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October 12, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-170
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A temporary departure from pure fact and reason to dabble a little in eschatology:
Viewed from the Hossein’s eschatological narrative, the entire series of events beginning 100 or more years ago to the present day has had one objective:
To establish a Pax Khazaria – a rule of the ‘State of Israel’ over the Earth. For this Pax Khazaria to be implemented, the Pax Britannica and thereafter the Pax Americana had to be destroyed as well as the Russian Empire:
1. Starting – in 1907 Britain & France ensnared Russia for help against the Ottoman Empire promising that if they win the war they will give Russia Constantinople.
2. Background then: Russia was Orthodox Christian & a Czarist Monarchy
3. Russian Army fighting in the first world war suffered the most losses, the brunt of the losses.
4. Thanks to Russians, the West’s allies were winning & the Ottoman empire was collapsing.
5. As the Russian army was very close to Constantinople, British, French & other allies didn’t want Russia to get Constantinople,
6. So they used Russian Khazars initiated the Bolshevik Revolution which overtook the Russian Monarchy & executed the Czar’s family.
7. Russia lost their Monarchy & their leadership and Constantinole and their government which was replaced by communism later on.
8. The Bolsheviks killed the Czar & his whole family, overtook Russian Monarchy leadership, which ended up taking Russia out of the war, Russians were no longer needed as the Ottomans were defeated.
9. The Russian army had to stop in its tracks & could not get Constantinople.
10. Bolshevism was created to destroy the Russian Orthodox Church, & the Soviet Union was born.
11. For the next 60-70 years the Zionist created entity called Soviet Union waged war on religion in Russia & the other states it contained, waged war on the Russian Orthodox Church, killed the priests, closed down the monasteries, the churches & so on;
12. Then Israel was created.
13. Just after creation of Israel a huge number of Russian Khazars migrated to it.
14. 6 years after Israel came into being Soviet Union handed Crimea to Ukraine region.
15. Crimea was Russian territory, its population majority Russians.
16. Crimea was given as a gift without auto-determination.
17. The Russian navy is located in Crimea & there is a straight line from Crimea to Constantinople.
18. Soviet Union decision makers did not bother to consult the Crimea population nor its Russian population which were a majority.
19. The Soviet Union decision makers did worse by gifting to Ukraine the eastern part (Donbass) which was originally Russian. Why did they gift that land to Ukraine?
20. The same people who created the Soviet Union & gifted Crimea now have a method by which they can cause Soviet Union to collapse.
21. This method aka coloured revolution used in Venezuela, Egypt, Tunisia was also used to destabilise then breakdown the Soviet Union.
22. Imran Hosein comment: it was the Zionists who brought down the Soviet Union. They brought down the Soviet Union because they didn’t need it anymore.
23. This will also happen to Saudi Arabia & Pakistan when they are not needed anymore. They will just be thrown to the dog having served them long enough.
24. They brought down the Soviet Union so that Ukraine emerges as an independent state.
25. Ukraine emerging as an independent state constitutes an existential threat to Russia – “the rope is around Russia’s neck”.
26. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the people of Ukraine still had the good sense of appointing a government that was pro-Russian.
27. The Zionists after 2010 decided that it was time to use a colour revolution with street demonstrations to bring down the pro-Russian government & replace it with an anti Russian government.
28. They have the money, they have people who they can use (Stepan Bandera Nazis) & special forces used as snipers to agitate, so they got what they wanted & a putsch was successful.
29. If by Allah’s kindness Putin had not intervened the new government in Ukraine would have joined NATO & Russia could not stop it.
30. had Ukraine joined NATO, NATO would then send its armed forces including nuclear weapons & missiles into Ukraine.
31. Then in NATO armed with nuclear weapons, Ukraine will pick a fight with Russia & ask it to vacate Crimea, shut down Russia naval base & the rope is now tightened around Russia’s neck.
32. Russia will withdraw its Black Sea fleet from Crimea. & Russia will no longer be a naval power.
33. That was the Zionist Master Plan of the creation of Ukraine to degrade Russia from its naval power.
34. But Allah planned & Allah’s plan was successful. Crimea re-joined Russia through a referendum.
35. Putin delivered the first defeat against the Zionist movement since it was established in its 100 years of existence.
36. Putin thwarted the Zionist masterplan to use Ukraine to degrade Russia after Zionists dismantled the Soviet Union.
Finally:
According to Imran Hosein Zionists are working now to dismantle European Union as they did Soviet Union, also to dismantle United States so they remain as the only superpower in Israel with Jerusalem the World’s Capital, this can only happen with a nuclear war.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:40 utc | 101
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:43 utc | 75
So where does Putin stand on international law … Is Russia going to ignore the vote just like Putin’s partner Israhell does ?
I wasn’t aware that any vote of the General Council of the useless nations carried any force of law. Anywhere.
Could you please enlighten us?
Posted by: T.D. | Oct 13 2022 2:44 utc | 102
@Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:00 utc | 63
A major UN vote today that Demands that the Russian Federation immediately and unconditionally reverse its decisions. . .
The UN General Assembly has no authority to make demands, only recommendations. . .here. In fact if all the General Assembly demands here against Israel were honored that country would no longer exist.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 13 2022 2:55 utc | 103
“Fascinating interview with Former Putin Advisor, Andrei Illarionov:
….”
LOL that guy sounds stupid. Hes saying Putin wants to change world order towards authoritarian leaders like himself and Xi.
Dude forgets USA has been propping up authoritarian leaders all over the world to keep hedgemony. Starting from the Saudis, Israelis, Iraq, Chile/Pinochet, Nicaragua and so many governments in Latin America, the list would be in the dozens.
What a joke this guy is. And his entire logic is flawed.
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 13 2022 1:42 utc | 86
Not only is the US government propping up authoritarian regimes around the world, but it is also itself an authoritarian regime.
Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 13 2022 3:04 utc | 104
Arch Bungle,
Most of that is probably true. I respect your research, but when I was coming up to 16 years old, I bought possibly the cheapest radio kit, that worked in High Definition FM in Full Stereo in England.
Clive Sinclair’s Project 60 kit..
Only The BBC Radio 3 did High Definition FM in Full Stereo in England (
probably the radio)
So I connected all the bits together…built the cabinet my self and also The Richard Allan Speakers (still got them)
And the First thing I heard was The Beach Boys in Full Stereo (though they had recorded it in mono?)
I reckon The BBC had the original tapes – not the mono published stuff.
So I am listening to The Beach Boys now.
We saw the main man once.. i forget his name
– but he came over to do a few festivals, 10 -15 years ago.
I don’t hate Americans.
I don’t hate anyone.
It’s not their fault, that they are completely evil and mad.
They were born that way.
Nothing to do with us English, so far as know
Why are you being horrible to Julian Assange?
What has he ever done to you?
Except tell you the truth about how evil you Americans are.
Tony
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 13 2022 3:07 utc | 105
We know that the Russian strikes have effected a partial kind of blackout on Ukraine, but here is commentary from Russia that says there is a definite pattern to these strikes (from the ever excellent and often neglected Stalker Zone):
The Second Day of Enlightenment: How Vladimir Putin Saves the Ukrainian People…
I haven’t seen any commentary anywhere that details the actual shape of the Russian strikes. But it is clear that they are pinpoint and intentional – in other words, what is being hit is precisely what is chosen to be hit by Russia.
And what is chosen to be hit?
Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Poltava, Kiev, Lvov regions were without electricity. Please pay attention – regions, not regional centres. Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and Lvov were plunged into darkness not because of damage to substations, but because the power system itself was being rebuilt and balanced there. There will still be blackouts in major cities, even rolling ones. For the short term, residential areas will not suffer much if the power engineers understand the rules of the game in time.
The nature of the damage invites repair teams to restore some energy facilities very quickly, while others should be strictly avoided. Although a few dozen meters to the left and right … and the damage could become irreversible in some places. But the missiles hit everywhere they were needed: strategic objects (for the most part) remained operational, the main damage fell on regional substations and individual cities. It was there that they sat with kindling sticks and lanterns.
[…]
The so-called Burshtyn “energy island”, which sends “independent” megawatts to Hungary, Slovakia, Romania. And the Dobrotvor thermal power plant balances the system. The entire complex belongs to Rinat Akhmetov and is isolated from the general energy system of Ukraine. It was in the heart of his empire that the Kalibrs and other precision-guided missiles were sent. So that the Khmelnitsky nuclear power plant starts to fill the energy deficit in the central regions of Ukraine, depriving the country of a strategic reserve for generating electricity in case of peak loads.
If the task had been to drive the earth from Odessa to Lvov into the Stone Age, fewer missiles would have been needed, targeting completely different targets. As the Americans did in Serbia, Iraq and Syria. Now, with surgical precision, Ukraine has been put on a prison half-starvation ration, with the exact calculation: there will be enough electricity for the civilian population and key life-support enterprises. Not without economisation, but enough. And you will try again to make a profit with surpluses, for which European countries are churning out weapons … we will “Kalibr-ate” the system again.
So the scheme of the Russian strikes is laid out here as being one that destroys the oligarch ability to export Ukraine’s electricity to neighboring countries, and maintains the supply in general to the civilian population. With the implicit warning that if you restore the circuits to the west, they will be destroyed, but if you restore the circuits to the general populace, they will be preserved.
This indicates a degree of “tuning” that I hadn’t understood to exist, but which makes great sense. If any here have some understanding of electrical grids (and I know there are some people), it might be useful to study this commentary and to offer your own opinions.
We thought a certain note was being sounded by Russia in its strikes on Ukraine, but it seems that an even finer tune is being played. I would love to hear that tune in a better appreciation.
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By the way, this article is by “Historical Thimbles” – and I have no idea who this is but we have seen really good analysis from this author before, so that carries a certain weight also.
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 13 2022 3:23 utc | 106
@ Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:51 utc | 91
thanks turk… well i have no idea what your background is… were you around for the syria war in 2012, and russias entrance in approx 2014-2015? were you following the dynamic in ukraine in 2014 or before? flight mh 17? what about the skripal affair in the uk? you see, it is my observation a lot of money is being spent on regime change in russia in a round about way, but it has been unsuccessful… the putin meme has a lot of history generated out of usa-uk primarily… i heard the cdc was given a billion to push a particular narrative with regard to covid.. i suspect the amount of money being poured into influencing people over this topic is quite significant which is why i am a bit cynical over the opinions of washington based Andrei Illarionov, but more generally too… it seems like a real echo chamber of phony, contrived bullshit to me.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 3:25 utc | 107
fyi
interesting. I can’t find much to disagree with Ritter about Ukraine. but his take on the US attack against Iraq in 2002 is another matter, to me.
https://sputniknews.com/20221011/every-russian-target-struck-is-legitimate-under-laws-of-war-ex-us-intel-officer-says-1101713649.html
Every Russian Target Struck is Legitimate Under Laws of War, Ex-US Intel Officer Says
…Sputnik: To what extent is the West responsible for the present situation, given how many weapons it has pumped into Ukraine?
Scott Ritter: The West is 100% responsible for the totality of this conflict. First of all, let’s start with the West’s involvement in the Maidan coup that saw the legitimate government of Ukraine replaced with this right-wing neo-Nazi-affiliated monstrosity that currently exists today, and then the West’s unwillingness or inability to compel Ukraine to implement the diplomatic solution that was put forward by the Normandy format – the Germans, the French, the Russians observing, the Ukrainian government promising. That didn’t happen. We know why, it was a sham, again, according to Poroshenko, a sham designed to buy time so that NATO could train the Ukrainian military capable of resolving the Donbass situation by military force.
This is the West’s fault. The West trained the Ukrainian military. The West never backed away from NATO expansion. The West rejected Russia’s diplomatic outreach in December of last year, and then the West has turned what could have been a limited military engagement into a full-scale strategic conflict between the collective West, inclusive of NATO, and Russia on Ukrainian soil. The West provided the weapons, the West provided the intelligence, the West provided the training, the West provided the communication, the West provided the logistics. This is a war between NATO, other European allies, using Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia. They’re 100% responsible for everything that has happened and will happen in Ukraine…..”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 13 2022 3:26 utc | 108
” I wasn’t aware that any vote of the General Council of the useless nations carried any force of law. Anywhere.
Could you please enlighten us?
Posted by: T.D. | Oct 13 2022 2:44 utc | 102 ”
You are correct and neither do the dictates of the Security Council as, ultimately, the UN would never go against any of the permanent members, and of course its not a law in the enforceable sense but if Putin is such a fan of ” democratic rule “, ” international law ” and ” multi-polarity ” then he has to admit that the opinion of so many nations is correct by default. Dont blame me, Putin walked into this trap himself.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 13 2022 3:31 utc | 109
” So, according to your ‘logic’, the salvation of the Western world rests on a fuel deal between a mafia state and a colonial occupier who could break out in war at any point.
Like I said: Stick a fork in it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:57 utc | 95 ”
Absolutely not, but Hezbollah’s sheepish docility on the matter is very telling.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 13 2022 3:37 utc | 110
@ Grieved | Oct 13 2022 3:23 utc | 106
thanks for the link! i liked these 2 paragraphs from the article.. the whole article is good!
“I don’t know how much longer the “Kalibr-ation” and balancing of Ukraine’s energy system and (indirectly) Western consumers will last, but Vladimir Putin and the military act methodically and carefully. This impact is not directed at Kiev, but much further. So that smart people can count, estimate (if there are still such people left) what kind of hole they have fallen into, or they can dive even deeper. If the rampant attraction of generosity with the supply of weapons is not stopped.
The energy crisis is just beginning, and it will reach its peak by the beginning of spring. When a third of European industry simply goes bankrupt (if not more), those who are lucky will be evacuated by the Americans. But the masses of unemployed people will start asking the authorities questions. Like refugees from the Middle East and Africa, who are going to have their benefits reduced. And Ukrainians arriving in commodity quantities. And on the approach of a new stream of hungry people, how the food crisis will fully affect.”
@ michaelj72 | Oct 13 2022 3:26 utc | 108
thanks michael! i agree with scott ritter on all that!
Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 3:39 utc | 111
haitilibre | Oct 12 2022 18:11 utc | 6
Why the vastly different treatment of Haitians and Ukrainians?
Black v white. Yes. But not the way you think.
Haiti has already been raped and stripped to the bones… no…to the sinews over 200-300 years. There’s nothing there now worth having…. and it has no geopolitical value…. other than being a dumpster fire that keeps anyone else from having any interest in co-opting a territory right in the U$ sphere.
Ukraine. Still has a few assets. And the U$ is using it as a dumpster fire on Russia’s border. With the hope the dumpster fire might ignite something in Russia itself.
There’s a reason it’s “geo” politics. Geography outranks politics.
Haiti has no “geo” to offer….
Australia was a forgotten wasteland for a millennium. Once it became more accessible in the age of sail, it found a useas a garbage dump for human refuse… the lower class useless eaters of the Brutish Isles. (and to keep the French and other European rivals away)
It’s useful now as an outpost for military bases to “contain” and antagonise China….. and in 50 years (over or under) it’s fate is likely to revert to being an irrelevant remote wasteland. A giant nature reserve… this new government has declared 30% of the continent will be reserved ….
Maybe given enough time(millennium) we’ll evolve a new catalog of bizarre flora and fauna….
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 13 2022 3:51 utc | 112
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 13 2022 3:23 utc | 106
So the scheme of the Russian strikes is laid out here as being one that destroys the oligarch ability to export Ukraine’s electricity to neighboring countries, and maintains the supply in general to the civilian population. With the implicit warning that if you restore the circuits to the west, they will be destroyed, but if you restore the circuits to the general populace, they will be preserved.
Sheer genius. I have shown before how Putin is indeed playing a 6D game of chess and this just proves that his intellect is far and beyond that of the combined West.
If the notion of R2P ever had any credibility to begin with then Putin is showing the world how it should be done.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 3:51 utc | 113
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 13 2022 3:37 utc | 110
Absolutely not, but Hezbollah’s sheepish docility on the matter is very telling.
Check back in one month. You’re jumping to conclusions to early.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 3:54 utc | 114
The chief differences being that Donetsk is part of Ukraine according to international law, and that Donetsk city is intact and bustling after “8 years of genocidal shelling” while Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, etc. are uninhabitable piles of rubble after a few months of “slow and careful advances prioritizing the safety of civilians”.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:46 utc | 77
The irony is that it is first and foremost because of people exactly like you, who thought and think like you, who didn’t want to see the upcoming effects of their indifference wether it was with regard to the shelling of Russian-speaking territories, the Minsk agreements and the rising of Ukrainian neo nazism, that the war broke out.
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Oct 13 2022 3:56 utc | 115
The Crimean bridge makes an ideal target for tactical nuke – big impact, low loss of civilian lives.
I would think that Russia should have response prepared for such an event.
Posted by: jared | Oct 13 2022 4:00 utc | 116
” Check back in one month. You’re jumping to conclusions to early.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 3:54 utc | 114 ”
Deal. Its noted.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 13 2022 4:09 utc | 117
The US is trumpeting a UN vote today.
On other days, it just ignores them:
“U.N. Votes Overwhelmingly To Condemn U.S. Decision On Jerusalem” https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/21/572565091/u-n-votes-overwhelmingly-to-condemn-trumps-jerusalem-decision
“UN General Assembly calls for US to end Cuba embargo for 29th consecutive year” https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/06/1094612
“Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
“US violating UNSC resolutions instead of abiding by them”
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/161231/US-violating-UNSC-resolutions-instead-of-abiding-by-them
Posted by: DocHollywood | Oct 13 2022 4:12 utc | 118
Ukrainians enacted an egregious ritual of racism against one of Russia’s greatest persons of color, a son of both Russia and Africa:
“Pushkin is a symbol of Russian imperialism, the personification of the ‘great mighty Russian language,’ a marker of the Russian world and identity,” said Oleg Slabospitskiy, Coordinator of the Public Sector of Euromaidan civil action group, accusing the poet of propagating “Ukrainophobia” and “hatred of Ukrainians and Poles.”
Proof once again that cancel culture holds no benefit to our brothers of the darker persuasion.
Pushkin monument demolished in Kiev
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 4:13 utc | 119
Posted by: DocHollywood | Oct 13 2022 4:12 utc | 118
That can’t be right! Someone just told me on this very forum that it’s “international law” …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 4:14 utc | 120
Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:13 utc | 47
Tv show.. U$ guy tells Brutish guy politicians (players) change, but the team admin remains constant.
Yeah. True. But the line was stolen from Sir Humphrey Appleby of BBC Yes. Minister and Yes. Prime Minister series…
I’m not looking for a link…. But basically….. ministers come and go, but not the Civil Service guys…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 13 2022 4:16 utc | 121
Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 21:48 utc | 51
Original final credit of rocky 3:
“This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan.”
Fading shot of Stallone with CIA pet islamists.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 13 2022 4:24 utc | 122
From Xinhuanet
MOSCOW, Oct. 12 (Xinhua) — Russia is ready to deliver additional volumes of natural gas to the European Union in the autumn-winter period, President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday.
One of the two branches of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline has survived the recent leak incident and Russia is willing to send gas through it to Europe, Putin said at the plenary session of the “Russian Energy Week” international forum in Moscow.
“Its capacity is 27.5 billion cubic meters per year, which is about 8 percent of all gas imports of Europe. Russia is ready to start such deliveries. The ball is on the side of the European Union,” he said.
Russia could also transfer the lost volumes through the Nord Stream pipelines to the Black Sea region and create key supply routes to Europe via Türkiye, “if, of course, our partners are interested in this,” he added.
At the forum, Putin expressed concerns about unstable energy prices and an imbalance in supply and demand, and he criticized certain countries “who are guided solely by their own geopolitical ambitions, resort to outright discrimination in the market.”
He called the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines “an act of international terrorism.”
Putin said that those behind the sabotage sought to break ties completely between Russia and the European Union, weaken Europe’s industrial potential and seize the market.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 13 2022 4:39 utc | 123
Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 3:25 utc | 107
I understand the depths of depravity that is US foreign policy, but the USSR under Stalin was far worse. I just don’t understand what Putin’s Russia really is. Whenever, I hear him speak he seems like a great leader, but I will admit that I thought the same about Obama. A Russian living here in the US told me that US politicians are angels compared to Russian politicians.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 4:43 utc | 124
Grieved@106
Fascinating perspective you’ve passed along regarding the Russian chess game orchestrated with such precision versus the electrical grid in Ukraine. Yes, it would be interesting if someone reads that Thimble post who is conversant with the operations of those grids.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 4:49 utc | 125
michaelj72@108
True that the collectivized West has been responsible for the full development of the war in Ukraine. We must always bear in mind that the puppet regimes which comprise the “West” are the creatures of the Talmudist agenda as enforced by the Bank$ters and their minions, along with the Khazarian Mafiya. So the primary perps are those who rule in City of London; on Wall $treet and in Brighton Beach in Brooklyn.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 4:56 utc | 126
@ Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 4:43 utc | 124
i would be very careful believing anything you hear or read… that is rule #1…
Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 4:57 utc | 127
By the way, this article is by “Historical Thimbles” – and I have no idea who this is but we have seen really good analysis from this author before, so that carries a certain weight also.
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 13 2022 3:23 utc | 106
What a great post and what a great, intelligent, pinpoint bombardment!! I try very hard to retain a modicum of skepticism about all this but Putin keeps impressing. The entire RF modus operandi seems like a historic lesson in statecraft and geopolitical morality.
DeepLorrible @109
It is well to bear in mind that the mass of nations which voted in favor of blaming Russia are still cowering under control of their financial reality by the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements. Do have a read of “I was an Economic Hitman” to get some insights into these facts. Those nations have been squeezed into situations where they oblige themselves to be tied down by these Bank$ter entities by incurring indebtedness in order to pay for various “improvements” in their lands.
It’s all about Talmudist Babylonian Money Magick and the strategies of blackmail and bribery. Just consider the U$$A Congre$$ in the Di$trict of Corruption…cases in point are the “how did they do that fortunes ” amassed by the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Senator McConnell during their time of modestly paid “public servants”.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 5:03 utc | 129
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 13 2022 3:31 utc | 109
… if Putin is such a fan of “democratic rule”, “international law” and “multi-polarity” then he has to admit that the opinion of so many nations is correct by default.
Disagree. The member states voting in such plenary sessions are not stakeholders/citizens in the conflict in question and thus have no right to consider their votes as having any sort of ‘democratic’ bearing on the controversy even though they are votes.
Only the people involved in the conflict have votes which matter, namely the residents in the areas experiencing conflict. That is why the referenda recently conducted were profoundly democratic. And the UN member states who have refused to accept them as such are indeed anti-democratic.
I think the entire UN should be abolished immediately. It’s a huge con. It needs to go. It does far more harm than good by being there because it is a classic form of controlled opposition, or placebo if you prefer: people think that because there is an institution called the United Nations that there is any sort of shared unity of purpose, law and vision. There isn’t. It’s a con. I hope Russia and China walk away soon.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8XDlUp8y9Xk
11 October
Sergey Lavrov:… The question of the relationship between the right to self-determination and the principle of territorial integrity, after many years of debate, was resolved in the UN Declaration on Principles of International Law of 1970, which confirms the inviolability of the territorial integrity or political unity of states, provided that they have governments representing all the people living in the territory.
Posted by: Linda Wood | Oct 13 2022 5:21 utc | 131
Psychohistorian@one-two-three
Amazing, all right, how V.V. Putin remains on top of his game. No doubt the more informed elements amongst the European public will read his statement regarding the remaining segment of NordStream Two being open for business with the acceleratingly fuel deprived nations in the Sanctions zone.
Though honest and even somewhat conscientious, this move by the Russian president is a masterpiece of psychological warfare.
Should word of this magnanimous offer become common knowledge in the half-frozen homes of everyday Europeans, the potential fallout against their Bank$ter appointed rulers in Brussels and in their homel
It may be particularly interesting to keep one’s eye on the streets of Paris, where there are long memories of popular revolutions, revolts and Resistance. The whipped puppy Germans, still hobbled by their status of an occupied nation by U$$A nuclear-armed forces, may or may not successfully remove their Berlin regime of lickspittles.
However, should the French get their dandruff’s up sufficiently to remove Macaroni, the Paris branch of the Rottenchild Crime Clan’s little lap poodle, perhaps the half-frozen Krauts will finally say “enough is enough” and shut off the juice for Ramstein and other occupation centers.after kicking the asses of Scholz and the Watermelon Greens.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 5:26 utc | 132
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:40 utc | 101
“According to Imran Hosein Zionists are working now to dismantle European Union as they did Soviet Union, also to dismantle United States so they remain as the only superpower in Israel with Jerusalem the World’s Capital, this can only happen with a nuclear war.”
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WOW! That all flowed together very well. More need to be able to see how this history all comes together. And understand the flimsy shell corporation nature of the countries we keep projecting as sovereign polities using terms like ‘US’ and ‘UK’ and ‘Germany’ and ‘Europe’ and so forth. Empire of Lies indeed.
Reality as unending psyop…
Keyboard glitch on my 132:
continued from “homel” into their homelands will “take it to the streets”.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 5:30 utc | 134
Turk@124:
Would that “Russian” you met on the street have been a real Russian or a Sakharov Khazarian? There are not very many ethnic Russians running around on American streets. But a mass of Yiddischers migrated here in the latter 20th Century. Their points of view may be somewhat skewed and not infrequently biased.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 5:33 utc | 135
Scorpion@130
Another astute posting.
The con becomes obvious once we cogitate a bit on the origin of the very site on which the UN building sits. It was “donated” by the Rottenfeller Crime Clan, the perpetraitors of such gems as the Trilateral Commission and the Club of Rome.
The choice of NYC was also an imposition of power by the world’s first user of nuclear weaponry. It could have readily been established in then still neutral Switzerland in buildings already extant since the era of the League of Nations in Geneva.
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 5:40 utc | 136
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 5:33 utc |
A smart, hardworking tradesman (with a Ukrainian crew) in the Pacific Northwest, he sure seemed Russian.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 5:47 utc | 137
Turk@137
Thanks for the clarification. How long had the guy been in the U.$. and having left Russia?
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 6:01 utc | 138
bit of conversation around zels choice of tshirts the other day. Come to the dark side space theme. i guess they arent even tryn to hide it.
http://T.me/InessaS1992
Posted by: hankster | Oct 13 2022 6:07 utc | 139
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 6:01 utc |
He has a 10 -15 years in the US accent, in his late 30s
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 6:08 utc | 140
The Ukrainian MoD claimed that they shot down a little over half the missiles/drones that were fired be the Russians over the last two days.
Propaganda rags like ISW have, of course, parroted those claims as being self-evident truths.
Does anyone know of any even halfway-objective independent analysis of that claim?
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 6:17 utc | 141
Inconsequential trolling is an oxymoron yet persists. This tells everyone else how badly they’re doing.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 13 2022 6:19 utc | 142
denk | Oct 13 2022 8:35 utc | 143 “Am I the only one sick of FUKUSA aka AUKUS
BS ?”
You are not the only one sick of the arse end of humanity.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 6:30 utc | 143
I should have made that the scouring and flyblown woolly rear of humanity to be more polite. The stench is not good. It seems Russia is the shearers that have to do the dirty work.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 6:35 utc | 144
@ Linda Wood | Oct 13 2022 5:21 utc | 131
I posted an incorrect link earlier to Foreign Minister Lavrov’s remarks about the UN Declaration on the inviolability of territorial integrity. The following link has more of his comments about that legal issue, stated similarly, but I will try to find the correct link for the quotation.
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1833089/
Posted by: Linda Wood | Oct 13 2022 6:43 utc | 145
Bugger this. The attack apart from the trolls, the recent attack and outage on MOA has really effed up the comments section.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 6:50 utc | 146
I’m Polish Ukrainian, my father came over after the war ended from a Nazi occupied village.
Gully Foyle @ 48
Your father is Polish, who had been living in what’s called Ukraine, before the war, or after the war, is that correct? You don’t live in Poland, right?
My neighbor is a Ukrainian who came after the wall fell.
He hates the Jews.That’s normal for all those, who call them Ukrainians, whether they live in Ukraine or outside it.
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 13 2022 6:58 utc | 147
Larry Johnson’s latest, a superb demolition of the hypocrisy and 100% direct projection exhibited by the empire’s lies about Russia and the war.
https://sonar21.com/can-the-flood-of-lies-about-ukraine-and-russia-be-staunched/
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 13 2022 7:00 utc | 148
Endless US taxpayer funded wars are driven by neocon parasites’ fear of ordinary Americans, per Robert Kagan (V. Nuland’s husband): In “reasoning recently advanced by Robert Kagan….Kagan argued (with surprising frankness)” that “U.S. empire abroad is required…to preserve the myth of ‘democracy’ at home. An America that retreats from global hegemony, he argues, would no longer possess the cohesive binding to preserve America as liberal democracy, at home either.”…3/15/2021, “Leviathan Mobilises for Decisive Battle,” Alastair Crooke…US bombs everyone, treats everyone like garbage, but no one stands up to US. The UN no longer exists except to support US genocides. UN backed US 2014 violent overthrow of Ukr. The Russian Federation is the only entity on the planet to take action to stop US. If RF can’t stop US, then US must be broken up into at least 3 parts. US taxpayers must be separated from the Pentagon.
Posted by: susan mullen | Oct 13 2022 7:01 utc | 149
The UN General Assembly condemned the illegal annexations of the occupied territories of Ukraine…
Does the real-world care about that?
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 13 2022 7:10 utc | 150
Western nations had undertaken a significant lobbying effort to make sure Thursday’s resolution passed and celebrated the victory as a reinvigorated sign of support for Ukraine.
The General Assembly’s resolutions, while indicative of global attitude, are not legally binding.
That’s all there is to it. Just another western PR action. T
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 13 2022 7:32 utc | 151
You are not the only one sick of the arse end of humanity.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 6:30 utc | 143
———–
Nearly miss your post.
It was bumped upstairs !
Joke of the century..
FUKUSA aka AUKUS whining about their ‘too stringent rules of engagement’, [sic].
Meaning they’ve been fighting all those wars ‘with one hand tied behind their back’
roflmao !
u cant make this shit up man !
THREAT TO LIFE
UK fighting with ‘one hand tied behind our backs to keep our way of life’ amid Russia and China tensions, MI5 boss warns
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4724200/russia-china-spying-uk-mi5-boss-warns/
Posted by: denk | Oct 13 2022 7:37 utc | 152
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 13 2022 2:36 utc | 100
But how many hoplites can dance on the ramparts of Alexander’s great wall of steel?
Why assume it was Alexander? My money is on Cyrus …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 8:05 utc | 154
Posted by: Andy | Oct 13 2022 10:42 utc | 157
Re. UN vote, no one really cares outside the west nor will remember it after a week at most. If you discount forcible, bribed or threatened and all the vassal votes forced by the US, you get left with very few genuine opinions.
The main thing is India and China abstained which is a tacit disapproval of globohomo stance.
Posted by: unimperator |
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 8:16 utc | 155
denk | Oct 13 2022 8:35 utc | 154 “Russia/China with the rest of world should push for an inquisition on FUKUSA aka AUKUS crimes against humanities in the UN, [1]”
I for one would like to see Washington, London and Canberra nuked for their war crimes and ideology.
The multi polar world is something different. Bringing about peace rather than recrimination and reparations. Putin’s world. I put in a comment to myself and the few who happen to read it at my Russian facebook account. The gulf Arans and turkey, the change that has occurred there since Russias entry into Syria. They are now all headed for the multi-polar world including sawbones. Speaking softly, understanding the causes of war, diplomacy and respectful negotiation, along with carrying an effin great military stick held idly by your side works wonders in the age of the US gangster protection racket. Something for the history books to be put alongside Sun Tzu. Putin’s world.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 8:17 utc | 156
I have followed this site for a long time and this is my first post. Two points that are sometimes ignored. It is the nation formation in (rump) Ukraine since 1991 and then the namegiving “nazi” which is loosely applied.
It is a truism when Biden said this week that the Russians did not grasp the mentality change in Ukraine since 1991. The FSB and its foreign intelligence gathering should have listened to the ethnologists and ethnopsychologists. Russia has good ones but the speciality was frowned upon Soviet times.
With Ukraine I mean “rump” Ukraine, a landlocked country without the seceding republics and Odessa (in the future). A nation formation has taken place since 1991. The core of it is the banderist ideology from West Ukraine.
In these columns we often use the terms ethnic Russian and Russian speaker indiscrimately. There are a lot of Russian speakers in Central Ukraine but they are bilingual. They switch without a problem. I know some Russian speaking Ukrainians here in Belgium. Some arrived already before 2014 when migration became easier. It struck me they were not really anti Russian, but I now understand it was because they at that time reasoned that Russia had done a better job (standard of living, economical development). Now when I talk to them they are virulently anti Russian. They say that language restrictions in Ukraine do not matter because they all switch according to the situation. It is, they say, like dialect and standard language.
We will have to live with a virulently anti Russian rump state. It derives its (negative) identity from the scapegoating of Russia for the failings of their own state. But the banderist ideology is also anti Polish. The Poles know that. There is the excellent book on banderism by the historian Grzegorz Rossolinski-Liebe “Stepan Bandera. The life and afterlife of a Ukrainian Nationalist. Fascism, genocide and cult”. The banderist ideology has infected large swathes of rump Ukraine through their hold on education and media since 1991. You can say that a large part of the population has a Stockholm Syndrome relationship with the banderists.
But even a negative identity for a nation formation is an identity. What does denazification then mean? In this case it means “containment”, like the “containment of communism” doctrine of the 1950ies and 60ies. It means you keep it within strict limits like an infected area that is cordoned off. The landlocked Ukraine will be cordoned off from the east and the south. If Poland and rump Ukraine further integrate, Poland will have to perform some denazification of its own, otherwise they will not be able to survive there. They will have to abolish the banderist celebrations and oblige them to adopt a low profile. Otherwise West Ukraine will transit to a chronical civil war and guerrilla war as it was in the 1920ies and 30ies there during Polish rule. The Poles will have an excruciating task on their hands for decades. Moreover the Poles are looking for compensations (and not only from Germany). They have property claims amounting to 5 billion already in the western provinces which were Polish up to 1940.
A last word about the term “nazi” loosely used in these columns. Nazi historically stood for National Socialism. Nazi Germany had free health care for its own citizens, old age pensions, a good labour accident insurance. In Ukraine little of that sort. The Iranian journalist Mazaheri from presstv calls them “Nali” instead of “Nazi”. “Nali” is a combination of extreme nationalism and extreme neoliberalism. In Ukraine you have zero hour contracts, next to zero social protection, total privatization scheduled of all services and land property. But you also have the props of wokeism. You can have a torch march one evening and a gay pride the next day. Klaus Schwab’s mentor is the Israeli American futurologist Yuval Harari. He shamelessly promotes in his youtube videos Ukraine as… a model of democracy for the West and especially the politically very divided US: the (extreme) left and (extreme) right living together without too many problems.
This shows the attitude of Davos. According to Harari the Russians bring the world back to the old ages while most of the world had left behind old warfare… In the Davos 2022 session the former Russian pavilion was devoted to.. the Russian war crimes…
The really stupid thing about US trying to get rid of Putin is that whoever replaces him will turn the US into a sheet of glass.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 8:20 utc | 158
“This is correct. Russia is using the Shaheds to dismantle remaining Ukrainian air defense in preparation for a strategic air campaign. This is why NATO has in the last 24 hours made it a matter of highest urgency to provide air defense systems.”
another comment below
“20$ grand kamikaze biplane with anti radar ability to hunt a $1.5mill AMRAAM per missile NASMS battery is not a economical way to wage a war for NATO.”
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1580370184665149440
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 8:27 utc | 159
Looks like you have achieved something with the WEF denk, they keep moving you to top spot in this comment section. Makes a mess of the numbering and continuation of conversation threads though.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 8:32 utc | 160
True to form…
USAss accusing Russia of ‘war crimes’
Russia will be held accountable for its atrocities and war crimes
The United States has strongly condemned Russia’s missile strikes on Ukrainian cities and stated it will continue efforts to hold Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia accountable for all atrocities and war crimes
.
Am I the only one sick of FUKUSA aka AUKUS
BS ?
Russia/China with the rest of world should push for an inquisition on FUKUSA aka
AUKUS crimes against humanities in the UN, [1]
hERE’S exhibit A
Wasting Fallujah
Targeting civis, ambulance, hospitals, water/sewage/power plants,.
WMD rained on an entire city.
Shooting fish in a barrel.
From the horse mouth…
https://tinyurl.com/3aumnh2r
[1]
its not even ‘war crimes’ but slaughtering defenseless civis..
Posted by: denk | Oct 13 2022 8:35 utc | 161
Ukrainian S-300 apparently hit itself near Odessa trying to hit the Geran-2 drone.
https://t.me/absolutelyweimar/1400
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 8:35 utc | 162
SCOTT RITTER: Pipelines v. USA
Intent, motive and means: People serving life sentences in U.S. prisons have been convicted on weaker grounds than the circumstantial evidence against Washington for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines.
New article by Scott Ritter over at Consortium News
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/10/12/scott-ritter-pipelines-v-usa/
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Oct 13 2022 8:37 utc | 163
@ 156 unimpertator
The main thing is India and China abstained which is a tacit disapproval of globohomo stance.
Russia got 4 countries to support its position. Everyone else voted against or sat on the fence. That is the ‘main thing’. No BRIC country (Russia aside) voted in support of Russia. Brazil voted against Russia. If a multipolar world order is in the offing you’re going to need more than 4 countries to support you.
Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 8:38 utc | 164
I for one would like to see Washington, London and Canberra nuked for their war crimes and ideology.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 8:17 utc | 157
————————-
Peter,
More gems…
gringo war pigs whining…
No fair.
Fighting With One Hand Tied Behind Our Back in Vietnam and Afghanistan
They had practically thrown everything including the bathtub at the VC….except the nukes.
May be thats exactly whats left unsaid,
Would’ve won the war in a day if we dropped the A bomb on the !@#$%!
Posted by: denk | Oct 13 2022 8:43 utc | 165
related to electricity grid comment/quote from Grieved | Oct 13 2022 3:23 utc | 106
Hi, I do not know how good/accurate this is from YT Military Summary And Analysis 12.10.2022 – see from 1 min to 11 mins – using Rybar map of power plants/grid – he reviews the current electricity grid situation, it’s weaknesses and restraints the Russians probably face. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-v43eprObA
Suspects Russians set the ground work so that power supply ex-ukraine to the western nations will be continually targeted if those lines are repaired – but repairs to local grid cities maybe not be hit again.
Then he makes conjectures what he thinks Russians can do going forward, noting at present they are likely observing Ukrainian responses to fix the system. NPPs in the west cannot be targeted, and notes differences between 330Kv and 750Kv supply lines around the country, especially intense grid connected thru Kiev. That it’s possible the grid can be shut down completely east of the Dnieper river (impacting military supply lines etc), but not in the west due to NNPs. (make of it what you will)
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 13 2022 8:43 utc | 166
Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 8:38 utc | 165
Russia got 4 countries to support its position.
It is meaningless who votes against you.
All that matters is who trades with you.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 8:44 utc | 167
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 5:08 utc | 130
The League of Nations was the precursor to the United Nations. The League of Nations was founded after the first World war, lost credibility in the run-up to the Second World War, and was broken up after the second World War.
If the United Nations meets the same fate as the League of Nations, diplomats will lose a convenient meeting place. Some people in the Geneva service sector will lose income. But the center of power is moving to Asia at breakneck speed. In the future, Europe will matter little. I imagine the US will be licking its wounds, with a few die-hard politicians trying to resurrect a US sphere of influence, a bit like American Zhirinovskis.
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 13 2022 8:45 utc | 168
It is meaningless who votes against you.
All that matters is who trades with you.
Arch Bungle @ 168
Absolutely!
(By the way, don’t feed the Liz Truss’ troll.)
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 13 2022 8:50 utc | 169
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 13 2022 8:45 utc | 169
There will be a new UN system centered in the Beijing-Delhi axle, Mongolia or some SE Asian country. Whether rump west wants to join it or not immediately is irrelevant. They will, eventually, if they want to continue trading.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 8:53 utc | 170
… Your position is without honor or decency, in short: deplorable. …
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 0:36 utc | 79
I was surprised the other day when you seemed to lack a working definition of trolling and then take a dim view of regulars who’d suffered to be dragged down by incessant trolling.
You do have a grasp of it, but I would say that it boils down to a lack of integrity. These troll positions are fundamentally artificial, not straightforwardly formed or held, points in support of a sponsored agenda cannot be conceded on merit, an unmistakable trait. Ulterior motives define a troll’s apparent stance.
I know you disapprove of this sort of characterisation but to me they are nothing more than piss-ant cockroaches, internet blockwarts, the almost-cheapest seats in the entire western intelligence racket.
They could reform in an instant, with a completely clean slate, I wonder if you know why they don’t.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2022 8:56 utc | 171
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 13 2022 8:45 utc | 169
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 5:08 utc | 130
The UN became a completely discredited organisation when the OPCW started fabricating chemical weapons evidence in Syria:
Ian Henderson @ UN Security Council Arria-Formula Meeting – Implementation of UNSCR 2118: OPCW FFM Report on Douma January 20, 2020
Thanks to people like Ian Henderson we now know the extent to which the UN and it’s organs have been corrupted by the CIA.
Such an organisation has lost all mandate to determine ‘law’ and all moral high ground or authority to determine consensus.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 8:57 utc | 172
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 8:35 utc | 163
So in the process of trying to destroy a suicide drone .. it became a suicide drone.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 9:08 utc | 173
Germany was laways going to send the Iris-T SL missile system to Ukraine, and it will send its more advanced Iris-T SLM missile system in November.
“Recently, the German Ministry of Defense announced the delivery of at least four Iris-T SL air defense systems to the Kiev regime forces. A military convoy was spotted in the vicinity of the city of Katowice in southern Poland. Reports indicate that it was heading from Germany toward Ukraine. At least three German IRIS-T SLS (the short-range version) SAM systems are seen in the photos that were taken at night. The decision to supply the system was considered back in May, but was postponed several times.
According to the German media, the final decision to send the weapons to the Kiev regime was made on October 10, immediately after Russian missile and UAV strikes hit dozens of critical military targets across Ukraine.”
It would also appear that Russian forces have an advantage over Nato when it comes to mid- and long range
missiles.
“So far, NATO countries have sent thousands of MANPADS (man-portable air defense systems), but their impact doesn’t go beyond the tactical level. However, most countries of the political West lack mid to long-range SAM systems which could replace the Kiev regime’s losses, as such systems have never been the focus of the Western style of warfare which is based on the concept of air dominance. Thus, even the somewhat longer-range NASAMS, which uses more advanced radar-guided missiles, is extremely unlikely to hurt Russian forces. This is especially true when it comes to Russian missiles, both low-flying subsonic cruise missiles such as the now-legendary “Kalibr” and the high-flying hypersonic missiles like the “Iskander” or “Kinzhal”. The latter is capable of speeds in excess of Mach 12 (approximately 4 km per second), making it virtually impossible to intercept by any means at NATO’s disposal.”
https://southfront.org/can-western-air-defense-systems-help-kiev-regime-forces/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 13 2022 9:09 utc | 174
India is exploring the possibilities of opening a Special Economic Zone (SEZ) in Tanzania – its economic partner in Africa – and bilateral trade in Indian Rupees and Tanzanian Tshilling.
Above is a simple news, but the trend is apparent.
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 13 2022 9:20 utc | 175
◾️ Ukrainian “refugees” gathered outside the Russian consulate in London and called for the murder of all Russian children while repeating the usual Banderite Nazi collaborator slogans.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/11546
Everyone should understand that Ukraine is divided, in the west the so-called Ruthenians, mostly descendants of the Poles. In the east, the Russian Ukrainians. There probably won’t be much left of the Ruthenian areas once all is over.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 9:23 utc | 176
@168 Arch Bungle
It is meaningless who votes against you. All that matters is who trades with you.
It isn’t meaningless. It is an indication of support and the strength and legality of a country’s case within the global community.
Trade is hardly a winning argument either, given trade with Russia is restricted.
Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 9:25 utc | 177
anon2020 | Oct 13 2022 8:56 utc | 172
A good post. I recognize what is occurring when western troll factories and bots swamp the comments, but still, at times put in stupid comments because of anger. I then have to stop reading the MoA comment sections until that anger goes. This western world of media psyops is not good. A mind bending world, especially when all about you are in a trance marching along behind the Anglo pied piper.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 13 2022 9:48 utc | 178
Comandante @86: “LOL that guy sounds stupid. Hes saying Putin wants to change world order towards authoritarian leaders like himself and Xi.”
Many people, including all of those in politics and mass media, say nonsensical things that cannot be reconciled with reality until you realize that the definitions of key words in their utterances are inverted. “Authoritarian” in this case actually means subordinating the interests of the oligarchs as well as business and financial elites to the interests of the general population. It is the rich and powerful under these “regimes” who are facing an uncaring and unresponsive government, not the little folk. The well-off “beautiful people” feel they should have influence (because influence is a commodity like everything else in capitalism) and privilege, but they are reduced to the level of faceless common plebes like you and I before these “authoritarians” like Putin and Xi. The wealthy elites are convinced to their core that the political process should answer to them first and foremost, and when it doesn’t, well… that’s authoritarian in their view. When Putin or Xi smacks an oligarch down, you and I may cheer and celebrate, but the western Establishment and its flunkies are horrified and chilled to the bone.
You can see that if you redefine “authoritarian” leaders as ones prioritizing the well-being of their people in general, and “democratic” leaders as ones who are subordinate to the “democracy” of the Market (ie: they are bought and paid-for whores to the highest bidder) then you can see that the presstitutes, stink-tankers, and politicians (do not need a disparaging term for them as “politician” is bad enough as is) plaintive squealing about the threat posed by “authoritarians” is entirely accurate!
It is all a matter of perspective. Once you can get into these idiots’ heads (yeah, I know it is super cramped and cartoonish in there) you can easily see where the stupidity they spew comes from.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 9:54 utc | 179
@165 Tom “Russia got 4 countries to support its position.”
So, two more than Israel usually gets.
Which never seems to sway Israel from its path now, does it?
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 10:03 utc | 180
@178 Tom
“It isn’t meaningless.”
Sorry, it is meaningless and will be forgotten in a week.
“It is an indication of support and the strength and legality of a country’s case within the global community.”
Nonsense. It is an indication of who the USA can strong-arm and who they can not.
There is no skin in the game for any other those countries, and so whether they vote to condemn or whether they vote against or whether they abstain from voting at all is nothing more – nor less – than an indicator of which countries are under Uncle Sam’s thumb and which countries feel they can afford to ignore the shouting from the US State Department.
That is all it amounts to.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 10:08 utc | 181
NATO is preparing to restore the military-industrial complex in Ukraine. The plan is designed for 10 years, writes Politico.
A meeting on this issue, according to the publication, will be held next week. The transition from Soviet weapons to Western ones will be discussed.
now thats some funny stuff
Posted by: hankster | Oct 13 2022 10:10 utc | 182
unimperator | Oct 13 2022 9:23 utc | 177
It is more complicated than this – as You say Ukraine has always been divided but not into two simple blocs
we can split this country into the following – basically from east to west
a. people who identify as ethnic Russians, speak Russian and are orthodox Christians
b. people who identify as ethnic Ukrainians , speak Russian and are orthodox Christians
c. people who identify as Ukrainian, speak Ukrainian and are orthodox Christians
d. People who identify as Ukrainian, speak Ukrainian and are Uniate Catholics
e. Ruthenians from Transcarpathia, who speak Rusyn and are orthodox Christians
Long term local Minorities such as Jews, Poles, Romanians and Hungarians and also non ethnic Russians from other parts of the former USSR (e.g. Tatars, Koreans etc.)
Group d. has been enforcing its ethic purity Bandera ideology on the others – parts of group c have been joining them since 2014, but they are possibly still a minority
Groups a. b & c have broadly got along and intermarried , as have many of the minorities – they mainly reject the ideology of group d.
Posted by: Aslangeo | Oct 13 2022 10:10 utc | 183
Troll UK | Oct 13 2022 9:25 utc | 178
My understanding is that the abstainers plus the “againsts” represented half the world population. When you put it like that it doesn’t seem so overwhelming.
I see new Russian-made ZALA drones are now in action
https://tass.com/defense/1512115
MOSCOW, August 24. /TASS/. The Russian army has begun to actively use unmanned aerial vehicles from ZALA Aero (an affiliate of the Kalashnikov concern), the concern’s president, Alan Lushnikov, told TASS. “Any ZALA UAVs are new for the Russian Defense Ministry. As follows from the publications, the army has begun to actively use them,” he said. Earlier, the state corporation Rostec said that Russia’s kamikaze drones KUB and Lancet are widely used in combat operations in Ukraine, and have “successfully demonstrated their properties in combat conditions.” The drones are mainly used to hit distant ground targets.
Let’s hope they are good, and that feedback/improvement is rapid.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 13 2022 10:12 utc | 184
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 10:08 utc | 182
Thanks for replying to the dullard, but I must warn you he is immune to logic.
Your jedi mind tricks of reason, fact and common sense don’t work on his ilk.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 10:12 utc | 185
Republicofscotland | Oct 13 2022 9:09 utc | 175
……Germany …announced …at least four Iris-T SL air defense systems to the Kiev regime forces. A military convoy was spotted in the vicinity of the city of Katowice in southern Poland.…
Cmon Russia immediately Kaliber them 1km inside the border.
Just for shits n giggles.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 13 2022 10:18 utc | 186
@102 T.D. The UN General Assembly is a diplomatic debating hall. It is not and was never meant to be a legislature.
Therefore it is axiomatic that the General Assembly can not “make” international law, nor can any of its resolutions – no matter how one-sided – carry the weight of law.
It is what it is: a place where diplomats debate each other.
Which is useful – don’t get me wrong on that score – but having a debate is not the same thing as making a law.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 10:22 utc | 187
Tom UK
“Trade is hardly a winning argument either, given trade with Russia is restricted.”
———
Is winning the argument why the UK is preparing rolling blackouts in winter?
And supporting votes? Is that the thing that propelled that Guiado guy to power in Venezuela?
Just wondering…
Posted by: Goingo | Oct 13 2022 10:26 utc | 188
Re Arch Bungle #101:
Must add that the 1st defeat of the Zionists was Putin’s recovery of the economic assets of Russia from those who had taped Russia under the regime of the rapist puppet Bill Clinton, hence the hatred of International Zionists for Putin.
Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 13 2022 10:27 utc | 189
Nato has brought ISIS/Al-qaeda to Ukraine. No wonder the change in command to the same guy who beat them in Syria before with minimal forces.
If you let ISIS on your territory be prepared to lose it all, and all infrastructure with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6gP3xF3Tg
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 10:31 utc | 191
@176 Republicofscotland It is going to be quite the story then the videos emerge of the Ukrainians firing off some NASAMS only to see the missile being shot out of the sky by Russian BUKS.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 13 2022 10:33 utc | 192
LOL here we go again
Apartment building hit in Ukrainian shelling of Russian city – mayor
https://swentr.site/russia/564591-belgorod-building-shelling-ukraine/
There is no way Russia can win this war if they cant even protect their border!
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 13 2022 10:37 utc | 193
A major UN resolution in a US strong-armed vote to condemn Russia, shows, 3.6 billion people is more than 4.3 billion people (as represented)….
Posted by: Andy | Oct 13 2022 10:42 utc | 194
Nato has brought ISIS/Al-qaeda to Ukraine.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 10:31 utc | 193
I rather doubt that. The ideologues of those organisations have no interest in fighting for Christianity. On the other hand there are a lot of starving Syrian jihadis who need to earn a living (as mercenaries). Most likely those journalists are confusing the two, to stir up a reaction.
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 13 2022 10:43 utc | 195
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 13 2022 10:37 utc | 195
It was some fragment of a missile already hit in the air, as such, with significantly reduced speed and mass. Yesterday there was claimed 100 himars shot down, and a bunch of AGM-88 HARMs.
It’s possible to shoot from the Kharkov direction while the strategic direction is in the south, not Kharkov. “Defending borders” also means destroying the enemy elsewhere.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 13 2022 10:47 utc | 196
laguerre @197: “Most likely those journalists are confusing the two, to stir up a reaction.”
Or even more likely is that there is no difference, and never has been, between ISIS/Al-qaeda and other mercenary terrorist death squads employed by the Empire. Fascist ideologies are all fungible; interchangeable.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 13 2022 10:50 utc | 197
Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 13 2022 5:26 utc | 133
It doesn’t take long for MoAers to get excited about the French, and think Europe (inc France) is about to collapse. You know, it’s only a strike in France, the world capital of strikes, where it’s the same thing every day. In this case it’s the oil workers union, part of CGT, who don’t think oil companies should make excessive profits in the current situation. Well that’s true, everybody worldwide thinks that. But where it’s more likely to go is for strikers to get beaten up by an enraged public who can’t get a fill up for their cars, than the government is about to collapse. Macron will impose a windfall tax on the oil and gas companies, indeed it is the pipeline (!).
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 13 2022 10:59 utc | 198
@183 Yeah Right
If the US can ‘strong arm’ 140 odd countries to support their position and deter 35 countries from voting for Russia’s situation in Ukraine, it would seem to demonstrate the strength of the US over Russia on the global stage would it not?
You act as if Russia was championing, and succeeding, in establishing a new realigned world, yet the best it could do on the worlds diplomatic stage was get four countries to support them. Not exactly a rallying cry is it?
Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 13 2022 11:01 utc | 199
The Quisling says Nato will standby Ukraine. Sure, it’s interesting to check if Norway can stand few Kinzhals and Inskanders?
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 13 2022 11:04 utc | 200