarussian and Russian markings, having “exercises” along the frontier. (Red arm bands).
There are the ongoing NATO exercises or movements around the Baltic.
Belarussian “dissenters” (Mercenaries) have been seen in training.
It is said (someone elses provisional estimation) that the idea is to infiltrate, sieze Belarussian Gov. Infrastructure. Provoke a military coup etc. As usual.
There are also signs that Ukrainian troops have been taken discretely FROM the Kherson area towards Kupyiansk. This from 50 “intercepted” telephone conversations. (Side note; Phones are forbidden to Russian troops, why are they not also forbidden to Ukrainians and mercenaries, so a bit suspicious).
**
A rather anti-Putin, MSM/TV follower I Know, now says that the Russians will attack FROM Belarus – so this is the line being put out in the French media. (Projection by Zelensky?).
Either this is all rubbish to try to provoke the Russian forces to increase their presence near Kiev and Kharkiv (But on Ukie soil), or it is THE plan.
Open question.
****
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About the troll subject above. About twenty years or more ago, I had a long conversation with a person I presume was an ultra-orthodox or Haredi, Friendly I may add, as that was during a more polite period.
He tried desperately to convince me that the “J’s” (His word) were behind just about every empire or Kingdom known. In the Middle East and even beyond. (Even before the Egyptians). Using as references, books that I had never heard of and I suspect he wrote himself.
However, If I took his idea at face value, the only logical conclusion to reach was that every time the “J’s” (his word), gained power – the empire immediately collapsed.
He did not appreciate that conclusion when I put it to him.

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 22 2022 7:48 utc | 172

wagelaborer | Oct 22 2022 1:38 utc | 142
« « It is ludicrous to blame B for what commenters post. Everyone must take responsibility for themselves.
Louis Proyect is an idiot, to boot. » »
When B spends a lot of time refuting MSM ynak articles/and or ynak Gvmt statements – he opens the way to (simpler) refutation becoming the prime goal of precisely those elements of MSM/Gvmt, i.e. in this case ‘trolls’, which are concerned to maintain control and eliminate dissenting opinion
If there is not a larger project than he said he said then that will be the extent of the debate and you can say that reasonable arguments and resistance has by definition no chance
For the US ruling class this is not a ‘debate’ – and to think one may have any impact by pretending to the conduct is to merely to show up on blacklists for poor reason, or rather to waste your time in shouting against those who can not hear you
On the other hand, if you have a plan….well that’s a diffrent matter

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 7:53 utc | 173

Ed Nelson | Oct 22 2022 0:31 utc | 130
Thanks for you post taking on the issue of how to deal with trolls in reasonable language

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 7:53 utc | 174

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 22 2022 7:48 utc | 183

However, If I took his idea at face value, the only logical conclusion to reach was that every time the “J’s” (his word), gained power – the empire immediately collapsed.

Out of curiosity: Did he include the Inca and Mauryan empire in that list, perhaps?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 7:58 utc | 175

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 22 2022 6:45 utc | 172

What happens, if/when the gas tanker owners get a veiled ‘prediction’ that some of them might get sunk in the high seas

If these predictions become common the insurance costs alone might make them think twice about sailing to Europe …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 8:02 utc | 176

Down South | Oct 22 2022 6:17 utc | 169
As for ‘centralised purchasing’ of gas, this an EU bureaucrat knee jerk attempt to screw something for themselves out of the disaster they have created
The example of the centralised purchasing of the Pfizer drugs can be taken as an example of the myriad ways in which this will fail while nonetheless costing considerably above market with close to zero accountability and efficiency
The refusal to consider long term contracts does not indicate that the EU is realistic/serious enough to be considered as a customer
The RF has for many years patiently worked in Iran and the RoME to bring about a kind of gas OPEC – it would be hard not to succeed in this god given opportunity handed them by the EU
« Qatar’s energy minister Saad al-Kaabi said last week that he cannot envisage a future where “zero Russian gas” flows to Europe. He noted acerbically, “ If that’s the case, then I think the problem is going to be huge and for a very long time. You just don’t have enough volume to bring (in) to replace that (Russian) gas for the long term, unless you’re saying ‘I’m going to be building huge nuclear (plants), I’m going to allow coal, I’m going to burn fuel oils.’” «
https://www.indianpunchline.com/russias-homage-to-nord-stream-pipelines/

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 8:09 utc | 177

Handwringing overly – humanist types or those with “a dog in the fight “ , calling any comment against Israel or Jews anti-Semitic , is getting very tiresome. IF the claim is logical and/or based on evidence, it is not anti-Semitic, it is just a claim that can be believed or tested depending on the reader’s wont.
I don’t get scared if I criticise malicious American Adventurism or Muslim cruelty and jihadism , so I will be damned if I will hold my tongue and fret if I call out Jewish power and Exceptionalism.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 22 2022 8:10 utc | 178

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 6:13 utc | 166

… That is, the situation for the Ukrainian defense forces, taking into account the fact that the Russians have a considerable number of troops there, according to some estimates, it is believed that there are up to 30 thousand of them, plus they have more or less stable logistics. That is, the situation for the Ukrainian defense forces there is not easy,” Seleznyov said.

So we can after all this time conclude that the HiMARS strikes on the Antonivskyi bridge were a failure.
So much for that Wunderwaffen …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 8:12 utc | 179

Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 6:39 utc | 170
You appear to think ‘trolls’ are a small distinct local problem which may be addressed by superior culture and education and liberal disdain
In which case you ignore the extent to which you, as all westies, are infected by the same contamination, that the whole of your culture politics and society is and has been subjected to trolls and their propaganda for a very long time now
One of the central confusions of capitalism is that it allows an apparent choice to certain middle professional class lackeys who profit (to some extent) from the structures of exploitation, and allows them to fantasise that they are ‘better off’ and not subject

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 8:18 utc | 180

Arch Bungle | Oct 22 2022 7:58 utc | 186
“Out of curiosity: Did he include the Inca and Mauryan empire in that list, perhaps?”
No, he was interested in the Middle East/Eurasian and anything connected to the east/North of Bagdad. (plus Egypt and some North African States > Ethiopia). Although he did include Empires and Kingdoms stretching into what are now the “Stans”. (related to trade routes. Silk). But not as far as central India, if I remember correctly (Mauryan).
He did follow a coherent line of “influencers”, or so it seemed so at the time, IF you took his hypothesis at face value.
Behind that, I think he was trying to “prove” something about the Khazars being part of an ancient “race”, without explicitly mentioning them.
It wasn’t always clear exactly HOW the connections were made (At least not to me, but I might pay more attention today. After a few years of training on MoA to look carefully at the “insides” of any information, my perspectives have changed)

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 22 2022 8:41 utc | 181

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 8:09 utc | 188
In essence, if there is a sellers cartel why not then also a buyers cartel? The EU countries want to have a more diverse supply and not be dependent on single points of failure because they can be blackmailed. It is only rational from an economic perspective, right?
This is of course aside their extreme russophobia which adds fuel to the fire and makes it that much more difficult to come to mutually beneficial agreements. They want exactly that, to take away the benefit for Russia while maximizing their own benefit. This is, on the other hand, not a market (economically) driven motivation so it will lead to suboptimal solutions.
There will be some steady point reached at some time but it will probably be a compromise. There are also no bodies to arbiter disputes between parties anymore. The West will not talk to Russia and Russia has no reason to trust what the West agrees to even if they talk.
In these situations might makes right. But at the end, power mechanisms to work together will evolve but we are far away from that.
This of course assumes that neither side wins the ideological war (progressives vs collectivists) outright in the meantime.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 22 2022 9:03 utc | 182

… in the case of the Abrams, they also use the gas turbine motors. This would require fuel trucks with both gas and diesel.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 21 2022 22:02 utc | 91

Nah, gas just refers to the fact that it’s gas turbine engine rather than one of the other internal combustion engine variants.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_AGT1500
“The engine can use a variety of fuels, including jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and marine diesel.[2]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine
“… The force is typically applied to pistons (piston engine), turbine blades (gas turbine), a rotor (Wankel engine), or a nozzle (jet engine). …”
Apologies if already answered, still catching up.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 22 2022 9:08 utc | 183

@183
There are Polish and Lithuanians wearing Belarussian and Russian markings, having “exercises” along the frontier. (Red arm bands).
There are the ongoing NATO exercises or movements around the Baltic.

Just like 80 years ago, dressed up nazi’s in polish uniforms attack german defence forces to start WO2. In this case these polish forces can attack lithuanian forces to trigger article 5 to start WO3.

Posted by: gary | Oct 22 2022 9:10 utc | 184

@ 149.
The article doesn’t seem to fully agree with your notion that Russia has no standing army. Rather it says that Russia has a smaller professional army, bolstered by conscription. Compared to the Soviet Army.
Besides that what’s the alternative reprising the ridiculously bloated Soviet Army and have another sea of rustling tanks?
Ask people in Best Korea how well that inordanite MIC moloch works in practice these days.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 22 2022 9:10 utc | 185

@Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 8:18 utc | 191

You appear to think ‘trolls’ are a small distinct local problem which may be addressed by superior culture and education and liberal disdain

What you say is entirely your own idea and you have understood nothing nothing about what I said about the subject.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 9:15 utc | 186

So much for the fable of neo-Nazi’s taking over Ukraine in a right-wing coup. The neo-Nazis just provided a smoke screen for the Jew takeover.
Can you really believe that neo-Nazi’s took over Ukraine,… I can’t.
Posted by: uncensored | Oct 21 2022 17:34 utc | 19
Words spoken as the bleeding obvious
It is almost the same scenario as WWII

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Oct 22 2022 9:19 utc | 187

Another two waves of strategic bombing runs on ukro infrastructure. According to Ukroenergy CEO, results are on par or exceed those of the ones on October 10th.
The methods of SMO gradual grinding combined with this are proving quite effective. There is no reason for any hurry or rush.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 22 2022 9:33 utc | 188

I reckon a lot of the anti-semite accounts here are BND sock-puppets. What was it, like, two weeks ago it came out that German intelligence runs anti-semitic social media activity to “gather intelligence” (however the hell that works)?

Posted by: line islands | Oct 22 2022 9:39 utc | 189

The West will not talk to Russia and Russia has no reason to trust what the West agrees to even if they talk.
Posted by: alek_a | Oct 22 2022 9:03 utc | 193
The Russian gas hub in Turkey for EU sales disagrees with that idea. Project has already started, it was on the news today.

Posted by: rk | Oct 22 2022 9:54 utc | 190

This is the first time an open thread has been so chock-a-block with Jew haters that it’s unreadable. You can’t skip over them anymore because there are too many. If Nazifying opposition spaces is a BND goal, I suspect it’s succeeding here. Peace.

Posted by: line islands | Oct 22 2022 9:58 utc | 191

🇷🇺🇺🇦 The news about the transfer of Ukrainian trains to thermal traction cannot but cause good feelings. Unlike the lack of light and heat in the houses, this is a much more important event. There are very few diesel locomotives in Ukraine, and it is problematic to transfer them to new lines. And this means very serious transport problems for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/intelslava/39864

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:11 utc | 192

If proper energy and water supplies are not provided to people in Ukraine, as well as adequate central heating, Europe will face a MIGRATORY TSUNAMI this winter, we’re on the brink of a humanitarian CATASTROPHE not seen since WW2 – Ukrainian PM Denis Shmygal.

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/7331

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:13 utc | 193

alek_a | Oct 22 2022 9:03 utc | 193
« In essence, if there is a sellers cartel why not then also a buyers cartel? The EU countries want to have a more diverse supply and not be dependent on single points of failure because they can be blackmailed. It is only rational from an economic perspective, right? »
The old phrase has it -supply and demand, this makes both appear to be flip sides of the same coin – but the history of cartels shows each side exist in different circumstances for different reasons
Remember the US deal with the KSA on the boat ? The Brits had just handed KSA the keys to Heaven and all they now wanted was a little plain old black tar in return- That was a buyers cartel – the world looks very different now
EUS sanctions have sought to impose a buyer’s c, called ‘sanctions’ for the holy ring to it
Which merely provoked a much stronger sellers c than expected : 9 long months later all they can come up with is same old you cartel we cartel ? but now in circumstances where the power of the seller has greatly increased by EUS stupid previous supposedly c-like actions ? – … second time round it’s going to work ?
With the Gas OPEC and the Turkey pipeline deal the sellers look to have the EU over a barrel – the EUSniks may not want to deal with RF, but they’ll have to deal with someone, somewhere, and that will be with an RF ally – Putin has arranged this so that while the EUS may bite their tongue and deal, it’s in the knowing that they’re paying a great premium to do so
As for the ideology – I think it’s clear that the multi-p have won out over the uni-, that’s a different sort of cartel, the tyranny of the majority
Or – look how the vaccine cartel functioned as the perfect example of how not to cartel –tell me that they know how to rip themselves off and I’ll believe you, tell me they know how to deal with RoW…..

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 10:24 utc | 194

Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 9:15 utc | 197
What I said is ‘my own idea’ ? –to allow me my own thoughts is an achievement
I understand that you think you can define trolls according to an obselete middlebrow knowledge of a culture/tradition sliver, and which you feel gives you dispensation, when it has nothing to do with the current all enveloping word and context, one which defines every structure of your life
And which attempt at dispensation blinds you to your PMC prejudices and propaganda, and to your status as valet to the ruling class
For example – something else you know is that the RF is not prone/victim to the same allinone sauce that your country/EU is – if you can take the trouble to inform yourself and then to categorise the differences you will… excuse me might… understand what you can/must do about your dilemma

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 22 2022 10:25 utc | 195

⚡𝗘𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗨𝗦 𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘁 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗱𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝗳𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗶𝗻 𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗶𝗳 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗳𝗹𝗶𝗰𝘁 ‘𝗲𝘀𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀’ – 𝗖𝗕𝗦 𝗻𝗲𝘄𝘀
America’s 𝟭𝟬𝟭𝘀𝘁 𝗔𝗶𝗿𝗯𝗼𝗿𝗻𝗲 𝗗𝗶𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻, deployed close to the Ukrainian border, would step in if NATO were attacked, its commanders said.
The US Army 101st Airborne Division would not hesitate to enter Ukraine should a conflict break out between Russia and NATO, CBS News reported on Friday citing the unit’s military commanders. The elite division is currently conducting war games in Romania, close to the NATO country’s border with Ukraine.
“We’re ready to defend every inch of NATO soil”, Deputy Commander Brigadier General John Lubas told the news network.
In total, about 4,700 American soldiers from the 101st Airborne unit have been sent to Europe.
The 101st Airborne Division, also known as the “Screaming Eagles,” has a distinguished military history. It took part in the airborne operations during the D-Day landings in Normandy in 1944 and in the Battle of the Bulge.The unit was also involved in the Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15950

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:30 utc | 196

🇺🇦🇩🇪❗Kiev is already openly blackmailing Germany
Germany is obliged to immediately supply Ukraine with new ammunition for IRIS-T SLM air defense systems, – Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal in an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
Otherwise, Shmyhal says, a “migration tsunami” will cover Europe due to Russian attacks on infrastructure, when Ukraine will be left without electricity, heat and water.

https://t.me/intelslava/39866

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:31 utc | 197

Maybe this new Russian general operating in Ukraine is finally somebody smart enough.
It seems that he realizes that by creating 5-10 mil refugees, that would all go to Germany, Russia can win this war without too much deaths.
Germany should provide shelter, food and electricity to these people.

Posted by: marko | Oct 22 2022 10:32 utc | 198

⚡️Dmitry Medvedev published five topical remarks on the international situation in Telegram.
Briefly, they say that
1. Any country prioritizes the most important priorities – the protection of its citizens and state independence. Moreover, this protection is possible not only on its own territory, but also on others, if there are grounds for this.
2. The results of the Second World War are acceptable to us exactly as long as they do not contradict the fundamental interests of Russia as a successor state, and in many respects the historical and moral heir of the Russian Empire and the USSR.
3. The peaceful coexistence of different states at the cost of endless concessions to their historical territories and the abandonment of their citizens is not worth a penny. If there is a choice between this “coexistence” and the protection of fundamental national interests, as well as the lives of our citizens, we must choose the latter.
4. The status of the permanent members of the Security Council – the founders of the UN should not be subject to revision, including their veto power. The number of permanent members of the UN Security Council can be expanded, but their powers must be inviolable. Otherwise, the UN will face a systemic crisis and, as a result, the organization will repeat the fate of the late League of Nations.
5. The crappy Western idea of ​​”order based on rules” is dictated by the obsessive desire of the Anglo-Saxons to psychically deviate to bring an ideological base under their attempts to dominate the world. The choice of the rest of the world is not to submit to this idea, but to go its own way.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15951

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:37 utc | 199

🇺🇦 Ukranian telegram channel:
Against kamikaze UAVs, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use their fighters, which fly out and catch up with the “mopeds”.
The only risk is that in this way the Russians catch Ukrainian planes. The tactics are simple. They send a drone – a kamikaze, for example, in the Poltava region (there is a military airfield there). At this moment, the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine take off to shoot down the “shahid”, and at this moment aviation and air defense are also working from the Russian side, which detects the Ukrainian aircraft and fires several “surprises” at it. As a result, more than 3 aircraft were lost in the Poltava region in a few days.
Aviation is suitable only for work in the depths of the country, and then there is a risk that in western Ukraine, a surprise may arrive from Belarus. But with X-type missiles or calibers, such a feint does not work.
The Russians also use a mixed launch system, when they release kamikaze UAVs in advance, and after a while missiles of different types.
If the Office of the President does not report damage from a missile attack, this does not mean that it does not exist. This morning a lot of Missiles hits the target, just Bankovaya forbade writing about it. In many cities, the power went out and the residual electric transport stopped.

https://t.me/intelslava/39867

Posted by: Down South | Oct 22 2022 10:39 utc | 200