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October 12, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-170
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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United States wants the West to jointly create an integrated air defense system of Ukraine and transfer missile systems of various ranges to Kiev – Lloyd Austin at the Rammstein meeting Posted by: rk | Oct 12 2022 17:14 utc | 1 Will Credit Suisse be the European version of Lehman Brothers? Posted by: Paulg | Oct 12 2022 17:46 utc | 2 “Ukraine’s elites had given into promises of great financial rewards by foreigners who controlled the IMF but who also had an agenda to bring down the economy and government of Russia. The demand by American and European elites in return for billions of dollars in aid and military protection — was for the government of Ukraine to fight a bloody and unwinnable war with Russia over control of the resource rich Donbas region. And also to change their laws for neoliberal reforms to allow the foreign buying of land and businesses.” From Zelenskyy Begs For NATO Entrance After Destruction Of Nordstream or: “There must be some way out of here” Said the joker to the thief Posted by: Kali El | Oct 12 2022 17:50 utc | 3 “It was only a matter of time until American and European financial control over the world would end as more and more countries became dependent on China and Russia for their imports and exports, for loans, for weapons, etc. The elites of America and Europe could see the writing on the wall and were determined to put a stop it. Brutalizing the average people for the selfish schemes of elites, for personal power and enrichment, is being seen for what it is. What does that portend for European leaders and their institutions? The Great Reset may not be the reset they thought it would be…” From Zelenskyy Begs For NATO Entrance After Destruction Of Nordstream or: “There must be some way out of here” Said the joker to the thief Posted by: Kali El | Oct 12 2022 17:51 utc | 4 This is best analyses this far for the situation in Ukraine Posted by: Gonzo | Oct 12 2022 18:03 utc | 5 The US accepts Ukrainian refugees. If a Ukrainian shows up at the Mexico-US border, they are welcomed as a refugee and admitted to the US. If you are from Haiti and show up at the Mexican border you are deported back to Haiti. The place is now a warzone. There are marauding armed groups blocking the port in Haiti. Without fuel, hospitals have stopped functioning and water is cut off. Why would the US deport one group back to a war zone but accept another as refugees? There is a simple explanation. The Biden administration is racist against black people. Posted by: haitilibre | Oct 12 2022 18:11 utc | 6 Oh poor Russia. Just go home. This is terrible. Oh no. Oh no. For love of the world. As ever, we are being played. With all technologic mastery at hand, and in the face of ecocide, we will play war. Like most of our primitive ways. Oh gosh. Freedom for all. The four freedoms. Posted by: Ahole | Oct 12 2022 18:17 utc | 7 It is clear that Russian leadership does not understand the situation. Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 18:24 utc | 8 In Simpsons cartoon there is character who points finger and says “ha-ha”. That is the situation right now. Posted by: nrg-2u | Oct 12 2022 18:24 utc | 9 I think it’s clear now where all this is heading: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:26 utc | 10 Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 18:24 utc | 8
Thus shall the prophecy of Gog of Magog be fulfilled. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:29 utc | 11 Nelson Muntz has a sensitive side as well you know…..His mom is often in jail and I am not sure he even has a father! Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 12 2022 18:31 utc | 12 Well my last post citing Haaretz, The Guardian, and NYT spanning at least four years regarding Ukranian organ harvesting by Israel was deleted. Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 18:33 utc | 13 haitilibre | Oct 12 2022 18:11 utc | 6 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 12 2022 18:36 utc | 14 Question: Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Oct 12 2022 18:37 utc | 15 @ Arch Bungle Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Oct 12 2022 18:47 utc | 16 Arch Bungle @ 10
I’d say you are out over your skis, but what the heck – hear! hear! Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2022 18:48 utc | 17 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2022 18:48 utc | 16 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:55 utc | 18 George Webb: Not entirely clear what he is predicting, but it sounds like the RF Black Sea fleet need to be on their A game. Is he a reliable / insightful journalist? – I get mixed reports. But to me the idea that a blitz of the RF Black Sea fleet and the use of a tactical nuke will bring Russia to heel in negotiations seems ridiculous to me. In fact I think it could even be goodby Ramstein and or Incirlik. Posted by: Ajb | Oct 12 2022 19:01 utc | 19 Gonzo | Oct 12 2022 18:03 utc | 5 Posted by: rk | Oct 12 2022 19:06 utc | 20 A concept for the De-Nazification of Western (and central) Ukraine Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 19:13 utc | 21 Hey are people following the Elon Musk situation? Posted by: GoFast | Oct 12 2022 19:14 utc | 22 Back to Ukraine organ harvesting. Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:38 utc | 23 Posted by: haitilibre | Oct 12 2022 18:11 utc | 6 Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Oct 12 2022 19:42 utc | 24 Kiev receives first unit of German air defense system Posted by: Zanon | Oct 12 2022 19:44 utc | 25 GoFast Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:47 utc | 26 Would someone please tell the owners of SouthFront that their “map updates” they still call “military situation in Ukraine” and “military situation in eastern Ukraine” have been out of date for many days? They now show the orange ‘border’ lines in the wrong places. Posted by: Dalit | Oct 12 2022 19:51 utc | 27 Mummer Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:51 utc | 28 Gonzo@5 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 19:55 utc | 29 Kiev receives first unit of German air defense system Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 19:57 utc | 30 Has the bombing of Ukrainian energy infrastructure continued today ? Posted by: Abeille Flandres | Oct 12 2022 19:57 utc | 31 good post, b. Posted by: dadooronron | Oct 12 2022 19:59 utc | 32 “DOD/CIA bases and biowarfare labs on the borders between Russia and China, from which to destabilise China by funding. training, arming many brigades of “freedom fighters” inside China.” Posted by: Blissex | Oct 12 2022 20:00 utc | 33 It should come as no surprise that Putin will even give his own coat off his back to a friend. In this case Sheik Mohamad bin Zayed. That handshake was genuine. Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 12 2022 20:02 utc | 34 Soon we shall seen NATO soldiers in Ukraine. Posted by: marko | Oct 12 2022 20:04 utc | 35 Gully Foyle@13 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:06 utc | 36 Ugh, two more to add to the list of unfettered “narrative” pushers. Now includes slowgo and Zelenskyy-anon. Still undecided about this last poster as it vacillates between pushing narrative and plain debating style arguments. LOL. Short read on this particular thread but still rather informative reading. Posted by: Arcticman | Oct 12 2022 20:13 utc | 37 ” Almost unbelievable, how despicable some people can become, with no regard whatsoever for the lives of people they may personally consider as mere “Goyim” or “cattle”. So now, the Albanian criminals in Kosovo have serious competition in the human organ harvesting shtick. Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 20:20 utc | 38 Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 20:20 utc | 38 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 20:24 utc | 39 Blissex@32 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:41 utc | 40 Joeblow@35 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:44 utc | 41 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:44 utc | 41 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 20:50 utc | 42 Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 12 2022 20:44 utc | 41 Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 12 2022 20:52 utc | 43 Oh great another group of dickheads let into the country this time Ukrainian refugees ready to line up for some freebies. Posted by: Deplorable Cro magno | Oct 12 2022 20:54 utc | 44 Why would 1 or even 5 or 10 German/Norwegian/American/Israeli air defense systems matter? Posted by: c1ue | Oct 12 2022 21:01 utc | 45 @ Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 19:51 utc | 27 Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 21:10 utc | 46 Tom_Q_Collins Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:13 utc | 47 Mummer Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:24 utc | 48 @ Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:24 utc | 48 Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 21:35 utc | 49 Mummer Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:39 utc | 50 Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:13 utc | 47 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 12 2022 21:48 utc | 51 @ Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 21:39 utc | 50 Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 21:54 utc | 52 Low comment counts lately. Hmmmmm … where are all the trolls? Cowards. Posted by: LastLaugh | Oct 12 2022 22:24 utc | 53 The far right doesn’t even want to expel immigrants. Underneath that populist veneer are the biggest corporate whores around. Corporate whores need plentiful cheap and desperate labor to profit from. Sure, they will give their base the old xenophobic song and dance, but underneath it all they want their surplus labor divided and fighting along racial lines, not expelled, like the good fascists they are. Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 12 2022 22:25 utc | 54 We all know the weather changes, as does the climate, but its not what the temperature is at any particular month of the year, it is what your family, town, community is used to. Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 12 2022 22:27 utc | 55 @ Haassaan | Oct 12 2022 22:25 utc | 54 Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 22:34 utc | 56 Gabbard-Musk 2024 Cabinet: Posted by: Mummer | Oct 12 2022 22:51 utc | 59 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:26 utc | 10 Ukraine lost a fighter jet near Vinnitsa tonight, trying to shoot a Shaheed drone. Apparently it crashed on its own. It’s quite telling that they are using remaining fighters trying so shoot down $25k drones. Especially telling of their real air defense capabilities. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2022 22:56 utc | 61 People here talk about the immigrants as if white people are somehow a superior species. It could be well argued that they are the worse. Endless wars and millions killed. A major UN vote today that:
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:00 utc | 63 Tom_Q_Collins Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:02 utc | 64 Good God Spare me from these naysaying trolls. For God’s sake, what do you expect Russia to do? Shoot down these air defense systems (which no way could have arrived in Ukraine today or 2moro or the next day) in European airspace? Yep WW3 coming up. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Oct 12 2022 23:08 utc | 65 “But do you know who brought them into your countries? The same evil that is waging war. Have you ever benefitted from these endless wars? NO” Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:09 utc | 66 Yenwoda Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:16 utc | 67 Jo Dominich Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:19 utc | 68 Himars and AGM-88 dropping like flies over Belgorod today by air defense. Some sources claim up to 100 himars. Very good advertisement for Russian weapons, not so much for US. Himars is basically still a dumb flight rocket, after all. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2022 23:23 utc | 69 Mummer Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:25 utc | 70 ” – The focus of conflict will move back to the middle east, where the US and ‘israel’ will gradually find it more difficult to continue their theft of Arab resources and where Iran will bring the conflict with israel to a head. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:26 utc | 71 Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:00 utc | 63 ” The policing bill’s attack on Gypsies, Roma and Travellers Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:34 utc | 73 Scorpion Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:36 utc | 74 ” A major UN vote today that: Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:43 utc | 75 “The Gypsy, Roma, Traveler criminals had hundreds of years to integrate, yet they chose a life of crime and begging. They are hated in every part of the world they reside in for very good reasons. Posted by: Gully Foyle | Oct 12 2022 23:45 utc | 76 @Scorpion #72,
It strikes me that Ukraine’s reason for shelling Donetsk – to secure territory that it claimed – is identical to Russia’s reason for shelling Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, etc. The chief differences being that Donetsk is part of Ukraine according to international law, and that Donetsk city is intact and bustling after “8 years of genocidal shelling” while Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, etc. are uninhabitable piles of rubble after a few months of “slow and careful advances prioritizing the safety of civilians”. Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:46 utc | 77 fyi – some tidbits from Medvedev Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 13 2022 0:09 utc | 78 Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:46 utc | 77 For starters. … Clean DC out of all Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 13 2022 0:56 utc | 80 Fascinating interview with Former Putin Advisor, Andrei Illarionov: Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:24 utc | 81 @ Scorpion | Oct 13 2022 0:36 utc | 79 Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 1:25 utc | 82 Finland and Sweden are no longer talking about joining to NATO Posted by: Nick | Oct 13 2022 1:31 utc | 83 Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:24 utc | 81 Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 1:33 utc | 84 Muthaucker @ 80 “Zelensky is a CIA asset, best he be gotten rid of.” Posted by: Zelensky | Oct 13 2022 1:39 utc | 85 “Fascinating interview with Former Putin Advisor, Andrei Illarionov: Posted by: Comandante | Oct 13 2022 1:42 utc | 86 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 12 2022 19:44 utc | 24
IRIS-T has never been tested on the battlefield. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:45 utc | 87 Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:00 utc | 63 Posted by: hopehely | Oct 13 2022 1:48 utc | 88 Maybe something a bit more uplifting. I check out both Graham Phillips and Patrick Lancaster video postings and I tend to like Phillips more because he’s not as long winded as Lancaster. Anyway, Graham and Vika back in Lyschansk today or yesterday, watching and helping hand out some humanitarian supplies to the residents. Life goes on as well as the war… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFy5gIWc9hc Posted by: DakotaRog | Oct 13 2022 1:48 utc | 89 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:43 utc | 75
You are speaking of a shared hallucination. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:48 utc | 90 Posted by: james | Oct 13 2022 1:33 utc | 84 Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 13 2022 1:51 utc | 91 Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 12 2022 23:46 utc | 77
What would be the point of this useless minutiae? Sound like something best left to one those silly 4chan forums. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:52 utc | 92 I can understand the British Banks, being a little bit OTT with security, but I am just trying to re-insure my car, with the same insurance company, as I have used over the last few years. They gave me almost the cheapeast quote, so I paid it, and so far as I can see it all went through, and I am insured to drive my car today.. Posted by: tonyomoc | Oct 13 2022 1:52 utc | 93 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2022 18:29 utc | 11 Posted by: MG | Oct 13 2022 1:54 utc | 94 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 12 2022 23:26 utc | 71
So, according to your ‘logic’, the salvation of the Western world rests on a fuel deal between a mafia state and a colonial occupier who could break out in war at any point. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 1:57 utc | 95 Posted by: MG | Oct 13 2022 1:54 utc | 94
I’m am following Sheikh Imran Hossein’s Islamic eschatological interpretation (Yajuj and Majuj), according to which:
One indication of who Gog of Magog might be is the prophecy that: “They will pass by the sea of Galilee and after it will be drained of water …” Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:13 utc | 96 Matters are not as simple as they appear. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 13 2022 2:16 utc | 97 Posted by: Jo Dominich | Oct 12 2022 23:08 utc | 65
These people are paid to run propaganda ops. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:27 utc | 98 Posted by: GoFast | Oct 12 2022 19:14 utc | 21
Musk is irrelevant. Nobody gives a shit about Musk. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 13 2022 2:34 utc | 99 @Arch Bungle,
Thanks for steering us away from pointless minutae, I guess. Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 13 2022 2:36 utc | 100 |
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