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October 16, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-176
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Ed Nelson Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 16 2022 19:17 utc | 101 Just a matter of time before Ukraine succeed on this threat considering there seems to be no defense with the Russians.
https://swentr.site/russia/564787-ukraine-strelkov-bounty-capture/ Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 19:25 utc | 102 It bears repeating – not necessarily for informed regulars, but rather curious propaganda refugees – that zato never intended to participate in an actual ground war. Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 16 2022 19:29 utc | 103 EU gas futures were a big topic around here in August/September with lots of salivation at the idea of Germans freezing to death in their apartments, so let’s check in and see how that’s going: Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 19:30 utc | 104 @anon2020 | Oct 16 2022 19:12 utc | 96 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2022 19:34 utc | 105 @Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 19:30 utc | 103 Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2022 19:39 utc | 106 @B9k9 | Oct 16 2022 19:29 utc | 102
Maybe this one Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2022 19:41 utc | 107 Chaka Kagan @16 Posted by: polarbear4 | Oct 16 2022 19:41 utc | 108 @Zanon 54 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 16 2022 19:42 utc | 109 @Down South 92 Posted by: Dan Farrand | Oct 16 2022 19:45 utc | 110 @75: there is a sea of difference between real discussion and trollery. Troll comments are intrinsically dishonest: they insinuate, they misrepresent, they use age-old propaganda techniques and slither out of any earnest conversation. If you can’t feel it, you are either intellectually immature or a troll yourself. Look at the level at which non-troll-contentious subjects are approached here and you must sense the difference. Posted by: anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 111 Hermit Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 19:53 utc | 112 🇦🇺🤝🇷🇺MARCH FOR AUSTRALIAN NEUTRALITY SATURDAY 22.10.22 Posted by: Mick McLennan | Oct 16 2022 19:54 utc | 113 @ anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 110 Posted by: james | Oct 16 2022 19:54 utc | 114 Question: are non ‘muricans appreciating some of the more ‘inside baseball’ references? Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 16 2022 19:56 utc | 115 anthony Posted by: Zanon | Oct 16 2022 19:56 utc | 116 snake #40 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 19:58 utc | 117 I believe that word for this is… “slaughtered” ? Posted by: unimperator | Oct 16 2022 20:06 utc | 118
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14786 Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:07 utc | 119
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14794 Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:09 utc | 120 @ anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 110 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 16 2022 20:25 utc | 121
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14798 Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:27 utc | 122
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14800 Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2022 20:29 utc | 123 @Yenwoda #103 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2022 20:41 utc | 124 From Slavyangrad telegram channel…https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14786 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 16 2022 21:00 utc | 125 Iran is giving Uncle Sam lot of headaches these days, with its kamikadze drones. Whatever the name of the kamikadze drone, Russia is giving that chance for Iran to kick the Yankee arse! Posted by: Paulg | Oct 16 2022 21:10 utc | 126
The normalization of degeneracy. That is democracy and a T-shirt president for you, the industry of commodifying human beings, just like going to the mall and picking up a felt toy. We’re done for in the west. That excerpt is from the NYTimes. Posted by: Paco | Oct 16 2022 21:20 utc | 127 The air defense of Belgorod set a world record by shooting down two Ukrainian aircraft – a heavy multi-role fighter Su-27 and a tactical front-line bomber Su-24 – at a distance more than 217 kilometers, near the Ukrainian’s own airfield. (For comparison, the distance between Liverpool and London is 220kms.) Posted by: Paulg | Oct 16 2022 21:20 utc | 128 Paco | Oct 16 2022 21:20 utc | 126 “The normalization of degeneracy.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 21:26 utc | 129 DaVinci | Oct 16 2022 13:36 utc | 8 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 21:27 utc | 130 Churchill knew about oil in Mosul. His knowledge culminated in Daesh. Now it seems Ukraine is paying the price for Anglosaxon greed. Thev US will have invested more in Ukraine than it ever steals. Which leadscthise innthe oil industry to wrong their hands like walrus and the carpenter for all the eaten oysters / Ukranians. Posted by: Giyane | Oct 16 2022 21:28 utc | 131 To understand the Ukraine-Russia war you have to understand the second world war. Posted by: censored | Oct 16 2022 21:31 utc | 132 uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 19:58 utc | 116 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 21:32 utc | 133 The US are preparing for a long war in Ukraine. The article also mentions NATO’s Resistance Operating Concept (ROC), a stay-behind concept developed after the Russian victory in Georgia 2008.
https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/9052 Posted by: Moses | Oct 16 2022 21:38 utc | 134 @c1ue #123, Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 21:41 utc | 135 CJ @82 yes, I was being silly, because the Viagra story was very silly. I’ve met a couple of Ukrainian women and they were good looking. I also knew an old Russian woman that wasn’t, although in her younger days as a ballerina in the USSR under Stalin, she was very pretty. Thanks to down south, karloff1 and others here for the sitreps. And also to b, who is gracious enough to let us post our comments. Cheers! Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 16 2022 21:41 utc | 136 Quoted by Down South @118: “The price of one UAV is about $800.” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2022 21:44 utc | 137 For those moaning about lack of RF ‘progress’, plse do not lose sight of of those forces facing tens of thousands of Ukr troops and thousands of armored vehicles and artillery pieces in the grueling defence of the Kherson region — if there seems to be few other offensive actions, it is because this defence is of paramount importance. Posted by: chet380 | Oct 16 2022 21:44 utc | 138 I know you also want Russia to use their superiority (missiles, robots etc) but are too much in denial to criticize Russia so you project that hatred onto me instead. It is so obvious. But do not hate me, hate Russia for they are failing so bad, or do you deny that too perhaps? Posted by: Activist Potato | Oct 16 2022 21:52 utc | 139 @Zanon 111 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 16 2022 21:56 utc | 140 Activist Potato | Oct 16 2022 21:52 utc | 138 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:01 utc | 141 Zelensky pimps out Ukrainian natural resources to US imperialism. The very model of a little traitorous comprador. Biden Jnr, Browder and middle men of US capital cant wait. They didn’t get Russia. This is the consolation prize. Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 16 2022 22:02 utc | 142 @113 then let us ignore this Bacon fellow and this Zanonsense too, hope they wilt and disappear. And for the record:I do not hate stupid persons, but I do hate willfull stupidity, only I guess these clockwork trolls do not have enough cogs to understand even this… Posted by: Anthony | Oct 16 2022 22:05 utc | 143 Giyane | Oct 16 2022 21:28 utc | 130 Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 16 2022 22:06 utc | 144 Posted by: Moses | Oct 16 2022 21:38 utc | 133 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 16 2022 22:06 utc | 145 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 21:26 utc | 128 Posted by: Paco | Oct 16 2022 22:10 utc | 146 METHANE HYDRATES Posted by: T S | Oct 16 2022 22:31 utc | 147 @145 but is that not exactly one of the main reasons the USA wanted and still wants Ukraine to be destroyed? It’s former glory was too much… Posted by: Anthony | Oct 16 2022 22:35 utc | 148 US poised for slowdown in high-end munitions deliveries to Ukraine Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:36 utc | 149 @bar. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:47 utc | 151 These sources said there may be two factors at play that are contributing to this reality. One factor is the issue that Austin addressed directly this week – the U.S. is running low on equipment that it can hand over to Ukraine. Posted by: censored | Oct 16 2022 22:47 utc | 152 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:36 utc | 148 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 16 2022 22:52 utc | 153 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 22:36 utc | 148 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 16 2022 22:52 utc | 154 While I greatly enjoy Berletic’s analyses, I fear someone’s playing the “look weak when you are strong” card and laying a trap. (I’m a “worrier”.) Posted by: dfg | Oct 16 2022 22:54 utc | 155 Paco | Oct 16 2022 22:10 utc | 145 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 16 2022 23:00 utc | 156 Sweden lost its sovereignty when betraying Julian Assange, under US pressure. Swedes constructed a lot of dirty tricks to strangle Assange. Posted by: blueswede | Oct 16 2022 23:18 utc | 157 Posted by: Mick McLennan | Oct 16 2022 19:54 utc Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 16 2022 23:40 utc | 158 Dan Farrand | Oct 16 2022 19:45 utc | 109 Posted by: donten | Oct 16 2022 23:45 utc | 159 delta wing ==> glide ratio = 15 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 160 Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2022 12:26 utc | 2 Posted by: TPaine | Oct 17 2022 0:00 utc | 161 Gwynne Dyer continues to bill himself as a Canadian military historian and independent journalist even after penning the following:
Is it ignorance or simply his fear of being “cancelled” that inspires him? Or is he just another paid western propagandist too deep in shit at this point on his life? Posted by: krypton | Oct 17 2022 0:01 utc | 162 Gwynne Dyer continues to bill himself as a Canadian military historian and independent journalist even after penning the following: [blah, blah, blah!] Posted by: Activist Potato | Oct 17 2022 0:22 utc | 163 @160 “Guess Zelensky thought he’d get a better price now than in a few months.” Posted by: dh | Oct 17 2022 0:52 utc | 164 Regarding:
Based on the description on the page, it appears that the values shown are for the current month (or the next ‘prompt’ month). This is what the description says. @ krypton | Oct 17 2022 0:01 utc | 161 Posted by: james | Oct 17 2022 1:03 utc | 166 Posted by: Dan Farrand | Oct 16 2022 19:45 utc | 109
Which is good for the Russian’s otherwise they’d have to expend all that effort getting them to move where they want. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 17 2022 1:05 utc | 167 L’otan combat la Russie par procuration et Poutin veut combatre l’otan par procuration avec des armes iranienes pour ne pas utiliser ses armes secrètes de poutin (MHD, la technologie “Magrav” nom de code occidental “Khibiny”… ne sortiront que le jour “J” contre l’otan s’il y aura lieu. Des armes que vous n’avez jamais vu avant (Poutin). Posted by: Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 1:54 utc | 168 Posted by: anthony | Oct 16 2022 19:46 utc | 110 Posted by: K | Oct 17 2022 1:57 utc | 169 And by the way; some things you need to understand about Israel. Posted by: censored | Oct 17 2022 1:57 utc | 170 Poutin est un bon judoka mais il utilise maintenant la technique du king fu qu’on appel “kata de l’ivrogne” c’est “foutu’ pour eux. Posted by: Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 2:03 utc | 171 It’s only a matter of time before US-EU are so completely depleted they’ll need to send Chinese knock offs to Ukraine… And I’m only half joking. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 17 2022 2:32 utc | 172 Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 159 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 17 2022 2:35 utc | 173 Pour les impatient. Posted by: Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 2:50 utc | 174 @ Ahmed | Oct 17 2022 2:50 utc | 173 Posted by: james | Oct 17 2022 2:55 utc | 175 Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 159 Posted by: Theo | Oct 17 2022 3:10 utc | 176 Hmm ignoring the costs of the assembly-line building and equipment perhaps 50 USD for the engine, 100 USD for the high explosives, 20 USD for the metal bodywork etc., 200 USD for salaries, 30 USD for temporary storage and transport, 200 USD for anything else, and 200 USD profit? Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 17 2022 3:27 utc | 177 Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 17 2022 2:32 utc | 171
In other words $70B per year of actual “Bang”. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 17 2022 3:35 utc | 178 As if there wasn’t enough reason to believe the British were directly involved in the Kerch bridge bombing, it turns out they’re also old hands at the “human bomb” game:
IRA human bombs ‘brainchild of British intelligence’ – claim Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 17 2022 3:42 utc | 179 Joke part:
(Blame deepl dot com for any translation error). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 17 2022 3:43 utc | 180 @ John Kennard | Oct 17 2022 8:23 utc | 180 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 17 2022 4:06 utc | 181 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 16 2022 17:48 utc | 84
Posted by: Browser | Oct 17 2022 5:01 utc | 182 I used to read DYER regularly for years. I can’t believe his brain has gone so soft as to keep putting out the total drivel he has been. It has to be medication or self-preservation. No-one is that stupid, except maybe the following: can anyone explain why Switzerland has decided to ditch their one major reason for existence, namely:207 years of neutrality. Without that they’re only left with cuckoo clocks. No-one will trust them again. How stupid and short-sighted is that. Posted by: HOGGY | Oct 17 2022 5:01 utc | 183 @Parisian Guy | Oct 16 2022 23:51 utc | 159
Yes, you can.
You would also need a $100 smart phone to act as the brains of the system, and a $30 USB servo controller. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 17 2022 5:46 utc | 184 @blueswede | Oct 16 2022 23:18 utc | 156
Exactly. I was going to make that comment much earlier, but it is better it came from a swede. I would say March 1, 1986 is the day Sweden lost it’s sovereignty, when CIA murdered Prime Minister Olof Palme, known to be very critical of US imperialism. I remember that day as if it was yesterday. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2022 6:05 utc | 185 G. Doctorow has lost his rather substantial historical composure, as apparently have many in Russia, so I bring this your attention in a rather longish quote from his most recent Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 17 2022 6:27 utc | 186
https://t.me/battleinsights/6108 Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:30 utc | 187
https://t.me/battleinsights/6115 Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:32 utc | 188
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14861 Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:34 utc | 189 G. Doctorow has lost his rather substantial historical composure, as apparently have many in Russia… Posted by: Paulg | Oct 17 2022 6:36 utc | 190
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14856 Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:36 utc | 191
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14852 Posted by: Down South | Oct 17 2022 6:38 utc | 192 Another kamikaze (flying bomb) strike on military, logistics and energy infrastructure facilities of Ukraine, in Kyiv, Odessa, Sumy, Nikolaev, Dnipro, Chernihiv, Poltava regions. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 17 2022 6:49 utc | 193 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2022 19:34 utc | 104 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2022 7:01 utc | 194 In April, 2022, Mr. Joe Biden, the President of the US, was in Poland and said that Russia is getting back to be the country of 19th century. Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 17 2022 7:17 utc | 195 Lest We Forget Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 17 2022 7:22 utc | 196 They Saw and Heard the Truth — Then Lied About It: Media on Donbass Delegation Omitted Mention of Ukraine’s 8 Year War on the Autonomous Republics Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 17 2022 7:34 utc | 198 Makes one wonder how many suicide bombings by ‘islamic extremists’ were actually mi6 jobs … Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2022 7:46 utc | 199 I’d be mighty nervous about that fleet’s combat-performance in any case. Posted by: censored | Oct 17 2022 7:50 utc | 200 |
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