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October 14, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-173
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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So are the escalations going to remain verbal between non involvement Nato and Russia. Posted by: jpc | Oct 14 2022 16:07 utc | 1 Oct 14, 2022 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 14 2022 16:08 utc | 2
(*) ahem … decade long participation to kick Russian influence and investments out of Ukraine. The Azov Nazis have invaded the Outlaw US Empire and seized part of Stanford University where the Nazi Neocon Condoleezza Rice is located, RT reports:
I’m surprised the Woke student body didn’t drive them away. It started under Bush-Cheney to build a defense shield against “Iranian” ballistic missiles in a willing partner Romania. It grew … via Radoslaw Sikorsky of Poland. Q&A VVP with journalists. Posted by: Paco | Oct 14 2022 16:18 utc | 6 Meanwhile the fiasco over the “investigation” of the terrorist bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines reached a new level as RT reported:
Let me repeat this message, which seems to be the most important currently. Posted by: Tuk | Oct 14 2022 16:23 utc | 8 The problem of Russia and Putin is that they are trying to stay correct and to seek some kind of “justice” and to hope that the Western world would “realize” Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 16:28 utc | 9 It’s been nice knowing everyone here. Have a round on me! Posted by: dfg | Oct 14 2022 16:29 utc | 10 Don bacon you only pasted part of the story, why not paste this too? Posted by: Anon8888 | Oct 14 2022 16:32 utc | 11 Why would a government minister of construction order a military evacuation Mr Bacon? Posted by: Anon8888 | Oct 14 2022 16:37 utc | 12 Paco @5–
Do note what Pepe says about Indonesia further down his report while reminding yourself that it’s the largest Islamic nation as well as much of Africa. Tuk | Oct 14 2022 16:23 utc | 7 Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 14 2022 16:46 utc | 14 It appears that Girkin and other bloggers are under criminal investigation Posted by: Night Tripper | Oct 14 2022 16:47 utc | 15 There is no evacuation from Kherson city and suburbs. In the line of contact, there might not be civilians. Anyway, if Zelly wants, let them come from Nikolaev and other places. It is steppe. And it rains now. Its muddy and open, so let them come. Zelly is sending Ukrainian conscripts to a sure death. Just to give a slight chance to Biden to try to win the midterm elections. Well, that’s what a Jew would do. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 16:58 utc | 16 Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2022 16:41 utc | 12 Posted by: Paco | Oct 14 2022 16:59 utc | 17 Russia knows, who are the culprits of the NS1, NS2 sabotage. When time comes, Russia will take action. Right now, it helps Russia. Germany has to get gas from France and Poland, other than what comes from Norway. It’s not the time yet, as winter had not arrived yet. Russians can stand very cold winters, but can the Europeans, especially the Germans? Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 17:04 utc | 18 A Russian joke making the rounds. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 14 2022 17:09 utc | 19 Anyone who expects anything but weakness from the German regime should take a look at young Olaf in the GDR…….. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 14 2022 17:12 utc | 20 Haha, once again! Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:14 utc | 21 Yes, Belgorod hit once again, almost daily now. Substation fire was extinguished but schools were permanently closed. Must feel great to be defended by Shoigu and his gang. What’s next? Evacuation? Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2022 17:21 utc | 22 The “cloudiness” surrounding the NS1+2 sabotage speaks volumes to the citizenry of the the EU and the world. I suspect that when combined with the manufactured scarcity being inflicted on them, it represents a tipping point. If there was any doubt that the EU is manipulated by the US (and others) it has been erased. A French agency just published a piece depicting the USA as the major threat, though I cannot recall which one…. As far as the cheering and jeering on the part of the AFU and their dashing successes, all I can do is shake my head. Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 17:24 utc | 23 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:14 utc | 20
And fighting it only against the town of Belgorod … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 14 2022 17:27 utc | 24 Yes, Belgorod hit once again, almost daily now. Substation fire was extinguished but schools were permanently closed. Must feel great to be defended by Shoigu and his gang. What’s next? Evacuation? Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 17:41 utc | 25 rk, marko Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 17:46 utc | 26 20,21,23 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 27 Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 17:24 utc | 22 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 28 No more need for massive strikes on Ukraine – Putin Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 17:52 utc | 29 In regard to Ukraine taking the war to Moscow: are you guys just saying that to troll, and if not how on earth do you think that will happen? Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 17:52 utc | 30 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 27 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:52 utc | 31 Posted by: jo6pac | Oct 14 2022 17:53 utc | 32 @unimperitor: Good points about the significant collaboration in the energy sector. What can the USA and the vassals really do other than try to sabotage? Meanwhile their population grows restless. We are seeing how the sanctions are turning out to a form of boomerang foot-shooting. Russia and her allies must be looking on in amusement: “We can tell by your sabotaging that you really dont want our hydrocarbons. In case you do, time is limited. Meanwhile, we will be building the Eurasian World Island. For everyone’s sake, do try to stay out of the way. Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 18:00 utc | 33 Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 14 2022 18:00 utc | 32 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 18:16 utc | 34 This is a massive war, geniuses. Of course border sites in Russia will be hit on a regular basis as long as Ukraine has the means. Posted by: Comandante | Oct 14 2022 18:17 utc | 35 *and all the interchangeable alphabet soup groups and head choppers… Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 18:19 utc | 36 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 14 2022 17:09 utc | 18 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 14 2022 18:29 utc | 37 @2 Don Bacon Posted by: Dan Farrand | Oct 14 2022 18:42 utc | 38 12 Cont’d– It’s nice to watch how the UK is crumbling. There’s dumb Liz, and dumber king. Would the UK have enough cash to go through this winter season? Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 18:47 utc | 40 Most commentators here are fixated on the battlefield minutae. Posted by: Jacq | Oct 14 2022 18:56 utc | 41 Anon@11 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 18:57 utc | 42 aristodemos here: Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 19:00 utc | 43 This whole war is about whether or not the US Dollar will be half of every transaction on the planet, and if the impossible to pay “ever compounding interest” owed on every Dollar that exists can be used to claim ownership of natural resources of Russia. Posted by: Carl | Oct 14 2022 19:01 utc | 44 aristodemos II Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 19:04 utc | 45 George: Well, this is splendid, comradely news! Together, we’ll fight for Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Oct 14 2022 19:10 utc | 46 Putin said that no bigger bombings on Ukraine are needed Posted by: Abeille Flandres | Oct 14 2022 19:13 utc | 47
Well said. Just look at the Americans stealing oil from Syria, or the Bank of England refusing to return Venezuela’s gold. Or think of Libya’s vast gold reserves that have been unaccounted for since the NATO invasion of 2010/11. The Anglo-Saxons are attracted to material wealth to a degree that by far exceeds other societies. Trying to understand why this is the case, maybe some of you have a theory to offer. Posted by: grunzt | Oct 14 2022 19:17 utc | 48 jacq@40 + Carl@43 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 19:22 utc | 49
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/6867 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:23 utc | 50
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14231 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:30 utc | 51
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14241 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:33 utc | 52
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14243
Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:37 utc | 53
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14268 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 19:40 utc | 54 … Doubt anyone cares about that, peanut gallery here just wants the spectacle.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2022 19:41 utc | 55 @12, @38. karlof1, thank you for your well reasoned points of view, thank you also for the links to your vk site. i’ve learned much from both, i have though one point wherein i have a different take, mine being more intuitive & less reasoned than yours, bt may be thought for consideration: i do not feel the russian response to the nord stream debacle off point in the slightest. as europe becomes ever colder, ever darker the people especially those remaining few with a degree of sense & self preservation will begin to behave exactly as the french (certainly the yellow vests) bt those with 2 paycheques & still not enough for food, heat or the rent, & begin to toss & mull about the town squares in a disgruntled, moody fever. russia, having a history of such crowds & their incipient power has (imho) left the winning card on the table. the answer to all your problems is in clear sight: all you have to do is insist on the reopening of your nord stream pipeline & your life can once again return to what it was last year & for those warm & toasty previous years. the talk about russia losing the propaganda war is like so much bullshit spun, russia knows propaganda & truth & how to wield both. the difference being russia does not distain people or our innate good sense bt values us & is playing very handily to it. Posted by: emersonreturn | Oct 14 2022 19:46 utc | 56 rk, marko Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 14 2022 19:59 utc | 57
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14289 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 20:11 utc | 58 Where is Tom_UK? Posted by: Ivan | Oct 14 2022 20:17 utc | 59 Two, make that three, things to note. First is restating my view that the Ukraine army is sending a large percentage of its soldiers into combat with no steel ( or kevlar) helmets. This is as bad a crime and sin in the profession of arms as exists. I encourage all to look at the youtube videos (which I can’t stand doing, sorry) and report on the percentage of soldiers without helmets. The incompetence and criminality of the Ukraine government, the most responsible agent for this, is made plain. The failure of the West’s newsmedia, chattering or political classes, intelligentsia, all of them, to note this shows how worthless these are. Posted by: Daniel N. White | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 60 Please Don’t feed the trolls. They’re not housebroken, and will end up taking a dump on the bar. Posted by: LastLaugh | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 61 “For every 1 Russian soldier or volunteer that’s wounded or killed in southern Ukraine, 5-6 Ukrainians are killed or wounded. And that ratio seems to be improving in favour of the Russian side every day.” Col. Douglas MacGregor. Posted by: Krypton | Oct 14 2022 20:22 utc | 62 rk, marko Posted by: Marko | Oct 14 2022 20:27 utc | 63 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 13 2022 20:36 utc | 105 Posted by: Blissex | Oct 14 2022 20:28 utc | 64 Furthermore. Dima says that the situation in Kherson is critical. Posted by: Marko | Oct 14 2022 20:28 utc | 65
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14299 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 20:29 utc | 66 @46 Posted by: Anthony | Oct 14 2022 20:30 utc | 67 Evacuation of civilians from Kherson Posted by: Mummer | Oct 14 2022 20:34 utc | 68 According to Amnesty International, Latvian border guards are torturing migrants (doesn’t say from which countries but likely African because Russia has been giving visas to Africans since July to get to Russia and then go to Belarus) trying to cross the border from Belarus into their country to ask for international protection under EU asylum laws. Posted by: passs | Oct 14 2022 20:36 utc | 69 Here’s a thought experiment for B, Karl, scorpion and others: Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 20:52 utc | 70 Since February, the Russian engineers have had many months to plan and construct defensive fortifications in the Kherson region that should outmatch those of the Ukrs in the Donetsk region with the added complication of mud, flat exposed steppes from which they must attack. Posted by: chet380 | Oct 14 2022 20:53 utc | 71 Marko @64 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:06 utc | 72 Anthony@66 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:13 utc | 73 Russian army cannot protect Belgogrod and Donetskcity from shelling. I would have thought drones and satellites would identify the source? Posted by: Ken B | Oct 14 2022 21:19 utc | 74 Part of my post #4 is missing … So Marko: No more need for concern. The Russians are on a roll, while the battered Ukies can only retreat in order to survive. Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 21:21 utc | 76 B9K9@69 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 77 There is definitely an information war going on within Russian circles
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14305
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14307 Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 21:26 utc | 78 Posted by: marko | Oct 14 2022 21:21 utc | 75 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 21:33 utc | 79 aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 76 Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 14 2022 21:37 utc | 80 B9k9 @69– There is a new article by NATO-aligned, but realistic, swiss military analyst Jacques Baud: Posted by: Blissex | Oct 14 2022 21:38 utc | 82 unimperator | Oct 14 2022 17:50 utc | 27 Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 14 2022 21:38 utc | 83 Daniel N. White | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 59 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2022 21:43 utc | 84 Grunts @47. “Work smarter. Not harder”. Scrooge McDuck, to his nephews while doing laps in a pool filled w gold coins. It really may be this simple. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 14 2022 21:46 utc | 85 In other words, the Samson Option would be obviated. Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 21:46 utc | 86 YetAnotherAnon | Oct 14 2022 21:43 utc | 83 Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 14 2022 21:49 utc | 87 Russia is more than capable of winning the conventional war in Ukraine. The larger war, for all the marbles, is the geopolitical/economic war. You might also throw in the ideological tug of war. The West is committing “assisted suicide”. Only time will tell how things shake out. At any rate, these are turbulent times. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 14 2022 21:54 utc | 88 Interesting times ahead. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 14 2022 22:00 utc | 89 “It is in our historical tradition, in the fate of our people, to stop those who are striving for world domination, who threaten to dismember and enslave our Motherland, our Fatherland. We will do it now, and so it will be.” Posted by: B9k9 | Oct 14 2022 22:06 utc | 90 Regarding d starlink satellites. I read somewhere that they also could be disabled remotely no need to destroy them. Maybe thats why Musk is pulling them from Ukraine? They are not military grade satellites after all. Posted by: Comandante | Oct 14 2022 22:10 utc | 91 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 21:23 utc | 76 Posted by: watcher | Oct 14 2022 22:14 utc | 92 anon2020 @ 54 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 14 2022 22:17 utc | 93 anon2020 @ 54 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 14 2022 22:27 utc | 94 @ Comandante | 90 Posted by: JEN | Oct 14 2022 22:28 utc | 95 No more need for massive strikes on Ukraine – Putin
Doesn’t sound like fear at all. Sounds like a warning. Posted by: StriveToEnterIn | Oct 14 2022 22:37 utc | 96 «The Ukraine army are unlikely to freeze at any rate, Canada is reported to be sending them 500,000 winter uniforms.» Posted by: Blissex | Oct 14 2022 22:39 utc | 97 76 lol i guess thats a play on actual history. there was a plan at one point to create another israel in western australia at one point, the Kimberly plan 1939. Western Australia supreme court has hebrew writing on its plaque to show who rules law there anyway so they got it on the sly . Posted by: hankster | Oct 14 2022 22:40 utc | 98 Lots of talk, chatter and speculation going around, nothing new there. But, when the verbal dust settles, as ever Russia’s position hardens and Ukraine’s softens. Nothing new there either. Posted by: Hal Duell | Oct 14 2022 22:42 utc | 99 >>Regarding starlink satellites. I read somewhere that they also could be disabled remotely… Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 14 2022 22:57 utc | 100 |
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