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October 14, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-173

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Posted by b on October 14, 2022 at 15:47 UTC | Permalink

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So are the escalations going to remain verbal between non involvement Nato and Russia.
Or are we staring at the edge of the abyss?
The Nato morons have me greatly concerned!

Posted by: jpc | Oct 14 2022 16:07 utc | 1

Oct 14, 2022
Russia orders evacuation in Kherson amid Ukrainian advances
Russian authorities ordered their military to evacuate the southern city of Kherson, Ukraine, on Friday as Ukrainian troops continue to make gains in the area just north of Crimea.
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin announced a military evacuation from Kherson, which has been occupied by Russia since early March, after Vladimir Saldo, the Russian leader of the Kherson region, called on the Kremlin to aid in protecting residents from the strife between the Ukrainian and Russian troops. . .here

. . .reminds me of my September comment
Russia's days in Kherson are numbered. It turned out to be 'a bridge too far.' All the bridges have been destroyed and can't be rebuilt. Ferry service is sketchy and vulnerable, and so Russian forces lack proper logistical connections. Gasoline, water, food, ammunition, repair parts, they are absent and military forces can't function. They will die as a force.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 7 2022 2:39 utc | 99

This is an ongoing story, as the local Russians in Kherson are dragging their feet on it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 14 2022 16:08 utc | 2

Israel’s Arrow 3 Anti-Ballistic Missile System Eyed For New European Air Defense Alliance

[link: ]

As they watch* the ongoing Russian missile and drone barrages in Ukraine, 15 nations have formed the European Sky Shield Initiative.


"With this initiative, we are living up to our joint responsibility for security in Europe - by bundling our resources," German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht said during a ceremony at NATO's Brussels headquarters where 14 countries signed a letter of intent.

(*) ahem … decade long participation to kick Russian influence and investments out of Ukraine.
(**) ceremony in Brussels? Some moment to be gleeful about. The single biggest failure of leadership of the European Union. BIG FAIL ❗️

Posted by: Oui | Oct 14 2022 16:15 utc | 3

The Azov Nazis have invaded the Outlaw US Empire and seized part of Stanford University where the Nazi Neocon Condoleezza Rice is located, RT reports:

Russia’s ambassador to the US has rebuked the prestigious Stanford University for hosting an event which featured fighters from the controversial Ukrainian Azov Battalion, a unit in which some members openly espouse neo-Nazi ideology.

“It would appear that in its maniacal drive to tarnish and cancel Russia, the US is prepared to glorify Nazism,” Anatoly Antonov told the media on Thursday.

I'm surprised the Woke student body didn't drive them away.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 16:16 utc | 4

It started under Bush-Cheney to build a defense shield against “Iranian” ballistic missiles in a willing partner Romania. It grew … via Radoslaw Sikorsky of Poland.

This multi billion project for Europe build safely by foreign producers is a sort of … eh R2P insurance policy for us civilians.

Posted by: Oui | Oct 14 2022 16:17 utc | 5

Q&A VVP with journalists.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 14 2022 16:18 utc | 6

Meanwhile the fiasco over the "investigation" of the terrorist bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines reached a new level as RT reported:

Stockholm, Copenhagen and Berlin have refused to carry out a joint investigation into the alleged sabotage of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, news portal Tagesschau, owned by ARD media, reported on Friday.

According to the report, the three nations “actually wanted to investigate the destruction of the pipelines together and to find out who is responsible. But that’s not the case now.”

The three countries’ joint investigation team has been disbanded, according to German government sources cited in the report. Sweden was the first to leave due to privacy concerns, and was followed by Denmark. “Now each country will conduct its investigation separately from the others.”

On Thursday, Russia’s foreign ministry summoned the ambassadors of Germany, Denmark and Sweden over their countries’ refusal to grant access to the investigation. Moscow said it wouldn’t recognize the results of the ongoing probe into the explosions that damaged the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines in late September unless its experts were allowed to take part.

If Russia’s calls for cooperation are ignored, Moscow will assume that the three European countries “have something to hide or [that] they are covering up the perpetrators of these terrorist attacks,” the ministry warned.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 16:22 utc | 7

Let me repeat this message, which seems to be the most important currently.

Some of you may wonder what happened to the results of the NS1+NS2, the gas pipelines from Russia to Germany, investigations: they are now top secret. Even Germany does not get to see the results. Of course, nothing more can be done.

Now one could say that also Denmark investigates. But also Denmark does not want to give out investigation results:

Could it be, just a tiny bit, that the results of the investigation have unwanted results? Hiding the results of an international investigation against Russia means to me that pipeline has been destroyed by Americans.

Posted by: Tuk | Oct 14 2022 16:23 utc | 8

The problem of Russia and Putin is that they are trying to stay correct and to seek some kind of "justice" and to hope that the Western world would "realize"
Putin is ignorant of Anglo-Saxon world.
There is no justice there, just a strong will to steal and to rob other countries.
The West understands ONLY brutal force.
If Russia is unwilling or incapable to fight, it shall be totally
defeated very soon.

Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 16:28 utc | 9

It's been nice knowing everyone here. Have a round on me!

b, I'll settle the tab after next week's NATO nuclear exercises. M'kay?

Posted by: dfg | Oct 14 2022 16:29 utc | 10

Don bacon you only pasted part of the story, why not paste this too?

Here is the rest

A Russian proxy leader in Kherson, Kirill Stremousov, contested Saldo’s characterization of the events, saying: “There is no evacuation in the Kherson region and there cannot be any.”
“We urge the residents of the Kherson region to remain calm and to not panic,” he said.
“Nobody is going to withdraw Russian troops from the Kherson region. This is not an evacuation, this is an opportunity to save lives

Posted by: Anon8888 | Oct 14 2022 16:32 utc | 11

Why would a government minister of construction order a military evacuation Mr Bacon?

Posted by: Anon8888 | Oct 14 2022 16:37 utc | 12

Paco @5--

Thanks for the link and FYI. Several other events documented at the Kremlin website: Russia-Central Asia Summit and Meeting of the CIS Council of Heads of State. I'll post the machine translations of all three events to my VK. Related to all that activity is Pepe Escobar's latest, "Russia courts Muslim countries as strategic Eurasian partners". Here's one short excerpt:

President Raeisi, addressing the forum, stressed the crucial notion of an emerging “new Asia”, where “convergence and security” are “not compatible with the interests of hegemonic countries and any attempt to destabilize independent nations has goals and consequences beyond national geographies, and in fact, aims to target the stability and prosperity of regional countries.”

For Tehran, being a partner in the integration of CICA, within a maze of pan-Asia institutions, is essential after all these decades of "maximum pressure” unleashed by the Hegemon.

Moreover, it opens an opportunity, as Raeisi noted, for Iran to profit from “Asia’s economic infrastructure."

Do note what Pepe says about Indonesia further down his report while reminding yourself that it's the largest Islamic nation as well as much of Africa.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 16:41 utc | 13

Tuk | Oct 14 2022 16:23 utc | 7

You really couldn't make this up.

No-one actually connected to the pipeline's operation, including allies, will be allowed to see the evidence of what happened. It can only mean one thing, they have clear evidence as to who did it and it ain't Russia.

In a normal World it is Germany who should be vetoing Sweden's application to NATO as they are a hostile power.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 14 2022 16:46 utc | 14

It appears that Girkin and other bloggers are under criminal investigation

Posted by: Night Tripper | Oct 14 2022 16:47 utc | 15

There is no evacuation from Kherson city and suburbs. In the line of contact, there might not be civilians. Anyway, if Zelly wants, let them come from Nikolaev and other places. It is steppe. And it rains now. Its muddy and open, so let them come. Zelly is sending Ukrainian conscripts to a sure death. Just to give a slight chance to Biden to try to win the midterm elections. Well, that's what a Jew would do.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 16:58 utc | 16

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 16:41 utc | 12

The family portrait of that Asian gathering became a meme with the caption "Russia is isolated". There was talk of trying to expel Russia from the UNSC, it would be the end of League of Nations 2.0, with functioning bodies to take its place elsewhere.

Lots of hints in that Q&A session, like closing the Dniepr water to Crimea sealed Ukraine's fate, so just as the Iranians are not yet satisfied with the empire blood debt, Putin is neither satisfied with the bridge damage debt, and the ransom shall be big.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 14 2022 16:59 utc | 17

Russia knows, who are the culprits of the NS1, NS2 sabotage. When time comes, Russia will take action. Right now, it helps Russia. Germany has to get gas from France and Poland, other than what comes from Norway. It's not the time yet, as winter had not arrived yet. Russians can stand very cold winters, but can the Europeans, especially the Germans?

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 17:04 utc | 18

A Russian joke making the rounds.

Two Russian soldiers are having a smoke break at the Brandenberg Gate.
S1: "I hear we lost the propaganda war."
S2: "Yeah, just like in 1945."
S1: "Captain says the Battle of Twitter was very bad for our side."
S2: "Maybe next time."

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 14 2022 17:09 utc | 19

Anyone who expects anything but weakness from the German regime should take a look at young Olaf in the GDR........

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 14 2022 17:12 utc | 20

Haha, once again!

"Ukrainian shelling hits Russian power plant"
Part of the city of Belgorod, bordering Ukraine, was left without electricity

It is like Ukraine is the only one fighting in this war.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:14 utc | 21

Yes, Belgorod hit once again, almost daily now. Substation fire was extinguished but schools were permanently closed. Must feel great to be defended by Shoigu and his gang. What's next? Evacuation?

Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2022 17:21 utc | 22

The “cloudiness” surrounding the NS1+2 sabotage speaks volumes to the citizenry of the the EU and the world. I suspect that when combined with the manufactured scarcity being inflicted on them, it represents a tipping point. If there was any doubt that the EU is manipulated by the US (and others) it has been erased. A French agency just published a piece depicting the USA as the major threat, though I cannot recall which one…. As far as the cheering and jeering on the part of the AFU and their dashing successes, all I can do is shake my head.

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 17:24 utc | 23

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:14 utc | 20

It is like Ukraine is the only one fighting in this war.

And fighting it only against the town of Belgorod ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 14 2022 17:27 utc | 24

Yes, Belgorod hit once again, almost daily now. Substation fire was extinguished but schools were permanently closed. Must feel great to be defended by Shoigu and his gang. What's next? Evacuation?
Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2022 17:21 utc | 21

Clearly, the Russian government is without survival instinct.

Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 17:41 utc | 25

rk, marko

I wonder where the problem lies? Is it with Shoigu or generals? Regiments? Corruption? Incompetence?

As I said before, since Russia is obviously unable to stop this it is just a matter of time before Ukraine take the war to Moscow.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:46 utc | 26


What was hit was a 110 kilovolt substation. Small local installation. Impossible to know if this was the intended target.

I can't claim to understand this side of the war either. But this was a pinprick strike and hardly worth the trouble.

What RF has been striking the past week have been 330 and 750Kv stations. And some wondered why they were bothering with the 330s. For that there is a explanation. Doubt anyone cares about that, peanut gallery here just wants the spectacle.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 27

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 17:24 utc | 22

The fact is 3 / 4 NS pipe destruction is regrettable, but is relatively irrelevant. It also doesn't matter whether EU accepts using the fourth still intact or not. The supply just moves to other channels, in which all Russia has direct control or very significant ownership of gas supply sites in pretty much all of Eurasia.

We are now getting expansion of Turkstream. We are also getting major petrochemical projects between Saudi Arabia which will be able to trump all other petrochemical refining in the world, due to feedstock being cheap, in place and available. These are major industrial and energy hubs forming out of control of the west.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 28

No more need for massive strikes on Ukraine – Putin

He is just afraid.

Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 17:52 utc | 29

In regard to Ukraine taking the war to Moscow: are you guys just saying that to troll, and if not how on earth do you think that will happen?

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 17:52 utc | 30

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 27

*major petrochemical projects between Saudi Arabia and Russia

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:52 utc | 31

@unimperitor: Good points about the significant collaboration in the energy sector. What can the USA and the vassals really do other than try to sabotage? Meanwhile their population grows restless. We are seeing how the sanctions are turning out to a form of boomerang foot-shooting. Russia and her allies must be looking on in amusement: “We can tell by your sabotaging that you really dont want our hydrocarbons. In case you do, time is limited. Meanwhile, we will be building the Eurasian World Island. For everyone’s sake, do try to stay out of the way.

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 18:00 utc | 33

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 18:00 utc | 32

I would expect US start ramping up terrorist attacks inside Gulf States and especially Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile Israel continues to hit Syria. Erdogan expands his influence through Azerbaijan and maybe further across the Caspian sea to the Stans.

Obviously those are secondary threats, the main threat is to deal with Ukraine, which is now literally a rabid nazi caliphate/terrorist regime and will be for a long time. US has also shipped all their "moderate rebels" as we learned to know them during the last decade, to Ukraine, including ISIS, AQ, Jabhat al-nusra and all the interchangeable alphabet soup groups and chopperas from Syria and Iraq. The main thing is US must lose, all other issues can be settled in other ways.

In my view, US used Ukraine initially to tighten their grip on Ukraine. Their secondary goal is to use them as a long "partisan war", Russians have mostly denied this through just letting the Ukrainian so-called partisans come to the front ditches. Nato will have millions upon millions of cheap bodies to train. They started getting cocky as they viewed the "grinding" method as weakness. IMO Russia just wins this whole thing just by holding the fronts and causing continuously casualties like they did so far. The economic realities will cripple EU and, further down the road, USA.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 18:16 utc | 34

This is a massive war, geniuses. Of course border sites in Russia will be hit on a regular basis as long as Ukraine has the means.

Same thing happens in Saudi vs Yemen or would happen in a Israel vs Lebanon war.

Some of these kids posting here need to go back to school. Lol

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 14 2022 18:17 utc | 35

*and all the interchangeable alphabet soup groups and head choppers...
*US used Ukraine initially to tighten their grip on Europe...
typos, typos

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 18:19 utc | 36

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 14 2022 17:09 utc | 18

I made this version.

Russian Soldier 1: We surely lost the propaganda war.
RS 2: Yeah, terrible.
RS 1: Hey, dont tell anyone I am throwing my cigarettes on the road.
RS 2: I heard the Germans dont like that.
RS 1: Yeah, especially under the Branderburg gate.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 14 2022 18:29 utc | 37

@2 Don Bacon

The announcement was actually:

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin announced a military-aided evacuation from Kherson,

They are aiding civilians who wish to evacuate Kherson.

Much different than you edited version which implies the Military is evacuating Kherson.

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Oct 14 2022 18:42 utc | 38

12 Cont'd--

I've collected the Summit, CIS Meeting, and Presser into one article, "Putin's Busy Friday" and provided a short commentary at its end.

Paco @16--

Thanks for your reply. IMO, the question about Ukraine's continued existence was very important as was Putin's cagy answer, which I commented upon. I must admit to being disappointed at the Eurasian Development Bank's level of loans--$7 billion--which doesn't seem commensurate with the level of ambition. What is encouraging is the reformation of the economic interactions that existed during the Soviet period that can be seen as a rough equivalent of Bismarck's resurrection of the Zollverein to aid German unification and to enhance its economic power. Clearly, much was done that's not reflected in the amount of information divulged by Putin. I linked to the additional documents that were signed after both meetings. Most important IMO from the Summit's Joint Declaration are these two paragraphs:

"Noting the importance of Central Asia as a natural "bridge" between the regions of the South and north, East and West in the Eurasian space, contributing to the formation of more advanced, fair models of economic development on the continent, consonant with the objective processes of the formation of a multipolar world;

"Considering it important to combine the potentials of the countries of the region, international organizations and multilateral associations in Eurasia in the interests of building a broad, open, mutually beneficial and equal partnership on the continent;"

Further in the Declaration it's described how all that will be acted upon, but we can expect the rapid development of transport corridors throughout the region, much of which ought to have occurred during Soviet times. Now, it's time for the region's peoples to forget their differences and act in unison for their squabbling keeps them weak and viable target for the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 18:46 utc | 39

It's nice to watch how the UK is crumbling. There's dumb Liz, and dumber king. Would the UK have enough cash to go through this winter season?

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 18:47 utc | 40

Most commentators here are fixated on the battlefield minutae.
The war is in the realms of who gets to run the money system. Ukraine is a border skirmish where young men are sent to die. If you are Ukrainian and you comply: you die. Just like if you have allowed your body cells to produce a registered bioweapon called spike protein. You die. Maybe not today or tomorrow. But within 5 years traffic will begin to thin.

Posted by: Jacq | Oct 14 2022 18:56 utc | 41


Yes, Bacon appears to be a bit fried. Do eggs come next, or only egos?

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 18:57 utc | 42

aristodemos here:

Ah, the relentless duo @20&21 with their echo chamber effect, as if they are reading from prepared scripts, one after the other. Don't their handlers realize they shouldn't be such dead giveaways?

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 19:00 utc | 43

This whole war is about whether or not the US Dollar will be half of every transaction on the planet, and if the impossible to pay "ever compounding interest" owed on every Dollar that exists can be used to claim ownership of natural resources of Russia.

I don't know how long Russia can keep fighting, but the Banksters and the politicians they own will keep fighting as long as they can conjure up unlimited amounts of Dollars, and non-Americans trade the material goods and services needed to wage war for those conjured up Dollars. (Do not blame the average American for China supplying stuff to the Military Industrial Complex in exchange for Dollars, and the Banksters and the politicians they own then use the stuff to attack Russia through Ukraine.)

If you want to end this and most other wars, STOP HOLDING DOLLARS and if you must take Dollars in trade, trade the Dollars away as fast as you can in exchange for non-Dollar stuff.

Posted by: Carl | Oct 14 2022 19:01 utc | 44

aristodemos II

Now we get treated to the 23/24 Dynamic Duo of linked posters. Can anyone tell us which one is Wet Blanket and which is Negative Nancy?

For micro-biologists searching for new specimens, perhaps they might check some of these posings.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 19:04 utc | 45

George: Well, this is splendid, comradely news! Together, we’ll fight for king
and country
Slava Ukraini, and be sucking sausages drinking vodka in Berlin Moscow by teatime.

Edmund: Yes, I hope their cafes are well stocked; everyone seems determined
to eat out the moment they arrive.

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Oct 14 2022 19:10 utc | 46

Putin said that no bigger bombings on Ukraine are needed
A few hours later Belgorod is hit by the Ukrainians

The Ukrainians are massing forces for the Kherson offensive.
When the Russians have to leave will it be some kind of New genius move ?

There are either traitors in the Russian command or Russia lack equipment and Manpower to protect its New oblasts.
The hastily trained conscripts will be sent against hardened Nato troops and will not change the course of the offensive

Posted by: Abeille Flandres | Oct 14 2022 19:13 utc | 47

marko | Oct 14 2022 16:28 utc | 8
Putin is ignorant of Anglo-Saxon world.
There is no justice there, just a strong will to steal and to rob other countries.

Well said. Just look at the Americans stealing oil from Syria, or the Bank of England refusing to return Venezuela's gold. Or think of Libya's vast gold reserves that have been unaccounted for since the NATO invasion of 2010/11. The Anglo-Saxons are attracted to material wealth to a degree that by far exceeds other societies. Trying to understand why this is the case, maybe some of you have a theory to offer.

Posted by: grunzt | Oct 14 2022 19:17 utc | 48

jacq@40 + Carl@43

You guys are on the track. Once the Chinese and Russians fully employ their own (swift) system replacement and as more exchanges are done amongst cooperating countries; the Dollar hegemony will gradually disintegrate. With the Saudis disowning the all-important Petro-Dollar, the first silver nail is driven into Dracula's coffin.

Nixon's deviation from the Bretton Woods agreement and taking America off gold-backed currency guarantees was predicated on the agreement with King Saud in the "creation" of the Petrodollar as the fall-back position where all petroleum sales was to be denominated in dollars. We may consider Prince Bin Salman's rapprochement with Russia in development of Opec+ as not only the rats leaving the sinking ship, but also as a harbinger of a newer world re-ordering.

Having read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by Perkins, it became clear that non-forgiveness (actually usury) loans by those international lending establishments, i.e. The International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements; could be considered as highly complicit in those nations who owe and owe and owe on those "friendly" development loans and aggravated compounding interest to the Bank$ter elite. Solution? As the alternative system gains traction, trust and respect by a plethora of "uncommitted" nations, new commitments may be agreed upon for a lending system which does not include a treble-barbed hook within the financial "treats".

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 19:22 utc | 49

Kiev announces FIRST German-made IRIS-T advanced air defense system given to Ukraine by Berlin has been deployed on front lines in South Ukraine.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:23 utc | 50

Russia Pushes Ukraine Out of World Food Market

Following a meeting between Putin and Erdogan, it became clear that the grain deal would not be extended. The President is personally dissatisfied with the deal, while his aide Ushakov and Foreign Minister Lavrov criticise it. The arguments against it are:

1. The West has not fulfilled its obligations to lift restrictions on Russian grain exports.
2. Kiev and the West have failed to keep promises on ammonia exports.
3. Grain is not going to poor countries, but to the EU

Moreover, the conditions of the deal were linked to the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge through the export of explosives from the port of Odessa to Bulgaria to the control post in Istanbul.

As things stand, in mid-November, the Ukrainian ports involved in the deal will close again, and Ukrainian grain will flow exclusively to the EU market via rail and road, where it has been going instead of to the poor countries the US and EU used as cover to push the deal through.

The new proposal is that Russian grain will be carried to actually disadvantaged countries by Russia and Turkey, where the grain will, in Erdogan's words, "make the needy countries happy". Payment looks set to go through Turkey or Qatar, the latter may well start lending to buyers of Russian grain. For Turkey, the deal is a good one - they made money from Ukraine, and now they will make money together with Russia. Pros for Russia:

1. Full harvest exports (under 150 million tonnes of grain, but lots of forage) have begun;
2. The rise of Russia's prestige among African and Middle Eastern countries; and,
3. Opportunities to open new markets afterwards, as well as to capture markets where Ukraine used to be.

Politically, the most important thing is that grain will be supplied to poor countries without any involvement of the US and the EU, or the UN.

In addition, Russia is aiming at Ukraine's place as the main exporter of sunflower oil, which is logical after the new territories (25% of the Ukrainian sunflower area and 22% of its harvest in 2021) have become part of the Russian Federation. But the government plans to allocate 4.8 billion rubles for the development of oilseeds: the money will be distributed among 43 regions, which will increase the production of soybeans, rapeseed, sunflower, and flax by 1.74 million tons.

The forecast for Russia's sunflower harvest this year is 15m tonnes. In Ukraine, 14.9 million tonnes will be harvested in 2021. 3.3 million tonnes from the new territories in the Russian harvest, and this means an output of 18.3 million tonnes of sunflower. All in all, 20 million tonnes is well within reach.

As a result, Russia will become the number one exporter of sunflower oil in the world, displacing Ukraine from this position. The latter will become an oilseed appendage of the EU.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:30 utc | 51

How to Introduce New Soldiers to a Real War?

The most appropriate use of the recently-mobilized servicemen may be to introduce them gradually as marching reinforcements into units already familiar with the front. This would ensure better preservation of the units' combat effectiveness and gradual improvement of the mobilized men's skills by allowing them to interact with the combat core of the units into which they have been drafted.

On the contrary, the riskiest option is to deploy entirely newly-formed units with little or no combat experience directly to the front. This makes it almost inevitable that they would face a host of problems: from the lack of proper front-line living arrangements to the insufficient stability of new units under fire, which is difficult to ensure even for good commanders with combat experience when they have few experienced men in their ranks, and even more difficult if the commanders themselves are from the mobilized ranks.

The risk is even greater in our situation, considering the main trump card of our enemy. Let me remind you, this trump card is the perfect (and developing) NATO intelligence system, to which Ukraine now has the widest possible access. The enemy's ability to identify the appearance of untrained units at the front and concentrate its efforts on them would then pose a very serious problem for us at the front.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:33 utc | 52

The situation around Musk and Starlinks for Ukraine is still evolving. Seems like Musk's stance voiced on Twitter is not merely a pose.

1. Pentagon has officially confirmed that it has started consultations with Musk on changing the formats of support for the Starlink constellation of satellites used by the AFU in Ukraine.

2. At the same time, the Pentagon has already (!) stated that in addition to Starlink other ways to provide the AFU with satellite communications are being considered.

3. Zelensky's gang after this morning's scandal urgently started backtracking and made a number of different statements, claiming that Musk has already done a lot for Ukraine and that they should try to negotiate with him (the story with Musk appearing and then quickly disappearing from the Mirotvorets "Peacemaker" website, where the Ukrainian secret police, the SBU, lists the enemies of Ukraine, is simply of evidence of this mid-flight re-shoeing).

Among the reasons for what is happening in the US are:

1. Musk is clearly betting on the Republicans and is willing to put up with some inconvenience (the investigation against him has already begun), which will not be significant once the Republicans gain control of Congress. Moreover, in the long run, Musk will win, including when dealing with the 2023 and 2024 defence budgets, where he will certainly be one of the Pentagon's contractors.

2. A conspiracy theory making the rounds involves alleged Russian threats to destroy the constellation of Starlink satellites with anti-satellite weapons which Russia possesses (other than the story with the strange glow last week and rumors about AFU's problems with Starlink, this version is not corroborated by anything).

3. And, of course, these actions of Musk are connected with the actions of the groups of American and European establishment elite, which openly support the freezing of the war in Ukraine and actually use Musk's demarches to push this position in the mass consciousness, which also conditions the current violent attacks against Musk by the proponents of the war to Europe's and Ukraine's bitter end.

Giving Ukrainians Starlink was a great business idea. And the fact that at first it was free is quite within the logic of this idea. The system is really amazing. Yes, and the Ukrainian military use it to the fullest, pumping huge traffic through it, much more than ordinary household consumers.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine got used to it, it has become almost indispensable, just like free heroin, on which an experienced drug dealer hooked another sucker. And when the sucker began to break without heroin, heroin suddenly became paid.
And it's bullshit that the Pentagon will have to pay. Musk doesn't really care who pays.

Only in this whole story there is one more interesting moment - over time, Ukrainians will begin to learn that, in general, nothing is free at all. No three-axe howitzers, no Javelins, no Hymars, no other prodigy. You will have to pay for everything and the account will be rolled out for sure.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:37 utc | 53

None of the sources of Vladimir Soloviev, Putin's regular interviewer and confidante, can confirm the existence of the "list of Telegram authors that the Ministry of Defence has asked to be investigated for publications bringing the Russian Armed Forces into disrepute."

Don't watch the hands. Watch the ball.

It is in the interest of the "party of peace and deal-making" to silence criticism of the military operation, as they attempt to force Russia into a shameful peace by concealing the weaknesses that can be fixed. It is in the interest of the "party of war and victory"—which finally, after 9 months, has the upper hand and the initiative—to air the dirty laundry and fix what is necessary to secure Russia's future.

It is up to Putin—as always and usual—to mediate between the "Towers of the Kremlin" and find the path forward. The momentum of war preparation on both sides of the conflict has nearly crossed the Rubicon (to be fair, it had crossed it on the Ukrainian and Western side over a year ago, and it is Russia that is now catching up).

The defeat of the comprador "party of peace and deal-making" is, in my opinion, inevitable—however long, arduous, and painful that path to victory may be. The success of the "party of war and victory" will be built on that.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:40 utc | 54

... Doubt anyone cares about that, peanut gallery here just wants the spectacle.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 26

Come on, you know that’s not completely true! Assume you’re referring to the apparently surgical nature of the strikes:

If the task had been to drive the earth from Odessa to Lvov into the Stone Age, fewer missiles would have been needed, targeting completely different targets. As the Americans did in Serbia, Iraq and Syria. Now, with surgical precision, Ukraine has been put on a prison half-starvation ration, with the exact calculation: there will be enough electricity for the civilian population and key life-support enterprises. Not without economisation, but enough. And you will try again to make a profit with surpluses, for which European countries are churning out weapons … we will “Kalibr-ate” the system again.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2022 19:41 utc | 55

@12, @38. karlof1, thank you for your well reasoned points of view, thank you also for the links to your vk site. i've learned much from both, i have though one point wherein i have a different take, mine being more intuitive & less reasoned than yours, bt may be thought for consideration: i do not feel the russian response to the nord stream debacle off point in the slightest. as europe becomes ever colder, ever darker the people especially those remaining few with a degree of sense & self preservation will begin to behave exactly as the french (certainly the yellow vests) bt those with 2 paycheques & still not enough for food, heat or the rent, & begin to toss & mull about the town squares in a disgruntled, moody fever. russia, having a history of such crowds & their incipient power has (imho) left the winning card on the table. the answer to all your problems is in clear sight: all you have to do is insist on the reopening of your nord stream pipeline & your life can once again return to what it was last year & for those warm & toasty previous years. the talk about russia losing the propaganda war is like so much bullshit spun, russia knows propaganda & truth & how to wield both. the difference being russia does not distain people or our innate good sense bt values us & is playing very handily to it.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Oct 14 2022 19:46 utc | 56

rk, marko
I wonder where the problem lies? Is it with Shoigu or generals? Regiments? Corruption? Incompetence?
As I said before, since Russia is obviously unable to stop this it is just a matter of time before Ukraine take the war to Moscow.
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:46 utc | 25

Zanon, since you rk, and Marko are so CONCERNED about how Russia is prosecuting the war in Ukraine, against the Nato proxy military, I suggest all three of you volunteer to fight in the trenches. Even better, you should apply for top general of the Russian military so that you can Shepeard General Armageddon on the proper way to wage a war.
As for me, I think the future will be an eye opener for skeptics and pro-Ukrainians.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 14 2022 19:59 utc | 57

The new US National Security Strategy was released today; it has been amended to reflect the latest world developments.

I have prepared a small compilation of this document for you.

The US describes a rivalry primarily between two countries: China and Russia. However, it is clear to the US (and to you and me) that these rivals are not equal:

а) China is described as the "main strategic contender" of the next decade, a threat that aspires to redraw the world order and undermine the status of the US as a hegemon. China is to be dealt with primarily by undermining it from within: bringing to justice the genocide in Xinjiang, human rights violations in Tibet and Hong Kong, and controlling tensions in Taiwan.

b) Russia, on the other hand, is seen by the Americans as an aggressor. But an aggressor that is not dangerous, but, rather, "blind," that is, it does not fully understand what to do and how to do it. At the same time, the following is made clear concerning Russia:

- No one will have a dialogue with Putin; he has been written off.
- Support for Russia's enemies (Ukraine, Europe, etc.) will only grow.
- The US will not allow Russia (or any other country) to use nuclear weapons.
- The war in Ukraine has already lowered Russia's status in the eyes of India, China, and Japan.

In other words, concerning Russia, no peace talks are possible in principle under the current political leadership.

The main tasks of the US and allies globally under the new strategy are:

1. Investing in major instruments of US power and influence.
2. Building a strong coalition of nations.
3. Investing and modernizing the armed forces, taking into account all modern challenges: cyber warfare, intelligence, and terrorist threats.

The US sees investment in private companies, including those outside the States, as the main method of achieving its objectives. They are primarily interested in semiconductors, biotechnology, infrastructure, space, artificial intelligence, and missile technology. The second method is to attract quality personnel both from within the US and from other countries.

Separate paragraphs describe American actions in almost every region of the globe. There is nothing unusual about this; the US can afford it, as it is still the hegemon.

The bottom line:

The US, as in the past, plans to make a high-tech army unparalleled in the world by the 2030s through the use and development of the most modern technologies and approaches. And what is relevant to us, as citizens of the Russian Federation: they do not consider Russia as a rival in principle, but at most, for now, as an appendage of China with nuclear missiles.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 20:11 utc | 58

Where is Tom_UK?

Perhaps he is out collecting firewood for the cold winter ahead? Or is he too busy checking out his bankrupt pension scheme? His currency is now known as the Great British Peso! Any future posts will be done by candlelight. How romantic.

Posted by: Ivan | Oct 14 2022 20:17 utc | 59

Two, make that three, things to note. First is restating my view that the Ukraine army is sending a large percentage of its soldiers into combat with no steel ( or kevlar) helmets. This is as bad a crime and sin in the profession of arms as exists. I encourage all to look at the youtube videos (which I can't stand doing, sorry) and report on the percentage of soldiers without helmets. The incompetence and criminality of the Ukraine government, the most responsible agent for this, is made plain. The failure of the West's newsmedia, chattering or political classes, intelligentsia, all of them, to note this shows how worthless these are.
Second is winter warfare nowadays. It seems to me that drones + modern IR sensors + excellent communications in real time have revolutionized winter warfare. It seems to me that any fire soldiers make to stay warm, anytime they fire up a primus, they can be instantly located, targeted, and shelled to destruction. I don't know how good the new IR is in spotting soldiers against a snowy background, but I suspect that that's doable as well. All this would work day or night equally well. I think that the Russians have done their homework in this area, and will put some very serious hurt on the Ukraine army forces this winter with the new technology. I further suspect that combat patrolling done under drone/IR surveillance would become several times more effective. I suspect that Zelinsky's fear of the war lasting into winter comes from his being aware of this. That, and I suspect that the Ukraine army lacks winter gear, on account of incompetence, corruption/selling of it already, and the likelihood of the winter gear warehouses already being targeted and destroyed by the Russian forces. If anyone in reporterland wants a story, well here's one, but good luck in seeing it printed.
Third thing is to give B a good ration of abuse for deleting my comment on Queen Liz's passing. I brought up the Enquirer (and there are other sources) story of Charles and Camilla's Ozzie love child, back from when Camilla was a debutante who disappeared for a year. I encouraged anyone who could to get a used glass or cigarette butt from either of these two and send it off to the Ozzie, for DNA testing. Seems like a good idea to me. I have since found out that this Ozzie retired civil servant has an Aboriginal ancestry wife. Sheyitt, a British monarch with a broad ozzie accent who has an aboriginal wife. It'd be a hoot and a half, and hell, it might get folks over there thinking seriously for once about getting rid of the monarchy.
Anybody who knows more about winter warfare nowadays, I'd love to hear your pov, and would be most grateful as well.

Posted by: Daniel N. White | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 60

Please Don't feed the trolls. They're not housebroken, and will end up taking a dump on the bar.

Posted by: LastLaugh | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 61

“For every 1 Russian soldier or volunteer that’s wounded or killed in southern Ukraine, 5-6 Ukrainians are killed or wounded. And that ratio seems to be improving in favour of the Russian side every day.” Col. Douglas MacGregor.

Posted by: Krypton | Oct 14 2022 20:22 utc | 62

rk, marko
I wonder where the problem lies? Is it with Shoigu or generals? Regiments? Corruption? Incompetence?
As I said before, since Russia is obviously unable to stop this it is just a matter of time before Ukraine take the war to Moscow.
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:46 utc | 25

I think, Putin and his team are liberals in hart. Putin is a kind man. He is relatively old and is concerned about his legacy in world history. He is not ruthless as his western opponents.
He is maybe a christian in his hart.
On the other hand, there is a situation with army officers and others.
They seem to be uninterested and without initiative. (Except Wagner)

Today Putin said that there is no need for further bombing of Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
Clear sign of humanism.

He does not understand that there are only 2 ways to defeat Ukraine:
1. Nuclear option
2. Destroy Ukrainian energy infrastructure with FOAB 3000 bombs and create 4 - 10 mil. refugees that would flee to Germany.

The both options are extremely cruel and inhumane, the second one a bit less.
But what does Putin want? A victory or a nice place in history?

Posted by: Marko | Oct 14 2022 20:27 utc | 63

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 13 2022 20:36 utc | 105
«The Skripal Affair was beyond ridiculous (See my contemporaneous image and read the back label)»

The back label suggests "BZ" but I have a guess that matches most known details, especially the letter to "The Times" of the medical doctor, and the involvement of Yulia, what happened to their attic, and their disappearance: that Sergei and Yulia were making money by dealing in drugs (Sergei with his contacts with the mob, Yulia as courier), in particular fentanyl, and they mishandled the merchandised, got contaminated, and had a mild overdose of fentanyl.

«but I would suggest that the turning-point came earlier, with the muzzling and threatened reprisals against staff and owners of the Guardian over the publication of a smattering of the trove of information provided by Snowden»

But that was business-as-usual. just ordinary conflict between spooks and hacks, even if it was the first time the intimidation was done so publicly.

The Skripal case was I think the first time when the whole "official media" went along without even a slight insinuation of doubt about a whole sequence of ridiculous conspiracy theories. That led to the delirious conspiracy theories about Trump being Putin's puppet, and today's going along with the government's conspiracy theories about Putin attacking a russian pipeline, and the adoption of the narrative that the ruthenian fascist gangs are actually champions of democracy.

I also read recently in that "The Guardian" a spook/hack (hard to tell the difference...) arguing that hacks like him should only be allowed to publish stories approved by the NATO government:
«There have always been Alex Joneses spreading poison from the world’s soap boxes and pavements. As a boy I used to listen to them at Speakers’ Corner in Hyde Park. We would turn away with a grimace from their rubbish, while a couple of police stood by in case of trouble. Their lies never made it into newspapers or on to the airwaves. Free speech went only as far as the human voice could carry. Beyond that, “news” was mediated behind a wall of editors, censors and regulators, to keep it from gullible and dangerous ears. [...] But if freedom is to be protected and treasured, this means the US and Europe acting in concert. Regulation must burrow down into the global media platforms, “to bring out the best and curtail the worst”.»

I guess that to treasure freedom those “editors, censors and regulators” from the governments of “US and Europe” have to destroy it :-).

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 14 2022 20:28 utc | 64

Furthermore. Dima says that the situation in Kherson is critical.
Lets hoep he is wrong.

Posted by: Marko | Oct 14 2022 20:28 utc | 65

Nine Russian war correspondents and war correspondent projects risk being prosecuted for discrediting the Russian Armed Forces. They are Igor Strelkov, Semyon Pegov (WarGonzo), Yuri Podolyaka, Vladlen Tatarsky, Sergey Mardan, Igor Dimitriev, the authors of GreyZone, Rybar, and, suddenly, Kristina Potupchik. Content in their tg channels is already being analyzed for fakes, defamation, and other prohibited and punishable items.

According to our information, a request to Roskomnadzor to check the work of the above-mentioned authors has been signed personally by the Chief of the General Staff. On the part of the Prosecutor General's Office, the case is being led by the head of the department for oversight of the execution of the law on federal security, terrorism, extremism, and inter-ethnic relations. The reason is criticism of the Defence Ministry and its decisions in the course of the SAO.

How long the probe will last is not yet known. But if the corpus delicti is established and the guilt is proven, the military correspondents will either be fined or sentenced to up to three years in prison.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 20:29 utc | 66

Hardened NATO troops? You mean the ones that returned from Afghanistan and had killed their elderly villager in order to become A Real Man? NATO soldiers are mostly fighting obesity and drug addiction, well they are welcome in the Ukrainian killing fields. I don't believe anyone of them could even serve on your tug boat - but do you have any real connection with it - probably not if you are missing so much common sense...

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 14 2022 20:30 utc | 67

Evacuation of civilians from Kherson

Translation: ... A big increase of Russian air strikes, missiles, and long range artillery to pound Ukrainian / NATO forces is coming.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 14 2022 20:34 utc | 68

According to Amnesty International, Latvian border guards are torturing migrants (doesn't say from which countries but likely African because Russia has been giving visas to Africans since July to get to Russia and then go to Belarus) trying to cross the border from Belarus into their country to ask for international protection under EU asylum laws.

"Holding migrants and refugees in tents in undisclosed locations or leaving them stranded at the border without access to communication or safe alternatives to being continuously shuttled back and forth between Latvia and Belarus constitutes ‘secret detention’ and could amount to enforced disappearance."

Latvians have launched a coordinated attack on Amnesty International's Twitter account calling Amnesty, the very aligned with Western foreign policy NGO, a tool of Russian propaganda.

Posted by: passs | Oct 14 2022 20:36 utc | 69

Here's a thought experiment for B, Karl, scorpion and others:

An ultra top secret meeting is held between the heads of Russia, China and India and the representatives of the Satanic empire.

The cabal lays out their cards and plainly states that if they don't have a means of escape, then they have no future purpose and therefore will allow existing events to transpire unguided.

But, BUT, what if the trio were to abandon their utopian plans about credit finance being managed as a utility for public good?

What if instead they were to allow private banking to manage the creation of a new reserve system based in those allied countries? (Regardless of basis, hard commodities or simply "full faith and credit".)

In so doing, the cabal would not only guarantee that any risks of nuclear war would be eliminated, but also ensure the collapse of US/NATO, thereby ending any ongoing credible threats?

Put yourself in Putin's shoes: all risk eliminated, Russia guaranteed the premier spot in world affairs for the next 100-200+ years. What would you do? Take the bird in hand ...?

Note: We should assume these calculations are already being made. Everyone knows Russia has emerged victorious; the only risk is that of a deranged loser taking everyone down with them.

The smart money aka bankers aka satanic demons are obviously planning their exit strategy. They too would like to live to begin the cycle anew.

What evidence would discerning observers sense indicating these moves are being made?

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 20:52 utc | 70

Since February, the Russian engineers have had many months to plan and construct defensive fortifications in the Kherson region that should outmatch those of the Ukrs in the Donetsk region with the added complication of mud, flat exposed steppes from which they must attack.

As well, one can assume that the artillery preparation has been fine-tuned to the extent that the entire field of contact is a killing zone. The RF aviation should have a field day as well.

One hopes that the air defenses systems have been augmented to deal with missile and HIMARS attacks that would seem to be the most threatening Ukr mode of attack.

The prospect of annihilation for tanks, armored vehicles and ground troops will have a detrimental effect on Ukr morale.

Posted by: chet380 | Oct 14 2022 20:53 utc | 71

Marko @64

Good news! No need for concern whatsoforever. Just finished listening to Alexander Mercuris on the Duran site. He's extremely well informed and has a plethora of feeds from numerous individuals, some of them well connected.

So Mercuris took night unto 15 minutes of his time to discount the current propaganda campaign on the "looming fall of Kharson" to the UkiePukies. What had actually happened was that the governor of the Kherson Oblast evidently has almost zero sense of public relations when he made reference to "evacuation" of Kherson City. In fact, he pointed out, that evac was being offered to those who feared ongoing missile strikes by the Ukies on their city in a mode similar to their long-term assaults on Donetsk City.

So how many people took the guv up on his kind offer to the fearful? Three-hundred and fifty souls, within a city of scores of thousands. Thus, the fearful would amount to far less than 1% of the total population.

Some folks have become nervous nellies as they turn to boobtoob noose and other MainScream sources for their daily dose of "Hate Russia" propaganda. Those folks are getting a bit desperate as all Ukie offensives have been smashed at the same time as Russian forces have now penetrated into the core of Bakhmut/Artemovsk where some five BRIGADES of Ukies have been holing up while the allies sweep up more and more ground surrounding that now heavily besieged center for logistics and communications for the Ukies' forces in the Donbass.

In a matter of a week or two, it is likely that the now steady advances in central Donbass will finally free the suffering people of Donetsk City from any more artillery strikes from Adiievka and the rest of Ukraine's novo Maginot line of reinforced concrete fortifications. The fall of Bakhmut will ensure that outcome.

So Marko: No more need for concern. The Russians are on a roll, while the battered Ukies can only retreat in order to survive.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:06 utc | 72


Yeah, hardened...or is it hard-onned Nato troops when on leave in Kiev will find plenty of war-widows who will be happy to give them some comfort for a few hundred rapidly inflating Hyrnias.

The facts of war, particularly when it comes to those soy-boys who have led such soft and privileged lives that their libidos may not even still be sufficient to satisfy those hungry war-widows in Kiev.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:13 utc | 73

Russian army cannot protect Belgogrod and Donetskcity from shelling. I would have thought drones and satellites would identify the source?

Posted by: Ken B | Oct 14 2022 21:19 utc | 74

Part of my post #4 is missing ...

Israel’s Arrow 3 Anti-Ballistic Missile System Eyed For New European Air Defense Alliance

Posted by: Oui | Oct 14 2022 21:21 utc | 75

So Marko: No more need for concern. The Russians are on a roll, while the battered Ukies can only retreat in order to survive.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:06 utc | 71

lets hope.
But the prosecution of journalist by Russian army is a bad sign.

Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 21:21 utc | 76


So offer those Talmudists a nice, big chunk of northwestern Australia. They can easily afford to buy off the Aussie and Western Australian governments as well as the very few people who currently reside in that very arid, but semitropical area along the coast of the Indian Ocean.

Millions of Khazarians and fellow Talmudists would happily flock to a place where they could "make the desert bloom". Imagine monster tugboats hauling up immense freshwater icebergs from somewhat nearby Antarctica. The Larson ice-sheet is rapidly calving. So the key resource, fresh water, is available for those with the means and the will.

Granted, the Oilygarchs may need to hold fast in their new domains, perhaps for a hundred years or more, before they can once again emerge from their rats-nests to get back to their dreams and schemes of total world domination. So for them it would not be a matter of all or nothing, but a refuge where they could brood and breed and concoct more schemes to fulfill their ultimate aims.

In other words, the Samson Option would be obviated.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 77

There is definitely an information war going on within Russian circles

Vladislav Ugolny (@Zola_of_Renovation) writes in relation to the rumours of prosecution of certain war correspondents:

Subscribe to my channel and recommend it to your friends, colleagues and relatives.

Do it even if you don't like me. Especially if you don't like me. The more subscribers—the faster the "criminal case" will appear. Because I envy them: [Kristina] Potupchik has one against her, and I have none.

All kidding aside, the list is made up half of decent people and half—of scum (Dimitriev, Pegov, and Potupchik). This list has no logic whatsoever. Nor does the list have any proof of its own existence.

Very manipulative news, right down to "the cowardly Girkin has fled to the front to hide from answering for what he said that discredited the Russian army.”

Something very nasty is going on.
I am completely lost as to how this claim started, but, for clarity:

No one here, at Slavyangrad, or any of the sources that I am aware of is claiming that anyone in Russia is investigating our dear friend, partner, and exceptional journalist and author, Esha K.

If I have missed anything, or if anything like that was said, it is definitely a mistake.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 21:26 utc | 78

Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 21:21 utc | 75

Why are you spreading fakes produced by "Kyiv Independent" and then concerned about them?

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 21:33 utc | 79

aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 76

You are incredibly bad at this.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 14 2022 21:37 utc | 80

B9k9 @69--

To engage in such an act, Putin would have just lied to everyone he just finished speaking with in Astana, an act IMO he's incapable of because he values very highly his credibility and is honest and God fearing at heart. And he'd have lied to everyone else in his circle. Furthermore, he'd have betrayed Russia, something IMO he's utterly incapable of doing, and the same goes for Xi. I can't even see Modi doing something that immoral. Plus, on what grounds would any of them place any trust in serial pathological liars who never act in the interests of others?


Now, what I returned to this thread to post. Today's Strategic Culture editorial, "Clear and Present Danger… Made Totally in America", works on an interesting premise based on "A timely review article this week [that] recalls the warnings made by some of America’s finest political thinkers over the past 30 years."--"Western Experts Warned for Years that Adding Ukraine to NATO Was a Bad Idea". Sorta hard to dismiss those warnings as "Kremlin Propaganda."

IMO, the problem lies in the fact that those "political thinkers" were a minority despite their positions within government. I'm also of the opinion that well prior to their remarks a policy was formulated to attain and retain American Hegemonic Primacy to the point where it was finally announced as THE official policy goal in 1996 and restated again in 1999--not by George W. Bush's neocons but by WJ Clinton, Brezenski and Company, returning to the Path Truman and Eisenhower had launched--a path differing little from Hitler's.

At today's presser, no one asked Putin how Russia and the emerging Multipolar world plans to stop and overturn the Outlaw US Empire's hegemony and reign of lawlessness. Indeed, that question has never been asked of any of Russia's or China's leadership. Would they provide an answer if the question were asked? We certainly won't know until the question's posed. And I'll wager everyone reading this wants to hear an answer--even if the answer is vague because the exact plans can't be revealed. Recall Putin's vow? If you can't, here's a refresher, which I suggest get copied for future reference:

"It is in our historical tradition, in the fate of our people, to stop those who are striving for world domination, who threaten to dismember and enslave our Motherland, our Fatherland. We will do it now, and so it will be." [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 21:37 utc | 81

There is a new article by NATO-aligned, but realistic, swiss military analyst Jacques Baud:
«Vladimir Putin’s stated objectives of “demilitarisation” and “denazification” are not about gaining territory, but about destroying the threat to the Donbass. In other words, the Ukrainians are fighting for territory, while the Russians seek to destroy capabilities. [...]
In the belief that they are weakening Russia, our media are promoting the gradual disappearance of Ukrainian society. It seems like a paradox, but this is consistent with the way our leaders view Ukraine. They did not react to the massacres of Russian-speaking Ukrainian civilians in the Donbass between 2014 and 2022, nor do they mention Ukraine’s losses today. In fact, for our media and authorities, Ukrainians are a kind of “Untermenschen” whose life is only meant to satisfy the goals of our politicians.»

Which is what the "president" of Ukraine said himself, in a quite "official" article that I cannot understand why is not quoted more often:
«Mr [_]elensky divides NATO into five camps. First are those who "don‘t mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives".»

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 14 2022 21:38 utc | 82

unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 27

Moving the supply of gas to other channels is not as easy as writing the words. The problem is not a lack of customers it is how you get the gas to them.

Both the Power of Siberia 1 is a year off full capacity whilst Turkstream 1 is running at flat out. It will probably take 5 years to complete the PoS 2 pipeline and then more years to build up to full capacity. Less time to build Turkstream 2 to feed a TurkGasHub but still years.

Until then it looks liker Russia will be taking a big hit on volume but as long as prices remain high a much smaller hit on revenue.

Whilst NS2/B may become critical for Germany early next year it may be useful gas flow for Russia but may adversely impact its revenue if it causes gas prices to drop.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 14 2022 21:38 utc | 83

Daniel N. White | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 59

The Ukraine army are unlikely to freeze at any rate, Canada is reported to be sending them 500,000 winter uniforms. Canada is easily as cold as Ukraine in winter.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2022 21:43 utc | 84

Grunts @47. “Work smarter. Not harder”. Scrooge McDuck, to his nephews while doing laps in a pool filled w gold coins. It really may be this simple.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 14 2022 21:46 utc | 85

In other words, the Samson Option would be obviated.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 76


Hey, sorry for the omission.

Anyway, the new trio alliance can certainly create their own public banking utility, but there's this bothersome business about potential nuclear Armageddon lurking in the shadows with a resentful, discarded paramour.

Like re-insurance, the risk might almost be so negligible as to be difficult to measure, but in the off chance of occurrence, it's a below the waterline titanic event.

So, do you take the guarantee in hand? Consider the shifting orientation of media as well. Now all of a sudden youre the good guys, heroes to the world vs the defeated and discredited 'evil empire' (irony intentional).

(The new Nuremberg trials would take years to try, convict and punish the multitudes responsible for millions of deaths around the world.)

One has to wonder how many times this transitional phase has taken place (since antiquity?), with the Satanic emissaries presenting the same pitch, promosing the creation of a the new monetary standard by replacing the old, used up husk.

Just the last 800 years:


Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 21:46 utc | 86

YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2022 21:43 utc | 83

Quite how many will make it to the front line is an interesting question as they will be very saleable on the local black market as there will be a considerable demand from very cold civilians. Plus the even more lucrative Euro market via the army surplus stores serving the about to be freezing European population. Nice one Canada.

Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 14 2022 21:49 utc | 87

Russia is more than capable of winning the conventional war in Ukraine. The larger war, for all the marbles, is the geopolitical/economic war. You might also throw in the ideological tug of war. The West is committing "assisted suicide". Only time will tell how things shake out. At any rate, these are turbulent times.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 14 2022 21:54 utc | 88

Interesting times ahead.

In country 404. The life expectancy of all NATO trainers/USSA PMCs in country 404. Is now measured in days.

For country 404. The latest pitiful western media propaganda. Tells us the Russians are said to be abandoning the latest reunified state. Pathetic, as it ignores the major upgrading works ongoing in Kherson. Before winter comes.

Also ignores the first new batch of 100K plus troops. To replace the battle-weary first batch. Those who are all going back home for a well-deserved R&R. Lads going home are receiving a very warm hero's return welcome.

On the UK front. The new unelected PM "Fruit loop/nutter/bats in the belfry Liz". Has the popularity of stepping on dog poo on the footpath!

There appears to be confusion regarding the powers of a constitutional monarch King Charles 3. The reality is, he is nothing more than a puppet on a very tight binding string. At the beck and call of number 10. Ignorance sure is bliss.

On the RF western front. The arrival of the next batch of additional 100k troops. Due any day, now. Will switch from the defense mode to the offense. Before winter comes!

Amusingly, the lack of e-power in at least 70% of what remains of country 404. Has a remarkable effect on eliminating the 404 troll brigade.

On the bankrupt USSA side. A whining Musk. Or, he who is now the latest public enemy number one in 404. Was seen complaining about the heavy losses incurred. His warehouse of replacement stock demanded by 404. Is quite bare.

With heavy blowout costs. Now exceeding his current tax-free threshold. In providing Sattelite internet to country 404. On the home front. The 'prepaid' equipment wait times for the natives have blown out. The class action legal unstoppable hurricane winds are rising. Threatening to blow away his house of straw.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 14 2022 22:00 utc | 89

"It is in our historical tradition, in the fate of our people, to stop those who are striving for world domination, who threaten to dismember and enslave our Motherland, our Fatherland. We will do it now, and so it will be."

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 21:37 utc | 80


Oh brother, you might be a great thinker/writer (as I've noted before), but the naivete is bit too much.

I mean, for one, the very first criticism of VPP is that he was KGB. Period.the.end. Sure, he may have recenyly gotten religion, but how do you respond to the accusation that he's the richest of all of Russias oligarchs?

Every historically important leader makes/has made these types of positive, affirmative pronouncements and proclamations. It's what they do.

Rather than post a long and tiresome list of quotes, how about a quick roll call of players justifying their position as the one and correct path including Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, JFK, lennin, Stalin, Hitler and Churchill.

If you could engineer a new order with a guarantee of US/NATO stand down, history would judge you as a saint.

Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 22:06 utc | 90

Regarding d starlink satellites. I read somewhere that they also could be disabled remotely no need to destroy them. Maybe thats why Musk is pulling them from Ukraine? They are not military grade satellites after all.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 14 2022 22:10 utc | 91

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 76

er!!! um!!!. You are talking about the richest part of Australia. Where all our iron and gas comes from. It has been a very long time since we rode on the sheeps' back.

Posted by: watcher | Oct 14 2022 22:14 utc | 92

anon2020 @ 54

I count you as a barfly, not up in the peanut gallery.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 14 2022 22:17 utc | 93

anon2020 @ 54

The other purpose of the strikes on electrical systems was to stop/limit rail transport. Nearly all rail in Ukraine is electric. Heavy materiel goes by rail. Roads and trucks to move the heavy stuff without rail transport is not there. No way to perfectly shut that down without impacting civilians but they tried.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 14 2022 22:27 utc | 94

@ Comandante | 90

Regarding starlink satellites. I read somewhere that they also could be disabled remotely...

They are deployed in multiples or rings which cross. They can't be "pulled". They dynamically network and route. Basically, network access can be denied.

It seems to me likely that beyond their outward communication functions, they are additionally global signit network and may monitor and characterize many worldwide communications.

Posted by: JEN | Oct 14 2022 22:28 utc | 95

No more need for massive strikes on Ukraine – Putin

He is just afraid.

Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 17:52 utc | 28


Better to include it all:

There is currently no need for additional large-scale missile strikes on Ukrainian targets, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday.

During a press conference in Astana, Kazakhstan, he explained that the Russian military is now pursuing other objectives, as only seven of some 29 targets designated by Russia’s Defense Ministry were not hit in a bombardment earlier this week.

“But these objects are being finished off gradually. There is no need for major strikes, at least for now,” Putin said.

Doesn't sound like fear at all. Sounds like a warning.

Posted by: StriveToEnterIn | Oct 14 2022 22:37 utc | 96

«The Ukraine army are unlikely to freeze at any rate, Canada is reported to be sending them 500,000 winter uniforms.»

That is weird because the whole canadian army is tiny, so they don't need to stock 500,000 winter uniforms:
“As of 2022 the Canadian Army has 23,000 regular soldiers, and 19,000 reserve soldiers (including 5,300 members of the Canadian Rangers), for a total of 42,000 soldiers.”

Anyhow it is quite strange that the government of Ukraine, a country where hard winters happen every year, does not have stocks of winter uniforms, and needs as many as 500,000 from foreign sources.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 14 2022 22:39 utc | 97

76 lol i guess thats a play on actual history. there was a plan at one point to create another israel in western australia at one point, the Kimberly plan 1939. Western Australia supreme court has hebrew writing on its plaque to show who rules law there anyway so they got it on the sly .

Posted by: hankster | Oct 14 2022 22:40 utc | 98

Lots of talk, chatter and speculation going around, nothing new there. But, when the verbal dust settles, as ever Russia's position hardens and Ukraine's softens. Nothing new there either.
We all know how this will end. It's just a matter of (winter)time.

Posted by: Hal Duell | Oct 14 2022 22:42 utc | 99

>>Regarding starlink satellites. I read somewhere that they also could be disabled remotely...

They are deployed in multiples or rings which cross. They can't be "pulled". They dynamically network and route. Basically, network access can be denied.

It seems to me likely that beyond their outward communication functions, they are additionally global signit network and may monitor and characterize many worldwide communications.
Posted by: JEN | Oct 14 2022 22:28 utc | 94>>

Probably not. They operate at a particular frequency. Whereas the receiver design could be particularly broad in frequency and cover several (at least partially req'd for doppler), antennae design is typically frequency specific.

So it's not likely they can function in military eavesdropping because that activity is at a different frequency.

As for disabling, there will be a commercial ground station(s) somewhere. It won't be classified and won't have military guards. Relatively easy to walk in, shoot the operations staff late at night, and issue damaging commands on whatever uplink. Though it would take weeks or months to steal the documentation and study it to determine what commands would be damaging before you ever get started.

Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 14 2022 22:57 utc | 100

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