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October 17, 2022
Three Good Pieces On The War In Ukraine

I am busy with renovation work but here are three good pieces about the war in Ukraine:

> Plainly put, the Europeans have been nicely played by the Americans. India should take note of the US’ sense of entitlement. Basically, the Biden administration created a contrived energy crisis whose real aim is war profiteering.

India should expect the defeat of the US and NATO, which completes the transition to a multipolar world order. <

> Increasingly, European publics are likely to blame the United States for policies that fuel inflation and bring on economic recession, especially as their currencies weaken against the dollar. The U.S. sanctions on Russia will be seen by many as self-serving attempts to dominate Western Europe.

A new iron curtain is now being imposed on Russia — this time by Western policy — even as the United States announces more measures to confront and “contain” an assertive China. This will result, inevitably, in more cooperation between Russia and China. Also, the increasing use of economic sanctions to achieve political purposes will encounter push-back with a greater volume of international trade conducted in national currencies other than the U.S. dollar.

As Europe is weakened and more countries suffer from U.S. sanctions, coalitions to resist U.S. dominance will flourish. Geopolitical competition will take precedence over action to deal with common problems, even as international conflict intensifies them.

What all the parties to the conflict in Ukraine seem to have forgotten is that the future of mankind will not be determined by where international borders are drawn — these have never been static in history and doubtless will continue to change from time to time. The future of mankind will be determined by whether nations learn to settle their differences peacefully. <

> What makes the "I stand with Ukraine" version of the Twitter mob unique is that it brings together two forces that used to be sworn enemies of one another—the woke Left and the neoconservative Right. It turns out they share many of the same loathsome ideological and personality traits, and have a similar "slash and burn" approach to political engagement. It's a new political marriage.

This shift is disorienting, but on a purely tactical level, it makes a certain amount of sense. Neocons invented the cancellation game before there was even a Twitter board on which to play it. Neocons arrogantly dismiss the other side's point of view as argued in bad faith and not worth considering, and label anyone who dares question the cause as a heretic or traitor.

Warping the debate in this way allows delusional and contradictory thinking to go unchallenged. Thus, we get the argument that Putin is a madman who will kill indiscriminately to achieve his aims—but he is also somehow definitely bluffing about using nuclear weapons. And he's only using that bluff because he's losing the war—but if he's not stopped in Ukraine, he will go on to conquer the rest of Europe. Putin's regime must fall because he has killed or jailed all the liberal reformers and yoked himself to a hardline Far Right, but somehow he will be replaced by a liberal reformer when his regime collapses.

It's nonsensical, and a real debate would expose some of the delusions in this thinking. But we aren't allowed to have one.

As long as this woke-neocon alliance is allowed to set the terms of the debate, we will continue to see a one-way ratchet toward greater and more dangerous escalation of this conflict. <

Comments

@97: finally someone who mentions Kropotkin again! If only Mutual aid would have had the influence on Western thought that misguided interpretations of Darwin had, our economics and politics might not have gone off rail like now! Without hysterics, one may call Kropotkin’s book a key work if humanity itself wants to survive.
@294: ah yes, even if Russian cruise missiles keep hitting too, some trolls keep saying that Russia only has Iranian weapons left. Meanwhile NATO seems to be scraping the barrel to deliver some or other hardware. But another consequence of the Russian-Iranian cooperation now: I don’t think Israel will atempt an attack by air of Iran anymore, because the Iranian drones will most probably have been paid with Russian air defence systems (and these just broke the record for a long-range kill). This is, I admit, mutual aid of Homo ferox and not Kropotkin’s Homo ludens or Homo amans. We can but hope that the breaking up of the monopolar world will lead to some peace at last and that future politics will be able to combine mutual aid with non-interference. Jumping over the dead-end of USA politics will be very dangerous for all of us however.

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 18 2022 17:04 utc | 301

@237Zanon:
Is Zanon an alternative spelling of Zelensky?

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 18 2022 17:07 utc | 302

aristodemos | Oct 18 2022 17:02 utc | 297
Part of the answer is as you say, another part is know your enemy – Xi went to the US briefly enough, Wang Huning for longer, came back with a remarkable vision for development
Anyone trying to understand his country, the capitalist world order, and how they may function would be advised to attend to US education and it’s deficiences, just as a previous generation attended to UK ditto
The main interest of an education system is the means and degree of cohesion and efficiency by which it disciplines prejudice and propoganda and provides a simulacrum of class consciousness
This is always of prime interest to alien élites whether sympathetic or hostile
Marko is an idiot desperate to mouth the N word, but too afraid of his whips to do so

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 18 2022 17:15 utc | 303

“Ohs noes! The US is now shipping MaxPADs and LARP-FaRTs to the Ukopians! It’s doom! DOOM for Russia, I tell you!”
Some people should really turn off their TVs and tune out the mass media on the Web. Not everyone, of course, but certainly those prone to hysteria should avoid the boobtube and the news aggregator sites on the Internet. You should get a hobby (try crocheting, for example) and try to develop a bit of inner calm. Leave parsing the imperial media to those who are more qualified and who have the emotional and intellectual fortitude to wade through the disinformation and shrug off the lies without getting caught up in the spin. Individuals such as our host here at MoA can fish the nuggets of truth out of the maelstrom of bullshit and live to tell the tale with sanity intact. This is clearly not the case for some of the posters here. Turn off the TV and, like magic, you’ll be able to cut back on the Xanax and Prozac.
As for the arguments “That is an imperial stink tank!” and “That rag is an Establishment media orifice!” followed by “You shouldn’t read them! They always lie!”, that is true up to a point.
Know, however, that the Empire of Delusion has many moving parts. These parts need to be managed and coordinated, and those doing the managing and coordinating need to know at least some of what is going on to do their jobs. To keep the imperial managers partially informed, the imperial media and the stink tanks will leak out fragments of what they consider to be the truth. Those fragments will be coded (ex: “democracy” substituted for “imperial hegemony” “freedom” standing in for “corporate impunity”) but otherwise they will be true to the best of the presstitutes’ and stink tankers’ ability.
The average reader will just pick up on the presstitutes’ false surface narratives, but a more careful reader can find disguised truth… or at least what the imperials honestly consider to be the truth. This is why criticism of our host referencing pro-empire sources is misplaced.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 18 2022 17:17 utc | 304

aristodemos | Oct 18 2022 17:02 utc | 297
I should add – what is most revealing about the comparative state of knowledge between RoW élites and EUUS is that the one has studied and reflected on the other, and provides the results of such analysis both in public policy, statements and in current constructive actions
Au contraire- the main concern of the USEU is to maintain some façade of cohesion through depriving their populations of any recourse to information or to reason, via a maintenance of ignorance and passivity through propoganda and extortion

Posted by: Gerrard White | Oct 18 2022 17:25 utc | 305

“What all the parties to the conflict in Ukraine seem to have forgotten is that the future of mankind will not be determined by where international borders are drawn — these have never been static in history and doubtless will continue to change from time to time. The future of mankind will be determined by whether nations learn to settle their differences peacefully.”
This is an amazingly idiotic statement when it comes to Russia, ignoring the simple fact that Russia has tried exactly that for the last 7 years with regards to Ukraine, and it is as well idiotic with regards to the USA, who since its inception has involved itself in wars on an almost continuous base, be it against the native population, Mexico, Canada, against itself, against the Philippines, Germany, Korea, Japan, Grenada, Libya Russia, Syria,….
https://www.veteransforpeace.org/files/3513/3227/0400/a_century_of_MILITARY_INTERVENTIONS.pdf
https://sites.evergreen.edu/zoltan/wp-content/uploads/sites/358/2019/11/InterventionsList2019.pdf

Posted by: Peter M | Oct 18 2022 17:25 utc | 306

Here we go again – Ukraine attack Russia, lets see what the denial-trolls here say about this:

Ukrainian army is shelling Bryanskaya region in Russia. As you see in the video, Ukraine (read: NATO) are fighting civilian houses as usual.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/11942
Bryanskaya lies deeper inside Russia than the more attacked region of Belgograd.
In other news Kherson, that voted to join RF, are now facing a offensive by Ukraine. Again, no defense put up obviously after referendum. A matter of time before Kherson falls too.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 18 2022 17:30 utc | 307

@ 266
Crime stats have always been meaningless and moreso now than ever. Calling the cops is plain dangerous, crime is not reported. Many property crimes are re-classified was reparations. Marihuana used to be a huge moneymaker for whole criminal justice system, now it is legal and all dispensaries are mob owned. Police are still, everywhere, the biggest and best organized gang in town. Anyone who lives here knows how bad it has become.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 18 2022 17:30 utc | 308

Posted by: Peio | Oct 17 2022 22:19 utc | 95
“Humans have an animal component, we are gregarious. But We are, too, individual, that is, spiritual.”
* * *
In this you are quite correct. But you might also consider a major difference between humans and animals:
Animals would never allow the dumbest ones to lead the pack.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Oct 18 2022 17:38 utc | 309

General Surovikin is making a whole bunch of statements now regarding almost all aspects of SMO.
“The situation in the SVO zone is tense.
Ukrainians and I are one people and we want Ukraine to be independent from the West and NATO, to be in friendly relations with Russia.
The enemy does not abandon attempts to attack the positions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, first of all, these are Kupyansk, Krasnolimansk, Mykolaiv-Krivoy Rog directions.
Ukraine is attracting all available reserves to the front. Theroborona forces prevail among them. They are sent to slaughter
The enemy is a criminal regime that pushes the citizens of Ukraine to death.
Every day the enemy’s losses range from 600 to 1000 people killed and wounded.
We do not strive for high rates of tension, methodically grind the enemy and move forward. We are saving the lives of our soldiers and civilians
The latest hypersonic aviation missiles “Dagger” have proven themselves well in hitting objects. Russian UAVs have completed more than 8000 sorties.
The special operation confirmed the effectiveness of the aviation complexes and air defense systems in service in the Russian Federation.
The Russian grouping of troops is increasing its composition, creating reserves and erecting defensive positions along the entire line of contact.
And also from Surovikin.
The Ukrainian authorities use nationalist detachments against their military, who shoot everyone who tries to leave the battlefield
There is evidence of the possibility of Kiev using prohibited methods of war in the Kherson area, preparing a missile strike on the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric dam
There is a difficult situation in the Kherson direction. The enemy strikes at critical infrastructure. There are problems with water and electricity supply in Kherson. This is a direct threat to their families.
The NATO leadership has been demanding offensive actions from the Kiev regime for a long time. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will ensure the safe, already announced departure of the population under the resettlement program being prepared by the Russian government
In these conditions, our main task is to preserve the lives and health of citizens and our military personnel, this is a priority for us. We will act consciously, not excluding the possibility of making the most difficult decisions.”

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 18 2022 17:45 utc | 310

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 18 2022 15:44 utc | 285

The whole idea with the new system was to make direct transactions,

Wrong. The whole idea is to make transactions in whatever way gets the job done.
Moreover, this “new system” you’re inventing is not the point, where you fished it out of I have no idea.
In either case, the transactions happen.
Things are bought and sold.
The desired result is obtained.
Nobody gives a shit if they’re direct or not.


that is the whole point that they do not have to fear sanctions,

No. That is not the point at all.
The fear of sanctions only applies to banks with significant transacting links with West.
As I stated, and as your dry-drunk addled brain missed, not all banks of India (or for that matter China, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc …) are such banks
and are set up specifically to transact DIRECTLY and INDIRECTLY with each other using non-SWIFT links.
They are also set up in such a way as to make them immune to sanctions.
How? Simple – their entire existence is to serve as transaction brokers with sanctioned states … TA-DA!!

they have their own system, that system is not working, that is the point of the article in Reuters/RT.

No. That was indeed not the point of the article.
The point of the article was to show that certain types of financial institutions (see comment above) were hesitant due to their exposure to Western sanctions.
This has nothing to do with your claim that transactions between Russia and India are being shut down in any meaningful way.
The fact is that Russia-India transactions will continue for years to come – sanctions or not. In rupee. yuan. rouble. Dinar. Dirham. Gold. Virtual Credits. Whatever.

There is no such thing a “indirect” transaction lol, because there is no contact at all between the parties:

Bullshit. If this was true there’d be no such thing as money laundering.

An Indian diplomat told the outlet that Russian banks had requested that India’s eight largest lenders organize settlement in the local currency, but had not received any response.

And the next day the ‘Indian diplomat’ probably said something else – as Indian Diplomats are wont to do.
This Indian diplomat must have been Jesus, right?

Friggin querulant!

Chill, it’s just facts, bro. Perhaps you’re past your bedtime ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 18 2022 17:53 utc | 311

[Attributed to Surovikin:]
In these conditions, our main task is to preserve the lives and health of citizens and our military personnel, this is a priority for us. We will act consciously, not excluding the possibility of making the most difficult decisions.”
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 18 2022 17:45 utc | 310

Yikes! Am I reading it right? That sounds an awful lot like a retreat from Kherson city is a real possibility.

Posted by: Mike314159 | Oct 18 2022 18:08 utc | 312

Posted by: Mike314159 | Oct 18 2022 18:08 utc | 312
“Yikes! Am I reading it right? That sounds an awful lot like a retreat from Kherson city is a real possibility.”
No. As usual, you are reading it wrong.
In case you missed the point, he stated, “our main task is to preserve the lives and health of citizens and our military personnel, this is a priority for us.”
What is it about the above statement that you don’t understand?

Posted by: GreyRaven | Oct 18 2022 18:18 utc | 313

Kherson region will be defended with all the forces and means of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation – Acting Governor of the Kherson region Vladimir Saldo

https://t.me/intelslava/39564
Yeah right…
Russia could bomb the massing troops outside of Kherson right now or are they totally incompetent?? Instead they wait and will let Ukraine invade Kherson and thus destroy the whole of Kherson with russian shelling: that no one wants to go back and live in.
Terrible strategy.

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 18 2022 18:24 utc | 314

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 18 2022 18:24 utc | 314
Kherson may or may not get destroyed, which is unfortunate fact of life. But regardless, so will the whole 100+ k ukie and mercenary grouping with it.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 18 2022 18:27 utc | 315

Posted by: GreyRaven | Oct 18 2022 18:18 utc | 313
Lives and health he said. Not territory. They may retreat if that is better for preserving lives than staying. Nothing strange about it, it is how it is in a war. Live now to fight another day. And fight they will.
Its just the hordes of commentators here will be deafening for a while.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 18 2022 18:29 utc | 316

alek_a
LOL already laying the ground for the defeat?
When Ukraine do the same it is a loss, when Russia move out it is a…win according to guys like you.
Lets see how you will frame the retreat when it became an obvious fact.
I bet something like:
“Kherson was not important anyway”
“Russia have a secret strategy, just wait”

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 18 2022 18:49 utc | 317

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 18 2022 18:49 utc | 317
How will I frame an eventual retreat?
A country fighting a war with an Empire. Making the most of its means at any given moment.
That someone is actually standing up to do this fight is amazing.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 18 2022 19:40 utc | 318

Please let us stop feeding this Zanon troll: he is not interested in serious discussion, only in nagging and harping on the “Russia is weak” silly story. A bilious character I guess, prone to self-combustion (let’s hope…).

Posted by: Anthony | Oct 18 2022 19:50 utc | 319

@tonyuk
Quote.”Such evil comes from the USA, not The UK
Us British might be cunts, but we have never been that evil”
What an evil thing to say.
England is the centre of evil Satan. Real Satan which lives on stolen money of other nations eventoday.
Origin of economic migrant problem, is stealing of 3rd World wealth by English pirate nation even today.
London and England lives off stolen money being brought by oligarchs from those countries which England has plotted to destabilize in last 30 years on a daily basis.
Those oligarchs are encouraged to come to England to deposit their stolen money in british bank. A real pig Pirate state.
Brits steal their resources, leaving an empty shell in the end.
That impoverishes those victim countries whose oligarchs have brought money to English pirates.
If elites of 3rd World refuse to bring money to UK then they face Maidan and colour revolutions staged by british and american spy agencies. So they have to comply.
Fact is that 60 percent of english economy is money and drug laundering established by the english govt since ’80s. That is the reason refugees are created.. in victim countries whose creamy layer has been siphoned off to England pirate island.
(In 90s Russia was looted by England to tune of trillion of dollars so Russian poverty rate jumped from 1.5 % in S. U. time to 50 % in 90s) while London and British economy grows with only two recession in last 25 years.
To the Englishmen, Well you plunder their land and resources, help to keep dictators in powers, create Taliban and ISIS to further your geopolitical agendas then what do you expect.?
kick England out of Europe completely. Do not encourage parasites in Europe.
American diplomat-scholar George Kennan once wrote about the oil reserves in Persian Gulf — they are “our resources”, he wrote, integral to America’s prosperity and, therefore, the US should take control of them. (Which it did, of course.)
Second, the England and usa spent decades contributing to regime change and destabilization in Latin America, Eastern Europe, Middle East, Africa and South East Asia . We can’t help set someone’s house on fire and then blame them for fleeing.”
the Cayman Islands, Panama, Liberia and all the places that began to be set up by the mining companies, the oil companies and those that were set up beginning in the 1960s, essentially, by the CIA to finance the Vietnam War by making America, like England, the home for criminal capital and flight capital.
BTW – Immigrating to country X does not mean that you approve/like/are inspired by country X or its native people, this is especially true when country X is the one which destroyed your own country of origin.
Immigration is an extremely stressful exercise, even when done in very comfortable conditions, and even more so when done under adverse ones.
Remember that americans did a coupe in Iran in 1953 not for american interest but for the british company, a forerunner of british petroleum, and in close chaoot with the british government.
. It was the BBC who broadcast secret codes giving Kermit Roosevelt the green light to initiate the coup in Iran.
All the wars done by by USA have been done at prompting by the english plotters.
Pot calling kettle black!
While trumpeting the war cry ‘freedom and democracy’, from its foundation the England and its satellite US have been a sworn enemy of both concepts. They have never in their monstrous history overthrown a dictatorship and allowed anybody to elect their own leaders. On the contrary, they have consistantly and repeatedly staged coups against democratic governments and assassinated elected leaders in order to install puppet tyrants willing to let the yanks enslave their people and plunder their countries.

Posted by: Sam | Oct 18 2022 20:34 utc | 320

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 19 2022 8:14 utc | 321

I hope General Armageddon will publish his list of the 200

That would be anti-semitic …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2022 3:48 utc | 321

30% of power plants have been destroyed … Zelenskiy.
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 18 2022 15:20 utc | 282
afaik via various sources zero power plants have been destroyed.
Some power plants have been damaged, but none destroyed. Several transformers and grid equipment etc have been destroyed, others damaged, and some later repaired, that’s all.
I think this might be why rybar and others labelled Zelenskys comment as an exaggeration.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 19 2022 7:58 utc | 322

I hope General Armageddon will publish his list of the 200 responsible for all ills in the West. Would be clarifying and help galvanize The Resistance.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 19 2022 8:14 utc | 323

Posted by: Zanon | Oct 18 2022 16:49 utc | 298

Electricity in various areas are already being fixed. So what did Russia win? Obviously nothing.

Since you know everything, explain the
a) cost of repair and
b) the time to repair
c) financial impact to dependent infrastructure
… everytime a large transformer or sub-station is hit?
You think the corrupt cesspool that is Ukraine has German-like levels of efficiency in infrastructure maintenance?
Any normal country would be bankrupt after a few rounds of having it’s grid smashed by 30% each time.
In fact, if you really want to screw a country get them into a cycle of endless repair of major national infrastructure, bleed them dry. Just when they replace a few hundred big expensive transformers form Siemens AG, bomb it all over again.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2022 8:18 utc | 324

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 19 2022 7:58 utc | 322
Posted by: Paulg | Oct 18 2022 15:20 utc | 282

30% of power plants have been destroyed … Zelenskiy.
afaik via various sources zero power plants have been destroyed.

Assume Zelenskiy is lying, because that’s what Zelenskiy does. Then either:
1. It’s more than 30% (40% seems fair)
2. It’s less than 30% (let’s say 15%)
Between 40% at worst and 15% at best all this was done in a few days of bombing.
In a world where standard large transformers take a week to source (incredibly optimistic) and major transformers need to be factory made (1 month, highly optimistic), even at 15% per week – Ukraine is f**ked.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2022 8:30 utc | 325

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2022 8:30 utc | 325
Addendum:
Basically Ukraine’s ability to repair it’s grid is competing with Russia’s ability to bomb it. I don’t fancy the odds on the former …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2022 8:31 utc | 326

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 19 2022 8:14 utc | 323
I think you may be mixing up Solovyov – with General Sergei Surovikin and Yevgeny Satanovsky? (but if I have this wrong, sorry)
There is the TV show The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov Tuesday night, who had Yevgeny Satanovsky who said “There aren’t 1.5 billion people directing the process from the other side, but about one to two hundred. They should realize that if push comes to shove, that means the end of them, personally…”
eg he went on:
Satanovsky confirmed having drafted a list of such names, and Solovyov promptly dubbed it “The Satanovsky List.” The pundit surmised: “In the Book of Life, we also create entries for ourselves. ‘The Satanovsky List’? Perhaps. We should be doing these sorts of things, because any attempt to negotiate with [Volodymyr] Zelensky or Biden would be like making a deal with your killer.”
Satanovsky said he gets enraged when people suggest that peace is better than war. “No, peace is not better. There will be no peace. The goal of these people is for our country not to exist, for the people who live here not to exist and even for the language we speak to be gone—or even a memory that any of that ever existed,” he said. “They want to make an entry in an encyclopedia: ‘There used to be Russians, there used to be Russia—but now it’s gone.’”

Personally, I would find it very very hard to keep it under 200.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 19 2022 8:40 utc | 327

Arch Bungle @325 points out how major electrical grid components take time to be replaced once the spares run out. I would like to point out that these major grid components were all produced in the Soviet Union. We know that they have not been upgraded in the Ukraine since 1991 because nothing has been upgraded in the Ukraine since 1991. The Ukraine has been neglecting their own infrastructure for three decades because that infrastructure is of Soviet origin and they have been programmed like meat robots to hate anything Soviet. Basically, like Catholics with their “original sin” and woketards with their “identity politics” they have been programmed to hate themselves! (Very convenient ‘handle’ to control people with)
Anyway, after any spare parts for the Ukraine’s grid are consumed then they are seriously out of luck. Everything from that point forward will have to be custom built. You can be certain that useless deadbeat western Ukrainians will not be doing any of that building. They are just prostitutes, social media “influencers”, and coffee franchise “baristas” who make lattes from pre-measured concentrate. All they can do is consume, not create.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2022 9:59 utc | 328

You think the corrupt cesspool that is Ukraine has German-like levels of efficiency in infrastructure maintenance?
Any normal country would be bankrupt after a few rounds of having it’s grid smashed by 30% each time.
In fact, if you really want to screw a country get them into a cycle of endless repair of major national infrastructure, bleed them dry. Just when they replace a few hundred big expensive transformers form Siemens AG, bomb it all over again.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2022 8:18 utc | 324
If they can use Siemens hardware. Back in March when Russia bombed railway infrastructure, they said that it was Soviet make – and Ukraine only had a limited supply of spare parts. Most Ukrainian infrastructure dates back to the Soviet era. If they need to switch to Siemens hardware, a lot more changes might and will be needed. A lot more training will be needed to operate that new infrastructure.
I doubt Siemens engineers will operate in the war zone. Or that they will work at all before payment for services and products is secured.
The “bleeding them dry” is already happening. The Russians don’t wait for 100 transformers to be built, and lets face it: we wouldn’t build transformers anyway, but MLRS systems. Much more important to the West than infrastructure.

Posted by: Martina | Oct 19 2022 10:10 utc | 329

Four good pieces: War and Regrets in Ukraine

The Ukrainian-victory narrative admittedly benefits hugely from Western media that actively “tune out” opposing views and depict Russia and its armed forces in the worst possible light. The fact that nearly half a century of the Cold War conditioned Americans to think the worst of Russians certainly helps.
Yet there is also a measure of “true faith” at work, a condition of national narcissism, inside the Beltway that believes Washington can control what happens thousands of miles away in Eastern Ukraine. The message resonates in Congress because it rests on a critical strategic assumption that American citizens have yet to challenge: that American national power is limitless and unconstrained—as though a series of strategic failures, from Vietnam to Afghanistan, never happened.
[…]
In view of Ukraine’s bleak prospects of ever regaining lost territory and its deteriorating strategic health, Ukraine’s future now rests in Russian hands. For Washington, there is a morally responsible and practical answer: Kiev should stop the bloodletting and make the best possible peace with Moscow it can. Unfortunately, for Washington this solution is unthinkable.
As long as Washington delivers cash, military assistance, and equipment to Ukraine, Kiev will fight its unwinnable war, and Washington’s ruling political class will profit from the transfer of cash to the Pentagon and the U.S. Defense Industrial Base. But Washington, its NATO allies, and Ukrainians will gain nothing of strategic value, while Russia is likely to grow stronger. That is a development Washington will regret.
Douglas Macgregor, Col. (ret.)
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/war-and-regrets-in-ukraine/

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 19 2022 10:45 utc | 330

Personally, I would find it very very hard to keep it under 200.
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 19 2022 8:40 utc | 327
Thanks for the correction. I did indeed confuse the names, moreover I thought Satanovski was a joke. Long thread! Hopefully General Armageddon watches television and can order Satanovski to give him that list and publish it worldwide. Then certain people with Armageddon bunkers in Paraguay and New Zealand might feel a little less smug.
Nah.. . It will just be labeled a Russian disinformation conspiracy theory and the people, always eager to obey, will think how they are suggested with nary a bleat.
Probably a few thousand in each country but maybe you really can drill down to only a Council of 300 type power players.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 19 2022 10:57 utc | 331

Posted by: Martina | Oct 19 2022 10:10 utc | 329

If they can use Siemens hardware. Back in March when Russia bombed railway infrastructure, they said that it was Soviet make … The “bleeding them dry” is already happening. The Russians don’t wait for 100 transformers to be built …

I was trying to imagine the rosiest outcome (from the Ukrainian PoV) but this just shows how royally screwed the Zelenskiyites are.
Yes, indeed, whatever is replacing the switchgear it’s not likely to be Siemens, Westinghouse, or anything from the late/post Soviet era.
In other words, Ukraine is done. Stick a fork in it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2022 13:33 utc | 332

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 19 2022 10:45 utc | 330
I find it odd and maybe hugely misinformed to see people who think
the US still has an “Industrial Base”, gone long ago.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 19 2022 13:59 utc | 333

@ Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 19 2022 13:59 utc | 333
The US has a huge industrial base but a small industrial workforce. The big issue for American industry is that offshoring and just-in-time logistics, all oriented toward maximizing profits, has relocated much of the US’s supply chain (at least for consumer goods) overseas to countries the US is now hostile to.
But will “reshoring” help the US strategically? If the US were a centrally planned war economy, yes, but it is not that, it is a capitalist economy where profitability is the single most important industrial consideration. “Reshoring” will eliminate the already razor thin margins of American industry, as these margins have been premised on the superexploitation of Chinese labor, an outcome of mutual interests of the US and China from Nixon’s opening up of relations with the People’s Republic, to Obama’s “pivot to Asia”. US capital got access to the world’s industrial reserve army, Chinese capital got some technology transfers, both countries had explosive growth rates that reversed the stagflation the US experienced in the 70s and enabled China to urbanize and establish itself as a (relatively) “middle class” country.
Now that’s run its course. The rate of profit for US capital is back in the doldrums. Wage growth in China means declining profitability of exploitation there. But there is no new mass of proletarianized labor to exploit in a country with a stable government and tied up labor movement. “Reshoring” will mean a decline in relative surplus value for US capital, and this will only be resolved through the immiseration of the American working class (already being carried out by capitalists’ raising consumer good prices to shore up their declining profit margins).
Pax Americana is fini. The US will lash out as it declines. But China has 1.4 billion people, and that’s a lot of heads to rub together when it comes to catching up to the US technologically. In some areas, like quantum computing (whose industrial applications remain somewhat up in the air), the US is already falling behind. There is no reason, besides anti-Chinese racism, to expect China to fall behind as the US decouples. But American angloids are arrogant racists and we shouldn’t put anything past them in that regard. I’ve been told all sorts of racist things about the Chinese, which is remarkable hubris.

Posted by: fnord | Oct 19 2022 14:31 utc | 334

“America has a ‘Yuuuge!’ industrial base, just that it is in other countries!”
Thanks! That was funny!

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2022 18:38 utc | 335

The title “A War Russia Set to Win” speaks clearly of the author lacking the analytical tool of the spiritual dimension. Understood through the framework of Abrahamic scriptures, Russia is set to win the first round of WWIII whereas the second will be a crushing defeat through the US, NATO and Commonwealth using their HAARP scalar weapons.
Media studies has shown that a message has three parts in the sender, the message itself and finally in the receiver. On top of that a message can be read in two different ways, either as the sender intended it or in accordance to the (here grossly inadequate) framework of understanding of the receiver.
After WWIII is over there will be no functional non-military computers or other electronic devices, the world will be in a post cataclysmic state. If we today are clueless regarding what truly led to the outbreak of WWII, such as the 1938 Munich Congress most of us have not even heard off and much less know of its content, then the future public will be even more clueless about the factors during the last decade or two that led to WWIII.
Both the mass media, bloggers and people commenting on geopolitical and news sites have for many years now, at the very least since Russia entered Syria in September 2015, repeated that WWIII has already started. An Abrahamic framework of understanding would explain that all of the (primarily) US’s contradictory policies versus what they state they want one day, and state another thing another day, all these headlines of war and miseries were not primarily aimed at the contemporary audience. Rather headlines have been manufactured from the get-go with the primary aim of catering the post cataclysmic audience, who will read them exactly as we read pre WWII headlines today. We don’t go much deeper than that and after all, there was a whole lot more than the Munich Conference that led to that war.
So much for logic, but what has Abrahamic scriptures go to do with this? Why would the elites running the US, NATO, Commonwealth and very many if not most other countries aim to fulfil the Book of Revelation and its equivalent chapters within the Koran? Because their bloodlines have written all scriptures as their rule over humanity has always been done twofold, through the nobility which ruled over our bodies and all things worldly (until the Mercantilist/merchant/banker cast flipped the table on them), and through the clergy who ruled over our souls.
The bloodlines of the Ourboros (the snake that eats its own tail; shifts the world) knows that humanity is becoming a growing threat and within years will have flipped the tables on them just like the Mercantilists/Liberals did on them 500 years ago. Hence the feudal trinity partnered with the bankster cast have no alternative than to manufacture the End Times. Everything that Albert Pike wrote about how WWI, WWII and WWIII will come about has come true.
http://www.ourladyisgod.com/i-third-secret-of-fatima-wwiii.php

Posted by: rockwool99 | Oct 22 2022 9:12 utc | 336

All this nonsense is going on while Asia is colonizing the UK, Africa is colonizing Western Europe and South America and the Caribbean is colonizing the US.

Posted by: Befree | Oct 25 2022 12:08 utc | 337