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October 12, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-170
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 9:54 utc | 181 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 13 2022 11:05 utc | 201 LOL only 50% of the planet recognizes Kosovo as a country and that shit happened 15 years ago. Posted by: Comandante | Oct 13 2022 11:07 utc | 202 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 9:48 utc | 180 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2022 11:09 utc | 203 The Crimean bridge makes an ideal target for tactical nuke – big impact, low loss of civilian lives. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 13 2022 11:17 utc | 204 Yeahright@142…..it’s fake, they shot them all down, then turned off the power to troll the Russians. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 13 2022 11:18 utc | 205 Imam Khomeini’s historic letter to Gorbachev Posted by: Almajiri | Oct 13 2022 11:21 utc | 206 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2022 10:12 utc | 186 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2022 11:22 utc | 207 Ukrainian brigades are being broken up into smaller fragments and spread over wider areas. There was a case of one brigade being in both Kherson and Bakhmut fronts simultaneously. They are mostly just trying to plug gaps now due to major losses in offensives in earlier weeks. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 11:29 utc | 208 Posted by: Almajiri | Oct 13 2022 11:21 utc | 208
Avicenna, Averoes, Al Ghazali, Al Khwarizmi. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 11:37 utc | 209 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 11:29 utc | 210
This is going to confuse mappers like DPA, Dima and Rybar endlessly … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 11:52 utc | 210 Let’s wait for 30% electric Power decline would have any “results” for ElendSkys’ Media Power newly shout … Posted by: ramsteen_tom | Oct 13 2022 11:57 utc | 211 @195 Zanon “There is no way Russia can win this war if they cant even protect their border!” Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 12:12 utc | 212 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 11:52 utc | 212 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 12:12 utc | 213 @201 “If the US can ‘strong arm’ 140 odd countries to support their position and deter 35 countries from voting for Russia’s situation in Ukraine, it would seem to demonstrate the strength of the US over Russia on the global stage would it not?” Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 12:17 utc | 214 @204 Comandante “Only an idiot would be surprised nobody recognizes the new Russian territories while the war still going on.” Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 12:20 utc | 215 “I know you disapprove of this sort of characterisation but to me they are nothing more than piss-ant cockroaches, internet blockwarts, the almost-cheapest seats in the entire western intelligence racket.” So this is going on now @216 Yeah Right Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 12:25 utc | 218 Meanwhile, back at the Kerch bridge, apparently damaged by a single lorry-bomb Posted by: Lapin | Oct 13 2022 12:26 utc | 219 Such an organisation has lost all mandate to determine ‘law’ and all moral high ground or authority to determine consensus. So where does Putin stand on international law, international organizations, and following legal obligations now ? Is Russia going to ignore the vote just like Putin’s partner Israhell does ? Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 13 2022 12:46 utc | 221 Another crashed UA Su-24 in Poltava. Seems they have lost 3 aircraft in the last 16 hours. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 12:53 utc | 222 @221 Lapin Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 12:55 utc | 223 Interesting fact. If you were to add up the populations of oh, say the 170 countries in the world whose populations are less than or equal to that of Saudi Arabia (pop. 35 million), you would still fall slightly short of the population of China, by itself. Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Oct 13 2022 12:57 utc | 224 Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 12:55 utc | 225
Which will be exactly zero, as seen by the smoking ruin that used to be Ukraine’s electricity supply grid. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 13:04 utc | 225 I’m not bothered by that UN vote. VVP says that he favours multipolarity. This is just an example of it. Only the US seems to want Uno Duce, Una Voce. But I saw something interesting the other day. Seems SCNF – the French railway company – has pulled out of the Californian railway project. Headed to Morocco to build one there. Seems Morocco is less “dysfunctional” than CA. Putting that straw in the wind together with the useless US education system I’m wondering about where those companies exiting a deindustrialising Europe will locate to. The US just looks like a bad bet. When VVP takes over Ukraine it might be a far better bet. After all, those Germans had a big part in developing Novorossiya in the first place. And they’ll have loads of energy for the heavy industry – while the US is still going to be mired in wokeness and the green delirium for the foreseeable future Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 13 2022 13:04 utc | 226 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 12:53 utc | 224
I’m impressed they have any aircraft left at all. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 13:06 utc | 227 Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Oct 13 2022 12:57 utc | 226 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 13 2022 13:11 utc | 228 Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 12:28 utc | 222
It still retains utility to political leaders like Putin. It remains at minimum the only forum where the entirety of the world can be addressed in one place and at one time. If nothing else, that’s what the UN is good for. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 13:13 utc | 229 @227 Arch Bungle Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 13:17 utc | 230 Lapin @221: “So, two different points of collapse a couple of hundred metres apart… two explosions.” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 13:18 utc | 231 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 12:12 utc | 215
Yes, some room to breath and re-arm will do them good.
These things are going to have significant teething problems. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 13:23 utc | 232 @ Arch bungle 211 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 13 2022 13:29 utc | 233 Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 13:17 utc | 232
Your notion of “eased off” is warped. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 13:29 utc | 234 @Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 13:17 utc | 23 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 13 2022 13:31 utc | 235 Ukraine is now even worse than Haiti. Posted by: Chris | Oct 13 2022 13:33 utc | 236 Or even more likely is that there is no difference, and never has been, between ISIS/Al-qaeda and other mercenary terrorist death squads employed by the Empire. Posted by: laguerre | Oct 13 2022 13:35 utc | 237 Posted by: Lapin | Oct 13 2022 12:26 utc | 221 Posted by: laguerre | Oct 13 2022 13:37 utc | 238 Most countries have land beefs and will never vote okay for land to be taken by force. Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 13 2022 13:38 utc | 239 “Peace be upon those who follow the guidance. Arch @ 234 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 13 2022 13:41 utc | 241 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 13 2022 13:41 utc | 243 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 13:43 utc | 242 unimperator (178). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 13 2022 13:45 utc | 243 laguerre @239 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 13:54 utc | 244 If these countries have no skin in the game, why are they not persuaded by Russia badgering them to support their position and vote against? Or abstain? It is wrong to conflate the CIA/MI5 class of Political Islam, the agents of the Emoire of Lies, with either mass of Posted by: Giyane | Oct 13 2022 13:55 utc | 246 @oldhippie Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 13 2022 13:56 utc | 247 @236 Arch Bungle Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 13:56 utc | 248 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 21:48 utc | 52 Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Oct 13 2022 14:04 utc | 250 Speaking of Muslims, some of the posts above remind me of Western double-standards. Posted by: dfg | Oct 13 2022 14:05 utc | 251
You made me remember Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua. They had good training there. Keep on Gruffing, your posts are a lot of added value to this site. Posted by: Paco | Oct 13 2022 14:12 utc | 252 Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 13:56 utc | 250
They have not eased off at all. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 14:12 utc | 253 Tom UK @ 250 Posted by: Hereward | Oct 13 2022 14:16 utc | 254 William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 9:54 utc | 181 Posted by: donten | Oct 13 2022 14:17 utc | 255 Most countries have land beefs and will never vote okay for land to be taken by force. From the Washington Post: Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Oct 13 2022 14:25 utc | 257 BBC propaganda about Ukraine in action. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 13 2022 14:26 utc | 258 Two points. First, it will not be zero. It’s an important supply chain, the loss of which will have an impact. How much of an impact remains to be seen. Second, I don’t think Ukraine’s electricity supply grid is a smoking ruin. It’s going to take more than two days of missile strikes to accomplish that. I don’t claim to keep tabs on events 24/7, but it seems that after two days, the missile strikes eased off? Posted by: JackG | Oct 13 2022 14:30 utc | 259 I’m quite sure Belarus and Russia will enter from Belarus to cut the border crossings of weapons from Poland, this will collapse the Ukraina war efforts, a large offensive at the west Bank of Dnieper and when that reaches the forces around Lyvov, an offensive from Belgorod and, finally the Odessa storming. Posted by: gimmeabreak | Oct 13 2022 14:33 utc | 260 Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 13:56 utc | 250 Posted by: Passer by | Oct 13 2022 14:34 utc | 261 The Strategic Objective for the West was only Sanctions. Posted by: JackG | Oct 13 2022 14:36 utc | 262 On the UNGA vote: As with previous similar votes, it’s split around 50% in terms of world population with all non-western nuclear powers not siding with the US. Posted by: Mushroom | Oct 13 2022 14:36 utc | 263 Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 12:23 utc | 218 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2022 14:37 utc | 264 The color of the skin of the magic sky daddy, the current characteristics of the evil “others” who must be destroyed, or the national mythos used to guide the fascists’ behavior are all irrelevant as they are installed by mass media and clergy and can be adjusted at will. Posted by: Giyane | Oct 13 2022 14:39 utc | 265 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 6:01 utc | 139 Posted by: georgeg | Oct 13 2022 14:41 utc | 266 William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 13:18 utc | 233 Posted by: Lapin | Oct 13 2022 14:45 utc | 267 SOP for the US state department is to bully smaller countries in the UN with threats of either outright violence, or cutting off of foreign aid money, if they don’t tow the line. Posted by: Chris | Oct 13 2022 14:54 utc | 268 @ William Gruff | 233 Posted by: JEN | Oct 13 2022 14:56 utc | 269 Second, I don’t think Ukraine’s electricity supply grid is a smoking ruin. It’s going to take more than two days of missile strikes to accomplish that. I don’t claim to keep tabs on events 24/7, but it seems that after two days, the missile strikes eased off? Posted by: Nobody | Oct 13 2022 15:10 utc | 270 Giyane @267: “Nothing you can do with psychotic racists except what Putin is currently doing , exposing them in public .” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 15:13 utc | 271 Giyane @ 267 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 13 2022 15:20 utc | 272 Lapin | Oct 13 2022 14:45 utc | 269: “My point is how come no-one (including you Gruff) saw at the time that there are two collapses, Or maybe you did ?” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 15:22 utc | 273 Seems SCNF – the French railway company – has pulled out of the Californian railway project. Posted by: Wim | Oct 13 2022 15:24 utc | 274 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 6:30 utc | 144 Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Oct 13 2022 15:31 utc | 275 This being an excellent post that was a pleasure to read (unlike many others on this thread, and in particular those advocating scatology and the use of nuclear weapons or the demolishment of cities — please posters, grow up!) I post it again in full – thank you Grieved! Posted by: juliania | Oct 13 2022 15:31 utc | 276 I have followed and lurked in this bar for a couple of years, first time posting. Thank you, Mr.B for posting, and thank you all bar visitors for the precious posts.I learned so much and in the process have given up on the other sites, claiming to be alt, they disappoint by quoting each other, and playing drama queens ( ohhh, why do they hate us so…) Posted by: stranger | Oct 13 2022 15:32 utc | 277
Sure, every civilization is built on what came before, but that statement is flat out ridiculous. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 13 2022 15:35 utc | 278
Obama’s speeches struck me as having a foundation of truisms, platitudes, and fog, accented by occasional substance. Posted by: David Levin | Oct 13 2022 15:39 utc | 279 Apologies that my 287 comment above does not reproduce the link and offset article in Grieved’s original post. Interested readers should return to the original post for those. Posted by: juliania | Oct 13 2022 15:42 utc | 280 Seems SCNF – the French railway company – has pulled out of the Californian railway project. Posted by: too scents | Oct 13 2022 15:45 utc | 281
As I recall, the title is Confessions of an Economic Hitman and the author’s surname is Perkins. Posted by: David Levin | Oct 13 2022 15:48 utc | 282 @ William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 15:22 utc | 275 Posted by: Lapin | Oct 13 2022 15:49 utc | 283 … Glad to not work for the scum who use that sort of blacklist. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2022 15:52 utc | 284 @ Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 12:25 utc | 220 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 13 2022 15:53 utc | 285 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 13 2022 15:35 utc | 280
Try to do calculus without algebra and you will have your answer.
Would Mendeleev have thought to structure the table of elements if there had not been any systematic classification of chemicals inherited from Jabir Ibn Hayyan?
Try to create a computer language without Al-Gorithms (“Al-Kwarizmi”) and you will have your answer.
And if you fail to be convinced by all that, try to do all the above with Roman Numerals – you shall have your answer:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 16:02 utc | 286 @Paulg | Oct 13 2022 11:04 utc | 202
Send them to Trollheimen. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 13 2022 16:06 utc | 287 UK is an island; London is just few meters above the sea level. One day, in the near future, Kinzhals, Sarmats might visit London and few other places in the UK. And/or there might be an artificial tsunami in the English Channel and in the North Sea. A same type of tsunamis might happen in the Noth Atlantic and in the North Pacific, USA being an Island too. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 13 2022 16:16 utc | 288 @ denk | Oct 13 2022 7:39 utc | 154 Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 16:19 utc | 289 Paulg | Oct 13 2022 16:16 utc | 290 Posted by: Lapin | Oct 13 2022 16:27 utc | 290 @William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 13:18 utc | 233
Yes, laterally or vertically or both at the same time. Dynamic loading and response is different from static loading and response. The equations are not the same. In static loading only stiffness matters, but in dynamic loading mass distribution and damping effects are important. This was a dynamic impulse load. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 13 2022 16:41 utc | 291 @ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 16:02 utc | 288 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 13 2022 16:44 utc | 292 Norwegian | Oct 13 2022 16:41 utc | 293 Posted by: Lapin | Oct 13 2022 16:46 utc | 293 Yo moon, I m the only guy living in Crimea that posts on your website once and awhile, so your pussy moderator has to delete my non toxic posts to make himself feel like Zelinsky?? He must be a jew too. Posted by: Гмк | Oct 13 2022 16:48 utc | 294 @Lapin | Oct 13 2022 16:46 utc | 295 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 13 2022 17:00 utc | 295 “Russian” literary figures who had a total disdain for anything Russian. For some odd reason their background was questionable. Could see right through their Khasarian facades….. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 13 2022 17:00 utc | 297 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2022 17:53 utc | 297 paulg@202 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 19:03 utc | 298 David Levin@284 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 19:29 utc | 299 Norwegian@289 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 19:40 utc | 300 |
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