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October 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-172

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

Please stick to the topic.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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195 Thanks hermit i wasnt aware of twains work . I will delve.
Greanville post . Awesome as i used to get the emails and can now refind the valuable site.
Cia Hollywood propaganda. Didnt think itd take much wondering why tv movies have changed.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/01/10/the-pentagon-and-cia-have-shaped-thousands-of-hollywood-movies-into-super-effective-propaganda/
Cia writes scripts themselves if you are lazy and devoid of a story. But they are not going to let the chance of narrative management go by. The new fangled word is stakeholders.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 14 2022 4:37 utc | 201

PUTIN THE MAN: The GREEN energy FAN, has done MORE than almost EVERY single human in history to SAVE earth, SPEEDING the end of the fossil fuel era..by “INVADING” Ukraine, pushing EU countries scrambling for DESPERATE energy-saving measures – NOT an opinion piece, and NOT the ONION – it’s all according to US, German-owned media company Politico.
As while Zelensky is busy appearing BRAVELY in front of GREEN SCREENS, Putin is named the most INFLUENTIAL person in POLITICO’s Green 28 (ranking influencers of EU’s green policies), with Secretary General of UN’s World Meteorological Organization going as far as saying “From a climate perspective, the war in Ukraine may be seen as a blessing,”🤭

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/6805

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 5:05 utc | 202

@ aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 17:01 utc | 26
thanks aristodemos.. i’m in canada and don’t have a clear idea of what is what in the usa, or much of anything about this mcgregor dude… hard to know what it will take to change things in the usa, but i wish you and the fellow americans all the best sorting that out… we can’t seem to figure it out here in canada either… we have a bunch of warmongers and windbags that seem to be calling the shots, or following orders from south of the border too… group think… cheers and thanks for your posts..

Posted by: james | Oct 14 2022 5:07 utc | 203

Ukrainian Reserves at Artyomovsk (Bakhmut)
The reserves the Ukrainian Armed Forces has rushed to Bakhmut turned out to be so fresh that they had to be trained “on the fly.” An improvised base and firing range was set up at a fishing pier near Stake 8 (in the village of Khromovo), on the south-western outskirts of Artemovsk. The level of preparedness of the enemy reinforcements leaves much to be desired.
The Ukrainian forces operating near Bakhmut today:
The 58th Separate Mechanized Brigade, named after Hetman Ivan Vygovskiy (from Konotop, in the Sumy region) was once considered to be the most combat-ready unit of the AFU. The unit has deserted almost in its entirety.
The 125th “Lvovskaya” Territorial Defence Brigade has been exsanguinated, reserves to replenish are now being trained on accelerated schedule in fortified areas outside the city.
The 26th Separate Artillery Brigade (from Berdichev), part of the 8th Ukrainian Army, is understaffed by 60%.
The 25th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade (from Novomoskovsk) was crushed near Novobakhmutovka and has been re-staffed with reservists.
The 79th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade (from Nikolaev) was crushed at Soledar, suffering up to 80% casualties, and has been re-staffed with mercenaries from Poland, Romania, Britain, and the USA.
The 81st Separate Airborne Assault Brigade (from Druzhkovka) is now the most combat-ready Ukrainian unit of all of those listed above. It was battered by Russian Armed Forces’ strikes on the settlement of Nikolayevka. It participated in fighting near Krasny Liman.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14098

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 5:10 utc | 204

“Rather than attack the Ukrainian army on the flat fields of the Kherson bridgehead, let’s evacuate the civilians from Kherson city, and let the Ukrainians capture the city and THEN we will bomb them after they take refuge and hide in the buildings”.
“Genius! And as usual, anyone on a message board who disagrees is trolling”.

Posted by: Simon | Oct 14 2022 5:15 utc | 205

Posted by: Australian lady | Oct 14 2022 2:54 utc | 193
That Turkish soap was also very popular in Russia.

Posted by: Peter Williams | Oct 14 2022 5:43 utc | 206

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 21:52 utc | 130
At the head of this dictatorship was installed a Korean figurehead who had been groomed in the US for many years to take over (don’t tell me you never noticed how the colonial viceroys the US always installs around the world have been kept in storage at Harvard or George Washington University awaiting their chances to be America’s pet dictators in their homelands).
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Indeed, it is a cozy little family. Syngman Rhee of ROK and Chiang Kai-Shek of Taiwan founded Asian Peoples’ Anti-Communist League. If you ever wondered where all the crazy Natzos went after WW2, this is your answer. In fact, Chiang Kai-Shek’s son literally was in the Wehrmacht. In 1966, the organization morphed into World Anti-Communist League merging with Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN). ABN was headed by Yaroslav Stetsko, who was picked by Bandera to be one of the top henchmen of the newly formed Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.

Posted by: Jun | Oct 14 2022 5:43 utc | 207

Posted by: Simon | Oct 14 2022 5:15 utc | 204

“Genius! And as usual, anyone on a message board who disagrees is trolling”.

I’ll be a good sport and disagree. How about this:

“We’re too scared to attack the Ukrainian army on the flat fields of the Kherson bridgehead, let’s evacuate the civilians from Kherson city, pack up all our shit and let the Ukrainians capture the city and we’ll all flee back to mother Russia where there’s warm borscht and vodka”

Does this look like more of a balanced view to you?
Does this forum sound more or less an echo chamber?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 14 2022 6:01 utc | 208

@SeanAU | Oct 14 2022 0:29 utc | 172

NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg: NATO condemns the “terrible and indiscriminate attacks” on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine.
Let’s remind Stoltenberg what and how NATO behaved in Yugoslavia 1999
see good ref video via telegram /azmilitary11/24279

He will already know, Stoltenberg speaks the Serbo-Croatian language.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2022 6:01 utc | 209

A guy labelling himself “AussieCossack” is fronting a national protest calling for Australian neutrality towards the Russia|Ukrainian war.
FYIO Protests:
MARCH FOR AUSTRALIAN NEUTRALITY SATURDAY 22.10.22
✅Brisbane City Hall 12PM
✅Sydney Town Hall 2PM
✅Adelaide Parliament 12PM
✅Melbourne Parliament 12PM
✅Perth Parliament 2PM
✅Gold Coast Convoy to Brisbane leaving 10AM from Southport Community Centre Park
I don’t know anything about this guy and his background.
Or who is behind the scenes organising and financing.
At face value. ….Australian neutrality is something I agree with..
(But I’m cautious until I know more about the who and what of this campaign)
https://t.me/AussieCossack/3477
More vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZDgikb3RI

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 6:05 utc | 210

@Piotr Berman | Oct 14 2022 4:21 utc | 199

Quisling perhaps got a good deal for his people under the circumstances.

He was executed October 24, 1945.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2022 6:11 utc | 211

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 6:05 utc | 209
He’ll shortly end up on the famous NAZI kill list …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 14 2022 6:28 utc | 212

fye
big words from a little man
and this moronic neo-con has 1.4 million followers
https://twitter.com/mikepompeo/status/1579845493986762752
Mike Pompeo @mikepompeo
You know how we can convince Vladimir Putin to withdraw from Ukraine?
Give the Ukrainians the weapons they need to win.
9:44 AM · Oct 11, 2022
6,731 Retweets 2,411 Quote Tweets 55.2K Likes

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 14 2022 6:37 utc | 213

It’s interesting that few countries in the EU/NATO calls themselves as democratic, even though they have kings and queens. Sure, they say that the prime minister and the parliament runs the country and takes decisions. But those prime ministers have to consult the kings/queens, even though they don’t advertise that much. The people, who live in these countries are actually subjects, rather than citizens. For example, Norwegian subject. The UK citizens are actually King’s subjects, even though they don’t like to advertise that.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 6:39 utc | 214

Norway subjects: https://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain/opendocpdf.pdf?reldoc=y&docid=5d4adf374
The Uk nationals are actually King’s subjects, even though they don’t really want to advertise that.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 6:41 utc | 215

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 13 2022 22:47 utc | 147
Hi,
I thought it had become clear what my point was.
I also assume that the refugee numbers are somewhat higher, but that’s not what I mean. I also understand that the issue was how many people (i.e., as war material) might be available to the Kiev regime in the first place. After all, others have added good data to that, so it is clear that the “war material pool” is much smaller.
You mentioned a blanket figure of 8 million who have fled to Europe.
Well, I live in Europe and our press (very predominantly) and our politicians (all leading and especially the warmongers) and many of my fellow citizens think “we” would be Europe, so Europe = EU, Russia excluded, that does not belong to the great free Europe. Yet it is remarkable that according to official figures almost 40% of all refugees from Ukraine have fled to Russia and Russia is actually the country that has taken in the most refugees. That is very disturbing to the narrative of the West. That is my point.
In that context:
Posted by: Passer by | Oct 14 2022 1:32 utc | 182
No, the numbers I quoted are not based on border crossings, look it up yourself. Border crossings are significantly higher, especially to Poland, Hungary and other neighboring countries.
But also you come up with the “to Europe” story, good example of what I mean:
“[…] the regions Russia took are severely depopulated due to people fleeing the conflict, whether into Central and Western Ukraine or toward Europe.”
In this expression, where are the people who fled to Russia? Did you include them in the phrase “toward Europe”? It doesn’t seem so.
Regards

Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Oct 14 2022 6:54 utc | 216

As bad as things in Ukraine are, I doubt NATO/Elensky can make it go full-Paraguay in terms of national suicide. Total state-breakdown would occur first.
What is the situation in Kherson? It looks like the AFU is stalled-out. So are is the RF clearing out civvies like Donetsk city, because the Ukrs are doing their good-ole ”lob shells & kill random people” routine?

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 14 2022 2:54 utc | 194
It means the Russians are not planning to stop the shelling any time soon, as in Donetsk. One of the political goals of the SMO is to exhibit the NotZeeism of the Kiev regime for all to see. (This matches up with the great price Yurpeans are being asked to pay.)
Since they have hamstrung the Ukrainian electric grid, in hopes of getting the NotZees to stop acting like rabid dogs, it is going to be harder to keep the war going.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 14 2022 7:04 utc | 217

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 6:05 utc | 209
Aussie Cossack was part of a group right wing Christians who whipped up a frenzy in Anti covid lockdown protests in Vic last year. The main players were American style (or funded) Hillsong types with some Anti China pro military types. Maybe the Cossack got caught up not knowing who he was dealing with or maybe that’s his gig as well. That’s all I know.

Posted by: K | Oct 14 2022 7:06 utc | 218

NATO will start a nuclear war exercise next week. In the “Steadfast Noon” exercise, the air forces of 14 NATO countries practice a first nuclear strike from Poland.
Scott Ritter think, that is extremely danger and should be cancelled, because of the high tensions between Nato and Russia.
Sources:
https://www.washingtotimes.com/news/2022/oct/12/nato-hold-steadfast-noon-nuclear-drills-despite-ru/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/11/nato-chief-says-long-planned-nuclear-exercises-to-go-ahead
Scott Ritter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlP6rtawQLo

Posted by: Mikkado | Oct 14 2022 7:07 utc | 219

217 yes. hes had some stuff with usa sheisters in max igan’s benefactors class , a usa guy who sold mexican citizenship as one example. he ran for parliment last election i thought, so he has high ambitions . to think you can make any political change in a fixed game is naive. so i guess put him in the avi yemeni class. a reformed drug addict gaza sniper turned journalist, who ran australian liberty alliance, a neo nazi group , lolz suprise suprise. this is the level of alt heroes australia throws up.
cossack guy did bring attention to RF wasnt force vaxxing mobilized troops that was one thing i saw. he was locked up in isolation after a stunt at parliment with a monster truck . sorry if its off topic .

Posted by: hankster | Oct 14 2022 7:22 utc | 220

Mikkado | Oct 14 2022 7:07 utc | 218
“NATO will start a nuclear war exercise next week. In the “Steadfast Noon” exercise, the air forces of 14 NATO countries practice a first nuclear strike from Poland. Scott Ritter think, that is extremely danger and should be cancelled, because of the high tensions between Nato and Russia.”
I wonder what the odds are that NATO (or some wildcat faction within it) plans to use the pretext of this “exercise” to launch a real first strike.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 14 2022 7:28 utc | 221

Jason Jay Smart
@officejjsmart
Elon Musk’s Starlink says it can no longer afford to give Ukraine 🇺🇦 free service and asks the Pentagon 🇺🇸 to pay for it. Starlink had been a game changer in the war.
This comes days after Ukrainian Ambassador
@MelnykAndrij
told Musk to “fuck off.”
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Replying to
@officejjsmart
and
@MelnykAndrij
We’re just following his recommendation 🤷‍♂️

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 7:43 utc | 222

Jason Jay Smart
@officejjsmart
Elon Musk’s Starlink says it can no longer afford to give Ukraine 🇺🇦 free service and asks the Pentagon 🇺🇸 to pay for it. Starlink had been a game changer in the war.
This comes days after Ukrainian Ambassador
@MelnykAndrij
told Musk to “fuck off.”
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Replying to
@officejjsmart
and
@MelnykAndrij
We’re just following his recommendation 🤷‍♂️

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 7:43 utc | 223

Scott Ritter on NATO’s Nuclear Exercises.
Situation Between Belarus and Poland, plus Russia and Ukraine.
https://youtu.be/UlP6rtawQLo

Posted by: Almajiri | Oct 14 2022 7:52 utc | 224

@Posted by: Jun | Oct 14 2022 5:43 utc | 206
What you bring up about Chiang Kai Shek is complicated through the everpresent doubleplay by the anglosaxons. Chiang most likely didnt comprehend the true nature of that doubleplay. He was a christian and felt strong commonality with the official pose of anticommunism on the part of the anglosaxons. He probably believed that communism was due solely to the Soviets, but did he fully appreciate that it was the anglosaxon aristocrats who brought communism to Russia as well? I dont think so. Therefore the anglosaxon masterminds were fooling everybody including many on all sides. It is difficult to optimise your strategic moves when you havent decoded what is really going on. Chiang received military equipment from Germany and he was fighting Japan so he needed support.
Further his ideological leader until 1925, Sun Yat Sen, had a positive view of previous german leaders like Bismarck.
Todays chinese leaders call themselves communists but if Chiang could return from the grave and experience how things have changed I suspect he would have admired the new China.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 14 2022 7:59 utc | 225

Mikkado | Oct 14 2022 7:07 utc | 218
……… NATO nuclear exercise | drill.
Well. Let’s just remind ourselves of some the “drills” that crazily, unexpectedly and “coincidentally” went *live*
>Port Arthur mass shooting, Tasmania
>9/11
>7/7 London
>Boston bombing
>Christchurch mass shooting NZ
That’s a start…@barflies can add to list
(I think the Norwegian mass shooting? The Norwegians here can confirm or dispute)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 8:02 utc | 226

🇷🇺🇺🇦The fighting for Bakhmut is entering its climactic stage. The enemy in this direction is seriously exhausted, our units have penetrated deep into the city and are storming the main defensive line, and therefore the AFU command requires urgent reinforcements, otherwise the fall of the city will not only be inevitable, but will happen very quickly.
And here is where a very unpleasant fork of decisions emerges for Ze-k (Zelensky) and his gang. Surrendering a major city to the enemy would collapse the myth of an all-conquering Ukrainian army, without which Western aid could be curtailed. It would also be a blow to the image of the authorities inside the country and against the backdrop of a stalled front an unpleasant hint of future defeats.
And this is where they have to make a choice. Either withdraw their units from Zaporozhye and Svatove and reinforce the grouping near Artemovsk, or invest all their forces in a final strike.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/25118

The Nazi command has deployed Right Sector units to prevent the Ukrainian Armed Forces from retreating from Artemivsk.
Up to 200 Right Sector fighters have been deployed in this direction and have been ordered to stop the retreat of units of the 93rd Army Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14075

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 8:14 utc | 227

Josep Borrell commented on Thursday: “Every nuclear attack on Ukraine will meet with a more powerful response. Not a nuclear response, but one so powerful that the Russian army will be annihilated.”

If at all, the nukes will fly to UK and the US, or to certain places in the EU/NATO, rather than to any place in the Ukraine.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 8:17 utc | 228

“In fierce battles, under the steel rain of Russian shells, we held on to every piece of our land. We stopped the enemy onslaught and buried the myth about the invincibility of the Russian army. And now we’re getting ours back. No one and nothing will stop us,” Zaluzhnyi said in a Twitter post.
Who are these we? Zaluzhny and his cohorts, Zelly and his cohorts? They sure withstood the Russian onslaught, hiding underground, but the poor untrained Ukr conscripts didn’t.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 8:24 utc | 229

@ 218
Thanks for the update! I asked some questions a few threads ago about who can do what with nuclear weapons. In the reporting on this upcoming exercise, I found some answers so I thought I’d share them. As per Live Mint, NATO doesn’t have nuclear weapons. They all remain firmly in the control of the command structures of US, UK and France. Per AP, as reported in the Toronto Star:
“Stoltenberg’s remarks came after a meeting of NATO’s secretive Nuclear Planning Group, which was held among defense ministers in Brussels, as concerns deepen over Putin’s insistence that he will use any means necessary to defend Russian territory.
The meeting, which usually happens once or twice a year, comes amid high tension as some NATO allies, led by the U.S., supply Ukraine with advanced weapons and munitions to defend itself against Russian aerial attacks.”
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2022/10/13/nato-plans-routine-nuclear-exercises-despite-new-threats-from-putin.html
According Nato.int, “all member countries are part of the consultative process in the NPG with the exception of France which has decided not to participate. The Nuclear Planning Group is chaired by the NATO Secretary General and generally meets at the level of defence ministers.”
Macron has just said directly France won’t use nuclear weapons.
https://sputniknews.com/20221014/uk-defense-chief-chides-macron-for-revealing-his-hand-on-nuclear-weapons-1101835431.html

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 14 2022 8:27 utc | 230

Posted by: Andrew | Oct 14 2022 2:23 utc | 188
This is embarrassment for Russia
https://www.rt.com/russia/564632-belgorod-ammo-depot-fire/
——-
Not necessarily. Was it a large arsenal or just a small one with small arms and small grenades?

Posted by: oldwoman | Oct 14 2022 8:31 utc | 231

I opened the DPRK Reading Guide in Google Docs.
It seems fine, though I haven’t got down to reading it yet.

Posted by: JulianJ | Oct 14 2022 8:32 utc | 232

I wonder what the odds are that NATO (or some wildcat faction within it) plans to use the pretext of this “exercise” to launch a real first strike.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 14 2022 7:28 utc | 220
What is more interesting what sort of weapons and armor NATO will leave behind when they leave Poland.
They always use this sort of execises to leave gifts for their friends.

Posted by: Martina | Oct 14 2022 8:33 utc | 233

📍Elon Musk was reminded on Twitter that earlier the ex-ambassador to Germany Andrey Melnik wrote to him “Fuck off” (an analogue of the phrase “leave me alone, go ..”).
“We are following this recommendation,” Musk replied.
Earlier, Elon Musk confirmed plans to withdraw funding from Starlink in Ukraine.
“SpaceX doesn’t claim back past expenses, but it also can’t fund the current system indefinitely and, on top of that, send a few thousand more terminals that use 100 times more data than normal households. This is unreasonable,” Musk tweeted.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14163

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 8:34 utc | 234

Ukrainian TG-channel “Resident” writes:
“Our source in the Office of the President said that the Office of the President is awaiting the approval of the budget for 2023 with Western partners, and part of social spending will have to be cut further.
The catastrophic budget deficit is forcing the Government to turn on the regime of total savings, at the request of the IMF, not only social programs have been “cut” (and as we know, there are no plans to increase pensions, minimum wages and benefits next year, despite the collapse of the hryvnia exchange rate from 28 to 42 per dollar from a corresponding rise in prices for all goods), but also medicine.
About UAH 176 billion were allocated for it in the 2023 Budget, which is almost UAH 20 billion less than this year. Financing was also “cut off” under the program of medical guarantees, and this is payment for the treatment of citizens – by 11%. Moreover, according to insider information, expensive healthcare programs will also go under the knife, primarily oncological and dental care.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14166

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 8:37 utc | 235

Allied forces are preparing to enter the city of Artemovsk
The main units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to leave Artemovsk (Bakhmut) at night
This is reported by the military of the LPR.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/25124

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 8:39 utc | 236

@Down South 134
UAH 176 bn amounts to roughly 4.2 bn Dollars given the exchange rate of 42 HRY ./. $.
That can´t be enough for the whole year.
I read that 404 is burning through about 5 bn $/month.

Posted by: Goingo | Oct 14 2022 8:52 utc | 237

Further to my @ 229, in reply to Mikkado @ 218
I did some quick investigating into control of nuclear weapons in the UK. Is it the King who’s in charge of that or what? No, it’s the Prime Minister. Interestingly, the gov.uk page on the UK’s nuclear deterrence policy was last updated on Feb. 17, 2022.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-nuclear-deterrence-factsheet/uk-nuclear-deterrence-what-you-need-to-know
I actually stumbled on (what I found to be) a fascinating perspective on King Charles reign, what to expect. The writer notes that in contrast to his mother, Charles is ascending to the throne after fifty years of involvement in royal life. So his views on certain policies are well-known. Even if he, as stipulated by the Constitution, never again utters his views in public, they are already well known from his time as Prince. (On the topic of deterrence… of a different sort.)
https://carnegieeurope.eu/2022/09/14/surprising-potential-of-king-charles-s-reign-pub-87909

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 14 2022 8:58 utc | 238

Russia has few allies because it has gone out of its way to not make allies. It has completely thrown away the enormous soft power the USSR had. It has been following the asinine line that it needs no allies and has no reason to go to war to save nations even of historically vital importance to it, such as Ukraine. Obese blowhard armchair generals like the Faker and Martyanov have been bleating this line like constipated elephant seals for years, while simultaneously claiming that Russian intelligence knew everything that was going on in Ukranazistan.
Which is moronic, because Russian intelligence apparently knew less than what even I knew, let alone people like Strelkov. For years I’ve been saying that it was an incredible geopolitical idiocy for Putin to have permitted the Maidan coup in the first place, compounded by the imbecility of recognising the nazi coup regime and not helping the Donbass crush them, either by direct intervention or training and weapons. I had said it would inevitably lead to Russia having to fight a NATO army in Ukranazistani uniform in a major war, which is where we are now.
As for what comes next, if Surovikin had not been appointed I would have assumed Putin was going to do a Miloseviç, abandoning the Donbass in the hope that it would lead to a rapprochement where his oligarch cronies could do business in West Europistan again. But that would be a step much too far for the average Russian to swallow: Putin could not possibly survive it. Also there is no indication that the Europistanis can or will improve relations; their Warshington slave owners won’t let them. With Surovikin in charge, allegedly after making a condition that he must be given a free hand to use everything bar nuclear weapons, Russia seems to have finally decided to fight for real.
https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-dull-war/

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 14 2022 9:00 utc | 239

Goingo | Oct 14 2022 8:52 utc | 236
I read that 404 is burning through about 5 bn $/month.
I think that might be what they receiving, but not what they are spending. The difference perhaps being accounted for by ‘commissions’
to third parties and ‘decision makers’…
Remember this a government that does not even have sufficient winter clothing for its troops; are we to believe they have misplaced it all somewhere ?

Posted by: Lapin | Oct 14 2022 9:01 utc | 240

Lapin | Oct 14 2022 9:01 utc | 239
“10% for the big one”
You might be right. That´s why they are asking for even more. Coke ain´t cheap.

Posted by: Goingo | Oct 14 2022 9:09 utc | 241

Goingo | Oct 14 2022 9:09 utc | 240
Lapin | Oct 14 2022 9:01 utc | 239
I read recently about Ukrainian government bonds issued I think after the first color revolution in 2004.
I think a good chunk of the monthly $5bil goes to pay the bond holders… JPMorgan and the rest of the gang…
It came up as part of recent stuff about the London gilts bond market spasm a week or so back….
hmmm, I thought, interesting…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 9:28 utc | 242

Now this “continuous loop” with the alleged nuclear weapons threats from Putin…. these threats are ONLY to be heard in the West ❗
(Not in the rest of the world, there they talk about nuclear threats being pushed up by the West !! )
Putin has only ONE…. made it clear that Russia will never lose or be defeated ❗
(Which the USA or China would have made just as clear in the opposite case!)
.
What does the “West” achieve with such reports more or less around the clock, with talk shows by worn-out generals, so-called Russia experts, yes and now even with a NATO nuclear exercise less than 600 km from the Russian border ❗
.
Right, the population is prepared mentally, it is suggested that the RUSSES are threatening and beginning!
.
How did wars in history begin?
With the assertion “HE WILL ATTACK US” we were just faster!
Yemen / Iraq / Syria / Kosovo / Vietnam even in 1939 started suggesting the masses.
Pictures… the best way to create a mood, panic – fear a welcome side effect (see Corona)
A people in fear accepts almost everything! ” War too ! ” cheers for the first strike !!! ( See 1939 ).
.
It’s no longer about weakening Russia at the expense of the Ukrainians ❗
Things got out of hand for the “West” especially the USA ‼
Who NEVER expected that about 85% of the world population would support Putin or refuse to help
This conflict :
Has developed into a struggle for existence for dollars / euros and thus supremacy in the world ❗
It’s about the pure struggle for existence of the system ‼‼
And that is dangerous.
Because who fights for existence knows NO limits!
Only an escalation might give the WEST a chance
that breaks the formed axis against USA against yes Europe vassals!
In the hope of nuclear use = avert and condemn Russia ❓
.
Ergo, it is suggested that he started it, the west was only slammed first for protection.
Not just for the eyes of the people…..
No, the world has to believe it ❗
Although, since there are doubts, because NO country in the world still believes in the USA, the reason why the USA does not threaten itself but leaves it to the Europeans ‼
.
Resolution of the EU :
A secret ballot as requested has undermined the USA with their allies!
Poor states can’t afford to agree against USA yet
Strong states ALL voted against…
Only NO commenter says that..
Still celebrating the result as a success.
success of fear in truth ‼
End
.

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 14 2022 9:30 utc | 243

🇭🇺🇪🇺🇷🇺🇺🇸🛢”If we compare gas prices in America with the price at which gas from America is sold to Europe, we will see a huge difference. Energy is five to ten times cheaper in America than in our country, where we buy it from them-PM Orban
Europe is losing by refusing Russian gas and overpaying the US for it at times.
Now we need to ask our American friends a question: who wins in this situation?”

https://t.me/azmilitary11/25132

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 9:31 utc | 244

http://www.worldgovernmentbonds.com/bond-historical-data/ukraine/1-year/
Yup. Nice yield. Seems like a safe way to get rid of my money.

Posted by: Goingo | Oct 14 2022 9:31 utc | 245

LOL it happend again, Ukraine strike arms depot in Russia!
This is nothing but incompetence, again it is just a matter of time before Ukraine hit some high ranking person or some important target in Moscow.
Ukraine strikes ammo depot in Russia – governor
The attack sparked a major fire and triggered secondary detonations at the site
https://swentr.site/russia/564632-belgorod-ammo-depot-fire/

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 14 2022 9:39 utc | 246

Forwarded from Southwind
t.me/south0wind/2835
Many experts in both the public sphere and the Ministry of Defense, are studying the question of how to increase Russian army effectiveness in the here and now.
I was presented with the opportunity (https://t.me/south0wind/1549) to study the Boyd Cycle (aka the OODA Loop: observe – orient – decide – act) in the context of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. This was before Yerevan lost the war.
In the context of the RF Armed Forces, the lack of technical reconnaissance and target designation means immediately comes to the fore. Solving this problem will immediately increase the effectiveness of the “observation” stage.
If each command and control body and individual commanders proceeded from this principle of quick decision making using available resources, rather than the basis of rigid regulations and directives, our force effectiveness would increase.
The OODA loop comes into play when developing combat planning documents, which during the Second World War, if the situation required it, were worked out by hand and on the knee.
This also applies to the notorious ROK (Reconnaissance Fires Complex) and RUK (Reconnaissance Strike Complex)
The entire war machine must learn to think faster.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14175

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 9:43 utc | 247

@193 Australian lady
…the “merchandise” of this trade has morphed to become the word denoting the ethnicity of the region’s inhabitants. Slaves become Slav
This is a typical anglocentric view of the world. Tha name for Slavs which is the English version of the word Slaven did not come from the English “slave”. It is coming from the Slavic word SLAVA, which means: glory, honour, splendor, fame.
That’s why we have SLAVA Ukraini, or Slava Rossiya.
Slavic words for a slave are sužanj, rob, rab.
Do you know what is a Slavic name for a German? It is Nyemac, Nemec, and it means a mute, someone who can’t speak (our language).
So the Slaven did not come from a slave, if it is the the other way around, that is up to Anglos to find out.

Posted by: Crazyplanet | Oct 14 2022 9:43 utc | 248

No, slav does not come from “slava”; it comes from “slovo” meaning “word”

Posted by: Platero | Oct 14 2022 9:53 utc | 249

If you want to know how ordinary people help the RF army, have a read, have a read. In Russian. If you know Russian, you’d get the feeling better.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 9:57 utc | 250

Truly something amazing footage (Spornoye, assumably somewhere in LPR). UAF troops defend an area with a few already destroyed house rubbles, then they get killed by long range tank/artillery shots, then the next wave are fed in exact same spot and bury the previous ones in a hole. Then they are killed etc. conveyor belt at work. This thing can keep going on for another year or more.
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1580836071406940160

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 10:02 utc | 251

Crazyplanet @247
Slava- Slav
Thanks, I much prefer this meaning. Pardon my ethnocentrism.

Posted by: Australian lady | Oct 14 2022 10:04 utc | 252

Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 9:28 utc | 241
“I read recently about Ukrainian government bonds issued I think after the first color revolution in 2004.
I think a good chunk of the monthly $5bil goes to pay the bond holders… JPMorgan and the rest of the gang…
It came up as part of recent stuff about the London gilts bond market spasm a week or so back….
hmmm, I thought, interesting…”
An awful lot of billions borrowed by Ukraine or foisted on Europe as guarantors for the loans or the lend-lease program. When Ukraine goes belly up that’s a rather large bad debt for someone to write off.
Wonder who will wear the loss?

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Oct 14 2022 10:07 utc | 253

@ Cyberhorse | Oct 14 2022 | 252
Wonder who will wear the loss?

Nobody. There is no money in a bank that will repay this.
It was probably envisaged to invest some, make whatever promises and plunder ‘defeated Russia’ afterwards.
It seems this is a no-go plan.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 14 2022 10:33 utc | 254

🇺🇦🇷🇺 𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗙𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗮𝘀𝘆 !
The General Staff continues to accumulate reserves on the Southern Front, at the moment the Armed Forces of Ukraine have assembled a group of 60 thousand, of which half is in Nikolaev and is preparing to strike at Kherson.
The Biden administration is urging Zelensky to storm Kherson in order to retake the city before the 𝗦𝗲𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 and allow the 𝗗𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗰𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 to use this victory as a symbol. Zaluzhny advocates a phased campaign, and warns of 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝘃𝘆 𝗹𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘀 during the assault on Kherson, which Russian troops have turned into a 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14186

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 10:41 utc | 255

This war can be called artillery
Military expert Daniil Bezsonov about weapons at the front:
▪️The shelling continues. Gorlovka, Yasinovataya, as well as Kuibyshevsky, Kirovsky, Petrovsky and Kyiv districts of Donetsk are under attack. Two people died in a day.
▪️Zaluzhny recognized our superiority in artillery. Our fire intensity is higher. From the side of the enemy, high-precision MLRS HIMARS are working. They influenced the course of events, and our front stopped. However, now the MLRS of domestic production “Tornado” are entering. Possible fracture.
▪️Our cannon artillery is working actively. Enemy counter-battery radars become less effective. We shoot from a longer distance. We apply a new
modification of the artillery system “Peony” “Malka”. There is a process of adaptation. This is an artillery war. 90% of the wounded and dead suffered from shrapnel wounds, and not from small arms. Artillery makes it possible to work at long distances. Close combat is rare these days.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14191

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 10:47 utc | 256

Want to time travel back to the mindfarking days at the very start of RussiaRussiaRussia?
There’s a trial underway that’s attempting to get right to Ground Zero of where and who and why it all began ……\(well, we know why….it was HRC explaining why she lost to the guy the DNC recruited to be a Pied Piper…to force the “anyone but Trump” voters to pinch their nose and vote for the toxic HRC)
That Trump became the scorpion to her frog… that she was betrayed by someone who’s nature it is to betray and lie..she loathes herself for being fooled….and the world must never think that she failed…but that devious forces… RUSSIA! did this to her…
The Igor Danchenko Trial – Day 3
Revealed – the FBI Paid Danchenko over $200,000
Techno Fog. https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog
>We have the transcripts for the 1st day of the Igor Danchenko trial.
>The FBI’s million dollar offer to Christopher Steele.
>Sergei Millian being a prior FBI Source.
>And – how it was a bad day for FBI leadership.
Ukraine?
So many of the key cast is this tragi-comedy were Ukrainian, or US State Dept with deep and long antipathy to Russia… remember how Paul Manafort got “taken out” of the Trump campaign so early… Manafort knew about the first colour rev of 2004, and the long effort put into the 2014 Maiden coop…. Trump had to be kept away from the stinking corrupt (and profitable) mess that was Ukraine.
And here we are.
Ukraine are smouldering bomb site, and NATO|US casually hyping nuclear exchanges to “settle” the dispute…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 10:54 utc | 257

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 10:41 utc | 254

The Biden administration is urging Zelensky to storm Kherson in order to retake the city before the 𝗦𝗲𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻

They should be careful what they wish for. I hope the RF let them take Kherson city …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 14 2022 11:03 utc | 258

An article has been posted on the Dances With Bears website detailing what the FSB claims was how the Crimea Bridge bombing was carried out:
THE UKRAINIAN M.O. FOR THE CRIMEAN BRIDGE ATTACK – THIS IS HOW THE OPERATION WORKED TO THE POINT OF DETONATION

Posted by: B. Wildered | Oct 14 2022 11:03 utc | 259

@ aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 20:37 utc | 106
Churchill also the poster-boy of how to bring forth a sociopath. He wrote letters to his mom, begging her to come and see him, when he was home for holidays. His only refuge in childhood was his tin-soldiers, and when he grew up he suffered depression and barely functioned if he wasn’t fighting wars.

Posted by: Anne B | Oct 14 2022 11:22 utc | 260

‼️🇸🇪❌🇩🇪🇩🇰Sweden blocks joint investigation with Germany and Denmark into Nord Stream explosions.
Sweden says the “safety classification of the investigation is too high” to share the result with other countries, Spiegel reports‼️ “>https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_100066078/schweden-will-nicht-gemeinsam-mit-deutschland-ermitteln.html

https://t.me/azmilitary11/25147

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 11:22 utc | 261

@ Down South.
200 glue-sniffing Neo-Naughty-Boi’s arnt going to stop a large number of armed, pissed off & battle-weary AFU troops.
If they really want to get out of dodge, they’ll shoot the scum and claim stright-face the Russians did it.
Kiev couldn’t do mich in response, because that’s how you spark a munity. Various armies tried this shit WW1 and lot of officers & MP’s got shot, by front-line guys who had zero-fucks left to give…

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 14 2022 11:30 utc | 262

@aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 20:49 utc | 112
Just leave Stoltenberg be. When this is over he’ll wish he was in Trollheimen in a bikini.
Trollheimen without Stoltenberg
https://naturfotografen-forum.de/data/o/103/515948/image.jpg

Posted by: Anne B | Oct 14 2022 11:31 utc | 263

@120
Aussie Cossack is an Australian immigrant from Kazakhstan. He was a major leader in the anti lockdown protests in Brisbane last year. I believe he was arrested at one point. He had a Youtube channel but I believe it was taken down. He seems to be a big civil libertarian. Its heartening that he’s organizing neutrality protests, sad that this has to come from the broad right instead of the left. As I understand the Australian left is dominated by Cliffites, who are more or less pro Zelensky regime.

Posted by: Kate Frey | Oct 14 2022 11:34 utc | 264

@248 Platero
There is still no consensus on the issue of of the etymology of “Slav”.
1. It derived from Slava (glory)
2. It derived from Slovo (word)
3. It derived from slava- that once had the meaning of worshipper ( practicer of a common Slavic religion)
4. Derived from the ancient Indo-European word slaous which meant people.
The word Slovo, and the related Slava and slukh (” hearing”) originate from the proto Indo-European root klew (” be spoken of, glory”).

Posted by: Crazyplanet | Oct 14 2022 11:40 utc | 265

🇸🇪🇩🇰🇩🇪Sweden, Denmark and Germany refused to jointly investigate the emergency at the Nord Streams and will work independently. sources of the German ARD TV channel say

https://t.me/azmilitary11/25150

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 11:43 utc | 266

🇩🇪🧐👮German investigators came to the conclusion that the damage on the “Nord Streams” can only be the result of explosions, the ARD TV channel noted.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/25153

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 11:48 utc | 267

Down South @ 260, 265, 266
FSB: “We have the data, but I won’t specify it.”
https://tass.com/world/1522645

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 14 2022 12:29 utc | 268

Just read this at the guardian:
“Elon Musk’s SpaceX has said it cannot afford to continue to donate satellite internet to Ukraine and has asked the US government to pick up the bill, according to a report, as the relationship between the billionaire and Kyiv breaks down.”
“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales wrote, in a letter seen by CNN.
What happened?

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 14 2022 12:36 utc | 269

German investigators came to the conclusion that the damage on the “Nord Streams” can only be the result of explosions,
Peter Cooke sketch; Inspector Cooke investigates at the crime scene;
We believe this to be the work of thieves, and I’ll tell you why. The whole pattern is very reminiscent of past robberies where we have found thieves to be …

Posted by: Lapin | Oct 14 2022 12:37 utc | 270

Ooops; I messed up the quote, try again
“We believe this to be the work of thieves, and I’ll tell you why. The whole pattern is very reminiscent of past robberies where we have found thieves to be involved. The tell-tale loss of property — that’s one of the signs we look for.“
— Peter Cook, Beyond the Fringe “The Great Train Robbery” (1964)
Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1818128-peter-cook-we-believe-this-to-be-the-work-of-thieves-and-il/

Posted by: Lapin | Oct 14 2022 12:43 utc | 271

Moldova is 100% ancestral Romanian land that was Ribbentop-Molotov’d away by Hitler and Stalin days before kicking off their WW2 SMO against Poland.
There must be a reason why the Moldovan are running away from the sophisticated, enlightened, Russian culturniks.

Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Oct 14 2022 12:47 utc | 272

Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Oct 14 2022 6:54 utc | 215
In “Europe” UNHCR includes Russia too.
The people actually registered for Temporary Protection or similar national protection schemes are 4,350,995, the total number of refugees is given as 7,678,757.
This “refugee” number is suspiciously close to net border crossings, when you add border crossing towards Europe and then remove from them reverse border crossings towards Ukraine, you get a very similar number to those 7.6 million people given as refugees – around 7.4 million.
>>In this expression, where are the people who fled to Russia? Did you include them in the phrase “toward Europe”? It doesn’t seem so.
Obviously i thought about them. But even when i include them you get less population taken by Russia by taking “the 4 regions”, not getting the full population of those 4 regions, and thus leading to wrong calculations, because:
1 There are 8 million internally displaced people in Ukraine, many of those are obviously from the war zones in the 4 regions, and some of those from the 4 regions certainly moved to the EU too and not to Russia, for example right now in my country we are taking refugees from Zaporozhie region.
So Russia does not get the full population of those 4 regions even taking into account that some of these people fled to Russia, and not to Ukraine or the EU.

Posted by: Passer by | Oct 14 2022 13:08 utc | 273

⚡ Statements from Putin :
❗The decision of the German authorities to fulfill NATO obligations to the detriment of German interests a mistake.
❗The President of Turkey has already played a significant role in resolving a number of issues, for example, in the issue of exchanges of prisoners of war, he personally got involved, we are grateful to him for this .
❗As soon as the troops withdrew from Kyiv – that’s it, Kyiv lost its desire to negotiate
❗I do not see the need for negotiations with Biden, the issue of my trip to the G20 has not been fully resolved .
❗On Crimean bridge issue :The FSB stated that, most likely, the explosives were sent by sea, but it has not been definitely established whether this was done with the help of grain carriers or not.
❗If it turns out that humanitarian corridors are being used for terrorist attacks, then this will raise questions at the grain deal.
❗The Ministry of Defense decided to call less than 300k people , initially .
❗️Now 222 thousand are mobilized as a part of partial mobilization
❗Partial mobilization is almost over, it will be completed in about two weeks
❗The line of contact is 1100 km – it is almost impossible to keep it with contract soldiers, mobilization is connected with this.
❗33 thousand mobilized are in units and 16k are already in units that are used to carry out combat missions.
❗I will additionally give instructions to the Security Council of the Russian Federation so that they conduct an inspection of how the training of mobilized citizens is carried out.
❗We do not set ourselves the task of destroying Ukraine & I don’t regret anything
❗Now there is no need for massive strikes, at least now, for now, now other tasks need to be fulfilled.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14199

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 13:10 utc | 274

Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Oct 14 2022 12:47 utc | 271
Imbecile, stop spouting bullshit. Moldova was Bessarabia before – the land liberated from the turks by the Russians. It was never Romanian save for a brief period between the world wars. There are multiple people leaving there – Russian, Gagauz, Bulgarian, and yes, Romanian who are the majority.
And yes, go fuck yourself, degenerate.

Posted by: Boo | Oct 14 2022 13:10 utc | 275

Here’s one of the Ukrainian “experts” analysing the situation, https://youtu.be/NGIf52Dpeow
He had been analysing for a long time, good for the western MSM.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 13:11 utc | 276

Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) Front Update: The Russian Army installs its flag on the broadcast tower of the furniture factory in the eastern, industrial part of Artyomovsk.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14203

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 13:22 utc | 277

The Ukrainian General Staff continues to accumulate reserves on the Southern Front, at the moment the Armed Forces of Ukraine have assembled a group of 60 thousand, of which half is in Nikolaev and is preparing to strike at Kherson. The Biden administration is urging Zelensky to storm Kherson in order to retake the city before the Senate election and allow the Democrats to use this victory as a symbol. Zaluzhny advocates a phased campaign and warns of heavy losses during the assault on Kherson, which Russian troops have turned into a fortress.

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 14 2022 13:27 utc | 278

Explosives used in TERROR ATTACK on Crimean Bridge was sent by sea from Odessa, if it turns out grain corridor deal was abused to allow for transportation of explosives, this will put into question further functioning of corridor – Putin.

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/1776
Video embedded.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 13:32 utc | 279

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 20:45 utc | 111
The collapse of empires always seems to follow a pattern. As the public, especially the artisan class, looses motivation and status the driver for colonial expansion decays from within. It can be hidden by resorting to slave or feudal labour, but this accellerates the decay in domestic wealth, economic stability and the role of the middle class. Eventually the projection of state power is overextended and the empire starts withdrawing, becoming economically unstable, and fragmenting. US withdrawal from Afghanistan reminds me of Roman withdrawal from Britain. US is excessively dependent on its colonies for both resources and production, but continues to degrade its own manufacturing capability. Continued US provocation of Eastern Europe, like imperial Rome inciting conflict among Germanic tribes, is at best a temporary fix. The Mongols are coming.

Posted by: tPaine | Oct 14 2022 13:32 utc | 280

cyberhorse @ 252
Wapo article blames tax breaks, pension funds, and Blackrock et al investment strategy (LDIs) for the instability. article
Here’s what Blackrock was thinking in July…getting antsy. article
Does this bond payment extension have anything to do with it?
article
Finance is not my specialty…trying to auger some sort of understanding through the jargon.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Oct 14 2022 13:35 utc | 281

Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) Front Line Updates:
1) Opytne is not yet under complete control of the Russian Army. The main part of the Ukrainian forces has left it. Sporadic fighting continues.
2) In Artyomovsk itself there is a rotation of demoralized Ukrainian territorial defence troops for more combat-ready units.
3) Fighting continues in and around Soledar.
4) The Russian Army is conducting successful maneuvers to encircle Artyomovsk from the north and the southwest.
5) Much of Zabakhmutka (marked with a red circle and partial shading on the map) is under the control of the Russian Army. Sporadic fighting is taking place in the area of Yagodnoye and Krasnaya Gora.
6) Ukrainian reinforcements numbering 300 fighters have arrived at Chasov Yar, to the west of Artyomovsk.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14207

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 13:41 utc | 282

ThusspakeZarathustra @268 [re: Elon Musk going cold on the Ukraine] “What happened?
Despite the common sentiment here, Must is not an idiot. He got tired of hearing that the Ukraine is full of Nazis and watching the Establishment and Twitter’s bot army trying to deflect, so he did his own investigation. He obviously discovered that the Ukraine IS full of lunatic Nazis, and that he had been lied to about it.
I doubt very much that Musk cares at all about the Nazis. He’s practically a Nazi sympathizer himself; on the other hand, he very much cares about having been lied to and made a fool of. His about face on the Ukraine is not so much an “Ef you!” to the Ukraine as it is to the old guard of the oligarchy whom Musk thought he was getting to be closer buddies with.
Then there is the issue of the establishment piling on Musk when he was just hinting at the obvious best case solution for the Ukraine. Again, it is not that Musk cares about the Ukraine but rather that he realized how close we are getting to true Armageddon. Musk needs a few more years before he is ready to go to Mars (yes, he literally intends to go to Mars), and he knows a nuke war will wreck supply chains much more than the Covid did. He cannot afford that right now. In ten years? No problem, but not right now. So again, this is an “Ef you!” to the war mongers and notice that he is not going to carry their water any more. I suppose he thinks that might get them to do some of the introspection they have been avoiding for decades? Good luck with that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2022 13:57 utc | 283

“NATO will start a nuclear war exercise next week. In the “Steadfast Noon” exercise, the air forces of 14 NATO countries practice a first nuclear strike from Poland. Scott Ritter think, that is extremely danger and should be cancelled, because of the high tensions between Nato and Russia.”
I wonder what the odds are that NATO (or some wildcat faction within it) plans to use the pretext of this “exercise” to launch a real first strike.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 14 2022 7:28 utc | 220
I’d say the odds are alarmingly high. Recall that there was a drill on 9/11 about possible attacks by aircraft into Manhattan.
And similarly there were anti-underground (subway) drills going on in London on 7/7 (?) the day those attacks happened. There are other examples.
So if there is a drill about using nukes……………
Will someone please rid us of these troublesome elites!!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 14 2022 14:00 utc | 284

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2022 13:57 utc | 282
you would think that more elite billionaires would be like this. i mean most of them aren’t even planning to go to Mars, so their asses will get fried along with the plebes.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 14 2022 14:07 utc | 285

So, blood supplies in England have suddenly become critically low, earlier on in the year there was talk of sending blood to Ukraine, has that now happened? I wonder. Of course, it’s very easy for officials to claim that the shortage is due to Covid.
https://www.blood.co.uk/news-and-campaigns/news-and-statements/invasion-of-ukraine/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63229980

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 14 2022 14:12 utc | 286

but did he fully appreciate that it was the anglosaxon aristocrats who brought communism to Russia as well?
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 14 2022 7:59 utc | 224
Puhlease! Putin and Lavrov use this ‘anglo-saxon’ moniker as well. Saker’s Anglo-Zionist is much better. I doubt there’s been more than a handful of white, protestant anglo ‘communists’ in the past century. It was a Jewish project through and through. As was all the nasty business in China involving opium which still rankles over a century later… as was a significant percentage of the slave trade in the US….as is the current imbroglio in Ukraine….

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 14 2022 14:18 utc | 287

Ukrops apparently put Elon Musk on their hit list.
“🇺🇦🇺🇲 They write that Elon Musk stayed on the Ukranian kill list for about 10-15 minutes and was removed from there. Apparently someone guessed that Starlink could be turned off permanently.”

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 14:21 utc | 288

“… The entire war machine must learn to think faster.”
Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 9:43 utc | 246

Perhaps we can already see a hint of this in the recent videos of Lancet drone strikes? Something lightweight and precise that can be operated via a much shorter chain of command, augmenting or simply bypassing slower response mechanisms.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2022 14:23 utc | 289

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2022 13:57 utc | 282
Another issue is that the StarLink network (supposed to have 40 000 satellites in the future) is a core element of Schwab’s “fourth industrial revolution”. StarLink is supposed to operate and connect all these human cyber implants sometime around 2030. Now they have a problem because a majority of StarLink could end up destroyed due to this war, which could demolish the whole plan.
Elon Musk is mostly trying to cover this. The Russians have interest that ukies can’t connect with Starlink, and they will start disabling it one way or the other, otherwise.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 14 2022 14:25 utc | 290

pretzelattack @284: “you would think that more elite billionaires would be like this. i mean most of them aren’t even planning to go to Mars, so their asses will get fried along with the plebes.”
Nah, they have their luxury bunkers. The bigger issue is that unlike Musk most of the billionaire elites actually are idiots. They’ve been stepping over Russia’s “red lines” for decades and don’t see a problem with it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 14 2022 14:29 utc | 291

From Slavyangrad……
Avdeevka Front Line Updates:
Over the course of October 13, 2022, troops of the 11th Brigade of the DPR and the Russian Armed Forces advanced significantly to the north of Avdeevka, along the Krutaya Balka-Kamenka-Veseloye-Krasnogorovka line and to the south, along the Opytnoye-Vodyanoye line, having crossed over the M-30 highway and taken control of the Avdeevka interchange.
As a result, the enemy grouping in Avdeevka now finds itself in semi-encirclement. As before, the main objective of the advancing Russian Army is the village of Orlovka, after the taking of which the supply of the enemy grouping in Avdeevka from Konstantinovka will be completely terminated.
Musk explains the withdrawal of free Starlink service for Ukraine
Elon Musk claimed he was following the instruction to “f**k off,” which outgoing ambassador to Germany Andrey Melnik issued to him, by refusing to provide free Starlink satellite services to Kiev.
The CEO of SpaceX confirmed the connection on Friday. He responded to a correspondent from the Kyiv Post, who shared news about the company’s demand that the Pentagon foot Ukraine’s growing bill and noted how Melnik insulted Musk recently.
“We’re just following his recommendation,” Musk tweeted, adding a ‘man shrugging’ emoji.
Days later, Ukrainian troops reportedly started having issues with access to the Starlink system, with the Financial Times describing “panicked calls from soldiers to helplines.” Musk claimed that his company had provided a free service to Ukraine to the tune of $80 million.

This battle is the key to stopping Ukie shelling of Donetsk City.
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 14 2022 14:32 utc | 292

It’s not hard to see why, as per one of my above posts , 90% of casualties are through artillery

🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦Artemovsk (Bakhmut) heavy fighting.
“Wagner” is pushing forward in that direction

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1580923752107642880
Video embedded in Tweet

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2022 14:34 utc | 293

Below is a link to the talk by Vladimir Pozner at Yale four years ago that someone here recommended yesterday. Thank you. Such a calm, logical, informative discussion and more relevant than ever.
I get the sense that if this was watched by people on both sides of the current issue, it would go a long way to calming the situation down and lead to solutions rather than more and more obfuscation.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8X7Ng75e5gQ&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Canuckian | Oct 14 2022 14:37 utc | 294

@Melaleuca | Oct 14 2022 8:02 utc | 225

(I think the Norwegian mass shooting? The Norwegians here can confirm or dispute)

Confirmed. There was a police exercise in the days before and on the same day finishing at 15:00 on the same day matching the incredibly improbable scenario that took place at Utøya island 22. July 2011, the shooting was just a few hours later. It was first a bombing of the Goverment house (PM Stoltenberg’s office) in Oslo, complete with crisis actors + real dead victims. Then it was the mass shooting an hour drive from the city at the Utøya island where Stoltenberg’s party have summer camps every year, and he is always present.
In Norwegian language
https://www.jostemikk.com/category/22-juli-saken/
Facsimile from Aftenposten MSM newspaper 26. July 2011 confirming what I say, Information confirmed by police then (later it was memory holed).
https://www.jostemikk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Terror-drill-22.-juli-2011-1.jpg

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2022 14:38 utc | 295

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 14 2022 14:18 utc | 286
Jewish projects , all with Anglo-Saxon power to bolster them , or it just wouldn’t happen.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Oct 14 2022 14:40 utc | 296

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 13 2022 19:12 utc | 63
I thought Bruce Cumings, “The Korean War”, really showed that a civil war would have resulted in much fewer deaths than the war the US brought – 8 million gallons of napalm and just about every village and city flattened, in both the North and South. We also see the same pattern there that we’re seeing in Ukraine. The US sides with those who sided with Japanese fascists who were anti-communist/anti-China….

Posted by: zeke2u | Oct 14 2022 14:51 utc | 297

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 14 2022 9:00 utc | 238
I like your writing and your pov. keep up the good work.

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Oct 14 2022 15:14 utc | 298

John Bolton: The ultimate US goal should be to remove Putin from power through regime change or targeted assassination

Posted by: rk | Oct 14 2022 15:16 utc | 299

I see Putin and Erdogan have agreed to a major gas exporting hub in western Türkiye.
According to RT:

Erdogan said the two countries’ energy authorities will work together to designate the best spot to build the distribution center, which will most likely be in Türkiye’s northwest, in the Thrace region which borders Greece and Bulgaria.
“Together with Mr. Putin, we have instructed our Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources and the relevant institution on the Russian side to work together,” Erdogan told reporters on the presidential plane while returning from Kazakhstan on Thursday.
“They will conduct this study. Wherever the most appropriate place is, we will hopefully establish this distribution center there,” he added, noting that while Türkiye already has a national distribution center, the new infrastructure will be the country’s first international gas hub.

Good news, since Southern Europe is less Russophobic than the north.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 14 2022 15:17 utc | 300