Just able to pull up MoA,after getting error messages for the last +- 24 hours. Very happy to see it up again! I was concerned that a few toes have been noticeably stepped on.

Posted by: naiverealist | Oct 2 2022 16:46 utc | 4

“It was only a matter of time until American and European financial control over the world would end as more and more countries became dependent on China and Russia for their imports and exports, for loans, for weapons, etc. The elites of America and Europe could see the writing on the wall and were determined to put a stop it. Brutalizing the average people for the selfish schemes of elites, for personal power and enrichment, is being seen for what it is. What does that portend for European leaders and their institutions? The Great Reset may not be the reset they thought it would be…” From Zelenskyy Begs For NATO Entrance After Destruction Of Nordstream or: “There must be some way out of here” Said the joker to the thief

Posted by: Kali El | Oct 2 2022 16:57 utc | 6

@Abeille Flandres
So fair, in Kherson direction, it is a big fail for the nazis. But yeah, if they are successful there, it is all over.

Posted by: Pobeda | Oct 2 2022 17:00 utc | 8

Seems like server issues took the site down for a while? Hopefully that is all resolved now.
Yesterday, Ukraine liberated Zolata Balka (site of the now famous watermelon sculpture). Pro-RU chatter on t.me is that Ukraine pushed another 20km south along the river today, up to or into Dudchany. Haven’t seen any proof of that though.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 2 2022 17:01 utc | 10

One of the side effects of the pipeline attack is that it makes Ukraine itself, not just Germany and Poland, even more dependent on american LNG supplies, unless the ukrainian government reopens the pipelines from the Russian Federation itself.
Let’s see how this winter goes in Ukraine itself, and how generous will be Germany and Poland in sending a large percentage of their scarce USA LNG supplies to Ukraine, which they must do if they want to avoid another 10-20 million ukrainians emigrating.
Situations like this show why european states cannot realistically be fully independent: they are too small and too scarce in natural resources, so they must depend on continental powers; independence is just a word, without being backed by power.
The attack on the pipelines shows that for most of western Europe vassalage to the USA is not avoidable, the only question is the degree.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 2 2022 17:09 utc | 12

Posted by: flaunting | Oct 2 2022 16:59 utc | 8
Jewish power is the real power in charge of the US. They want to eliminate a sovereign Russia motivated by the quest for global hegemony and to get revenge for pogroms during the Russian Empire. They care most about Israel. An indirect attack must then target Jewish power and Israel.
To me the two obvious ways of doing this are stirring up dissent among white Christians in America against Jewish power
I thought this kind of rhetoric was not permitted on this board.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Oct 2 2022 17:12 utc | 14

Consider Liman a means to pull Ukr forces away from Bhakmut, the HQ of Ukr ops in Donbass. Lose the “profits by the 1st Quarter” thinking…

Posted by: donten | Oct 2 2022 17:15 utc | 16

Russian Telegram channel Operatsiya Z: Voenkory Russkoy Vesny on Kadyrov’s accusations against Lapin (October 1, 2022):

‼️🇷🇺 Statement by the fighters of the “O” group: regarding Ramzan Kadyrov accusing the commander of the Central Military District Aleksandr Lapin of the retreat from Liman, in the interest of justice, it is necessary to refute untruths:
All the conclusions of the emotional text of the head of Chechnya are based on incorrect information: General Lapin DID NOT COMMAND THE DEFENSE OF LIMAN and did not SIT OUT IN THE REAR.
▪️It is extremely wrong to blame the retreat from the Kharkov direction on the general who did not lead the defense of that sector, but was thrown at it WITH A SMALL PART OF HIS TROOPS as reinforcements in the last attempt to correct the most difficult situation at the front.
▪️Aleksandr Lapin never sat in the rear. This can be confirmed by everyone who has ever encountered him. Be it Syria, be it the Ukraine, where almost every fighter of the “O” group knows this. This is probably the only group commander who has been in the battle formations of his troops since the beginning of the operation. Therefore, the statement that Lapin was holed up in Lugansk is not true.
▪️Of course, it is necessary to look for the guilty, but blaming everything on the commander whose area of ​​responsibility was a completely different sector of the front is a gross mistake, from which in the end it will not be possible to draw the right conclusions.
Fighters of the “Otvazhnye” group

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2022 17:17 utc | 18

Russian Telegram channel Svideteli Bayraktara on Kadyrov’s accusations against Lapin (October 1, 2022):

About Lapin
I know comrade General from Syria. In 2017, his people arrested me in the desert, I spent 4 hours in the caring hands of guys from the Central Military District.
We have been working with Otvazhnye [“O” group — S] since June. We lived on the front line and saw everything with our own eyes. Lisichansk fell thanks to the efforts of the Central Military District. Initially, it was planned to storm Lisichansk directly, like Severodonetsk. General Lapin insisted on a systematic encirclement.
After the loss of Volcheyarovka, the Ukrainians began to withdraw their forces from Lisichansk. Then the men from the REAR! district closed the encirclement in the Belogorovka area and for another 2 days kept finishing off the AFU soldiers who were leaving to join their own. Thanks to this maneuver, street fighting in Lisichansk was avoided.
There may be claims against Lapin, but he certainly cannot be reproached for cowardice. Aleksandr Pavlovich always led the troops, in the immediate vicinity of the line of contact. He arrived in Belogorovka by a car with a driver and a security guard! That’s all! At the same time, he drove past a flaming MTLB, which was blown up by Ukrainian saboteurs. A day later, our headquarters were dismantled by a Ukrainian tank.
When the enemy began to cross the Oskol in small groups, General Lapin led a special forces detachment to catch the sabotage groups. So the problem is not in the cowardice and incompetence of an individual general. The problem is in communication and control systems. And I’m afraid even Lapin’s strength was not enough here, even though he tried to rectify the situation.
Aleksandr Kharchenko

Addendum (October 1, 2022):

Following up on the previous post. Lapin asked to start mobilization in JUNE! Even then there weren’t enough people. Some battalions had 30 people left, but those guys kept advancing and winning contrary to military science.
In any case, public spats during a war is disastrous stuff. We need to concentrate. There are many trials ahead, and it will be a shame if Lapin is made a scapegoat for the miscalculations of a wide circle of officials.
Aleksandr Kharchenko

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2022 17:20 utc | 20

Like it or not the American scum are despised in Europe their dirty grubby old perverted leader, mass murdering military and grubby disgusting WEF scum like the clotted clown #Truss know the people wait to tear them to pieces.
We are committing to ensure every dirty General and MoD scum bag involved with the Asov nazi ukrainian Biden scum is sent to prison. It is time the war criminal shit of the imperialist scum were in a cell with the child raping paedos.
No tolerance or excuses from the #NATO nazi war criminals just prison and hopefully as rope death.
End the imperialist scum and remove the American shit from Europe and as for their #Banderite nazi vermin –
Make them oak do history really remembers what happens to dirty Nazis of a corrupt #wef Jew and his American corrupt empire of zionist oligarch scum.
Americans out, Russia in and Imperialist EU war criminal scum dangling.

Posted by: Timboz | Oct 2 2022 17:22 utc | 22

Just reposting from previous thread
Interesting perspective from Larry Johnson

Let me note some concerns regarding the military operations of Ukraine and Russia. First, Ukraine’s assault on the Russian position in Liman was carried out without any significant close air support. Ditto for Russia–i.e., no apparent close air support to fend off the attacking Ukrainians. Ukraine has an excuse–it no longer has a functioning air force. Russia does not. It has a surfeit of available air frames that could carry out that mission. Why are they holding back?
The second issue is the quality of battlefield intelligence and Russia’s ability to act on it. Let me present the options for your consideration and discussion:
Option 1–Russian intelligence knew the size of the Ukrainian force attacking Liman and the Russian Commanding General ignored the intelligence and did not call for sufficient reinforcements.
Option 2–Russian intelligence knew the size of the Ukrainian force attacking Liman and the Russian Commanding General believed he could hold them off.
Option 3–Russian intelligence DID NOT know the size of the Ukrainian force and the defenders were caught by surprise and unable to reinforce until it was too late.
Option 4–Russian intelligence knew the size of the Ukrainian force attacking Liman but Russia did not have the ability to resupply and reinforce the defenders.
Option 5–The Russians know Ukraine’s intention and allowed Liman to fall–effecting a tactical withdrawl–in preparation for a counter strike that will destroy the Ukrainian force who believes they have the Russians on the run.
If Russia was experiencing this kind of setback across the 1000 kilometer front then alarm bells should be clanging in Moscow. But that is not the case. This is one small geographic area and the Russians inflicted massive casualties on the Ukrainian attackers. Events during the next week will inform us whether this is an aberration for Russia’s Ukraine plan.

https://sonar21.com/if-pr-counted-then-russia-and-putin-are-toast/

Posted by: Down South | Oct 2 2022 17:30 utc | 24

Wellcome back!
Your site was offline whole day!
What kind of attack was that?
DDOS? Overload?
So, you site is importanz!
It was not the only one… Several others were gone to…

Posted by: preseren3 | Oct 2 2022 17:33 utc | 26

Many have argued here that Russia can take it’s time, go slow, these setbacks are minor, everything will change when the Donbas is Russia, etc.
A consequence of that reality is that the longer this goes on, and the more Russia “appears” to be weak – the more likely NATO is to overplay their hand and do something far more provocative and risky than blow up some pipelines.
The sooner this ends in victory, or at least the tide turns in an undeniable way for Russia the better it will be for the entire world.
The West clearly believes it’s own BS. I wonder how much the Russian’s are suffering from the same issue.

Posted by: Just Observing | Oct 2 2022 17:38 utc | 28

The great CCCP strategist sitting smoothie.x in the USA,
…Krasny Liman is the micro, Putin’s speech and actions are the macro. The irony is people think Krasny Liman is easy to understand so they dwell on it as emblematic of the big picture, while Sept. 30 will remain for centuries as the Big Shift in geopolitical events. The war against Satan. Epic. Biblical. Colossal. Terrific monologue and primer for all to reexamine the Putin speech…
And he added some link to some old soviet silly movie.
Je me dégoûte, André.

Posted by: Josef Schweik | Oct 2 2022 17:40 utc | 30

The war will probably escalate in intensity from here, with Russia no longer holding back or going slow to avoid civilian casualties, which was needed to incorporate the regions of Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson. Russia still will take Odessa and Kharkov, but the rest can be reduced to rubble, US-style.
Zelensky looks like somebody has just walked over his grave, like Doc Holliday and the hapless Johhny Ringo, and Putin will be his Huckleberry. Zelensky is no daisy, he’ll be either eliminated or in refuge overseas before the end of next year.
Despite the outraged blathering and panty-twisting of western commentators trying to imagine every possible reason why Russia should fail, the plan to neutralize Ukraine continues, albeit with its share of mistakes and road-bumps.

Posted by: GreatObserver | Oct 2 2022 17:45 utc | 32

Berlin, today, barely 20 people attended a protest calling for peace with Russia.
More people have marched in the name of pronouns and animal rights in the German capital, not to mention the enthusiasm with which they all marched in solidarity of their Nazi sympathising eastern friends…
Before one thinks it was the rain that put Berliners off, for the 15 minutes my friend watched, all she witnessed were passers by heckling and shaking their heads, even shouting ‘no way!’ to a harmless call for peace. The condescension as if it was those brave souls who were the fools was palpable she said.
One senses it will take more than a few cold showers and queues at the employment office to change public opinion, let alone any Government policy.
One also wonders, apart from the obvious ‘evil Putin’, who else will need to be scapegoated, should all the dire predictions come to fruition. Based on today’s observations, one would be tempted to think such people will be quite deserving of any future misfortunes, though inner city bourgeoisie are likely the very people who blindly voted for the half-witted traitors feeding us to the wolves, and the last to suffer, long after factories have closed and they finally realise their foolishness.

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 2 2022 17:48 utc | 34

Rybar on recent developments (October 1, 2022):

🇷🇺🇺🇦 About the reasons for the failure in Balakleya, Kupyansk, Izyum and Liman
It is with regret that we read the news that the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, blamed the collapse of the Liman Front on the commander of the Central Military District Aleksandr Lapin, who was responsible for the defense of the Kharkov direction after the “regrouping”.
There’s a good proverb: “You can’t jump above your head.” And in this situation, it is absolutely applicable to Colonel-General Aleksandr Lapin, who regularly visits the front line in the SMO zone.
I met Lapin personally back in Syria, during the first capture of Palmyra. In front of our eyes, the Russian general was dragging Syrian caricatures of military leaders to the front line by their collars, smashing radios on their heads when they could not report where their running troops were.
It is possible that Lapin simply failed to handle the unprofessional troops of the Western Military District.
That is the very personification of the proverb “You can’t jump above your head.”
With the exception of the 20th Combined Arms Army, our parade and demonstrative troops of the Western Military District turned out to be non-combat-ready.
The blame for this lies both with servicemen who lived in pampered conditions (to a lesser extent) and the commanders who cultivated those conditions and failed to adapt to modern realities (guilty to a much greater extent)—even at the cost of losses.
The “legendary” 1st Tank Army began its flight from the Kharkov region and then proceeded to bring down the front to the north-west of Liman. And the power and strength of the “fire brigades” from other forces was not enough.
If we add to this the problems of interaction between formations and branches of the Armed Forces, we get a depressing picture.
It’s time to admit that we entered the Special Military Operation with a completely non-combat-ready (with the exception of individual formations) district [meaning, the Western Military District — S]. And to start doing something to fix the situation.
Here’s a hint: throwing untrained mobilized people to plug holes in the front line would be an extremely wrong move. Other measures and other solutions are needed.

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2022 17:50 utc | 36

I have no crystal ball, but when I ponder Russia moving in forces to bolster their defenses, reinforce their units that are on the offensive, using the rest to create a reserve, and to start a few new strategically important offensive operations, I think of how Ukraine’s infantry will have to scramble to counter the new offensive moves. Their propaganda ministry is utterly dependent on their infantry being able to continue providing the argument that they are making headway, and that they aren’t losing any more territory.
If Russia’s military starts picking off towns and hamlets, Ukraine would feel compelled to thwart that. Russia might then see the time as ripe for destroying the transformers that electrify the rail lines that Ukraine uses to carry its army, and Russia’s reinforced military could then use its drones, helicopters, missiles, and jets, to destroy the Ukrainian forces that would be sitting ducks on the rails.
The AFU isn’t led by fools, and has plenty of intelligence gathering from America, so they’d know the risks involved. So, will Russia be ready to do what I suggested above, and would Zelenskyy once again overrule his advisors and order the military to go all in, in countering Russian advances?
If Russia commits a large chunk of its Air Force to taking out exposed Ukrainian armor and troop concentrations, Russia’s infantry might be used for making some bold maneuvers on the battlefield.
Blinken sees the destruction of the pipelines as an opportunity. I see the approach of bad weather, and then winter, as an opportunity for Russian forces. They would just need to leverage the superior mobility of their vehicles, and use them in conjunction with their much superior air cover, artillery, and missile forces.
If Russia keeps making pin prick attacks along the lengthy front line with Ukraine, then I see Russia undermining the credibility of Ukraine’s military ability to face Russia’s forces, and goading Zelenskyy into ordering unwise counterattacks.
In America’s Civil War that’s what happened as Union forces started taking territory in Georgia. The Confederate government, beleaguered by demands to “do something!”, unwisely put a pugnacious general in charge of their local forces, and he decided to slug it out with the far more numerous Union forces, which also had much more artillery.
Yadda yadda yadda, shortly thereafter all was lost, and Atlanta had to be abandoned by Confederate forces.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 2 2022 17:53 utc | 38

Okay, never posted here, read it often. Been online forever and I know what trolling is and whatever. I know things you people should know.
1) This is the first war in the history of mankind where both sides have access to excellent satellite recon. Forget drones. They are jammable, bidirectionally. Piloting commands can be jammed, imagery transmitted back can be jammed. Only the autonomous nav drone going to a specific latitude/longitude mean anything, and they are usually not recon. They are suicide type.
2) Satellites come in types. At geosynch altitude of 23,000 miles you don’t get much imagery. Recon satellites are lower in altitude and Keplerian element sets define their orbit, typically overhead at some locale at most 15 minutes. They traverse the sky. They don’t hang overhead. That is what geosynch does and those are for communications and even sometimes radar or eavesdropping, seldom if ever imagery with decent resolutions of square meters per pixel. So, those low altitude (call it 500 miles) passes are entirely predictable. You can inform troops to hide, or be sure to move afterwards.
3) 1 and 2 above means something important. There are no surprises. You cannot mass equipment or troops without being seen. The spacecraft are typically multi-spectral but even with that, it’s a cloudy planet. The great pictures you see are one of 100s taken before clear sky was present. Also, those 15 minute passes . . . usually groups of 3. The first is 8 minutes maybe, then 15, then another 8, and then 12 hours pass before the next group of three. These spacecraft are usually polar type orbits with the planet rotating under them. That it why you don’t have to maneuver. The desired location for imaging will be seen each day two times per day, though one group of three is usually dark. Babbling a bit but you wackos need to know this. THERE ARE NO SURPRISES.
4) The senior officers of both sides went to the same schools, in Russia. The past 8 years since 2014 some junior officers likely have gotten US and UK training, but the generals who took 25 years to reach their rank, they went to the MTI annexes of Russian civilian universities. This is just like US ROTC, where most officers come from. Academies do supply officers, and Russia has them, too, but most officers are from ROTC or these Military Training Institutes attached to civilian universities. Thus, the Russian and Ukrainian generals were classmates. They may have even kept in touch over the decades. They all learned the same tactics from Stalingrad. They all have the same satellite imagery. They all know the eventual outcome of what is going on.
5) This will also likely be the mechanism for the eventual military coup, that to some extent is the only possible outcome. No one will trust anyone in any agreements that might be signed, so a coup is almost certainly the only way it ends. The US and UK certainly are aware of this and have taken steps to keep Ukraine military senior personnel out of the relevant Kiev buildings, but . . . it doesn’t matter. It’s the only conceivable eventual end.

Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 2 2022 18:03 utc | 40

Napoleon(best general ever) invaded Russia with a huge army. He got destroyed. Germans invaded Russia with the best military by far at the time. They got destroyed. With the new territories, Ukraine is now on Russian land. It won’t end well for Ukraine.

Posted by: KHS | Oct 2 2022 18:08 utc | 42

Why is not Russia targeting Zelensky himself? Why is not Russia targeting Kiev and other politican/military centers??
Why is Russia sending conscript to the frontline? When Ukraine have Nato-armed soldiers meeting them?

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 2 2022 18:13 utc | 44

GreatObserver | Oct 2 2022 17:45 utc | 33
“Despite the outraged blathering and panty-twisting of western commentators trying to imagine every possible reason why Russia should fail, the plan to neutralize Ukraine continues, albeit with its share of mistakes and road-bumps.”
Agree with what you’re saying and I think it’s also this guy’s take: “Big Serge Thoughts – The War Has Just Begun”.
Russia finally has ‘force generation’ in its favor, whereas Ukraine’s window of opportunity is shut now. Both Soviet era and NATO stocks depleted. The US can’t even send regular 155mm artillery shells anymore, Ukraine now has do make do with 105mm / M119 howitzers. Some kind of Russian winter offensive is to be expected a few weeks from now.
Interesting, well-written analysis IMO.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 2 2022 18:19 utc | 46

Until the Russian government takes the war seriously and starts destroying Ukraine’s infrastructure, especially its power grid, the liberation of the Donetsk Republic will not occur, and Ukraine will continue to advance in the south and east.

Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 2 2022 18:27 utc | 48

@gottlieb | Oct 2 2022 17:24 utc | 24

A server issue?

The server replied to PING during the downtime as far as I could determine.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 2 2022 18:40 utc | 50

@Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 2 2022 18:19 utc | 47

Agree with what you’re saying and I think it’s also this guy’s take: “Big Serge Thoughts – The War Has Just Begun”.
Russia finally has ‘force generation’ in its favor, whereas Ukraine’s window of opportunity is shut now. Both Soviet era and NATO stocks depleted. The US can’t even send regular 155mm artillery shells anymore, Ukraine now has do make do with 105mm / M119 howitzers. Some kind of Russian winter offensive is to be expected a few weeks from now.
Interesting, well-written analysis IMO.

Thanks for the link to the Big Serge blog, a very thoughtful and comprehensive review of where we stand. I think that he is very correct that Ukraine has played the best hand it had and it has exhausted the extra resources utilized (and the ex-Soviet and Western military stockpiles). A late fall/winter offensive driving past Kharkov would certainly collapse all of Ukraine’s gains – both destroying military capabilities and Ukrainian morale. A parallel drive to Zaporizhzhia would also threaten Dnipro and a possible link up with the thrust from Kharkov – threatening encirclement of the whole Ukie south eastern front. I would put my bet on those two thrusts.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 2 2022 18:44 utc | 52

Russian Telegram channel Voenkor Kotyonok Z on recent developments (October 1, 2022):

I’m being bombarded with DMs: General Lapin this, General Lapin that, right, wrong, Kadyrov denounces, etc.
I won’t talk about Lapin, because I did not serve under his command and do not know him personally.
Secondly, it is surprising that with such comms and with such command at the tactical level, we even defended Krasnyy Lyman for 20 days in the face of superior enemy forces.
At the tactical level, there are no normal comms. And I’m talking about the RAF, I won’t even talk about the rifle regiments of DPR’s mobilization reserve.
It’s simply embarrassing. With this, we entered the war, sorry, the SMO. Is Lapin to blame for this?
Report to Shoygu and the Supreme Commander about the lack of comms and commands, as they most likely do not read my channel.
How does it look not on a TV show, but in reality?
At the tactical (company) level, command is impossible—there are no comms. A company commander, when making a decision, finds himself in a vacuum.
The Ukrs are listening to and jamming Baofengs. I repeat, there are NO closed comms at the tactical level. The mobilized, “mobiks”, as they are called, at best have several 50-years-old R-159s without “Istorik”…
It is impossible to fight with such equipment in the 21st century—you will be defeated by an enemy equipped an order of magnitude better. But Russians even manage to attack without comms and a command and control system.
It’s a paradox…
And the saddest thing is that this truth about the real state of affairs does not reach the top, and in fact only two people in the state, except for the President, are allowed to tell it—Ramzan Kadyrov and Yevgeniy Prigozhin. Something is wrong in the Russian State.

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2022 18:45 utc | 54

It was my understanding that there is a great big pile of Soviet-era stuff being guarded by Russians in Transdnistria. I’ve been wondering why nobody has tried to grab it yet.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 2 2022 18:46 utc | 56

> Je me dégoûte, André.
> Posted by: Josef Schweik | Oct 2 2022 17:40 utc | 31
> A native french speaker you are not.
> Posted by: Passerby | Oct 2 2022 18:35 utc | 50
He is just a good soldier…

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 2 2022 18:49 utc | 58

SG @20
“Russia is trying to grind down Ukraine and the whole NATO without sacrificing too much resources”
In one day in Kherson, Ukraine lost ~400 men killed and wounded, plus 43 tanks (and other materiel).
https://t.me/HersonVestnik/9089
A grim wipe-out of Ukrainian forces
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28100
If this is winning, I would hate to see losing.
Regarding, Krasny Lyman, ~300-500 DNR / Coassak militia held firm against ~6000 NATO forces for several weeks and withdrew in good order. Facing a 3:1 opponent is usually thought to be needed for a an overwhelming loss. The militia faced 12:1.
Chunga @30
Agreed. Recent changes have adversely affected the possibility of displaying messages outside of Telegram.

Posted by: Arfur Mo | Oct 2 2022 18:56 utc | 60

I saw some people talking about anti-war protests?
Do you know any organization organizing protests against the war inside U.S.A.?
I am against the war but there don’t seem to be any anti-war organizations anymore.

Posted by: GoFast | Oct 2 2022 19:00 utc | 62

RVvoenkor (telegram channel) is reporting Ukrainian advances in the Kherson region. He reports that the Russian army has abandoned several settlements, and then goes on to say that, “The enemy continues to [apply] pressure, stubborn battles continue, our fighters really need reinforcements.”
That said, it’s almost like the Russian government isn’t taking the war seriously. Authorities in Moscow talk a good game (e.g., decision making centers will be attacked, etc.), but they don’t seem to ever follow through with actual action.

Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 2 2022 19:02 utc | 64

Guy L’Estrange | Oct 2 2022 17:21 utc | 22
Indeed. The Potato Eaters
https://www.vincentvangogh.org/potato-eaters.jsp

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 2 2022 19:05 utc | 66

Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Oct 2 2022 17:21 utc | 22
“That Van Gogh picture of the potato pickers (or planters?) is beginning to look like a forecast of our European future.”
Are you thinking of the painting by J F Millet, “The Man With the Hoe,”
https://www.thehistoryofart.org/jean-francois-millet/man-with-the-hoe/
Or perhaps the Edward Markham poem of the same name, based on the Millet painting?
//
God made man in His own image,
in the image of God made He him. —Genesis.
Bowed by the weight of centuries, he leans
Upon his hoe and gazes on the ground,
The emptiness of ages in his face,
And on his back the burden of the world.
Who made him dead to rapture and despair,
A thing that grieves not and that never hopes,
Stolid and stunned, a brother to the ox?
Who loosened and let down this brutal jaw?
Whose was the hand that slanted back this brow?
Whose breath blew out the light within this brain?
Is this the Thing the Lord God made and gave
To have dominion over sea and land;
To trace the stars and search the heavens for power;
To feel the passion of Eternity?
Is this the Dream He dreamed who shaped the suns
And marked their ways upon the ancient deep?
Down all the stretch of Hell to its last gulf
There is no shape more terrible than this—
More tongued with censure of the world’s blind greed—
More filled with signs and portents for the soul—
More fraught with danger to the universe.
What gulfs between him and the seraphim!
Slave of the wheel of labor, what to him
Are Plato and the swing of Pleiades?
What the long reaches of the peaks of song,
The rift of dawn, the reddening of the rose?
Through this dread shape the suffering ages look;
Time’s tragedy is in that aching stoop;
Through this dread shape humanity betrayed,
Plundered, profaned and disinherited,
Cries protest to the Judges of the World,
A protest that is also prophecy.
O masters, lords and rulers in all lands,
is this the handiwork you give to God,
This monstrous thing distorted and soul-quenched ?
How will you ever straighten up this shape;
Touch it again with immortality;
Give back the upward looking and the light;
Rebuild in it the music and the dream;
Make right the immemorial infamies,
Perfidious wrongs, immedicable woes?
O masters, lords and rulers in all lands,
How will the Future reckon with this Man?
How answer his brute question in that hour
When whirlwinds of rebellion shake the world?
How will it be with kingdoms and with kings—
With those who shaped him to the thing he is—
When this dumb Terror shall rise to judge the world
After the silence of the centuries?
//
That “dumb terror” may be about to do just that!

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 2 2022 19:06 utc | 68

Ukraine keep winning, Kherson is next to fall coming weeks? Multiple settlement taken by Ukraine today:

>The battle for Kherson: the situation on the Olginsky site
as of 18.30 October 2, 2022
Ukrainian formations continue the offensive launched yesterday on the right flank of the Krivoy Rog direction.
▪️During the attack from Osokorovka, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to establish control over the settlement of Zolotaya Balka, as well as Shevchenkovka and Lyubimovka.
▪️The enemy uses a significant numerical superiority in manpower, caused by the rare orders of the RF Armed Forces in the entire direction.
▪️At the moment, fighting continues along the entire line of contact. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to move south along the Dnieper towards Dudchan and Berislav.

Source
https://t.me/rybar/39649
Seriously, do not Putin get this information?
Putin will end up in the bunker like Hitler or hanged like Mussolini if he carries out this war this way. So many russians die for nothing. Use your friggin missiles, use your friggin airplanes!

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 2 2022 19:08 utc | 70

Good that MoA is back online. I was starting to have withdrawal symptoms and was actually considering mowing the lawn. Fortunately, MoA reappeared before I had to more seriously contemplate such an endevour.
The optics of Liman certainly look bad and *NO* amount of rationalization takes away the pain. Kadyrov’s rant is IMHO absolutely the *worst* side effect of this. As R.Bentley points out, Liman gives NATO the window in which they could best sell a tactical nuke false flag (Russia losing! Russia in panic! Russia in finger pointing mode!). Kadyrov just plays into NATO’s narrative. I just hope all this really *IS* 5d chess and Kadyrow is going public with his screed against Lapin with the secret approval of Putin and Stavka in support of some greater scheme. We will know soon enough…
Perhaps Izyum/Liman was like the battle of Borodino, a Napoleonic victory that was ultimately way too expensive and the Ukies haven’t been given the bar bill yet. The tide afterall has to reach a high water mark at some point before it can recede.
In any event, weeks ago I accused the *RF*, at least the army, of being 404, not Ukraine. That accusation still stands – we’ve seen Wagner, Chechens, LDR/DPR etc but relatively little of a fully equiped RF BTG. The “3rd corp” assembling in Rostov circled around the blog world for a while but nothing obvious came of it except for a few videos of “oriental looking” troops riding atop a tank with a circle and triangle (shades of Zhukov and the Siberians!)… but… nothing. Not clear where they went – perhaps just for plugging up leaks in the front line.
The chestnut of Russia being slow to mount up but riding like the wind, we shall see after 4 Oct. Its been over seven months – mount up and get down to business already!

Posted by: Simplicius | Oct 2 2022 19:09 utc | 72

There’s a reason why Ukraine’s wins are empty.
Russia is losing ground, but it’s Ukraine that’s getting disproportionately demilitarised.
It will take Russia a few days to regain land, but years and billions of $ for NATO and Ukraine to replace equipment and trained manpower.
https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1576651160823685120

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2022 19:16 utc | 74

Babbling a bit but you wackos need to know this. THERE ARE NO SURPRISES.
Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 2 2022 18:03 utc | 41

Yes, you are babbling. You say satellites don’t see everything all the time, instead only providing high resolution pictures at set times from low altitude satellites, or low-resolution pictures from the geostationary satellites, and only if there is no obstructing cloud cover. But then you shout that “there are no surprises”. As in… there is no way to hide from the satellites? I don’t get what you are trying to say. Feverish one-liner slogans might make sense to you in your own head, but they’re indecipherable to others. It’s probably a good thing you haven’t posted before. You write far too much and don’t have a lot of skill for communicating anything in a useful way.

Posted by: Jusses | Oct 2 2022 19:20 utc | 76

Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 2 2022 18:03 utc | 41
re:… No one will trust anyone in any agreements that might be signed, so a coup is almost certainly the only way it ends. The US and UK certainly are aware of this and have taken steps to keep Ukraine military senior personnel out of the relevant Kiev buildings, but . . . it doesn’t matter. It’s the only conceivable eventual end. …
Thanks your POV… quite helpful and desirable.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 2 2022 19:21 utc | 78

My guess thermal plants will gone in a week at most (maybe a few days), Duma will sign the entry of Kherson, Zaporizhe, LPR, DPR tomorrow. There are rumors that RF has sent an ultimatum to Zelensky that if attacks continue, all power plants in Ukraine will be destroyed and in the case of nuclear power plants, disconnected from the grid.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2022 19:25 utc | 82
I hope you’re right, but as much as it pains me to say this, I really doubt that the Russian government will do anything to Ukraine’s infrastructure. I think Putin and his advisers are hoping that winter will defeat the West (and by extension Ukraine), but there is no guarantee that that will happen.

Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 2 2022 19:30 utc | 80

“How, exactly, do any of the major NATO countries continue to regard the USA as any kind of ally? They won’t and they can’t.”
Posted by: chunga | Oct 2 2022 18:51 utc | 60
The US is overplaying its hand in Ukraine. The US is currently led by WEF trained globalists, these people represent about 20-30% of Americans. Which means 80-70% of Americans hate their own government. My fervent hope is that the war in Ukraine ends with the WEF trained globalists defeated, then we can take our country back. I am not a Putin fanboy, but if he can defeat Ukraine without destroying both Ukraine and Russia, then I hope he does it.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 2 2022 19:37 utc | 82

Glad to see that MoA have fixed the technical uhm problems
Larry Johnson’s Opinions on Liman – https://sonar21.com/if-pr-c…
Key Passage
The second issue is the quality of battlefield intelligence and Russia’s ability to act on it. Let me present the options for your consideration and discussion:
Option 1–Russian intelligence knew the size of the Ukrainian force attacking Liman and the Russian Commanding General ignored the intelligence and did not call for sufficient reinforcements.
Option 2–Russian intelligence knew the size of the Ukrainian force attacking Liman and the Russian Commanding General believed he could hold them off.
Option 3–Russian intelligence DID NOT know the size of the Ukrainian force and the defenders were caught by surprise and unable to reinforce until it was too late.
Option 4–Russian intelligence knew the size of the Ukrainian force attacking Liman but Russia did not have the ability to resupply and reinforce the defenders.
Option 5–The Russians know Ukraine’s intention and allowed Liman to fall–effecting a tactical withdrawal–in preparation for a counter strike that will destroy the Ukrainian force who believes they have the Russians on the run.
My opinions
Option 1 – complacency – plausible
Option 2 – Pride and Arrogance – likely
Option 3 – Incompetence – very unlikely
Option 4 – lack of resources through Negligence – plausible
Option 5 – astute – possible
Thoughts please

Posted by: Aslangeo | Oct 2 2022 19:44 utc | 84

Lots of schizoids screaming about jews in the comments today, did the jews conspire to piss in your cheerios again?

Posted by: Domerts | Oct 2 2022 19:48 utc | 86

Just from the fog of war, especially since those comments of 2 commanders who critisized a general – maybe some change of tune will happen?

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 2 2022 19:50 utc | 88

About Liman and referendums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6St-2atSF4M
NATO Rejects Ukraine Membership Bid; UK Tory Government Heading to Oblivion

Posted by: Gonzo | Oct 2 2022 19:54 utc | 90

Ebbs and flows. Ukraine has spent months preparing for this. Recall the ask of thousands of tanks and a few hundred came. NATO does not have unlimited resources, as evidence by the French telling the Danes their 18 Caesars would be going to Ukraine instead. The US is at 800K artillery shells according to Congressional record.
Russia’s issues are real. There are not enough forces and not enough coordination. And because of it they’re taking punches, though do not appear to be losing large numbers of troops or even significant equipment. But they are on the back foot in multiple locations (though Bakhmut appears to be progressing and it’s important).
The question to be answered is after the Duma accepts the oblasts officially, tomorrow or the next day, whether things change. It is logical and seems supported by evidence that there are a pretty significant number of AFR just outside the combat zone. When they left in late spring they never returned. If they do return the tide likely turns again. If they do not, Russia may be in some trouble.
But given that the only acceptable goal for Ukraine is complete ejection of Russian forces, the task for them is tough. And the US is already talking about monthly payments to keep Ukraine afloat. The US is fickle but it’s also staked its reputation on Ukraine. Russia could apply a short burst of overwhelming force, reach the borders of the four oblasts and then sit down. What does Ukraine/US do then? How does that play to the world if Ukraine keeps attacking? How long can the US maintain the support Ukraine needs?
Russia has a pretty doable scenario to “finish” the job it currently prioritizes. Ukraine not so much. Who’s quagmire is it? Though there’s quite a lot of danger left for Russia that it could go wrong.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 2 2022 19:57 utc | 92

Posted by: S | Oct 2 2022 19:00 utc | 64
I am following your comments. You are writting common sense.
Special was Kadyrov statement.
Here is what I think.
Putin was very busy to establish contracts with runaway areas….
In the mean time, this areas suffered huge loses, and now there is no 107.000sq kilometers, maybe only two thirds under RF control.
So, Russia is doing contracts with not existing teritories.
Now, they could retrive this terirories back only with nuclear missiles.
But, if they do that, noboy can live there for million years…
I can not understand, what RF Army is doing!
They shelled Donbas teritoraj with 10 million grenades in this 7 months!
What the fuck are they shooting at???? Chicken coops? Rabbit holes?
They killed every dog, rabbit, animals you can count, but only 60.000 soldiers… But not with grenades… There were also calibers, iskanders, drones, tanks, peronal weapons…
So, my thinking is, what idiots in RF army are running that show??? WHAT IS THIS?
Do Rf satellites stil send only beeeepppp, beeeep from the space?
Because, as i read, British intelligence is informing ukro army about movement of RF army! HOW THE FUCK!
They are even not involved! Have limited resources! Less than RF!
WHAT IS THIS???
Only person in Russia which is functioning is Putin. If he is not acting, everything is dead!
Generals, even Shojgu, are pupets!
So, in next days, if Putin is not responding to last defeats, Izjum, Liman, etc, there will bo no Donbas, no Herson, Zaporosje…
I start to recall how Gadafi was killed, Sadam Husein, even back to Allende…
I would not like to look at this pictures again. But I am affraid, it is going that way!

Posted by: preseren3 | Oct 2 2022 20:00 utc | 94

The Swiss may apply their normal solution for any problem “take it to court”.
The Swiss Real Estate Association, which represents landlords, warns that turning down the heating in rented accommodation could result in a legal backlash.
The 19 degree heating target was a specific measure contained in a voluntary energy saving campaignExternal link launched by the government in August.But legal experts point to a 2017 Supreme Court ruling that said tenants are entitled to minimum heating of 20-21 degrees Celsius. This ruling has opened the door for tenants to sue for compensation should temperatures drop below that mark.
Problem solved! Plenty of heat this winter. In the land of heaven on Earth for Landlords and Chocolate Bunnies just sue the Bastards!

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 2 2022 20:01 utc | 96

@ Zanon | Oct 2 2022 19:08 utc | 71
The battle for Kherson. . . Ukraine managed to establish control over . . .Seriously, does not Putin get this information?
The loss of Kherson would be huge for Russia., but there’s not much available to stop Russia’s defense lines from crumbling. Reinforcements are not available. The Russian forces in Kherson are on a sort of island, with Ukraine forces to the north and a wide river to the south. With all Dnipro bridges blown Russia has fallen back to using pontoon boats (barges) for resupply. They make nice targets.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2022 20:04 utc | 98

Seriously, what is going on with RU forces? Gross dysfunctionality.
Posted by: GoFast | Oct 2 2022 19:56 utc | 94
It’s called “Putinism”. Since Putin only his bootlickers got ahead…and it shows.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 2 2022 20:07 utc | 100