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October 2, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-164
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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@SeanAU #200,
OSCE never reported that. They reported explosions, most of which occurred in separatist-controlled territory. B took OSCE’s map of explosions, made the elementary error of assuming they all represented incoming fire, and made the claim that you repeat above. However, the type of most of the explosions was not determined and of the ones that were, most were *outgoing*, not incoming fire. Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 2:39 utc | 201 Oblomovka daydream #108 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 3 2022 2:40 utc | 202 I heard that the ukraine lost a shit load of tanks in kerson today in another failed attack. Its a turkey shoot guys! Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 3 2022 2:58 utc | 203 Whether one likes Mr Martyanov’s style or not, he is undeniably correct in that the small backward and forward daily movements in war are irrelevant to the overall strategic movements. Which is why listening to MSM quoting trolls is a waste of time, as opposed to a well argued counter narrative that ignites objective thought. We all know Russia is reinforcing, and that the SMO restrictions will end, perhaps we should just sit back and observe what happens next, if that is a fizzer then it might be time to reevaluate, it would seem though things will more likely start to again go badly for Ukraine. Posted by: Organic | Oct 3 2022 2:58 utc | 204 SeanAU | Oct 3 2022 1:56 utc | 191 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 3 2022 3:00 utc | 205 Belgorod Today (telegram channel) is reporting that the regional military commissar Valery Gritsai was removed from his post. A number of publicly published facts, including about the relationship with opponents, according to our interlocutor, were confirmed. Mr. Gritsai may face serious and severe criminal punishment. Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 3 2022 3:10 utc | 206 Melaleuca | Oct 3 2022 3:00 utc | 208 “Aussies couldn’t access WA, but international flights from the US could… because of the flow back and forward to the bases..” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 3:19 utc | 207 David Levin | Oct 3 2022 1:46 utc | 185 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 3:34 utc | 208 Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 3:19 utc | 210 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 3 2022 3:34 utc | 209 So I suppose German CDU speaker Friedrich Merz DID correctly predict the date of which an event everyone would remember that began WW3, but failed to anticipate the delayed reaction of Russia? Posted by: NJH | Oct 3 2022 3:42 utc | 210 Turk 152 | Oct 3 2022 2:21 utc | 194 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 3:45 utc | 211 @Peter AU1, genuine belly laugh at you thinking “Man On Fire” is based on a true story. Great Denzel flick though and Tony Scott’s best by far. Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 3:46 utc | 212 Melaleuca | Oct 3 2022 3:34 utc | 212 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 4:06 utc | 213 Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 3:46 utc | 215 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 4:14 utc | 214 A short break in the Russian clouds as the storm is gathering and the Nazi’s think their summer will last forever…minds destroyed by pharmaceutical chemical courage and US bullshit. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 4:20 utc | 215 @ Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 2:39 utc | 204 Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 3 2022 4:32 utc | 216 Peter AU1 @ 154 Posted by: circumspect | Oct 3 2022 4:36 utc | 217 @SeanAU just put my name + OSCE in the search bar for this site. We’ve been over it in depth (and you’re out of yours). Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 4:41 utc | 218 Information warfare and paid trolls on blogs like this. There is a quote, I forget its exact wording but to win an air war, Russia puts its tanks on the enemies airstrips. What we are seeing is western hot air in the information sphere vs Russian firepower. I suspect that what is to come whill have not only the chemically couraged ukroids, but also the morally and ethically challenged pay per post trolls trying to hide in childish hide holes. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 4:48 utc | 219 The US Army has also had trouble conscripting recruits, falling below standards in quantity and quality. Here are some recent recruits. Posted by: AParadiseLost | Oct 3 2022 5:03 utc | 220 A few years ago there was a study made of US Army general officers during WWII. Conclusion was the high command ( Marshall etc ) ruthlessly fired even semi-competent Generals. Posted by: Exile | Oct 3 2022 5:17 utc | 221 Circumspect [220] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 3 2022 5:27 utc | 222 circumspect | Oct 3 2022 4:36 utc | 220 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 5:41 utc | 223 SeanAU | Oct 3 2022 5:42 utc | 227 “It could not be any clearer could it? NATO and EU officials have repeated this rhetoric often” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 6:02 utc | 224 I thought this kind of rhetoric was not permitted on this board. Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 3 2022 6:21 utc | 225 I’ve read you’re posts Sean and trying to place you. I assume you’re Aussie, you are not a troll and don’t seem to be a hand wringer or good time girl. Total mistrust of authority, no matter where it is? I’m not sure about that either. You don’t push any ideology. At the moment I am leaning towards simple mistrust of all authority. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 6:22 utc | 226
Lots of jews screaming in the comments today, did a goy somewhere in the world manage to give birth to an unvaccinated child? Posted by: Jusses | Oct 3 2022 6:30 utc | 227 You just have to think about it for 10 minutes to realize there isn’t necessarily gonna be a “tactical” or “low-yield” nuclear strike in Ukraine. If and when Russia strikes, it could just as easily be a full-scale barrage across all of Ukraine to paralyze the military and government, so frontline forces can be mopped up. Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 6:31 utc | 228 To-SeanAU | Oct 3 2022 5:42 utc | 227 – and all the rest of you westies who obsess moan and complain about the little far off country villages swinging one way or ‘nother Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 3 2022 6:38 utc | 229 Awefully quiet today – normally we have updates by this time of day. Posted by: Frenziedfrog | Oct 3 2022 6:55 utc | 230 If the UAF is able to eliminate or badly compromise the RF position on the Kherson bridgehead then that would be a serious reverse – far more damaging to Russian war aims than any of the ground lost around Kharkov. However earlier attacks in Kherson by the UAF were badly handled, penetrating an observation screen before running into fire traps and RF forces in prepared positions. The latest attacks, despite much PR, appear to have recaptured a few villages in the North – at an unknown cost. It is not yet a serious offensive, though if it becomes one and does make serious advances, then the capabilities of the RF need to be called into question. This is one piece of ground they need to hold. Posted by: marcjf | Oct 3 2022 6:59 utc | 231 @ZX #145 Posted by: Kamil | Oct 3 2022 6:59 utc | 232 re: 121, Radek Kowalczyk. Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 7:04 utc | 233 Erdogan
Erdogan is a turk politician.
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 3 2022 7:09 utc | 235 Turkey- Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 3 2022 7:17 utc | 236 What is inexplicable is that Russia should find itself outnumbered. Posted by: rk | Oct 3 2022 7:25 utc | 237 🇲🇩 Sandu is preparing military mobilization in Moldova Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 7:27 utc | 238 You just have to think about it for 10 minutes to realize there isn’t necessarily gonna be a “tactical” or “low-yield” nuclear strike in Ukraine. …. Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 7:27 utc | 239 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 7:27 utc | 245 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 7:33 utc | 240 Sooner or later one of these events will result in unintended consequences. Posted by: marko | Oct 3 2022 7:56 utc | 241 According to the latest John Helmer article, the Russian officials are expecting US government to paralyze their own electric grid before the november election. … Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 8:29 utc | 242 For the fact remains: NATO has not declared war on Russia, and nor have any of the nations I listed. Russia has not declared war on NATO, nor upon any of those nations of “the collective west” or the ones I listed. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 3 2022 8:31 utc | 243 Note that the Lehman and Bear Sterns collapse were organised by the Fed and the major Banks together at that time (According to some), where short selling and naked short selling combined to cause the collapse of the shares, over a two day period. Bear Sterns was the target, Lehman did not listen to “advice” and was caught out. With the demise of the BS ALL 6 major Bank came under J control as BS was the last major one in non J hands. (Could have been 5 major banks) Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 3 2022 8:41 utc | 244 Thanks to all who introduced (and reintroduced) me to some very fine paintings yesterday. I had turned Peasant Woman Lifting Potatoes into Peasent Women lifting . . .. Likely with an assist from the Women Eating Potatoes and the Gleaners. But it all leads to another thought about our HabekBaerbock-gifted futures. Ably assisted by every other party – who virtually all seem to have donned “green” clothes. It’s about the fertiliser shortage caused by the energy shortage and the ban on the Beleorussian stuff. How long before we see European laws mandating that we visit fields to deliver our nutrient pulses direct to the landscape? No doubt our betters will be able to outsource their contributions to night-soil collectors and deliverers. Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 3 2022 8:43 utc | 245 186 Posted by: Michigan Dude | Oct 3 2022 9:03 utc | 246 @ Paul Greenwood | Oct 3 2022 8:41 utc | 250 Posted by: dfg | Oct 3 2022 9:08 utc | 247 russia is done. you can’t win anything, let alone war, with such inferiority complex…less talk, more walk, but this message is lost in russia. russia still thinks like milosevic, truth will prevail and everything will be okay and west is going to love us again…you can’t win mafia war with the truth…no one cares about it…might make respect. russia has two choices: takes the gloves off or kiss the mafia don ring…there are no third magical choice. Posted by: denazi | Oct 3 2022 9:10 utc | 248 Various comments above Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 3 2022 9:17 utc | 249 Out of interest, has anyone seen any news reports that indicated what mode of transport Christine Lambrecht used for her impromptu visit to Odessa on Saturday? Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 9:17 utc | 250 Posted by: AParadiseLost | Oct 3 2022 5:03 utc | 223 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 9:24 utc | 251 Paul Greenwood | Oct 3 2022 8:41 utc | 250 Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 3 2022 9:42 utc | 252 European center for medium range weather forecasts (ECMWF) predicts relatively cold and low-wind winter, at least initial winter according to Financial Times. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 10:06 utc | 253 Intel Republic is reporting that Ukrainian forces have entered Lugansk Republic. That said, Russia should be destroying Ukraine’s infrastructure to prevent supplies from reaching the Ukro-nazis on the frontline, but for some reason Russia’s leaders have decided not to attack Nazi infrastructure or perhaps Russia simply lacks the capability to destroy it. Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 3 2022 10:13 utc | 254 From Bloomberg:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-03/a-1-trillion-burden-looms-for-world-borrowers-refinancing-debt Posted by: too scents | Oct 3 2022 10:20 utc | 255 Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 3 2022 10:13 utc | 260 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 10:27 utc | 256 russia is done. you can’t win anything, let alone war, with such inferiority complex…less talk, more walk, but this message is lost in russia. russia still thinks like milosevic, truth will prevail and everything will be okay and west is going to love us again…you can’t win mafia war with the truth…no one cares about it…might make respect. russia has two choices: takes the gloves off or kiss the mafia don ring…there are no third magical choice. Posted by: Guernica | Oct 3 2022 10:30 utc | 257 For some reason, people seem to believe the real world is being played like a video or computer game. If there is an attack, just get troops over there or bomb them to hell. Like everything is in place and being moved with a few mouse clicks. On a 1,000 km front line. Aye right. Posted by: CM of Berlin | Oct 3 2022 10:37 utc | 259 I notice that the Kherson offensive (actually one out of three) that is nearest Zaporizhia, has run into the arms of mother nature. Rain stopped “play”. Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 3 2022 10:46 utc | 260
Yes, yes. And mines exploding under the feet of Donbass children are in fact propulsive explosions that hurl projectiles straight into the barrels of Ukrainian artillery and mlrs. Poor innocent artillery and mlrs. (the jew cries as he strikes you) Posted by: Jusses | Oct 3 2022 10:49 utc | 261 @266 CM of Berlin Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 3 2022 10:50 utc | 262 “RF has lots of options to attack and destroy Kearsarge, some nuclear. In open sea and with the appropriate choice of warhead, there would probably be very little fallout, certainly nothing like even a low yield detonation within Ukraine.” Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 10:51 utc | 263 I’d feel even worse about Russia using nuclear weapons than I already do if Ukraine’s intelligence chief hadn’t said a few days ago that it’s “very likely” without seeming much troubled. An article in the Washington Examiner quoted “European diplomats” saying Ukraine will retaliate to a nuclear attack by invading Russia through the borders, and the New York Times quoted the usual anonymous officials saying the U.S.’s likely response will be to sever Russia from the world economy (how?) and send Ukraine more-powerful weapons. Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 10:57 utc | 264 Balakleya, Izium, Krupyansk, Liman, Zolotoy-Balka, Dudchany: I smell rats… Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 3 2022 11:10 utc | 265 Ukraine’s mistake isn’t thinking that a nuclear attack is “very likely” but that “tactical nuclear weapons” along the frontlines are the likeliest outcome. To my mind, western Ukraine will be hit with hydrogen warheads to irradiate and paralyze the rear. I imagine these will be somewhat high altitude and targeted at command and control centers. I doubt bombs will be dropped too close to the frontlines, actually — you need gobs of specialized equipment to keep your own troops from slowly liquefying in the fallout. Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 11:20 utc | 266 Re. Lyman, there were some reinforcements sent in the cauldron. Apparently they managed to cause a lot of losses to Ukraine forces trying to advance on those flanks of the cauldron. It did keep the cauldron borders open so that the Lyman garrison could withdraw. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 11:26 utc | 267 ‘The work of Russian artillery on the advancing enemy armored vehicles in the Kherson direction was caught on video’ Posted by: Nobody | Oct 3 2022 11:45 utc | 268
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Oct 3 2022 12:03 utc | 269 I mean you can’t be supportive of the way Israel treats the Palestinians can you? Now where are the Jews working for Palestinian rights? Posted by: RB | Oct 3 2022 12:03 utc | 270 @278 CM of Berlin Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 3 2022 12:25 utc | 271 It was curious that the MoA site became unavailable when it published Putins speech and the tweet was copied across various other sites. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 3 2022 12:26 utc | 272 Latest MOD report: Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 3 2022 12:28 utc | 273 Posted by: line islands | Oct 3 2022 10:51 utc | 271 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 3 2022 12:30 utc | 274
Posted by: fnord | Oct 2 2022 21:53 utc | 127 Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 3 2022 12:31 utc | 275 Posted by: Tedder | Oct 2 2022 18:04 utc | 42 Posted by: snake | Oct 3 2022 12:35 utc | 276 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 3 2022 1:48 utc | 187 Posted by: Zed | Oct 3 2022 12:36 utc | 277 There is no way tactical nukes are on the table right now. Not by Russia, and not in a false flag sense.. there are radioactive signatures for all countries’ weapons and it would be possible to determine the source. Posted by: dask | Oct 3 2022 12:39 utc | 278 The Nord pipelines were full of gas/methane and not moving on either end, just sitting there with hydrate slurry (plugs) forming in the pipelines, for hydrate plugs to form they need: pressure, temperature and HO2,….. Posted by: Hannibal | Oct 3 2022 14:10 utc | 279 I’m getting a bit anxious waiting for Russia to get out of low gear. I wonder if the delay is because Russia knows America will set off a false flag dirty bomb in Ukraine and blames it on Russia? Posted by: Paul Melonas | Oct 3 2022 14:16 utc | 280 To my mind, western Ukraine will be hit with hydrogen warheads to irradiate and paralyze the rear. Posted by: Jusses | Oct 3 2022 14:17 utc | 281 “…the Outlaw US Empire no longer has any militarily valuable European allies as it essentially killed NATO when it blew up the gas pipelines, although it retains cannon fodder with the Baltics and Poland once Ukraine is used up.” Posted by: juliania | Oct 3 2022 14:59 utc | 282 @old hippie #255 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 3 2022 15:06 utc | 283 This Yenwoda troll is such a creep. Would that all those trolls went to the Donbass and dared to repeat their disgusting propaganda, I guess even the oldest grandmothers would tear them to pieces…Minimizing and questioning the suffering of the population there while trying to sound honest and objective: well, how despicable can you be? Posted by: anthony | Oct 3 2022 15:06 utc | 284 @Jellyfish #152, it’s grimly funny to think that if Russia uses a battlefield nuke in Ukraine, half the people here will cheer and the other half will denounce it as a false flag Posted by: RB | Oct 3 2022 16:15 utc | 285 Posted by: Peter Besscom | Oct 3 2022 0:14 utc | 158 Posted by: RB | Oct 3 2022 16:34 utc | 286 @SeanAU just put my name + OSCE in the search bar for this site. We’ve been over it in depth (and you’re out of yours). Posted by: RB | Oct 3 2022 18:08 utc | 287 why would having debt be bad? If money devalues fast it could be good. If you are unable to pay the debt it would be bad. I don’t see which way it goes Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Oct 3 2022 19:16 utc | 288 The situation on Europe’s Western front in 1939/40 was called the “phony war”. Future scholars possibly will call the Russian campaign in Ukraine an even phonier one. IMHO, even if the Kremlin now eventually declares total war on Kyiv (in legal and physical terms) the milk is spilled. Posted by: Seneschal | Oct 4 2022 1:58 utc | 289 The way the Russians have conducted operations in Ukraine is inexplicable. Why the hell Russia does not destroy western armor , heavy weaponry and munitions before it gets to the front lines? Armored vehicles and heavy weapons from the west , are openly rolling down the highways and railway lines , going cross country in large caravans , all the way to the front ! Seriously , WTF is going on here ? Keep this up and there will not be a Donbas or Luhansk militia-man left alive in a few months . Mobilization , recruiting and training , only now ? It’s been seven months , what have they been doing ? What the hell were they thinking ? Ineptitude, at the top may end up costing Russia this war . Shoigu , for one , ought to be shit canned and replaced. No way Putin / the Russians should be in this boat . Posted by: Buford T Justice | Oct 4 2022 4:10 utc | 290 theomimesis | Oct 2 2022 20:09 utc | 104 Posted by: donten | Oct 4 2022 4:33 utc | 291 Breaking news from the Bakhmut and Seversk fronts: Ukrainian forces suddenly launched a massive counter-offensive along the entire eastern front. Posted by: Mo3 | Oct 4 2022 10:56 utc | 292
I don’t know whether this is the study you refer to, but the book Marshall and His Generals seems likely to address the subject of interest. Posted by: David Levin | Oct 4 2022 12:41 utc | 293 |
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