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October 23, 2022
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2022-180

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…. the centralization of power clearly going on raises red flags.
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 24 2022 18:47 utc | 77
Could you please explain the thinking (background facts) that says (if I get your point accurately) the political system in China is any more centralized today than last week, or a decade ago, or 30 years ago?
Then assuming it can be shown that it is more centralized, then, what are the red flags being raised?
I’m not looking for an argument, I simply would like some specifics as opposed to “talking around the issues” (which seems to be the standard MO here more often than is helpful.)
I do not like being forced to guess or make huge leaps of assumption as to what people mean by what they say. I won’t do it. And if you or anyone else doesn’t want to explain more specifically what you mean (or talking to) that’s fine too. No big deal. Thanks

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 6:19 utc | 101

fwiw via Pepe Escobar
The Hu affair.
CONFIRMED by a very special source with close connections with the Politburo.
Hu has Alzheimer’s. Sometimes he’s lucid, hence he was deemed fit enough to attend the Party Congress.
Yet during the meeting “he relapsed multiple times, so his doctor decided that he should leave.” And that’s why he seemed reluctant to leave, his mind was…elsewhere.
t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/5291
19.9K views
Oct 23 at 16:20
( I cannot know if this is trustworthy or not, but have no reason to doubt it, plus other sources have stated as much, ie alzheimers is the issue, and nothing else needs to be read into it. Underlying Hard Fact about Life: People get old – even the Chinese. )

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 7:13 utc | 102

fwiw related to earlier queries/comments on China an extract from page 14>
Hold High the Great Banner of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics and Strive in Unity to
Build a Modern Socialist Country in All Respects
Report to the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China
October 16, 2022 (Speech by) XiJinping

II. A New Frontier in Adapting Marxism to the Chinese Context and the Needs of the Times
Marxism is the fundamental guiding ideology upon which our Party and
our country are founded and thrive. Our experience has taught us that, at the
fundamental level, we owe the success of our Party and socialism with
Chinese characteristics to the fact that Marxism works, particularly when it is
adapted to the Chinese context and the needs of our times. The sound
theoretical guidance of Marxism is the source from which our Party draws its
firm belief and conviction and which enables our Party to seize the historical
initiative.
Adapting Marxism to the Chinese context and the needs of the times is a
process of seeking, revealing, and applying truth. With new changes and
practical demands emerging both in and outside of China since the 18th
National Congress, there was an urgent need for us to provide in-depth
theoretical and practical answers to a series of epochal questions on the cause
of the Party and the country as well as the Party’s governance of China.
With the courage to make theoretical explorations and innovations, our
Party has, from an entirely new perspective, deepened its understanding of
the laws that underlie governance by a communist party, the development of
socialism, and the evolution of human society. It has achieved major
theoretical innovations, which are encapsulated in the Thought on Socialism
with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era. The main elements of this theory
are summarized in the 10 affirmations, the 14 commitments, and the 13 areas
of achievement that were articulated at the 19th National Congress and the
Sixth Plenary Session of the 19th Party Central Committee
, all of which we
must adhere to over the long term and continue to enrich and develop.
Chinese Communists are keenly aware that only by integrating the basic
tenets of Marxism with China’s specific realities and fine traditional culture
and only by applying dialectical and historical materialism can we provide
correct answers to the major questions presented by the times and discovered
through practice and can we ensure that Marxism always retains its vigor and
vitality. To uphold and develop Marxism, we must integrate it with China’s
specific realities. Taking Marxism as our guide means applying its worldview
and methodology to solving problems in China; it does not mean memorizing
and reciting its specific conclusions and lines, and still less does it mean
treating it as a rigid dogma. We must continue to free our minds, seek truth
from facts, move with the times, and take a realistic and pragmatic approach.
We must base everything we do on actual conditions and focus on solving
real problems arising in our reform, opening up, and socialist modernization
endeavors in the new era. We must keep responding to the questions posed
by China, by the world, by the people, and by the times; in doing so, we
should find the right answers suited to the realities of China and the needs of
our day, reach conclusions that are compatible with objective laws, and
develop new theories that are in step with the times, so as to provide better
guidance for China’s practice.
To uphold and develop Marxism, we must integrate it with China’s fine
traditional culture. Only by taking root in the rich historical and cultural soil
of the country and the nation can the truth of Marxism flourish here. With a
history stretching back to antiquity, China’s fine traditional culture is
extensive and profound; it is the crystallization of the wisdom of Chinese
civilization. Our traditional culture espouses many important principles and
concepts, including pursuing common good for all; regarding the people as
the foundation of the state; governing by virtue; discarding the outdated in
favor of the new; selecting officials on the basis of merit; promoting harmony
between humanity and nature; ceaselessly pursuing self-improvement;
embracing the world with virtue; acting in good faith and being friendly to
others; and fostering neighborliness. These maxims, which have taken shape
over centuries of work and life, reflect the Chinese people’s way of viewing
the universe, the world, society, and morality and are highly consistent with
the propositions of scientific socialism.

We must stay confident in our history and culture, make the past serve
the present, and develop the new from the old. We must integrate the essence
of Marxism with the best of fine traditional Chinese culture and with. the
common values that our people intuitively apply in their everyday lives. We
should keep endowing Marxist theory with distinctive Chinese features and
consolidating the historical basis and public support for adapting Marxism to
the Chinese context and the needs of our times. With this, we will ensure that
Marxism puts down deep roots in China.

– We must put the people first.
– We must maintain self-confidence and stand on our own feet.
– We must uphold fundamental principles and break new ground.
– We must adopt a problem-oriented approach.
– We must apply systems thinking.
– We must maintain a global vision.

Sounds a bit like what one might hear at a Multi-national Corporations Business Marketing Seminar – Our next 5 Year Plan for the Company. (That’s not a criticism of what was said, things have a way of being systematized at scale.)

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 7:36 utc | 103

“that’s all there is to it” Brian.Berletic quick video/refs
this is a case of people just seeing what
they want to see
or even seeing it
realizing that it’s a health issue but
trying to spin it as something else
anyway
because this is what the Western
media does they lie about absolutely
everything China
(watch videos)
that is is the real story – there’s two
kinds of people out there there’s people
who only saw the footage of him being
brought out and they jumped to
conclusions prematurely
and I’m sure
this category will when all of the
information comes in they will correct
themselves
and then there’s another
category of people who are just lying
about this to smear China because that’s
what they do full time you have a whole
segment of the western media that spends
all of their time simply smearing China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEz3a6fUdtY

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 8:15 utc | 104

It is apparently an evil day with the partial eclipse for these who believe in bad omens.
As Sunak – the Damian satanic world banker child – ascends the throne and is anointed by King Charles , C3Poo at the exact moment of the evil eclipse.
Also has anybody else noticed the similarities between the evil Borg Queen and the sci-fi character.
https://labourheartlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/d0e92ada-ursula-von-der-leyen-elected-european-commission-president-under-a-cloud-of-corruption-and-scandal.jpg
&
https://media1.tenor.com/images/cdf19f21f04caeacbb7f41c118ca45f7/tenor.gif?itemid=16932792

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 25 2022 9:54 utc | 105

Interesting write up here on the dam/ dirty bomb.
https://ukrainewartruth.substack.com/p/23-october-claims-of-dam-and-dirty

Posted by: Sean | Oct 25 2022 10:00 utc | 106

What I really like is the way that everybody reads what they like into the Sunak announcement seein it as good or bad depending on their politics ‘n feelings about england copping its first unwhite PM whilst they all skip their eyes past the 2 tonne gorilla in the space.
Sunak is an associate member of the billionaires club, a former goldman sachs bankster turned hedge fund manager yet no article or even opinion on a blog ever comments on the fact that the dreadful tarty slapper known as the truss was brought undone by a muster of money marketeers. Well they may mention it but I’ve yet to see any of ’em sheet it home to Sunak an established ‘player’ on the money markets.
I don’t bring this up outta any concern for the truss whose ejection is best summed up with the old saw “good riddance to bad rubbish”, nevertheless we should all be concerned everywhere because AFAIK this is the first instance of these destructive parasites moving past their usual bribery, blackmail & bullying aka ‘lobbying’ of elected politicians or using rather obvious leverage as they did in Italy to install a so-called technocrat into actually warping & twisting an archaic & stagnated political system to install one of their own whilst pretending he’s just another politician.
Obviously Sunak isn’t the sharpest tool in the drawer since he actually had to suffer the humiliation of being beat by some moronic nonentity before the penny dropped
The copper disc which creased the back of his skull finally alerted him to what should have been an obvious truth, that 60 or 70 thousand geriatrics who comprise the englander conservative party will never support an unwhite in sufficient as long as there is someone/anyone of a fairer complexion also running. Nevermind aforesaid fairest of ’em all is thicker than two short planks.
Once that happened daddy warbucks sunak’s tech billionaire father-in-law rousted out the players in england’s markets to get ’em to short the quid as soon as the truss launched her nonsensical ‘plan’.
It was tht easy plus everyone made on the deal.
Hardly worth commenting on really other than to point out that even the most rabidly anti-sunack elements of england’s gutter press have failed to draw a line between truss’ demise sunak’s rise and sunak’s money market experience & connections.
Of course this bodes extremely badly for englanders as anyone who has suffered a country under the political leadership of a goldman sach operator (Aotearoa did for close on 10 years) can attest that at the end of such a reign there is virtually nothing nailed down or not left as a national asset.
Energy was what they specialised in stripping out in Aotearoa. All the former electricity companies many of which had been subscriber owned co-operatives ended up in hugely secretive off shore private equity rackets. As just about all of those have already been handed over to tory mates for pennies in the pound , you’d have to consider england’s citizen/subject owned health service & possibly the bbc (which has been so corrupted few would see as any great loss) as the targets of the davos fucks.
Of course before that happens sunak will blow billions of govt revenue ‘modernising’ the two of ’em prior to giving them to his mates to fix.
Truss is a blithering idiot same as thingummy starmer the labour boss who has expended all his energy expelling alleged anti-semites a swathe of whom happen to be jewish. Not ‘good jews’ tho most of em are old school lefties implacably opposed to zionism and/or any other form of imperialism.
Right now it seems as though the next englander general election will be a walk in for starmer. However he is another englander pol who would struggle to run a piss-up in a pub so if sunak can play it cool n just let starmer do his own nonsense, he starmer, will lose once more.
Crazy but there ya go.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 25 2022 10:49 utc | 107

Canada’s CBC’s The National for Oct. 24th raised the issue of forests and political pressure on preservation vs. development. Directly, they featured the Amazon, and what it could mean if Bolsanaro, the “Trump of the tropics” wins. Indirectly, they draw into the spotlight Alaska’s Tongass National Forest – and presumably what it could mean if the Republicans gain control over policy-making for that area. Which borders Canada’s northern BC:
https://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/pubs/docs/mr/mr113/forests.htm
Something to consider.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 25 2022 10:57 utc | 108

Both Brandon and his WH Spokesperson both welcomed “RASHEE(D?) SANOOK” to number 10 Downing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/25/joe-biden-says-rishi-sunak-becoming-prime-minister-groundbreaking/
Wow. Yeah Murika, Europeans really feel the love lately.
Makes one wonder, did Ben Wallace go to Washington to plan a dirty bomb with you, or to beg you not to blow up the London Tube?

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 25 2022 12:23 utc | 109

Appropriate words that have been used include smarmy f-er, slimy rhetoric, vomitorious.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 25 2022 4:55 utc | 98
He who smelt it, dealt it!

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 12:39 utc | 110

Then assuming it can be shown that it is more centralized, then, what are the red flags being raised?
Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 6:19 utc | 99
Well, am admittedly finger-painting, sharing impressions.
First, he has changed the constitution to extend his premiership beyond the 10 year limit which Hu observed and apparently did not approve of Xi’s extension.
Second, he kicked out several top people and replaced them with his own cadre. This is typical with any new 5-year term, but added to Nr 1 it raises a red flag or two.
Third, a couple of times now he has gone on massive ‘anti-corruption’ drives arresting tens of thousands. Maybe they are all corrupt (quite possible of course for corruption is always there, the only question being whether it gets nipped in the bud or not and allowed to entrench as in the West) but maybe they are simply people with differing agendas and networks. It looks very dictatorial; it looks like it might be purges. Just sayin.’
Personally, I think it hard for any one from outside a group, be it a small family or a huge nation like China, to know what’s going on inside another group, especially in terms of how things are perceived from within. I was imagining yesterday what it might be like to grow up Chinese in a nation with almost 1.5 billion people. Clearly the way they perceive the individual and wider society is peculiar to them and clearly it is also a very powerful dynamic. The Chinese have a sense of group projects and scale unique to them (how they could erect large, fully-functioning hospitals in a matter of days, literally, when covid hit). Obviously they don’t always get it right as evidenced by the past couple of centuries which have been very difficult for them so there are no guarantees. At the same time, they have a level of normalized groupthink which most of us a) couldn’t handle and b) are not really aware of even though c) we have groupthink issues in spades which go largely unacknowledged.
It seems that the modernization drive since the 70’s has been good for the people generally and moreover has given the nation a clear sense of direction with forward momentum. No small thing. With steady growth generally things go well in a society. Once the growth days are over then things get much harder but China is still growing so…
But:
By Western standards (clearly in a sorry state these days!), they have a highly authoritarian-style polity. No doubt with good reason – how else to manage 1.5 billion without a certainly level of firm, steady, unchaotic leadership at the centre and top? Could 1.5 billion people exist harmoniously and safely in a decentralized patchwork of tens of thousands of local jurisdictions? Probably not. But still: there is a danger inherent in any autarchic / authoritarian type system as everyone knows. Right now they seem to have a very good balance between having a VERY strong state and a huge, VERY dynamic private sector producing more millionaires per capita than any other polity operating at razor-thin and thus highly efficient profit margins which operators in the West would find punishing. Obviously, what they are doing is extraordinary with cities of millions going up in only a couple of years, huge bridges, fast trains, new technology, an expansive vision for world trade, expanding middle class, high quality education, confidence, optimism, industriousness, grit, smarts and so forth.
For me personally I find the lack of any obvious high culture quotient a little troubling to counterbalance the rampant materialism that material growth especially engenders, but perhaps there is a nascent one that is still semi-secret. They surely have an upper – very wealthy and/or high-ranking – class which socializes amongst themselves but whether that culture is an open part of Chinese society I cannot tell. Most of what I see from afar is utilitarian, managerial, commercial. I find their speeches almost impossible to read – deadly boring bureaucratic verbiage. That’s partly due to the difficult of translating Chinese into English but…
I talked to one old friend who has lived there for 30 years when I was briefly in Beijing on my way to Yangshuo further south. He said in passing that everything in China is sort of shitty. A throwaway remark and no doubt not entirely fair – as all such remarks. But there is something to it as well… Have huge respect for their history and what they are doing but glad I don’t live in a crowded, super-busy nation of 1.5 billion either.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 13:09 utc | 111

@ denk…
i have to say i really enjoy your posts! i don’t say anything to you most all of the time, but thanks for being here… you are a bit like that oddball debs who i also really enjoy…

Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:14 utc | 112

Last little thought about the Hu episode:
No matter why he was led out, clearly it was a poorly choreographed move on a very public stage at a very important moment involving the transfer of power and a previous leader just to the left of the current leader.
It does not augur well and all orientals there who witnessed it know it.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 15:20 utc | 113

@ Bruised Northerner | Oct 25 2022 10:57 utc | 108
thanks for that link on bc forests… i walk daily in these forests and can attest to the facts stated in the link! i have traveled all over b.c. and love this part of canada.. i see trees that are over 500 years old – often..

Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 16:11 utc | 114

So a new english prime minister what has to say first?That Jerusalem is the capital of the zionist state..and the “brave” occupiers as if to thank this dirty financier who has just taken office,attack the West Bank and kill 5 people.

Posted by: LuBa | Oct 25 2022 16:12 utc | 115

Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 13:09 utc | 111
For me personally I find the lack of any obvious high culture quotient a little troubling to counterbalance the rampant materialism that material growth especially engenders, but perhaps there is a nascent one that is still semi-secret
I’ve read that the Chinese have more virtuoso violin players than we have violin players. I don’t know, but it seems like their exposure is pretty much limited to playing western classical top ten. What’s stirring in the hutongs I can only imagine. I think Chinese classical music has been mostly reduced to a tourist attraction, but again, I speak out of ignorance.
I did hear this recently, and it’s kind of cool. Mostly I like the review I read at Trail Records…
“Intoxicatingly Lost” is the official debut Western release by the group. The album includes new tracks from their latest album as well as several bonus tracks from the band’s earlier recordings.
Zhaoze (沼泽) is from Guangzhou, China. They have built an inimitable sound, blending Chinese classical aesthetics with modern Western rock. Most notably, the sound of the guqin is prevalent through much of the album. Though it is China’s oldest traditional string instrument, Zhaoze utilizes it in a modern and innovative way, by using the cello bow and distorting the chords, giving the instrument an original voice and a fresh energy. Among other notable and unique instruments adding to the richness and distinctiveness of style are a 5-string bass, xiao (a vertically-played bamboo flute) and a glockenspiel.

Posted by: john | Oct 25 2022 16:53 utc | 116

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Kl3nX1KrA
Someone above asked about signs of increasing authoritarianism in China etc. This little piece – clearly biased since it’s Ozzie – mentions a few items on that topic.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 17:17 utc | 118

Like a visit to a Disney theme park, Germany’s president Steinmeier is getting all the thrills and chills in his visit to Ukraine
In a bomb shelter
https://twitter.com/barthreb/status/1584864131324477440
On the streets
https://twitter.com/VassiliGolod/status/1584869193698402304
(Aside- How does that guy get a blue check mark??)
RT report
https://www.rt.com/news/565329-german-president-ukraine-bomb-shelter/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 25 2022 17:29 utc | 119

Posted by: john | Oct 25 2022 16:53 utc | 116
Fun! No doubt in so large a country there are no end of great artists. But high culture is more about sophisticated social mores than the entertainment they enjoy together. I guess high culture entertainment is a form of group attunement of both mind and senses, attunement to some sort of refined sensitivity. I have no doubt they will at some point be leading the world in this but I suspect this will happen after the push for material growth tones down somewhat. It’s still a little bit like the Wild West days, albeit with zillions of people and a settled rule of law, in the sense that the sky’s the limit type of feeling.
For sure they are not pursuing a Genghis Khan ‘subdue the whole world’ or Warring Tribes period approach. The multipolar proposition is a terrific one. It just remains to be seen how we get there without provoking nuclear armageddon and then once there how corruption and the inevitable tendency towards centralization is addressed. But that will most likely be long after we’re all long gone. And also within China herself how you manage such a huge population with one system and one leader is something that is going to go through ups and downs as with any polity. But given their numbers the potential for huge ups and huge downs is there if they lose their by now ingrained gift for maintaining Confucian-style balance and harmony.
I wish there was more detailed reporting about the nature of the anti-corruption drives, how many involved, what were they doing and striving for.. is it simple business graft or something more devious? I haven’t read anything about it yet…
Anyway, thanks for your post.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 17:30 utc | 120

Today Chinese are celebrating the anniversary of Taiwan’s Liberation from Japanese Colonialism and the 30th anniversary of the extremely important 1992 Consensus arrived at between Mainland and Taiwan. Global Times has a good article on both, “Officials, scholars express full confidence in reunification as Beijing marks 77th anniversary of recovery of Taiwan from Japanese occupation”. Within the article is a link to the first part of a two-part 2021 article about Taiwan and Reunification that’s as important a read today as it was when it was published last December, “GT investigates: Why is national reunification an unshakable demand?”:

Reached between the mainland’s Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Straits and the Taiwan’s Straits Exchange Foundation in 1992, the 1992 Consensus has become the political foundation for peaceful exchanges and pragmatic cooperation between the two sides.
The 1992 Consensus made very clear the fundamental nature of the cross-Straits relations, which is that even though the mainland and the island haven’t been reunified, both of them belong to one China and China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity have never been split, said Mu Xuefeng, head of the publicity department of the Taiwan Democratic Self-Government League.
Both sides of the Taiwan Straits belong to the same country and Taiwan is part of China. This historical fact and the legal basis have never changed and will never change, Mu added.

I’ll note the importance of Taiwanese participation in this event. The reason Cancel Culture is being employed by the DPP is to erase the strong sentiment for reunification present in the older generation with hatred for the Mainland cultivated amongst the younger generation as advised by the Outlaw US Empire. The CPC’s new leadership cadre was put in place because the CPC as a whole is very hawkish on reunification since it’s the fundamental requirement for accomplishing rejuvenation:

“Resolving the Taiwan question is a matter for the Chinese, a matter that must be resolved by the Chinese,” read the report delivered at the opening session of the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China on October 16. “Complete reunification of our country must be realized, and it can, without doubt, be realized,” it said.
Officials from the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council, the Taiwan Affairs Office of Beijing Municipal People’s Government, and the Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China’s Beijing Municipal Committee emphasized the importance of communications across the Straits and called on Taiwan compatriots to reject secessionist forces and work toward national reunification and rejuvenation.
Some Taiwan compatriots who work and live in Beijing talked about the dramatic changes they have witnessed in the mainland, expressing determination to make their contribution to promoting exchanges across the Straits and their full confidence in China’s reunification and rejuvenation in the future.

And on the occasion, China’s Foreign Ministry issued this PR that contained this very important fact:
“Wang said that the number of countries with which China has diplomatic relations has increased from 60 to 181 in the past 51 years on the basis of adhering to the one-China principle, which fully shows that adhering to the one-China principle is the general principle of the international community.” [My Emphasis]
That’s a very large square the Outlaw US Empire is trying to change into a circle. As with its treatment of Europe and Ukraine, the Empire seems blind to how its behavior is isolating it from the genuine International Community.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2022 17:56 utc | 121

The 20th CPC Congress has concluded and a very large press conference yesterday provided the basis for this article, “China won’t export devt model, opposes imposition on others”, devt=development. The reality is there’s no reason for China to do so as its results speak very loudly all by themselves clearly showing that People Centered Development used alongside principles of western development–protection of key economic sectors and public control of finance–is the path to eliminating poverty, which is the primary goal for the vast majority of developing nations. And there’s no real secret at work; all such nations need do is to open their eyes to what’s happening:

Chinese observers said Western modernization, which is driven by capitalists, is increasingly showing its problems and weakness amid profound changes that the world has not seen in a century, as domestically, uneven development and unfair distribution of wealth in the West are causing serious problems such as populism and polarization, and internationally, some Western modernized major powers are undermining globalization through protectionism and unilateralism, seeking “decoupling” with other non-Western major powers, and even inciting regional conflicts to push bloc-to-bloc confrontation.
Amid this concerning situation and dangerous trend, the world needs an alternative for realizing modernization, and China is offering it to the world, and it’s total nonsense to misinterpret China’s intention as “exporting its development model,” observers said.
China will never act like some Western countries by forcing others to accept its ideology as “the only correct answer,” and if the West finds the concept of “Chinese modernization” uncomfortable and offensive, it means the West is getting less and less confident, said experts.

Farther along we read this short gem:
“US and Western modernization used to be very advanced, and have very developed economies, and science and technologies, ‘but why do they look very problematic at the moment? The answer is in their political system.'” [My Emphasis]
That’s followed by the following analysis:

Western modernization indulged in the disorderly expansion of capital, resulting in a divided society where the wealth gap became wider and wider, and the majority of ordinary people failed to share in the benefits of development and Western-dominated globalization. This has now resulted in populism and polarization, with endless and intensifying struggles between different groups in their societies, such as left and right, conservatives and liberals, black and white communities, men and women, as well as LGBT and anti-LGBT groups, said analysts.
Unfortunately, such endless struggles have not helped the West to reform their modernization and political system or to effectively solve some of the internal problems and make their people more united, but have just further torn society apart and left the problems unsolved and even made them worse, which has made more and more non-Western developing countries lose faith in Western modernization and no longer believe in the fairy tale of “Western democracy,” experts noted.
This is why the West is being so hostile and suspicious toward Chinese modernization, as Western elites who used to be arrogant are now becoming less and less confident, analysts said.

I find it interesting Chinese experts see what’s occurring in the West and within the Outlaw US Empire in particular as a “loss of confidence”; yet, in the article there’s no attempt to identify why that’s the case. My next comment will link to an article that explores part of what’s contributing to that loss.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2022 18:21 utc | 122

One of the first article to surface from the 19th Annual Meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club whose theme this year is “A Post-Hegemonic World: Justice and Security for Everyone” is by Timofei Bordachev, “The World After the Hegemony”, who writes:
“The institutional form of Western dominance by force has become its final incarnation, and now the main question is whether it is possible to preserve the form following the inevitable disappearance of its content and main function. Therefore, the collapse of the power positions of the US and Europe in international politics entails not just a change of leadership, but a revision of the institutions and rules which exist at the global level. In other words, the entire formal international order that emerged after the Second World War, but in reality over the past few centuries, will cease to exist.”
There’s the general reason for the loss in confidence. In the preface prior to linking to the Valdai Club’s Annula Report, “A World Without Superpowers”, links to relevant prior reports and says the following:

When one’s gloomiest predictions turn out to be the most accurate, this is bound to cause mixed feelings. The satisfaction of being proved prescient is offset by the reality of a more alarming future. Since 2018, the Valdai Club has been warning that processes leading to the total collapse of the global political and economic system are accelerating, while the international order that developed as a set of institutions in the latter half of the 20th century and persisted into the current century, is becoming increasingly deformed.
The crisis of globalisation as a universal framework for global development started in the 2000s. The pandemic proved that globalisation, as it was understood in th1980s, was quite reversible. The military-political crisis that broke out in Europe in 2022 – an extremely dangerous and almost unpredictable relapse into rivalry between the major superpowers – has impacted most of the world in one way or another. It also signals the end of the model of relations in which the “blessing” of mutual dependence was a bedrock assumption.
The extent to which different players are involved in the current international cataclysm vary. Many are trying to safely distance themselves from the fierce confrontation between Russia and the US-led collective West, for which Ukraine was a pretext. However, nobody has any doubts that what is happening now is not simply a regional conflict or even a dispute to determine which of the main players will occupy a higher place in the international hierarchy. The main question is whether this hierarchy will be preserved at all in the form we are accustomed to, and if so, how it will be constituted.

Those who take the current Geopolitical scene seriously will want to read the linked Report and others that will be produced over the next few days. Putin is to address Thursday’s Plenary Session at 16:00 local time. The discussion scheduled before his appearance is one I’d like to participate in:
“Session 10. The World That Crumbled: Lessons for the Future From the 2022 Military-Political Crisis
“The institutions of world governance that were established in the second half of the twentieth century and provided a certain framework for international players are no longer working. The situation in world politics has returned to the historical norm: chaotic competition, which can only be limited by the balance of power of the opposing sides. Will there ever be a new system of rules and governance structures? What could it look like? Or has the year 2022 opened up a period of indefinite and dangerous instability?”
Yes, very serious shit as was last night’s: “Special session. The Ukrainian Question – Its Origins and Consequences.” This page has links to the five presentations already made.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2022 18:58 utc | 123

https://thedissenter.org/uncovering-other-cia-funded-experiments-on-children-in-europe-during-the-cold-war/
CIA experimented on children in West Germany and Denmark; probably everywhere else too.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 25 2022 19:49 utc | 124

Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 17:30 utc | 120
But high culture is more about sophisticated social mores than the entertainment they enjoy together
Oh, you’re using ‘sophisticated’ in its pejorative form. Silly me.

Posted by: john | Oct 25 2022 20:09 utc | 125

Interesting times!
In the western 2%(always missing 98% key components/fail to answer standard questions). A breaking story of the arrest down under in Oz on an FBI person of interest warrant . One retired in 2002 twenty years ago at age 34* Marine Major Daniel Edmund Duggan. The aircraft he flew was the slow-mover subsonic ‘do not exceed Mach 1(suffer engine compressor stall/total loss of power)’ Harrier AV8B “Jump Jet”. The Harrier is limited in both radius of action and total weapons load out. This plane is a non-air superiority vintage 1960s tech!
* Early retirement would indicate medical grounds and or use of a cheap ACES(killer midget parachute) Ejection seat. The pilot thus sustains permanent spinal compression injury.
Dan also holds a U.S. and Australian ATPL, Australian Grade III Flt Instructor, and Low-Level Jet Aerobatic
Display endorsements. link: https://topgunaustralia.com/about-us/
Primary trainer English-speaking grade 3 flight instructors are in high demand in China’s civil aviation sector.
Constantly suffering from the lack of trained pilots.
In 2020 prior to the SARS-COVID-19 vaccines being made available in China. Many pilots and trainers were furloughed without pay.|

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 25 2022 20:26 utc | 126

Scorpion #113
On Hu and his assisted entrance and exit.
I read that performance as a blunt statement that Hu and his type are finished and his acolytes are no longer welcome. A blunt factional assertion as I see it.
Then it can be read as a statement that leadership should not be in the hands of the obviously infirm and intellectually challenged. Note that usa.
Being a public performance enables the leadership to deal with it immediately and certainly. This minimises the intense whispering that can be so nefariously exploited by China’s enemies.
It was politics as usual and suavely executed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 25 2022 21:29 utc | 127

@Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 13:09 utc | 111
thank you for the very detailed reply. Excellent, appreciated. I can understand where you’re coming from and recognise what you’re seeing. I still don’t see it the same way nor agree, but a lot of your observations are quite valid from a westerners point of view. The limitations of knowing what it’s like in China for the chinese which you addressed are real. a couple of things for some balance if I may :
“he kicked out several top people and replaced them with his own cadre.”
this happens all the time in western democratic nations, in political parties and governments. They just use different less toxic words. It’s painted as normal, acceptable and not painted as being extreme. PMs and Presidents are not labelled dictatorial or centralizing power when dumping people from high positions. It’s called normal. Some like such changes others push back or criticize it. But it still happens. Purges happen in Board rooms too.
And why assume all or any of the changes were top down as opposed to bottom up? There are 90 million in the CPC they do get a vote, all of them. and those votes filter upwards too. No different than the conservatives voting for Liz Truss or Bojo the clown imho. Maybe the Chinese are simply better at judgement?
What is wrong with following a very good leader with vision and ethics anyway? One who is a good communicator the people of the CPC and the country can rally behind? Especially when he articulates those values and goals the people aspire to already?
Maybe the 90 million CPC members have been waiting for a leader like Xi to arrive for years …. because he truly represents their own values and ethics and dreams for China. But no one in the western media or political circles would ever consider such a reality …. can’t be. Why?
Because of the default way in which Western Minds have been corralled to Think … just because we are groomed/socialized to “think in particular default way” does not make it right or best practice – for us or for the Chinese.
the ” massive anti-corruption’ drives ” are massive because there’s a massive number of CPC members and Govt Officials. Why not take what they say at face value?
There was a “massive” problem of corruption in China – everyday people protested about it regularly in the past – the CPC (while Xi was the new leader ~2012/13 the CPC decided to set up system to fix the problem. Those systems have worked.
It wasn’t tens of thousands it was hundreds of thousands of people caught for corruption and the abuse of power and being unethical over the last 5 years. some were jailed the majority were not, they were sacked and/or kicked out of the Party. What is so unreasonable about that? In a country with 1.5 billion people the numbers caught are minute!
What else should a nation do about corruption than address it? Most do not do so effectively.
The thing is, these matters are not ‘hidden’ inside China – here is one report of thousands:

Party’s efforts to combat corruption achieve overwhelming success, says senior official By YANG ZEKUN | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2022-10-17
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202210/17/WS634d3c8da310fd2b29e7cfdb.html
The Party has taken comprehensive steps to ensure officials do not have the audacity, opportunity or desire to be corrupt, has come down hard on corruption involving both political and economic elements, and has resolutely punished officials whose misconduct directly affected the public, said Xiao Pei, deputy head of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection of the CPC Central Committee, China’s top anti-graft watchdog, at a news conference on the sidelines of the ongoing 20th CPC National Congress.
Since the 18th CPC National Congress in 2012, discipline inspection and supervisory organs nationwide have filed more than 4.6 million cases of corruption.
Among those put under investigation, 553 were senior officials under the management of the Organization Department of the CPC Central Committee. More than 25,000 department-level officials and some 182,000 county-level officials were punished, according to Xiao.
Over the past decade, the CPC Central Committee has incorporated full and rigorous self-governance into its strategic layout, fundamentally addressing the problem of lax and weak self-governance in Party organizations at the root, he said.

My goodness, if only western nations and the flaky global south could be that good/effective. The big question is why are these matters not seen from abroad as a good thing?
Western corporations used to complain/comment vigorously about China’s official corruption two decades ago … now they don’t that I know of. The people overall are not protesting or rioting about it, and they are quite able to comment on social media and make complaints about Govt Officials or bad rules these days.
So the Govt / CPC acts to fix a serious problem like corruption and still Westerners complain and criticize them vociferously. There is a clear pattern here. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t, aka Give a Dog a bad name and it sticks. Same applies to Russia and Putin obviously.
I very much agree with this comment:
“I think it hard for any one from outside a group, be it a small family or a huge nation like China, to know what’s going on inside another group, especially in terms of how things are perceived from within.”
In fact I think it is the core of the problem of gross misunderstandings and lack of acceptance of China’s Ways in the west. Which then gets intentionally manipulated with non-stop disinformation in western media sources and by self-serving (usually ignorant) politicians.
Does anyone in the USA for example care if people in China criticize the way America runs it’s government or country or the norms of society in America? No. The Chinese may as well talk to the wind.
Last point fwiw, one of the main reasons why language translation is so difficult regarding Chinese v English is because the people actually THINK and SEE THE WORLD very differently. I learnt that from a good friend who taught English to Chinese children.
cheers and thanks again, I hope my response was reasonable and understandable. Best to you.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 23:26 utc | 128

choreographed
adjective
(of an event or course of action) planned very carefully:
@ Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 15:20 utc | 113
1) ” the Hu episode: clearly it was a poorly choreographed move”
One cannot carefully plan when a elderly person suffering from Alzheimers is going to have a “disorientated moment” in public. Clearly the man was not well and this has been explained despite the disinformation and unfounded conjectures.
Hu’s doctor who was present caring for him, is reported as the person who gave the health care directive to assist Hu off stage before the completion of the ceremony going on.
2) and all orientals there who witnessed it know it.
That’s not true. Many see it very differently than what’s being spread around the world.
There is really nothing to see here, except for care and respect for elder statesmen in public.
repost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7hrMiLqO-A

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 23:47 utc | 129

@karlof1 |
Thanks for the Valdai heads up. Can’t wait to hear Putin’s speech. Should be a cracker.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 23:48 utc | 130

@ karlof1 | Oct 25 2022 18:58 utc | 123 with all the links that I can’t keep up on….thanks for all your comments
Where from here?
@ SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 23:26 utc | 128 with the lengthy response to Scorpion…thanks but I see him as having an agenda and not educable.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2022 0:05 utc | 131

Sidebar on China .. just because Xi and others present a view of benign good friendly relations in the BRI and other trade global south infrastructure links to other nations, does not mean the Chinese operating in those nations have a similar “attitude” nor that citizens in those nations see it that way either.
Anecdotal reports suggest an air of arrogance and superiority from Chines nationals, little different than that displayed by the dutch, british and Americans in days gone by. China typically ships in their won chinese workers to do all the work, with very little to zero employment benefits to local communities. They don’t train them up either to carry on work after a project is completed.
While there was very likely international encouragement/support for the “riots/push back” that occurred this year in Solomon Islands against the Chinese businesses there, never the less there is a groundswell of genuine well founded discontent (based on a perceived unfairness) of the local people against the Chinese now resident in the country and what the impacts of China’s activity was having on them.
Very hard to tell exactly what’s going on , but something is, as the same reactions / resentment have occurred in africa, se asia as well. I am only saying that everything sold as being wonderful typically isn’t for everyone involved at the coal face. eg the colonization of India was sold to the Brits and something absolutely wonderful for humanity and civilization.
Xi et al would be wise to check the rhetoric against the facts on the ground … but I suspect it won’t happen. History tends to repeat and rhyme as we know.

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 26 2022 0:08 utc | 132

Finian Cunningham today at Strategic Culture”:
“Beijing might be better taking Taiwan now – once and for all – before it festers anymore under American influence.
As Russia is finding out, to its cost, delaying the disease can lead to more fatal conditions.”

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 26 2022 0:21 utc | 133

Elmagnostic @133–
I’d argue that Cunningham is mistaken about Russia “delaying” as it’s uncovered a far worse situation than what it initially thought it would encounter, and would have been unprepared for it if it had acted earlier.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2022 0:38 utc | 134

Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 13:09 utc | 111
“By Western standards (clearly in a sorry state these days!), they have a highly authoritarian-style polity. No doubt with good reason”
And above all is is very necessary to have a very strong solid leadership to prevent any crack that will allow a very capable county like the US to sneak in and make China another victim of what destiny it might be decided on by the US. I think non of us is in a position to judge on China’s leadership other than to write for an entertainment purposes.

Posted by: Man | Oct 26 2022 0:57 utc | 135

Appropriate words that have been used include smarmy f-er, slimy rhetoric, vomitorious.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 25 2022 4:55 utc | 100
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b started MOA with a clear agenda, anti FUKUSA world tyranny, the no 1 threat to world peace.
I bet most barflies come here for the same reason.
The scorpion was MIA all these years when FUKUSA were trampling on sovereignty of defenseless countries.
During the peak of TW provocation, the scorpion barged in and accused USAss China of ‘hypocrisy’, demanded to know ‘what happens to TW’s right to self determination’ .!
LIke I say, we oughtta know where he’s coming from, 😉

Posted by: denk | Oct 26 2022 4:04 utc | 136

I like your posts…
Posted by: james | Oct 25 2022 15:14 utc | 112
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Thanks !
I replied to your last post to me, wonder if you managed to find it in this chaos ?
Here I want to share with you a vid.
Same as you, I normally prefer text over podcast or vid.
When I do post vid, that means it’d be worth your time !
From the british bullshit corp…
‘chicom beating up ‘peaceful protestors’ !
Rings a bell ?
[TAM, HK, TIBET, XINJIANG…….]
Here’s a twist, this time its even more outrageous, those brutes had the temerity to do it smack dab in perfidious albion’s home turf , right under the nose of a bunch of bobbies. !
The entire FUK is screaming with rage..
‘chicom embassy staff beat up ‘peaceful protestors’ right in …LOndon !’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVlzh6rfbC4

Posted by: denk | Oct 26 2022 4:14 utc | 137

I talked to one old friend who has lived there for 30 years when I was briefly in Beijing on my way to Yangshuo further south. He said in passing that everything in China is sort of shitty.
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 25 2022 13:09 utc | 111
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From a fourth world country which had to import those humbles stuff like nails in 1949, to the world’s 2nd economic/industrial powerhouse in 2022, …not back for such a ‘shitty country’ !
btw, your acquaintance must be a gawd damned masochist, imagine enduring 30 years in such a hellhole.
Did those nasty chicoms chain him up to prevent him running away btw ?
I dont particularly care if China is such a shit hole btw, its none of my biz…or yours.
b started this site to tackle a most serious problem, USAss world tyranny.
USAss, a giant cesspool masquerading as a nation.
An empire built on lies and thrives on BS.
Where else would you find 45 lying pos as prez in a row but USAss ?
Some gringo demanded to know,
‘none of your fucking biz’, well I told him, ‘the day you decide to rule the world it becomes everybody’s biz’ !
George Carlin
‘The only exports from USAss these days are bombs and bullshit’
For all I care, Xi can be ’emperor for life’, they mind their own biz.
As for USAss, you can change a new prez every other day but still remain the scourge on planet earth.
[Read c19 for a start]
That bothers me big time.

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‘They dont have high culture over there in China’
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Again, its none of my biz, or yours.
As for those vaunted ‘western values’..
Caitline Johnestones
‘The Trouble With ‘Western Values’ Is That Westerners Don’t believe it Themselves’
The very first English proverb I learned was…
‘Charity starts at home’
These days, the anglophone enjoy going all around town, sniffing into others latrines, stirring shit, while the toilets are overflowing at home.

Posted by: denk | Oct 26 2022 4:29 utc | 138

Below is a link to the latest posting at Wall Street On Parade that documents the career of the new UK PM
A Former Goldman Sachs/Hedge Fund Guy Is the New U.K. Prime Minister
The take away quote

Sunak worked as a junior analyst at Goldman Sachs from 2001 to 2004, where part of his research involved railways. He left Goldman to obtain his MBA at Stanford University, following which he joined TCI hedge fund in 2006 as a partner and worked there until 2009, when he left to co-found the hedge fund, Theleme Partners with Patrick Degorce. Sunak worked at Theleme Partners until 2014, when he moved into conservative politics in the U.K. That’s a total of 13 years involvement in financial markets that Sunak wants to obliterate from his work history.

Go read it all….it is not flattering.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2022 4:41 utc | 139

…thanks but I see him as having an agenda and not educable.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2022 0:05 utc | 131
Yes, I think that’s the case.
But many people have an agenda and don’t spam up almost every thread here with
lengthy sophistry and continual equivocation pretending to be ‘fair and balanced’.
Scorpion promised to ‘do better’ a couple of weeks ago after admitting to ‘blog clog’
but he either lied to me or failed at that attempt. Either way there’s been no change.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 26 2022 4:49 utc | 140

denk #137
Thank you for the Nathan Rich utoob.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2022 4:53 utc | 141

@Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 25 2022 9:54 utc | 105
Also has anybody else noticed the similarities between the evil Borg Queen and the sci-fi character
Good catch. On the same line, Herr Scholz and Baron Harkonnen.

Posted by: Jun | Oct 26 2022 4:57 utc | 142

It might be worthwhile keeping an eye on events in Prague this weekend. Friday the 28th is a national holiday in remembrance of the 1918 uprising that brought about independence for Czechoslovakia from Austro-Hungary.
Antiwar and anti-government activists have planned demonstrations for that day. Government ministers have called such demonstrators “scum” and “riff-raff” and some have even called for criminalizing such demonstrations.
NGO’s behind the five party government coalition are now organizing a counter-protest on Sunday the 30th.
I found a flyer in my mail-box last night quoting Van der leyen.
“We will manage it”… implying the energy and other crises.
And then the slogans:
“Against fear”, “Against hatred”, “For Czechia” and “For Ukraine”.
The flyer came from the NGO Milion chvilek pro demokracie (A million moments for democracy), which before Covid whipped up hatred in massive protests against then premier Andej Babis and president Milos Zeman. It seems the coalition and their NGO backers are now looking to whip up civil unrest.

Posted by: karel vp | Oct 26 2022 6:25 utc | 143

Lokks like a law has been quietly passed over here to force protesters to wear ankle tags, and be under surveillance, without the fuss of having to go to court. That includes anyone known to the police for the last 5 years.
Only George Moan-biot reported on it.
I blame George Orwell for giving psychopaths lots of ideas.

Posted by: Benn | Oct 26 2022 6:32 utc | 144

https://min.news/en/tech/cbc670a6be10c7e9422e284d2703a836.html
china about to open new tech chip making not using EUV manufacturing. can make 5nm easy as of its first development. can get smaller than the current 2 3-nm this is huuuuggge. means USA chip ban is for nothing. its usa that hold the bag of obsolete TSMC factories . game over

Posted by: hankster | Oct 26 2022 7:07 utc | 145

Thanks to karel vp @ 144 for raising the topic of that upcoming anniversary and the events along with it. Something to watch for.
Living in Canada, I tend to view colonialism on the New World vs. Old World spectrum… but I tend to forget the colonial history within Europe. b mentioned Victor Orban in this review, and a check in on his Twitter account reminded me of the 1956 revolution. “The lesson of 1956 is clear. Whoever wants to knee on our neck will fail.” he writes.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1584452486684766209
A new monument to the Hungarian Freedom Fighter was just unveiled in Atlanta, Georgia
https://twitter.com/BalazsOrban_HU/status/1584524418730315776
Then I found this Twitter discussion on the 110th anniversary of the liberation of Thessaloniki from the Ottoman Empire (Greek and Turkish views provided)
https://twitter.com/NikosMichailid4/status/1585171528383356928
Which lead me to an interesting thread, put together by an analyst from Eurasia Group on a rift between France and Germany. I thought the key message, like what the pan-European institutions would freak out over, was this:
“Fr officials fear that Berlin’s neglect of Fr-Ger partnership under Scholz is not just clumsy oversight or indeed more complex domestic politics – but a generational shift in German attitudes towards the EU. Based on Berlin’s reputation in EU right now, that may be right”
Wonder which French officials exactly voiced that fear. Anyway, full thread is here:
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1585170573289586689
And this reminded me of a recent Tweet from MK Bhadrakumar on Scholz’s upcoming trip to China:
“Scholz’s visit has already run into headwinds. But he’ll press ahead, ignoring pin pricks as nuisance. China is possibly Germany’s only salvation remaining for eco recovery – other than repairing Russia ties. Europeans [& US] will be keenly watching S’s visit as trail blazer.” (With link to Global Times report)
https://twitter.com/BhadraPunchline/status/1584729453175140353

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 26 2022 12:42 utc | 146

https:// http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/10/26/691613/Iran-sanctions-EU-institutions-individuals-supporting-terrorism
remove two spaces between // and www
this link provides the names of company’s NGOs and individuals that have been sanction for terrorism .. very useful in doing research.. I think.

Posted by: snake | Oct 26 2022 14:14 utc | 147

@ denk | Oct 26 2022 4:14 utc | 138
thanks denk! i can’t sign into youtube – i refuse to sign in to watch videos, but i did see the content at the chinese embassy in london and agree with your take on all this..
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@ waynorinorway | Oct 26 2022 4:49 utc | 141
it seems a few of us are coming to some conclusions on scorpion… my quick observation was how the past while scorpion rubber stamps don bacons bullshit.. this is a different don bacon and not the one that was here previously… call me paranoid, but there are blatant and subtle ways to destabilize a community… thanks for your posts..

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2022 15:04 utc | 148

@ psychohistorian | Oct 26 2022 0:05 utc | 131
@ denk | Oct 26 2022 4:14 utc | 138/137
@ james | Oct 26 2022 15:04 utc | 149
Well, thanks to you 3 for speaking up.
” …call me paranoid, but there are blatant and subtle ways to destabilize a community”
Right james, and I don’t think that’s at all paranoid. I’m just surprised he’s been able to keep up the volume for so long with out getting more flack.
And as you mentioned some time ago james, the comment section has been deteriorating. Stuff like what Scorpion and c1ue do is
not conducive to good interaction. I don’t at all mind different opinions but to use the bar as your personal soap box to dominate conversations is
disrespectful to others who just want to enjoy the camaraderie and learn. It was fine that Rae called out c1ue for over-posting and
hopefully others will see that Scorpion does it too. I dislike that kind of stuff much more than trolls. Scorpion is worse because he’s everywhere while c1ue
at least usually waited for open threads to unload – (and sometimes had some really good bits).
The recent Bacon is indeed curious. He used to provide some interesting links.
A big THANKS too, as always, to b for operating this oasis in the middle of the info desert.
And while I’m mushing on, thanks to all the commenters who observe common decency and respect. You make this little hole in the wall a nice cozy hangout!
Skoal!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 26 2022 16:41 utc | 149

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 23:26 utc | 129
SeanAU, thanks for your long and generous reply.
A couple of small points: I don’t follow mainstream media much and don’t have my opinions formed by them, especially about China or Russia. I try to read some of the major players’ speeches and observe things from afar but have no illusions as to being in touch with either polity.
As to the Hu event. Even if the exit was as benign as you and others here say, it was clearly improvised. As such it sent a ripple of confusion, of the unexpected, in an otherwise formal, important and largely ceremonial event. Such things are significant no matter the reason indicating an unexpected gap between script and reality. Again, this has nothing to do with why exactly Hu was escorted out the way he was. Indeed, it is precisely because it was clearly unscripted that it was subject to many different interpretations. Yours may well be correct, but it took a while to get the information about the doctor. The main impressions occurred in the moment when Hu was being taken out. And it is understandable that there were many different takes on what was going on. That in itself, clearly, was unfortunate. Something unfortunate happening at such a moment does not augur well, and millions of orientals viewing that would feel that way.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 17:53 utc | 150

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 25 2022 23:26 utc | 129
SeanAU, thanks for your long and generous reply.
A couple of small points: I don’t follow mainstream media much and don’t have my opinions formed by them, especially about China or Russia. I try to read some of the major players’ speeches and observe things from afar but have no illusions as to being in touch with either polity.
As to the Hu event. Even if the exit was as benign as you and others here say, it was clearly improvised. As such it sent a ripple of confusion, of the unexpected, in an otherwise formal, important and largely ceremonial event. Such things are significant no matter the reason indicating an unexpected gap between script and reality. Again, this has nothing to do with why exactly Hu was escorted out the way he was. Indeed, it is precisely because it was clearly unscripted that it was subject to many different interpretations. Yours may well be correct, but it took a while to get the information about the doctor. The main impressions occurred in the moment when Hu was being taken out. And it is understandable that there were many different takes on what was going on. That in itself, clearly, was unfortunate. Something unfortunate happening at such a moment does not augur well, and millions of orientals viewing that would feel that way.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 17:55 utc | 151

I wrote a comment to the whole bar following many of the comments above but it got kicked out! A sign. But here goes again.
First, thanks for the complaints, insults, speculations and whinings. I am sorry you don’t like my comments and some feel I have an agenda. I didn’t know that MoA was set up with a specific anti-US Empire mission – though not surprised to learn it now. Good for b!
Needless to say, I don’t share that mission. I regard all major powers and mainstream narratives with suspicion and most of my comments come from that perspective. Am most familiar with US, whose elites and govt am definitely not on board with, but neither do I trust any others in the West, nor Russia or China or anyone else for that matter. It seems many here get upset if there is any intimation that Xi and Putin might not be angelic world saviors. I find that naive, but to each his own.
Also, I think it silly to get upset about such matters and some of your remarks and objections are objectionable, petty and childish evidencing some sort of group think even though this is an anonymous cyber space. Strange. But I hear the feedback and will try to share less here even though I enjoy the commentary area very much of late. Not so much because of the whines, but because
a) I have tended to overpost (been waiting for weeks for my damn car to be repaired so spending too much time at home in front of the computer in these interesting times and
b) I don’t like group think and this clearly has more of that going on than I thought.
Btw, angry denk whoever you are, I’ve been reading here for many years but only a few months ago did I start reading and responding to the comments. And I still feel about Taiwan what I said earlier: if the self-determination principle is valid in Donbass and other oblasts – which I agree with – why can it not be just as valid in Taiwan? (Or Texas for that matter!) What are you so upset about. Maybe check your own mind a little before frothing away so spitting mad at someone in cyberspace just voicing very simple opinions.
All best.
(Hopefully this one will go through…)

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 18:10 utc | 152

PS
Others are nervous too:
(Just realized why earlier one didn’t go through. Had a Zero Hedge link. Here again without link, just title.)
Title:
Wealthy Chinese Activate Financial “Escape Plans” Terrified Of Xi’s Coming Reign Of Terror, And Why This Is Good News For Bitcoin
PPS: Sean: thanks for explaining so much about corruption. I hope your take is an accurate one (that it was not tyrannical crackdown but bona fide purge of bad actors). Hopefully they have now changed their systems so it won’t rise up on that scale again. Obviously it would be great if the West could do such a thing but our way is to collapse everything and then start over with yet another corrupt polity!

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 18:30 utc | 153

@Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 18:30 utc | 156
And what makes you think hardline separatists are the majority in Taiwan? Or do you think supporting a small minority of foreign-backed extremists “valid”?

Posted by: Jun | Oct 26 2022 20:39 utc | 154

And what makes you think hardline separatists are the majority in Taiwan? Or do you think supporting a small minority of foreign-backed extremists “valid”?
Posted by: Jun | Oct 26 2022 20:39 utc | 158
What makes you think I back hard-line separatists if they are in the minority?
I just said – weeks ago when it came up – that the people in Taiwan should be able to decide for themselves. I don’t have a dog in the fight either way. But I do understand why some might not want to be under the thumb of the CPC. But if they are maintaining their polity under false pretenses, they should be dislodged, preferably by plebiscite.
No?

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 20:47 utc | 155

Something important is happening in occupied Palestine. Elijah Magnier has an article up called “The Lion’s Den” shakes Israel about the new rebel group becoming increasingly popular with young Palestinians. Magnier says recent Israeli attacks against Syria have been intended to interrupt an Iranian-Syrian effort to use drones to deliver advanced weaponry into Gaza. They may be delivering to the West Bank as well. New weapons mean new hope for Palestine.
https://ejmagnier.com/

Posted by: Chas | Oct 26 2022 21:33 utc | 156

This picture is worth a thousand words:
Its at The Cradle, illustrating an article about Journalists in the Firing Line
https://thecradle.co/
On the left is the Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, to the right grinning in welcome is the US Secretary of State who ordered the assassination of General Soleimani, a few weeks later.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2022 22:09 utc | 157

And now let the angry group thinkers get all steamed up about whatever it is they get steamed up about!
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 20:44 utc | 159
LOL Scorp you’re trying harder these days. Your pay per word count increased?

Posted by: K | Oct 26 2022 22:31 utc | 158

RT (sorry, can’t link or comment will be blocked) at the bottom of its main page has the first in a series of documentaries about weapons developed during the Cold War that documents lasers. IMO, it’s very educational, not just for lasers but for radar, which is only mentioned in passing as needed to properly target the laser.
From what we’ve seen over the past decade, the capabilities of Russian radar and other electronic systems have greatly increased well beyond the capabilities of anything fielded by NATO. My hypothesis is that Soviet research prior to the USSR’s implosion was well advanced in several areas such that despite the mothballing of much military and scientific research during Yeltsin’s misgovernance when it was restarted by Putin those advantages still existed, which is what we now see today. There’s also a hint in the film at what laser technology might be used for militarily today. So, carve out 27 minutes to watch and listen; I’m sure you’ll learn something!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2022 22:42 utc | 159

RT (sorry, can’t link or comment will be blocked) at the bottom of its main page has the first in a series of documentaries about weapons developed during the Cold War that documents lasers. IMO, it’s very educational, not just for lasers but for radar, which is only mentioned in passing as needed to properly target the laser.
From what we’ve seen over the past decade, the capabilities of Russian radar and other electronic systems have greatly increased well beyond the capabilities of anything fielded by NATO. My hypothesis is that Soviet research prior to the USSR’s implosion was well advanced in several areas such that despite the mothballing of much military and scientific research during Yeltsin’s misgovernance when it was restarted by Putin those advantages still existed, which is what we now see today. There’s also a hint in the film at what laser technology might be used for militarily today. So, carve out 27 minutes to watch and listen; I’m sure you’ll learn something!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2022 22:43 utc | 160

I wish we could figure out just when China invades Taiwan (inevitable eventually). We could buy YANG and Benefit Greatly.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 27 2022 1:00 utc | 161

Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 17:55 utc | 154-156
no worries, it’s all good. I don’t like group think either, or mobbing. Everyone has (and should have) their own peculiar interests (from time to time) about an overall generalized topic (geopolitics/state of the world/who is good is is bad) and it is also normal for people to be more active/verbose about xyz from time to time, as it’s natural, imho. Things go in cycles, and people can be impatient and intolerant too. Also ‘people in glass houses ……’ can so easily project onto others. And folks who (especially ‘hall-monitors’) who already take up a lot of space on a forum tend not to give it freely to others. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/possessiveness of course such things are justified by all sides, and I might have it wrong too. Because no one can truly know another real ‘intentions’ or inner workings. Doesn’t stop the judgments flying though. Oh well. C’est la vie.
Good luck not having your head completely kicked in for being an individual with a point of view. And for talking overly too much. Good luck with the car repairs too. Normal life is so less complicated imho.
IF everyone already knew everything perfectly there would be no need for discussion forums in the first place. Cheers

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 27 2022 1:19 utc | 162

@Scorpion 160
The people in the breakaway oblasts overwhelmingly supported independence. Such is not the case in Taiwan. By questioning why self determination is valid there and not in Taiwan, you make a false equivalence and obfuscate the issue. In the minds of the vast majority of Chinese and the world, Taiwan is part of China. Having lost the Chinese civil war, the Americans prevented a final mopping up of KMT elements so a festering sore can remain a tool of western powers which later was repeated in Korea and Vietnam.
Your trumpeting of a plebiscite as the authoritative answer to the Taiwan issue is telling. Since even Taiwan claims it is China, would you deny 1.5 billion voters on the mainland in your vote? I take it you would. But I don’t think Chinese people give a toss of western arrogance and their lecturing of democracy and the legitimacy of the ballot box. One generation of Taiwanese chafing “under the thumb of the CPC” will not negate 5,000 years of history.

Posted by: Jun | Oct 27 2022 1:20 utc | 163

@ waynorinorway | Oct 26 2022 16:41 utc | 150
thanks… sometimes it feels right to speak up.. hard to know the best way forward.. sometimes silence is the best option, but that doesn’t seem to be happening here, lol! see how it plays out.
@ Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 18:10 utc | 155
i can be angry and i can be quite compassionate too.. fortunately anger passes quickly, but compassion is a more permanent position.. i haven’t really paid that much attention to your posts.. since you’ve come, i’ve noticed a lot of them and often long posts too.. whatever.. i don’t think it is group think happening here.. sure there is a slant towards seeing russia as the underdog and also a view that the western msm is very dishonest generally with regard to how it tells of what is happening on the world stage.. clearly the usa and friends are unsettled over the fact both russia and china are rising… i can skip over your posts easy enough so feel free to continue on… only b decides things around here… posters come and go.. it is a community of sorts..
i had read the article in your post @ 159 last night.. my brother shared it with me.. i thought it was pretty good and worth consideration..

Posted by: james | Oct 27 2022 1:30 utc | 164

Thank you for the Nathan Rich utoob.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2022 4:53 utc | 142
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utoob has x-rated that vid 😉
btw,
Embassies are supposed to be sovereign territory, FUK should apologise to China for its dereliction of duty .
aint gonna happen. !
The ‘ruse’ based west are above international law !
Exhibit A
BOmbing of Chinese embassy in ex Yugo..
‘The actual reason for the bombing was meant to cover-up NATO war crimes that were taking place almost daily, and the Chinese listening post located in the corner of the embassy that was bombed were intercepting orders issued by NATO which clearly revealed those crimes. The Chinese needed to be silenced and their operations ended, no matter the fallout. Take, for instance, that refugee column of Kosovo Albanians exiting the region on tractors and horse-carriages. The column that the US and NATO bombed, killing dozens.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article177116.html
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i can’t sign into youtube – i refuse to sign in to watch videos,
Posted by: james | Oct 26 2022 15:04 utc | 149
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No need to sign in.
Type ‘nathan rich’, or ‘lee jinging’, or ‘report on China’, ‘redacted’…..in the search box you’ll get to see the vid.
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. It was fine that Rae called out c1ue for over-posting and hopefully others will see that Scorpion does it too. I dislike that kind of stuff much more than trolls. Scorpion is worse because he’s everywhere
A big THANKS too, as always, to b for operating this oasis in the middle of the info desert.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 26 2022 16:41 utc | 150
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Oasis is the word !
The least we can do to repay that hospitality is to help b to clear out the weeds !
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Btw, angry denk whoever you are, I’ve been reading here for many years but only a few months ago did I start reading and responding to the comments. And I still feel about Taiwan what I said earlier:
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 18:10 utc | 155
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Thanks for confirming my observation ealier on…
‘The scorpion was MIA all these years when FUKUSA were trampling on sovereignty of defenseless countries.
During the peak of TW provocation, the scorpion barged in and accused USAss China of ‘hypocrisy’, demanded to know ‘what happens to TW’s right to self determination’ .!
LIke I say, we oughtta know where he’s coming from, ;-)’
A witting/unwitting empire enabler.
The more he post, the clearer his agenda.
pssst…
scorpion is a pro. !

Posted by: denk | Oct 27 2022 3:15 utc | 165

” …call me paranoid, but there are blatant and subtle ways to destabilize a community”
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 26 2022 16:41 utc | 150
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You aint paranoid.
We’ve forced out the scorpion’s agenda,
he’s turning from subtle into full
blatant mode.
An empire mouthpiece.

Posted by: denk | Oct 27 2022 4:05 utc | 166

Posted by: denk | Oct 27 2022 4:05 utc | 172/171
(I was quoting james there, btw.)
To confirm ‘group think’, (ie, any two or more saying the same thing, however independently),
I agree with your conclusion.
The bar is basically low on humor but as Gruff pointed out, it’s there if you look for it.
So as a last comment on all this, here’s a joke:

A Scorpion walks into a bar.
And he writes, and he writes, and writes some more.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 27 2022 4:44 utc | 167

I read Xinhuanet most everyday because I want to learn the example of China governance and its potential application to the West/my America.
The posting below from Xinhuanet is one of the pearls of education I encourage other MoA barflys to learn from.
How the CPC’s new central leadership was formed
The God Of Mammon focus in the Western world needs to die for governance like China to be possible but I believe China’s example offers a glimpse into the possible future of our species.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 27 2022 4:50 utc | 168

Below is another Xinhuanet link and this is to a download of a 25 page version of the newly revised China constitution which I am about to read
Full text of Constitution of Communist Party of China

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 27 2022 4:57 utc | 169

I am only into page 3 of 25 of the recently revised China constitution as linked to above and feel motivated to provide a quote

The Party must uphold and improve the basic economic systems including the system under which public ownership is the mainstay and diverse forms of ownership develop together, a system under which distribution according to work is the mainstay while multiple forms of distribution exist alongside it, and the socialist market economy. It must encourage some areas and some people to become well-off first, gradually realize the goal of common prosperity for all, and on the basis of developing production and social wealth, keep meeting the people’s ever-growing needs for a better life and promote people’s well-rounded development. Development is the Party’s top priority in governing and rejuvenating the country. The Party must commit to a people-centered philosophy of development. It should have an accurate understanding of this new stage of development, apply a new philosophy of innovative, coordinated, green, open, and shared development, accelerate efforts to foster a new pattern of development that is focused on the domestic economy and features positive interplay between domestic and international economic flows, and pursue high-quality development. The general starting point and criteria for judging each item of the Party’s work are that it must benefit the development of the socialist productive forces, be conducive to increasing socialist China’s overall strength, and help to improve the people’s living standards. The Party must respect labor, knowledge, talent, and creativity and ensure that development is for the people and relies on the people, and that its fruits are shared among the people.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 27 2022 5:41 utc | 170

Interesting.
In other news a new mega canal project in Nicaragua. Has just resurfaced yet again.
After spending 300 billion yuan, China won the key overseas canal project, which is the Grand Canal of Nicaragua, and has also obtained the right to use this canal for 100 years!
USSA Obama administration originally killed the initial 500-meter-wide “Grand Canal” in 2014. Allegedly on environmental grounds?
Will bankrupt USSA find the trillions of air dollars required? To refurbish and enlarge the “Panama Canal”!
Will “Chiquita” create/promote another fake color revolution in Nicaragua? Will the formidable peon army of Nicaragua defeat the professionally lead Yankee imperialists yet again?
The answer is blowin’ in the winds of change sweeping across South America

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 27 2022 6:05 utc | 171

#psychohistorian
#karlof1
Thank you for your continued coverage and analysis of the 20th Congress. For additional insight, I link the following from Westerners who actually lived or currently living in China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOBWX_l1wks&t=2996s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABE-1xPPMTs

Posted by: Jun | Oct 27 2022 6:25 utc | 172

every wonder what the new world order is suppose to look like..? I found this definition of Plutocracy to fit the coming new world order and great reset … it gave as an example the City of London.[10]
I quote “The City (also called the Square Mile of ancient London, corresponding to the modern financial district, an area of about 2.5 km2) has a unique electoral system for its local administration, separate from the rest of London. More than two-thirds of voters are not residents, but rather representatives of businesses and other bodies that occupy premises in the City, with votes distributed according to their numbers of employees. The principal justification for this arrangement is that most of the services provided by the City of London Corporation are used by the businesses in the City. Around 450,000 non-residents constitute the city’s day-time population, far outnumbering the City’s 7,000 residents.[11]””
quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2022 7:00 utc | 173

@Scorpion
when you know who the bad guy is, the day has structure!*
You are right this is an anonymous cyberspace, why then the excitement. This is about exchange.
The content of the message is always determined by the recipient.
Didn’t Putin say that we don’t always agree, but we can look for common opportunities, or something like that?
Self-reflection is always a good thing, even if it is sometimes forced upon you.
Feel free to write.
My thanks also to @SeanAU and @ james.
* the quote is from a political cabaret artist. One of the best Germany ever had.
If you like gallows humor (with English subtitles) you can find it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG0Ql0VfcRg

Posted by: Stella | Oct 27 2022 9:03 utc | 174

I just said – weeks ago when it came up – that the people in Taiwan should be able to decide for themselves. I don’t have a dog in the fight either way. But I do understand why some might not want to be under the thumb of the CPC. But if they are maintaining their polity under false pretenses, they should be dislodged, preferably by plebiscite.
No?
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2022 20:47 utc | 157
No.
here is why.
I don’t want to be under the thumb of my capitalist government either, but I don’t have a right in Australia to secceed from the nation. I have a right to vote and sometimes to protest although that’s getting harder. but I do not have a right to say I don’t want my suburb to be part of Australia because I don’t like the government. The government would tell me to bugger off somewhere else.
If there are enough of people like me who want to mount an insurrection then that is another matter. However if my government suspected the Chinese (for example) were behind the agitation we’d be back to square one again. Bugger off back to your own country they’d say and leave Australia to us.
Every nation in the world follows these basic principles of sovereignty. Donbass is different because they have been persecuted. Not the case in Taiwan and even a cursory bit of research would have told you this.
The thing is Scorpion we all know you aren’t this dumb that’s why people suspect you.

Posted by: K | Oct 28 2022 8:18 utc | 175

Rather than gum up the works at the current ‘ukraine only’ thread, here is my post for issues other than Ukraine as submitted earlier:
While our host b was dealing with a shutdown of most of this site, I had posted the following indented comment on the remaining thread even though the topic there was a different one. There were several posts disagreeing with mine. I would be interested to hear their views here. I already know that karlof1 felt the problem Crooke was addressing has historical antecedents dating back much further than 2008, but others who disagree with Crooke have merely badmouthed him without giving reasons for doing so. They are welcome to do so more properly here.
I see at 202 above,[on the thread that is now closed] that ElMagnostic has provided my first paragraph quote from the article. Thank you, ElMagnostic.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324
Thanks for linking to Alistaire Crooke’s article, karlof1. I wouldn’t disagree with your points, and I don’t think Mr. Crooke would either, but reading his essay I do think he focusses in important ways on 2008 — you might say that 2008 was when all the chickens should have come home to roost … but they didn’t. Three important paragraphs of the essay [my bolds]:

“…This intermediary class didn’t set out to dominate politics (they say); It just happened. Initially, the aim was to foster progressive values. But instead, these professional technocrats, who both had accreted considerable wealth and were tightly congregated into cliques in America’s large metro areas, came to dominate left-wing parties around the world that formerly were vehicles for the working class.
Those who coveted membership in this new ‘aristocracy’ cultivated their image as one of cosmopolitan, fast-moving money, glamour, fashion, and popular culture – multiculturalism suited them to perfection. Painting themselves as the political conscience of the whole of society (if not the world), the reality was that their Zeitgeist reflected primarily the whims, prejudices and increasingly psychopathies of one segment of liberal society.
Into this milieu arrived two defining events: In 2008, Ben Bernanke, Chair of the Federal Reserve, gathered together in the aftermath of the Global Financial Crisis, a room-full of the wealthiest oligarchs, ‘locking them in’ until they found the solution to the unfolding systemic bank failure…”

I’ve just read and re-read a novel by Emily St.John Mandel entitled “The Glass Hotel” which describes investors caught up in a Ponzi scheme in the time period of Crooke’s essay. In the novel the ponzi perpetrator is arrested and given 170 year sentence. Not any of those oligarchs other than Bernie Madoff, not the bankers, not the sleazy stockmarket players (save one) got punished. 2008 is a new bench mark precisely because of this fact. And the question now is: what is an investor to make of this brand new world?
Crooke’s title for the essay, like a mene mene tekel spells it out – “They rule over dysfunctional ruin — but they rule.”
The chickens are coming home.

Posted by: juliania | November 01, 2022 at 15:54

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