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October 16, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-176

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Ed Nelson
I have not proposed nukes at all, what are you talking about?
Russia could have responded but they keep bluffing over and over again, that is why Ukraine keep bombing the new russian states and even Russia itself.
Do not be butthurt because I tell you truth. If you cant handle it, gtfo.
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 18:48 utc | 94
Yes, I know you didn’t mention nukes, but you insist on more aggression from the MoD that they are ready to present AT THIS MOMENT. Tactical Nukes would be the pentacle of aggression against Ukraine. Russia has a plan; do you think they should stop everything and fight the war as you feel that they should? Something big is about to happen, Kiev knows it, Nato knows it, and the Biden Administration knows it. Why don’t you know it?

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 16 2022 19:17 utc | 101

Just a matter of time before Ukraine succeed on this threat considering there seems to be no defense with the Russians.
Kiev puts large bounty on top Russian military blogger

Ukraine’s military intelligence service (GUR) announced on Sunday a $100,000 bounty for the capture of prominent Russian military blogger Igor Strelkov, who had a brief stint as defense minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) back in 2014.

https://swentr.site/russia/564787-ukraine-strelkov-bounty-capture/

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 19:25 utc | 102

It bears repeating – not necessarily for informed regulars, but rather curious propaganda refugees – that zato never intended to participate in an actual ground war.
Rather, the operative model was identical to all prior color revolutions, using media, sanctions, terrorism, etc in order to collapse central Russian authority and expose that remnant pieces to plunder.
In that regard, once vpp withstood the initial onslaught, this war was over before it really got started. Now it is really just a mop up operation, with the odd threat of a possible nuclear confrontation floating around in the background.
However, the problem with that thesis is that it assumes the military part of zato is running the show, instead of truly recognizing the Z leadership. Hint: not zelensky.
And with that clarification, any guesses as to the iconic image yet to be created that will capture this period in time like the famous 1975 saigan helicopter evacuation?
How about gulf streams crowding the overflow parking in tel Aviv as all the dual citizens get out of dodge?

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 16 2022 19:29 utc | 103

EU gas futures were a big topic around here in August/September with lots of salivation at the idea of Germans freezing to death in their apartments, so let’s check in and see how that’s going:
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 19:30 utc | 104

@anon2020 | Oct 16 2022 19:12 utc | 96
If it goes forward it has to be a significant blow to NATO, in fact the beginning of the end.
As for videos it is voluntary. I tend to listen to the longer ones early in the morning.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2022 19:34 utc | 105

@Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 19:30 utc | 103
The options market is the tail that wags the dog, made possible by mispriced risk in sovereign bonds.
Rising interest rates will discipline the markets.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2022 19:39 utc | 106

@B9k9 | Oct 16 2022 19:29 utc | 102

And with that clarification, any guesses as to the iconic image yet to be created that will capture this period in time like the famous 1975 saigan helicopter evacuation?

Maybe this one
Hello Darkness My Old Friend
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1A4xdLDsivY

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2022 19:41 utc | 107

Chaka Kagan @16
exactly. i am puzzled as to why so much “expert” analysis barely notices the vast resources that the west believes is their birthright.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Oct 16 2022 19:41 utc | 108

@Zanon 54
Russia Is smart enough to respond on its own schedule and I’m its own way, rather than being stampeded into action by pinpricks.There are no reasons to imagine that demilitarization and denazification of the border regions is not the only way to protect the people of Russia. The only variable is the depth of border region required, as this depends on the range of weapons held and degree of hostility shown by its neighbors.

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 16 2022 19:42 utc | 109

@Down South 92
The question is, are there any real plans to use any of these forces ?
The initiative is still with Ukraine. They decide when and where to attack and Russia reacts.
I get that it takes time to reconstitute and organize your forces. But the Burden is on the Russian Army to show that there is a plan and to show that it has the will and determination to win.
All the talk of missiles and drone strikes etc. seems to have no impact on the ability of Ukraine to move forces wherever it wishes.
So one hopes and expects the Russian Army to suddenly take charge, but still there is little evidence

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Oct 16 2022 19:45 utc | 110

@75: there is a sea of difference between real discussion and trollery. Troll comments are intrinsically dishonest: they insinuate, they misrepresent, they use age-old propaganda techniques and slither out of any earnest conversation. If you can’t feel it, you are either intellectually immature or a troll yourself. Look at the level at which non-troll-contentious subjects are approached here and you must sense the difference.
@95: if Russia shoots a 100 missiles it’s not enough for you, nor a thousand, nor would be a million. You would always keep pushing your invariant narrative. Until you see the mushroom cloud from your kitchen window – maybe then you will be satisfied with how things escalated.

Posted by: anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 111

Hermit
Russia is obviously not “smart” in any sense – stop fooling yourself. Russia have made no offensive march for almost 4 months or so, not because they are “smart” but because of incompetence and that they are simply unable, instead Ukraine continue to push on with their offensive. Today they attacked Donetsk, past days they have attacked multiple targets inside Russia proper. Russia did nothing in response (like past 8 months of the war).

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 19:53 utc | 112

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Posted by: Mick McLennan | Oct 16 2022 19:54 utc | 113

@ anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 110
bacon fat is being disingenuous….

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2022 19:54 utc | 114

Question: are non ‘muricans appreciating some of the more ‘inside baseball’ references?
Speaking of getting out of dodge (city, not car), I’m hearing Germans with the means to leave are heading to turkey to ‘weather the storm’.
Initially, winter of course, but then also to avoid the messier bits of de-industrilizatoon, social disruption, you know, that whole Civil War thingy the West tried to foist on Russia.
So bear with me: if turkey-russia form a closer working relationship, it will necessarily put Germans and Russians in closer contact.
Question: does turkey become the legal conduit for German industry, capital & engineering to operate using Russian energy inputs? In other words, recreate the entire prior relationship in turkey?
Aren’t unintended consequences fun? The blowback across all sectors is ‘gonna be biblical’.

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 16 2022 19:56 utc | 115

anthony
LOL I have not mentioned nuclear weapons at all.
I know you also want Russia to use their superiority (missiles, robots etc) but are too much in denial to criticize Russia so you project that hatred onto me instead. It is so obvious. But do not hate me, hate Russia for they are failing so bad, or do you deny that too perhaps?

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 19:56 utc | 116

snake #40
Two things
It’s a British tabloid it’s for your rs not your eyes
EU now lives on wind and sunlight and nuke power and no gas is needed 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 19:58 utc | 117

I believe that word for this is… “slaughtered” ?
‼️🇷🇺 Russian forces repulsed an attack by the AFU on Svatove and Kremenna, destroying up to 90% of the advancing forces
“The AFU today made massive offensive attempts in the directions of Svatovo and Kremenna, all of which were repulsed by the allied forces. About 85-90 percent of the advancing columns were completely defeated,” a source told TASS.
The LNR security agencies specified that the Ukrainian armed forces might make another attempt to break through in this direction in the next few days.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/20959

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 16 2022 20:06 utc | 118

Everything you wanted to know about Geranium but were afraid to ask.
According to our sources, Iran did not hand over the drones themselves, but the technology to produce them. It is said that there are already three enterprises in the territory of Russia that are involved in this.
The price of one UAV is about $800. That is negligible. It is trivial to use drones to defuse the enemy`s air defenses. At such a low price, the kamikaze UAV shows very good characteristics: a mass, small, noisy silent drone (weight of about 200 kg, the weight of warhead – up to 50 kg, and speed of up to 185 km/h).
For modern air defense systems, the Geran-2 is a very difficult target to defeat. It is also virtually impossible to hit a drone with small arms. We need Pantsir missile and cannon systems, but the AFU practically does not have them.
Finally, “Geran-2” easily destroys any enemy armored vehicle, including a tank, and can destroy a separately standing medium-sized multi-story building, a warehouse, and a hangar.
Damn…so cheap…give me 5 right now. I have a @##%@&# who parks at my spot all the time…

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14786

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:07 utc | 119

The Belarusian front and Vagner in Artemivsk: on the likelihood of Minsk joining the war, Kiev’s plans for Kherson and the role of PMCs in operational and strategic planning – military expert Boris Rozhin specially for Voenkor Kotenok Z channel @voenkorKotenok:
Belarusians are digging trenches on the border
– What prompted the toughening of rhetoric on the part of the official Minsk? Is it worth waiting for the Belarusian troops to enter the zone of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?
– The rhetoric in Minsk is associated with the increasing number of provocations by NATO and Ukraine, as well as with the attempts of terrorist acts in the territory of Belarus. A terrorist war supported by NATO and Ukraine is going on against Belarus. Therefore, Lukashenko’s rhetoric is more than justified, as a measure to strengthen security.
For the time being, the Belarusian troops are not mounting a strike force to invade Ukraine and are engaged in defensive measures on the border.
Why the Ukrainian Armed Forces are clinging to Artemivsk
– How significant is the liberation of Artemivsk (Bakhmut) and how will it affect the situation on the front?
– The liberation of Artemivsk will break the strategic defensive line (axis) Sloviansk-Kramatorsk-Artemivsk-Dzerzhinsk and deprive the AFU of an important road junction.
The “flower of Popasna” story could repeat itself when the loss of a major logistics hub caused a crisis for the AFU in many areas at once. That is why the AFU has clung to Artemivsk so tightly and is constantly pouring in reserves to hold on to the city, which is of critical operational importance.
– It is known that the Wagner Group’s assault units played a primary role in the liberation of Artemivsk. How significant is the PMC factor within the entire Ukrainian front?
– The Wagner PMCs show themselves to be highly effective assault units, using their vast experience of participation in local conflicts and trained personnel. This allows them to crack the AFU defenses and maintain the tempo of the offensive, pushing the enemy back directly to Artemivsk.
PMCs do not replace the armed forces but effectively complement them. In the future, we should strive to improve coordination and reconsider the role of PMCs in operational and strategic planning.
Infrastructure strikes need a system
– Kiev reports about the elimination of the consequences of strikes on energy infrastructure. Should such statements be trusted?
– Some of the consequences of the strikes may well be eliminated in the medium or long term. And such work is going on all the time.
Even with the obvious damage to the infrastructure, the longer-term and more systemic effect would be if such strikes were carried out regularly enough, leading to some facilities being destroyed and others being brought to a state where repairs would take too long, leading to inevitable fanatical blackouts on a systemic basis even without strikes on the infrastructure of working nuclear power plants.
Russia is ready to fight in Kherson
– What caused the partial evacuation of the population of the Kherson region? How likely is an attempt by the AFU to break through to the city with the imposition of urban fighting?
– The evacuation is caused by the systematic shelling of cities in the Kherson region by the Russian Federation. Plus, in the event of an AFU breakthrough, there is a high probability of intensified fighting for the city, which could lead to large civilian casualties. Therefore, from a security point of view, it is better to evacuate part of the population in advance for the same reasons that were used to evacuate DNR residents before the start of the war.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14794

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:09 utc | 120

@ anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 110
Your comment is on trolls amusing — “If you can’t feel it” etc.
Question: How would you rate the ignorant james something comment at 110? — “bacon fat is being disingenuous” — what do you feel about that comment?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 16 2022 20:25 utc | 121

Aleksandar Vulin, head of the Serbian Interior Ministry:
✔️ The European Union as a union is a thing of the past. With the loss of political independence, EU countries became territories, not states. With the loss of political independence, EU members begin to lose their economic power, which was the main reason for the EU’s attractiveness.
✔️ With Britain’s withdrawal, the EU became a club of countries that had at least one division each at Stalingrad. This is still their policy.
✔️ The question is not whether we want to join the EU, but whether the EU wants Serbia. Judging by the crazy blackmail they are putting us through to recognize Kosovo, abolish the Republika Srpska and impose sanctions on Russia, they don’t want us. The sooner we admit that they don’t need us and that they don’t own us, the better it will be for us. The attitude towards the EU is not a question of emotions but rational decisions.
✔️ It is interesting that when you say something good about the EU or NATO, no one says that Brussels wrote you a statement. Unlike most political actors, I have an ideology. I do not know what is more natural than responding to a request to recognize Kosovo, renounce the Republic of Serbia and impose sanctions on Russia by saying “we will not, we will not, we will not, thank you for asking”. Which part seems written by Moscow to you? To me, the whole sentence looks like “Serbia and the Serbs”.
✔️ I believe that friendship with Russia is of great importance and that without it we risk the physical disappearance of Serbia.
✔️ [Will imposing sanctions against Russia help Serbia and will the Western powers change their policy towards Belgrade?] Does anyone think this will happen? And how would Russia or all those countries that are our friends who refused to recognize Kosovo and Metohija look at all this? How will our friends respect us when they see us neglecting our interests in the face of enemy power? Who will fight for us if we choose not to fight for ourselves?
✔️ Every generation of Serbian politicians expected Russia to say NO, but every generation of Serbian politicians also expected Serbia’s survival to depend on Russian YES. When there is no Russia at the table, there is no Serbia. Ekmecic taught us that all “Serbophobia is just an offshoot of Russophobia”. No one who loved Russia hated Serbia, but that is why everyone who hated Russia also hated Serbia.
✔️ Relations with Russia, China, and other free countries that accept us without blackmail or conditions are the future of Serbia. Why should we be a geographical part of any alliance? It is enough that we have common beliefs, economy, security, and not necessarily borders.
He has ba@@s. I must admit…

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14798

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:27 utc | 122

France will give Ukraine its Crotale short-range antiaircraft missile systems. This was announced by Sebastien Lecorniou, head of the French Defence Ministry.
“They will be especially useful in the fight against drones and aerial bombing,” the Associated Press agency quoted the minister as saying.
He explained that according to the plans, Ukraine would be able to deploy Crotale batteries in two months, during which time the Ukrainian military would learn how to use them.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14800

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:29 utc | 123

@Yenwoda #103
Wow – EU natural gas futures are only 6 times the price they were averaging prior to 2022, as opposed to 11 times.
So much winning…
But of course, even your idiotic statement is wrong in the short term. The entire point of futures is that the prices dynamically change. One cold snap, and I guarantee the 6x will disappear whereas the 11x may well be exceeded.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2022 20:41 utc | 124

From Slavyangrad telegram channel…https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14786
Everything you wanted to know about Geranium but were afraid to ask.
According to our sources, Iran did not hand over the drones themselves, but the technology to produce them. It is said that there are already three enterprises in the territory of Russia that are involved in this.
The price of one UAV is about $800. That is negligible. It is trivial to use drones to defuse the enemy`s air defenses. At such a low price, the kamikaze UAV shows very good characteristics: a mass, small, noisy silent drone (weight of about 200 kg, the weight of warhead – up to 50 kg, and speed of up to 185 km/h).
For modern air defense systems, the Geran-2 is a very difficult target to defeat. It is also virtually impossible to hit a drone with small arms. We need Pantsir missile and cannon systems, but the AFU practically does not have them.
Finally, “Geran-2” easily destroys any enemy armored vehicle, including a tank, and can destroy a separately standing medium-sized multi-story building, a warehouse, and a hangar.
Damn…so cheap…give me 5 right now. I have a @##%@&# who parks at my spot all the time…
I believe that word for this is… “slaughtered” ?https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14792
‼️🇷🇺 Russian forces repulsed an attack by the AFU on Svatove and Kremenna, destroying up to 90% of the advancing forces
“The AFU today made massive offensive attempts in the directions of Svatovo and Kremenna, all of which were repulsed by the allied forces. About 85-90 percent of the advancing columns were completely defeated,” a source told TASS.
The LNR security agencies specified that the Ukrainian armed forces might make another attempt to break through in this direction in the next few days.
Why the Ukrainian Armed Forces are clinging to Artemivsk https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14794
– How significant is the liberation of Artemivsk (Bakhmut) and how will it affect the situation on the front?
– The liberation of Artemivsk will break the strategic defensive line (axis) Sloviansk-Kramatorsk-Artemivsk-Dzerzhinsk and deprive the AFU of an important road junction.
The “flower of Popasna” story could repeat itself when the loss of a major logistics hub caused a crisis for the AFU in many areas at once. That is why the AFU has clung to Artemivsk so tightly and is constantly pouring in reserves to hold on to the city, which is of critical operational importance.
– It is known that the Wagner Group’s assault units played a primary role in the liberation of Artemivsk. How significant is the PMC factor within the entire Ukrainian front?
– The Wagner PMCs show themselves to be highly effective assault units, using their vast experience of participation in local conflicts and trained personnel. This allows them to crack the AFU defenses and maintain the tempo of the offensive, pushing the enemy back directly to Artemivsk.
PMCs do not replace the armed forces but effectively complement them. In the future, we should strive to improve coordination and reconsider the role of PMCs in operational and strategic planning.

Here and there…. Ukie losses mount….
Like a pebble thrown into a pond…. Ripples spread far and wide…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 16 2022 21:00 utc | 125

Iran is giving Uncle Sam lot of headaches these days, with its kamikadze drones. Whatever the name of the kamikadze drone, Russia is giving that chance for Iran to kick the Yankee arse!

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 16 2022 21:10 utc | 126

How Ukraine’s Surrogate Mothers Have Survived the War
When Russia invaded, Ukraine’s once-booming surrogacy industry seemed at risk of collapsing. But surrogate mothers and agencies have managed to continue deliveries, and clients are arriving again to pick up their children.

The normalization of degeneracy. That is democracy and a T-shirt president for you, the industry of commodifying human beings, just like going to the mall and picking up a felt toy. We’re done for in the west. That excerpt is from the NYTimes.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 16 2022 21:20 utc | 127

The air defense of Belgorod set a world record by shooting down two Ukrainian aircraft – a heavy multi-role fighter Su-27 and a tactical front-line bomber Su-24 – at a distance more than 217 kilometers, near the Ukrainian’s own airfield. (For comparison, the distance between Liverpool and London is 220kms.)

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 16 2022 21:20 utc | 128

Paco | Oct 16 2022 21:20 utc | 126 “The normalization of degeneracy.”
That says it all Paco. Children line up at gender clinics is now no more than ho hum ordinary news.
America leading from behind.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 21:26 utc | 129

DaVinci | Oct 16 2022 13:36 utc | 8
……”Hunter Biden knows where the gas is in Ukraine. He was once an executive director at Burisma.”
#Doubt. Have you read the texts and emails from his laptop?
He may have been paid U$D50k a month to sit on Burisma board. But I doubt he could find Ukraine on a blank outline map of Europe.
He was paid for his name. Not his (non existent) “expertise”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 21:27 utc | 130

Churchill knew about oil in Mosul. His knowledge culminated in Daesh. Now it seems Ukraine is paying the price for Anglosaxon greed. Thev US will have invested more in Ukraine than it ever steals. Which leadscthise innthe oil industry to wrong their hands like walrus and the carpenter for all the eaten oysters / Ukranians.
The brain rinsed millions know their part in this cycle of repeated piracy, to shut up and agree with whatever jingoistic tripe is being spewed.
That of course the fatuouscsight of BoJo proclaiming himself to be Green, while propelling himself round the circus on a unicycle and losing his red wig several times.
There are no nukes in the bottom of the choccy box. That’s not how the story ends.
It ends with the unfortunate necessity of putting down the out of control Crazies by Imperial decree, as in Mosul as in Somalia, as in Libya, Syria, and Yugoslavia.
The End.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 16 2022 21:28 utc | 131

To understand the Ukraine-Russia war you have to understand the second world war.
To understand the second world war you need to read this article:
http:// pre earth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174
REMOVE the spaces from the URL
You need to know that Hitler was a double agent.
There is also an informative article on the COVID SCAM on the same page.

Posted by: censored | Oct 16 2022 21:31 utc | 132

uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 19:58 utc | 116
Wind and sunlight. Somewhat like cut hay. Or perhaps washing on the clothesline swinging in the breeze. Nuclear energy to power the washing machine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 21:32 utc | 133

The US are preparing for a long war in Ukraine. The article also mentions NATO’s Resistance Operating Concept (ROC), a stay-behind concept developed after the Russian victory in Georgia 2008.

The United States is consolidating its activities to arm and train Ukrainian armed forces in a new command in Wiesbaden-Erbenheim. According to reports, the final decision on the command’s establishment is imminent. It will integrate all current structures, also including multinational structures, involved in direct military support for Ukraine. The US armed forces would thus even formally be in command and Germany would be bolstered as a hub for military activities of all NATO members in Eastern and Southeastern Europe. A strategy apparently being still being applied in Ukraine, was designed in Germany by the US Special Operations Command Europe (SOCEUR) headquartered in Stuttgart-Vaihingen – the Resistance Operating Concept (ROC), with focus on underground warfare against occupying troops, drawing on historical examples, such as NATO’s Stay Behind concepts. It integrates the civilian population into the combat and provides for special forces’ operations.

https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/9052

Posted by: Moses | Oct 16 2022 21:38 utc | 134

@c1ue #123,
Good point. The institutional investors who trade gas futures are probably not considering the possibility of cold weather this winter.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 21:41 utc | 135

CJ @82 yes, I was being silly, because the Viagra story was very silly. I’ve met a couple of Ukrainian women and they were good looking. I also knew an old Russian woman that wasn’t, although in her younger days as a ballerina in the USSR under Stalin, she was very pretty. Thanks to down south, karloff1 and others here for the sitreps. And also to b, who is gracious enough to let us post our comments. Cheers!

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 16 2022 21:41 utc | 136

Quoted by Down South @118: “The price of one UAV is about $800.”
Ha! I knew it! I knew the Iranians could design a disposable ass kicking drone that costs peanuts.
And the ass-kicking has begun.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2022 21:44 utc | 137

For those moaning about lack of RF ‘progress’, plse do not lose sight of of those forces facing tens of thousands of Ukr troops and thousands of armored vehicles and artillery pieces in the grueling defence of the Kherson region — if there seems to be few other offensive actions, it is because this defence is of paramount importance.

Posted by: chet380 | Oct 16 2022 21:44 utc | 138

I know you also want Russia to use their superiority (missiles, robots etc) but are too much in denial to criticize Russia so you project that hatred onto me instead. It is so obvious. But do not hate me, hate Russia for they are failing so bad, or do you deny that too perhaps?
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 19:56 utc | 115
Who would deny you and your opinion, Zanon? You are obviously the smartest person in the room and know more than everyone in the Russian leadership. It is a tragedy that nobody listens to you.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Oct 16 2022 21:52 utc | 139

@Zanon 111
I stand in awe of how Russia has. With limited forces, operating under tightly constrained rules of engagement, at minimal cost to themselves, not only largely demilitarized not just the Ukraine but also Europe while simultaneously engineering the start of the transition to a multipolar world in the face of brutal aggression by the flailing and failing old guard which has destroyed the Western economies with a degree of precision and thoroughness which might imply malevolence if the.West were not too incompetent for this to be intentional on their part. Perhaps this is the strategic end-game for which the chess-, jujitsu- and go-masters of the global East have been playing. If not, their luck has been amazingly good, and in war and life, luck plays a much larger role than most people begin to imagine (See the writings of Nassim Nicholas Taleb).
The fact that you cannot see this speaks volumes to your lack of education in military, social and economic sciences to the extent that your evidence lacking reprise simply shrieks of Dunning-Kruger syndrome. This is when you fail to recognize how ignorant you are in a field, because it requires precisely that competence in the field to make meaningful assessments of competence in the field which you lack.

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 16 2022 21:56 utc | 140

Activist Potato | Oct 16 2022 21:52 utc | 138
Given the resources of those who frequent this bar.
Maybe we can crowd source Zanon a direct line to Surovikin.
It’s tragic that all that concern and superior military strategy is wasted here

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:01 utc | 141

Zelensky pimps out Ukrainian natural resources to US imperialism. The very model of a little traitorous comprador. Biden Jnr, Browder and middle men of US capital cant wait. They didn’t get Russia. This is the consolation prize.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 16 2022 22:02 utc | 142

@113 then let us ignore this Bacon fellow and this Zanonsense too, hope they wilt and disappear. And for the record:I do not hate stupid persons, but I do hate willfull stupidity, only I guess these clockwork trolls do not have enough cogs to understand even this…

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 16 2022 22:05 utc | 143

Giyane | Oct 16 2022 21:28 utc | 130
The money etc that the US is ‘investing’ as you put it in Ukraine is really it spending as little as it can to maximise its chances of remaining top dog.
My fear is that we are approaching a very high risk moment in history, between now when Western Propaganda shows the Ukraine ahead until that moment when it becomes obvious to all that it is not. That is the inflection time when the US has either to accept the changed World or it kicks over the table with the false flag Russian nuke in Ukraine that it has been priming everyone for. They certainly have not been doing the latter for nothing, that is not the way they work.
Moses | Oct 16 2022 21:38 utc | 133
It looks like they are dusting off the old Operation Gladio files.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 16 2022 22:06 utc | 144

Posted by: Moses | Oct 16 2022 21:38 utc | 133
Same old playbook for “stay behind” and “gladio”.
Austin said they will “transition” Ukraine into “western standards”. Sure they will, after all other equipment has been destroyed. 323 jet aircraft, 160 helicopters, 2240 UAVs, 380 radar guided air defense systems, 5800 tanks including other armored and infantry fighting vehicles, 870 MLRS systems and 3400 field artillery pieces. Ukraine is simply a non-viable entity economically any longer. The fact that the EU as a whole is an economically non-viable entity too might not help.
Nato-EU is gonna provide and pay all that?
It’s really one heck of a time to be alive. We’ll see what India and China does, I don’t think there’ll be much left of Nato once all this is said and done. The only way to claim that Nato has been kept “coherent” is to morph it into a totalitarian regime, but it was enabled by shrinking the economies and GDP 30%, dismantling farming, utilities, mining and all other basic necessities of life. There is no economic power left, at all.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 16 2022 22:06 utc | 145

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 21:26 utc | 128
It is an absolute tragedy. The richest republic of the USSR, tonight Nikolaev is being bombed, a city where hundreds if not thousands of ships were built, one of the oceanic fishing fleets from Antarctica to the Bering Sea, plus merchant and military ships including the only carrier in the Russian fleet and the first one in the Chinese sold for the risible amount of twenty five million $. A country that produced the biggest airplane in the world, the biggest intercontinental missile still in service, that country with the label of democratic and pro western now is proud of what the NYT calls an industry, surrogacy. Better not talk about organ farms. A tragedy of biblical proportions.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 16 2022 22:10 utc | 146

METHANE HYDRATES
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate
…. ” For example, at 4 Celsius hydrate forms above a pressure of about 50 atm/5000 kPa, found at about 500m sea depth.”

Posted by: T S | Oct 16 2022 22:31 utc | 147

@145 but is that not exactly one of the main reasons the USA wanted and still wants Ukraine to be destroyed? It’s former glory was too much…

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 16 2022 22:35 utc | 148

US poised for slowdown in high-end munitions deliveries to Ukraine
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-poised-for-slowdown-in-high-end-munitions-deliveries-to-ukraine/ar-AA12Zo62
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin signaled this week that the U.S. and its Western allies are having trouble keeping pace with Ukraine’s demand for the advanced weaponry it needs to fend off Russia’s invasion.
That signal reflects dwindling supplies for Ukraine and fear in the White House of escalation that could lead to war between the U.S. and Russia.
The risk of reduced U.S. stockpiles of high-end munitions has been reported almost since the U.S. began contributing to Ukraine’s defense.
Now, nearly eight months since the start of the war, experts interviewed by Fox News Digital say the U.S. is at or very near the end of its capacity to give. 
They agreed that Austin’s remarks indicate that the initial rush of high-end munitions like HIMAR rocket launchers, Javelin anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft Stingers and M-777 Howitzers is over.
These sources said there may be two factors at play that are contributing to this reality.
One factor is the issue that Austin addressed directly this week – the U.S. is running low on equipment that it can hand over to Ukraine.
At a press conference Wednesday, Austin was asked whether the U.S. and other nations are worried about running so low on domestic supplies of critical munitions that they can no longer help Ukraine.
Austin dodged the question by stressing that the desire is there to get Ukraine what it needs, but he left unsaid whether Ukraine’s allies can actually deliver.”
I’m old enough for remember back in July when Brian Berletic and The Duran Duo were citing this report: https://rusi.org
The Return of Industrial Warfare. 28 June 2022.
Which clearly and starkly identify the choke points for NATO weapons supply….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:36 utc | 149

@ Hermit | Oct 16 2022 21:56 utc | 139
Very well said.

Posted by: dfg | Oct 16 2022 22:46 utc | 150

@bar.
Overloaded with information, but not feeling “informed”?
Can recommend 20min with Brian Berletic at The New Atlas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry51OGhVPlU
He was out there as a lone voice in the wilderness some months back.
But slowly his analysis is proving correct. He was saying months ago the west would exhaust its capacity to arm Ukraine.
And, if you’re noticing….across western media reports (slim and quickly passed over) are stating the supply cupboard is bare.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:47 utc | 151

These sources said there may be two factors at play that are contributing to this reality. One factor is the issue that Austin addressed directly this week – the U.S. is running low on equipment that it can hand over to Ukraine.
What is the other factor?
Did Iran threaten Israel???
Israel is more important to the cabal running the US than the US itself.
They need to keep weapons so that they can defend the mother-land???

Posted by: censored | Oct 16 2022 22:47 utc | 152

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:36 utc | 148
Hence the orders for South Korean arms.
It’s only a matter of time before US-EU are so completely depleted they’ll need to send Chinese knock offs to Ukraine… And I’m only half joking.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 16 2022 22:52 utc | 153

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:36 utc | 148
Hence the orders for South Korean arms.
It’s only a matter of time before US-EU are so completely depleted they’ll need to send Chinese knock offs to Ukraine… And I’m only half joking.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 16 2022 22:52 utc | 154

While I greatly enjoy Berletic’s analyses, I fear someone’s playing the “look weak when you are strong” card and laying a trap. (I’m a “worrier”.)
Even if a trap lies ahead, Russia, China, and the RoW seem to be conducting themselves with utmost competency.

Posted by: dfg | Oct 16 2022 22:54 utc | 155

Paco | Oct 16 2022 22:10 utc | 145
The human tragedy that I see, both for the brainwashed and those they attack… I guess I can have some empathy for the brainwashed but no sympathy. To deal with this in the mind is difficult. Much easier in times of anger. Friends and family are all following the mainstream pied piper to their deaths.
Cambridge Oxford Harvard, those places of learning for the anglo saxons. There are others. Rhodes scholarship, US young leaders program…. The so called elite, the people of influence, they have and are causing so much death and destruction – my anger is reserved for them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 23:00 utc | 156

Sweden lost its sovereignty when betraying Julian Assange, under US pressure. Swedes constructed a lot of dirty tricks to strangle Assange.
Posted by: Cerena | Oct 16 2022 19:15 utc | 98
I’d say we lost our sovereignity long before the Assange strangle. We lost it at least since Carl Bildt became prime minister 1991. Or perhaps already when Olof Palme was shot 1986.

Posted by: blueswede | Oct 16 2022 23:18 utc | 157

Posted by: Mick McLennan | Oct 16 2022 19:54 utc
Will be marching at the Sydney Town Hall comrade. In a lifetime of marches this one will be for the defeat of imperialism. Lets go.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 16 2022 23:40 utc | 158

Dan Farrand | Oct 16 2022 19:45 utc | 109
“All the talk of missiles and drone strikes etc. seems to have no impact on the ability of Ukraine to move forces wherever it wishes.”
Straight to their unfortunate end…

Posted by: donten | Oct 16 2022 23:45 utc | 159

delta wing ==> glide ratio = 15
Propeller efficiency = 0.5
Then,
Geran-2 motor power = 2000 Newtons × 1/15 × 50 meters/second × 1/0.5 =
13.3 kilowatts or 17.8 HP
Can you get a 18HP powerplant and 50 kg explosives for $800 ?
The actual cost of a Geran-2 is around a few US$ thousands.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 160

Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2022 12:26 utc | 2
“Country in talks with American drilling companies to bring its resources to the market”
Typical US, same as Syria. Between this and agribusiness I wonder how much of Ukraine will still be Ukrainian by the time hostilities cease. Guess Zelensky thought he’d get a better price now than in a few months. All the makings of Afghanistan, Vietnam and Cuba redux, with the local corrupt dictator trustworthy democratic leader flogging everything and flying out with an SUV full of cash.

Posted by: TPaine | Oct 17 2022 0:00 utc | 161

Gwynne Dyer continues to bill himself as a Canadian military historian and independent journalist even after penning the following:
https://gwynnedyer.com/2022/ukraine-the-focus-shifts/

Putin still refuses to accept that his war in Ukraine is lost. His ‘partial’ mobilisation of somewhere between 300,000 and a million reservists (the exact number is the one secret clause in the mobilisation decree) may be his last throw of the dice, but it shows his personal belief that the war could somehow still end in a Russian military victory.

Is it ignorance or simply his fear of being “cancelled” that inspires him? Or is he just another paid western propagandist too deep in shit at this point on his life?

Posted by: krypton | Oct 17 2022 0:01 utc | 162

Gwynne Dyer continues to bill himself as a Canadian military historian and independent journalist even after penning the following: [blah, blah, blah!]
Posted by: krypton | Oct 17 2022 0:01 utc | 161
Gwynne Dyer…is he still around?

Posted by: Activist Potato | Oct 17 2022 0:22 utc | 163

@160 “Guess Zelensky thought he’d get a better price now than in a few months.”
US oil companies are basically pragmatic. Can’t see them throwing money away. They are more likely to wait a while and make a deal with Russis.

Posted by: dh | Oct 17 2022 0:52 utc | 164

Regarding:

EU gas futures were a big topic around here in August/September with lots of salivation at the idea of Germans freezing to death in their apartments, so let’s check in and see how that’s going:
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 19:30 utc | 103

Based on the description on the page, it appears that the values shown are for the current month (or the next ‘prompt’ month). This is what the description says.

Dutch TTF Gas is a leading European benchmark price as the volumes traded represent more than 14 times the amount of gas used by the Netherlands for domestic purposes. Contracts are for physical delivery through the transfer of rights in respect of Natural Gas at the Title Transfer Facility (TTF) Virtual Trading Point, operated by Gasunie Transport Services (GTS), the transmission system operator in the Netherlands. Delivery is made equally each hour throughout the delivery period from 06:00 (CET) on the first day of the month until 06:00 (CET) on the first day of the next month. Futures are available for trading in the Intercontinental Exchange Inc. (ICE) …

As noted in the article “Germany´s failing ´stored´ nat-gas & LNG experiment” by Jorge Vilches (for the Saker blog), there are complications and technical difficulties for storing and retrieving that stored gas when needed. I suspect the Futures Contracts on the Intercontinental Exchange Inc. may reflect the combined effect of shortages related to extraction of gas from storage, LNG deliveries that are actually landed, other pipeline deliveries and the demand for gas in the upcoming winter months.
As an example, in early 2020 the futures contract price for oil closed with a negative price. This was because the owner of the contract for the oil futures was required to accept delivery — and all available storage facilities were full. The negative price didn’t reflect the value of the oil, but it did reflect the logistics for storing the oil at that time.

Posted by: Wayne1954 | Oct 17 2022 0:54 utc | 165

@ krypton | Oct 17 2022 0:01 utc | 161
gwynne dyer knows what he is doing.. he’s a stenographer for the empire and has been for a very long time.. so probably door # 3…

Posted by: james | Oct 17 2022 1:03 utc | 166

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Oct 16 2022 19:45 utc | 109

All the talk of missiles and drone strikes etc. seems to have no impact on the ability of Ukraine to move forces wherever it wishes

Which is good for the Russian’s otherwise they’d have to expend all that effort getting them to move where they want.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 17 2022 1:05 utc | 167

L’otan combat la Russie par procuration et Poutin veut combatre l’otan par procuration avec des armes iranienes pour ne pas utiliser ses armes secrètes de poutin (MHD, la technologie “Magrav” nom de code occidental “Khibiny”… ne sortiront que le jour “J” contre l’otan s’il y aura lieu. Des armes que vous n’avez jamais vu avant (Poutin).
Le double coups de Poutin est de montrer a l’otan qu’il peut les vaincre seulement en utilisant les armes modestes de l’Iran et leur montrer par même occasion que l’Iran n’est facile a attaquer.
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Nato is fighting Russia by proxy and Putin wants to fight Nato by proxy with Iranian weapons not to use his secret Putin weapons (MHD, “Magrav” technology Western code name “Khibiny” … will come out only on the day “D” against Nato if it will happen. Weapons that you have never seen before (Putin).
Putin’s double move is to show NATO that he can defeat them only by using Iran’s modest weapons and at the same time show them that Iran is not easy to attack.
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Posted by: Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 1:54 utc | 168

Posted by: anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 110
Thank you well said!
In fact there are posters here who fit your criteria and no one calls them trolls.

Posted by: K | Oct 17 2022 1:57 utc | 169

And by the way; some things you need to understand about Israel.
2000 years ago, there were no people even resembling (today’s) Jews, in Israel.
No one at all spoke Hebrew or Aramaic.
Everyone spoke Greek. And if they could write they wrote Greek.
This is proved by the building inscriptions found throughout the Israel area, which are in Greek.
The ancient cities in the Israel area are all Greek, and their ruins are still there for you to visit.
The only building stones that can be proved to be from the famed Second Temple have inscriptions in Greek.
The oldest synagogue in Israel has a dedication stone written in Greek.
The word synagogue (ΣΥΝΑΓΩΓΗ) is a Greek word for a gathering of people, assembly, or meeting place.
Read about it here
http:// pre earth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1175
REMOVE the spaces from the URL

Posted by: censored | Oct 17 2022 1:57 utc | 170

Poutin est un bon judoka mais il utilise maintenant la technique du king fu qu’on appel “kata de l’ivrogne” c’est “foutu’ pour eux.
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Putin is a good judoka but he now uses the king fu technique that we call “drunken kata” it is “fucked” for them.

Posted by: Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 2:03 utc | 171

It’s only a matter of time before US-EU are so completely depleted they’ll need to send Chinese knock offs to Ukraine… And I’m only half joking.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 16 2022 22:52 utc | 153
Trump spent $700B a year, for four years, rearming the US.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 17 2022 2:32 utc | 172

Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 159
I’ll just pull one out of a washing machine. 😀
Seriously, 16HP motors are about 500 yankee bucks at Harbor Freight. No idea about warheads.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 17 2022 2:35 utc | 173

Pour les impatient.
Poutin aurait pu éliminer l’Ukraine en 24h, mais c’était pas son but, il a dit “opération militaro-technique” cad pas guerre,
c’est des bataille psycho-Economique pour ramener l’empire du mensonge à la table de négociation sur tous les points stratégiques.
L’empire du mensonge a compris l’opération militaro-technique et l’a rendu en une guerre,
Poutin Réussira t il ou non son plan, ça c’est une autre question qui sans doute nous mènera à la paix ou la ww3
Sinon essayer ce traitement et tout ira bien
La patience tue la tentation donc apprendre la patience pour arriver a comprendre l’énigme de poutin

Posted by: Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 2:50 utc | 174

@ Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 2:50 utc | 173
thanks ahmed…i can always learn a little patience too.. it is something i have generally been in short supply of over my life.. i have come to see the error of my ways only the past 20 or so years, but better late then never..

Posted by: james | Oct 17 2022 2:55 utc | 175

Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 159
at alibaba you get a new for 400$
but you not need a new engine, for this 1 or 2 houre trip it can be a used too
offtopic
in german you can call it “eine alte Schleuder” (washing machine)

Posted by: Theo | Oct 17 2022 3:10 utc | 176

Hmm ignoring the costs of the assembly-line building and equipment perhaps 50 USD for the engine, 100 USD for the high explosives, 20 USD for the metal bodywork etc., 200 USD for salaries, 30 USD for temporary storage and transport, 200 USD for anything else, and 200 USD profit?
Watch out I’m aiming for the barn but a branch fell down behind me 😛
Oh I forgot tax and insurance… 8000 USD it is then 😀
“Fantasy football weapons production” 🙂
Okay so no one really cares, it doesn’t matter all that much, they defeat systems maybe three or four magnitudes more expensive.
It’s like debating which tiny village fell (or didn’t!) at the cost of hundreds or thousands of nazis/”Ukrainians”, and how important that wasn’t in the overall picture.
Not aiming to be harsh, I can see the appeal, I’m aiming for a laugh, and who knows what the real numbers are. Maybe I too have become struck by some kind of cabin fever in the middle of the pea-soup.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 17 2022 3:27 utc | 177

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 17 2022 2:32 utc | 171

Trump spent $700B a year, for four years, rearming the US.

In other words $70B per year of actual “Bang”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 17 2022 3:35 utc | 178

As if there wasn’t enough reason to believe the British were directly involved in the Kerch bridge bombing, it turns out they’re also old hands at the “human bomb” game:

Britain’s intelligence services may have masterminded an IRA “human bomb” strategy which killed soldiers and civilians in Northern Ireland in 1990, a lobby group claimed today.
The British Irish Rights Watch (BIRW) said counter-terrorism agencies may have been behind the lethal strategy, which saw six soldiers and one civilian die after civilians linked to the security forces were made to drive explosives into Army facilities.
The pressure group has sent a dossier to the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI)’s Historical Enquiries Team about the October 1990 bombing of three British army installations and checkpoints, two of which exploded.

IRA human bombs ‘brainchild of British intelligence’ – claim
Makes one wonder how many suicide bombings by ‘islamic extremists’ were actually mi6 jobs …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 17 2022 3:42 utc | 179

Joke part:
“L’énigme de poutin”… anyone else already imagining the perfume commercial? 😉
It has to include a nighttime Eiffel tower 🙂
Some things just sound better in French!

Serious part for those of us not all that steady in their French. Ahmed wrote:

“For the impatient.
Putin could have eliminated Ukraine in 24 hours, but that was not his goal, he said “military-technical operation” not war,
it’s a psycho-economic battle to bring the empire of lies back to the negotiating table on all strategic points.
The empire of lies has understood the military-technical operation and has turned it into a war,
Will Putin succeed or not in his plan, that is another question that will undoubtedly lead us to peace or ww3
If not try this treatment and all will be well
Patience kills temptation so learn patience to understand Putin’s enigma”

(Blame deepl dot com for any translation error).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 17 2022 3:43 utc | 180

@ John Kennard | Oct 17 2022 8:23 utc | 180
. . .had an F-35 airfleet to show for it, and had any little disagreement with the US, I’d be mighty nervous about that fleet’s combat-performance.
The current crop of ‘kamikaze’ drones are remindful of an F-35 fleet. Sure, these fighters have some (claimed) undetectable features on the way to a target drop, but when they turn tail and exit the target area (perhaps with afterburner) they are exposing themselves to the enemy armed with heat-seeking missiles which will readily ‘see’ the largest, hottest engine ever built into a fighter plane.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 17 2022 4:06 utc | 181

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 16 2022 17:48 utc | 84
7 popular characters who often feature in Russian jokes
https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/329132-popular-characters-russian-jokes

Natasha Rostova dances with Pierre Bezukhov at a high society ball: “Pierre, isn’t that grease on your collar?” / “Oh my, how could I miss such a terrible flaw in my costume, I’m so embarrassed!” [he retreats in shame] / Then, she dances with Prince Bolkonsky: “Andrew, isn’t there a food stain on your tunic?” [he faints] / Finally, she dances with Rzhevsky: “Poruchik, your boots are all covered in mud!” / “It’s not mud, it’s shit. Don’t worry, mademoiselle, it’ll fall off once it dries.”

Posted by: Browser | Oct 17 2022 5:01 utc | 182

I used to read DYER regularly for years. I can’t believe his brain has gone so soft as to keep putting out the total drivel he has been. It has to be medication or self-preservation. No-one is that stupid, except maybe the following: can anyone explain why Switzerland has decided to ditch their one major reason for existence, namely:207 years of neutrality. Without that they’re only left with cuckoo clocks. No-one will trust them again. How stupid and short-sighted is that.

Posted by: HOGGY | Oct 17 2022 5:01 utc | 183

@Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 159

Geran-2 motor power = 2000 Newtons × 1/15 × 50 meters/second × 1/0.5 =
13.3 kilowatts or 17.8 HP
Can you get a 18HP powerplant and 50 kg explosives for $800 ?

Yes, you can.

18 HP RZ192F/E Air-cooled 4-cycle Gasoline machinery Engine Petrol Engine RZ192F/E – Alibaba
Power: 18HP
Fuel type: gasoline engine
Engine Model: RZ192F/E
Engine type: Air-cooled 4-stroke
Starting system: electrical starting
Type: gasoline engine single cylinder horizontal shaft engine
$156.75 >= 100 pieces

You would also need a $100 smart phone to act as the brains of the system, and a $30 USB servo controller.
P.S. – I would consider the use of the civilian mobile phone or Wifi networks to remotely control the drone in enemy airspace to be unethical, and most likely an act of terrorism.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 17 2022 5:46 utc | 184

@blueswede | Oct 16 2022 23:18 utc | 156

I’d say we lost our sovereignity long before the Assange strangle. We lost it at least since Carl Bildt became prime minister 1991. Or perhaps already when Olof Palme was shot 1986.

Exactly. I was going to make that comment much earlier, but it is better it came from a swede. I would say March 1, 1986 is the day Sweden lost it’s sovereignty, when CIA murdered Prime Minister Olof Palme, known to be very critical of US imperialism. I remember that day as if it was yesterday.
It was then clear from the first second that the safety enjoyed in Scandinavia was lost. I remember in the 1970’s seeing our then Prime Minister Trygve Bratteli walking alone across the street from where I lived, heading for his PM Office.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2022 6:05 utc | 185

G. Doctorow has lost his rather substantial historical composure, as apparently have many in Russia, so I bring this your attention in a rather longish quote from his most recent
And this comes from the educated and cultured talking class, which he considers to be a good litmus
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/10/15/time-to-start-worrying-again/
Time to start worrying again!
“….Whereas in the past, going back six months or more, I had reported on the open contempt which leading and highly responsible Russian academics from university circles and think tanks were showing for the American political leadership in their statements on the political talk shows, this contempt has moved into an actionable phase, by which I mean that serious, God-fearing Russians are so furious with the rubbish propaganda coming out of Washington, repeated with bullhorns in Europe that if given the chance they would personally “press the button” and unleash nuclear attacks on the United States and Britain, in that order notwithstanding the possibility, even probability of a return strike, which, however enfeebled, would be devastating to their own country. That is to say, deterrence as a policy is fast losing its psychological impact on the Russian side of the argument….
…..One of the most sober-minded international affairs experts to appear on the Solovyov show, Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the Institute of the Near East think tank, contained his rage with some difficulty, saying only that while he had once held some sympathy for the United States, he would see its utter destruction now with little regret… ”
yikes!!!
and it goes on and on.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 17 2022 6:27 utc | 186

According to Ukrainian mainstream media; Kyiv, Odessa & Nikolaev are all under an extensive Russian kamikaze drone attack at the moment (from about 1 hour ago) — we will post all relevant information and footage when the details/targets are clear.
This photo shows what the Ukrainian capital looks like right now after the Russian attack — central parts and the outskirts of Kyiv are engulfed in smoke.
It is presumed the thermal power plant was attacked amongst other unknown targets

https://t.me/battleinsights/6108

Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:30 utc | 187

An unknown combat drone of the Russian armed forces attacks a Ukrainian tank in the Kherson direction with a drone-launched ATGM.
Towards the end of the footage, an explosion of the tank’s turret triggered by the shells from the auto-loader system can be observed.
This drone interface is unlike any Russian system seen before, it is possible it’s an Iranian combat-drone.

https://t.me/battleinsights/6115

Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:32 utc | 188

Ukrainian TG-channel “Cartel” writes:
“Another strike with the help of kamikaze on military, logistics and energy infrastructure facilities of Ukraine.
In Kyiv now there were about 5-6 strikes. 2 drones shot down by air defense missiles. At the same time, there are missile misses.
Terodefense again strikes randomly at the UAV, which causes more damage to civilians than to the drone.
In Odessa, Sumy, Nikolaev, Dnipro, Chernihiv, Poltava regions at night and now there were strikes with the help of UAVs. They are almost not noticed by users, and the authorities traditionally hide this (rarely says dry statistics that there was an arrival without casualties and damage).
Air defense and missile defense do not cope with their task. There will be more and more such arrivals, and about a dozen air defense systems transferred by the West will not be able to solve this problem. Most likely, the West, for show, gives Ukraine a small part of air defense in order to only receive informational hype and nothing more.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14861

Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:34 utc | 189

G. Doctorow has lost his rather substantial historical composure, as apparently have many in Russia…
michaelj72 @ 185
Gilbert Doctorow is not a Russian.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 17 2022 6:36 utc | 190

A group of Ukrainian intelligence officers was taken prisoner near the village of Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region in the Svatov direction.
One of them, Viktor Berezhnoy, said that at least 100 foreign fighters, including officers from the United States, Poland and Great Britain, helped the Ukrainian military in the Kharkiv region: “If the foreigners had not helped us, we would have disintegrated immediately. There are very few of us and we have a lot of inexperienced fighters”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14856

Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:36 utc | 191

🇺🇦The reaction of the people of Kiev to the explosions in the city
Residents of Kyiv, local officials told about the effective “anti-drone dome”. How he copes can be seen in the footage.
“Geran” flies freely over the Kyiv region💥 And since the air defense failed, the Ukrainian military are trying to bring it down by firing from machine guns.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14852

Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:38 utc | 192

Another kamikaze (flying bomb) strike on military, logistics and energy infrastructure facilities of Ukraine, in Kyiv, Odessa, Sumy, Nikolaev, Dnipro, Chernihiv, Poltava regions.
The Ukrainian air defense tries to hit the kamikadze drones (flying bombs), but it is hard as they fly low and too slow. Even, if they were hit, they are dangerous, where they fall. The missing air defense missiles fall anywhere, mostly on residential areas, parks, streets and damage the what’s around.
Several of these kamikadze drones hit the Ukrenergo office located on Symon Petlyura Street, which the central dispatching control of the entire power system of the Ukraine.
If these drones (flying bombs) are made in Iran, then Iran is taking revenge from the Empire of Lies and NATO for the sanctions and other damage done by them to Iran!

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 17 2022 6:49 utc | 193

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2022 19:34 utc | 104
Thanks a lot for the video link, highly relevant, and thanks also for all your other excellent posts. From the links that get posted, I know there’s good video material out there that I’m missing, I’ll experiment with methods of consumption!
Agreed on the significance if it’s as big as it appears, Mercouris seems to have good instincts for this sort of stuff.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2022 7:01 utc | 194

In April, 2022, Mr. Joe Biden, the President of the US, was in Poland and said that Russia is getting back to be the country of 19th century.
RUSSIA Map in the 19th Century https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FFfN9xEAWIAEyp2s.jpg

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 17 2022 7:17 utc | 195

Lest We Forget
Carnage: Ukraine’s terrorism on Donetsk City killed 16 civilians, 9 in one spot – September 19, 2022 – in this civilian residential area.
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zJpXcwMAVeI
On September 19, Ukraine slaughtered 16 civilians, including two children, with 155mm NATO shells, according to the head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin. The projectiles hit two adjacent neighborhoods, decimating residential and commercial areas – including a market that had previously suffered fatal attacks.
The carnage on Monday was worse than anything I’ve seen in my months of reporting here. Chunks of flesh littered the street – part of a hand, a foot, an ear. Someone had put a dead man’s phone on his stomach. It was ringing, the cheery ringtone incongruous with his lifeless body and the scenes and stench of death around him.
For most people, the concept of war is a distant one, and deaths are normalized by media reporting the numbers of victims and destroyed buildings – so most who hear of civilians being killed don’t really understand what a scene like this looks or smells like.

I has been going on for 8 years and still has not stopped.
Western media continues to ignore how Ukraine is using NATO weapons to kill innocent civilians in the Donbass

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 17 2022 7:22 utc | 196

SeanAU @ 194
Well, would you trust an old senile man?

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 17 2022 7:23 utc | 197

They Saw and Heard the Truth — Then Lied About It: Media on Donbass Delegation Omitted Mention of Ukraine’s 8 Year War on the Autonomous Republics
https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/04/08/they-saw-and-heard-the-truth-then-lied-about-it-media-on-donbass-delegation-omitted-mention-of-ukraines-8-year-war-on-the-autonomous-republics/
-by Eva K Bartlett, April 5, 2022
*Following is a lengthy overview of my recent re-visit to the Donbass, on a two day media delegation, with a brief critique of some of the media’s slanted reporting. It is also a follow up from my 2019 visit to hard hit areas of the Donetsk People’s Republic. It is now 8 years of Ukraine’s war on the people of the Donetsk & Lugansk Republics.
Might be handy to share when coming across people who only know / care about explosions and rockets west of the Donbass region.
If Russia or China, if Venezuela, if Trump if Kim Jong-il or Assad had compiled such a terrorist Kill List, the media would cover it endlessly Europeans and Americans, Australians and Candaians, would be outraged. They aren’t and we’re not. (Some of us are, clearly. I was speaking of the majority.)
Eva Bartlett – Oct 14 – Musk added to Ukraine’s Myrotvorets kill list (which includes 327 children!) – I’ve been speaking & writing about this list for years, after being placed on it in 2019, but now that Musk is on it, after Roger Waters & others, perhaps the “peacemaker” list might itself be killed…
Thanks to Brian Berletic (New Artlas) for covering Ukraine’s Kill List, which *is* a kill list (in spite of claims by “fact checkers” & pro-Nazi white-washers to the contrary).
https://nitter.net/EvaKBartlett/status/1581691532419092480#m
Ukraine Targets Elon Musk, US Aid Dwindles, Ukraine’s Offensive Increasingly Depleted
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=Ry51OGhVPlU

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 17 2022 7:34 utc | 198

Makes one wonder how many suicide bombings by ‘islamic extremists’ were actually mi6 jobs …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 17 2022 3:42 utc | 178

There seems to be hardly any “authentic” armed terrorism left these days. Surveillance and “counterterrorism” agencies now act almost exclusively as spotters, recruiters and handler-managers in service of geopolitical strategists and power groups. A lot of it is just mood music and background radiation to keep things fluid and as a cover for the systematic erosion and hollowing out of anything valuable.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2022 7:46 utc | 199

I’d be mighty nervous about that fleet’s combat-performance in any case.

Posted by: censored | Oct 17 2022 7:50 utc | 200