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October 12, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-170

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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United States wants the West to jointly create an integrated air defense system of Ukraine and transfer missile systems of various ranges to Kiev – Lloyd Austin at the Rammstein meeting

Posted by: rk | Oct 12 2022 17:14 utc | 1

Will Credit Suisse be the European version of Lehman Brothers?
The bank’s shares, which in 2015 were worth 25 francs, dropped to 9 francs by the beginning of this year, and now they have collapsed by half, to 4 francs per share. Would the bankruptcy of Credit Suisse, which could push the entire Western financial system to collapse? If the Swiss authorities do not bail out the bank by filling its holes with printed money, its bankruptcy could set an avalanche in banking Europe and the world.
Deutsche Bank, for example, has not gone bankrupt so far only because the German authorities cannot let it collapse (printing money). Another banking giant, UBS is having bankruptcy problems.
This may look like not connected to Ukraine crisis, but…

Posted by: Paulg | Oct 12 2022 17:46 utc | 2

“Ukraine’s elites had given into promises of great financial rewards by foreigners who controlled the IMF but who also had an agenda to bring down the economy and government of Russia. The demand by American and European elites in return for billions of dollars in aid and military protection — was for the government of Ukraine to fight a bloody and unwinnable war with Russia over control of the resource rich Donbas region. And also to change their laws for neoliberal reforms to allow the foreign buying of land and businesses.” From Zelenskyy Begs For NATO Entrance After Destruction Of Nordstream or: “There must be some way out of here” Said the joker to the thief

Posted by: Kali El | Oct 12 2022 17:50 utc | 3

“It was only a matter of time until American and European financial control over the world would end as more and more countries became dependent on China and Russia for their imports and exports, for loans, for weapons, etc. The elites of America and Europe could see the writing on the wall and were determined to put a stop it. Brutalizing the average people for the selfish schemes of elites, for personal power and enrichment, is being seen for what it is. What does that portend for European leaders and their institutions? The Great Reset may not be the reset they thought it would be…” From Zelenskyy Begs For NATO Entrance After Destruction Of Nordstream or: “There must be some way out of here” Said the joker to the thief

Posted by: Kali El | Oct 12 2022 17:51 utc | 4

This is best analyses this far for the situation in Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u519OI7pPM&t=2s
EVERYTHING changes in 3 weeks as Putin amasses biggest force yet

Posted by: Gonzo | Oct 12 2022 18:03 utc | 5

The US accepts Ukrainian refugees. If a Ukrainian shows up at the Mexico-US border, they are welcomed as a refugee and admitted to the US. If you are from Haiti and show up at the Mexican border you are deported back to Haiti. The place is now a warzone. There are marauding armed groups blocking the port in Haiti. Without fuel, hospitals have stopped functioning and water is cut off. Why would the US deport one group back to a war zone but accept another as refugees? There is a simple explanation. The Biden administration is racist against black people.
Russia has announced since the start of the war it will be a champion against anti-Western imperialism. I can not think of a better opportunity for Russia to demonstrate its credentials than in helping Haitian refugees. Russia must call out the racist treatment of the US towards Haitain refugees against the pro-white racially biased treatment granted by Biden in favor of Ukrainian refugees.
News clippings:
Aug 23, 2022 — Ukrainian refugees to enter US surpasses 150,000.
Jul 7, 2022 — In May, more than 4,000 Haitians were deported to Haiti on 36 flights.

Posted by: haitilibre | Oct 12 2022 18:11 utc | 6

Oh poor Russia. Just go home. This is terrible. Oh no. Oh no. For love of the world. As ever, we are being played. With all technologic mastery at hand, and in the face of ecocide, we will play war. Like most of our primitive ways. Oh gosh. Freedom for all. The four freedoms.

Posted by: Ahole | Oct 12 2022 18:17 utc | 7

It is clear that Russian leadership does not understand the situation.
They stopped destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure today.
Very soon The West shall supply Ukraine with all air defense weapons they have.
Russia must force 5-10 millions of Ukrainians to move to Germany.
That is the only way to win the war.

Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 18:24 utc | 8

In Simpsons cartoon there is character who points finger and says “ha-ha”. That is the situation right now.

Posted by: nrg-2u | Oct 12 2022 18:24 utc | 9

I think it’s clear now where all this is heading:
– The West (NATO, UK, EU, Ukraine, the Baltics) will suffer complete strategic defeat in the military, economic and diplomatic domains over the next 3 – 6 months.
– Russia will emerge far more powerful economically, diplomatically, geopolitically and militarily in 2023 with the allegiance of most of the non-western globe
– There will be no nuclear exchange between the West and Russia, as the West realizes it does not have the stomach for nuclear suicide, so it will opt for quiet submission
– China will emerge substantially more powerful than it is now, economically, technologically and militarily
– The focus of conflict will move back to the middle east, where the US and ‘israel’ will gradually find it more difficult to continue their theft of Arab resources and where Iran will bring the conflict with israel to a head.
– israel’s gas theft operation in the Mediterranean will trigger a new war with Hezbollah
The West is about to lose “the game for all the marbles”.
Stick a fork in it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:26 utc | 10

Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 18:24 utc | 8

Russia must force 5-10 millions of Ukrainians to move to Germany.

Thus shall the prophecy of Gog of Magog be fulfilled.
The evil from beyond Dul Qurnain’s wall of steel will be unleashed upon the earth.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:29 utc | 11

Nelson Muntz has a sensitive side as well you know…..His mom is often in jail and I am not sure he even has a father!
Then again he also says “SeeYa tomorrow looser!”
In regard to the Close The Skies propoganda (complete with bandaged grandparents, and background actor “fleeing in fear” for camera) Fuck around and Find out!

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 12 2022 18:31 utc | 12

Well my last post citing Haaretz, The Guardian, and NYT spanning at least four years regarding Ukranian organ harvesting by Israel was deleted.
Maybe this one will pass the censorship.
https://www.haaretz.com/2009-12-03/ty-article/ukraine-academic-israel-imported-25-000-kids-for-their-organs/0000017f-db7b-d856-a37f-fffb68b50000
Ukraine Academic: Israel Imported 25,000 Kids for Their Organs
Jews and Israel have become a major motif of the presidential election campaign in the Ukraine.
https://mx22.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/25000-ukrainian-children-organs-havested-in-israel/
An international Israeli conspiracy to kidnap children and harvest their organs is gathering momentum as another shocking story divulges Tel Aviv’s plot to import Ukrainian children and harvest their organs.
The story brings to light the fact that Israel has brought some 25,000 Ukrainian children into the occupied entity over the past two years in order to harvest their organs. It cites a Ukrainian man’s fruitless search for 15 children who had been adopted in Israel. The children had clearly been taken by Israeli medical centers, where they were used for ‘spare parts’.
The account was unveiled five days ago by a Ukrainian philosophy professor and author, Vyacheslav Gudin, at a pseudo-academic conference in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev. Gudin told an estimated 300 attendees of the Kiev conference that it was essential that all Ukrainians be made aware of the genocide Israel was perpetrating.
The conference also featured two professors who presented a book blaming “the Zionists” for the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s, as well as the country’s current condition.
Meanwhile, Ukrainians demonstrated outside the Israeli Embassy in Kiev on Tuesday to protest a letter signed by 26 Knesset members (MKs) condemning what they described as anti-Semitic remarks by presidential candidate Sergey Ratushnyak. Protesters chanted ‘Ukraine isn’t the Gaza Strip,’ suggesting that they consider the effort by the Israeli MKs as an intervention in their country.
A story, published in the Arabic-language Algerian daily al-Khabar in September, reported that Interpol, the international police organization, has revealed the existence of ‘a Jewish gang’ that was ‘involved in the abduction of children from Algeria and trafficking of their organs.’
According to the story, bands of Moroccans and Algerians had been roaming the streets of Algerian cities in an attempt to hunt around for young children. They then trafficked the kids across the border into the neighboring Morocco.
The children were then sold to Israelis and American Jews in Oujda, the capital of eastern Morocco, for the purpose of organ harvest in Israel and the United States.
The story is based on statements made by Mustafa Khayatti, head of the Algerian National Committee for the Development of Health Research. Khayatti maintains that the abduction of children in Algeria is linked to arrests made in New York and New Jersey at the end of July, in which several Jewish men were among the 44 arrested in connection to an investigation into illegal organ trafficking and political corruption.
The story comes in line with the article published last month in Aftonbladet, Sweden’s largest circulation daily, suggesting that the Israeli army kidnapped and killed young Palestinians to harvest their organs. It shed light on the case of Bilal Ahmed Ghanem, a 19-year-old Palestinian man, who was shot dead in 1992 by Israeli forces in the West Bank village of Imatin.
Bostrom, who witnessed the man’s killing, said Ghanem’s body was abducted following the shooting and was returned at midnight, during an imposed curfew, several days later by the Israeli military with a cut from the stomach to the neck that had been stitched up.
Bostrom argued that an autopsy would be required if the cause of death was not apparent, while in this case it was clear that Bilal was shot dead.
After that incident, at least 20 Palestinian families told Bostrom that they suspected that the Israeli military had taken the organs of their sons after they had been killed and then taken away by Israeli forces before being dropped back in the area.
And this is not the first time. In July this year there another organ scam by people with contacts in Israel was uncovered in New Jersey, USA. Read the following article from Bloomberg.com :

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 18:33 utc | 13

haitilibre | Oct 12 2022 18:11 utc | 6
i know this can be hard to grasp, in large part because of how racist this country actually is, especially the ruling class, but racism is not the central issue. the Ukrainian refugees will become rabid American nationalists, because they are “good victims”, sufferers in a righteous cause. they are not here to steal our jobs and deal drugs and rape our women, unlike Haitians and El Salvadoreans.
but thank you for the reminder that the killers in America work 8 days a week, and have been doing so in Haiti since St Tommy J of VA wrote us our freedumbs! let us not learn anything from an ongoing 250 year crime against one of our nearest neigbors.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 12 2022 18:36 utc | 14

Question:
Imagine you have statted a proxy war that has turned completely against you. Not only are you losing the war, you get completely crushed to the point of humiliation. The war is lost. How do you turn that into a political Victory?
Answer:
First you build up a narrative that your opponemt is completely crazy and threatens to go nuclear. You scare the living daylights out of your people. Bunkers ! Iodine pills ! Duck and Cover ! Then you start negotiations not on grounds that you have lost but on grounds that you have to negotiate because after all, the other guy is insane and threatens nuclear war (of course he doesn’t; you made that up. But hey, nobody will notice). Then you end the whole thing and are a hero because you have just saved the world from nuclear Armaggeddon ! Your people will love you and you win the midterms in a landslide.
Next up: Nobel peace price.

Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Oct 12 2022 18:37 utc | 15

@ Arch Bungle
– There will be no nuclear exchange between the West and Russia, as the West realizes it does not have the stomach for nuclear suicide, so it will opt for quiet submission
When the western cavalcade of stupidity screams and bleats that Nuclear apocalypse is imminent, there is very little chance that it is going to happen.
These ‘people’ (Neocons et al) are far too cowardly to start a Nuclear war, that is precisely why they scream like little children, because nobody pays attention to their threats and their sanctions anymore.
They are very much the badly behaved child, relegated to the corner.
I don’t doubt that there a few of them who are sufficiently unhinged enough to actually push the button, but the ones that want weekends in the Hamptons, flash cars and the endless looking down their noses at ‘the little people’ are not going to sign up for 20 years in a bunker.
Their entire ‘raison d’etre’ is not only that you have nothing, but that they have everything. That simply does not work if there are no people to lord over.

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Oct 12 2022 18:47 utc | 16

Arch Bungle @ 10

Stick a fork in it.

I’d say you are out over your skis, but what the heck – hear! hear!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2022 18:48 utc | 17

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2022 18:48 utc | 16
The right vintage right before bedtime clarifies the logic wonderfully.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:55 utc | 18

George Webb: Not entirely clear what he is predicting, but it sounds like the RF Black Sea fleet need to be on their A game. Is he a reliable / insightful journalist? – I get mixed reports. But to me the idea that a blitz of the RF Black Sea fleet and the use of a tactical nuke will bring Russia to heel in negotiations seems ridiculous to me. In fact I think it could even be goodby Ramstein and or Incirlik.
https://twitter.com/realgeorgewebb1/status/1580178923434180609?s=21&t=TkOvnOBWiLOe-j0PhiJ0aw

Posted by: Ajb | Oct 12 2022 19:01 utc | 19

Gonzo | Oct 12 2022 18:03 utc | 5
And where are those troops? They exist only on paper, training in virtal space. And I doubt they’ll move out of the 4 regions borders anyway. when they finally reach all borders but no one knows when, could be another 8 months

Posted by: rk | Oct 12 2022 19:06 utc | 20

A concept for the De-Nazification of Western (and central) Ukraine
Once Russian (and allied) Forces defeat the Ukrainian / NATO ground tactical forces and move west, they will take over regional governments. Along with replacing NAZI leaders, the taking down of Bandera statues, and reintroducing a new educational system based on true history, they should do one more thing.
They should invite MASSIVE immigration into Western Ukraine from Asian, Arabic, African, Latin, etc. people. This will do several things. a) It will dilute the effect of the pro-Nazi residual element. b) It will provide many more numbers of pro-Russian voters on the roles to affect referendums and policy. c) It will bridge the BRICS / BRI elements of economic development right into the heart of Europe.
Demographic change can lead to a permanent change (for the good) in De-Nazification.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 19:13 utc | 21

Hey are people following the Elon Musk situation?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/11/business/elon-musk-ian-bremmer-putin-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html
https://nypost.com/2022/10/12/elon-musk-refused-ukraines-request-to-use-starlink-in-crimea-report/
I think it’s all blown-up nonsense. Bremmer is lying or exaggerating. How would Musk even talk to Putin without NSA knowing? And if they know, they’ll leak it to reveal him as a liar.
I think people just like hearing about Musk-related intrigue. Could be also be an effort to discredit him (C < .5)

Posted by: GoFast | Oct 12 2022 19:14 utc | 22

Back to Ukraine organ harvesting.
Read it or don’t, but a pretty interesting aspect of the war.
I found this recent article’ I posted an excerpt from the middle. Seems to be thorough and covers a VERY long history.
29.03.2022 Author: Valery Kulikov
Israel, Ukraine, and Black Market Transplant Surgeons
https://journal-neo.org/2022/03/29/israel-ukraine-and-black-market-transplant-surgeons/
“Recently, a video interview of a former SSU employee was posted to the Internet, saying that being in the war zone in Donbas he was attached to the special medical group in Kramatorsk called “First Aid Group.” Since 2014 the group was engaged in illegal removal of organs from injured Ukrainian troops in the vicinity of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. According to him, several foreign transplant surgeons worked with the group. Often soldiers whose organs were removed were pronounced missing in action and the corpses were buried in mass graves. Organs of civilians were removed as well. The whole process was controlled by SSU and several Ukrainian functionaries.
In early 2022 the Defense Minister of Germany Christine Lambrecht announced that Ukraine received a field hospital and a crematorium. Some media connected such a “gift” with a long well-oiled illegal business of selling organs of Ukrainian troops to the EU, the US, and Israel under the protection of SSU as indicated by many traits. The media has already reported that black marker transplant surgeons removed organs from still living people and then cremated the corpses. The victims are mostly injured Ukrainian troops who were delivered unconscious to the hospital from the frontlines. Captured militiamen and civilians were sold for organs, with women and children usually to be selected…
The announcement of allotment of a field hospital and a crematorium caused serious unrest in Ukrainian divisions at the demarcation line, with an increase of instances of desertion and suicides which the commanders are trying to cover up by all means. In Ukrainian troops’ opinion, this hospital can be used for removing organs and subsequent covering of these criminal activities using the crematorium.
Recently a German-language publication “Neues aus Russland”published a fascinating story about mobile crematoriums in Ukraine which help conceal the major selling of organs to the EU.
Given this context, it is notable that not only Germany but Israel too has lately expressed major interest in deploying its “field hospitals” in Ukraine where an increasing number of causalities as a result of Moscow’s denazification special operation has been observed. As reported by Israeli media on March 23 an Israeli “field hospital” was opened in Mostyska in the Lviv oblast. Israel further notes that the number of “field hospitals” can soon be increased…
As some experts point out, under the circumstances of the present Ukrainian conflict foreigners with minimum support are at risk, as diplomatic representatives do not always succeed in tracking them. It is easy to “lose” these people, many of whom are young students, guest workers, or even mercenaries, boasting of great health. These people especially are at risk of being potential victims of criminal groups involved in organ trade in Ukraine.”

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:38 utc | 23

Posted by: haitilibre | Oct 12 2022 18:11 utc | 6
The Soviet Union was very good at pointing out the hypocrisy of the United States during the First Cold War (Cold War I?)
А у вас негров линчуют!
The United States would scream “tu quoque” but as they say, a hit dog will bark. I think the Russians should take up the Haitian case just to make the Americans squirm a bit.

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Oct 12 2022 19:42 utc | 24

Kiev receives first unit of German air defense system
Ukraine’s Defense Minister has hailed the arrival of the IRIS-T as the beginning of a “new era of air defense”
https://swentr.site/news/564547-german-air-defense-system-delivered-ukraine/
Whis is this not bombed yet? Why is US still able to deliver HIMARS to Ukraine?
Russia – always 1 step behind.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 12 2022 19:44 utc | 25

GoFast
I have this Grey Man theory.
There is a group of people behind the scenes, not deep state, but they are involved with interlocking governments and corporations.
You will never know their names, and usually their faces do not appear even in the background.
When someone gets too big for their britches as used to be said they get knocked out of the game.
I’ll use this quote from the original Rollerball to distill the idea;
“Bartholomew: No player is greater than the game itself. It’s a significant game, in a number of ways, the velocities of the ball, the awful physics of the track, and in the middle of it all: men – playing by an odd set of rules. It’s not a game man is supposed to grow strong in, Jonathan. You appreciate that, don’t you?”
Doesn’t matter if you are a politician, cartel leader or billionaire. You toe the party line because no one is supposed to be bigger than the game.
Always more noise than signal.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:47 utc | 26

Would someone please tell the owners of SouthFront that their “map updates” they still call “military situation in Ukraine” and “military situation in eastern Ukraine” have been out of date for many days? They now show the orange ‘border’ lines in the wrong places.

Posted by: Dalit | Oct 12 2022 19:51 utc | 27

Mummer
I posted about John Ogbuin a previous topic.
The EU is about to have their past colonialism come back and bit them in the ass. As far as I can tell it already has in some nations, like France and the “no go zones”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ogbu
“Involuntary minorities
Ogbu argues [6] that cultural differences alone cannot account for differences in minority education, since some minority communities do quite well and others do not. In addition, he observes that in some cases groups of people of the same race but located in different countries manifested different ability and/or achievement levels according to some measures.
Ogbu points out that there are two kinds of differences between cultures[citation needed]. There are primary differences, which existed before cultures came into contact with each other. Then, there are secondary differences, which come into existence when two cultures interact with each other. He says that many of these secondary differences are created by subordinate groups in opposition to the cultural references of the dominant group.
In the U.S. context, Ogbu concluded that among U.S. Americans there are “voluntary minorities” (groups of immigrants who chose to come to the United States, and their descendants) versus “involuntary” or “caste-like” minorities (descendants of groups of persons who found themselves in the United States, or under United States jurisdiction, against their will). Voluntary minorities (e.g. Korean-Americans) tend to manifest non-oppositional secondary differences with the dominant culture. On the other hand, involuntary minorities (e.g. Native Americans) tend to manifest oppositional secondary differences with the dominant culture. However, both voluntary non-oppositional cultural subjects and involuntary oppositional cultural subjects are required to adhere to dominant (white) American cultural frames of reference if they want to acquire upward social mobility.[7]
In Minority Education and Caste (1978), Ogbu argued that involuntary minorities often adopted an oppositional identity to the mainstream culture in response to a glass ceiling imposed or maintained by white society on the job-success of their parents and others in their communities. Therefore, he reasoned, some non-whites “failed to observe the link between educational achievement and access to jobs.”[8]
Often, the oppositional culture/identity created by the involuntary minority involves the incorporation of attitudes, behaviors, and speech styles that are stigmatized by the dominant group, which, of course, precludes those who adopt the manifestations of the oppositional culture from external success in the dominant culture. When immigrant minorities (voluntary minorities) acquire the language of the dominant culture, it is seen as an addition to the first language (non-oppositional primary differences). However, when nonimmigrant minorities (involuntary minorities) acquire the language of the dominant culture, it is the negation of their oppositional culture, and thus their cultural reality.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:51 utc | 28

Gonzo@5
Thanks. Was only dimly aware of Redacted w. Clayton Morris before. Then he brings on Col. Douglas MacGregor who has the most informed and sensible take on the developments between Russia and Ukraine. After the Colonel, he runs a quickie vid of Tulsi Gabbard, who now presents herself as the spokeswoman for a developing, but as yet unjelled coalition of disappointed Democrats, Independents and non-RINO Republicans.
Overall, a tour de force. Hoping most of the bar-flies will access the link.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 19:55 utc | 29

Kiev receives first unit of German air defense system
Ukraine’s Defense Minister has hailed the arrival of the IRIS-T as the beginning of a “new era of air defense”
https://swentr.site/news/564547-german-air-defense-system-delivered-ukraine/
Whis is this not bombed yet? Why is US still able to deliver HIMARS to Ukraine?
Russia – always 1 step behind.
You are right.
Putin is just still afraid of the western MSM.

Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 19:57 utc | 30

Has the bombing of Ukrainian energy infrastructure continued today ?

Posted by: Abeille Flandres | Oct 12 2022 19:57 utc | 31

good post, b.
I think, though, that the emphasis on legal boundaries of state action, which is indeed what Russia stresses, is a little off point.
Russia’s main, and very legitimate, complaint has been that they have not been allowed entry into a European security system. The way the US engineered this exclusion in the period after the Soviet collapse by militarizing the conflict in the former Yugoslavia should be something you bang on just as much as you bang on the AFU artillery barrages in the days before the beginning of the SMO.
A sketch: France and Germany were interested in including Russia in an OSCE-based security organization that would have seriously undercut the US dominance in European security arrangements via NATO. The US stalled on that, while at the same time encouraging resistance by Moslem groups to an OSCE-based solution to Yugoslav tensions. The US jumped in and supported Bosnian independence, knowing full well that Serbia would not accept it owing to the number of Serbs in Bosnia. That led to militarization, with Germany and France deferring to what the US already had in its arsenal. Russia was kept at the margins, and the opportunity slipped away.
The point is that for laws to be effective it is necessary to have mutual recognition between the parties upholding the law. Without a security agreement, things slip back into a pre-Westphalia state. Without a security arrangement, there is little basis for objecting to the kind of destabilizing buildup of forces NATO pursued in Ukraine prior to 2/24. The way the US in the 1990s cut off promising developments should be brought up repeatedly. It never is, not even here.

Posted by: dadooronron | Oct 12 2022 19:59 utc | 32

“DOD/CIA bases and biowarfare labs on the borders between Russia and China, from which to destabilise China by funding. training, arming many brigades of “freedom fighters” inside China.”
«What is the expected timeline?»
I would expect that the dream of the USA strategists is 2-3 years of bloody war in Ukraine, plus maybe 5-10 years of guerrilla war insider Ukraine and Russia by polish and ruthenian “freedom fighters”. I am sure they are not really thinking of achieving regime change in the RF in less than 5 years.
V. Nuland boasted that Ukraine’s regime change coup was bought with just $5 billion over just 15 years. That’s quite cheap and fairly quick. The RF has spent a lot more than that over in less than 1 year, and achieved much less.
Consider also the Afghanistan war: Brzezinsky made it USA policy to fund the islamic side for many years, and in around 10 years the USSR collapsed also thanks to that.
Also consider polish “prometheism”: it was formally described by Piłsudski in 1904, and it is being pursued.
«If we assume that the so called DEEP STATE maintains a single unbroken generational goal, it makes sense.»
It can be multi-generational: the english have played one continental power against another for over 3 centuries, for example, and the USA have acquired and maintained control of most of Central and South American since at least the Monroe Doctrine in 1823, and have also acquired and maintained control of most of Europe since 1943, pretty much linearly and with the same methods.
«But the problem I have with any End Game scenario, is well generational. It is virtually impossible to maintain the same amount of commitment from a new generation as with yourself.»
That’s unrealistic and obviously contradicted by much of history: states have fundamental interests, and much of those interests are dictated by geopolitics and major technology waves, that last sometimes for centuries. Corporate and Sin particular state bureaucracies are often very long lived and pursue the fundamental state interests for as long as those last, again over decades or centuries.
Consider this song that the english government pushed as “home front morale” propaganda in the 1850s, 170 years ago:
The dogs of war are loose, and the ragged Russian Bear,
Full bent on blood and robbery, has crawl’d out of his lair;
It seems a thrashing now and then, will never help to tame
That brute, and so he’s out upon the “same old game.”
The Lion did his best to find him some excuse
To crawl back to his den again, all efforts were no use;
He hunger’d for his victim, he’s pleased when blood is shed,
But let us hope his crimes may all recoil on his own head.
REFRAIN:
We don’t want to fight but by jingo if we do,
We’ve got the ships, we’ve got the men, and got the money too!
We’ve fought the Bear before and while we’re Britons true
The Russians shall not have Constantinople.

The words and motivations and policies have not changed since then, even if the UK no longer needs so urgently to protect their vital route to the Indian and south-Asian colonies through the Mediterranean (Gibraltar, Malta, Cyprus, Egypt, and then on to Aden, Oman, Ghawar, Karachi, Bombay) from russian threats. They did not forget that Napoleon attacked Egypt to weaken their empire.
For the USA the mediterranean is a far less important area than it was for Imperial England, but getting bases on the northern and western chinese borders is very important, as well a cutting off China from Europe.
As to the latter, some insightful people have noticed that the USA sanctions have not only cut off Europe (and Germany in particular) from russian raw materials supplies, but also the USA sanctions have in effect cut off Europe from the most important overland routes from China, that passed through the Russian Federation and Belarus, an alternative that despite the much higher costs gave an alternative to the absolute control that the USA Navy have over oceanic trade routes.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 12 2022 20:00 utc | 33

It should come as no surprise that Putin will even give his own coat off his back to a friend. In this case Sheik Mohamad bin Zayed. That handshake was genuine.
“Russia’s President Vladimir Putin 🇷🇺 due to cold weather, gives his personal jacket 🧥 to Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed 🇦🇪 and sees him off all the way to his car …
This is how well respected Sheikh Mohammed is … Thank you President Putin for honoring my President 🙏🏼”

https://twitter.com/eugene0777/status/1580138124243767296
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In fact this is what Putin is trying to do, build friendships and show respectability in world affairs.
It is only due to MSM censorship that these attitudes are not widely known, and why even the slightest wavering from the “Governmental MSM official” line will be banned in the EU and US.
****
Coming to somewhere in the EU near you. (Here it is France)
I learnt today of someone who has had his electricity cut off (no explanation given beforehand), because his “Linky” (“Smart meter” which sends details every few minutes to the control center) said he was consuming too much.
He had to plead by telephone to get his electricity back, as he worked from home.
****
French banks now only allow a maximum of €800 at a time, to be taken out of ATM’s – in €20 notes! Clearly to reduce the possibilities of Bank runs. (No cash counters left).

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 12 2022 20:02 utc | 34

Soon we shall seen NATO soldiers in Ukraine.
Russia cannot defeat NATO.

Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 20:04 utc | 35

Gully Foyle@13
Almost unbelievable, how despicable some people can become, with no regard whatsoever for the lives of people they may personally consider as mere “Goyim” or “cattle”. So now, the Albanian criminals in Kosovo have serious competition in the human organ harvesting shtick.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:06 utc | 36

Ugh, two more to add to the list of unfettered “narrative” pushers. Now includes slowgo and Zelenskyy-anon. Still undecided about this last poster as it vacillates between pushing narrative and plain debating style arguments. LOL. Short read on this particular thread but still rather informative reading.

Posted by: Arcticman | Oct 12 2022 20:13 utc | 37

” Almost unbelievable, how despicable some people can become, with no regard whatsoever for the lives of people they may personally consider as mere “Goyim” or “cattle”. So now, the Albanian criminals in Kosovo have serious competition in the human organ harvesting shtick.
Posted by: aristodemos”
While researching I stumbled across a statement that Jews do not donate organs. Possibly due to Hebraic law.
If I have the genetics thunk through, Ukraine due to it’s cultural roots, is genetically very close to Jewish genetics.
Which makes me wonder about this
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-zelenskyy-yair-lapid-33cec89323e3a5a145a11093fba08606
Israel starts medical rehab program for wounded Ukrainians
September 27, 2022 GMT

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 20:20 utc | 38

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 20:20 utc | 38
I think I was able to find the Bloomberg article whose link didn’t come through in your post. Was this it?
bloomberg(-DOT-)com/news/articles/2011-11-01/organ-gangs-force-poor-to-sell-kidneys-for-desperate-israelis

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 20:24 utc | 39

Blissex@32
The Russian frozen-ground offensive will demolish not only the tattered remnants of the Ukie military. The net effect will be to shatter the timeline concept you postulated as the Neocon wet-dream.
If Russia is as worldly-wise as I suspect, they will indeed swarm the entire Ukraine (former SSR) and strongly “suggest” that Banderistan, aka Uniate-R.C. Galicia should be divorced and told to make it on their own as an unarmed nation (and a pariah state) as a warning to the land-greedy Polaks who were given large slabs of Germany after WWII).
Security for the new land of Galicia (or whatever they decide to call it) would be guaranteed by a trans-Slavic consortium of Belarus, NovaUkrania and the Russian Federation.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:41 utc | 40

Joeblow@35
Kindly get your butt back to Trollheim and crawl under the bridge. Even skunks and drunks cringe from your odoriferousness.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:44 utc | 41

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:44 utc | 41
Joeblow is drunk on NPR. I normally don’t drive much and when I do I usually put the radio on NPR because here in Houston a lot of the programming is hyper-local. Nothing about foreign policy for the most part. But today on my way home from a doctor’s appointment I heard almost word for word (except spelled correctly) what Joeblow is spewing. Pure lies about Russia not having enough precision missiles to spare so they’re using imprecise systems and targeting civilians, etc. The entire information ecosystem – “liberal” and “conservative” – are poisoned. We’re apparently being buttered up for something big.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 20:50 utc | 42

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:44 utc | 41

Never respond to trolls!
A proverb says:
” Trolls arise en masse when their idol is dying ”

Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 12 2022 20:52 utc | 43

Oh great another group of dickheads let into the country this time Ukrainian refugees ready to line up for some freebies.

Posted by: Deplorable Cro magno | Oct 12 2022 20:54 utc | 44

Why would 1 or even 5 or 10 German/Norwegian/American/Israeli air defense systems matter?
Ukraine had 100 active batteries of S300 before the SMO, along with similar numbers of Pantsir and other Soviet era systems. One battery is something like 3 launchers and multiple radar and fire control systems.
This is the same nonsense as the HIMARS – 20 or 30 HIMARS vs. 630 rocket artillery Ukraine possessed at the start of the SMO.
All that will happen is that these fancy systems will be posted to Kiev to protect the “management”.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 12 2022 21:01 utc | 45

@ Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:51 utc | 27
I get the immigration thing. … I live in the US where 50% of the local elementary school kids are from foreign parents. I particularly don’t have any quarrel with these folks. Everyone that I know is a good neighbor.
The point of introducing this into Western Ukraine will permanently de-Nazify their culture (regardless of other tensions it brings up). … They will have to learn to live with others who do not look like themselves.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 21:10 utc | 46

Tom_Q_Collins
I’m tired of the organ harvesting thing by now. Run through a few pages of Google to find various articles covering from 2009 to at least 20014. Links with eastern European groups are listed in each story.
Then again after reading Roberto Saviano’s two books, Gomorrah and Zero,Zero,Zero, nothing criminal nor extensive surprises me.
I remember an episode of Spooks, now called MI5 by the wokesters, with the Brit agent speaking to a US agent. The US guy reminds him that despite changes in elected officials that he will always be there.
Like how Bushco called up their warlord contacts in Afghanistan.
The web of crime and intelligence organizations together is so massive they frequently work at odds with each other, despite sharing the same goals.
Nothing, absolutely nothing fictional can compare with what is REALLY happening in the background of every community in the world.
Well maybe some isolated utterly disconnected primitives hidden in the wilderness are not complicit.
Let us recall how Rambo fought the Russians for the Taliban.
Memory is a bitch. And all these, at the time, seemingly unimportant things keep recurring.
Whatever happened to the Femen who were documented in Ukraine is not a brothel?

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:13 utc | 47

Mummer
Nope they will hide it.
I’m Polish Ukrainian, my father came over after the war ended from a Nazi occupied village. My neighbor is a Ukrainian who came after the wall fell.
He hates the Jews.
They will not get along. They will hide their fear and anger until they have a chance to act out.
I Think Steinbeck in East of Eden described his town destroying the German butcher due to WW1 propaganda.
The butcher had lived there decades.
Should we examine the Japanese internment during WW2?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/11/29/radicals-target-roma-people-ukraine
Radicals Target Roma People in Ukraine
November 29, 2021
https://theconversation.com/why-are-roma-people-being-attacked-in-france-115030
Why are Roma people being attacked in France?
Published: April 7, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTqyDCqOFE
The policing bill’s attack on Gypsies, Roma and Travellers
1,004 views
Jan 18, 2022

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:24 utc | 48

@ Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:24 utc | 48
I don’t think it would matter if they resented the immigration or not. The key would be to get (again) MASSIVE numbers of foreigners there. … Then, regardless of how people ‘feel’ about the newcomers, the impact would be defining and PERMANENT. There is little they could do about it once they are there. When they bring big families of kids, the schools will change.
The old NAZIs will just die off.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 21:35 utc | 49

Mummer
The fire is being fed.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/01/1126419403/what-the-recent-wins-for-far-right-parties-in-europe-could-mean-for-the-region
What the recent wins for far-right parties in Europe could mean for the region
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/18/observer-view-dangerous-rise-of-far-right-europe
The Observer view on the dangerous rise of the far right in Europe
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/10/06/populists-in-europe-especially-those-on-the-right-have-increased-their-vote-shares-in-recent-elections/
Populists in Europe – especially those on the right – have increased their vote shares in recent elections

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:39 utc | 50

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:13 utc | 47
I wasn’t aware of the series and your initial mention caught my attention.
Re: Rambo, I think the first film in the series “First Blood” was actually a critique of the way the government had failed veterans during and after the Vietnam war. Maybe even the war itself. The remaining films, the “sequels”, devolved into ridiculous Cold War anti-communist simplistic, violent tropes. I’ve read that Reagan’s Pentagon wasn’t happy with “First Blood” and somehow co-opted the scripts (or fed them to Hollywood) for the following movies.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 21:48 utc | 51

@ Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:39 utc | 50
Even if ‘the Far Right’ movement in Europe seizes power, there will be no ability for them to expel the 10s of millions of immigrants in their own villages, cities, and countries. They are too intertwined now.
The last time I was in London, I was riding the Tube, and I wanted to ask for directions but nobody was speaking English. I finally found a nice Jamaican woman who I could converse with. … (Just an anecdotal observation, for example.)
Regardless of the Far-Right, the EU is PERMANENTLY and irreversibly changed. … They’ll just have to swallow that.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 21:54 utc | 52

Low comment counts lately. Hmmmmm … where are all the trolls? Cowards.
(See my user name)

Posted by: LastLaugh | Oct 12 2022 22:24 utc | 53

The far right doesn’t even want to expel immigrants. Underneath that populist veneer are the biggest corporate whores around. Corporate whores need plentiful cheap and desperate labor to profit from. Sure, they will give their base the old xenophobic song and dance, but underneath it all they want their surplus labor divided and fighting along racial lines, not expelled, like the good fascists they are.

Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 12 2022 22:25 utc | 54

We all know the weather changes, as does the climate, but its not what the temperature is at any particular month of the year, it is what your family, town, community is used to.
We all know its going to get colder in winter, and we don’t even think about it. Some of us, even like it…the colder it get’s the more snow, the better…Go ski-ing and get the sledge out, or make a slippy-curry(Oldham)Ice-slide
But we were all confident – or have been in relatively rich western/northern civilisation to go back to a warm home and warm food.
That has not changed much yet in 2022
The temperature is relatively mild for this time of year in both The Ukraine and The UK, and the countries in between.
But the Russians, have just bombed the shit out of The Ukrainian Electricity Grid, and The Americans have just bombed the shit out of The Germans, main gas supply
All for political reasons of extremely rich and powerful people, who are highly unlikely to go cold or hungry
WHEN THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF ENERGY OR FOOD.
I get the distinct impression, things are going to get incredibly worse, very soon, for all of us.
Prepare for it as best you can
They are trying to kill us all
Impoverish us, freeze us and starve us to death.
That is the people we have got in control of us.
They did covid, and now they are doing this
Deliberately SWITCHING THE POWER OFF
when there is no shortage of energy.
RESIST
they just want to get rid of us “Useless Eaters”
Share what you have got, go and see your elderly neighbour.
Knock on her door, ask if there is anything we can do
She will have her Pride, but be delighted to see you.
Just offer, can I get you some groceries in, or help with your heating?
Or she will freeze and starve to death.
How are you going to cope, when the electricty goes off?
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 12 2022 22:27 utc | 55

@ Haassaan | Oct 12 2022 22:25 utc | 54
The Russian Federation would not need to flood Western Ukraine with foreign migrants using ‘corporate whores’.
They could do it under a controlled government migration program. (there are plenty waiting to come in.)
The objective would be to permanently and irreversibly end Nazism there. That is a plausible goal to reach.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 22:34 utc | 56

Gabbard-Musk 2024

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 12 2022 22:37 utc | 57

or DeSantis-Gabbard 2024

Posted by: Willow | Oct 12 2022 22:40 utc | 58

Gabbard-Musk 2024 Cabinet:
> Secretary of State – Daniel McAdams
> Secretary of Defense – Douglas Macgregor
> National Security Advisor – Larry Johnson
> Ambassador to the UN – Ben Norton
> DHS Secretary – Garland Nixon
> CIA Director – John Kiriaku
> Immediate drop of all charges against Julian Assange.
For starters. … Clean DC out of all Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 22:51 utc | 59

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:26 utc | 10
Might I suggest adding in:
– western elites will relocate to Shanghai and in about 100 years China will collapse just like the West is about to.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 22:51 utc | 60

Ukraine lost a fighter jet near Vinnitsa tonight, trying to shoot a Shaheed drone. Apparently it crashed on its own. It’s quite telling that they are using remaining fighters trying so shoot down $25k drones. Especially telling of their real air defense capabilities.
Per wikipedia Ukraine had 80-90 fighter aircraft from the beginning of the war, and may have received anywhere between 100-200 more from Warsaw pact inventories. They are still randomly flying somewhere, but apparently they are no longer a big issue. Now the issue is fishing out air defense systems which can operate under the cover of Nato airborne radar assets.
Iris-T are only point defense systems, mostly.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2022 22:56 utc | 61

People here talk about the immigrants as if white people are somehow a superior species. It could be well argued that they are the worse. Endless wars and millions killed.
But do you know who brought them into your countries? The same evil that is waging war. Have you ever benefitted from these endless wars? NO!
Russia should bomb western Ukraine into oblivion which they have the capability to do, then turn the missiles to Europe.
The false propaganda Is overbearing and they need humbling soon
. China can destroy any boat thay sail into their waters. All this white sh.t is for domestic consumption. To keep away how hard it’s going to be.
Those ignorant illiterate morons in America need a couple of bombs. That’s all and then USA Is finished. Bullies are cowards.

Posted by: Karl luck | Oct 12 2022 22:59 utc | 62

A major UN vote today that:

Demands that the Russian Federation immediately and unconditionally
reverse its decisions of 21 February and 29 September 2022 related to the status of
certain areas of the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine,
as they are a violation of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and
inconsistent with the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and immediately,
completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory
of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders

Full text
Map of votes

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:00 utc | 63

Tom_Q_Collins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Blood
In 1972, Lawrence Turman at Columbia Pictures bought the film rights to First Blood for $175,000. Richard Brooks was slated to direct, and intended to have the film be an allegory on differing American perceptions of World War II and Vietnam War veterans, with Sheriff Teasle portrayed more sympathetically than in the novel. The film would have ended with Teasle ordering his men to drop their guns to try to reason with Rambo, who would have then been fatally shot by an unknown assailant. Brooks planned to start shooting First Blood in New Mexico in December 1972.[6] The film did not proceed because the Vietnam War was still underway and Brooks left the project[citation needed].
Afterward, John Calley purchased the rights at Warner Bros. Pictures for $125,000 with the thought of casting either Robert De Niro or Clint Eastwood as Rambo. A screenplay was written by Walter Newman with Martin Ritt intended to direct. The film would have criticized American military culture and portrayed Colonel Trautman as the film’s villain, ending with both Rambo and Teasle dying. Sydney Pollack and Martin Bregman also considered directing the film, with Bregman hiring David Rabe to write a script. After Bregman departed Mike Nichols considered directing Rabe’s script.
William Sackheim and Michael Kozoll wrote the screenplay that would be the basis of the final film in 1977, originally intending for John Badham to direct. Producer Carter DeHaven purchased Sackheim and Kozoll’s script from Warner Bros. for $375,000. DeHaven secured the Cinema Group as a financer and hired John Frankenheimer as director with production to begin in Georgia. This was also the first version of the script in which Rambo survived the film. However, the project stalled again after the distributor Filmways was acquired by Orion Pictures.[5]
After Mario Kassar and Andrew G. Vajna of Anabasis Investments read the book, they got interested in doing an adaptation as the first production of their studio Carolco Pictures funded by “in-house sources”. They purchased the film rights from Warner Bros. for $375,000 and Sackheim and Kozoll’s script for $125,000 in 1981.[6][7] Ted Kotcheff, who had been involved in the project in 1976, returned after Kassar and Vajna offered to finance one of his projects. Kotcheff offered the role of John Rambo to Sylvester Stallone, and the actor accepted after reading the script through in a weekend.[8]
Various scripts adapted from Morrell’s book had been pitched to studios in the years since its publication, but only Stallone’s involvement prompted its production. The time since the end of the Vietnam War and Stallone’s star power after the success of the Rocky films enabled him to rewrite the script to make the character of John Rambo more sympathetic. Morrell’s book has Rambo kill many of his pursuers, and Kozoll and Sackheim’s draft had him killing sixteen people, but in the movie Rambo does not directly cause the death of any police or national guardsmen. Stallone also decided to let Rambo survive the film, unlike in the book. A suicide scene was filmed but Kotcheff and Stallone opted to have Rambo turn himself in at Trautman’s urging.[8] Stallone did an estimated seven revisions of the script. Kotcheff requested further work be done on the script, which was performed by Larry Gross and David Giler.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:02 utc | 64

Good God Spare me from these naysaying trolls. For God’s sake, what do you expect Russia to do? Shoot down these air defense systems (which no way could have arrived in Ukraine today or 2moro or the next day) in European airspace? Yep WW3 coming up.
Is it not enough that Russia is destroying Western hi-tech military equipment at a rate of knots? Taking out Starlink? Shooting down HIMARS, HARM and other so called wunderwaffen on a daily basis to the extent Ukraine has almost run out?
Russian achievements are incredible in locating and taking out Western Weapons making them look ordinary.
Could the UK USA achieve this? No of course not. By the time these air defense systems arrive in Ukraine Russia will be on a major offensive with different weapons and different tactics.
Give it a rest it’s pathetic all your naysaying

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Oct 12 2022 23:08 utc | 65

“But do you know who brought them into your countries? The same evil that is waging war. Have you ever benefitted from these endless wars? NO”
Well we did get Tom Cruise because of the following.
I might point that Science and Magic, secret societies, have gone hand in hand since the beginning of time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard
“In August 1945, Hubbard moved into the Pasadena mansion of John “Jack” Whiteside Parsons. A leading rocket propulsion researcher at the California Institute of Technology and a founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Parsons led a double life as an avid occultist and Thelemite, follower of the English ceremonial magician Aleister Crowley and leader of a lodge of Crowley’s magical order, Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO).[78][79] He let rooms in the house only to tenants who he specified should be “atheists and those of a Bohemian disposition”.[80]
Hubbard befriended Parsons and soon became sexually involved with Parsons’s 21-year-old girlfriend, Sara “Betty” Northrup.[81] Despite this, Parsons was very impressed with Hubbard and reported to Crowley:
[Hubbard] is a gentleman; he has red hair, green eyes, is honest and intelligent, and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affection to Ron. Although he has no formal training in Magick, he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduced that he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He describes his Angel as a beautiful winged woman with red hair whom he calls the Empress and who has guided him through his life and saved him many times. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles.[82]
Hubbard, whom Parsons referred to in writing as “Frater H”,[83] became an enthusiastic collaborator in the Pasadena OTO. The two men collaborated on the “Babalon Working”, a sex magic ritual intended to summon an incarnation of Babalon, the supreme Thelemite Goddess. It was undertaken over several nights in February and March 1946 in order to summon an “elemental” who would participate in further sex magic.[84] As Richard Metzger describes it,
Parsons used his “magical wand” to whip up a vortex of energy so the elemental would be summoned. Translated into plain English, Parsons jerked off in the name of spiritual advancement whilst Hubbard (referred to as “The Scribe” in the diary of the event) scanned the astral plane for signs and visions.[85]
The “elemental” arrived a few days later in the form of Marjorie Cameron, who agreed to participate in Parsons’s rites.[84] Soon afterwards, Parsons, Hubbard and Sara agreed to set up a business partnership, “Allied Enterprises”, in which they invested nearly their entire savings—the vast majority contributed by Parsons. The plan was for Hubbard and Sara to buy yachts in Miami and sail them to the West Coast to sell for a profit. Hubbard had a different idea; he wrote to the U.S. Navy requesting permission to leave the country “to visit Central & South America & China” for the purposes of “collecting writing material”—in other words, undertaking a world cruise.[86] Aleister Crowley strongly criticized Parsons’s actions, writing: “Suspect Ron playing confidence trick—Jack Parsons weak fool—obvious victim prowling swindlers.” Parsons attempted to recover his money by obtaining an injunction to prevent Hubbard and Sara leaving the country or disposing of the remnants of his assets.[87] They attempted to sail anyway but were forced back to port by a storm. A week later, Allied Enterprises was dissolved. Parsons received only a $2,900 promissory note from Hubbard and returned home “shattered”. He had to sell his mansion to developers soon afterwards to recoup his losses.[88]
Hubbard and second wife Sara
Hubbard’s fellow writers were well aware of what had happened between him and Parsons. L. Sprague de Camp wrote to Isaac Asimov on August 27, 1946, to tell him:
The more complete story of Hubbard is that he is now in Fla. living on his yacht with a man-eating tigress named Betty-alias-Sarah, another of the same kind … He will probably soon thereafter arrive in these parts with Betty-Sarah, broke, working the poor-wounded-veteran racket for all its worth, and looking for another easy mark. Don’t say you haven’t been warned. Bob [Robert Heinlein] thinks Ron went to pieces morally as a result of the war. I think that’s fertilizer, that he always was that way, but when he wanted to conciliate or get something from somebody he could put on a good charm act. What the war did was to wear him down to where he no longer bothers with the act.[89]
On August 10, 1946, Hubbard bigamously married Sara, while still married to Polly. It was not until 1947 that his first wife learned that he had remarried. Hubbard agreed to divorce Polly in June that year and the marriage was dissolved shortly afterwards, with Polly given custody of the children.[90]
During this period, Hubbard authored a document which has been called the “Affirmations” (also referred to as the “Admissions”). They consist of a series of statements by and addressed to Hubbard, relating to various physical, sexual, psychological and social issues that he was encountering in his life. The Affirmations appear to have been intended to be used as a form of self-hypnosis with the intention of resolving the author’s psychological problems and instilling a positive mental attitude. In her book, Reitman called the Affirmations “the most revealing psychological self-assessment, complete with exhortations to himself, that [Hubbard] had ever made.”[91] Among the Affirmations:
“Your eyes are getting progressively better. They became bad when you used them as an excuse to escape the naval academy. You have no reason to keep them bad.”
“Your stomach trouble you used as an excuse to keep the Navy from punishing you. You are free of the Navy.”
“Your hip is a pose. You have a sound hip. It never hurts. Your shoulder never hurts.”
“Your foot was an alibi. The injury is no longer needed.”[21]
“You can tell all the romantic tales you wish. … But you know which ones were lies … You have enough real experience to make anecdotes forever. Stick to your true adventures.”
“Masturbation does not injure or make insane. Your parents were in error. Everyone masturbates.”[92]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Operation Paperclip was a secret United States intelligence program in which more than 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany to the U.S. for government employment after the end of World War II in Europe, between 1945 and 1959. Conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), it was largely carried out by special agents of the U.S. Army’s Counterintelligence Corps (CIC). Many of these personnel were former members, and some were former leaders of the Nazi Party.[1][2]
The primary purpose for Operation Paperclip was U.S. military advantage in the Soviet–American Cold War, and the Space Race. In a comparable operation, the Soviet Union relocated more than 2,200 German specialists—a total of more than 6,000 people including family members—with Operation Osoaviakhim during one night on October 22, 1946.[3]
In February 1945, Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) set up T-Force, or Special Sections Subdivision, which grew to over 2,000 personnel by June. T-Force examined 5,000 German targets with a high priority on synthetic rubber and oil catalysts, new designs in armored equipment, V-2 (rocket) weapons, jet and rocket propelled aircraft, naval equipment, field radios, secret writing chemicals, aero medicine research, gliders, and “scientific and industrial personalities”.[4]
When large numbers of German scientists began to be discovered in late April, Special Sections Subdivision set up the Enemy Personnel Exploitation Section to manage and interrogate them. The Enemy Personnel Exploitation Section established a detention center, DUSTBIN, first in Paris and later in Kransberg Castle outside Frankfurt. The US Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) established the first secret recruitment program, called Operation Overcast, on July 20, 1945, initially “to assist in shortening the Japanese war and to aid our postwar military research”.[5] The term “Overcast” was the name first given by the German scientists’ family members for the housing camp where they were held in Bavaria.[6] In late summer 1945, the JCS established the JIOA, a subcommittee of the Joint Intelligence Community, to directly oversee Operation Overcast and later Operation Paperclip.[7] The JIOA representatives included the army’s director of intelligence, the chief of naval intelligence, the assistant chief of Air Staff-2 (air force intelligence), and a representative from the State Department.[8] In November 1945, Operation Overcast was renamed Operation Paperclip by Ordnance Corps officers, who would attach a paperclip to the folders of those rocket experts whom they wished to employ in the United States.[6]
In a secret directive circulated on September 3, 1946, President Truman officially approved Operation Paperclip and expanded it to include 1,000 German scientists under “temporary, limited military custody

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:09 utc | 66

Yenwoda
“Postmodernity is said to be a culture of fragmentary sensations, eclectic nostalgia, disposable simulacra, and promiscuous superficiality, in which the traditionally valued qualities of depth, coherence, meaning, originality, and authenticity are evacuated or dissolved amid the random swirl of empty signals.”
― Jean Baudrillard
“Some scientists claim that hydrogen because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.”
Frank Zappa

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:16 utc | 67

Jo Dominich
Shhh, don’t tell anyone but Russia and China have already won.
So have their “friends”, if it is possible to actually have any in politics.

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:19 utc | 68

Himars and AGM-88 dropping like flies over Belgorod today by air defense. Some sources claim up to 100 himars. Very good advertisement for Russian weapons, not so much for US. Himars is basically still a dumb flight rocket, after all.
https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1580281018371538945

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2022 23:23 utc | 69

Mummer
If you pay attention you will notice the first two are different from the third which places “populist” first.
You guys really need to read some Korzybski or at least Semantics.
( Tiny hint, Gay/Lesbian have gone to LGBTQ+. No longer people just letters and a symbol. They have been dehumanized.)

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:25 utc | 70

” – The focus of conflict will move back to the middle east, where the US and ‘israel’ will gradually find it more difficult to continue their theft of Arab resources and where Iran will bring the conflict with israel to a head.
– israel’s gas theft operation in the Mediterranean will trigger a new war with Hezbollah
Stick a fork in it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:26 utc | 10 ”
You’re a funny guy as Lebanon has folded and just signed the on sided deal with Israhell.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:26 utc | 71

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:00 utc | 63
An unfortunate vote.
Means more of Ukraine will be lost to RF in near future and tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers will soon die once the RF offensive is launched after the ground has frozen in early November.
Of course if Ukraine stopped shelling Donetsk and NATO stopped supplying more weapons and money there might be an end to it. But since all the people who voted against Russia today are supporting those helping Ukraine to attack the RF and kill Russians, negotiations are not possible with such mutually ‘agreement-incapable’ parties and so…. the killing will continue.
The UN is finished. Maybe it can be reformed but, as with the USG, probably best just to let it die and the constitute something else later once the geopolitical tectonic plate shifts have settled. Probably in 5-10 years.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 12 2022 23:32 utc | 72

” The policing bill’s attack on Gypsies, Roma and Travellers
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Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:24 utc | 48 ”
The Gypsy, Roma, Traveler criminals had hundreds of years to integrate, yet they chose a life of crime and begging. They are hated in every part of the world they reside in for very good reasons.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:34 utc | 73

Scorpion
“tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers will soon die”
Go long organ harvesting. Anybody still not understanding why Israel established that medical center to aid injured Ukrainian soldiers?

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:36 utc | 74

” A major UN vote today that:
Demands that the Russian Federation immediately and unconditionally
reverse its decisions of 21 February and 29 September 2022 related to the status of
certain areas of the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine,
as they are a violation of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and
inconsistent with the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and immediately,
completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory
of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders ”
So where does Putin stand on international law, international organizations, and following legal obligations now ? Is Russia going to ignore the vote just like Putin’s partner Israhell does ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:43 utc | 75

“The Gypsy, Roma, Traveler criminals had hundreds of years to integrate, yet they chose a life of crime and begging. They are hated in every part of the world they reside in for very good reasons.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar”
Well reminds me of the old Lennon/Ono song
“Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is, think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it, do something about it
We make her paint her face and dance
If she won’t be aslave, we say that she don’t love us
If she’s real, we say she’s trying to be a man
While putting her down we pretend that she is above us
Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don’t believe me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Ah yeah, better scream about it
We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that she’s too unworldly to be our friend
Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don’t believe me take a look to the one you’re with
Oh woman is the slave to the slaves
Yeah, alright
We insult her everyday on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she’s young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb
Woman is the nigger of the world, yes she is
If you don’t believe me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yes she is, if you believe me, you better scream about it
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: John Lennon / Yoko Ono”

Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:45 utc | 76

@Scorpion #72,

Of course if Ukraine stopped shelling Donetsk and NATO stopped supplying more weapons and money there might be an end to it.

It strikes me that Ukraine’s reason for shelling Donetsk – to secure territory that it claimed – is identical to Russia’s reason for shelling Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, etc. The chief differences being that Donetsk is part of Ukraine according to international law, and that Donetsk city is intact and bustling after “8 years of genocidal shelling” while Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, etc. are uninhabitable piles of rubble after a few months of “slow and careful advances prioritizing the safety of civilians”.
In any case, it doesn’t seem like NATO is stopping weapons deliveries anytime soon. These are the planned deliveries that I’ve seen announced from the Ramstein-format summit. I’m sure I am missing plenty, it might be a fun activity for this forum to collaborate on the following and see if we can create a definitive list:
UK: AMRAAM missiles for NASAMS, 18 howitzers
France: 15 TRF1 howitzers “already delivered”, Crotale short range SAMs, 3 LRUs (upgraded M270), 6 CAESARs, radars
Germany: more PzhH2000s and MARS2s. Leopard 2s and Buffels to Czechia to Ringtausch something equivalent to Ukraine
Netherlands: $15M of AA missiles (probably AMRAAMS?)
Canada: $47M of aid including shells, winter uniforms, comms

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:46 utc | 77

fyi – some tidbits from Medvedev
https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1579878720164474880
The fastest way to bring the conflict in Ukraine to the point of no return is to arm the psychos in Kiev with longer-range MRLs.
The elderly leaders of Washington obkom and NATO upstarts must use their softened brains at least sometimes.
11:56 AM · Oct 11, 2022
https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1579878722668490753
One more thing. NATO Secretary General’s point that Russia’s victory would mean the Alliance’s defeat is an open confirmation of NATO’s participation in the war against our country. An unwise, but pure-hearted remark. The honest Norwegian fellow has finally admitted to it.
11:56 AM · Oct 11, 2022

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 13 2022 0:09 utc | 78

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:46 utc | 77
“The chief differences being that Donetsk is part of Ukraine according to international law, and that Donetsk city is intact and bustling after “8 years of genocidal shelling” while Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, etc. are uninhabitable piles of rubble after a few months of “slow and careful advances prioritizing the safety of civilians”.”
Ha ha!
Donetsk is not exactly ‘bustling’ with people in supermarkets being bombed to bits every so often and at least one shell a day landing in residential areas. Like all taking your side of the argument, the deaths of 14,000 or more in Donbass do not figure in your calculus. The illegal govt of Ukraine’s unlawful prohibition of the use of native Russian language in govt buildings, schools and media also doesn’t figure. The previous plebiscites and declaration of independence in 2015 (?) also doesn’t count, nor do the recent referenda with over 95% participation and virtual consensus. You just ignore them as did all the people today voting against ‘Russia’s unprovoked attack.’
So there are two sides who disagree. Your side insists that the side that disagrees with you should agree with you. How’s that working? Russia is in the same boat: she wants the other side to agree with her position but they won’t. Both sides maintain they are following UN law. There is no way of adjudicating it.
One thing is fairly certain: if the Ukraine government hadn’t outlawed the Russian language and then forcibly attacked Donbass who didn’t recognize their legitimacy – and I think even you would admit that 2014 was a US-backed coup since there was never a full election, and I think even you would admit that burning alive all those representatives in a govt building in Odessa was not a lawful or honorable act perpetrated by that same new (unlawful) government – then we wouldn’t be where we are. You can talk all you like about ‘Russia invading a sovereign state’ etc. but again: if the people in Donbass hadn’t been attacked and killed for 8 years there would be no retaliatory SMO.
The people in Donbass have voted to be part of the RF and according to international law their voices should be heard. But you refuse to acknowledge that they have even spoken.
Your position is without honor or decency, in short: deplorable.
I am truly sorry you feel the way you do. Because of such views we have wars, and because of such wars people needlessly die, often in brutal, painful ways.
So be it. As we sow, so shall we reap.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 0:36 utc | 79

For starters. … Clean DC out of all Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs.
Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 22:51 utc | 59
From your lips to God’s ears. Douglas McGregor has it exactly right. Putin is doing now what he should have done months ago. Zelensky is a CIA asset, best he be gotten rid of.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 13 2022 0:56 utc | 80

Fascinating interview with Former Putin Advisor, Andrei Illarionov:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbSKm6vHh5Q&t=1938s
Matters are not as simple as they appear.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:24 utc | 81

@ Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 0:36 utc | 79
thanks for articulating all that scorpion… it has to be said, but i do believe it falls on deaf ears… these folks have their minds made up ( by the western msm it appears)…all of your details are typically missing in the same western msm narratives being served…

Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 1:25 utc | 82

Finland and Sweden are no longer talking about joining to NATO

Posted by: Nick | Oct 13 2022 1:31 utc | 83

Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:24 utc | 81
it pays to know where these dudes get their pay check…………..
“Since April 2021, he (Andrey Illarionov) is a senior fellow at the non-governmental organization Center for Security Policy, which is based out of Washington, D.C. in the United States.” that is a critical bit of info that will alter ones perspective on what is being said…

Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 1:33 utc | 84

Muthaucker @ 80 “Zelensky is a CIA asset, best he be gotten rid of.”
But how can you that???
Zelensky is a Jew.
Zelensky is a Jew.
Zelensky is a Jew.

Posted by: Zelensky | Oct 13 2022 1:39 utc | 85

“Fascinating interview with Former Putin Advisor, Andrei Illarionov:
….”
LOL that guy sounds stupid. Hes saying Putin wants to change world order towards authoritarian leaders like himself and Xi.
Dude forgets USA has been propping up authoritarian leaders all over the world to keep hedgemony. Starting from the Saudis, Israelis, Iraq, Chile/Pinochet, Nicaragua and so many governments in Latin America, the list would be in the dozens.
What a joke this guy is. And his entire logic is flawed.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 13 2022 1:42 utc | 86

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 12 2022 19:44 utc | 24

Ukraine’s Defense Minister has hailed the arrival of the IRIS-T as the beginning of a “new era of air defense”

IRIS-T has never been tested on the battlefield.
No EU military has taken delivery of it to date.
Ukraine is a laboratory experiment, as usual …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:45 utc | 87

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:00 utc | 63
Ah, you got the power back!
How was it?

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2022 1:48 utc | 88

Maybe something a bit more uplifting. I check out both Graham Phillips and Patrick Lancaster video postings and I tend to like Phillips more because he’s not as long winded as Lancaster. Anyway, Graham and Vika back in Lyschansk today or yesterday, watching and helping hand out some humanitarian supplies to the residents. Life goes on as well as the war… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFy5gIWc9hc

Posted by: DakotaRog | Oct 13 2022 1:48 utc | 89

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:43 utc | 75

So where does Putin stand on international law … Is Russia going to ignore the vote just like Putin’s partner Israhell does ?

You are speaking of a shared hallucination.
There is no such thing as international law.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:48 utc | 90

Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 1:33 utc | 84
Thanks, I know the US politics, but Russia is a mystery to me. I sincerely dont know what to make of the gangster Putin meme.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:51 utc | 91

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:46 utc | 77

it might be a fun activity for this forum to collaborate on the following and see if we can create a definitive list:

What would be the point of this useless minutiae? Sound like something best left to one those silly 4chan forums.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:52 utc | 92

I can understand the British Banks, being a little bit OTT with security, but I am just trying to re-insure my car, with the same insurance company, as I have used over the last few years. They gave me almost the cheapeast quote, so I paid it, and so far as I can see it all went through, and I am insured to drive my car today..
Then, I get all these text messages on my phone. I didn’t recognise the number, so I phoned the bank up. I talked to a nice Scottish Girl, and then a nice English Girl…after getting through security which was not easy, when pissed and nearly 70
What was third letter of your first girlfriend’s name
Can you speak louder please. I am getting a bit deaf. I did not ask either of the girls to connect me to the computer…but it’s like I got Nicola Sturgeon, who was polite but didn’t have a clue, and then Liz Truss, who said your payment to the car insurance company has been declined.
So I asked, can I legally drive my car in the morning?
No not unless you pay the fee again.
So I log on to the insurance company..and my bank statement. It has all been paid, and accepted on both sides.
I have just wasted another hour of my life, though it was nice chatting to these two girls, my wife may think I have been talking to my Ex, or My “Sis”
I suppose it relieves their boredom, talking to me. I am always nice and polite, if I can understand a word they say.
The English Girl noticed, I had a different phone. I said yeh, but its the same sim card.
Why are you using that phone – it’s a different operating system
Just to check your security love (Oh yes – I can fantasise at the age of 69)
Nice talking to you.
Yorkshire Girl (I guess)
And the entire world hates us English…Well why do you keep coming here then?
Fuck Off to the USA
They used to blame the Jews.
I think Shakespeare told them to Fuck Off.
Now they blame us English, even now.
It’s The Americans trying to Impoverish Us in Europe
and stop writing shit on my computer, or I will get my son to trace you
Tony

Posted by: tonyomoc | Oct 13 2022 1:52 utc | 93

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:29 utc | 11
Thus shall the prophecy of Gog of Magog be fulfilled.
The evil from beyond Dul Qurnain’s wall of steel will be unleashed upon the earth.
Do you mean Gog/Magog = Russia? Many scholars believe this to be true, however it is more likely NATO expansion represents the rise of Gog/Magog. Potentially the most evil organisation in history masquerading as peacekeepers.
Ezekial 38:
“Son of man, direct your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince, leader of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy concerning him. Say: Thus said the Lord: Behold, I am against you, Gog, the prince, leader of Meshech and Tubal … Persia, Cush and Put will be with you … also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.”

Posted by: MG | Oct 13 2022 1:54 utc | 94

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:26 utc | 71

Lebanon has folded and just signed the on sided deal with Israhell

So, according to your ‘logic’, the salvation of the Western world rests on a fuel deal between a mafia state and a colonial occupier who could break out in war at any point.
Like I said: Stick a fork in it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:57 utc | 95

Posted by: MG | Oct 13 2022 1:54 utc | 94

Do you mean Gog/Magog = Russia?

I’m am following Sheikh Imran Hossein’s Islamic eschatological interpretation (Yajuj and Majuj), according to which:
– Russia (“Al Rum”) is the inheritor of Rome via Byzantium.
– Yajuj and Majuj are a race living along the Black Sea
– They were sealed behind a giant wall of steel and copper created by either Cyrus the Great or Alexander the Great (“Dul Qarnain”) according to the Hadith.
– Hossein locates this barrier at the Dariel Gorge (on the border between Russia and Georgia):

The Darial originates from Dar-i Alān (در الان) meaning “Gate of the Alans” in Persian. The Alans held the lands north of the pass in the first centuries AD. It has been fortified in ancient times by the Romans and Persians; the fortification was variously known as the Iberian Gates[a] or the Caucasian Gates.[2] The pass is mentioned in the Georgian annals under the names of Darialani; Strabo calls it Porta Caucasica and Porta Cumana; Ptolemy, Fortes Sarmatica; it was sometimes known as Porta Caucasica and Portae Caspiae (a name bestowed also on the “gate” or pass beside the Caspian Sea at Derbent); and the Tatars call it Darioly.[3][1][3]
Josephus wrote that Alexander the Great built iron gates at an unspecified pass[4] which some Latin and Greek authors identified with Darial.[5]

One indication of who Gog of Magog might be is the prophecy that: “They will pass by the sea of Galilee and after it will be drained of water …”
It could well be a race of people in that general region …
Sheikh Imran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3SKYKdgThI

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:13 utc | 96

Matters are not as simple as they appear.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:24 utc | 81
Thanks for that link Turk. Fascinating insight. BTW I have come around on Putin. I am still not a big fan, but I am understanding the Russian mindset.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 13 2022 2:16 utc | 97

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Oct 12 2022 23:08 utc | 65

Give it a rest it’s pathetic all your naysaying

These people are paid to run propaganda ops.
What do you expect them to do for a living?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:27 utc | 98

Posted by: GoFast | Oct 12 2022 19:14 utc | 21

Hey are people following the Elon Musk situation?

Musk is irrelevant. Nobody gives a shit about Musk.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:34 utc | 99

@Arch Bungle,

I’m am following Sheikh Imran Hossein’s Islamic eschatological interpretation (Yajuj and Majuj), according to which:
– Russia (“Al Rum”) is the inheritor of Rome via Byzantium.
– Yajuj and Majuj are a race living along the Black Sea
– They were sealed behind a giant wall of steel and copper created by either Cyrus the Great or Alexander the Great (“Dul Qarnain”) according to the Hadith.
– Hossein locates this barrier at the Dariel Gorge (on the border between Russia and Georgia):

Thanks for steering us away from pointless minutae, I guess.
But how many hoplites can dance on the ramparts of Alexander’s great wall of steel?

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 13 2022 2:36 utc | 100