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October 9, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-169
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/12880 Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 13:04 utc | 1 Just a thought about the methods used to attack the bridge… some have suggested placed charges based on the ‘clean cut’ sections of roadway.. a possibility… however, I would suggest that can be considered unlikely, as why would the saboteurs only target one directional span. If they could place charges successfully on one span, surely they could have placed charges on both spans, the rail spans or the pylons, and made sure of the objective (ie doing maximum damage and putting all crossings out of action)? Posted by: DDK | Oct 9 2022 13:11 utc | 2 The escalation continues. Meanwhile, Russia is building its troops. Whenever Russia mobilizes those troops, they will make quick gains. Most likely the main offensive will be in the Donetsk area. While Russia recently gave up territory in the Kherson and Kharkov areas, it made some gains in the Donetsk area. Gains in the Bahkmut area are of strategic importance. Posted by: young | Oct 9 2022 13:24 utc | 3 Apologies if this has already been posted, but this is an important read:
As I have noted repeatedly: Ukrainian “victories” which do not involve the capture or destruction of significant Russian military assets is Twitter war. Posted by: c1ue | Oct 9 2022 13:26 utc | 4 Heaven, is rhat real? Posted by: njet | Oct 9 2022 13:26 utc | 5 @DDK #2 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 9 2022 13:28 utc | 6 They are still strategising how to take control of ZapNPP… Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 9 2022 13:29 utc | 7 The “week in Review” needs to acknowledge Ambassador Elon Musk’s idea about establishing a special administrative zone for Taiwan. Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2022 13:31 utc | 8 Posted by: njet | Oct 9 2022 13:26 utc | 5 Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2022 13:33 utc | 9 @too scents | Oct 9 2022 13:31 utc | 8 Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2022 13:36 utc | 10 “Meanwhile, Russia is building its troops. Whenever Russia mobilizes those troops, they will make quick gains” Posted by: Fnord73 | Oct 9 2022 13:37 utc | 11 Posted by: young | Oct 9 2022 13:24 utc | 3 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2022 13:39 utc | 12 The moral justification for the war from Russia’s perspective is a holy war against Satanism. The slogan was delivered at the Red Square rally. https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1576126809993011205 Posted by: flaunting2 | Oct 9 2022 13:45 utc | 13 If I was doing the Russian planning it would include a stunning surprise timed for the US Elections. As others have pointed out the Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 9 2022 14:00 utc | 14 “Meanwhile, Russia is building its troops. Whenever Russia mobilizes those troops, they will make quick gains” Posted by: laguerre | Oct 9 2022 14:04 utc | 15 @c1ue | Oct 9 2022 13:28 utc | 6
I agree. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2022 14:07 utc | 16 @Norwegian | Oct 9 2022 14:07 utc | 17 Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2022 14:10 utc | 17 Posted by: nrg-2u | Oct 9 2022 13:46 utc | 14
1. In about four weeks the bulk of the newly mobilised Russian forces will be trained in the process of mass deployment to the front lines. These will be the reserves who’ve gone on refresher training. This will drive a rapid retreat of the AFU forces in the direction of Odessa. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 14:11 utc | 18 Still the US has a lot of money to throw around and waste. Posted by: Gabriel in Ireland | Oct 9 2022 14:22 utc | 19 -in five weeks… Posted by: James Grip | Oct 9 2022 14:26 utc | 20 This is how “civilised”, “fair-minded” British journos can be: sicko Guardian journo celebrating three civilian deaths Posted by: lulu | Oct 9 2022 14:26 utc | 21 The most significant bit of news this week came out of OPEC Plus because the most formidable weapon in the US arsenal is the dollar. For now. Posted by: chunga | Oct 9 2022 14:44 utc | 22 US does not have a lot of money to throw around, US has a lot of FIAT money to throw around. Posted by: KitaySupporter | Oct 9 2022 14:51 utc | 23 @2 DDK Posted by: tunabe | Oct 9 2022 14:58 utc | 24 Maybe naive on my part, but what if Russia is keeping an eye on the results of the midterm elections before striking back? Posted by: Meh | Oct 9 2022 14:59 utc | 25 I don’t agree that the US has a lot of money to throw around actually. They have lots of “money” but as VVP pointed out you can’t eat it or use that for fuel. Money is just a token – a store of value. But the USD (and the GBP and the Euro) is no longer that. Who really has any faith in any of them anymore? The whole thing works until it doesn’t and we seem to be very close to that now. Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 9 2022 15:02 utc | 26 Saw an article this morning claiming that Germany only has about 2 days supply of ammo left for conventional war. Gave too much away. Posted by: Leroy | Oct 9 2022 15:02 utc | 27 They keep trying to get Russia to overplay its hand with this bridge attack and the pipelines. Expecting a huge response and screaming about the use of nukes. Russia and Opec turn around and raise the price of oil. Europeans are starting to protest against Russian sanctions because they refuse to starve and freeze for their idiot leaders. Russia just needs to reverse a few ukranian successes and keep playing the slow game. You ruin the west financially and you’ve won. The war is just to keep people’s attention of the collapse of the western monetary system. Posted by: Watzov | Oct 9 2022 15:12 utc | 28 The US spends the most but gets the least for it of anyone. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 9 2022 15:20 utc | 29 The third rate presstitute media hack stenographers at the British Daily Mail are getting so rabid and deranged that they will soon have to rebrand their organ as the Daily Terrorist. Posted by: Paul | Oct 9 2022 15:21 utc | 30 I don’t agree that the US has a lot of money to throw around actually. Posted by: laguerre | Oct 9 2022 15:29 utc | 31 Continual escalation is exactly why this conflict will eventually become nuclear. And that will not be nukes in Ukraine. It will nukes in mainland USA and any NATO country that attempts to retaliate from Russian’s first strike upon the USA. Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 9 2022 15:29 utc | 32 c1ue @4 – Yes, your post foretells the near future. Putin and his core group have gamed this well. Posted by: Paul Spencer | Oct 9 2022 15:33 utc | 33 VIDEO FROM TODAY REPORTEDLY SHOWS WAGNER FORCES ENTERING BAKHMUT Posted by: YIU | Oct 9 2022 15:40 utc | 34 Bolton calls for the assassination of Putin: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 15:41 utc | 35 About the bridge explosion and the hysteria in the internet and MSM: Posted by: Ryck | Oct 9 2022 15:46 utc | 36 Arch @ 36 Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 9 2022 15:47 utc | 37 The Russians have their own time table and I prefer for them to manage their own business. They have done well enough with the resources at hand. Taking and controlling territory is not as important as coming back to fight another day. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 9 2022 15:50 utc | 38 Intel Slava Z has this on their Telegram channel. Who knows. Posted by: chunga | Oct 9 2022 15:52 utc | 39 tunabe @ 25
Unless the optically guided missile in the last seconds mistook the big white truck for the big white train car. I know I mentioned this yesterday but if we’re going to speculate might as well cover all the bases. If it was a missile we will never know just like the Moskva, it was just too big a fuck up to admit. And, if it was a missile, expect more just like the the Antonovsky bridge till it’s knocked out. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 9 2022 15:54 utc | 40 Posted by: Ryck | Oct 9 2022 15:46 utc | 37 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 15:55 utc | 41 thread:
https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1579074363370110976 Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2022 16:03 utc | 42 Posted by: Meh | Oct 9 2022 14:59 utc | 26 Posted by: Peter Hegger | Oct 9 2022 16:04 utc | 43 Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 9 2022 15:47 utc | 38
Knowing Putin, he’d do exactly that … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 16:06 utc | 44 Another failure by Russia….
https://swentr.site/russia/564343-ukraine-behind-crimean-bridge-explosion/ Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:08 utc | 45 gottlieb | 9 oktober 2022 15:47 utc | 38 Posted by: Northern Eve | Oct 9 2022 16:11 utc | 46 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:08 utc | 46 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 16:12 utc | 47 Sometimes stuff gets past the censors. A very short YT clip of Sky news interviewing a worn out Ukrainian female nurse. She says that at first she treated professional soldiers and now she is treating untrained soldiers who do not know what they are doing. Seems to be recent. Posted by: Erelis | Oct 9 2022 16:13 utc | 48 Pakistan, Ukraine, And The Race For Third-Party Ammunition Posted by: circumspect | Oct 9 2022 16:17 utc | 49 Only a fool would think burning diesel would damage the railway bridge, to many believe the false explanation of the 911 bombing, you just cannot destroy steel with diesel fire Posted by: gimmeabreak | Oct 9 2022 16:21 utc | 50 This analysis seems very reasonable and one that I share as well, except that it’s uncertain that the driver was an ISIS asset or an asset of the lingering Islamist terrorist groups of Chechnya, Dagestan or Ingushetia. Posted by: Ryck | Oct 9 2022 16:24 utc | 51 from a humble mostly lurker appreciation for good commentary. and i’m happy putin hasn’t taken the bait, my 2 cents Posted by: line islands | Oct 9 2022 16:25 utc | 52 Putin was the best thing to happen to USNato and Ukronazis. Posted by: gonzo | Oct 9 2022 16:25 utc | 53 Arch Bungle Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:28 utc | 54 Regarding the truck/not truck debate. Posted by: RJ | Oct 9 2022 16:36 utc | 55 too scents @ 43 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 9 2022 16:36 utc | 56 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:28 utc | 55
No it couldn’t. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 16:37 utc | 57 Photos from under the bridge, the road section that is partially collapsed, appeared today and there is no burn or anything visible. At least from that angle it seems nothing exploded under it. Posted by: rk | Oct 9 2022 16:39 utc | 58 The margin of safety of the Crimean bridge is very high – its supports must withstand an earthquake (or a phenomenon that can be triggered by an underwater explosion) of 9 points. This unique structure has increased seismic and impact resistance. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 16:40 utc | 59 Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 16:40 utc | 60
Too many coincidences. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 16:43 utc | 60 Arch Bungle
Your fixation and glorification of Putin is just perverse. Seek help. Please do not engage with me anymore thanks! Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:45 utc | 61 gimmyabreak at 51. Posted by: Oldengineer | Oct 9 2022 16:46 utc | 62 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:45 utc | 62
Aha! You yield! I declare victory. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 16:49 utc | 63 Why have Russia not liquidated the entire ukrainian intelligence already?? Posted by: Dave_k | Oct 9 2022 16:49 utc | 64 Wel, well … the fact that it didn’t happen … tells that this may have been desperate improvisation attempt by Ukrainians. Posted by: Lungarchina | Oct 9 2022 16:50 utc | 65 You ve to give Putin credit that he rightly anticipated the Ukronato attack against Donezk and Luhansk. Posted by: gonzo | Oct 9 2022 16:50 utc | 66 From Tass, a Ministry of Defense report for 9 October. It seems more brief than the summaries I’m accustomed to seeing posted at MoA, but at least it’s something (for those of us who cannot view online video of the MoD daily briefings).
I guess the writers are pressed for time. Or perhaps they’re bots?! Posted by: David Levin | Oct 9 2022 16:51 utc | 67 We’ll know once the FSB unwinds the network around the truck driver and anyone who touched it. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 16:57 utc | 68 Info for now;
And,
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 17:06 utc | 69 Re: Crimea bridge Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 9 2022 17:08 utc | 70 Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 17:06 utc | 69
I doubt there has ever been a state in history having this much destructive capacity yet choosing to exert this much restraint. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 17:10 utc | 71 Will there be retaliatory strikes against Ukraine’s critical infrastructure facilities? This cannot be ruled out. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 17:10 utc | 72 Why Russia does not use its very powerful conventional bombs like Posted by: marko | Oct 9 2022 17:11 utc | 73 Because an attack on Langley and Vauxhall Cross would be an impetuous escalation that would create more problems for Russia than it solves. Posted by: rk | Oct 9 2022 17:12 utc | 74 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 9 2022 17:08 utc | 70
This is a microaggression. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 17:15 utc | 75 @ William Gruff | Oct 9 2022 17:08 utc | 70 Posted by: dfg | Oct 9 2022 17:22 utc | 76 dfg @76: “And when DHS asks me what I’m doing, what should I say??” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 9 2022 17:24 utc | 77 Wiki – remind you of any tribe that has been deeply ingraining these qualities…. for centuries and centuries? Teaching dual-citizenship, dual-morality and ultimate superiority, very, very explicitly. Shall we call Biden et al what they are? Clinical psychopaths, and their puppets. Posted by: Nancy | Oct 9 2022 17:26 utc | 78 @ Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2022 16:49 utc | 63 Posted by: dfg | Oct 9 2022 17:27 utc | 79 The russian ruling class in and around the Kremlin probably forgot to mention that for them, the SMO is not against the “respected partners” but against the donbass militia and more broadly against any trace of communist heritage. He, indeed, should drink that tea with the tiny sultan and the coke actor of Bandarestan. Russian People and its army are not at fault. Decades of Gorbachev, then Eltsin and now a billionaire class of binationals, making sure that Russia was not prepared for the full-spectrum war against the empire of chaos. May some in the military save the nation. Posted by: Kareem | Oct 9 2022 17:28 utc | 80 The New Atlas (Land Destroyer) makes the same point that the Ukraine military is being destroyed in exchange for mostly empty territory. This Winter, Russia will have a much larger army in the field and its military will then take back the land against a depleted Ukrainian force. Posted by: Krollchem | Oct 9 2022 17:31 utc | 81 reply to 62 Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2022 17:37 utc | 82 Arch Bungle @75 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 9 2022 17:39 utc | 83 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 16:08 utc | 46 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2022 17:44 utc | 84 Eighthman @82 Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 9 2022 17:48 utc | 85 Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2022 17:37 utc | 82 Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 9 2022 17:48 utc | 86 Putin – This is a terrorist attack aimed at destroying the critical civilian infrastructure of the Russian Federation. Authors, performers and customers of the Crimean bridge bombing – Special Services of Ukraine Posted by: rk | Oct 9 2022 17:51 utc | 87 My analysis of the bridge explosion is: Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 9 2022 17:52 utc | 88 Here is an excellent video of the Kerch crossing during construction. Posted by: Lapin | Oct 9 2022 17:54 utc | 89 Gerasimov was due to retire prior start of the SMO. Time now to revisit the original plan. Posted by: Lozion | Oct 9 2022 17:59 utc | 90 reply to 85 Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2022 18:00 utc | 91 Another view; N=5 Posted by: Lapin | Oct 9 2022 18:06 utc | 92 Well look at this news, this if for all the morons being in denial by claiming Russia can protect their border just fine:
https://tass.com/russia/1520047 Posted by: Zanon | Oct 9 2022 18:07 utc | 93 @Lapin | Oct 9 2022 17:54 utc | 89 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 9 2022 18:09 utc | 94 https://www.riotimesonline.com Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2022 18:09 utc | 95 reply to 86 Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2022 18:15 utc | 97 Observation & Suggestion: Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Oct 9 2022 18:18 utc | 98 Former White House national security adviser John Bolton calls for Putin to be assassinated. Posted by: Matt | Oct 9 2022 18:22 utc | 99 Those people glad to see destruction of such monumental structure must be scumbags! I cannot find a word for that, they are absolutely reprehensible persons! Posted by: Paulg | Oct 9 2022 18:27 utc | 100 |
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