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October 9, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-169
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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”.. I’d advise Putin not to go to G20”. It makes no diff even if they bump off Pu2, as he makes no decisions, nor writes any speeches. In any case a new politico or General would take over. Put1 went to Geneva a few years ago for the alleged birth of a daughter. 2 weeks later Put2 appeared. with a new round face, no more with his prominent chin, now with different eyes and earlobes, with a new non-Judo belly, with more hair and the loss of his old German & Judo skills.. & his wife. Old video of Put1 with late Fr. Prez. Chirac, or any old photos show a different guy to Put2. Put’s Ghost locals call him. IMO, maybe after the failure of Put1 to follow through after the Donbas victory in 2014, and allowing the nato to build up, was the last straw for the Russ MIC/top dogs. Posted by: Thomas Turk | Oct 10 2022 3:07 utc | 201 Yesterday someone brought up “Why not a tunnel instead of a bridge?” Aside from the considerable symbolic value the bridge controls the nature of traffic on the sea lane from the Black Sea to the Azov limiting the size and type of vessels that can transit. Not so with a tunnel. Posted by: Martina | Oct 10 2022 3:08 utc | 202 @Martina | Oct 10 2022 3:08 utc | 200 Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 10 2022 3:31 utc | 203 Has it occurred to anyone else that any fascist POW released from Russian custody will become legal targets again soon? Posted by: RMY_grendel | Oct 10 2022 3:44 utc | 204 The Kerch Strait Bridge epitomizes all that is f*cked up with Ukrainian economic policy and their brain dead political class. It should have been built as planned as a joint economic venture benefiting two neighboring states. Instead it has become an icon of Ukrainian wrath. Instead of capitalizing on their close, profitable, and important economic ties with Russia they turned their back on their neighbors and prostituted themselves to the West and contracted economic and political syphilis as a consequence. In hoc to the IMF, economy ruined, they are now fighting a war with Russia they cannot win and wasting their most precious resource, their youth, in the process. This whole tragic state of affairs lays bare the sheer evilness, depravity, and inhumanity of Western geopolitical policies. Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 10 2022 3:58 utc | 205 Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 10 2022 3:31 utc | 201 Posted by: Martina | Oct 10 2022 4:19 utc | 206 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:45 utc | 62 Posted by: scuppers | Oct 10 2022 4:29 utc | 207 Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 10 2022 3:58 utc | 203 Posted by: Martina | Oct 10 2022 4:31 utc | 208 Posted by: Martina | Oct 10 2022 4:19 utc | 204
Think about NS1, NS2, Power of Siberia 1&2 etc … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 4:40 utc | 209 @bar Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 4:59 utc | 210 Anyone else think Musk’s “peace plan” was a load of crap designed to bring attention to Ukraine so they had an audience for the bridge show? Posted by: OohCanada | Oct 10 2022 5:03 utc | 211 @308 the pessimist Posted by: Giyane | Oct 10 2022 5:17 utc | 212 Crimea Kerch bridge attack… Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 5:19 utc | 213 blowing up the NordStream pipelines and the terrorist attack on/attempt to blow up the Crimean bridge are both “tremendous opportunities” (to quote Secr of State Blinkey)…… Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2022 5:21 utc | 214 Early reports of a Russian missile strike in central Kiev.. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 5:39 utc | 215 Explosions rock Kyiv in apparent missile strikes Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 5:52 utc | 216 Vid. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 5:59 utc | 217 @ Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 5:52 utc | 214 with the twitter link…thanks….LOL! Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2022 6:02 utc | 218 BBC now reporting Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 6:03 utc | 219 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-63193124?at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_custom4=EAE49A2C-485F-11ED-BB13-0F322152A482&at_custom3=%40BBCBreaking&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D# Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 6:11 utc | 220 I repeat, even if the truck explosion is not a Ukr attack, it is now quite convenient for Russia. That bridge is a civilian infrastructure. Today’s missile arrivals in Kiev, if that news is true, is result of that Ukr/US/most probably UK foolishness. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 6:13 utc | 221 It could have been a triggered explosion but it seems even more complicated since the observers wouldn’t know how long unloading takes, and I assume they would need to have visual on the truck, which might expose them to being spotted should they loiter around, plus it seems the only place to trigger it would be from the bridge, behind the truck, making them stuck on the bridge, which is all possible, but they chance losing their cover later with all the security cameras. I also imagine that with the explosion being so large it seems very unlikely that it could be hidden from either drivers, or the people loading and unloading it. Again, it seems that it was a gasoline explosion judging by the fireball and the falling embers and not conventional explosives or fertilizer/ammonium nitrate. Theres a video from early in the SMO of a Ukranian truck blowing up at a distribution/depo as it’s getting loaded/unloaded, it claims to be weapons and has a fireball about a quarter as large as this explosion, but it hardly pulverizes the semi or the loading dock/building, the whole thing seems ducktapable! This explosion is much larger, almost all fireball and no visible shockwave (could be the low illumination), so hiding such device to create such a fireball seems improbable. psychohistorian | Oct 10 2022 6:02 utc | 216 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 6:16 utc | 224 Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 9 2022 20:29 utc | 134 Posted by: HelenB | Oct 10 2022 6:17 utc | 225 The head of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, reported to Vladimir Putin that, without a doubt, the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge was staged by the Ukrainian special services. Moreover, citizens of Russia and foreign states participated in it at different stages of preparation. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 6:20 utc | 226 Reuters: Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 6:23 utc | 227 Put Kiev’s sodden lights out, should’ve been done yonks ago. Is it only Donbass folks who should be crouching in basements? Posted by: WTFUD | Oct 10 2022 6:31 utc | 228 BBC LIVE Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 6:31 utc | 229 Vid of Kiev. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 6:40 utc | 231 Tweets about a hit on Z’s offices. Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 10 2022 6:41 utc | 232 Excellent start to the morning. It’s time to reduce Kiev to rubble. Posted by: Night Tripper | Oct 10 2022 6:42 utc | 233 Paulg | Oct 10 2022 6:34 utc | 227 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 6:43 utc | 234 What do you mean with “destroy steel”? Fire can for sure HEAT steel, causing BENDING and SOFTENING. In case of the WTC, the bending was the primary cause of the collapse. How? -> Read this post on MoA Jul 28 2022 19:14 utc | 242 here. Posted by: MiniMo | Oct 10 2022 6:50 utc | 235 One hand of God is soft and supple. It is the first attempt to welcome sinners home. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 10 2022 7:06 utc | 236
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 7:26 utc | 237 No No No No! Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 10 2022 7:29 utc | 238 At least two TPPs (Kiev, Burshtynska) are hit, with confirming video. Looks like Russia is going to do the infrastructure thing. We will have to see if it’s another ‘warning shot’ or if they go all the way. Each time they do this it will be harder to stabilized the Ukrainian grid. Posted by: dask | Oct 10 2022 7:34 utc | 239 All the western MSM shouts about Russia is attacking Ukrainian civilians, but at the same time they also state that the cities don’t have electricity. So, is it civilians or infrastructure were attacked? Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 7:35 utc | 240 Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 10 2022 7:29 utc | 235 Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 10 2022 7:35 utc | 241 Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 7:26 utc | 234 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 7:36 utc | 242 What happens when one crosses all the red lines? Posted by: whirlX | Oct 10 2022 7:40 utc | 243 Are Western sponsors of Ukraine now happy that Russia turned on the heat a bit more? Ordinary ppl die while the leadership and their families sit comfy far away. Russia has the escalation dominance over everything Ukraine & its sponsors can offer short of a NATO intervention with mobilization all over Europe (one I wont take part in, because I wont fight for those warmonger who refuse to negotiate peace). Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Oct 10 2022 7:40 utc | 244 From telegram(s) Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 7:46 utc | 245 … They do allow it. … Your masters and owners take pleasure from this. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 10 2022 7:50 utc | 246 Some experts do not rule out issuing a 48-hour ultimatum to Ukraine after today’s meeting of the Russian Security Council Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 7:51 utc | 247 … At least from that angle it seems nothing exploded under it. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 10 2022 8:04 utc | 249 Tear your eyes away from the burniung bridge – two pieces of news which look to alter the course of the war and it’s outcome Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 10 2022 8:09 utc | 250 “Army General S.V. Surovikin: “For the enemies of Russia, the morning does not start with coffee”” Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 10 2022 8:09 utc | 251 Why is Lvov hit? Maybe because that’s where Zelly is hiding underground, ready to run away to Poland. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 8:12 utc | 252 From Slavyangrad
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13150 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:13 utc | 253 “…the reality that the Russian belief that are under attack is based upon decades of fact?” Posted by: Cережа | Oct 10 2022 8:15 utc | 254 Twitter…”Asking for a friend”
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 8:15 utc | 255 From Slavyangrad
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13158 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:15 utc | 256
https://t.me/battleinsights/6023 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:17 utc | 257 Down South @ 254 Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 8:22 utc | 259 Melaleuca @ 252
Replying for a friend: In McMansions all around the suburbs of DC and Maryland, ranch homes in Wyoming, 5000sq apts. in Manhattan, and some more McMansions all around the Bay area and Seattle. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 10 2022 8:24 utc | 260 Konashenkov’s next press briefing is going to be an entire spreadsheet. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 8:24 utc | 261 No trolls, no hand wringers? Perhaps their day did not start with a cup of coffee? Be interesting to see if this created a snowstorm in Zelensky’s quarters. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 10 2022 8:26 utc | 262 The Danish Baltic Sea island of Bornholm is completely cut off from the power supply. This is reported by the Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 8:27 utc | 263 I spoke to soon. “How was Russia under attack when it invaded Ossetia in 2008?” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 10 2022 8:30 utc | 264
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13181 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:31 utc | 265 Zelensky Oct 8:
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1578429506418663429?cxt=HHwWioCjkb7R2ucrAAAA Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 8:32 utc | 266 If electricity would get cut out, the fuel pumps won’t work. Looming fuel crisis in Ukraine. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 10 2022 8:33 utc | 267
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13182 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:33 utc | 268 Someone likes to make an entrance 😀 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 10 2022 8:34 utc | 269 … The road bridge is continuous, it was fabricated on land and pushed out over its piers. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 10 2022 8:36 utc | 270
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13185 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:36 utc | 271 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:15 utc | 253
Looks like Poland just scored itself a new mouth to feed. Hope they have the gas to carry Ukraine through the Winter. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 8:36 utc | 272 Ukrainian governors are telling residents to stop publishing photos and footage of explosions — Ukrainian media Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 8:38 utc | 273 And no way I’m stopping drinking now; bye bye Monday 😛 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 10 2022 8:38 utc | 274
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13186 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:40 utc | 275 This seems to be the penultimate strike of its kind. From the grid perspective, this looks like it can still be balanced (e.g. grid can be brought back up), but now Ukraine will be electricity import reliant rather than exporting, heaping more misery on European consumers and raising the price drastically inside Ukraine. The NPPs don’t yet have to go into shutdown. One more strike like this, and the grid of Ukraine will be down for months. Look at the lead time on parts for the grid, particularly substation transformers… In Europe and US, good luck getting one within 18 months. Posted by: dask | Oct 10 2022 8:40 utc | 276
Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:41 utc | 277 https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1579391060295315458?cxt=HHwWhMCj5aTzj-srAAAA Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 8:41 utc | 278 http://kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/69565 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 10 2022 8:41 utc | 279
Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:44 utc | 280 it is beginning Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2022 8:44 utc | 281
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13189 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:46 utc | 282
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13178 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 8:48 utc | 283 @245 Nighttripper Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 10 2022 8:48 utc | 284 @bar bridge explosive obsessives….. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 8:49 utc | 285 And no way I’m stopping drinking now; bye bye Monday 😛 Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 10 2022 8:51 utc | 286 Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 10 2022 8:48 utc | 281
Just like in Iraq. Doesn’t stop them wrecking the country completely though. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 8:52 utc | 287 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 10 2022 8:52 utc | 288 I speak from personal experience of no electricity due to total grid failure; It means that the most blasé is surprisingly affected Posted by: Lapin | Oct 10 2022 8:53 utc | 289 Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 10 2022 8:48 utc | 281 Posted by: DaVinci | Oct 10 2022 8:58 utc | 290 @ anon2020 | Oct 10 2022 8:36 utc | 267 Posted by: Lapin | Oct 10 2022 8:59 utc | 291 Da’am ma’am dat fast. Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 9:00 utc | 292
https://t.me/azmilitary11/24219
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13198 Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2022 9:00 utc | 293 Well i think the bridge convos are over. Onto the utter disbelief of tik tokkers and media hiding under news desks as the city infrastructure is taken out. Now survival kicks in as winter comes. Waiting for all those empty transport planes after unloading weapons to then fill up with ukie refugees for the return flight to usa. /s Posted by: Hankster | Oct 10 2022 9:01 utc | 294 Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 10 2022 8:48 utc | 281 Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Oct 10 2022 9:02 utc | 295 selfie sticks and smart phone cameras can no longer be recharged… Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 9:02 utc | 296 As Kissinger said, the only thing worse than being an enemy of the US, is being its friend. Though I suspect UK has a lot to do with this, with the various terrorist attacks that has now caused Russia to look at Ukraine as a terrorist caliphate. Here there are no moderates to sort from the jihadists. They all fight to the death to defend their right to kill the ethnic Russians. Brain washed and zombiefied by western propaganda. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 10 2022 9:03 utc | 297 Very glad to announce that as of today, Ukraine can export electricity to the EU market. Posted by: Lapin | Oct 10 2022 9:04 utc | 298 I wonder if there will be postage stamps? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 9:05 utc | 299 “The evacuation of Western ambassadors has begun.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 9:06 utc | 300 |
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