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October 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-172
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michaelj72@212
As for His Pomposity and his Twitterverse fans; I’m a bit skeptical about those numbers. Granted, there are numerous brain-dead Amerikkkans after generations of deliberately dumbing down in educational institutions, also degenerations of boobtoob noose addicts and now the mess of gamer wankers with little motivation beyond their particular addiction. However, these numbers scream out that something is “Rotten in Denmark” as per Shakespeare’s ‘Hamlet’.
Point is, Twitter is part of the social media nexus with the intel agencies. Would it be terribly difficult for their paid posters and bots to ramp up those numbers, utilizing fake I.D.’s and such, thus achieving that huge “following”? I’m asking, not telling, so if someone here more versed on technicollegy than myself wishes to share some deeper insights, I’m all for that.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 15:19 utc | 301
From Slavyangrad…..
The Russian Army is starting an offensive match. Northern direction. Very soon. Less than two weeks. The exact date and area will be published exclusively on my channel a little later.
2) The transfer of military units to Belorussia has begun. The counter-terrorist operation in Belarus will be carried over to the Kiev direction as well. Less than two weeks to go.
3) Nikolayev region: The Ukrainian Armed Forces report from the ground that they have begun to redeploy forces from the Nikolayev region to the border with Belarus.
Allied deployments just north of Kiev finally forced the Ukies to call off the Nikolayev offensive and shift their forces north to the Belarussian Border. Looks like attrition is finally taking effect.
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 14 2022 15:24 utc | 302
NATO member Turkey playing host to a distribution hub for Russian gas poses quite the predicament.
Posted by: chunga | Oct 14 2022 15:26 utc | 303
downsouth@226
We will know that Ukraine has begun to recover its Slavic soul when their regular forces who feel compelled to either surrender or retreat, but are blocked by the Right Sektor murderer enforcers, will decide to turn on their real tormentors and smash those UkroNazis to a bloody pulp.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 15:33 utc | 304
303 – It does. I suspect the US/EU would like to get rid of Erdoğan. I am a bit torn on this as I detest him myself.
Posted by: Waldorf | Oct 14 2022 15:38 utc | 305
… “Musk claimed that his company had provided a free service to Ukraine to the tune of $80 million.”
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 14 2022 14:32 utc | 291
Man, that’s, like, real money, poor guy =)
Musk and Starlink are both pseudo-enterprises in the same Umbrella Corporation investment portfolio as the DoD’s Ukrainian biowar snuff laboratories – as demonstrated by the fact that Musk doesn’t say shit about any of that heinous filth.
Still, the fact that Starlink’s instrumental in facilitating a war whose very intent seems to be to kill, indebt and dispossess must be some consolation, right?
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2022 15:39 utc | 306
Another day of target rich environment and mass concentration strikes. Note also the weapon warehouse in Lvov area.
⚡️ (http://t.me/SLG_MAPS/207)Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (October 14, 2022)⚡️
◽️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
💥An arsenal was hit by high-precision, long-range sea-based weapons in Brody (Lvov region), where significant stockpiles of weapons, military equipment and munition from Western countries was delivered and stored.
💥Military command and energy facilities have been hit by high-precision weapons used by the Russian Air Force in Kiev and Kharkov regions.
💥The enemy made three unsuccessful attempts to attack Russian positions towards Kupyansk. Russian artillery fire halted and eliminated the advancing AFU units on the far approaches. Over 30 Ukrainian personnel, 2 armoured combat vehicles and 4 pickup trucks have been eliminated.
💥AFU units attempted to conduct combat reconnaissance along the entire line of contact towards Krasnoliman. Russian troops, supported by artillery, inflicted fire on the enemy. The remnants of the Ukrainian units are pushed back to their departure ares. More than 120 Ukrainian servicemen, 5 armoured fighting vehicles, 4 pickup trucks and 4 vehicles have been eliminated.
💥While pursuing retreating AFU units, Russian troops seized dominant heights near Vremevka (Donetsk People’s Republic). More than 90 Ukrainian servicemen, 2 tanks, 6 armoured fighting vehicles and 3 pickups have been eliminated.
💥The enemy launched a number of unsuccessful attacks towards Nikolaev-Krivorozhsk neaR Dudchany, Pyatikhatki and Ischenko (Kherson region). All the attacks have been successfully repelled by Russian forces. More than 130 Ukrainian servicemen, 3 tanks, 11 armoured fighting vehicles and 7 vehicles have been eliminated by shelling.
💥Bases of units of the 59th AFU Mechanised Infantry Brigade and the Foreign Legion mercenary formation have been hit by Russian air force missile strikes near Nikolaev. The enemy losses were over 170 servicemen and fighters, 4 armoured combat vehicles, 3 pickup trucks and 6 vehicles.
✈️ Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised 2 AFU command posts, 63 artillery units at their firing positions, 156 manpower and military equipment concentration areas.
💥6 munition depots have been destroyed near Kupyansk (Kharkov region), Krasnoye, Novosyolovka Pyervaya (Donetsk region), Gulyaypole (Zaporozhye region), Kalinovka and Novoaleksandrovka (Nikolaev region).
✈️ An Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force has been shot down by tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces near Bereznegovatoye (Nikolayev region).
💥 15 unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot by air defence forces shot down near Novaya Tarasovka (Kharkov region), Poltava, Sofiyevka (Lugansk People’s Republic), Petrovskoye, Staromayorskoye, Nikolskoye and Kodema (Donetsk People’s Republic), Energodar (Zaporozhye region), Respublikanets, Dmitrenko, Tomarino, Chaykino and Chkalovo (Kherson region), Tavricheskoye (Dnepropetrovsk region). 14 shells of HIMARS and Olha multiple-launch rocket systems have been destroyed near Tomarino, Otradokamenka, Novaya Kakhovka, Verovka and Vesyoloye (Kherson region).
📊 In total, 322 airplanes and 161 helicopters, 2,226 unmanned aerial vehicles, 380 air defence missile systems, 5,753 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 869 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 3,473 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 6,560 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed during the special military operation.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 15:39 utc | 307
downsouth@226
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 15:33 utc | 304
… blocked by the Right Sektor murderer enforcers, will decide to turn on their real tormentors and smash those UkroNazis to a bloody pulp.
This will only happen when they are more terrified of TOS-2 than they are of the Khazar enforcers.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 14 2022 15:39 utc | 308
@Tom Pfotzer | Oct 14 2022 0:31 utc | 174
Despite Europe’s vassals toeing US’s line so far, Putin seems to want to rescue Europe’s from economic catastrophe by offering cheap gas and continues to supply other precious commodities. Perhaps at heart, Putin is a European intergrationist. It’s only after the open declaration of Nato’s objective vis a vis Ukraine that Russia turns its displomacy in earnest to the global South and the non-Western world.
Posted by: Bodim.M | Oct 14 2022 15:40 utc | 309
@Roger #153
Agreed.
I would quibble on just how the “Baltic skew” (i.e. young people leaving for work out of country) applies to rural Ukraine vs. the cities, but otherwise your reasoning is very much in line with my view.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 14 2022 15:41 utc | 310
zanon@245
Why are you so obsessed with Ukie pinpricks upon Mama Bear? Is this nonsense how you earn your living?
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 15:44 utc | 311
@ unimperator | Oct 14 2022 15:39 utc | 307
Oh, god, look at those numbers. That’s horrible. Those poor Ukrainians.
The West is sending their tools to be pointlessly slaughtered. “Great Satan” indeed.
Posted by: dfg | Oct 14 2022 15:47 utc | 312
Some of you may wonder what happened to the results of the NS1+NS2, the gas pipelines from Russia to Germany, investigations: they are now top secret. Even Germany does not get to see the results. Of course, nothing more can be done.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-schweden-laesst-zusammenarbeit-bei-pipeline-ermittlungen-platzen-a-490b359c-1508-458a-bb57-954e4ce11050
Now one could say that also Denmark investigates. But also Denmark does not want to give out investigation results:
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/nordstream-pipelines-ermittlungen-101.html
Could it be, just a tiny bit, that the results of the investigation have unwanted results?
Posted by: Tuk | Oct 14 2022 15:48 utc | 313
Posted by: Australian lady | Oct 14 2022 2:54 utc | 193
You are mistaken; most slavedealers in Ottoman times were Jews and Turks, and let us forget this business of Greeks and Italian. I will go so far as to say almost none were Greeks. Very few were Italian, and were from Genoa and Pisa making filthy lucre from selling those Roxelanas.
As for history from the Turkish series you mention? Sorry, romanticised “ whitewashing.”
Turkish women never had power and still don’t . The only power you refer to was “bedroom power “ and yes Top Consorts of Sultans did have that , and almost all were formerly Christian (read Greek ,Armenian,Georgian /Russian sex- slave girls) . Nothing changes, Ukrainian /Russian women are still gorgeous to this day.
Apart from that I like most of your comments here .
Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 14 2022 15:50 utc | 314
downsouth@254
Should the Ukies be sufficiently stoopid to launch an all-out assault upon Kherson, we will witness a latter-day replay of the fate of the German 6th Army at a city then called Stalingrad. That would be the Puppet Regime’s last hurrah, as they are rapidly running out of everything save for still-warm conscript bodies.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 15:50 utc | 315
@Tom Pfotzer #174
I firmly believe that Russia would crush the EU/NATO in any short term confrontation, but I also firmly believe that Russia would lose in a full-out industrial war eventually.
As such, the Russian strategy is transparently obvious:
Don’t declare war despite the pokings and proddings of Western leaders, because the people in the West largely differ in their views.
Do allow the Western elites to be visibly (by their own bloviation) responsible for the economic hardships arising from Western dumbshit economic sanctions and economic policies.
Do continue to demonstrate, in a controllable and small scale fashion, just how (in)effective Western arms really are. The trickle of Wunderwaffe does nothing but underscore just how few cattle are behind the Big Hat of Western military prowess much less the reality that Western military industry is in a just plain sad state.
Do continue to reach out to the entire Rest Of World outside the West: create new and grow existing relationships to trade Russian energy, food, fertilizer and metals for the things Russia doesn’t have. Build on the foundation of mistrust of colonial powers and their ongoing economic feudal actions against the 2nd and 3rd world.
Do use the ongoing Western economic idiocy to reverse post-Soviet de-industrialization – and more importantly – despair and devolution of Russia as a nation and a people.
This isn’t about taking down the West per se – this is about building up Russia.
The West can take itself down just fine.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 14 2022 15:51 utc | 316
Kwasi Kwarteng is gone. Maybe Truss would go after him? And take UK down too?
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 15:52 utc | 317
John Bolton: The ultimate US goal should be to remove Putin from power through regime change or targeted assassination
Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2022 15:16 utc | 299
OPEC+ disobedience is a bigger salvo than anything RF has fired off in Ukraine. Bolton might be trying to scare Putin away from the G20 meeting, who knows what new friends Putin might make after a private chat.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2022 15:52 utc | 318
@Tom Pfotzer
Russia needs it’s money to have value, it also wants to create cracks in Nato. Those large protests in Europe might bring some of the west down from within.
Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 14 2022 15:53 utc | 319
@petergrfstrm | Oct 14 2022 7:59 utc | 224
You are absolutely right that Chiang Kai-Shek is a much more complex figure than just Washington’s Cold War pawn to stem the spread of communism after the devastating blow of losing China to Mao’s CPC. Although he converted to Christianity upon marrying his second wife, one of the famous Soong sisters, daughters of a wealthy Methodist minister, he was early on influenced by an ascetic warrior code of Bushido having studied at a military academy in Japan. His embrace of a far-right nationalism along with a messianic belief that he was destined to be the man to unite China, made him into a willing tool of the West. After the death of Sun Yat-Sen, he took control of the KMT, ousted the Commies in a coup and turned the organization into a drug cartel. Thereafter, using the profits from the opium trade to fund his war machine. When the KMT was routed by Mao, the US protected his retreat to Taiwan. However, the spice kept flowing, as the operation was transferred to the Golden Triangle with CIA backing.
Posted by: Jun | Oct 14 2022 15:53 utc | 320
This isn’t about taking down the West per se – this is about building up Russia.
The West can take itself down just fine.
c1ue @ 316
Exactly!
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 15:58 utc | 321
anon2020 | Oct 14 2022 15:52 utc | 319
Probably a bad idea to go anyway. It’ll be a circus since Zely is going too.
Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2022 16:04 utc | 322
@Paulg | Oct 14 2022 15:52 utc | 318
Kwasi Kwarteng is gone. Maybe Truss would go after him? And take UK down too?
Thanks for the Info. Alexander Mercouris predicted this yesterday and calls it a plot to install the deep state favourite Keir Starmer.
Regime change plot in UK. Dark times ahead
Regime change is coming home…
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2022 16:06 utc | 323
Repub of Scotland @285
Robert Kennedy Jr’s Children’s Health site just yesterday posted that there is much apprehension in medical circles that because of the shedding now known to emanate from those who received the “wrong” jab over Covid fears who have donated blood, have, in effect, contaminated the blood-supply.
It appears that the “shedding” factor indicates that some of the nasties included in a portion of the vaccines can be transmitted through the blood of the Jab-ber-Wokies.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 16:10 utc | 324
@ anon2020 | Oct 14 2022 15:52 utc | 319
Putin is an asset to his regime and shouldn’t risk attending G20.
In contrast, Western regimes probably recognize their figureheads as interchangeable, expendable, and hence not even at risk. Their worthlessness grants them invulnerability.
Posted by: dfg | Oct 14 2022 16:10 utc | 325
ctue@317
Astute and acute prognostication. Yes, the Russians appear to connect with the I-Ching, by adopting the middle course. We are aware that V.V. Putin himself is a martial arts adept. He may not be alone in those skills, as Russian policy does appear to allow their opponent enough time and space to destroy themselves via hubris and over-reach.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 16:30 utc | 326
Norskie@324
In a combination of musical chairs and card-shuffling, the financier elite who pull the strings and call the shots are revealing themselves as a bit bedizened by the unanticipated sophistication of the immovable object, the Russian state and its people.
So they rearrange their puppet leadership in country after country, while watching their economic chokehold losing its grip and contemplating the reality that militarily their puppets have taken on the new Big Dog (a Mama Bear in disguise) and that their “Best laid plans go oft agley and leave us naught but grief and toil for promised joy” (Bobby Burns).
Is it possible that the Russian Federation, with backing from China, Iran and other emerging powers have maneuvered the practitioners of a 2,500 year world domination scheme by the Babylonian Talmudists into a looming checkmate?
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 16:40 utc | 327
Is it possible that the Russian Federation, with backing from China, Iran and other emerging powers have maneuvered the practitioners of a 2,500 year world domination scheme by the Babylonian Talmudists into a looming checkmate?
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 14 2022 16:40 utc | 328
The 64,000$ question, eh?
It certainly looks like the Eurasian Alliance is running rings around the West. However, since Western elites are also gunning for a collapse and presumably have plans on what to do going forward after they effect it, it remains to be seen whether or not they are going to be the ones forced to surrender and eat dirt or the people they habitually exploit, aka ‘us!’
@JulianJ 232
Thank-you for updating me 🙂 I hope it is helpful.
@Hankster 201
My pleasure!
@William Gruff 281
The longest that any group has survived in a quasi-closed life support system (even with cheating) was less than two years, despite massive investment. See e.g. Biosphere 2 at Wikipedia. Which is why it is very unlikely that a Mars vivarium, or even the absolutely insane billionaire bunkers (imagine an underground golf course in a bunker protected by guards wearing explosive necklaces to prevent post-apocalyptic rebellions against the owner and you begin to get the idea) provide a reasonable expectation that any humans will survive a general extinction event, whether instantiated by humans (e.g. thermonuclear war, global heating) or nature (e.g. active supervolcanoes, moderate asteroid strike, local supernova).
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 14 2022 17:53 utc | 329
A small population in a confined space can survive provided it is functioning in a very primitive, limited matter: eg, in caves that had no obvious connections to the outside world before they were “discovered”, small ecosystems of tiny spiders have been found. A small human community with relatively strong boundaries would collapse because of illness (something nastier than SARS CoV2, but there’s lots to choose from) and over time, inbreeding would be a problem too. But most probably, they would kill each other off, with some raping and cannibalism on the way. That’s why a colony on Mars would only survive if it would very quickly grow to more than a couple of hudred people (I estimate) and the ability to explore and expand spatially. Also, nobody knows if people can survive outside our complex total ecosystem (nobody ever tested if the world can exist without centipedes of oaks or moulds or…and this is not as trite as it may sound at first).
Our world is strong as a granite mountain and yet vulnerable as a crystal ball. That’s why no one should post on any blog before thinking over the consequences of a nuclear war. And NATO being what it is, that’s why I personally hope Russia prevails and peace returns to Europe and all of our world, but we should be very afraid of the countries that fire-bombed Dresden and annihilated some Japanese population centers- they never promised not to repeat that…
Posted by: Anthony | Oct 14 2022 18:51 utc | 330
@karlof1 158
Couldn’t agree more, but it is worth noting that Roosevelt was promising Churchill to support Britain, while running on an isolationist platform simultaneously forcing a war on Japan.
Roosevelt and Truman both conspired with Churchill on plans to attack Russia even before VE day, including both versions of “Operation Unthinkable“, the first of which delayed the end of the war when Stalin ordered Russian forces in Germany to retreat, to form defensive lines on the Order, to protect against the planned joint Anglo-American-German assault, signalling to London and Washington that their treachery was known.
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 14 2022 19:16 utc | 331
@karlof1
For “Order” please read “Oder”, which is what I wrote before Google “korected” it.
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 14 2022 19:19 utc | 332
Elon Musk is mostly trying to cover this. The Russians have interest that ukies can’t connect with Starlink, and they will start disabling it one way or the other, otherwise.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 14:25 utc | 290
This is a more believable scenario. That Musk is always front and centre in US financial and Political shenanigans tell us all we need to know about him. Whether he is actually intelligent or not is moot as he is not acting of his own volition.
Posted by: K | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 333
Mars will never be colonised, at least not by genetically normal human beings. With one third earth normal gravity, bones and other organs will start to dissolve after a few years.
Posted by: DueWest | Oct 14 2022 21:47 utc | 334
Waldorf | Oct 14 2022 15:38 utc | 306
“……US/EU would like to get rid of Erdoğan.
The US attempted an assassination by shooting down his plane in 2016.
Russian intel knew.
Putin called him direct.
His life was saved by 10 minutes.
He’s been a bit partial to Putin since.
But Putin knows he’s a snake…
c1ue | Oct 14 2022 15:51 utc | 317
Borrell’s comment that EUrope is a “garden” and the Rest of the World a “jungle” was picked up by Zakharova..she made a good meal of it.
“Jungle” to the 50 odd African countries subliminally suggesting ….monkeys and apes….
Another round to Russia.
K | Oct 14 2022 20:21 utc | 334
Musk is Bill Gates for ai.
Bill was the front for personal computing and ensuring MS dominated. People now forget the media hype of a young Bill and his “genius”.
Musk is the newer, not Boomer version. Promising the stars….delivering bio-servitude.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 23:45 utc | 335
Posted by: Boo | Oct 14 2022 13:10 utc | 275
Boo, may you find solace reading this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova
(hint: no Russians were harmed in the founding of this land)
The name Moldova is derived from the Moldova River (German: Moldau); the valley of this river served as a political centre at the time of the foundation of the Principality of Moldavia in 1359.[23] The origin of the name of the river remains unclear. According to a legend recounted by Moldavian chroniclers Dimitrie Cantemir and Grigore Ureche, Prince Dragoș named the river after hunting an aurochs: following the chase, the prince’s exhausted hound Molda (Seva) drowned in the river. The dog’s name, given to the river, extended to the Principality
Again, Moldova is Romanian ancestral land, Russia grabbing it from the Turk doesn’t make it Rus.
Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Oct 15 2022 5:19 utc | 336
Bye bye Liz we hardly knew you. Those whom the Gods would politically destroy, they would first drive mad enough to fund and arm the neonazi regime of a genocidal homosexual war criminal.
Posted by: ptownpt | Oct 15 2022 14:31 utc | 337
Scott Ritter interview re Germany and Ukraine. Blunt truths.
https://de.rt.com/kurzclips/video/151682-scott-ritter-deutschland-steht-auf/
In English with German subtitles.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 16 2022 16:12 utc | 338