And from Russell Tg, a veteran with direct access to Donbass mil sources:
https://t.me/TXDPR/2374
“Krasny Liman has fallen. Some idiots and liars say and believe there was “an orderly retreat”. Bullshit. The nazis blew the last bridge out of town and so any of our soldiers and civilians who are still left in Krasney Liman will have to walk out, there is no way to go by vehicle now. And I must make a small correction – they will first have to SWIM across the river, and THEN walk, down “The Road of Life”, which is now, being under ukrop observation and “fire control” (i.e., “constant shelling”), more aptly called “The Road of Death”. Idiots who think this is a “minor setback” are just that, idiots, on the level of the “Q” dipshits in the uSA who make posts about Trump coming back to take the Presidency or Obama and the Clintons already being in Gitmo. Idiots.
The loss of Krasney Liman is a failure with strategic ramifications”

Posted by: Kareem | Oct 1 2022 16:00 utc | 104

It seems that, once again, the limitations of the Kremlin’s “slower is better” strategy stand exposed. Russia basically sat out the summer months, achieving little of substance after Severodonetsk/Lysichansk were liberated. The whole plan of depriving the AFU of fuel resources seems to have been quietly abandoned, to name just one issue. We were told not to worry, time is on Russia’s side, time is on Russia’s side: come winter, the Eurolemmings would start to feel the consequences of their own sanctions and some kind of deal would be made, after which happier times would slowly blossom. Well, that whole plan is out of the window now that Russia’s leverage is gone.
Isn’t Paul Craig Roberts starting to look better with things going this way? He has consistently warned that this slowly-softly approach, “don’t escalate, ignore the provocations” gives the enemy all the time he needs to escalate and provoke at his leisure. Sounds pretty close to what we are seeing.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Oct 1 2022 16:07 utc | 106

In a rare show of unity, colonel Cassad, Kotenok, Sasha Kots, Strelkov all agree : this is a disaster. I have rarely seen Sasha Kots so subdued. Add in Kadyrov with in my view a very well-formulated critique, Russell Texas, the Wagner command…
All the guys who are relatively close to the front and have contacts are quite down. Only dumb couch potatoes writing from western Europe or the US continue deluding themselves. Can’t you see that you are hurting Russia by doing this ? You are only supporting the managerial parasites and yes men which are infesting the Russian state apparatus. These are the ones who continue trying the same old “all is well.. Don’t worry… Trust the plan…”
Well I DO worry because I DO care about Russia. And everything tells me that the situation is extremely grave. It’s not so much a matter of losing soldiers or material ; it’s the the demoralising effect of watching the RAF being pushed back town after town, while a bunch of incompetent generals clink glasses and take selfies in the Georgievsky hall. I swear it must be hard to be a patriotic Russian right now, and I fear they may be tempted to vote with their feet.
One thing for sure ; if I was a Russian eligible for mobilization, I wouldn’t trust the Russian command one bit after this splendid show of incompetence.

Posted by: Micron | Oct 1 2022 16:19 utc | 108

Kadyrov is a reckless lunatic for urging the use of nukes. We can all agree on that, right?

Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 1 2022 16:24 utc | 110

@alek_a #96:

I agree with everything except the nukes. If you need to use that, you have already lost.

I also don’t see how low-yield nukes can help, except as a last warning before using strategic ones, but it’s no longer unthinkable. You see, for some Russian generals and admirals⁠—and I’m being generous when I use the qualifier “some”⁠—it’s better to burn the entire humanity to the ground than to admit to Russian citizens and, first and foremost, to themselves that their main focus over the past 30 years has been building their stupid McMansions in Moscow Oblast, buying Toyota Land Cruisers for their daughters, and so on, while dismissing their critics⁠—real patriots⁠—as “incompetent amateurs” and “panic-mongers”.
I hope China is taking notes and will perform a comprehensive audit of its military’s true war fighting capability by conducting large-scale, extremely realistic Red Army–Blue Army exercises, to ensure they don’t suffer similar humiliation if and when the time comes to assert China’s sovereign rights over Taiwan.

Posted by: S | Oct 1 2022 16:25 utc | 112

aristodemos@1124 CST
Appears that in this second section of MoA that the second wave of trolls are now in full-spate following their last chance victory in a minor theatre of war before the floodgates are jammed shut by a fully manned Russian offensive. The Ukies will fall along with the falling of the leaves as October heralds the end of their incursions into the RF.
It is mordantly amusing to watch the antics of certain trolls who insist that they are not posting here for blood-money on behalf of the Bank$ter dominated Evil Empire of Lies, braggadocio and basic bullshit.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 1 2022 16:28 utc | 114

Mar 14, 2022: Vice President Harris calls U.S. commitment to NATO ‘ironclad’
but now
U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan says Ukrainian efforts to join NATO should be taken up “at a different time,” throwing cold water on the country’s desire to join the international alliance
and
no more immediate US military support for Ukraine

Unlike Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA), which DoD has continued to leverage to deliver equipment to Ukraine from DoD stocks at a historic pace, USAI is an authority under which the United States procures capabilities from industry. This announcement represents the beginning of a contracting process to provide additional priority capabilities to Ukraine in the mid- and long-term.
Capabilities include:
18 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and associated ammunition;
150 Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
150 Tactical Vehicles to tow weapons;
40 trucks and 80 trailers to transport heavy equipment; . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 1 2022 16:34 utc | 116

“Kadyrov is a reckless lunatic for urging the use of nukes. We can all agree on that, right?
Posted by: Yenwoda | Oct 1 2022 16:24 utc | 110”
I would say yes, also because I don’t really see the military value of using tactical nukes for instance (notwithstanding the fact I was always assured by seeminly knowledgeable experts that Russian military doctrine didn’t consider nukes for use at tactical level.)
Even using a few of them would do what ? Slow down the Ukies for a few weeks ? It won’t be a magical game-changer, maybe at most it could earn a few weeks of respite. But it won’t magically teleport the Russian forces to Kiev or Odessa. So what’s the point ?
This is assuming the Russians have the means to deliver the nukes at the right place, something I’m not sure of. Russian aviation is in shambles, and artillery doesn’t look much better.

Posted by: Micron | Oct 1 2022 16:37 utc | 118

@Bemildred | Oct 1 2022 15:57 utc | 102
First, that town is (almost) in Russia now.
Second, even Kadyrov very much disagrees with the strategy used for that area, like 99% of everyone else.
If you like to listen to Marty from America you’ll get a delusional perspective that doesn’t match the real life at all. That is, the number of idiots in General Staff is unusually high.
Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 16:25 utc | 111
I know where it is. If the Ukrainians want to attack “pre-war Russia”, I say go for it.
I can’t say I follow either Kadryov or Martyanov, though they are interesting at times.
Militaries are in general not bastions of intellect. One likes at least to see a sober attitude, but sometimes you can’t get even that.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 1 2022 16:39 utc | 120

Meloni’s first test, a squeeze from Putin:
https://www.rt.com/business/563857-italy-gazprom-supply-halt/
Berlusconi and Salvini to the rescue?
Does Putin want more of their men in the new cabinet, and less NATO stooges from Meloni’s party before turning the taps back on? FM and Defence minister less willing to sell weapons to Ukraine?

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2022 16:47 utc | 122

P Walker

I also think the Ukrainians have been given a tiny taste of what the RAF have in their arsenals too. Now that these four regions are now considered part of Russia, then Russia can then justify itself the right to move in heavier assets and manage things directly, instead of using proxy forces themselves.

Lol have you missed when Ukraine bombed cities in Russia or Crimea? What was the response by Russia? No response at all!
Just yesterday Russia said this
Kremlin: An attack on annexed territory will be an attack on Russia
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/09/30/Kremlin-An-attack-on-annexed-territory-will-be-an-attack-on-Russia
Well today Ukraine have taken Liman, they have bombed Donetsk but Russia did nothing as usual.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 1 2022 16:50 utc | 124

Zanon | Oct 1 2022 16:50 utc | 123
The territory isn’t legally Russia until the expansion documents are ratified by the Russian court on Oct. 5.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 1 2022 16:56 utc | 126

>Well today Ukraine have taken Liman, they have bombed Donetsk but Russia did >nothing as usual.
>Posted by: Zanon | Oct 1 2022 16:50 utc | 123
They cannot do much. The Russian society is mentally not ready for sacrifices.
May it will be.
What is good, what I do not see in the West is critic.
Russia is learning. Very slowly, but it is learning.
What Russia is also missing is a new ideology.
You cannot be a consumer, eager to visit shopping malls and fight NATO.

Posted by: marko | Oct 1 2022 17:03 utc | 128

Pretzelattack @107
Those trolls are still all ga-ga since watching the video of Z. playing piano with his wounded-weenie Dick-Tater.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 1 2022 17:12 utc | 130

“Another such victory over the Romans, and we are undone” Pyrrhus

Posted by: Exile | Oct 1 2022 17:18 utc | 132

Joe Biden in my opinion saying look we know you know we blew up your pipelines with aid of other Nato terrorists, but hey you’d better not attack any Nato member or else, but if you want to you can do something really, really nasty to Ukraine as it isn’t a Nato member.
“US President Joe Biden appears to back off the defense of Ukraine, and draws red line at NATO’s border, saying that the United States and NATO would defend “every inch” of its territory if attacked by Russia. Ukraine is not part of NATO.
…
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 1 2022 14:43 utc | 66
The language does sound forced, conspicuous even. It might be a hint to RF to take its frustrations out on Ukraine but I’ve been thinking about USS Kearsarge lately. Perhaps the language is distinguishing between land & sea, rather than NATO & Ukraine.
AFAIK, Kearsarge is still the single most likely culprit for the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines. It’s currently heading out into the Atlantic:
https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/vessels/USS-Kearsarge-(LHD-3)/CURRENT-POSITION/1/368702000
It’s at least conceivable that RF might not want let the sabotage, possibly the destruction, of a geostrategic economic asset go without a specific answer but it has so far avoided that sort of escalation.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 1 2022 17:19 utc | 134

It’s pretty clear the USA now views NATO as past it’s prime. Likely just maintaining the charade to not spook out Europeans.
Why do I say this? For starters, this is what the Americans do. Speaking as a Canadian, I can tell you firsthand to never trust the Americans with anything. You can’t even trust a Presidential signature on a treaty, as Trump proved with the JCPOA and Biden’s half-assed attempt to reobtain it.
America has no allies, just vassal states they bully less.
And right now, instead of fighting to reindustrialize by bringing production back from China, they’re forcing European industry out of Europe and into the USA. Reminds me of what Bannon’s original plan with Trump, as laid out by Professor Mark Blythe. But this plan is even more ruthless than the Trump one, and not just because of sending Ukrainians into a meatgrinder.
Without an industrialized Germany, is there any point for NATO anymore? Even with Finland and Sweden joining ultimately means nothing if Germany is kaput.
Putin wanted to demilitarize and denazi Ukraine. They’re well on the way on that.
But I’m not sure even he expected how Ukraine was utterly willing to DEPOPULATE itself. Ukraine’s demographics are going to make Japan look like they’re on a rocket into space. Ukraine is toast, and baffling how willing Europe was to roast themselves to death along with them.
All to protect a corrupt group of oligarchs and their neo-Nazi goons in a non-EU country.
Shows there is no intelligent life on earth, particularly in Western Europe and North America.
/rant

Posted by: P Walker | Oct 1 2022 17:28 utc | 136

One the one hand we have the strong speech by Putin. On the other hands Ukrainian advances – even at enormous costs – at the battlefield. Seems Russia is not quite ready to take on NATO and its proxy forces. Many young people do not seem to really be willing to make sacrifices for the Russian state as it is at present.
No wonder. Russia is still a capitalist state, with huge inequalities in wealth and power. Even Gazprom has still a large amount of private shareholders, now getting rich because of the EU economic suicide sanctions.
To really involve all of the people against the fight for the live of the Russian speaking people of the Ukraine and to defeat NATO and their nazi puppets in Kiev a social revolution in Russia itself will be needed, putting real power in the hands of the people, like when the bolsheviks led the revolution of 1917. This is the total opposite of the pipe dreams of imperialism that hope for an oligarchic coup, deposing Putin and delivering Russia to the west to be divided and plundered.
A fight for socialism in Russia can turn the war for national liberation and unification, into a war for social liberation as well, that could also appeal to the workers and people in general of not only the Ukrainr, but also the west.

Posted by: Ronald Portier | Oct 1 2022 17:31 utc | 138

I am promoting myself to Field Marshall and taking command immediately. Out of my way! And then I woke up. I would need to see casualty rates for the Ukes involved in the Lyman attack, in order to decide who had the best strategy. If the Russians are temporarily withdrawing in order to massacre the Ukes, then it’s a sensible temporary withdrawal. If not, then it’s a screw up. What’s the timeline on those 300,000 troops called up?

Posted by: Leroy | Oct 1 2022 17:34 utc | 140

This offensive is proving much more resilient than initially predicted. What is going on? Russia is not supposed to lose towns. They did not resource the SMO properly in the first place. They need to fix this now before people get annoyed at this miscalculation.

Posted by: Kaiama | Oct 1 2022 17:37 utc | 142

Posted by: tPaine | Oct 1 2022 17:19 utc | 132
Yes, there is nothing overly strategic about this town but it lays bare a weakness of Russia at the moment.
If the Kremlin is serious about challenging the West in the ways Putin articulated in his speech the other day, they need to: a) stop making celebrations, receptions and other events b) make a plan on how to address the underlying fundamental problems in their armed forces. Which is something that I believe sits squarely in their society. There are, in my view, issues with populism, nationalistic symbolism and religion that are counterproductive, generating a false sense of confidence. I cant articulate it well yet.
The Ukrainians went this summer with a purge in the security apparatus. Coincidentally that was the moment they started winning. Maybe there is a clue for the RF what to do.
And no, sending the new recruits in battle will not help because the underlying weakness (hubris + motivation) will not be solved.
Gaddafi also held anti-west speeches (albeit not that well) but we know what happened to him.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 1 2022 17:38 utc | 144

@Tom UK
The emptiness of your omnipresent views makes me sick.
Learn this, you BBC-raised turd : winning a battle is not winning a war, winning two battles neither. So stop wanking to the fake idea that NATO is turning Ukros into the big fellas of the yard. It’s an illusion, a fantasy you’re just fancying.
De quoi l’OTAN est-elle le nom ? What NATO stands for ? Mainly the facade name for the US Army presence all over the world, only capable to communicate with you Brit Royals asslickers, anyway the rest of us don’t speak their cottonmouth language. And what’s their faits d’armes : a list of failures as long as my arm, incapable as they are of victory even against slingshots… Korea, Vietnam, Irak, Somalia, Afghanistan, Venezuela, even a tiny modestly developed country such as Cuba goes up against them…
So, you tiny Tom-thumb dream about them defeating Russia ? If your donkey-like obstinacy was not so pathetic, if your own country was not so much of a scoundrel bunch, it might make me smile.
It’s about time we send the Yankee home with their shitty food, their shitty cultural values. (We’ll just keep some of their musics, authors and a few movies, thank you)
I’m French by the way and my government is just a little less dumb as yours.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Oct 1 2022 17:40 utc | 146

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 1 2022 17:12 utc | 129
i think they hired more of them to go along with the Ukranian offensive. I think it is a measure of the effectiveness of this blog, that there are so many. I’m going to wait for b and others I trust to weigh in on this.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 1 2022 17:42 utc | 148

Posted by: too scents | Oct 1 2022 17:32 utc | 138

You know China is a bigger market than the USA, right?

But the target audience in Europe is still ideologically trapped inside Atlanticist thought and the idea of stepping out of it fills them with doubt and dread. Safer not to rock the boat.
America loves the sanctions weapon, and while that has been declining, it’s strong enough to keep a good number of smaller actors in lockstep. Also there is some form of vendor lock in when it comes to Europe as America is still a sizeable market that is becoming more free of Chinese competitors and/or the need to find local Chinese partners? So why go to China?
“No one every got fired by buying from IBM” was a mantra in the computer era I was from. Even thought just about anything else out there was better than IBM produced, IBM still had ways of making lives of people miserable, like calling the managers of purchasing agents and filling their bosses with so much FUD, contracts were shifted back to IBM.
This is how America always worked: brute force. Why do you think they fetishize guns? Because at the core Americans are about abusive power while pretending they’re about “the art of the deal.”

Posted by: P Walker | Oct 1 2022 17:50 utc | 150

@P Walker #122:

Fixed for accuracy.

Not at all. NATO technical intelligence—electronic, radar, satellite, cyber (social networks, messengers, email)—performs great. NATO communications perform great. NATO logistics perform well. NATO operational command performs well, quickly adapting to the situation. Neither of those things can be said about Russia’s MoD (except for electronic/radar intelligence, which seem to work well). That means that U.S. generals have done their job and earned their McMansions, while Russian generals haven’t. The proof is in the pudding.

Posted by: S | Oct 1 2022 17:56 utc | 152

Logistically, in the current econonmic climate especially, even the full mobilization of all combined NATO members would still have difficulty matching the industrial munitions output and certainly the energy output necessary to win total war in Europe.
Who dares disagree?

Posted by: Tgl | Oct 1 2022 18:07 utc | 154

“Not at all. NATO technical intelligence—electronic, radar, satellite, cyber (social networks, messengers, email)—performs great. NATO communications perform great. NATO logistics perform well. NATO operational command performs well, quickly adapting to the situation. Neither of those things can be said about Russia’s MoD (except for electronic/radar intelligence, which seem to work well). That means that U.S. generals have done their job and earned their McMansions, while Russian generals haven’t. The proof is in the pudding.”
you do really need to fetishize nato, of course nato has the biggest *****

Posted by: salvo | Oct 1 2022 18:14 utc | 156

The head of the German Defense Ministry arrived on an unannounced visit to Odessa and promised Kiev to deliver IRIS-T air defense systems in the coming days

Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 18:18 utc | 158

I think there is one simple insight that today brought.
Russia cant take Ukraine on with their professional army. Not without recklessly leaving other areas unmanned and not after NATO intervened. They are simply not big enough. With hindsight, that is not a strange assertion is it? Russia vs the West, it was never in the bag. Incompetence, hubris, morale etc. does not matter that much in the big picture, it is there also on the other side.
Now, they shall be going in with regulars a few months from now. That is a completely different set of circumstances. Parents getting their children send back in coffins. Not easy to hold on for a long period.
We shall see. For now, they may lose more territory but later regain it. At what cost though?

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 1 2022 18:25 utc | 160

Again, we are talking about 700 killed servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But this does not stop the Kyiv authorities, does not make them think. They introduce new reserves into the battle and continue the offensive in these directions. Most stubbornly in the Krasny Liman area.
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Oct 1 2022 18:17 utc | 158
But how can we be sure Russian estimates are accurate? There is lack of proof for these large numbers – no pictures or videos of even 1/10 of that amount.

Posted by: MimiMo | Oct 1 2022 18:37 utc | 162

During military history Russian army even when winning has almost always suffered haevier losses than enemy. For instance in Winter War (1939-40) with most realistic numbers 26,000 Finns deceased whole according database studied by Pavel Petrov Soviet military lost 167,976 soldiers deceased.
So winning with huge marginal (of personal losses lower than those of enemy) has never Russian tradition. Russia has just sacrificied much more cannon fodder than enemy. Who the heck is really now thinking that Russian forces (+ Allied) has lost just 10% of men compared to Ukrainian forces? Russia is loosing ground just because its army has been unable to inflict higher enough losses to Ukraine. Forget the RF MoD claims of over 62,000 deceased UAF soldiers. It never really happened. There is no logic on it. Where are those almost 300,000 wounded Ukie soldiers? Only in RF MoD fantasies.

Posted by: Matias | Oct 1 2022 18:42 utc | 164

“But how can we be sure Russian estimates are accurate? There is lack of proof for these large numbers – no pictures or videos of even 1/10 of that amount. ”
I’m not sure about the numbers given by the russians, but it is plausible imho that being constantly targeted by superior artillery causes huge losses esp if one is on the offensive. Even the pro-ukrainian western media (such as NYT), not known for being objective, admit that the ukrainians suffer huge, “massive” losses. Of course, if you believe that the russian military is crap as some here do then those numbers may seem implausible

Posted by: salvo | Oct 1 2022 18:48 utc | 166

How is it so difficult to understand that 7-8 waves of mobilisation have given Ukraine nummerical superiority? Combine that with what? 80-100 billion Dollars worth of equipment and NATO intelligence and you get results. War is a numbers game. Ukraine knew where Russian forces were thinned out and struck there. For Ukraine, 1k-5k losses dont matter, they have enough mobilized.
What the Russian army or the politicians failed to do, was to either give up on the Ukraine war earlier or mobilize. They knew NATO was pumping up Ukraine with military equipment, they knew NATO was giving intelligence and they knew Ukraine had nummerical superiority. And still, they kept their template of slowly grinding down forces that had no value for Ukraine, while Ukraine build their strike groups. That fault is with the Russian military and/or political leadership.
Those failures have been fixed with the mobilisation, but it takes time for the results to come in. Ukraine is using this window for territorial gains. But that doesnt matter in the grand picture. Western ppl who comment here and side with Ukraine get satisfaction out of it and disregard what will happen in a couple of weeks. This denial was happening to Russians before mobilisation, its now just reversed happening to Ukraine’s supporters.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Oct 1 2022 18:52 utc | 168

@163 MimiMo
The Russian figures on Ukrainian losses are not accurate. They are fantasy. Fiction. Not dissimilar to the US and their body counts in Vietnam.
The Russian Ministry of Defence account of the battle is more fiction than fact. The only things that are accurate are location names, and even then I would check them out first.
Posted by: Tom UK | Oct 1 2022 18:48 utc | 166
Do you think there is some formula for Russian claims? Like if on a day they say 300 total died, that the real number is 1/2, 1/3, etc. of that? I mean, do you think when they claim almost 700 that more were killed than when they claim around 300?
Do you have any idea they aren’t arming the Donbass fighters better? Is it the lack of support of the majority of Russians why Russia is not putting as much resources into this fight as it needs?

Posted by: MiniMo | Oct 1 2022 18:57 utc | 170

p.s.
If US didn’t do this, it is in US’s best interest to insure key nations can monitor and possibly participate in the investigation. This is the ONLY WAY US can make sure it doesn’t get the tail, if it is in a karmic boy that cried wolf sort of way actually innocent.

Posted by: unfortunately | Oct 1 2022 18:58 utc | 172

All these fuckers, creamed us off. Nortel took the remnants of my ICL Pension scheme, and cos I have an unusual name, found my address in London.
The administrators of Nortel a Canadian Company, sent me several letters, and offered me a buyout from what was left.
You can have £45 or £2 a month.
I replied Thanks, I will take the £2 a month
Seriously impressed that they traced me.
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 1 2022 19:00 utc | 174

Russian Telegram channel Hard Blog on supply problems (September 28, 2022):

The behavior of the people is very inspiring and the blockheadedness of the Ministry of Defense is very disappointing. Everyone already knows that there are supply problems. The Ministry of Defense stubbornly pretends that nothing special is happening. Not a single liberal discredits the course of the SMO as much as our generals, who believe that they are in some kind of military sect, in which voicing problems is taboo and betrayal.
“Your fly is open, zip it.”
“Firstly, it is not open, and secondly, I will not zip it.”
Tell us already that in the course of the SMO shortcomings and omissions in the rear support of the troops have been revealed. Proceedings are being held, shortcomings are being eliminated, but for now, dear citizens⁠—sell, rent, donate us quadcopters, thermal imagers, night-vision goggles. Help with sleeping bags, polyurethane foam mats and tactical backpacks. Bring tourniquets and bandages. Donate folding cots. We will be grateful, and after the SMO we will not forget to award everyone with at least a certificate of appreciation.
You will be bombarded with all these items. But no, they are pretending with a straight face that everything is fine. And in the end, it seems that everyone knows that you have problems, except for yourself. Can you stop making yourself look like idiots? In short, Ministry of Defense, zip your fly, fucker, and be more flexible already. Remember that the army and the people are one. When carrying out mobilization you can’t do without the people, but to ask them for a sleeping bag—no, no, otherwise they will start asking questions where the money went. Stop fearing for your skins [careers — S], start fearing for the soldiers already.

Posted by: S | Oct 1 2022 19:05 utc | 176

is liman still in russia? or crimea? i think putin better organize some new music party and great military games. western leaders are walking around in odessa and promise shiny new weapons. how on earth 40.000 ukros walking around freely? and the ROW support is on the thin line already…i know i know, slow is better, winter is coming, it’s part of the 5D chess, blah, blah, blah…in tommorow’s news: russia is retreat from moscow in better fortified position in orderly manner…

Posted by: denazi | Oct 1 2022 19:13 utc | 178

Lordy, the shills are out in force today. What’s being covered up?

Posted by: Meh | Oct 1 2022 19:16 utc | 180

Source: https://www.vesti.ru/article/2969316
01 October 2022 22:01
Prigozhin supported Kadyrov’s position on Krasny Liman
Businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin supported the position of the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, around the situation in Krasny Liman.
On the page of the Concord company owned by him on the VKontakte social network, a post was published in which the words of the businessman are given. Prigozhin notes that Kadyrov’s expressive statement is, of course, not in his style, but he agrees with this. The businessman also offered to send “all these thugs” with machine guns and barefoot to the front.
Earlier, the head of Chechnya commented on the situation around Krasny Liman. Kadyrov said that the responsibility for the withdrawal of allied troops rested with the commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Alexander Lapin.
——
Interesting, that Colonel-General Alexander Lapin receives so much FLAK from Russian media..

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Oct 1 2022 19:24 utc | 182

Russian leadership is pretty pathetic. We all knew in this blog of simple joes for WEEKS that Lyman was about to fall. So it might have made more sense to do an orderly evacuation.
Why wait until last minute when its known with 99% certainty that you cannot hold this position? Why get your people captured/killed and your equipment taken??
Makes absolutely zero sense. This is very worrying as it seems Putin and his advisors are living in another reality.
Seems Russia was not ready at all for this conflict.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 1 2022 19:25 utc | 184

After the referendum, we can say that Ukraine controls more Russian land than Russia controls Ukrainian land.
Posted by: WJ | Oct 1 2022 17:45 utc | 150

Fabulous logic. Brilliant.
Let’s look at more imaginary examples:
– Country R takes over ALL of country U, but one man still remains in his house armed with a stick; “Country U controls more of country R’s land than R controls U’s land”.
– A criminal is convicted and put in jail, his money (in millions) and possessions are seized to be sold and given to his victims, but one penny remains in his pocket as he sits in jail: “He has more of the government’s money and property than the government has his”.

Posted by: Jusses | Oct 1 2022 19:29 utc | 186

Posted by: Ronald Portier | Oct 1 2022 17:31 utc | 139
Hello CIA! already plotting a new color revolution?

Posted by: Lemming | Oct 1 2022 19:33 utc | 188

It is reported that only 500 Lugansk Cossacks and Cuban Cossacks (volunteers from Russia) were defending Lyman / Krasny Liman for around 2 weeks.
Russian Armed Forces 20th Guards Combined Arms Army were providing long range artillery support without any frontline presence, according to Russian reports over the weeks.
Ukrainian forces attacking the settlement were numbering 6 to 9 thousand troops.
Lyman / Krasny Lyman has received a disproportionate amount of attention. We have never focused on this settlement, not in May, not in September. We never reported on it in depth. In our opinion, there’s one far more important battle taking place, and that is the battle for Bakhmut.
Lyman is another Snake Island. At the moment, it is the only place where the Ukrainian armed forces offensive succeeded: so it is being reported on extensively. The offensive has failed everywhere else along the entire frontline; especially in Kherson. This can always change, but factually, the only party at the moment capturing strategically important territory is the Russian side in the southern direction, specifically in Bakhmut.
That is not to minimize the tactics employed by the Ukrainians, they displayed an excellent strategy around Lyman / Krasny Lyman and there was little the small number of militia fighters could do to counter it; they just focused their tactics on the wrong place. Holding Lyman will not give the Ukrainian Armed Forces any strategic advantage. In fact, it’s highly likely that Lyman is in range of Russian artillery crews who will almost certainly level it with the ground.
For now, we’ll leave Lyman / Krasny Lyman alone and report on the situation in a few days — if there are any changes.
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Posted by: Down South | Oct 1 2022 19:44 utc | 190

Meh @181: “Lordy, the shills are out in force today. What’s being covered up?”
The captagon Nazi zombies bum rushed into an industrial shredder and overloaded it with their corpses. This allowed the Nazis zombies who overflowed from the grinder to capture a cow barn. The Empire of Lies & Delusions needs to make the most of it so they are pulling in even the second string trolls (the ones who can barely form coherent sentences). They are also refreshed from a couple days off (US military propaganda headquarters in Tampa, Florida, was closed for a couple days due to hurricane) so they are making up time now.
There are more paid trolls than legitimate posters in this thread so clearly our host has drawn the ire of imperial flunkies. They wouldn’t be wasting monies they could pocket through graft on nickel-post trolls if they didn’t feel they had to.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 1 2022 19:47 utc | 192

Down South

“It is reported that only 500 Lugansk Cossacks and Cuban Cossacks (volunteers from Russia) were defending Lyman / Krasny Liman for around 2 weeks.”

That is disgusting, so Liman was only held with volunteers! Shameful behavior by Russia, they have missiles they can use every day but they send volunteers! to defend against Nato armed ukrainian forces.
Shoigu needs to go, before Ukraine take the war towards Moscow sooner or later if this failure keeps on coming on the battlefield.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 1 2022 19:50 utc | 194

That ONE beneficiary is the Russian Federation. __This is conclusive__.
Posted by: Unfortunately | Oct 1 2022 18:53 utc | 170

See, people like you, who think in 100% logical constructions, are usually wrong about everything. I went to university (computer science and math) with people like you. It’s a bloodbath. Autistic doesn’t begin to describe it.
You’re saying that if the gas pipe sabotage somehow ends up benefiting Russia, then by logical deduction, Russia is likely the one that sabotaged the gas pipe.
But by the same reasoning, if the good people of the world eventually win this war (and become “the ONE beneficiaries” of the outcome), then logically it must have been the good people who started the war in the first place. “This is __conclusive__”.
Your logic is complete drivel.
If someone assaults me in a dark alley, and I break his face and walk away safely, and thus end up being the “ONE beneficiary”, it doesn’t mean I set up the attack.

Truth and nothing but the truth, IFF

Don’t show off with stupid notation that 99% of people don’t need to know.

Posted by: Jusses | Oct 1 2022 20:02 utc | 196

We are all just spectators to this war. I’ve heard numbers from 500 to 5000 for the number of LPR/DPR/Russians defending Lyman and numbers from 6000 – 20000 for the Ukrainians attacking.
The LPR/DPR/Russians now appear to have abandoned the town – or I should say the ruins of what once was a town.
Some say that Lyman was a key – somehow. yet while it was in Russian hands it did not seem to be a key to anything and with it in Ukrainian hands I’m not sure it will be a key to anything.
The Optics are certainly bad for Russia. Backing up looks bad. Even if it’s smart, being forced to back up makes one wonder why you put yourself in a position to have to back up in the first place. Backing up, makes soldiers wonder if you know what you are doing, if you are worthy to be commanding them.
It’s hard not to suspect there is a lot of rot in the Russian military – too many years of basically being a garrison force. This is a great opportunity for a house cleaning. Does the Putin government have that capability ?
Bottom line seems to be: Russia was defeated and had to backup. Defenders withdrew in good order and their defense inflicted significant losses on Ukraine. The fight continues. Ukraine continues to attack. With what purpose is unclear.

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Oct 1 2022 20:07 utc | 198

See, people like you, who think in 100% logical constructions, are usually wrong about everything.
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You’re saying that if the gas pipe sabotage somehow ends up benefiting Russia, then by logical deduction, Russia is likely the one that sabotaged the gas pipe.
Posted by: Jusses | Oct 1 2022 20:02 utc | 197
Your method of ‘not 100%’ logical constructions is a novel idea. Write a book about it and your academic credentials there.
“You’re saying that if the gas pipe sabotage somehow ends up benefiting Russia, then by logical deduction, Russia is likely the one that sabotaged the gas pipe.”
No, that is not what I said. That’s the result of your novel take on solving puzzles.
I said, whoever would undertake such a completely irresponsible action would ONLY do so if they could get away with it. IFF.
“International community” impunity of USA is not the entire picture. US can easily dismiss public opinion in EU. But it can not afford to lose the capitalist class in EU. Nor would it like it if China and India (who very recently publicly signaled some “concerns and interests”, per Putin himself) along with the rest of ruling classes in “Global South” thinks US -irrational-. Because that was a completely irresponsible act.
To repeat: whoever did this, did so with the certainty that no one can ever pin on it! Otherwise, no one would do it, even though, they ALL have “plausible deniability” and “interest”.
This is a Judo move. This is Putin. It is actually the one time that he has lived up to his reputation.
To US: US must insure that China, India, South America, Brazil, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, or people they trust are with the investigation team every step of the way. If Russia doesn’t make unreasonable demands, let them on the team too!
And just pray and hope (which I think -may- not get answered) that Russia has used the mines that YOU had earlier planted when considering blowing it up! That would be the supreme Judo kick.

Posted by: unfortunately | Oct 1 2022 20:16 utc | 200