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October 3, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-165
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Rybar: Posted by: marko | Oct 3 2022 12:16 utc | 1 I always thought the joy of fighting on the Central European Plain was extended supply lines and elasticated advances stretched until rebound retreats………. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 3 2022 12:22 utc | 2 How to be of Help Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 3 2022 12:30 utc | 3 Ukraine now has the initiative all along the 1,000 km front, and it chooses when and where the battles are fought. Posted by: bob sykes | Oct 3 2022 12:34 utc | 4 When the traitor to humanity, Stalin, joined with the Nazis through the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact, and split up Poland, commencing WW2, none would have imagined anyone thinking to rehabilitate his image. Yet Putin did. Putin labors to make Stalin less abhorrent, less a failure to Russia and the planet. Now the delusion, that Ukraine is ruled by Nazis, the “West” being Satanist Nazis, that Russian imperialism is better than Western imperialism, comes across as madness in real time. Poor funny old world. Delusion reigns supreme in each empire, while real politic proceeds apace. Such a sad waste, and so terrible that Russia and China have fallen into the maw. Poor world, ridden by stupid masters. Posted by: ahole | Oct 3 2022 13:02 utc | 5 Despite the pro Russian pundits declaring the Kherson counteroffensive dead/halted/stopped several times, Ukraine is again on the move there taking a large amount of territory in a day. In an area that must be re-supplied by helicopter or ferry. The poor people of that area that voted to join Russia may be awaiting a horrible fate. Posted by: Simon | Oct 3 2022 13:02 utc | 6 https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/10/turkish-shipyard-launches-hetman-ivan-mazepa/ Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 13:05 utc | 7 From what i understand, the UAF & Friends used a considerable amount of soldiers and equipment to attack Lyman for 2 weeks. 6000 vs 500 Cossacks and many failed assaults. In the end RF forces simply withdrew. I noticed that the LOC is much more “smooth” and likely easier to fortify. I’ve noticed across the net that all the US-UKraine trolls are hopping with glee and high-fiving while hurling insults at anyone that disagrees. But just how much of a victory is this? The RF is about add a considerable amount of men and materials to the war. They are already aware that they are fighting the USA and NATO so there are no surprises there. It would seem that most of the population knows this and is ready for it, despite the of fleeing “conscripts”. The idea of “fast-tracking” Ukraine into NATO despite it not meeting the criteria seems crazy and dangerous, but then NATO is already embroiled so what would change? Off with the gloves and abandon the pretense that you are helping protect a nation being victimized by “unprovoked aggression” and let’er rip? Where are all these weapons coming from? Given the rapidly shrinking industrial base, the reliance on Russian and Chinese parts and materials I just don’t see it. Also: if the USA and the Attack-Poodles go all in, I would expect a reaction from China as well as other allied nations. I wonder how many artillery shells China could make in a month at full production? How are the EU nations going muster the troopies when the population is taking to the streets. In a way it seems like a well engineered FusterCluck. Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 3 2022 13:06 utc | 8 CHEERS and a STANDING OVATION at the Russian Parliament as it ratifies the agreements on Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, Zaporozhye and Kherson blabla…Intel Slava just reports. Posted by: Josef Schweik | Oct 3 2022 13:07 utc | 9 How is it that as soon as I post even after some days – a whole new thread suddenly starts 😉 Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 3 2022 13:09 utc | 10 Its crystal clear to me that if Putin had destroyed Ukraine with 500K troops in Feb as we all agree he could have, it would be forever condemned by much of the Slavic community. The meme of Slavic unity is very strong. The Ukrainian brothers would have risen if given the chance. IMO Putin had to give them that chance in order to ensure his countries support for what actually has to happen. Genius. Posted by: Ralph Conner | Oct 3 2022 13:11 utc | 11 In case you missed it…. Posted by: Lord Ashvile | Oct 3 2022 13:16 utc | 12 Posted by: flaunting | Oct 3 2022 13:09 utc | 10 Posted by: WJ | Oct 3 2022 13:17 utc | 13 @10 flaunting Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 3 2022 13:18 utc | 14 The fog of war in Donbass is particularly dense at present time. Posted by: WJ | Oct 3 2022 13:23 utc | 15 These threads are now like walking through a swarm of ankle-biting mosquitos. Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 3 2022 13:27 utc | 16 This is a good, well-balanced write up on developments in theater over the past few days: Posted by: WJ | Oct 3 2022 13:35 utc | 17 Germany appears firmly in America’s orbit now. Posted by: John Kirsch | Oct 3 2022 13:35 utc | 18 via UK press Posted by: Jo | Oct 3 2022 13:38 utc | 19 Its crystal clear to me that if Putin had destroyed Ukraine with 500K troops in Feb as we all agree he could have, it would be forever condemned by much of the Slavic community. The meme of Slavic unity is very strong. The Ukrainian brothers would have risen if given the chance. IMO Putin had to give them that chance in order to ensure his countries support for what actually has to happen. Genius. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 3 2022 13:42 utc | 20 The longer this goes on, the more parallels with the US Civil War seem to appear: Posted by: Tom | Oct 3 2022 13:42 utc | 21 Germany appears firmly in America’s orbit now. Posted by: financial matters | Oct 3 2022 13:50 utc | 22 Posted by: Tom | Oct 3 2022 13:42 utc | 22 Posted by: WJ | Oct 3 2022 13:55 utc | 23 More reports on Russian telegram channels about Ukrainian advances in Kherson region. Things are looking very bad. The whole SMO approach has been self-defeating, and the mobilization looks more and more like too little too late. God help Russia! Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 3 2022 13:59 utc | 24 If I was a thinking German, I’d blow up the pipeline from Norway to Poland. So as not to live on charity from the hyena of Europe. Posted by: Philip H Gattey | Oct 3 2022 14:00 utc | 25 @ WJ 16 Posted by: Giyane | Oct 3 2022 14:04 utc | 26 At the risk of being labeled a “concern troll”, MoA’s deprecation of the moment, as a long-time Russophile and observer of Russia, it should be clear to any realistic observer that from the events of the last few days, Russia is currently loosing the war in the Ukraine. Only the imminent “rasputitsa” mud season is likely to save Russia from major setbacks on the Kherson, Donetsk, and Luhansk fronts. By its end in early/mid-November when the ground freezes, Russia might have enough of the newly-mobalized prior-service troops refresher-trained and integrated into existing subunits, or organized and equipped in new units, to hold back the huge numbers of NATO-equipped/organized/lead units the Ukraine is capable of throwing against it. Let’s hope it’s not too late. Otherwise, the incorporation of the Donbas and Kherson and Zaporozhia oblasts into Russia might be at most an interesting historical curiosity someday. Posted by: Seward | Oct 3 2022 14:04 utc | 27 If Ukraine was doing so well on the battlefield it wouldn’t be necessary to flood each thread with astroturfers. If Ukraine is doing so well why has NATO washed its hands of Ukraine’s NATO application. Sure NATO will fight to the last Ukrainian but they’ll be damned if they let the suckers into the club. Posted by: Down South | Oct 3 2022 14:13 utc | 28 Only fools will attack headlong, while the opponent retreats. Usually, the retreating opponent would entice the enemy into a trap. The Americans and their vassals (Ukraine here) are known to be utter fools. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 3 2022 14:14 utc | 29 When the traitor to humanity, Stalin, joined with the Nazis through the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact, and split up Poland, commencing WW2, …. Posted by: (4*3)Monkeys | Oct 3 2022 14:18 utc | 30 In local MSM I read that Kadyrov says nuclear stuff should be deployed. (Probably because Posted by: Dirk | Oct 3 2022 14:19 utc | 31 I note that in my 75 years the Mighty US Military has won two engagements, a glorious victory over the Dope dealers of Panama and Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 3 2022 14:19 utc | 32 I wonder how those American weapons will work in the cold. I do know that they do exercises in Norway and the like but their focus for many years now has been on hot, sandy places and tropical jungle. I’d expect the weapons to be designed for that. And it’s pretty chilly here today. Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 3 2022 14:22 utc | 33 @Dirk #32, Kadyrov wrote it on his telegram:
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 14:35 utc | 34 Russia will always have an adversary to deal with in Ukraine or elsewhere as long as the USA is funneling support against the Russian Bear. The USA will never back down because its money is at stake. Russia is seriously challenging the world reserve currency status of the United States Dollar (USD). If the USA does not take down Russia, then the value of the USD will quickly erode. Posted by: young | Oct 3 2022 14:35 utc | 35 There could be method to what the Russians are doing by retreating. Posted by: Ghost Ship | Oct 3 2022 14:36 utc | 36 Now Russia “loses” at least that’s what the reports say??? Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 3 2022 14:40 utc | 37 An example of the fathead thicko stupidity of some. A whole lot of Amerikans are buying up weeks on hundreds of airbnb sites across the Ukraine, and leaving 5-star “reviews” saying things like “I have no intention of visiting your beautiful country but just wanted to help you during this brutal Russian invasion…” [rtc rtc] Posted by: petra | Oct 3 2022 14:41 utc | 38 I confess to being a little rattled by the lack of apparent reaction by Russia to the latest battlefield circumstances, from here in TN, so I have to believe there is a psychological component to this. Tomorrow I believe all formalities will be complete so this has to be on the minds of Ukrainians. Posted by: chunga | Oct 3 2022 14:42 utc | 39 petra | Oct 3 2022 14:41 utc | 39 Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 3 2022 14:44 utc | 40 In case you missed it…. (bis) Posted by: Nanker | Oct 3 2022 14:47 utc | 41 Ghost Ship | Oct 3 2022 14:36 utc | 37 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 14:48 utc | 42 Looks like the gas equation has changed yet again as the B-String of NS2 remains serviceable. Yes, it will be emptied of gas then examined; yet, because it’s possible to perform that, it’s likely able to resume operations, which will again put pressure on EU politicos to bow to their constituents demands it be opened. The flipside is citizens will again be able to mount pressure since gas can again be delivered. In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 3 2022 14:52 utc | 44 US general Petraeus is turning hyper berserk with these threats about nuclear weapons. Russia should tell him that in case of any Nato backed nuclear attack in Ukraine it would be regarded as nuclear attack against Russia. Since that’s what it effectively is. Or an eye-for-an-eye, you pollute our land, we pollute yours somewhere. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 14:56 utc | 45 If they can get to that reservoir, they will flood a large area and cut off most of Kherson region. Russian troops and civilians will get massacred. The Ukrainian government has said that everyone that has voted will go 10 years in prison. They will of course later offer amnesty for future obedience. Posted by: alek_a | Oct 3 2022 14:57 utc | 46 As Martyanov says don’t be lost in the minutiae. Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 3 2022 15:02 utc | 47 Karl L a few days ago in Germany: Posted by: Macpott | Oct 3 2022 15:05 utc | 48 LOL!!! I agree. Some of these folks are getting paid for the textual white noise biting you on the ankles. Given the fog of war it is very hard to distinguish between the good and bad mosquitos so I just look for familiar monikers…Have one on me! Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 3 2022 15:05 utc | 49 You doomers would make good ww1 generals. You think holding onto territory no matter the cost is a good idea. Posted by: Anon8888 | Oct 3 2022 15:09 utc | 50 “…It should also be noted the constitutional procedures for the addition of the new territories are almost complete, and beginning Tuesday an attack on them will be an attack on Russia…” Posted by: juliania | Oct 3 2022 15:11 utc | 51 Anybody still listening that drunk western agent, deserves what they get. Posted by: alek_a | Oct 3 2022 15:12 utc | 52 Anybody still listening that drunk western agent, deserves what they get. Posted by: evilsooty999 | Oct 3 2022 15:15 utc | 53 Can anyone please answer? Posted by: @vec | Oct 3 2022 15:18 utc | 54 The Ukr army advancing forces are getting massacred in the ‘abandoned’ areas. What the use of a headlong attack without air cover? The steppe is going to be a muddy hole within days. The US/UK are pushing the Ukr fools to sacrifice themselves, so that at least one man from an Ukrainian family would be dead to keep up the Russo-hate. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 3 2022 15:19 utc | 55 Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 3 2022 14:51 utc | 44 Posted by: tunabe | Oct 3 2022 15:20 utc | 56 The Great Reset crowd want a destroyed world in which to create their dystopian nightmare of transhumanism control….a nuclear war will reduce the population dramatically and destroy the nation state concept…plus wipe out pesky populations that formed the concept of individual liberty etc….the globalists are trying to incite a nuclear response from Russia so they can come out of their massive bunkers and take over. Russia is slowly and methodically securing it’s border lands with minimal losses in civilian and combat troops and every day closer to winter the Western economy teeters on collapse. Not be word being released by the Western media is credible as unbiased truth Posted by: Joe | Oct 3 2022 15:28 utc | 57 EU announced that they’ll train 15k nazis. Posted by: rk | Oct 3 2022 15:30 utc | 58 “I confess to being a little rattled by the lack of apparent reaction by Russia to the latest battlefield circumstances, from here in TN, so I have to believe there is a psychological component to this. Tomorrow I believe all formalities will be complete so this has to be on the minds of Ukrainians. Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 15:31 utc | 59 TomUK Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 3 2022 15:32 utc | 60
https://twitter.com/trenttelenko/status/1576920243854667777?s=21
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11273587/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Russias-forces-approaching-mutiny.html Posted by: Peter Besscom | Oct 3 2022 15:33 utc | 61 “It is clear to me that Russia will lose Kherson, Zaporizhia and western Luhansk shortly.” Posted by: zidar | Oct 3 2022 15:38 utc | 62 People, i find it odd that when 3 from 4 pipelines are bombed, both a Nato member opposed to NS2 or Russia would deliberately opt to make the only one left standing the NS2 line B: Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 3 2022 15:44 utc | 63 These threads where everyone just argues about up-to-the-minute but unreliable telegram updates are wild. Let me ask you if you believe everything you read on western social media or assume that much of it is manipulated either intentionally or unintentionally? Social media is always an echo chamber, and in this case rumors bounce around and get amplified. Look at how many telegram posts from fairly significant channels report something by reposting from another channel without openly doing so (the little repost indicator at the top) but then the repost is referencing the channel doing the repost. It’s a mess and the breaking info is almost always coming from militia sources with all the complications there, like some resentment at being told what to do by the AFR and belief that if Russia had just given them what they needed, then or now, the whole thing would be over. (Whether that’s true or not is immaterial) Posted by: Lex | Oct 3 2022 15:44 utc | 64 @ line islands #60 Posted by: chunga | Oct 3 2022 15:45 utc | 65 Wargonzo reports that Moldova and Romania are preparing to attack Transnistria. Posted by: rk | Oct 3 2022 15:49 utc | 66 Fruit flies and time stops Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 3 2022 15:53 utc | 67 @ Petri Krohn | Oct 1 2022 18:35 utc | 104
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 3 2022 15:54 utc | 68 The most ridiculous and hypocritical aspect of Martyanov and his ilk is their stubborn refusal to analyse and assess the reason of major tactical-operational defeats like the ones in Izyum, Balakleya, Lyman. Posted by: Micron | Oct 3 2022 15:55 utc | 69 Et Tu | Oct 3 2022 15:44 utc | 64 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 15:55 utc | 70 I confess to being a little rattled by the lack of apparent reaction by Russia to the latest battlefield circumstances, from here in TN, so I have to believe there is a psychological component to this. Tomorrow I believe all formalities will be complete so this has to be on the minds of Ukrainians. Posted by: Michigan Dude | Oct 3 2022 15:57 utc | 71 Posted by: Lex | Oct 3 2022 15:44 utc | 65 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 16:00 utc | 72 west is continuing its politics of slowly boiling humiliation of russia. the newest order from america’s mafia bosses are summons of russian ambassadors in nato countries to respective foreign affairs departments and gave them slap in the face because of referendums. Posted by: denazi | Oct 3 2022 16:02 utc | 73 tunabe @57– Signal to noise ratio on this thread is particularly low. Posted by: c1ue | Oct 3 2022 16:03 utc | 75 Well said Lex ( Oct 3 2022 15:44 utc | 65 ). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 3 2022 16:04 utc | 76 Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 3 2022 14:52 utc | 45 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 16:05 utc | 77 Last report Gazprom: 03.10.22 Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 3 2022 16:08 utc | 78 VPN issues or link to YT?
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 3 2022 16:09 utc | 79 From Slavyangrad….. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 3 2022 16:11 utc | 81 @young 36 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 3 2022 16:12 utc | 82 The Italian newspaper La Repubblica rings the alarm bells. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 3 2022 16:13 utc | 83 A few relevant Tg links: Posted by: Kareem | Oct 3 2022 16:15 utc | 84 @ahole 5 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 3 2022 16:16 utc | 85 @Mo3 #79, Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 16:21 utc | 88 Southern Ontario-its lowest area—on the Ottawa River—is only 150 feet (45 metres) above sea level. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 3 2022 16:24 utc | 89 “I really hope we’ll see something in between what they’re doing now and nukes. Something more robust and definitive but shy of nuclear weapons, because it seems to me that genie will be hard to get back in the bottle.“ Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 16:24 utc | 90 Possible sitrep info, Ukrainian forces, including international mercenaries of which you can see waving their countries flags in the link, have suffered heavy losses to reach this position. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 3 2022 16:26 utc | 91
Absolutely right. Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 3 2022 16:28 utc | 92 Posted by: zidar | Oct 3 2022 15:38 utc | 63 Posted by: alek_a | Oct 3 2022 16:29 utc | 93 line islands | Oct 3 2022 16:24 utc | 91 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 16:29 utc | 94 ..but simply acted as a warning that pipelines to Europe are vulnerable to attack.. Posted by: Paulg | Oct 3 2022 16:30 utc | 95 The NATO troll factories have entirely taken over this thread. It’s clearly a big offensive to destroy the last vestiges of reason and rationality, and to gaslight us into believing that miniature advances are really big successes. When the Russians advanced that much, the trolls denied any advance had taken place, but now it’s a great victory when it’s the Ukies doing it. Posted by: laguerre | Oct 3 2022 16:32 utc | 97 Kherson situation update from RT : Posted by: YIU | Oct 3 2022 16:33 utc | 98 @alek_a #94 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 3 2022 16:34 utc | 99 “Nobody is paying me to hang here.” Posted by: laguerre | Oct 3 2022 16:34 utc | 100 |
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