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October 20, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-177
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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For the Kakhovka Dam, it is most important to monitor the water head differential between the upstream (‘reservoir side’) of the dam and the downstream (‘outflow side’) of the dam. Posted by: Mummer | Oct 20 2022 20:44 utc | 101 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 20 2022 20:25 utc | 97 Posted by: Jax | Oct 20 2022 20:47 utc | 102 Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Oct 20 2022 20:15 utc | 96 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 20 2022 20:49 utc | 103 No matter what happens, Russia is going to be seen as the guilty one. The population in EU and USA deeply trust MSM. Posted by: marko | Oct 20 2022 20:55 utc | 104 Posted by: marko | Oct 20 2022 20:55 utc | 104 Posted by: Macpott | Oct 20 2022 21:00 utc | 105 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 20 2022 20:49 utc | 103 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 20 2022 21:02 utc | 106 The talk about Ukrainian nuke false flag seems to persist. My guess if Ukraine detonates their dirty bomb in Nikolaev, Kiev will be razed to the ground, as will Lvov, to what extent its possible. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 20 2022 21:06 utc | 107 so Russian TV shows are saying there won’t be any good news for 2 months and Russia will lose territory during that time. Posted by: Comandante | Oct 20 2022 21:08 utc | 108 so Russian TV shows are saying there won’t be any good news for 2 months and Russia will lose territory during that time. Posted by: marko | Oct 20 2022 21:14 utc | 109 Cross posting sort of. Posted by: watcher | Oct 20 2022 21:14 utc | 110 Yesterday, on a Russian TV show, the panel discussed the nuclear false flag scenario as several here and elsewhere have been discussing for some time. Posted by: Jax | Oct 20 2022 21:21 utc | 111 The population in EU and USA deeply trust MSM. Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 20 2022 21:30 utc | 112 But you’re forgetting what’s happening! Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 20 2022 21:30 utc | 113 Obama in his third term is pushing for some kind of “battlefield victory” that he can trumpet ahead of the midterms. Posted by: AusYank | Oct 20 2022 21:35 utc | 114
In all the LeCarre novels, MI-6 operatives were sucking up to the Americans, desperate to be kept in the loop. It is also doubtful that the US would share anything other than disinformation with a cabinet minister who previously fell for a Russian prank call. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 20 2022 21:35 utc | 115 @71 Posted by: Sam | Oct 20 2022 22:04 utc | 116 MILITARY SITUATION IN KHERSON ON OCTOBER 20: UKRAINIAN OFFENSIVE KEEPS BLOODY STALLING Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 20 2022 22:20 utc | 117 Do people not get that once Russia withdraws from Kherson City, their operations will be confined to the east of the Dnieper river? Posted by: GoFast | Oct 20 2022 22:21 utc | 118 US demrats apparently passed $50 billion war funding package for Ukraine. They assume it will be enough to cover Ukraine’s 2023 costs. They probably did so because they know they will lose. Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 20 2022 22:30 utc | 119 US demrats apparently passed $50 billion war funding package for Ukraine. They assume it will be enough to cover Ukraine’s 2023 costs. They probably did so because they know they will lose. Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 20 2022 22:30 utc | 120 To all of you who scoff at the RF’s foresight and planning, note that the 126th Coastal Defense Brigade is already long in place in Kherson. Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 20 2022 22:38 utc | 121 Nato himars operators have bombed purely civilian convoy evacuating from Kherson. Not only that, the shells were filled with tungsten balls. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 20 2022 22:57 utc | 122 A Ukrainian Center in NYC has displayed a large poster, “Rissian War Crimes,” just across from the Metropolitan Museum. — The poster is actually a reminder of Julian Assange’s imprisonment for his reporting on the massive war crimes committed by the US/NATO during the Wars for Oil and Israel in the Middle East.
Posted by: Cerena | Oct 20 2022 23:01 utc | 123 Not against the Ukrainian civilian population. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 20 2022 23:03 utc | 124 If RU losses Kherson City, then it constrained the entire scope of the SMO to east of the Dnieper, unless they re-invade from Belarus. Good luck with that. Posted by: GoFast | Oct 20 2022 23:04 utc | 125 🇺🇸🇬🇧✈️Tomorrow morning, Central European Time time, a pair of B-52N bomb carriers are expected to arrive from the United States in the areas of the NATO Steadfast Noon 2022 exercise. Posted by: Jax | Oct 20 2022 23:05 utc | 126 To all those that keep harping on the “loss of Russian credibility” should this or that tactical event happen: first, read some history to understand strategy and how Russia overcame far greater menaces, second, does NATO have the tiniest bit of credibility left on the world stage? Can you even imagine Dutch or Belgian or Italian etc troops going to war, a real war that is? Have you even seen them, on parade eg? Western European soldiers have as much spine as a mollusc and as much hemoglobin as a veggie burger. But Russia keeps it credibility, even if it has to pay for that in blood. Posted by: Anthony | Oct 20 2022 23:07 utc | 127 Didn’t no Zeli is doing two videos per day.. Supper Blogger. Latest vid he says Russia zipped their own pipes and now Russia has mined the damn and wants it to go belly up. They would even lose the fresh water way to crimea. They are doing this only, because they know they will loose Crimea anyway. Wow. Who takes this criminal clown still serious. Posted by: C | Oct 20 2022 23:10 utc | 128 The Poles don’t make sense – or are they planning to pivot? Posted by: Technophobe | Oct 20 2022 23:17 utc | 129 Israel Has Refused to Supply Arms to Ukraine Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 20 2022 23:18 utc | 130 I posted a report earlier about the revving up of the Outlaw US Empire’s Kidnapping Machine aimed at capturing Russian citizens. Maria Zakharova spoke about that today:
This is very serious shit being engaged in by the Empire. These are not merely provocations but an escalation in the Hybrid War. Regardless if you like Putin or support the SMO, if you’re Russian and living outside Russia you risk being snagged. Now you know why Biden’s crew told all its nationals to leave Russia. re unimperator | Oct 20 2022 21:06 utc | 107 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 20 2022 23:36 utc | 132 karlof1 @131 Posted by: polarbear4 | Oct 20 2022 23:43 utc | 133 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 20 2022 23:36 utc | 132 Posted by: watcher | Oct 20 2022 23:44 utc | 134 Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 20 2022 23:36 utc | 132 Posted by: Jax | Oct 20 2022 23:50 utc | 135 Same shit, different day from the over intellectual place holders, here. Posted by: Your Mom | Oct 21 2022 0:02 utc | 136 V86 | Oct 20 2022 17:03 utc | 52 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 0:26 utc | 137 FieryButMostPeaceful | Oct 20 2022 20:15 utc | 96 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 0:33 utc | 138 Johnycomelately | Oct 20 2022 20:38 utc | 100 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 0:36 utc | 139 @ Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 0:26 utc | 137 Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 21 2022 0:36 utc | 140 An interesting read. By a Russian diplomat. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 21 2022 0:39 utc | 141 “……right about no warning in relation to the Crimean bridge though.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 1:03 utc | 142 The ex diplomat’s post could be written by any number of ex US diplomats too. Once upon a time I was offered a job in the US foreign service and refused it because I couldn’t be a part of US foreign policy. Clearly many people think differently than I do, just like many people in Russia’s foreign service think differently than the author. I said no just before the 03 invasion of Iraq. Posted by: Lex | Oct 21 2022 2:32 utc | 143 Though the site is pretty quiet, the Trolls are in it pretty heavy. Just got into the 100’s here and whatcha know, the trolls are cross-pollenating each other. They are soon to face a shit, sad, sorry end to all those fools who support the Ukies. Looks like the only hope for the Cabal now is pulling off a false-flag attack in the U$$A, blaming it on Russia and then the Senile One declares Martial Law. He’s stuck right now and unless the Democrats pull off an election theft which would make the one in which ballot chicanery obviated a Trump victory; the goose is cooked. Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 21 2022 2:43 utc | 144 Re: false flag nuke Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 21 2022 2:44 utc | 145 @69, Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Oct 21 2022 2:55 utc | 146 What World Leaders Did Today: Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 2:56 utc | 147 Some items: Posted by: WJ | Oct 21 2022 2:58 utc | 148 Old Brown Fool | Oct 21 2022 2:55 utc | 147 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 3:01 utc | 149 Posted by: Comandante | Oct 20 2022 21:08 utc | 108
They’ll be at the gates of Moscow by Christmass, right? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 3:04 utc | 150 Mark Hamill, who played Luke Skywalker, boasts that as a celebrity “ambassador” for Kiev’s drone-funding scheme, he has made people fund 500 drones to kill the rebels in Donbass. Posted by: Tenet | Oct 21 2022 3:10 utc | 151 Lithuania all in darkness. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 3:16 utc | 152 @ Republic of Scotland @ 71 Well remember Luke Skywalker was Darth Vaders son. In real life he just chose the dark side. Also remember a few days ago Zelensky wore a “join the darkside” star wars t shirt where the storm troopers were Ukranian soldiers. Posted by: Comandante | Oct 21 2022 3:19 utc | 154 Kherson is bait… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 21 2022 3:26 utc | 155 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 21 2022 2:44 utc | 146 Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 21 2022 3:28 utc | 156 True words by Marko: Posted by: Tenet | Oct 21 2022 3:35 utc | 157 Mark | Oct 21 2022 3:16 utc | 154 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 3:48 utc | 158 “September 29, #BlackSea, the day of the incident between the two Russian Su-27s and RAF Rivet Joint RRR7215.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 3:55 utc | 159 Here’s one for the internet sleuths, engineers and assorted professionals. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 4:02 utc | 160 Where you are weak, appear strong. Where you are strong, appear weak. – Sun Tzu Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Oct 21 2022 4:05 utc | 161 Hans von der Burchard Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 4:16 utc | 162 How would things be different if I was in the White People House? Posted by: Don T | Oct 21 2022 4:27 utc | 163 Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Oct 21 2022 4:05 utc | 162 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 4:28 utc | 164 @158 tenet Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 21 2022 4:28 utc | 165 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 21 2022 3:26 utc | 156
Bingo. The Russians fight smart. Not dumb. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 4:30 utc | 166 Call me an idiot, but last night a convoy of six black.police cars overtook me on the M5 st more than 120 m.p.h, which is I would have thought more like V.I.P. police behaviour than justice system behaviour. Posted by: Giyane | Oct 21 2022 4:31 utc | 167 The death toll as a result of the strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on a civilian crossing in the Russian city of Kherson has increased to 7 people including children. The number of wounded – 9 people Posted by: rk | Oct 21 2022 4:33 utc | 168
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26148 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:40 utc | 169
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26160
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26166 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:43 utc | 170 The “evacuation” of tens of thousands “Russian citizens” within “Russia” has received no mention in Russian news sources: RT, Tass nor Sputnik. Oh, it’s just a Russian internal matter, I suppose. Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 21 2022 4:45 utc | 171
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15657 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:46 utc | 172
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15668 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:48 utc | 173
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15677 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:50 utc | 174
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15679 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:52 utc | 175
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15685 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:54 utc | 176 “Why did we get a spike in #radiation at midnight on #Bornholm Island at the exact time the the #NordStream pipeline exploded?? 9/26/22 00:00 Graph below.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 4:55 utc | 177 How long can ‘israel’ continue it’s balancing act between the US and Russia?
Here that, folks? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 5:01 utc | 178 @ Down South | Oct 21 2022 4:46 utc | 173 who quoted Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21 2022 5:15 utc | 179 Here we go again …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 21 2022 5:27 utc | 180 Lol…..Thought controllers got nowhere safe to herd us… Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 5:30 utc | 181 Massive Food processing plant on fire – Poland Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2022 5:42 utc | 182
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26173 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 5:48 utc | 183 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 5:48 utc | 184
Now we understand the purpose of the Geran/Shahid drone circus: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 5:56 utc | 184 It is also reported that – overnight, more than 60 trucks left on ferry crossings from the right to the left bank, which were allegedly filled with dozens of tons of household appliances stolen in Kherson. . .here Posted by: Organic | Oct 21 2022 5:59 utc | 185 And household appliances were stolen for their chips. Better writing, please. Posted by: rk | Oct 21 2022 6:04 utc | 186 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 5:56 utc | 185 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 6:32 utc | 187 INTERCEPT: SAUDIS SOUGHT OIL PRODUCTION CUT SO DEEP IT SURPRISED EVEN RUSSIA Posted by: Arrnon | Oct 21 2022 6:35 utc | 188 The death toll after a missile strike by the Armed Forces of Ukriane on a crossing in Kherson has risen to 4. Posted by: rk | Oct 21 2022 6:42 utc | 189 Posted by: rk | Oct 21 2022 6:42 utc | 190
So incompetent they can’t even commit war crimes properly. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 6:50 utc | 190
https://t.me/azmilitary11/26182 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 6:50 utc | 191 🇷🇺🇺🇦 At 8 am, Russian missile troops attacked the territory of the Kommunar plant in Kharkov.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 6:52 utc | 192 Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 6:50 utc | 191 Posted by: rk | Oct 21 2022 6:53 utc | 193 China is set to be one of the largest (if not the largest) LNG Ship Builders in the world:
China State Shipbuilding lands big LNG tanker order from Qatar Energy Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 21 2022 6:58 utc | 194 Reply to: Don Bacon | Oct 21 2022 4:45 utc | 172 Posted by: Richard Head | Oct 21 2022 6:59 utc | 195 @45 Don Bacon quotes this from the BBC: “Under its definition of war crimes the UN includes: ‘The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the occupying power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory’ ” Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 21 2022 6:59 utc | 196 @97 LightYearsFromHome I would imagine that the answer is this: the idea that the Ukrainians could float naval mines down the river to attack the dam was considered to be illogical and impractical, and so was rejected by the Russians. Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 21 2022 7:10 utc | 197
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15718 Posted by: Down South | Oct 21 2022 7:15 utc | 198 If you people think that Russia is re-organizing its economy for war with Ukraine you are more niave than I thought Posted by: Pax | Oct 21 2022 7:16 utc | 199 “So in real life he serves the Empire. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 21 2022 7:17 utc | 200 |
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