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October 15, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-174
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Like other folks I’m increasingly concerned by NATO’s inexorable escalation tactics (sabotaje/weapons deliveries/sanctions/PR/terrorism), the EU’s blind allegiance to the US and where all this is going, with the risk factor becoming exponential as the SMO drags on. Posted by: Patagonia North | Oct 15 2022 17:04 utc | 1 For f-cks sake! Posted by: Zanon | Oct 15 2022 17:21 utc | 2 The Empire of Chaos and lies at some point soon will find their contributions to the war effort will be ineffective. I know there will most likely be NO effort at negotiations so they have but a couple of options moving forward. Tactical nuke/chemical false flag or a call to war. Look for much more terrorism of all Russian assets anywhere in the world. Posted by: Shocked | Oct 15 2022 17:23 utc | 3 It seems Ukrainians are trying to provoke Russia into making a mistake. Posted by: Passerby | Oct 15 2022 17:27 utc | 4 “Whitehall’s major problem with Moscow is that it “is seeking its own independent sphere of influence separate to any American-backed global order or rule book”, the then head of the British army, General Sir Mark Carleton-Smith, said last year.” Posted by: Kali El | Oct 15 2022 17:28 utc | 5 Any confirmation on the supposedly 60K Ukrainian force in the southern conflict area. Posted by: jpc | Oct 15 2022 18:03 utc | 6 @Shocked 3 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 18:08 utc | 7 >> Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 15 2022 18:19 utc | 8 People keep saying we are in World War 3, as if it’s a done deal. It isn’t a done deal, if you live in a city that’s not being bombed you should appreciate the difference between the conflict in Ukraine, and actual full-out war between Russia and NATO. Posted by: Lonkal | Oct 15 2022 18:21 utc | 9 And while here with nothing better to do, a few words about nav and guidance. An awful lot of folks get this wrong. Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 15 2022 18:31 utc | 10 You would require weeks of clouds to hide that big a force. Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2022 18:37 utc | 11 Piloted drones require bidirectional links. Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2022 18:43 utc | 12 Terrorists opened fire on soldiers at a military training ground in the Belgorod region Posted by: rk | Oct 15 2022 19:11 utc | 13
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14563 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 19:25 utc | 14 At the training ground of the Western Military District in the Belgorod region, two citizens of one of the CIS countries committed a terrorist act. Posted by: rk | Oct 15 2022 19:27 utc | 15 After Erdogan began taking positions contrary to NATO, things started to happen in Turkey Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 15 2022 19:35 utc | 16 World War 3 or 4?
I keep saying that we are in World War 4, a war fought using 4th generation warfare techniques. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 15 2022 19:45 utc | 17 Erdogan walked right into that one, he will always have to wonder if it’s the west or the Russians trying to make the west look bad. Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 15 2022 19:55 utc | 18 Looks like Musk just had a visitor:
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 15 2022 20:01 utc | 19 Norwegian | Oct 15 2022 19:35 utc | 17 Posted by: OttoE | Oct 15 2022 20:09 utc | 20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8zC_8r7Ts Posted by: marko | Oct 15 2022 20:16 utc | 21 “Ukraine is conquering Cherson and defeats the russians there.. Posted by: Preki | Oct 15 2022 20:17 utc | 22 Norwegian #17 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 20:20 utc | 23 Light rocket “Angara-1.2 ” with a spacecraft in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome.
https://www.spacelaunchschedule.com/launch/angara-1-2-emka-3/ Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2022 20:23 utc | 24 @ Marko #23 Posted by: Preki | Oct 15 2022 20:30 utc | 25 @uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 20:20 utc | 25 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 15 2022 20:34 utc | 26 The west and the Ukrainian regime do have a clear idea about what they want? Posted by: Marko | Oct 15 2022 20:44 utc | 27 @26; Posted by: Moaobserver | Oct 15 2022 20:54 utc | 28 Kali El #5 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 21:59 utc | 30 Elon musk doing a truss u turn: Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 15 2022 22:00 utc | 31 Marko #30
Even ten percent of what they have already achieved would be a bonus. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 22:02 utc | 32 Norwegian no. 20 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 15 2022 22:04 utc | 33 Norwegian #20 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 22:11 utc | 34 A troll was cheering the defeat of Russians at Kherson. Posted by: Surferket | Oct 15 2022 22:11 utc | 35 I keep saying that we are in World War 4, a war fought using 4th generation warfare techniques. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 15 2022 22:16 utc | 36 Starlink is the key strategic communications service for the Ukrainian nazi forces. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 22:22 utc | 37 @ Posted by: Joe9211 | Oct 15 2022 20:12 utc | 22 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 15 2022 22:36 utc | 38 Expectations via telegram:
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 23:05 utc | 39 Posted by Uncle tungsten on a previous thread Posted by: Paul GV | Oct 15 2022 23:05 utc | 40 Posted by: Surferket | Oct 15 2022 22:11 utc | 38 Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Oct 15 2022 23:06 utc | 41 https://consortiumnews.com/2022/10/13/caitlin-johnstone-us-rejects-moscows-offer-to-talk/ Posted by: marko | Oct 15 2022 23:10 utc | 42 Musk is a troll, propped up to become another president cowboy/actor some day (maybe if Trump doesn’t make it). If you believe he is not a pentagon front from the very beginning (for Starlink, or pick your deep state department more generally), I also have a bridge to sell to you (or pipeline).. Posted by: C | Oct 15 2022 23:11 utc | 43 I do recall some renowned economists discussing the following:
I found this translated/quoted at: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14534 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 23:16 utc | 45 Paul GV #44 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 23:19 utc | 46
The possibility that Russia is “in on it” would need to be reconciled with the following: (1) Russia’s reportedly having conducted the first 7+ months of the Ukraine operation so as to minimize harm or even disruption to civilians in Ukraine (despite numerous attempts at provocation by the West), and (2) the many published speeches of Putin and his colleagues that seem to sincerely and strongly project commitment to preserving Russian society, its people, and its culture. Posted by: David Levin | Oct 15 2022 23:22 utc | 47 This is sounding like WW2 where the japs wanted to surrender but the US did not allow them. Posted by: Smith | Oct 15 2022 23:23 utc | 48 C #47 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 23:25 utc | 49 Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 15 2022 18:31 utc | 10 Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 15 2022 23:33 utc | 50 Tungsten, wow, I am jealous, tunnel used with car or bus inside, geniusses at work! We just switched from gas to water in our pipeline lately. Much more economical. Therefore we call it underwater pipeline. BTW, we can also make it a loop, but that will cost extra. Posted by: C | Oct 15 2022 23:46 utc | 51 @38 Posted by: DakotaRog | Oct 15 2022 23:58 utc | 52 From https://t.me/zola_of_renovation/3307 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 16 2022 0:02 utc | 53 I’m kinda worried about reports of China saying all Chinese leave the Ukraine immediately. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 16 2022 0:02 utc | 54 marko@23 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 16 2022 0:21 utc | 55 Fox News: The US will be forced to drastically reduce arms supplies to Ukraine. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 16 2022 0:23 utc | 56 Thus@34 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 16 2022 0:25 utc | 57 Re Chinese leaving Ukraine. This week is big week for Xi, Party Congress where he gets a near unprecedented 3rd term (been lots of internal politicking ahead of this). Given Putin allegedly tipped him off about SMO and waited until after Winter Olympics, presume CCP giving its guys one week notice? Posted by: MarkT | Oct 16 2022 0:32 utc | 58 Everybody complains about rich boy Musk. Wonder what he owns? It would be nice to go anywhere and anytime with exotic women. NOT! Musk is bought and paid for. When your friends are mafia what freedoms do you have? Musk is owned by the US Military and three letter agencies. Should he step out of line maybe he will get to meet some of the USA riffraff, Seal Team 101 squared.
Reported here Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Oct 16 2022 0:35 utc | 59 Another week of Russia gradually being pushed back. Posted by: James Grip | Oct 16 2022 0:41 utc | 60 From telegram channel….https://t.me/+b4tb6xdSguZiNDYy Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 16 2022 0:43 utc | 61 One of the most elegant memoirs I’ve ever read: Posted by: Cortes | Oct 16 2022 0:53 utc | 62 Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Oct 16 2022 0:35 utc | 64 Posted by: K | Oct 16 2022 0:53 utc | 63 Russia will tear Ukraine apart. The west have them no other choice.This mobilization is not just about Ukraine but the entire west. Ah he’s a catastrophic Russian defeat on the battlefield that isn’t being blared by every western news agency and source in existence. Sounds realistic. Posted by: Lex | Oct 16 2022 0:58 utc | 65 ////////////////////////////////////// Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 16 2022 1:10 utc | 66 Posted by: K | Oct 16 2022 0:53 utc | 68 Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Oct 16 2022 1:12 utc | 67 Anyone know what this nonsense about Iranian troops fighting for Russia? All over Brit tabloids. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 16 2022 1:12 utc | 68 Musk is a Zionist Jew just like all the rest of them and he will be kicked out of china when the time is right. Oh, come now, Tom Collins. If it’s in a British tabloid, you can ignore it except for its humo(u)r value. Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2022 1:19 utc | 70 Posted by: Karl luck | Oct 16 2022 1:18 utc | 74 Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 16 2022 1:25 utc | 71 Karl Luck: I haven’t seen any evidence that Musk is Jewish, and he might not even a Zionist except when that’s convenient. What’s certain is that he’s a huckster who appropriates the work of his engineers as his own, and that he’s the ultimate welfare queen, sucking mercilessly at Uncle Sam’s withered and unproductive teat. Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2022 1:26 utc | 72 Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 16 2022 1:10 utc | 71 Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 16 2022 1:29 utc | 73 Brother Ma: Musk has, as b can attest, a Backpfeifengesicht: a face that cries out to be slapped. Such faces are hardly exclusive to Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2022 1:30 utc | 74 @Brother Ma #54,
The antenna on the drone or missile. An anti-jam GPS antenna is actually an array of antennae. That lets you play with the phase of signal and do things like null out the signal coming from some direction (try directions until you lose the interference) or do beamforming/beamsteering to create constructive interference and amplify the signal from a known direction where a satellite is.
Broadcasting over a wide frequency range
A navigation Kalman filter has a model of vehicle dynamics and keeps track of the history of sensor readings. It runs on a loop where each iteration, it calculates where the vehicle probably is based on last estimate + dynamics + noise. Then it uses that to figure out how much to trust/weight each of its sensor inputs and generates a new estimate. So if the GPS signal suddenly says we’re 10 meters to the left, it won’t influence the estimate much (smoothing). But the history means that if the GPS is consistently reading to the left of the estimate, it will gradually “pull” the estimate left (correcting for INS drift). But a spoofed signal showing coordinates jumping all over the place or saying the missile is sitting in Krakow will just be ignored Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 1:32 utc | 75 Hooray! Yenwoda is back. Maybe (s)he can tell us all about the Kherson front. You know, like joe0000 tells us. Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2022 1:41 utc | 76 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 16 2022 0:43 utc | 66
I wonder if, in addition to adapting to a salad of equipment variants, the AFU also has to adapt between imperial and Metric systems of measurement? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 16 2022 1:43 utc | 77 aristodemos | Oct 16 2022 0:25 utc | 61 Posted by: Maxx | Oct 16 2022 1:49 utc | 78 Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2022 1:41 utc | 81 Posted by: hopehely | Oct 16 2022 1:50 utc | 79 On savait que les petits satellites Starlink, financés par le Pentagone, mais gérés par les sociétés d’Elon Musk, la Russie a détruite partie juste avant ou juste après la destruction des NS1 & NS2 Posted by: Ahmed | Oct 16 2022 2:03 utc | 81 One can only be sickened by the MIC and its grand strategy… Posted by: circumspect | Oct 16 2022 2:06 utc | 82 Cortes #67 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 2:07 utc | 83 Reply to 60 Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 16 2022 2:10 utc | 84 Tom_Q_Collins #73 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 2:11 utc | 85 circumspect: Posted by: malenkov | Oct 16 2022 2:14 utc | 86 Eighthman | Oct 16 2022 2:10 utc | 89 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 2:18 utc | 87 @ malenkov | 77 Posted by: JEN | Oct 16 2022 2:26 utc | 88 Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 16 2022 1:32 utc | 80 Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 16 2022 2:27 utc | 89 Ahmed Posted by: Giyane | Oct 16 2022 2:30 utc | 90 Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 16 2022 1:10 utc | 71 Posted by: Ryck | Oct 16 2022 3:02 utc | 91 The long and winding road that has delivered the EU states to the cold edge of the glacier of doom:
So here we have a war in Ukraine at the cost of its people and future and simultaneously it is the garbage tip for obsolete and crappy weapons. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 3:24 utc | 92 @ 95 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 16 2022 3:26 utc | 93 Warning – insanity escalation event scheduled for 2023:
from here:- https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14543 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2022 3:44 utc | 94 Joseph Biden said; “The United States is never going to recognize this. And quite frankly, the world’s not going to recognize it either,” Biden said, adding that Putin “can’t seize his neighbor’s territory and get away with it.” Posted by: censored | Oct 16 2022 3:50 utc | 95 Joseph Biden said; “The United States is never going to recognize this. And quite frankly, the world’s not going to recognize it either,” Biden said, adding that Putin “can’t seize his neighbor’s territory and get away with it.” Posted by: censored | Oct 16 2022 3:52 utc | 96 Maxx@83 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 16 2022 3:59 utc | 97 Eighthman@89 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 16 2022 4:04 utc | 98 @ censored | Oct 16 2022 3:52 utc | 101 Posted by: SCan | Oct 16 2022 4:06 utc | 99 Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 16 2022 1:12 utc | 73 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 4:13 utc | 100 |
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