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October 9, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-169
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Sorry pro-Ukies…a suicide truck bomb on a 17 mile long bridge is comical at best.
Posted by: Ivan | Oct 9 2022 18:30 utc | 101
Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Oct 9 2022 18:18 utc | 98
I agree with every word you wrote.
Posted by: JB | Oct 9 2022 18:36 utc | 102
The new ammunition variant for the long-range rocket system, supplied by the US, is designed to blast almost 200,000 tungsten ball bearings across a large area, causing damage to troops and soft skinned vehicles.
Ukraine’s newest weapon: special Himars rockets that can devastate huge areas in one blast
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 9 2022 18:36 utc | 103
A similar collapse occurred in Oakland, CA on the major interchange that feeds north-south and east-west traffic to the Bay Bridge. A tanker truck changed lanes and the fuel inside the tank shifted, toppling the truck which caught fire under a span of the I-580 connector to the Bay Bridge. The span collapsed, but Caltrans was able to repair and reopen it to traffic in 25 days. The story is at this link: https://www.aisc.org/globalassets/modern-steel/archives/2007/12/2007v12_quick_response.pdf
Posted by: William Verick | Oct 9 2022 18:38 utc | 104
OK, the last piece of evidence I promise…
The road bridge is continuous, it was fabricated on land and pushed out over its piers. There are two decks, one for each carriageway. Each deck has two longitudinal steel beams.
Each span is welded to the one before it in a bay on the land then it is pushed out, span by span.
You can see the nose span complete with its red support which keeps the nose up as it slides out.
https://youtu.be/znLSgunKGig?list=PLMTAUcHYogKl3QX-QWlzTKRHr2K7xG7Sh
Posted by: Lapin | Oct 9 2022 18:46 utc | 105
🇺🇦🇧🇾❗️Ukrainians blew up almost all the bridges bordering with Belarus, placed mines in three rows on the roads, said Anatoly Lappo, chairman of the State Border Committee of Belarus.
He added that from the Ukrainian side “it is not the border guards who go to the border – the territorial defense.” “We are under pressure, they are aiming at our border guards, sometimes they shoot in the air, there is constant aerial reconnaissance,” Lappo said.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 18:47 utc | 106
The utterly vile UK Daily Mail has reported approvingly in its headlines of “Russian collaborators” being “hunted down and shot like pigs” in areas near Kharkov reoccupied recently by the Kiev Nazis.
The Kiev Nazis have been producing footage of civilians with their hands tied dumped into mass graves. Many of them apparently young women.
Putin will probably win this war – but he doesn’t deserve to.
Posted by: Paul | Oct 9 2022 18:47 utc | 107
William Verick @ 104
The Maze is in itself not the most structurally sound or safest causeway. I remember that accident and when parts came down in the Loma Prieta quake as well. If I remember correctly the truck blew burnt and the portion above it fell. The portion the truck was on did not collapse.
We still have a bunch of structures not earthquake proof. There are some parking garages I will not enter around here.
I have worked with guys that do nothing but drill holes and place bolts in the many bridge structures around here for earthquake proofing. That job is not my cup of tea.
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 9 2022 18:50 utc | 108
@ circumspect, #103
Thanks for the link about the different HIMARS warhead. Doesn’t the RF have a similar “steel rain” warhead for some of their rocket/missile systems? So, if the “Ukies” start using such warheads, won’t the Russians retaliate in kind…?
Given that there have been only 20 such HIMARS delivered to the AFU, how much area can they really cover over the 1,000 km long front?
Posted by: DakotaRog | Oct 9 2022 18:54 utc | 109
I want to go to Gambia
“Sona Jobarteh – GAMBIA (Official Video)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtmmlOQnTXM
Enjoy
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 9 2022 18:56 utc | 110
DakotaRog @ 109
To answer most of your questions, I do not know. The system is used to punch holes in enemy lines. It does not need to cover the whole front. One would know where the attack was coming from if they knew where these systems are deployed.
Sort of like in WWII Normandy. The US had to weld wedges on the front of their tanks to blow through the hedgerows. When the Germany saw the tanks with wedges, they knew where the assault was going to happen.
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 9 2022 19:01 utc | 111
The attack on the Crimean bridge was directed against Russia’s critical civilian infrastructure. This was announced on Sunday, October 9, by Russian President Vladimir Putin during a working meeting with the head of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin.
The head of state stressed that the terrorist attack was organized by the special services of Ukraine. “Authors, performers, customers are the special services of Ukraine,” the president said.
iz.ru
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 19:05 utc | 112
Tactical Transformations That Could Improve the Situation on the Fronts: Why Are Things Developing In The Manner That They Are?
Because the AFU has a number of advantages.
▪️The “Nettle” situational awareness system (combining a squad leader’s tablet and large touchscreens in the AFU field headquarters), which enables online situational awareness data in a single network (with different levels of access).
▪️ Communication. The enemy has modern, long-range communication, Starlink stations are used, they have no problems with handling of the troops, while we do.
▪️The level of decision-making. With the enemy, junior commanders have the power to make decisions to hit targets and manoeuvre. In the Russian Armed Forces, the application of firepower and request for support still goes through headquarters, which slows down the strikes.
▪️Satellite intelligence. The AFU receives a fresh breakdown of the entire front on a daily basis. Right down to artillery positions. And they know when our satellites are flying.
▪️Personnel. The process of mobilisation and training has been underway in the AFU since February. With us, it has just begun. The AFU is being trained abroad, every 4 months up to 10 thousand people will come to the front only from overseas courses.
▪️Weapons and technology. The enemy’s artillery, supplied by NATO countries, hits farther and more accurately. A large percentage of high-precision ammunition.
▪️Outfitting and equipment. From berets to first-aid kits. Everything in the AFU is foreign and of high quality. That’s important when you’re out in the field for many months.
▪️Information component. Influences the moral and psychological state of fighters. The enemy creates images of heroes, while the DIMC of the Ministry of Defense of Russia and the command of individual formations coordinate the visits of accredited war correspondents to the front lines. And no one has properly explained to our guys why they gave Tayra, Kalyna and Volyn [in the Azov combatant prisoner exchange.] Medvedchuk, again.
▪️The Ukrainian Armed Forces’ ability to report problems, which leads to new deliveries of weapons and equipment to fix them. We, on the other hand, still have “all is well, beautiful marquise”.
But we are learning, slowly and inexorably. But this learning comes at a great cost, as the leading minds do not want to change anything until the thunder has struck.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13045
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 19:08 utc | 113
Shameful and sorrowful are the plethora of crimes being committed on a daily basis against humanity, and that we, the helpless and downtrodden, must witness and endure from our psychopathic Governments and unelected (grey area) representatives here in the West.
If this evil cannot be reined in, or destroyed, soon, then the West will sink into an orgy of violence that it may never recover from.
I feel sick to my stomach and carry a heavy heart, that we allowed our so-called leaders to go full spectrum crazy.
Posted by: WTFUD | Oct 9 2022 19:13 utc | 114
Even, if this truck explosion is not a terrorist act, this situation is very convenient for Russia.
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 19:21 utc | 115
The tungsten balls I remember reading that they were already used in Donbass weeks ago. It is from the forbidden list. But who cares about that, Macaron sent banned mines many months ago. Petal mines are banned too and it’s still raining with them
Posted by: rk | Oct 9 2022 19:30 utc | 116
@gimmeabreak | Oct 9 2022 16:21 utc | 51
What do you mean with “destroy steel”? Fire can for sure HEAT steel, causing BENDING and SOFTENING. In case of the WTC, the bending was the primary cause of the collapse. How? -> Read this post on MoA Jul 28 2022 19:14 utc | 242 here.
P.S. 1. typo: It’s “joist”; 2. “Fool” is a label with potential to backfire.
Posted by: OttoE | Oct 9 2022 19:35 utc | 117
As a result, the fighters of the 4th Brigade of LNR troops @Z4LPR and the special unit Akhmat managed to occupy part of the kilometer-long stronghold. Most importantly, they cut into the enemy defenses and cut the road by which Kiev was pulling in troops for an offensive on Lysychansk.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13046
The video is not graphic but it does show how close the two sides get when they fight each other. Literally within several metres.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 19:37 utc | 118
@DakotaRog #109, “Steel rain” originally referred to the M30 warhead with submunitions (cluster bomb). M30A1 replaced that with inert projectiles because the submunitions frequently failed to detonate, leading to danger for civilians / bad optics. Russia has various cluster bomb warheads for missiles and rockets but to my knowledge no inert area-effect variants. The closest in their arsenal might be flechette-filled artillery shells.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 9 2022 19:37 utc | 119
We have been to Egypt Sharm el Sheikh..We were told not to go bombs going off, you won’t be safe…We were told the same thing about going to India at Christmas time…Do not go to India bombs going off
So my wife and I ignore all these bomb threats, she gets the best deals, sometimes last minute
We go
We have never had any problem anywhere in the world any where in the world where bombs off.
Often we took our kids, unless they had a better offer, travelling with their friends on a school trip to tracking through the jungle in Ecuador, or sking down the mountains in France, Germany and Austria
Our world is there to Explore
Almost everyone is very nice, providing you observe and respect local customs, and have a friendly face, and have a nice wife, who also has a sense of humour.
At the moment, my wife and I should be in Cyprus at Cyprus Rocks 2022
Hopefully Cyprus Rocks 2023
and meet some Russians, English, Greek, Turkish, German, French and Americans as normal.
https://www.cyprusrocks.co.uk/
Tony
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 9 2022 19:44 utc | 120
Ukrainian channel TG Legitimтн writes:
Elon Musk is warming up the dossier to “save the world” from nuclear war. The warming is about international agreements on compromise terms and Ukraine’s possible loss of Crimea and other regions, including Donbass.
This is a negative for the President’s office, as support for the war will fade to the last in Western countries due to the risks of the outbreak of World War III.
Zelensky made a mistake when he said that a preemptive nuclear strike should be launched – it was a monstrous mistake that caused strong rejection in the West. Zelensky even had to justify himself.
If we are to believe some of the actions of the Ukrainian leadership, this can be interpreted as desperation. Although the victories on the field (offensives) may seem somewhat “fantastic”. It is likely that many people “at the top” finally understand that Ukraine has been assigned the role of a bargaining chip. The entire Ukrainian political elite is afraid of this, because then they will turn out to be “useless”.
Musk’s game fully confirms that in the West, support for the actions of the Office of the President and Zelensky will gradually cool.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13056
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 19:44 utc | 121
@ Chaka Khagan, #116
I find that sort of ironic that tungsten can be considered a carcinogenic metal given that the U.S. government allows it to be used in waterfowl hunting here. Back before the early 1980s, almost all shotgun shells for bird hunting in the U.S. had lead shot. There was research that ingestion of spent lead shot from their environment was causing various birds lead poisoning. The U.S. government then banned lead shot for waterfowling or on public land and the wide spread use of steel shotgun shot occurred. But hunters complained that the lighter steel pellets didn’t make as many clean kills on game birds compared to lead so some ammo companies came out with “heavier” “non-toxic” shot with the use of both bismuth and tungsten. I’ve never used the shit because it was always considerably more expensive and a person can overcome the “lightness’ of steel shot hitting power by using larger shot, such as # 4 steel vs # 6 lead. Not really an issue anymore but tungsten and bismuth enhanced shotgun shells are still sold here.
Posted by: DakotaRog | Oct 9 2022 19:47 utc | 122
𝗔𝗹𝗲𝘅𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗸𝗼𝘁𝘀 @sashakots 𝗪𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗲𝘀 :
⚡️According to my information, two heavy vehicles were involved in the terrorist operation on the Crimean bridge. The delivery scheme was as follows.
The cargo – 22 pallets of film, 9 rolls each (one pallet weighs about a ton) – arrived by sea in the Georgian port of Poti from Bulgaria. The customer was a citizen of Ukraine.
Then it was loaded onto a truck with foreign numbers (pictured), the driver communicated with the customer via WhatsApp.
From Poti, the truck went to Armenia, where the cargo was cleared according to the rules of the Customs Union -it is said that this is a typical, unsuspicious route for those traveling to Russia, I hope the truckers will explain.
Then the car again drove into Georgia, and from it – to the territory of the Russian Federation through the Upper Lars checkpoint,the one through which some Russians flee to Georgia from mobilization. The end point was the city of Armavir, where the pallets were reloaded onto another truck, which went towards the Crimea.
Apparently, the explosives were somehow planted in rolls of film. Moreover, it was not visible on the X-ray.
And it (𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘤𝘬𝘢𝘨𝘦) was made in Bulgaria. This means that in addition to Ukraine, foreign special services could also participate in the organization of this terrorist attack.
The driver of the first truck is already testifying. Most likely, like the driver of the second truck, he was used blindly and did not know that he was lucky.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/13058
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 19:47 utc | 123
A bit more on the bridge. Thanks, Lapin, for the construction videos.
The train pretty clearly appears to be stationary at the time of the explosion – target of opportunity? Although the trestle is about 10m higher than the roadway there. Wind blowing very strongly from the Azov Sea. ( wind field ) Perhaps this is the prevailing direction, but without it the blast debris would not likely have reached the train. You can see luminous chunks raining down onto the train trestle and adjacent roadway following the initial blast. Some of these appear to stick to the tank cars and burn holes in them. The roadway, however, merely appears scorched. Guard rails blown off adjacent roadway by force of blast. Point of blast is between piers about 0.8km from the arch and just past the circular pier with the ?guardhouse? on it. There are two of these, each about 1km from the arch on the Azov/roadway side. The pictures of the underside of the road deck do not show the area of the blast which occurred on the far side of the far pier in the photo I believe.
So, what was the target? Was it random? If a truck bomb, then did the driver know the train would be stopped there? The Russian side checkpoint is about 13km from the point of the explosion and the train would not have been visible to the driver when he cleared it. Why not blow yourself up on the arch? Perhaps it was determined that that area could not be damaged with the available means. Could the perpetrators have known that the sections of road deck would bounce up off of their pier and into the sea? The force of the initial explosion seems to be out and to the right, into the wind, the same direction that the roadway is displaced off the pier instead of the opposite. Why at 6am instead of during the day when there is more traffic? Sleepy checkpoint guards? Was the guard tower a target? Or was this some kind of cobbled together, low tech stunt pulled off without much planning other than how to get some explosives onto the bridge without getting busted and generate some PR for UA?
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 9 2022 19:49 utc | 124
@Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2022 23:45 utc | 117
The big German [OSHA type] database GESTIS does not support your claims about carcinogenic tungsten. On the contrary, it describes it as benign. Edited machine translated excerpt:
Acute toxicity: The toxicological database for W. is extremely small.
500 mg dust only caused slight irritation (probably mechanically caused) to the eyes and skin of rabbits…
Resorptive effects after skin contact are not to be expected, although no tests are available on this…
Acute oral animal experiments are not available.
…LD50 [lethal dosis 50% mortality] value for rats of 5 g/kg body weight was given. Deaths occurred within 24 hours of injection. [**]
Chronic Toxicity: The consequences of occupational exposure to W. were not reported.
It is unclear whether and, if so, what role the metal plays here…
Reproductive toxicity: Insufficient information is available.
Mutagenicity: Substance-specific information is not available.
Carcinogenicity: No information is available.
** For comparison: LD50 of table salt NaCl is 3.5 g per kg body mass
Posted by: OttoE | Oct 9 2022 19:58 utc | 125
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2022 23:45 utc | 124
“Tungsten is a transition metal in the same block as many of the carcinogenic metals on the periodic table and holds potential to induce cancer-associated effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_tungsten“
Why are you referencing an article on the isotopes of tungsten? It does not support your point. One of the isotopes has a half-life of 10^18 years, the others are stable. To put 10^18 years in perspective that is about 70 million times the age of the universe. This implies that naturally occurring tungsten is stable for all practical purposes.
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 20:03 utc | 126
RTX, according to et in theyfly.com, the Universe in this Great Time of 311.04Trillion years is approx 70T years old. There are 7 Great Times, with the equivalent rests in between, then a rest of 7 Great Times. The cycle then restarts. How/when did it start they were asked. Dunno they said.
Posted by: Thomas Turk | Oct 9 2022 20:11 utc | 127
the pessimist | Oct 9 2022 19:49 utc | 123
As you can see from the stamps already printed and released only a few hours later, they were preparing for it. not some quick idea
Posted by: rk | Oct 9 2022 20:13 utc | 128
the explosives were somehow planted in rolls of film.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 19:47 utc | 122
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Celluloid. Historically made from gun-cotton.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2022 20:15 utc | 129
It is losing.
It will be defeated.
It is happening.
After this storm our relationship with God shall become renewed.
Posted by: Robert Michael Hope | Oct 9 2022 20:15 utc | 130
The new ammunition variant for the long-range rocket system, supplied by the US, is designed to blast almost 200,000 tungsten ball bearings across a large area, causing damage to troops and soft skinned vehicles.
Ukraine’s newest weapon: special Himars rockets that can devastate huge areas in one blast
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 9 2022 18:36 utc | 103
is there any defense against this kind of Himars ?
Posted by: marko | Oct 9 2022 20:18 utc | 131
Apparently, next week will be a very interesting one, and very dangerous one for Ukraine and its buddies.
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 20:25 utc | 132
reply to 113
There are a large number of assumptions and claims about the AFU here. Chasing them all down would be onerous.
I read Rybar and Ria Fan daily. I see reports of RF forces destroying ‘one tank’, ‘three tanks’, two tanks’, or pickup trucks. This doesn’t sound top level as to Ukr. being well equipped. I also read that Germany might have two days worth of ammo left, A Defense Dept, official supposedly said that they can’t sustain arms deliveries into winter. Is the cupboard bare?
Even if Ukr, has 20K, 40k troops here or there makes little difference. It appears that they have no power to punch thru and exploit a meaningful offensive. They seem to be stuck spreading thin as Russia had to do.
Another thing? I would like to know if Ukr. troops being trained in Europe are escaping and running away. This became a problem with training Afghan helicopter pilots and I wonder if anyone had heard.
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2022 20:27 utc | 133
“How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Joe Biden:
Step 1. Blow them up.
“How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Vladimir Putin:
Step 1. Don’t blow them up.
Posted by: Not confusing to 85% | Oct 9 2022 20:28 utc | 134
circumspect @103
“The new ammunition variant for the long-range rocket system, supplied by the US, is designed to blast almost 200,000 tungsten ball bearings across a large area, causing damage to troops and soft skinned vehicles.
Ukraine’s newest weapon: special Himars rockets that can devastate huge areas in one blast.”
No red line more flame-colored than this foul weapon. Paybacks are hell.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 9 2022 20:29 utc | 135
Ukraine has blown up almost all the bridges on the border with Belarus, as the militants are focused on building up cover for the state border. This was announced on Sunday, October 9, by the chairman of the State Border Committee (SBC) of Belarus Anatoly Lappo.
“To date, almost all border bridges have been blown up, road and rail border roads have been completely mined,” Lappo said.
According to him, the Ukrainians “place anti-tank mines in three rows on the roads.” He added that “not border guards, but territorial defense” are coming to the border from the Ukrainian side.
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 20:37 utc | 136
where the big bridge spans are…they are a lot further apart ….surely to reach synchronistically across from far right highway side to a fuel train on the other span….four or five times the amount of explosive would be needed if not more??????
Posted by: Jo | Oct 9 2022 20:37 utc | 137
I don’t think Bulgaria would have participated in preparing the rolls of film without approval/assistance from UK and/or US.
Posted by: Lysias | Oct 9 2022 20:37 utc | 138
DakotaRog&circumspect:
Maybe the Russians should respond with thermobarics.
You turn our men into Swiss cheese, we’ll turn yours into chicharrones(in case I misspelled, aka fried pork rinds.)
Posted by: morongobill | Oct 9 2022 20:40 utc | 139
“…Putin will probably win this war – but he doesn’t deserve to.” Paul@107
Well, Paul, if ‘he’ doesn’t win you can expect much more of the vile stuff that the Mail glories in:
more “…”Russian collaborators” being “hunted down and shot like pigs” in areas near Kharkov reoccupied recently by the Kiev Nazis.”
And more “…footage of civilians with their hands tied dumped into mass graves. Many of them apparently young women.”
Posted by: bevin | Oct 9 2022 20:46 utc | 140
I see a lost of people posting that the ”Azov-type” Ukr-Nazis are killing ”pro-Russian civilians” ignoring the fact that these guys are a bunch glue-sniffing droogs.
The non-pychos will kill loyal Ukraineians ”on suspicion” because they’re fucking creatins AT BEST. The psychos in their ranks will kill, rape & steal from the local population because that’s what they enjoy doing.
Its depressingly simple. The SBU has also corrupted CHEKA/Gestapo-style instrument, so I doubt their ”investigations” are on the level either.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 9 2022 20:52 utc | 141
@ morongobill, #138
I suspect almost any kind of nasty weapon is going to be used in this war, if they haven’t been used already. Unless its NBC, the mass public doesn’t really know enough about specific effects of weapons systems and/or doesn’t care…
@ circumspect, #109
Good point! Given that there so few HIMARS in the conflict, I wonder why the RF hasn’t spent more time chasing them down to whack ’em? Perhaps the Ukies have gobs of anti aircraft systems deployed around the HIMARS? If we all survive to hear real stories of the veterans of this war, perhaps the hunt for HIMARS will be fairly riveting
Posted by: DakotaRog | Oct 9 2022 20:55 utc | 142
@48. Don’t argue with this Zanon creature. He tried to read Bernays but got lost on the second alinea. Then his handler told him to use Wikipedia and he is still trying to work out the first page of the entry on (his) mental illness. These trolls are simply too dumb to waste our time on. Far, far more interesting will be the next official declaration from Russia, maybe tomorrow. Indeed, nobody is waiting for the next inanities from Biden or Blinken, while everyone (with a brain larger than that of a mollusc) sits on the edge of their chairs waiting for the next speech of President Putin…I can’t remember another conflict in history where so much stupidity on one side fought with so much itellectual sophistication on the other – and that is why the West is doomed. The WOII Nazi’s were pure evil, but not stupid. The NATO Nazi’s are as evil, but far more idiotic, as witnessed by their trolls…
Posted by: Anthony | Oct 9 2022 21:03 utc | 143
Kerch Bridge? Tis But A Scratch!
https://tinyurl.com/2f62v9he
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 21:07 utc | 144
Your fixation and glorification of Putin is just perverse. Seek help. Please do not engage with me anymore thanks!
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:45 utc | 62
But clearly you want it from Zelensky. Do you want him to wear his corset and stiletto shoes?
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 21:12 utc | 145
It’s his business not mine. He is probably being screwed by the energy fees, but my lad, has come up with some good ideas, and the most beautiful tiny daughter – baby girl.
“You can trust us to keep your business online, we’ve been doing this since 2002!”
I am a Grand dad again, and she is so beautiful
His ISP ain’t gone offline yet.
He doesn’t advertise.
Gets all his business by personal recommendation from his customers, who may have to pay a little bit more, so he can pay his massively increased energy fees.
So far as I am aware none of us are Jewish, Catholic or believe in any of this Religious nonsense written over 2000 years ago, whilst some of it seems to be true, when you meet this innocent angel from heaven, and you pluck up courage and ask her for a date.
She said OK
Good Girl
Tony
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 9 2022 21:14 utc | 146
So here are images of the stamps: 1 2 3 so you can see what they were hoping for – a missile attack destroying the arch. Not at all what happened.
So, as for the place of detonation – seems random except that it happened to be near a stationary fuel train. Why didn’t the truck travel a few 10s of meters farther to a point where the roadway and trestle are nearly level? The blast does seem to be centered on the position of the fuel tankers but given the explosion they still would have been better off a little further on if the train was the target. Was there a trigger person in another vehicle?
aerial view of damage from everyone’s favorite source MAXAR. and another view
Firefighting helicopters 1 and 2
Yesterday someone brought up “Why not a tunnel instead of a bridge?” Aside from the considerable symbolic value the bridge controls the nature of traffic on the sea lane from the Black Sea to the Azov limiting the size and type of vessels that can transit. Not so with a tunnel.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 9 2022 21:16 utc | 147
Your fixation and glorification of Putin is just perverse. Seek help. Please do not engage with me anymore thanks!
Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:45 utc | 62
Must be new here. I was too, a couple of weeks ago. Most of the posters here seem to be propagandized Russians and/or Russophiles. They apparently love mass murder and anal sex. They don’t seem to understand the concept of MAD. The cognitive dissonance is pathological. I come here to marvel at the stupidity and backwardness, its entertaining.
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 21:21 utc | 148
Good to see General Surovikin is now in command. Does anyone know what his pronouns are?
Posted by: Chas | Oct 9 2022 21:23 utc | 149
Posted by: Anthony | Oct 9 2022 21:03 utc | 142
“I can’t remember another conflict in history where so much stupidity on one side fought with so much itellectual sophistication on the other – and that is why the West is doomed.”
If this is the case, I wonder why.
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 21:23 utc | 150
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 21:21 utc | 147
“They apparently love mass murder and anal sex. They don’t seem to understand the concept of MAD.”
What are you talking about?
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 21:26 utc | 151
No film was ignited in the explosion as the truck was offloaded in Krasnodar before being driven back by the second driver, who died in the explosion. The FSB is interrogating the original driver..
Posted by: Lozion | Oct 9 2022 21:29 utc | 152
What are you talking about?
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 21:26 utc | 150
But clearly you want it from Zelensky. Do you want him to wear his corset and stiletto shoes?
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 21:12 utc | 144
I could go on.
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 21:30 utc | 153
@150: watch it, as soon as they are starting to use that kind of obscene vocabulary, you know that they are trying to drag the level of conversation down to earthworm level. Don’t respond or you will find yourself in a Southfront discussion. These kind of trolls are the lowest dregs of the low. It’s not my blog but I would advocate to ban anyone using pornographic language.
Posted by: anthony | Oct 9 2022 21:35 utc | 154
Them Rooskies are not smart enough to stop providing the rope the Rooskies will be hung with.
Western Europe does NOT have enough energy to both feed themselves and support the Polish Lithuania Commonwealth war on historic Russia. But Rooskies will provide the extra amount of energy so Western Europe can still have some energy to murder Rooskies.
Posted by: Carl | Oct 9 2022 21:45 utc | 155
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 21:30 utc | 152
“But clearly you want it from Zelensky. Do you want him to wear his corset and stiletto shoes?
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 21:12 utc | 144
I could go on.”
Ok, thank you, I see what you’re saying. I would have guessed though that that remark is in reference to Zelensky’s former “profession”. I had never heard of him until recently but my understanding is he was some sort of lowbrow comedian.
More importantly, do you really think the pro-Russian side speaks more glibly about nuclear war than the pro-Ukrainian? I assume this is what you mean by “They don’t seem to understand the concept of MAD.”
Admittedly, I’ve seen some silly remarks on this blog concerning this kind of thing, but there are emotional and unintelligent people everywhere. FWIW, my impression is that commentators in the West (and not just anonymous individuals on a blog) are even worse. They make my blood run cold.
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 21:47 utc | 156
Even, if this truck explosion is not a terrorist act, this situation is very convenient for Russia.
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 19:21 utc | 114
Well Paul, if not a terrorist act, then what for Christ sakes? Is this like the USA did not destroy the Nord Streams, but it is a great opportunity?
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 21:50 utc | 157
Russian Telegram channel Baza reports more details about the truck driver and the cargo.
One:
On the day of the explosion, Makhir Yusubov was hauling plastic film from Armavir to Simferopol by order of TEK-34 company. He could have been on the Crimean Bridge on October 7, but he stopped to sleep a few kilometers away.
The driver found the order through an exchange where customers are looking for haulage contractors. The documents for the cargo indicated plastic film weighing 21 tons, stacked on pallets. Yusubov was to be paid 48,000 rubles for the haulage.
The driver has never worked with TEK-34 before, it was his first job for the company. He accepted the order on October 6, and on the next day he loaded the cargo in Armavir. It is interesting that Yusubov could get to Simferopol in one day—and then he would have crossed the bridge on October 7. But a few kilometers away from the bridge checkpoint Yusubov stopped to sleep. He told his family about this, then turned off his phone.
The truck that allegedly exploded on the Crimean Bridge was registered in the name of Yusubov’s nephew. The man changed the registration of the truck because of an accident he got in with a fuel truck near Kazan. After the accident, he owed money, and so he registered the truck in the name of his nephew so that it would not be arrested and he could continue to work on it as before.
Two:
The cargo which could have been used to blow up the Crimean Bridge arrived in Russia from Georgia on October 4.
According to our data, the cargo that was in the truck of 51-year-old Makhir Yusubov passed through the Russian border at about 6 AM. Neither the customs officers nor other services that were checking the truck found anything suspicious. After that, it was redirected to Armavir and on October 7, Yusubov drove the cargo towards Simferopol.
Yesterday, after the explosion, FSB officers visited the border officers. They questioned employees, not only those who let the truck through, but also employees from other shifts. Now the special services are investigating why the services did not see the explosives and whether that happened because of corruption.
To kill an innocent working man simply to score some cheap PR points by “ruining Putin’s pet project on his milestone birthday” is disgusting and is exactly what the stupid, vane, vindictive, hateful, narcissist, sociopathic Ukrainian Nazis would do.
Posted by: S | Oct 9 2022 21:52 utc | 158
https://t.me/NewResistance/13094
Could not make this up. Lead investigator for Nordstream bombing dies of a bee sting and is cremated within hours.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 9 2022 21:54 utc | 159
@Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2022 23:45 utc | 158
Stop polluting the thread with your reposting of the same stuff.
Oh well, if the Daily Mail is accusing the Ukranian DAESH Woden-worshippers of burying young women in mass graves, it looks like Kyiv will be another Mosul. Suddenly, Biden will discover that Nazism is evil and needs to be destroyed.
We never knew Zelensky was a terrorist. We will buy up Ukranian land to help Ukraine pay its debts.
I really don’t know which is more criminal, the inventors of US criminal narratives, or the suckers who believe them.
How is it possible to be 8 months into a Hollywood narrative of championing Nazism without any single MSM journalist or politician being uncompromised enough to speak against the herd?
We really do deserve our leaders if we are as a civilisation so powerless to speak truth to.power.
There is no politician who does not create problems that did not previously exist so that they can take credit for solving them.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 9 2022 22:04 utc | 161
oldhippie @ 157
Lead investigator for Nordstream bombing dies of a bee sting and is cremated within hours.
Are bees still flying around in mid Oct in N.EU?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 9 2022 22:11 utc | 162
Yesterday someone brought up “Why not a tunnel instead of a bridge?” Aside from the considerable symbolic value the bridge controls the nature of traffic on the sea lane from the Black Sea to the Azov limiting the size and type of vessels that can transit. Not so with a tunnel.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 9 2022 21:16 utc | 146
Also, pretty sure tunnels aren’t magically immune from terrorism or war.
Posted by: ZX | Oct 9 2022 22:14 utc | 163
Sorry all. Possible glitch. Let’s see if I post something else might make it quit.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2022 22:19 utc | 164
LightYears @ 159
It was obviously a weaponized Russian bee.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 9 2022 22:19 utc | 165
Ok, thank you, I see what you’re saying. I would have guessed though that that remark is in reference to Zelensky’s former “profession”. I had never heard of him until recently, but my understanding is he was some sort of lowbrow comedian.
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 21:47 utc | 155 ,Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 21:30 utc | 152
Really RTX, you never heard of Zelensky? So why are you addressing this site when you don’t even know who the US imposed president of Ukraine is? Do you know anything about Ukraine and Russia, their history, and why there is a conflict in the first place? Do you know that Biden started this conflict? Do you know why and how? I would love to talk about these kinds of things, but NATO / US, and Uki trolls don’t seem to want to discuss such mundane things. Apparently, such things are not on the trolls’ cheat sheets.
Besides, what kind of moniker is; Mu tha ucker?
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 22:28 utc | 166
@157 oldhippie
No joke, bee stings are serious.
I was stung by a honey bee near my lavender in the ankle and that sob was swollen for weeks.
I have been bit 10s of times by yellow jackets, but bees pack a wallop.
That said, I was debating cremation for myself as I was laid up from my ankle swelling. Glad my wife talked me out of it.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 9 2022 22:33 utc | 167
William Gruff | Oct 9 2022 17:08 utc | 70
“………Damn, some of you even live under bridges …………
(and you never bothered to look up at how the damn thing was put together?)
Thanks for that. I do value a chortle with morning coffee…
DoesItReallyMatter | Oct 9 2022 18:18 utc | 98
……“There are clearly a number of posters who have zero words of substance to add to the content presented by the Bar host. If regular sincere posters would refrain from responding to them, the meaningful throughput here might just improve dramatically.
Yep.
rk | Oct 9 2022 20:13 utc | 127
Postage stamps ready…. Yes it was a birthday gift for Putin.
Some of the first _ almost immediate _ tweets from Ukraine officials made this clear.
Eighthman | Oct 9 2022 20:27 utc | 132
Ukraine troops trained in the west….”defecting”. Some, I guess.
But mostly these are highly motivated. From the Ukrainian perspective….someone invaded their country….. kinda kindles patriotism ….
Lysias | Oct 9 2022 20:37 utc | 137
The entire enterprise is CIA….
Chas | Oct 9 2022 21:23 utc | 148
Thanks. That’s chortle No2. This pic of the dude…..I think he’s pronoun is something in Russian like FU. https://t.me/azmilitary11/23946
RTX | Oct 9 2022 21:26 utc | 150
Pls refer to @98.
oldhippie | Oct 9 2022 21:54 utc | 157
WTAF? “Bee sting”. … is new. Supply of novachok, exhausted?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 9 2022 22:35 utc | 168
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 9 2022 21:16 utc | 146
Also, pretty sure tunnels aren’t magically immune from terrorism or war.
Posted by: ZX | Oct 9 2022 22:14 utc | 160
Exactly. It seems to me that an inspection of all non-military vehicles and trains will be required at both ends of the bridge, at least until the end of hostilities. This will slow down traffic, but we westerns have become used to it at airports since 9/11/2001.
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 22:36 utc | 169
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 22:28 utc | 163
“Really RTX, you never heard of Zelensky? So why are you addressing this site when you don’t even know who the US imposed president of Ukraine is?”
Well, I know who he is now of course. I was trying to interpret your remark to the other poster.
“Do you know anything about Ukraine and Russia, their history, and why there is a conflict in the first place? Do you know that Biden started this conflict? Do you know why and how?”
Not really. That’s why I’m here.
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 22:37 utc | 170
Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2022 22:19 utc | 161
It’s a software glitch.
b posted about it a few days/threads back.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 9 2022 22:37 utc | 171
@148 pronouns unknown but his nickname is: “General Armageddon”..
Posted by: Lozion | Oct 9 2022 22:38 utc | 172
RTX | Oct 9 2022 22:37 utc | 167
Ok. Pull up a barstool. Shut the fuck up. Lurk and learn.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 9 2022 22:40 utc | 173
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 9 2022 22:33 utc | 164
“That said, I was debating cremation for myself as I was laid up from my ankle swelling. Glad my wife talked me out of it.”
This is also why I’m here. For this kind of remark. 🙂
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 22:44 utc | 174
A photo of Valeriy Zaluzhnyy, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine, has been posted to his official Twitter account: a screenshot of the tweet with the photo. There’s just one little problem: same photo zoomed in to show a bracelet on his hand.
Hmmmmm… I’m sure it’s a Buddhist symbol!
Posted by: S | Oct 9 2022 22:47 utc | 175
More importantly, do you really think the pro-Russian side speaks more glibly about nuclear war than the pro-Ukrainian? I assume this is what you mean by “They don’t seem to understand the concept of MAD.”
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 21:47 utc | 155
I don’t see a “pro-UK” side anywhere around here. I am certainly not Pro-UK, I am anti-dictator however and I see dictators on both sides. So if there is a way for Russia and Ukraine to stop killing each other and end this madness, I am all for it.
Stick around, you will see posters here talk about nuking the US without any self-awareness that Russia will cease to exist also. True insanity. And woe to anyone who tries to inject a little reality into the discussion, you are a troll and must be censored. A truly Soviet mindset, but what do you expect from people who have only known tyranny?
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 22:59 utc | 176
Besides, what kind of moniker is; Mu tha ucker?
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 9 2022 22:28 utc | 163
It’s a joke. Something you are apparently unfamiliar with. Check it out, laugh.
https://tinyurl.com/mryhb92b
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 23:10 utc | 177
To @99, re: Bolton. Without an endless stream of “enemies,” US parasites lack an excuse to bleed US taxpayers to death, treat us like garbage, and silence us about the fact that US is no longer a country, is an open borders hell hole, and thus is the enemy and threat to all Americans. 8 yrs. of massive antiwar protests that continued during Bush #2 miraculously died in Nov. 4, 2008, the day Obama was elected. He made the Democrat Party the new home of the MIC–with unlimited “classified” access to US tax dollars. We were never allowed to vote on being permanent slaves of the US genocide industry. The one time we came close to doing so in 2016 resulted in both House and Senate in Aug. 2017 removing all Russia matters from the president and transferring them to the Senate. US won’t stop w. Russia. They’re now loading tanks into the Golan Heights Trump annexed in 2019 (in addition to one third of Syria US already annexed and occupies) to finish US genocide of Syria.
Posted by: susan mullen | Oct 9 2022 23:10 utc | 178
Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 9 2022 22:59 utc | 173
“I don’t see a “pro-UK” side anywhere around here. I am certainly not Pro-UK, I am anti-dictator however and I see dictators on both sides.”
Thanks again. I was thrown a little by your “Pro-UK” but I understand now (means United Kingdom to me).
“So if there is a way for Russia and Ukraine to stop killing each other and end this madness, I am all for it.”
Agreed of course. To me it looks like a bunch of alpha men killing each other pointlessly, while the fertility rate of both countries is a disaster. Talk about rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic!
“Stick around, you will see posters here talk about nuking the US without any self-awareness that Russia will cease to exist also. True insanity. And woe to anyone who tries to inject a little reality into the discussion, you are a troll and must be censored. A truly Soviet mindset, but what do you expect from people who have only known tyranny?”
Yes and I acknowledged that earlier, but the more reasonable here seem to understand the concept of MAD well. And as I also remarked, what gets said on this little blog pales in comparison with the anti-Russian, “we can win a nuclear war” type remarks I’ve seen elsewhere.
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 23:23 utc | 179
I’m not surprised that current Ukrainian forces have better command and control than current “Russian” forces in the field. Because the “Russian” forces in the field aren’t even agglomerated under a single command and are mostly using old stock donated to militias and PMCs. That’s who’s doing the bulk of the fighting.
The question is what will actual Russian forces look and act like when they return to the battle en masse. Apparently Putin has addressed the unity of command issue. How much that will solve in the near term is hard to judge, but probably some. It’s also probably time to remove the Donbas militias from the front lines both because they’re militias and because many of them have been fighting without rotation for months (or less rotation than Russian doctrine describes). I expect we’ll see much more clarity sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Lex | Oct 9 2022 23:41 utc | 180
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 9 2022 21:54 utc | 157
Report seems dubious, conspiracy-site, itself forwarding dubious single-(dubious-)source claim, and two quick searches (DDG/Google) turned up no association between the name and Nordstream.
Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 9 2022 23:42 utc | 181
The USA can’t resist spreading poison around wherever it can.
Tungsten is a transition metal in the same block as many of the carcinogenic metals on the periodic table and holds potential to induce cancer-associated effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_tungsten
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2022 23:45 utc | 182
oldhippie | Oct 9 2022 21:54 utc | 157
It may be pure BS. Enough fertilizer to keep Europe happy for a year. There appears to be two investigations. One Swedish and one Danish or some type of joint investigation. The Russians are locked out. They have recovered items from the crime scene. They will never be seen again. Most likely, they do not have to kill to cover up. They have enough lap dogs to place in the ranks of the investigation.
Swedish prosecutor Mats Ljungqvist, who is in charge of the preliminary investigation, confirmed in a statement on Thursday that there were detonations at Nord Stream 1 and 2 in the Swedish economic zone which caused extensive damage to the gas pipelines.
Nord Stream gas ‘sabotage’: who’s being blamed and why?
The service didn’t give details about its investigation, but a separate statement from the Swedish prosecutor who led the preliminary investigation said “seizures have been made at the crime scene and these will now be investigated.”
Initial Probe Of Nord Stream Leaks Strengthens Sabotage Suspicions, Swedish Investigators Say
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 9 2022 23:55 utc | 183
So it was the truck. They could only come from the Russian side, since the Crimea side has a x-ray machine, and they would have picked up the explosives.
And once the cargo got dropped off, they had only one pass, since otherwise after drop off it’s contents would have become known and this mode of sabotage would have been prevented by FSB.
Their timing was obviously off, since they wanted to hit the fuel-wagons at the apex of the bridge, over the steel arch section, where it would have caused max damage and severed all links (rail, road, comms, gas, marine). So they probs realised this and took what they could get. With only half-assed results.
Why was it driving on the rightmost lane then? It could have been a gasoline explosion, especially considering the massive fireball and the lack of damage comparatively to the explosion, the guardrail in the middle just ONE lanes from the epicenter was slightly mangled. With a bunch of ICB totes full of gasoline all it takes is some good source of spark, via a relatively innocuous set of wires, which could be blocked from visual inspection by one row of ICBs that would hinder any kind of inspection short of a unloading with a forklift one tote at a time.
the driver, which was a radical person (probably a dissident with religious belief in self-immolation); 3) It can be seen how the driver was adiusting the speed (less than 50 Km/Hr), to match the position of the train at the EXACT HOUR (6 AM); 4) It was a terrorist act, which makes me fear of what could happen in the future,
Why was he in the lane farthest away from the train? In the video theres a SUV looking like ITE barely keeping up with the semi as its trying to overtake it. Considering that they couldn’t have timed the attack because of unpredictable traffic, and the inspection they went through, its just a coincide, the razor cuts to the simplest explanation. I also think he was more than likely persuaded by threats to his loved ones. A fertilizer/nitrate explosion doesn’t produce a fireball and it certainly will have a significant shockwave.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lSDwvXznOjA
Judging by the lack of a shockwave, lack of clearly visible damage following such a shockwave to the cars and the giant fireball, that damaged the tarmac on one side and barely mangled 20ft of guardrail, it’s probably the cheapest bang for their buck they could pull and why nothing was left of the semi, it instantly turned into aluminum and oak shrapnel, the fiery bits you see after the fireball shooting across the tarmac and falling down like embers. That explains why the semi was driving in the rightmost lane, they wanted to make sure it was gonna at least damage that lane whereas the left lane could have handled the explosion better, and why he blew it up before he was on the superstructure of the bridge.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 9 2022 13:29 utc | 7
I see a common theme. The IAEA wants to impose some kind of “safety or security” zone. A zone that Zelensky is just so happy to abide. I wonder, did Rafael Mariano Grossi pop up at the Kremlin to discuss the details with Putin? This is of course a set up to return the plant back to Ukraine. I guess Grossi didn’t get the message that the Zaporizhzhya region is now part of Russia.
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 10 2022 0:35 utc | 186
No film was ignited in the explosion as the truck was offloaded in Krasnodar before being driven back by the second driver, who died in the explosion. The FSB is interrogating the original driver..
Any source for any of this? I find it utterly ridiculous that they could have timed this so that they knew how long unloading would take and that they decided to be in the furthest away lane from their intended target, especially considering that explosives lose their force exponentially from the center, every inch would count. Then theres a video showing the alleged truck being inspected https://www.bitchute.com/video/IFLM8H95k0Hn/.
Well, the criminal gang in kiav FAILED to bring down the bridge. Two months of planning down the drain boys. Hard luck lol. It seems GOD is on the side of Moscow.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 10 2022 0:49 utc | 188
You have a lot of whys? But to be fair you also noted some answers as well, which you seem to disagree with. So here is my why. Why do you care? There is a war going on, and the Ukies have threatened publicly to destroy the bridge on several occasions. Not even Russian authorities know exactly what happened, but time will tell. You keep asking questions about why the driver of the truck wasn’t where he should be to cause maximum damage. But what if the driver had no knowledge of the bomb, after he wasn’t the driver who loaded the truck. The second person with the remote control (or whatever) had to explode regardless of where the driver was. Preferably I suspect anywhere under the fuel trains. Do I know this? No, of course not. Neither do you. But, just like the NS1 and 2, the preponderance of evidence suggest it was Ukraine, just like NS1 and 2 point to the US.
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 10 2022 0:59 utc | 189
Posted by: BahFucyou | Oct 10 2022 0:19 utc | 183
Sorry, my post above #187 was meant for # 183. I lost it some how.
Posted by: Ed Nelson | Oct 10 2022 1:03 utc | 190
@flaunting2 13
Anytime somebody tries to sell a war as “good vs evil”, rather than the necessary consequences of failed diplomacy, you know that they are retarded, lying, or both. And when they reference the garbled nonsensical scribblings of the Abrahamic religions, you can be certain of it beyond all reasonable doubt.
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 10 2022 1:11 utc | 191
Brian Berletic latest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTHESzml70
The New Atlas
– Crimean Bridge is back in operation – further repairs are required but road and rail traffic resumes;
– Western media notes the US is out of ammunition to send Ukraine and that US allies have even less;
– Nations like France have reached the limits of what they can send in terms of heavy weapons;
– Regional weather and subsequent mud is limiting the mobility of ground forces on both sides, giving the advantage to Russia which possess a larger air force, more drones, and long-range weapons indifferent to ground conditions;
– Ukrainian forces are losing ground in Bakhmut, indicating Ukrainian forces are already overextended – a situation that will only worsen in time;
– Russian forces are preserving their men and equipment and will soon be reinforced by an additional 300,000 troops;
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 1:11 utc | 192
Posted by: RTX | Oct 9 2022 23:23 utc | 176
Here is the third type of troll,for exhibition:
The “I don’t know shit, please teach me” type of troll.
Usually introduced, groomed and supported by the “foul mouthed low brow” type of troll represented by muthauker et all.
They’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 1:13 utc | 193
Ed Nelson | Oct 10 2022 0:35 utc | 184
Yep. There was “coordination”.
Grossi went really hard (on twitter😏) about a “renewed” threat to ZapNPP, right at the time Crimea Kerch Bridge had its “incident”.
Also. Grossi’s comments timed in with a change in IAEA flunkies stationed at the plant since their original media circus visit.
The EU charlatans pushing to cease Russian energy supply to Europe, always factored on having free/cheap access to ZapNPP electricity…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 1:19 utc | 194
The FAILURE of the crimea bridge attack, by the zelensky crooks in keiv. 2 months in the planning with UK intelligence and the operatives BOTCHED it. A car with two paasengers, overtaking the bomb truck at the time of the blast, forced the truck into the outside lane which depreciated the intended impact.
GOD works in mysterious ways.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 10 2022 1:29 utc | 195
Seems like NATO’s initial war plan for the was to allow the Russians to overrun the country while operating guerilla operations with massive stockpiles of anti tank weapons and mobile hidden anti aircraft units to bleed the Russians. Hence the Eastern front to sucker Russia into rolling in from the North.
Now that has changed, how will NATO respond to the Russians rolling in from the East?
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Oct 10 2022 1:55 utc | 196
Idea for comprehensive analysis:
Now would be an excellent time to compare in a systematic, structured way, the condition of the Russian and Ukrainian (+NATO) sides after 8 months of conflict.
A side by side comparison of the losses, gains and new conditions along the economic, military, diplomatic, political,technological, security and geopolitical dimensions of the results thus far would provide an assessment of the overall relative strength of both sides and therefore the potential for victory in the months to come.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2022 1:57 utc | 197
RT this evening: “German army has ammo for only two days of war.”
Should be the gold standard.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 10 2022 2:48 utc | 198
Johnycomelately | Oct 10 2022 1:55 utc | 194
“……how will NATO respond to the Russians rolling in from the East?”
Brzezinski adopted the “Grand *Chessboard* analogy because there’s pieces (assets) in play across numerous theatres,
The game in Ukraine not delivering the results anticipated on the timeline anticipated.
So “play” is extended to theatres like Iran, where the attempt at a color rev continues.
Iran has long been Israel’s obsession. That Russia and Iran are increasing non U$D trade (including purchase of demonstrably effective Iranian drones) that means any disruption of Iran has attained primacy beyond the Ukrainian imbroglio.
One tier down is the Armenia | Azerbaijan conflict – which of course impacts the Russia- Iran North South route via the Zangezur Corridor.
Next, add in the US arming Greece and establishing more bases….. this is pissing off Turkey.
Turkey. There never has been, and can never be, interaction between West and East without Turkey.
Turkey. Who loathes Albania and Greece equally. Shares a Kurdish problem with Syria, Iran and Iraq.
I’m not an eschatological guy. But Armageddon is a town in Occupied Palestine.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 2:53 utc | 199
In response to
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I’m not an eschatological guy. But Armageddon is a town in Occupied Palestine.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 10 2022 2:53 utc | 197
”
Thanks for that reminder. I am excited about being at this point of potential human evolution and watching the process, myth be dammed.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2022 3:06 utc | 200