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October 14, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-173
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 14 2022 21:37 utc | 79 Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 14 2022 23:02 utc | 101 Interesting air defense encounter. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 23:04 utc | 102 Blissex @ 96 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 14 2022 23:14 utc | 103 ” Having read “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” by Perkins, it became clear that non-forgiveness (actually usury) loans by those international lending establishments, i.e. The International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements; could be considered as highly complicit in those nations who owe and owe and owe on those “friendly” development loans and aggravated compounding interest to the Bank$ter elite. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 14 2022 23:20 utc | 104 Million man army. 400k pieces of gear. Posted by: Meh | Oct 14 2022 23:28 utc | 105 To passs @68, Latvia sought to keep out or send back those “from racial or ethnic minorities,” while “it welcomed 35000 refugees from Ukraine.” Amnesty gives example of brutality experienced by Iraqis trying to get in. Migrants’ bodies including genitals were frequently tasered for extended periods of time. Latvia has no comment, says information is “classified.” BBC report says Latvia declared “state of emergency” only for the purpose of keeping migrants out. Posted by: susan mullen | Oct 14 2022 23:38 utc | 106 B, you’ve got a great, informative platform here, but you might want to consider addressing some broader strategic initiatives in which to complement daily topical operational threads. Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 23:52 utc | 107 Nine Russian war correspondents and war correspondent projects risk being prosecuted for discrediting the Russian Armed Forces. They are Igor Strelkov, Semyon Pegov (WarGonzo), Yuri Podolyaka, Vladlen Tatarsky, Sergey Mardan, Igor Dimitriev, the authors of GreyZone, Rybar, and, suddenly, Kristina Potupchik. Content in their tg channels is already being analyzed for fakes, defamation, and other prohibited and punishable items. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 14 2022 23:54 utc | 108 Anyone worried Russia is in the shit and not up to the task, well, even if true they just have to hold out a little longer for the west to finish melting down. If you all haven’t seen this, it’s jaw dropping, staggering: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2022 0:03 utc | 109 Objective Observer@79 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 0:15 utc | 110 @ B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 22:06 utc | 89 Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 0:16 utc | 111 @ I Know Things | 99 Posted by: JEN | Oct 15 2022 0:16 utc | 112 @ aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 0:15 utc | 109 Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 0:17 utc | 113 B9k9 @89– “.. how do you respond to the accusation that he’s the richest of all of Russia’s oligarchs?…” Posted by: bevin | Oct 15 2022 0:20 utc | 115 johninMK@86 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 0:24 utc | 116 @ LightYearsFromHome | Oct 15 2022 0:03 utc | 108 Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 15 2022 0:45 utc | 117 Watcher@91 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 0:50 utc | 118 It’s a deeply flawed argument no matter what, it goes “A is made of carbon, B is made of carbon, thus A and B are the same” and disregards that A is a lump of coal and B is a diamond. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 15 2022 0:52 utc | 119 Hankster@97 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 0:55 utc | 120 119 The ord river scheme became of that area. So i guess the plan was to create a fertile land for them from state money . Posted by: Hankster | Oct 15 2022 1:16 utc | 121 aristodemis@117…if you read what’s writen….Canadian Companies will supply the bulk, Canada garment companies make kit for Armies world wide. A Canadian company invented the digital patterns seen on modern gear. 400k pieces is chicken shit, each solider will need over a dozen ‘pieces’ of winter kit each, boots, gloves, socks, winter clothes, jackets, parkas, lj’s plus spares etc, shrapnel holes will put an end to recycling, blood stains likely wont come out. Canada’s military will have lots of winter kit in storage. More than half the country is frozen year round, the other half is frozen six months of the year. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 15 2022 1:24 utc | 122 @Blissex 63 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 1:32 utc | 123 I’m surprised the Woke student body didn’t drive them away. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 15 2022 1:35 utc | 124 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 14 2022 23:14 utc | 102 Posted by: One Too Many | Oct 15 2022 1:43 utc | 125 @ JEN | Oct 15 2022 0:16 utc | 111 Posted by: dfg | Oct 15 2022 1:50 utc | 126 In a powerful letter making waves across Europe, French General Christian Blanchon praised citizens who refused the experimental Covid “vaccines” injections. Despite years of pressure campaigns, discriminatory policies, social exclusion, loss of income, threats, and being blamed for other’s deaths, the General thanked the “unvaccinated” for their strength, courage, and leadership: Posted by: Australian lady | Oct 15 2022 1:55 utc | 127 @B9k9 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 1:56 utc | 128 Sure, he may have recenyly gotten religion, but how do you respond to the accusation that he’s the richest of all of Russias oligarchs? Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 15 2022 1:58 utc | 129 Posted by: Australian lady | Oct 15 2022 1:55 utc | 126 Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 15 2022 2:09 utc | 130 @LightYearsFromHome 108 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 2:30 utc | 131 @Australian lady 126
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 2:38 utc | 132 There are never any stories or photos of Putin or his family doing jet setting things. No stories of his families investments. If Putin is one of the world’s richest men, he really hates spending it, showing it off, or generally doing rich people things. Maybe he’s super rich. His early career absolutely has connections with oligarchs and organized crime, because nobody in any level of government or success then was free of such connections. But there’s really nothing to suggest he’s gotten fabulously wealthy as a leader. Posted by: Lex | Oct 15 2022 2:39 utc | 133 @JohninMK #82 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 15 2022 2:49 utc | 134 @Blissex #96 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 15 2022 2:54 utc | 135 @B9k9 #106 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 15 2022 2:56 utc | 136 Gossip about the mythical secret Putin billions was all rage a few years back, but seems to have faded. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 15 2022 2:57 utc | 137 Russia had more money in world reserves than it had debt before the war started. Anyone that thinks corrupt thiefs are in charge of Russia should question what happens to any and all western money. Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 15 2022 2:59 utc | 138 This may be old news but apparently Starlink says it can no longer afford to give Ukraine free service. This may be connected to the Ukrainian ambassador telling Musk to f*** off! Posted by: RTX | Oct 15 2022 3:05 utc | 139 Sean @121 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 3:22 utc | 140
Then missiles hitting Belgogrod are likely on mobile launchers that are constantly being moved around. The shelling of Donetsk city is probably coming from fortified bunkers. Not sure why they can’t be hit. I assume a large amount of bunker busting bombs would have landed on those areas if the USA was fighting. Posted by: Simon | Oct 15 2022 3:22 utc | 141 Russia can fortify positions in Kherson but they can’t change the fact that they can only retreat across a river with the bridges destroyed. And that is also the path their re-supply has to take. In retrospect they shouldn’t have taken that area. Not necessary to a land bridge to Crimea or getting supplies via Crimea. Posted by: Simon | Oct 15 2022 3:25 utc | 142 Musk should add the “USA military markup” to the price he charges the Pentagon for the Ukrainian Starlink service. Posted by: Simon | Oct 15 2022 3:27 utc | 143 Aussie Lady @126 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 3:27 utc | 144 Hermit @127 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 3:32 utc | 145 Hermit@131 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 3:36 utc | 146 aristodemis@117…if you read what’s writen….Canadian Companies will supply the bulk, Posted by: Activist Potato | Oct 15 2022 3:45 utc | 147 I mean, for one, the very first criticism of VPP is that he was KGB. Period.the.end. Sure, he may have recenyly gotten religion, but how do you respond to the accusation that he’s the richest of all of Russias oligarchs? Every historically important leader makes/has made these types of positive, affirmative pronouncements and proclamations. It’s what they do. Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 22:06 utc | 89 Posted by: scuppers | Oct 15 2022 3:46 utc | 148 There is a great deal of evidence mounting that Russia has no standing professional army at all. Unlike other nations, even otherwise neoliberal western ones, it seems to have an officer corps, a (dramatically shrunken) conscript force, and for the rest it depends entirely on soldiers on ultra short 6 month contracts to do the fighting. This is absolutely typical of neoliberalism, since it’s a lot cheaper to hire short term contract workers in what’s essentially a gig rather than build up, house, feed, clothe, maintain, provide health care, not to speak of the need to pay salaries and pensions to, a regular full time career professional army. The problem is what happens if you’re faced with a conflict that goes on beyond the 6 month contract period and your soldiers don’t renew the contract. Since you have no standing professional army, you suddenly find yourself with no army at all. Then you have to basically raise one from “reservists”, who really aren’t reservists at all if they need months of training to be combat ready, they’re just people who have previously been in the military. Meanwhile you’ve been still running your war on a neoliberal minimum cost basis while your enemy has been building up forces for an existential war, so now you have no forces on the front, your “reservists” are still getting trained, and since your oligarchs and the enemy’s oligarchs have common business interests all these months you’ve bent over backwards to try and not cripple their infrastructure in any way even though it is the same infrastructure the enemy is using to move all its weapons and troops. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 15 2022 3:55 utc | 149 @2 Don Bacon Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 15 2022 3:58 utc | 150 There is a great deal of evidence mounting that Russia has no standing professional army at all.Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 15 2022 3:55 utc | 149 Posted by: scuppers | Oct 15 2022 4:00 utc | 151 @scuppers 151 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 15 2022 4:02 utc | 152 Yeah, ad homing abuse from a Putin cultist is definitely going to make me change my point of view Posted by: scuppers | Oct 15 2022 4:05 utc | 153 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 15 2022 2:49 utc | 133 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 15 2022 4:12 utc | 154 @150; Essentially true. Posted by: Moaobserver | Oct 15 2022 4:19 utc | 155 @ Biswapriya Purkayast – you and bacon fat make a lovely couple… Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 4:26 utc | 156 I see the MI6 troll army are using a more subtle approach these days, having failed in all the others: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 15 2022 4:27 utc | 157 @aristodemos 119 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 4:38 utc | 158 @Ivàn 58 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 4:47 utc | 159 @No more need for massive strikes on Ukraine – Putin Posted by: Sam | Oct 15 2022 4:52 utc | 160
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 15 2022 3:55 utc | 149 Posted by: veto | Oct 15 2022 4:58 utc | 161 Moon used to be my go to recap site, because there were so many thoughtful posters who’d provide a synopsis and useful links that I could get the gist of recent events without having to wade through the sewage of propaganda of the controlled ‘net. Despite the bias towards Russian cheerleaders, it’s been a one of the most useful sites available for the last 7 months. Posted by: The Owl | Oct 15 2022 5:01 utc | 162 Posted by: The Owl | Oct 15 2022 5:01 utc | 162 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 15 2022 5:15 utc | 163 Grant #144 Posted by: YK | Oct 15 2022 5:15 utc | 164 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 15 2022 4:38 utc | 158 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 15 2022 5:17 utc | 165
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14336 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 5:23 utc | 166
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14337 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 5:25 utc | 167 aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 76 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 15 2022 5:50 utc | 168 The world was witness to a historic conspiracy, with economic consequences as profound, in the long run, as those resulting from 9/11. I mean, to be sure, the significant destruction of the Nord Stream infrastructure. Yet, this 9/11-like event has all but completely disappeared from the front pages of the Western MSM (to be sure after first being reflexively blamed on Russia). Posted by: MallardB | Oct 15 2022 5:50 utc | 169 Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:37 utc | 52 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 15 2022 5:51 utc | 170 karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 16:16 utc | 3 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 15 2022 5:52 utc | 171 The Owl | Oct 15 2022 5:01 utc | 162 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 15 2022 6:08 utc | 172 Grant | Oct 15 2022 5:58 utc | 172 Posted by: rk | Oct 15 2022 6:23 utc | 173 @ karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 16:16 utc | 3 Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 15 2022 6:26 utc | 174 rk | Oct 15 2022 6:23 utc | 174 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 15 2022 6:54 utc | 175
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581084888995725313
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581075601049669634 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 6:57 utc | 176 John Kennard | Oct 15 2022 6:26 utc | 175 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 15 2022 6:57 utc | 177 Musk seems determined to be reviled by both sides of the war. Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 15 2022 7:00 utc | 178 B9k9 #106
Thank you for stimulating a brief discussion. Before jumping to any conclusions or pre-empting any ’emerging new order’, I believe we would best give General Sergey Surovikin, aka General Armageddon, the time to confirm the demise of the old murderous order.
I gather the formation of the conditions for Ukrainian capitulation and with it, NATO’s terminal embarrassment will include the confirmation of the 1991 NATO borders. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 7:01 utc | 179 The more I think about it, the more I think the real disaster for Truss in the budget-debacle is her scapegoating of Kwarteng, instead of assuming full responsibility for the policies they shared and procedure she must at least have approved: Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 15 2022 7:13 utc | 180 aristodemos #117
The Falklands Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2022 7:19 utc | 181 Now I am assuming that Sputnik is as bad as J+J. Which is very bad. So that would influence combat readiness and effectiveness. And possibly point to a larger issue, where the question becomes one of how did the Russians fall into the trap of the shots? Are Lavrov and Putin really unaware of the nature of these shots? Its possible. I dunno. I believe my prime minister young Trudeau is aware and promoting the deadly program. Posted by: K | Oct 15 2022 7:31 utc | 182
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14387 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 7:37 utc | 183
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https://t.me/azmilitary11/25275 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 7:40 utc | 185 aristodemos #117
Centuries ago some would have suggested Ossetia. Legend has it Alexander built a wall for this very purpose:
Perhaps the Ossetians would agree to a two state solution … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 15 2022 7:41 utc | 186 The post from Dan was not accurate to say the least. Posted by: Brianborou | Oct 15 2022 7:45 utc | 187 Does anyone know where to buy a genuine new Russian army or navy fur hat from Russia, not some openly pro Ukraine site? The officers’ fox fur or mink models are particularly impressive. With or without insignia. I might buy another for my wife but that is dangerous territory, given that women have their own ideas about fashion. Posted by: Paul GV | Oct 15 2022 7:48 utc | 188 I think the recent reports of a re-newed UAF attack on Kherson is the thing to watch. This has always been the key piece of ground in my view and should the RF be ejected from or substantially compromised in the bridgehead then it will be hard to argue that this is anything but a strategic Ukrainian victory. So I have always expected the Russians to prioritise this area and really bad news for them if they lose it. Posted by: marcjf | Oct 15 2022 7:50 utc | 189 I think people here are overly harsh about Liz. I said a month or so ago that her flexibility gave me hope. She has shown that trait again this week. It seems to me to be unreasonable to complain on one hand about western leaders having no reverse gear and also complain about the one does reversing gear. What did you want her to do – double down? Of course, I tend to agree with the Duran blokes that the deep state likely has her days numbered for her. For me, that is not a thing to be celebrated. But to each their own, I guess. Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 15 2022 7:52 utc | 190 @aristodemos | Oct 15 2022 0:50 utc | 117
Some say that was the idea of the attempted ethnic cleansing of the former eastern Ukraine (I almost forgot the ‘n’ in ‘ethnic’). Now it is Russian. They are trying as hard as they can to empty the remaining part of Ukraine though … Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 15 2022 8:01 utc | 191 Posted by: marcjf | Oct 15 2022 7:50 utc | 190
I don’t see the problem. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 15 2022 8:02 utc | 192 But what does Putin want? A victory or a nice place in history? Posted by: xiao pignouf | Oct 15 2022 8:05 utc | 193 @Australian lady | Oct 15 2022 1:55 utc | 126 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 15 2022 8:06 utc | 194
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14398 Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 8:16 utc | 195 Posted by B9K9@69 Posted by: Paul GV | Oct 15 2022 8:19 utc | 196 What is the impact of the Russia Ukraine war on China’s BRI?
Could it be that one of the outcomes of this war the US desires is the destruction of the BRI between Europe and Asia? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 15 2022 8:19 utc | 197 @164, 172, Re: No mandate for Russian military to take Covid shot. Here’s a source. My Kaspersky anti virus service-which I purchased mistakenly believing it wouldn’t block me from Russian sites–blocked me from accessing the Russian site named below: Posted by: susan mullen | Oct 15 2022 8:20 utc | 198 new info By John Helmer Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 15 2022 8:27 utc | 199
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