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October 2, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-164
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The loss of Kherson would be huge for Russia., but there’s not much available to stop Russia’s defense lines from crumbling. Reinforcements are not available. The Russian forces in Kherson are on a sort of island, with Ukraine forces to the north and a wide river to the south. With all Dnipro bridges blown Russia has fallen back to using pontoon boats (barges) for resupply. They make nice targets.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2022 20:04 utc | 101
Russia needs to destroy Ukraine’s infrastructure (i.e., power grid, train system, etc.) in order to make it impossible for the Ukro-nazis to resupply their forces on the battle front. Alas, it appears that Russia is either unwilling or unable to do that.
Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 2 2022 20:09 utc | 101
Someone in here was claiming NATO was flooding Ukraine with weapons, but even if the articles about NATO running out of ammunition are just some kind of psyop, it still takes an insane amount of resources to keep a modern western style army on the offensive, so I would think if the AFU was consuming even a fraction of the resources the US army does they still can only sustain an offensive for a short time.its not like they spent an entire month constantly assaulting kherson, especially when they had no artillery cover for the first half of the month.
It’s probably also why putin tried to fight on the cheap, because the USA is the only power capable of fielding a massive army for so long and that’s because they run the entire global capitalist network and consume 30% of all human work.
Posted by: Marin | Oct 2 2022 20:10 utc | 102
fyi
“the US will support Ukraine regardless of the course of the conflict.” – Secr. Lloyd Austin
because the Americans are warmongers, cheats, saboteurs, thieves, ingrates, brigands, idiots, scoundrels, envious, greedy imperialists, ambitious, fanatics, blood-thirsty calumniators, state terrorists, extortionists, hypocrites, assassins, nuclear-armed fools, and a rogue nation non-pareil from the second half of the 20th century until today.
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1576595957222735872
“The transfer of the Lyman city under the control of Ukraine is an important event, and the US is very inspired by what the AFU are doing now-US D̵e̵f̵e̵n̵s̵e̵ Offense Secretary Austin
He also added that “the US will support Ukraine regardless of the course of the conflict”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 2 2022 20:11 utc | 103
Guy L’Estrange | Oct 2 2022 17:21 utc | 22
Indeed. The Potato Eaters
https://www.vincentvangogh.org/potato-eaters.jsp
Posted by: chu teh | Oct 2 2022 19:05 utc | 67
You’re right — I had forgotten about that painting.
Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 2 2022 20:15 utc | 104
President Putin was making a literary reference to Mark Twain in his last speech when he mentioned ‘the Anglo-Saxons’.
Here an excerpt of the original https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/mark-twain-speaks-special-excerpt-from-twains-autobiography-vol-ii#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe%20are%20of%20the%20Anglo%2DSaxon%20race%2C%20and%20when,five%20military%20and%20naval%20men.
Friday, September 7, 1906
The statement made at the banquet of the Ends of the Earth Club, “We are of the Anglo-Saxon race,” etc.–Our public and private mottoes and morals–Mr. Clemens’s tribute to British Premier Campbell-Bannerman on his seventieth birthday–Meeting Labouchere–Anecdote of the lost deed which was to have been presented to Prince of Wales.
For good or for evil, we continue to educate Europe. We have held the post of instructor for more than a century and a quarter now. We were not elected to it, we merely took it. We are of the Anglo-Saxon race. At the banquet, last winter, of that organization [page 226] which calls itself the Ends of the Earth Club, the chairman, a retired regular army officer of high grade, proclaimed in a loud voice, and with fervency,
“We are of the Anglo-Saxon race, and when the Anglo-Saxon wants a thing he just takes it.”
That utterance was applauded to the echo. There were perhaps seventy-five civilians present and twenty-five military and naval men. It took those people nearly two minutes to work off their stormy admiration of that great sentiment; and meanwhile the inspired prophet who had discharged it–from his liver, or his intestines, or his esophagus, or wherever he had bred it–stood there glowing and beaming and smiling, and issuing rays of happiness from every pore–rays that were so intense that they were visible, and made him look like the old-time picture in the almanac of the man who stands discharging signs of the zodiac in every direction, and so absorbed in happiness, so steeped in happiness, that he smiles and smiles, and has plainly forgotten that he is painfully and dangerously ruptured and exposed amidships, and needs sewing up right away.
The soldier man’s great utterance, interpreted by the expression which he put into it, meant, in plain English–
“The English and the Americans are thieves, highwaymen, pirates, and we are proud to be of the combination.”
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Oct 2 2022 20:17 utc | 105
Military hardware is important, but in the end it is the soldiers, especially defenders, who make the difference, which is why the US hasn’t won a war in fifty years.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2022 20:18 utc | 106
It’s interesting that Dejan Beric complained about the lack of smart munitions on the Russian side, mentioning that only 1% of artillery fired is guided.
He also mentioned that local forces were too stubborn to withdraw and not listening to command, apparently Wagner was sent in several times to coordinate safe withdrawals.
I wonder what the Russians have in terms of guided munitions, given the lack of drones it seems like military doctrine got it wrong on this level, volume over precision.
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Oct 2 2022 20:24 utc | 107
“Russian troops victoriously retreat in all the fronts, Ukranian troops run after them in total panic” ( Russian MoD 2-oct-22)
Well so many Russian “faints”, “tactical retreats”, “luring the enemy to a trap”, all that 5D chess is astonishing me, making me dizzy. Is all this crap really still convincing someone?
For example the “expert” Saker said in the beginning of the SMO:
“One more thing I forgot to mention about the “no man’s land” west of the Donbass operational cauldron. It is shown in the map below where the black and yellow lines touch (and add about 5-10km on each side)
The Donbass operational cauldron. It’s not only that only small groups, maybe civilian cars at high speed can get out, it also means that the entire Nazi force in the Donbass is not getting resupplied. Not by air, not by sea and not by road.”
https://thesaker.is/one-week-into-the-russian-special-operation-in-the-ukraine-update/
This is a “recognized expert” by many pro-russians, and now you can see clearly that Ukrainian forces could attack in broad daylight with hundreds of APAC, IFV and tanks and many thousands soldiers and mercs ANY section of the LOC they want, in any place, and they can move freely man, armor, ammo, whatever they want unmolested by the (missing) Russian planes, and using trains thanks to Russian electricity/energy supply.
It is better to assess the hard truth and start preparing to it that continue saying nonsense and spreading wishful thinking. Ukraine is winning now, and I think Russia will need much more than 300K soldiers to achieve something more useful than a stand still, that would bleed white the RF.
In Desert Storm USA sent almost 500K soldiers to Saudi Arabia in a coalition of around 1 million, and it was 10.000 Km away from the motherland against a much weak and less armed and external supported Iraki army.
Russia needs to change quickly a lot of things, it is at war with not less that the whole NATO alliance
Posted by: Dave | Oct 2 2022 20:31 utc | 108
A couple posters have mentioned the M119 105mm howitzers being sent to Ukraine. The high number I can find for total production number was 841. So there aren’t and won’t be a lot of them. Very unlikely the Rock Island production line would ever be re-activated. And you would need a few to make up for missing 152 or 155mm guns. They work with a crew of six. To do not that much. Max range 17 kilometers. Hail Mary pass at best.
To the extent it is an artillery war RF wins hand down.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 2 2022 20:42 utc | 109
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The Swiss are burning all their paper money and their migrant workers to stay warm. They’ll be fine for a few years so don’t worry about the mysterious little country that no one ever mentions.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 2 2022 20:50 utc | 110
Ukraine telegram channel Legitimate.
https://t.me/s/legitimniy
It seems that the Russian era of ” SVO ” with the use and disposal of Soviet military equipment is a thing of the past. Now the Russians will fight on their new products.
This is a huge threat to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as high-tech BTG (Battalion Tactical Group)will come to the LBS (line of contact).
The source points out that Putin made this decision after the results of the referendum, as well as the message that NATO will not interfere in the Ukrainian crisis. When the West actually leaked Zelensky, accusing the Ukrainian President of trying to drag the world into World War III.
…………
At the moment, the APU has advanced 30 km deep, but this territory can be conditionally called “gray”, since it has not yet been possible to gain a foothold, and the entire group that is located near the Dnieper can get into the “bag” if the Russians can stop the pressure.
Bankovaya understands that the Russians are preparing a group of tens of thousands in Crimea with new uniforms and state-of-the-art equipment, which will start moving after several political steps (the ratification of the State Duma referendum and the admission of territories to the Russian Federation, as well as a possible conditional ultimatum to Ukraine).
It’s going to be a busy week. Bankovaya is trying to catch up with this window of opportunity and provoke a cascade retreat of the Russian Armed Forces.
That also matches with the new volunteer 3rd corps being fitted out with brand new T90 tanks and equipment. It looks as though Russia are assembly three major forces for the coming offensive – Crimea, Rostov and Belgorod. Russia looks to have allowed the forces still in Ukraine to become hollowed out as it prepares for the coming offensive. Mercouris in a recent video said the six months contracts for the SMO had ended in August and a lot probably had not renewed there contracts estimating the number of Russian troops in Ukraine now as low as 50,000. Rybar telegram channel also wrote something about very low troop numbers.
It will be interesting to see what if anything happens to western satellites in this offensive. Shoigu mentioned them as a problem and with US UK destroying Nord Stream some might get their optics fried. A chance to combat test the new laser systems.
That Russia hasn’t reinforced the north sufficiently to to prevent that area of the Donetsk region being taking might indicate they expect to retake it very quickly when this offensive kicks off.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 2 2022 20:52 utc | 111
@Oct 2 2022 20:31 utc
US/NATO does “the faints,” Russia does “the feints.”
Posted by: spudski | Oct 2 2022 20:59 utc | 112
William Gruff@96
My goodness, you ain’t a kiddin’
First a DDOS attack and then wave upon wave of trolls….
I think ‘b’ needs to implement a filtered Commentator solution, like Andrei over at The Saker recently did.
Imagine
MoA with no trolls!
I guess I’m just a Dreamer, but I’m not the only one.
Blessings
Slava Russia
L
Posted by: Lauren Michele | Oct 2 2022 21:00 utc | 113
@Lex says:
>The US is fickle but it’s also staked its reputation on Ukraine. Russia could apply a short burst of overwhelming force, reach the borders of the four oblasts and then sit down. What does Ukraine/US do then? How does that play to the world if Ukraine >keeps attacking? How long can the US maintain the support Ukraine needs?
This seems right to me. U.S.A. is invested in this war and stands to lose if Russia is able to play a long game and accept marginal gains (but can Putin sell that to his people as victory?). It’s not just that European economies are suffering while the continent lurches towards the political right, it’s also that U.S. leadership has committed to Ukrainian victory. It will harm our deterrent credibility if Putin survives, even if Ukraine persists as a viable political entity (minus the four oblasts).
This is part of why I’m asking who is organizing peace protests inside USA. I think the Biden administration is a Russian breakthrough away from launching an air campaign. I’m seeing articles from former Pentagon officials explaining how USA can pre-emptively destroy Russia nuclear weapons before they’re launched. I think they’re prepping the ground for a rationalization of U.S. involvement. It’s really scary how reckless Biden administration is. They’re liable to get us all killed and I don’t think the midterms are going to change that.
Posted by: GoFast | Oct 2 2022 21:02 utc | 114
Russia is currently undermanned in Ukraine and the SMO gave the Russian public time to embrace this very risky venture that they are currently engaged in. Whatever weaknesses US/NATO has it is certainly a formidable foe which will take much lives and treasure for Russia to defeat. Although it is certainly debatable whether militarily whether the operation was so limited limited, politically there is justification not to escalate too quickly. In a few days, the ball will be entirely in the Russian court. They need to defend the new regions, NS2 is an outright declaration of war by US/NATO, militarily they enlisted 300,000 more people and they redefined the operation to be able to take more aggressive action within the context of Russian law. Moreover, the west will certainly want to punish Russia for the humiliation of the referendum; so matters will certainly escalate for Russia, whether they choose to respond to it or not. At this point, we will have to wait and see what happens in the coming weeks. If there isn’t a response soon, with no reason for there not to be an escalation, the Russian critics may have a point.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 2 2022 21:05 utc | 115
The backend serverfarm was/is under some sort of DDOS attack – Some in my network says that it looks like Russian cyper attack ( known IP adresse / Packet finger printing – all that stuuf ). I know some here has connection within the Russian gov – mybee they can make it stop.
Posted by: Snowflake | Oct 2 2022 21:19 utc | 116
Peter AU1 @ 114
Good on, ya mate!
Nice to see you and as always, yer laying some truth down on the bar.
I’m sure you’ve seen that train loaded with Islanders heading to Kherson region, I believe.
And I know you haven’t forgotten about those 600+ aircraft also near Kherson for several weeks now.
It’s pretty obvious to some of us that the RGS has a plan and they have been methodically implementing it.
Putin’s a lawyer and when the 4 Oblasts are finally, legally within the Russian Federation and the Ukrainian government has been issued an Ultimatum of Immediate and Unconditional Surrender– once the time limit has expired on that offer, well, it’s gonna be Biblical.
Fire from the Sky like nothing seen since WW2.
I guess we’ll see, won’t we?
Blessings to you and all whom you cherish
Slava Russia
L
Posted by: Lauren Michele | Oct 2 2022 21:19 utc | 117
Posted by: GoFast | Oct 2 2022 21:02 utc | 117
US does not have any intra-atmosphere hypersonic weapons. They are limited to their conventional nuclear missiles from 1970s and Tomahawk missiles to “take out Russian nuclear missiles” before they can launch.
Meanwhile I don’t think Russia has capability to destroy even all US land silos, not to mention ballistic submarines. No one has ability to destroy each others nuclear missiles before destroying the world 5 times over.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2022 21:19 utc | 118
“4 videos now of Russians being eaten by animals. 2 pig videos, 1 cat video and 1 group of stray dogs in a video.”
https://t.me/s/spook_boys
Posted by: Radek Kowalczyk | Oct 2 2022 21:22 utc | 120
Hi. From the last open thread.
Unfortunately | Oct 1 2022 18:53 utc | 170
and
Arch Bungle | Oct 1 2022 15:54 utc | 102
great comments. There’s lots of motive to spread around. And that’s that’s the kind of thinking I am talking about Arch.
I agree China is low on the suspects list but this really helps them.
It makes no sense for Russia to take such irreversible action when they already were in control. You have to explain that somehow.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 2 2022 21:36 utc | 121
I finally got around to reading Putin’s speech. wow, what a tour de force. such clarity and moral courage. a part of me felt a part of mother Russia just reading the speech. indeed in this historical moment, Russia is something greater than Russia itself.
Posted by: mastameta | Oct 2 2022 21:48 utc | 122
War is a numbers game. NATO calculated and came to the conclusion that UAF had nummerical superiority after 7-8 waves of mobilisation, that they could be fending off or even make successful offensives with enough Western equipment. They must have been pretty confident in their calculation and from that point on pumped up the UAF (my guess is that only a fraction is public). Add to this excellent NATO intelligence and you get results.
From that point on (intelligence on the equipment), the RAF must have gamed as well that they needed more forces and didnt react, they kept on doing what they were doing for March to August. It must have been a political decision to do nothing, because I think the RAF knew what was needed.
My guess is that NATO in return gamed as well a Russian mobilisation of 300k-500k soldiers. I am very interested to know what those calculations show, if NATO is still confident that Ukraine can fend off or even win by simply pumping it up with NATO equipment. My guess is that NATO knows that Ukrains in return has to mobilise more forces. However, I think those male reserves still living in Ukraine are mostly depleted. NATO must know that Russia maintains escalation dominance and if the Russian govt isnt toppled due to mobilisation or heavy losses that Ukraine has no chance. What can they do beside handing over equipment to Ukraine? Maybe we will see “unoffical” Western forces (private contractors)? But even that isnt enough to gain escalation parity with Russia.
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Oct 2 2022 21:51 utc | 123
Maybe macho Russian hubris is behind the operational failure. In the American civil war, the confederates widely believed “one southerner can whip ten yankees.” Outnumbered, they went on misguided offensives which they were later punished for on the battlefield despite early successes. The confederates nearing total defeat were forced to implement conscription and then widen it until every white male ages 16-60 were subject to it.
Russia’s primary objectives – liberating the territory of the people’s republics – may not be achievable without escalation of the conflict. NATO continues to funnel arms into Ukraine, and is continuing to provide intelligence and training. Maybe Russia has a greater rearmament potential at this point, but only one actor is fighting a total war, and that’s Ukraine. Aided by US supplies, they can and will fight to the last Ukrainian. It’s their national identity at stake, not just their posture.
Are the Russian people willing to go the same lengths? The old south was demolished by the civil war, and not only by yankee barrages. The war forced the southern states to at least partially industrialize and urbanize, undermining the old southern economic base on which the planter aristocracy was premised. The development of a national military under centralized control and increasingly subjected to military rationalization saw many poor common folk trampolined into the upper crust of southern society. Is the Russian ruling class willing to let something like that happen to them via the conflict’s escalation?
And are Russian working people willing to undergo the social transformation required, and in particular for that cause?
From the get go, I’ve thought that there’s only one party in this conflict capable of bringing an end to the war at any time, and that’s the Russian working class. General strikes (the real deal, like the Wobblies tried) would bring the war machine to its knees. So would armed resistance to conscription. Although anarchist-communists in Russia are fighting and their actions are underpublicized, there is yet no organic connection between Russian workers as a class and any revolutionary organizations in the country. But war situations are volatile, as previous revolutions can demonstrate.
Posted by: fnord | Oct 2 2022 21:53 utc | 124
@ Aslangeo | Oct 2 2022 19:44 utc | 87
The major offensive started over three weeks ago. … It consisted of significant Ukrainian / NATO forces and a decidedly numerical advantage for them.
Given this, there is no excuse to dilly-dally in sending significant reinforcements to at least equal the count.
In fact, the RF could have counter-attacked and routed them. … It’s time to stop horsing around and pound them hard.
Posted by: Mummer | Oct 2 2022 22:03 utc | 125
“The English and the Americans are thieves, highwaymen, pirates, and we are proud to be of the combination.”
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Oct 2 2022 20:17 utc | 108
Thanks what a great reference
Posted by: k | Oct 2 2022 22:06 utc | 126
Unless b comes and tells us he intentionally pegged the comment from Steve at the bottom of the comment section for this thread I am going to assume that the hit that typepad took in the past 24+ hours took its toll in more than just making MoA unavailable….
Another part of our civilization war
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2022 22:09 utc | 127
Russian Agents in Munich, Octoberfest
https://t.me/dimsmirnov175/38349
Posted by: M. | Oct 2 2022 22:10 utc | 128
Re: MoA Sep 28 “Whodunnit…Nord Stream sabotage”
For evidence of US Navy P-8 Poseidon ASW aircraft circling right over the explosion area at the time of the event, please see link below. This complements the BALTOPS 22/ USS Kearsage info in the referenced posting and answers the whodunnit question for me.
Monkey Werx SITREP 9.30.22 starting at 10:30 min
https://youtu.be/Jfpw9I01J0o
Posted by: bill994 | Oct 2 2022 22:10 utc | 129
At the rate of escalation experienced in September 2022, there will not be too many more months before the Russian Bear nukes the USA.
Posted by: young | Oct 2 2022 22:11 utc | 130
@ Oct 2 2022 22:06 utc | 129
“The bastards hung me in the spring of ’25” … Willie Nelson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFkcAH-m9W0
Posted by: Mummer | Oct 2 2022 22:11 utc | 131
Moa was down for several hours. I believe it was the hosting server that had some issues. About the SMO, a change of strategy is urgently called for. While Kremlin is playing nice and going legalistic, the brutes they are fighting are wrecking damages all over. The liberated regions continued to be incessantly shelled with impunity, and territories are being taken back. Even if in the long run the Russian Army takes those territories back, the NATO criminals would have done irreparable damages in those territories. Kadrov has knocked the bottom out of the show, an incompetent commander should be replaced forthwith.
Posted by: Steve | Oct 2 2022 22:11 utc | 132
Can anyone give me the date and a link to the video of the use by Kiev govt of armoured personnel carriers against a workers march in Mariupol in 2014? Need it to counter ignorant people on Twitter.
Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Oct 2 2022 22:14 utc | 133
That was one hell of a tank massacre inflicted upon UAF in the Kherson region today. Can’t for the life of me understand that grouping and then just sitting there after the 1st tank is destroyed. Must have been at least 20 tanks and armoured vehicles.
I can see what the problem is, ploughing through fields but why congregate like you’re playing the children’s game of pass the parcel.
Posted by: WTFUD | Oct 2 2022 22:28 utc | 134
Paul Cockshott | Oct 2 2022 22:14 utc | 136
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wYhdqfwU4G7G/
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 2 2022 22:30 utc | 135
Peter, Lauren, Arne,
That is about how I see it. RF has been preparing something big, the little stuff has been neglected. Putin’s speech was about changing the world. He meant it. Some minutiae has gone unattended. We should see within a week. If nothing happens by Wednesday just wait for Friday.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 2 2022 22:33 utc | 136
Oblomovka daydream | Oct 2 2022 20:17 utc | 108
re: “We are of the Anglo-Saxon race, and when the Anglo-Saxon wants a thing he just takes it.”
re: “The English and the Americans are thieves, highwaymen, pirates, and we are proud to be of the combination.”
Thanks for that link. Mark Twain takes my breath away. Reccomend all to read your source link.
Posted by: chu teh | Oct 2 2022 22:39 utc | 137
Lauren Michele | Oct 2 2022 21:19 utc | 120
Yes I had read about the planes and seen the video train moving missile forces. Although Russian forces will have the handicap of fighting in a hostage situation I think people in the west, especially those who believe the propaganda will get a shock. This will be the first time the modernized Russian army will be fighting the way it has trained and prepared for. I would not like to be the Ukraine forces in what is now Russian territory.
How far the offensive is expected to carry I have no idea but I assume it is intended to destroy all Ukraine forces in and attacking the new Russian territories. Missile forces will most likely have a greatly expanded target list in Ukraine’s back areas. Once this kicks off DPR and LPR fighters will hopefully get a well earned break from the frontlines.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 2 2022 22:46 utc | 138
The loss of Kherson would be huge for Russia., but there’s not much available to stop Russia’s defense lines from crumbling. Reinforcements are not available. The Russian forces in Kherson are on a sort of island, with Ukraine forces to the north and a wide river to the south. With all Dnipro bridges blown Russia has fallen back to using pontoon boats (barges) for resupply. They make nice targets.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2022 20:04 utc | 101
Kherson is perfect killing country for the RuAF, it is open and the UA are not in defensive positions. Around 10k where killed or wounded at the start of September, the same can happen again.
As to reinforcements, if the Russians felt the need they could repeat Kazakhstan, 5000 paras in a few hours as there are plenty of places to land their aircraft and helicopters.
I have not seen any reports on the state of the bridges over the past couple of weeks, its gone quiet, have you?
The area the UA is most successful currently seems to be within range of Russian artillery weapons on the east side of the Dnieper.
Given Putin’s legalistic approach we may not see much happen until the final documents are agreed by the Duma on Tuesday.
By the way, at around 01.15 there was a large volley of missiles that left Crimea for destinations unknown but which may well by now be smoking ruins. Some of the Iskanders mentioned up thread perhaps.
Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 2 2022 22:46 utc | 139
I am going to assume that the hit that typepad took in the past 24+ hours took its toll in more than just making MoA unavailable….
Another part of our civilization war
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2022 22:09 utc | 130
LOL… yes, the “civilizational war” that just demonstrated that it is time to update to a blogging platform that is still supported.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 2 2022 22:48 utc | 140
So the LNG ships are absolutely unthinkable unsinkable?
We will see.
Blinken is mad as a dog.
Posted by: g wiltek | Oct 2 2022 22:51 utc | 141
“The English and the Americans are thieves, highwaymen, pirates, and we are proud to be of the combination.”
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Oct 2 2022 20:17 utc | 108
While this is, undoubtedly, true, it’s also true of every other race of men who ever lived. They were just historically less successful at it.
Except Russia. Have you ever seen Russia on a map? It’s friggin huge. I assume Russia acquired and then maintained control over that breathtakingly large swathe of planet Earth using entirely peaceful and honest means though.
That is about how I see it. RF has been preparing something big, the little stuff has been neglected. Putin’s speech was about changing the world. He meant it. Some minutiae has gone unattended. We should see within a week. If nothing happens by Wednesday just wait for Friday.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 2 2022 22:33 utc | 139
I think at this point in the conflict it’s pointless to place too much importance on what’s happening on the battlefield (though it is important, very little that could affect the ultimate outcome can happen right now).
The war is entering a period of massive expansion, I assume on both sides. We’ll have to wait and see how it develops as more Russian forces arrive in the Ukraine.
Posted by: ZX | Oct 2 2022 22:53 utc | 142
For evidence of US Navy P-8 Poseidon ASW aircraft circling right over the explosion area at the time of the event, please see link below. This complements the BALTOPS 22/ USS Kearsage info in the referenced posting and answers the whodunnit question for me.
Posted by: bill994 | Oct 2 2022 22:10 utc | 132
Yes, this type of project is exactly what Navy Seals are trained for. What is odd is that while they were so keen to take credit for what they didn’t do (kill bin Laden in Abbottabad) they have not stepped forward to take credit for this operation.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 2 2022 22:54 utc | 143
“From the get go, I’ve thought that there’s only one party in this conflict capable of bringing an end to the war at any time, and that’s the Russian working class. General strikes (the real deal, like the Wobblies tried) would bring the war machine to its knees. So would armed resistance to conscription.”
Why would you die fighting the people who are at least ostensibly saving you from globohomo? Granted Russia seems like a horrible place to live, does anyone trust they are going to have any rights at all in the future if they end up under the control of the West? The West says that people who oppose mass immigration of foreign people into their country are domestic terrorists. Why would Russian people die fighting for the goal of eventually being turned into second-class citizens in their own countries like what has happened to Americans and Europeans? OK, we read all these articles from sophisticated intellectuals about how Russia is so horrible, sure, but why not address the obvious?! Why would anyone make any effort to choose the alternative choice which is living under control of the West and eventually just being turned into a Palestinian? Do Russian people want to be removed from every single TV show and ad and replaced by Africans? To be made invisible in their own home by some foreign entity? To die fighting for the goal that their children can be surgically castrated in the name of narcissism and social media points? Why would Russians want die fighting so that eventually their ancestors can exist purely to satisfy the sadism of the people who control them and torture them every day? Can you really not think of any better way to derail the discussion than to post such stupidity? By the way, I’m not going to read your response; these questions were rhetorical and I wrote this for the other people here.
Posted by: ANSWO | Oct 2 2022 22:54 utc | 144
It seems even Austro-Hungarian Monarchy was more successful against small Serbia. However, the monarchy also lost its statehood as a result its aggression eventually in 1918. OK, that Empire had no A-bombs, I know.
Posted by: Josef Schweik | Oct 2 2022 22:58 utc | 145
S @ 55
At the tactical (company) level, command is impossible—there are no comms. A company commander, when making a decision, finds himself in a vacuum.
The Ukrs are listening to and jamming Baofengs. I repeat, there are NO closed comms at the tactical level. The mobilized, “mobiks”, as they are called, at best have several 50-years-old R-159s without “Istorik”…
OK, even when I was in the military we had wire men and field phones. Wire on reels and phones one each end. Un-jammable and widely used.
You have military grade HF radios as well the the VHF radios of which the cheap Baofens are widely available. They offer a cheap sort of scrambling which is nothing more than a shift of modulation.
I can see them relying on cheap Chinese VHF radios but these things have a bunch of frequencies from VHF to UHF. It is far too many frequencies to jam at once. Units would be planning times and various frequencies to check in on.
Generally the HF radio is for coms back to HQ. Signals are scrambled. Frequencies are planned and changed when jamming occurs. You also have high frequency panel antennas set up on relay stations which cannot be jammed an shoot back to HQ. You also have satellite phones. Those are fairly cheap as well. Is this guy saying Russia has no Satcom communications? That is highly unlikely.
I have been on transmitter hunts, using directional antennas such as a loop and a yagi to find a transmitter. A jammer can be found and taken out. Small as they may be they can be located.
I do not believe that they have no comms. This stuff is ubiquitous and an to important a layer of military command to neglect.
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 2 2022 22:58 utc | 146
@Posted by: flaunting | Oct
The English are at it again putting Jews as patsie – the world will be a better place once the world has done what must be done for a better world – get rid of the English pirates once and for all. Wherever is there any destabilisation, destruction or war on other nations, there is bound to be dirty hands of dirty English men and women. They have in every respect forfeited the right to be part of mankind!
Gulf war plotted by witch thatcher, first Iraq war by criminal tony blair- this Syrian war again by english rats which borne their ugly child ISIS.
Tony Blair, who, when occupied Iraq, claimed that “we will become the British Empire again,” meaning that he will occupy the rest of the world too!
Only when wars become unpopular the english stop taking credit for that and let blame be placed on Jews.
and stupid people including hitler blamed jews while it was all along the english parasites who loot.
Cold war against Russia was started for the same reason as cold war against Germany has started. TO keep britain in picture as it gives them a sense of false position, to harass other country and wreck others’ economy.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 2 2022 23:00 utc | 147
1999.
how england has used jews for the benefit of english race only and for deliberatily creating disruption in Europe.
England had threatened israel in 1948 during israeli war of indepdence that england would use atom bomb agaisnt israel unless israel stop ddrowning royal air foarce palnes and pilots who were helping Jordan against israel.
the same england was in upsroar in july 1981 when isrea;l attakced iraq’s nuclear reactor-just check out theier papers of the time
the same ngland was leading charge agasint isreal in june 82 when isreal attacked palestinain terrorists inside lebanon-that was at t time when england was in illegal occupation for malvinas island.
that is short glimpse of how much england and anglosaxon race care about jews and israel.
look at editorails of the times, the newsweek during those crucial perios of june 82 and see how they(the TImes, the gaurdian, BBC, ITV) were suggesting that israel or atleast tel aviv should be bombed.-just chek the british papers and bbc clips from april 82 to august 82.Also check those british bastrds joutrnlism hist in the month of summer 1981 when iraqi nuclear planty was bombed by the isralis and the british were the first-along with iraq -to protest agasint the israeli action.
It is very interesting that the same type of english people(who are anti-communists, anti-blacks, anti-muslims, anti-catolics)started the same sort of propaganda(like used against russians and communists) against The Germans.the Frenchs and Europeans in general. First England did not want germany united(though during cold war it suggested that only Russians are against it). soon after German reunification and even before disintegration of Soviet union ,England changed the lie-tactics(through media and government) against Europe. There is one more thing. nato was supposed to counter warsaw pact, with the latter gone there was no discussion as to nato should be wound uop or not. Europe does not need nato. Europe can have and should have her own defence system as is the Germo-Franco_Italian_Spanish collaboration. that European defence pact must be stengthened rather than germany supporting nato. Actually england needs nato to prop up its nasty influence in military matters. With the help of usa and nato has england been able to prop up her influence. In fact england is ant-Europe and through nato it wants to keep a tab on european affairs and not let Europe get strong on her own. As england can not do this own her own it has let America involved in it(during empire days england hardly shared power
Posted by: Sam | Oct 2 2022 23:03 utc | 148
Putin should launch nukes at the Ukrainan formations or step down.
Lieutenant general kadyrov has called for martial law and nuclear strikes.
That’s after a the third collapse of russia in a month, and now Ukraine is now on the march in kherson.
Posted by: Jellyfish | Oct 2 2022 23:04 utc | 149
@Jellyfish #152, it’s grimly funny to think that if Russia uses a battlefield nuke in Ukraine, half the people here will cheer and the other half will denounce it as a false flag
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 2 2022 23:09 utc | 150
circumspect | Oct 2 2022 22:58 utc | 149
Any jammers these days would I think be using scanners continuously flipping through the frequencies at high speed. LPR militia are kitted out by LPR and there has long been an equipment issue there. I have found that often no distinction is made between LPR and Russian forces in posts on those issues.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 2 2022 23:17 utc | 151
S @ a half-dozen comments–
Thanks much for those. Makes me wonder about Russian psyops ability, for that’s what they seem like.
Yes, it’s difficult moving from the marcoscope to the microscope in our struggle, but that’s the test for non-trolls. As with the onset to the beginning of the SMO, much had to be properly arranged legalistically under both Russian and International Law, and allies needed to be consulted before the first stroke was taken on 24 February. Again, a similar set of arrangements needed to be performed, but the issue is now much bigger than before. Prior to Samarkand and the UNGA, Russia’s Security Council had to make a decision. Crooke put it this way:
“It is a gamble. The force of logic here is clear: The conflict then would either have to cease, as Russia commits to defending those annexed territories as ‘Mother Russia’ — a game-changing shift that implies irresistible force mounted against Kiev, were it to further assault these territories. Or alternatively, the West must escalate further.”
Something like that in a nutshell was the message Putin provided to Xi and other highly trusted confidants at Samarkand. Lavrov was tasked with setting the table at the UNSC, UNGA, and in his interview with Newsweek. Then back in Moscow, there was the very important meeting Putin, Lavrov and team had with the security chiefs of CIS nations about drawing the defenses closer to prevent the coming attempts at Color Revolutions and governmental fence sitting, the latter likely deemed treasonous, for that’s where the strength of the Outlaw US Empire lies–in its hybrid war abilities, not overt combat, where it’s weak. And of course, there’re lots of communications we can only guess at. But there’s one point I tried to get across when Putin addressed the Security Council, and that was too many “irregularities” were occurring with the mobilization, and also quite probably in other unnamed areas. I’ll be first to admit none of us looked at manpower issues such as contracts elapsing; instead, we looked at overall force numbers and saw them as satisfactory.
Crooke opines it’s up to Biden to escalate. But IMO, Congress has already made that decision for him with its continual escalations of all forms of aid that ensure the Outlaw US Empire is a party to the conflict regardless what Biden would like. And Congress’s decision was anticipated by Putin and team, thus the need for another round of arrangements.
There’s another important factor in the Macro Crooke writes about few have integrated into the picture, and that’s the struggle within the Outlaw US Empire. In an effort to illustrate what’s happening within the Empire, Crooke links to this leftist essay I see as shaky but having a few important points. The conclusion Crooke draws from that and related material:
So here is the rub: The Biden Administration still exhibits decidedly hawkish attitudes in respect to toppling Putin; to defending Taiwan; and containing Iran, in order to save ‘our democracy’. And he now uses this existential framing to attack his American political opponents at home, and to coerce American support for his agenda: “A battle for the soul” of the United States and the “challenge of our time” (autocracies).
But by linking them, were he to walk back one, he would undermine the other. Can Biden afford to see the Ukraine war end on terms favourable to President Putin, without it also being perceived as undermining his war on Trumpist ‘authoritarianism’ too? Is Biden trapped by his own ‘clever’ language game, one that was predicated on the expectation of Putin losing in Ukraine? Yet, dare he risk nuclear escalation to maintain the ideological equivalence?
But isn’t Putin’s vow just as critical for Putin politically given the risk despite the fact that Russia’s defenses can mostly defeat an ICBM attack by the Empire while leveling it in response? It’s that latter point that informs me the Empire will use all its assets to destabilize Russia’s Near Abroad and all of Eurasia. Remember, the Outlaw US Empire no longer has any militarily valuable European allies as it essentially killed NATO when it blew up the gas pipelines, although it retains cannon fodder with the Baltics and Poland once Ukraine is used up.
With regard to Ukraine’s “success” at Liman, one objective quantifiable measure is casualties.
What losses have been suffered by those opposed to Ukraine military. How many civilians have been killed. Why were/are civilians still there?
Posted by: tucenz | Oct 2 2022 23:56 utc | 153
Wherever the Chinese and Russians go they build and create.
Wherever the Brits and Americans go they destroy and steal.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 3 2022 0:08 utc | 154
“The situation in the Kherson direction is very difficult. The enemy is trying to break into Berislav near Nova Kakhovka”
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576665886978879488?s=21
The level of hopium on this blog is breathtaking. Putin gonna get the gloves off?? He already shot his wad and is now scrambling while his military is in disarray on the battlefield. The Ukrainian military is demonstrating superior operational design on multiple fronts.
The capture of #Lyman by the Ukrainian Army again brings into stark relief the differences between the Ukrainians and the Russian invaders: the Ukrainians fight with purpose, have better leadership and a have learning culture that underpins adaptation.
First, what we are seeing is an excellent Ukrainian operational design playing out across the south and east of the country. While geographically separate, they are campaigns that are part of an integrated design, and part of an overall military #strategy. Second, the two campaigns are mutually supporting. The south is the most decisive region because of its economic contribution to Ukraine’s economy. The Russians know this and it is here they have deployed their most capable units. But the east is also important. It is a region proximate to Russia, and therefore gains here has a significant psychological effect on the Russians. And, the north east is a key logistic route for supporting operations in the Donbas.
https://twitter.com/warinthefuture/status/1576689914477150208?s=21
Putin’s military is getting routed on the battlefield. His annexation will do didly squat as the Ukrainian military control the situation on the ground.
Posted by: Peter Besscom | Oct 3 2022 0:14 utc | 155
Posted by: tucenz | Oct 2 2022 23:56 utc | 156
With regard to Ukraine’s “success” at Liman, one objective quantifiable measure is casualties.
One thing I haven’t been able to understand that the agony aunties (Yenwoda and his troll friends) have been screaming about for days on this forum, is why an objective and quantifiable (and indeed meaningful) metric like casualties is of no importance while holding on to rural backwaters is so important that their loss would herald the collapse of the Russian federation.
It’s like these people are stuck in the 18th century, where taking and holding ground was the only meaningful metric of military victory.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 3 2022 0:18 utc | 156
STOP PANICKING PEEPS!
Look, calm down. Theres a major realignment of the forces happening presently. This, inevitably, has an impact on the frontline positions.
Meanwhile, kiev is making the best of it in PR terms. But kiev also knows the tables will turn once the new realignment of forces settles down.
By christmas the whole of Kherson, Zaporozhe, Donetsk and Luhansk will be rid of the invaders.
Sun Tzu….Art of War
“He will win who knows when to fight and not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both inferior and superior forces”.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 3 2022 0:18 utc | 157
The level of hopium on this blog is breathtaking. Putin gonna get the gloves off?? He already shot his wad and is now scrambling while his military is in disarray on the battlefield.
Posted by: Peter Besscom | Oct 3 2022 0:14 utc | 158
Yes, it’s depressing to watch. I will believe that Putin is gonna go “gloves off” when he actually does it. But what’s happened so far? Nothing.
Why is Ukraine’s power grid still operational?
Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 3 2022 0:21 utc | 158
@S,
Do not you think that all those bloggers are doing the bid of NATO, by supporting their narrative on “Russia is sorely losing in Ukraine”?
Right now, at the “turcopolier” blog, they do not use anymore the delusional sitreps by the ISW, no need, apart from Girkin´s valuable help, they are now using Rybar too as a reliable “Russian” source to confirm their claims…
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 3 2022 0:28 utc | 160
“He will win who knows when to fight and not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both inferior and superior forces”.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 3 2022 0:18 utc | 160
Evidently Putin thinks its never a time to fight. It has become fairly evident that Russian authorities mishandled the situation between NATO and Russia by starting the SMO without a really well defined end game. The goal from the beginning should have been liberation of all Russian speaking people in “The Ukraine” from NAZI control. I think Putin went into this with the idea that he would win some major victories and then negotiate an end to the situation, but – of course – Washington had a different plan, which is now unfolding with Ukrainian advances in both the east and the south.
The only way for Russia to win now is to fight a total war in Ukraine, i.e., to stop this strange SMO limited operation nonsense and really destroy the Ukrainian state.
Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 3 2022 0:28 utc | 161
I wish these MOA trolls would type in: “Fight for Ukraine” and submit their applications. They can get out of their mom’s basement and show the world what it really means to really be a man.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 3 2022 0:36 utc | 162
karlof1 | Oct 2 2022 23:38 utc | 155 “for that’s where the strength of the Outlaw US Empire lies–in its hybrid war abilities, not overt combat, where it’s weak.”
That is what I have been seeing and US is very good at it. Kadyrov, who is out of the Putin Shoigu Gerasimov loop is a major weak point when it comes to western pysops. The comming Russian offensive will I think be like broom sweeping all that out the door and leaving no openings for western pysops in Russia.
The Turkic countries Kazakhstan et al I think are a potential hot spot. Islamic extremism extreme Turkic nationalism, they look to Turkey and Erdogan as the leader of the Turkic peoples.
Mien Kempf was a best seller in Turkey in I think 2005. Erdogan believes Crimea and the shores of the Black and Azov seas are Turkic land. A big opening for the US there. Russia will have its work cut out for it in the larger hybrid war.
There’s a movie based on a true story. An ex US special forces get a job as bodyguard for the young daughter of a Mexican rich man. He gains an attachment to the child. She gets kidnapped and organized crime types start dying. The Mexican investigator asks the bodyguard’s friend what sort of person he is. The reply – Casey’s business is killing. He is about to paint his masterpiece.
In studying Putin for so long, I suspect he is about to paint his masterpiece.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 0:42 utc | 163
They can get out of their mom’s basement and show the world what it really means to really be a man.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 3 2022 0:36 utc | 165
When are you gonna get out of your mom’s basement to fight for Putin and his losing military?
Posted by: Peter Besscom | Oct 3 2022 0:43 utc | 164
@ Turk 152 Oct 3 2022 0:36 utc 165
Oh no, don’t expect a well-prepared body of eligible people eagerly awaiting their time to shine. Western militaries are having a hard time attracting decent people without dangling obscene carrots like education benefits and money. They’re probably better off just hiring private militaries with experience than trying to whip shapeless minds and bodies into shape. Doubt they’ll stick around to the last stand anywhere. Might be useful for influencers to coerce their feeble messes though: flash some breasts, promise some at the end, go now! Limited time offer.
Posted by: Guest Read | Oct 3 2022 0:45 utc | 165
Well, the pipe is busted, and due to corrosion (some say) it will stay that way. Apparently the US intends to supply natgas to Germany shipped in giant Liquefied Nat Gas (LNG) ships. However, Rus could offer to construct a number of LNG barges and push them on the Baltic to the German town of Lubmin, which is the receiving point of Nordstream pipeline. It’s small port could accommodate relatively shallow draft barges. The existing origin of Nordstream 2 is Vyborg in the Gulf of Finland. These ports are roughly 650 nautical miles apart. The Gulf is not ice-free in winter, but Rus does have some first class icebreakers so this route could be OK in winter. Thus, if Rus so desired it could directly compete with the large LNG tankers from the US. Competition, baby…everyone must sharpen their pencils!
Posted by: anonymous | Oct 3 2022 0:49 utc | 166
Excuse me. Am.i missing something?
If you voted for Brexit because you think the EU is bonkers, does that mean th
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 3 2022 0:51 utc | 167
@167 Peter Besscom
Winning UAF? What/Which parameters have you measured to arrive at this conclusion?
Mission Accomplished! lol
Posted by: WTFUD | Oct 3 2022 0:52 utc | 168
@Arch Bungle #159,
an objective and quantifiable (and indeed meaningful) metric like casualties
Three things. First, it’s a war over territory so very strange to dismiss changes in territory as meaningless to the outcome.
Second, some territory is more important than others. Lyman shortens Ukraine’s lines and allows it to cut the GLOC between Kreminna and Svatove and attack Kreminna which provides a pivot toward Lysychansk and Severodonetsk. There’s a reason why Girkin is insistent that Kreminna must be held. All of those locations are strong points and supply hubs and breaking a line of defense additionally forces the enemy to spend time & resources emplacing new defenses further in their rear.
Third, casualties aren’t quantifiable – if ever – until after the war ends. There is no reliable reporting from either side on their own casualties, and their estimates of enemy casualties are some mix of exaggerated reports from local commanders, best-case assumptions about the efficacy of fire missions and missile strikes, and made-up propaganda. Your beloved “Clobber List” is a fantasy, like your fantasy about Russia having air superiority. You didn’t seem to think Lyman was a meaningless scrap of land when you boasted that the strategic bombers were coming with FAB-500s to break the siege in 2 days, max.
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 3 2022 0:52 utc | 169
.. does that mean that you voted for Tory boners version of Brexit two years later?
If you participate in a vote on cessation from a bonkers USUKIS – controlled EU, do you have to be ethically or linguistically Russian as Craig Murray is saying?
People will vote for who they like, but in democracy they rarely get what they want from casting their vote.
The Brexit rejection of USUKISEU was a gut feeling by a freedom-loving nation, and well anticipating current Usukiseu fascism.
The recent rejection of Kiev Usukiseu murderous control might end up being a disaster, but only in the twisted minds of Atlantacist EU fantasist can it be considered a vote for Armaggedon.
The fucking Yanks have to change their criminal ways , not impose their fascist will on anybody who disagrees with their crimes. After Armageddon I look forward to being counted amongst those who took action against criminal tyrants.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 3 2022 1:07 utc | 171
It’s like these people are stuck in the 18th century, where taking and holding ground was the only meaningful metric of military victory.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 3 2022 0:18 utc | 159
………………………………………………………………..
Almost as if they are stuck in an adolescent mindset, the one in which they played games like Risk (and were sore losers)? 😉 lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2BwaYiPByg
Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 3 2022 1:13 utc | 172
The Russian’s are using mostly Ukrainian troops and mercs, they used 150 000 troops to grab 20% of Ukrainian land and fighting force then pulled out most of their own troops.
They grabbed a massive base/stockpile of rockets and mortars east of Kharkiv that allowed them to use old gear for months without having to worry about deminished stockpiles
They are the small proxy bleeding Nato, how they flipped the script and kept it going this long is embarrassing to Nato not Russia.
Nato was so horny to blow up expensive Russian gear with javelin’s they wasted 100 000 men who did nothing but catch bombs in trenches.
Russia is fighting for survival against the west it is not trying to control all of Ukraine
Who knows what happens next but if all those videos of Russian gear on the move are real the fighting is going to seriously ramp up.
Posted by: OhhCanada | Oct 3 2022 1:15 utc | 173
It is time for LNG tankers to start exploding and sinking.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Oct 3 2022 1:23 utc | 174
fyi
ex-general David P. beating his chest….. while, like a good neo-con, trying to bring us closer and closer, millimeter by millimeter, to some kind of nuclear war
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1576699017819746304
David Petraeus “the US and its allies would destroy Russia’s troops and equipment in Ukraine if the Russian president uses nuclear weapons in the country”
He lost the war in Afganistan without Russia helping the Talibans like they do to Ukraine🤣✌️
Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 3 2022 1:24 utc | 175
Sry folks, but I’m also one of the doubters who remain sceptical about Russia’s military aims and performance in Ukraine. The reason why I queried a long-range campaign before February 24 was based on the small number of troops concentrated and the unwillingness to use the right amount of firepower. The Kremlin always keeps an eye on the West and too often shies away, therefore fighting with one and a half hand tied behind the back. An additional 300 000 men would have been helpful right from the beginning. Now, anything below a real total war campaign seems me to be unfitting. Well, I hope to be wrong again and guys like Will Schryver or Big Serge nail it with their recent prognoses.
@ anonymous
As mentioned in the other thread, the Nord Streams may not be irreversibly destroyed. North Stream 2 pipe A was unaffected and is still operational. Concerning the others, Berliner Zeitung, a German daily, quoted a Nord Stream 2 professional who claimed them “certainly repairable”. He pointed out that the operator would be equipped with the necessary tools to deal with leaks and even structural damage. The decision to repair or open the tubes therefore would not be a technical or economical one, but purely political. Source (in German): https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/wirtschaft-verantwortung/fuer-immer-zerstoert-betreiber-beruhigt-nord-stream-leitungen-grundsaetzlich-reparabel-li.271943
Also, Russian deputy prime minister Novak was quoted today saying “There are technical possibilities to restore the infrastructure, it requires time and appropriate funds.”
Source: https://twitter.com/BhadraPunchline/status/1576633610165448704?cxt=HHwWgMDTrcj6qeErAAAA
Posted by: Seneschal | Oct 3 2022 1:24 utc | 176
Like others it felt like withdrawal symptoms, even the trolls would have been welcome reading although with “polarized” glasses…heh heh.
The RF tested a previous satellite kill with a missile several years before lasers that could blind and electrocute satellites were developed. We may see an S-500 or laser kill some US spy satellites after Tuesday.
Posted by: Arcticman | Oct 3 2022 1:32 utc | 177
@ Ya Woden 174
It’s not a war over territory. How can you protect those who share your values against Nazism without securing territory?
The loss or gain of territory does not affect your principles and values. Does anybody think playground talk:’ We’ve got Lyman because Woden is on our side?’
You are just Widening your backside for easy kicking by the Russian Federation
defenders of international law.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 3 2022 1:34 utc | 178
They can get out of their mom’s basement and show the world what it really means to really be a man.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 3 2022 0:36 utc | 165
When are you gonna get out of your mom’s basement to fight for Putin and his losing military?
Posted by: Peter Besscom | Oct 3 2022 0:43 utc | 167
Well, Peter, I don’t know if you realized it but Putin’s losing military only mobilises people with military experience – with military experience in the Russian army, no less. He is prejudiced against basement dwellers, I am afraid. Ukrainian military, on the other hand, takes anyone willing to join, no matter what country their basement is located in. Don’t worry, they won’t check if you are a man, a woman, or whatever.
I suggest you write your will, though, and clarify what is to happen with your corpse in case you get blown to pieces. Ukraine may be winning, but by all accounts it looks like they are going for Pyrrhic victories. It’s really pitiful to see a family begging for donations to send the remains of their dead mercenary home. Spare them that. Get buried in a Ukrainian mass grave.
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If I remember correctly, the Zelensky regime has extended the draft to women, too, starting October 1st – something about equal rights, as required by the EU. I never heard about compulsory military service for women in EU, but I don’t think the Ukrainian regime is open to discussing that question. They’ve also started drafting students which so far were exempt from getting drafted. And they now tell the remaining population in Izyum to leave the town as they can’t and won’t provide for civilians living in that town in the coming winter, turning the remaining people in the “liberated” towns into refugees. That definitely sounds like the Kiev regime is on top of things.
Posted by: Martina | Oct 3 2022 1:40 utc | 179
OhhCanada | Oct 3 2022 1:15 utc | 176
Yep. Russia would have had those same huge stockpiles of ammunition. Unlimited practice for the artillery boys. Scot Ritter interviewed Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev a few days back. He was commander of Russian forces in Syria and for a time commanded the SMO. Now retired and an MP. Ritter asked him how far would Russian forces go. He replied all the way to the polish border. Ritter then asked about demilitarization of Ukraine – did that mean stopping NATO weapons to Ukraine. He said no, destruction of Ukraine military force.
Apart from Mariupol, there has been no encirclement where Ukraine forces would be compelled to surrender. I have long suspected Russia would prefer to kill them in battle than take them prisoner. As an MP Mizintsev can say whatever he wants and it may have nothing to do with official Russian policy and plans But when it comes to those who fight against the Russian peoples and Russia I suspect he is correct.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 1:40 utc | 180
There’s a movie based on a true story…
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 0:42 utc | 166
The plot you describe fits Man on Fire starring Denzel Washington.
Posted by: David Levin | Oct 3 2022 1:46 utc | 182
I heard that the ukraine lost a shit load of tanks in kerson today in another failed attack. Its a turkey shoot guys!
Posted by: Dan ‘Iron’ Rockson | Oct 3 2022 1:48 utc | 183
The US Army has also had trouble conscripting recruits, falling below standards in quantity and quality. Here are some recent recruits.
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Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 3 2022 1:48 utc | 184
To:Dan Rockson above
I saw same on military summery video
Posted by: Ger422 | Oct 3 2022 1:52 utc | 185
The U.S. Army, like the rest of the U.S. military, no longer conscripts. What they have had trouble doing is enlist recruits.
Posted by: Lysias | Oct 3 2022 1:53 utc | 186
Don Bacon @187
Damn, those are some “exceptional” recruits! I wonder if the Army has to pay more for the extra chromosomes that they have?
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 3 2022 1:54 utc | 187
re it is at war with not less that the whole NATO alliance
Posted by: Dave | Oct 2 2022 20:31 utc | 111
Is Russia at war with Turkey? With Hungary? With the Czech Republic, or Greece? With Iceland, North Macedonia, Italy, Portugal or Slovenia? No, I do not think it is at war with these nations or their people.
But time could change the current situation for good or ill.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 3 2022 1:56 utc | 188
@ 187 Don Bacon
Maybe the tougher ones are at the rear. No there’s a 4’8″ bespectacled dwarf who looks pretty mean.
Posted by: WTFUD | Oct 3 2022 1:57 utc | 189
@ Seneschal 179
A good example of de-valuing property in order for others to buy it cheap was done by Liz de Tird and Quasi Kwateng last week.
Once their sponsors have acquired loads of good property in cheap pounds, they will crank the pound back.up again.
Similarly German Industry and European property. The pipe is repairable, but the politics is not repairable because President Putin has declared war on this type of banking colonial war.
So long as Thatcherite privatisation of public and publicly owned companies’ assets is being manipulated by bankers in favour of bankers, Russia implacably opposes repairing the politics of the pipeline with these banksters
Whatever makes banking work, whether it be undersea fubre optic cables or satellites, will now be targeted by Russia. Not because banking is in itself bad, but because USUKIS is using their political power to help banks steal property.
It is not a coincidence that USUK need IS as a crime partner. We’ve been here before.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 3 2022 2:00 utc | 190
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 3 2022 0:42 utc | 166
Erdogan correctly saw that the US would try to drag him into a war with Russia, so adroitly positioned Turkey as peacemaker before the US was able to corner him. I’m not an Erdogan fan but thought that was a very savvy move which indicates that he understands perfectly how this game is played.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 3 2022 2:21 utc | 191
@Inkan1969 what’s the problem with talking about jewish power??? even talking about unfounded jewish power is some kind of bother to you???
the poster did not say one anti-semitic word, not one, but like clockwork you pop up your whinny head to complain….and in such a passive aggressive way too? isnt your tiny rotted black heart in it??
get lost and go play in hasbara taffic
Posted by: ron | Oct 3 2022 2:22 utc | 192
SG | Oct 2 2022 17:19 utc | 20
+ @flaunting
“…… Russians With Attitude are an amateurish fanboy group, their analyses are mostly worthless.
They agree… repeatedly.
Their twitter existed long before the SMO.
They are as surprised as anyone that they now have 200k following (the measure of success in social media).
They are young (early 20s. Know little. And are not fans of Putin).
But they are Russians…. With “attitude”, and their twitter has only been temporarily nuked…… so they keep posting.
It’s a testament to the desperation of all (US intel + armchair geriatric geopolitical junkies like us barflies), that a twitter run by 3 young nobodies who just happen to be Russians in Russia, is monitored and viewed as having any insight at all the the Russian SMO….
Here’s one posted this weekend (Oct 2)
“I (Kiril) am very drunk rn. Ask me anything”…
Q: How does it feel having become a significant commentator of this war?
A: It’s super weird bc we used to be a niche podcast about obscure Russian history/philosophy for 3000 followers. Now we have almost 200k.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 3 2022 2:23 utc | 193
Here you go. Drafting women in Ukraine.
https://t.me/loordofwar/49822
10 people (7 from Ivano-Frankivsk, 3 from Transcarpathia) tried to cross the Tisza River to Romania.
The border guards caught them and said that the front was in the other direction.
It would be better if they sat in the basements and did not shine, and now they will throw them somewhere where there will be no grave left.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/17343
Ukrainian students who study in the foreign universities and have the right to leave the country are detained while trying to pass through checkpoints in the Lvov oblast.
https://t.me/denatofication/3512
Make no mistake, Ukraine is not a country nor has it any future. Everyone will get killed per Nato to “weaken Russia”.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 3 2022 2:24 utc | 194
So Blinken and Stoltenberg tell Zelensky that they are not able to join NATZO.
I recall that a US Ambassador told Saddam Hussein that the USA had no opinion on his intentions regarding Kuwait. That led Hussein to make a fatal move. I cannot imagine anyone believing a word from Blinken or Stoltenberg, not one word!
Time will tell.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 3 2022 2:25 utc | 195
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Oct 2 2022 17:09 utc | 14
That exactly is the point Kadyrow makes. And rightly so. It is not “pulling teeth”, as yenansis puts it.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Oct 3 2022 2:26 utc | 196
What I still cannot understand, is why when outlining his 24 Feb SMO announcement/goals – Putin never mentioned the massive increase in Ukrainian military forces arrayed on the front lines of the Donbass, especially no mention of the sudden increase in shelling by Ukrainian military (as reported by the OSCE) into the Donbass civilian populations in those 7-10 days before the SMO was decided???
Putin’s SMO announcement text in full
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67843
Sometimes I believe Putin needs to speak less and be much more specific and focused about what is occurring in the present and less waffle about past history. But I only say this as a westerner, and assuming Putin actually makes these speeches wanting the western proletarians (and media) to understand what’s going on and why.
If so why never mention the then military forces arrayed against the Donbass people? Surely the Russian citizens would have appreciated knowing this as well. Or had they already be well informed by their media – whereas in the west we were not.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 3 2022 2:27 utc | 197
Erdogan correctly saw that the US would try to drag him into a war with Russia, so adroitly positioned Turkey as peacemaker before the US was able to corner him. I’m not an Erdogan fan but thought that was a very savvy move which indicates that he understands perfectly how this game is played.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 3 2022 2:21 utc | 194
Agree. He has some issues, but he is sharp as a tack, a real politician. I think Putin finds him useful from time to time, and he gets away with a lot because of that.
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 3 2022 2:30 utc | 198
new from NEW ATLAS
Nord Stream Attacks, New Russia, Mobilization – Russian Ops in Ukraine (Oct. 1, 2022)
https://youtu.be/vP3mSTtSOd4?t=162
I have an article right here that I wrote Under my pen name Tony cartelucci in 2018 the link will be in the video description below ………
see https://journal-neo.org/2018/12/19/blocking-nord-stream-2-to-fight-russian-dictatorship-us-dictates-to-europe/
In what is essentially a bilateral deal between Germany and Russia, the US – from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean – “expresses opposition” to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline and is preparing to target companies involved to prevent the pipeline’s completion and use.
It is the ultimate irony and the pinnacle of hypocrisy that the US claims in its own resolution that Russia seeks to “control” European energy markets while the US House resolution itself is an open demonstration of Washington’s desire to control European energy policy.
Nothing unusual in that, it is the standard MO of the USA since independence.
And many have said it, there was never and still no ability of the USA to replace the Gas supply now lost via the NS pipelines, separately or combined.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 3 2022 2:33 utc | 199
Turk 152 | Oct 3 2022 2:21 utc | 194
“……I’m not an Erdogan fan”
Is anyone?
………thought it a savvy move…. to position himself as peacemaker rather than in the position of – You’re either with us or with the terroristPutin ….
Agree.
Erdogan is no new kid on the block and has been squeezed and wedged (and nearly assassinated) by the US before…
Inflation in Turkey is 80%. The international financiers whacked the Turkish lira several times over the purchase of s400s and other heresies.
It would suit Erdogan and Turkey if there was an alternative to the U$D….
local currency trade.. even barter..
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 3 2022 2:35 utc | 200