Putin's Remarks On Europe
From Vladimir Putin's speech held at the signing ceremony of treaties on accession of Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to Russia:
Western countries have been saying for centuries that they bring freedom and democracy to other nations. Nothing could be further from the truth. Instead of bringing democracy they suppressed and exploited, and instead of giving freedom they enslaved and oppressed. The unipolar world is inherently anti-democratic and unfree; it is false and hypocritical through and through.
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Recall that during WWII the United States and Britain reduced Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne and many other German cities to rubble, without the least military necessity. It was done ostentatiously and, to repeat, without any military necessity. They had only one goal, as with the nuclear bombing of Japanese cities: to intimidate our country and the rest of the world.The United States left a deep scar in the memory of the people of Korea and Vietnam with their carpet bombings and use of napalm and chemical weapons.
It actually continues to occupy Germany, Japan, the Republic of Korea and other countries, which they cynically refer to as equals and allies. Look now, what kind of alliance is that? The whole world knows that the top officials in these countries are being spied on and that their offices and homes are bugged. It is a disgrace, a disgrace for those who do this and for those who, like slaves, silently and meekly swallow this arrogant behaviour.
They call the orders and threats they make to their vassals Euro-Atlantic solidarity, and the creation of biological weapons and the use of human test subjects, including in Ukraine, noble medical research.
It is their destructive policies, wars and plunder that have unleashed today’s massive wave of migrants. Millions of people endure hardships and humiliation or die by the thousands trying to reach Europe.
They are exporting grain from Ukraine now. Where are they taking it under the guise of ensuring the food security of the poorest countries? Where is it going? They are taking it to the self-same European countries. Only five percent has been delivered to the poorest countries. More cheating and naked deception again.
In effect, the American elite is using the tragedy of these people to weaken its rivals, to destroy nation states. This goes for Europe and for the identities of France, Italy, Spain and other countries with centuries-long histories.
Washington demands more and more sanctions against Russia and the majority of European politicians obediently go along with it. They clearly understand that by pressuring the EU to completely give up Russian energy and other resources, the United States is practically pushing Europe toward deindustrialisation in a bid to get its hands on the entire European market. These European elites understand everything – they do, but they prefer to serve the interests of others. This is no longer servility but direct betrayal of their own peoples. God bless, it is up to them.
But the Anglo-Saxons believe sanctions are no longer enough and now they have turned to subversion. It seems incredible but it is a fact – by causing explosions on Nord Stream’s international gas pipelines passing along the bottom of the Baltic Sea, they have actually embarked on the destruction of Europe’s entire energy infrastructure. It is clear to everyone who stands to gain. Those who benefit are responsible, of course.
The whole speech includes much more and deserves your attention. (For those who can not reach the Kremlin site a text file with the speech is available here.) If you can not reach In essence Putin is setting up Russia as the new liberation force the same way the Soviet Union had been one for many formerly colonized smaller countries. The 'third world' may well turn to Russia when it needs help.
Europe though is fu**ed (recommended read). Our politicians have not only allowed our societies to be undermined by the U.S. but they have actively helped it along. They continue to do so despite the obviously coming economic and social catastrophe the U.S. has caused with the destruction of Europe's access to cheap energy.
Only a huge shift in public sentiment can change that. My only hope is that the upcoming dark decade in Europe will bring about those changes.
Posted by b on October 1, 2022 at 10:31 UTC | Permalink
next page »The EU will now suffer in the hands of the USA what it imposed on Greece since 2010.
Posted by: robespyros | Oct 1 2022 10:52 utc | 2
It seems USA has not considered the destruction of Europe's economies as an important negative consequence of attempting to destroy, partition and loot Russia.
Or possibly, USA considers the destruction of Russia and Europe's economies as beneficial to London and Wall Street much as WW2 was beneficial to financiers in USA and England.
EU and NATO countries should all immediately disband EU and NATO before it is too late. For many, the coming calamity is already unavoidable, but will only get worse if NATO and EU still rule with iron fists.
Posted by: Mar man | Oct 1 2022 10:52 utc | 3
Can anyone name any elected politician in Europe or America that has called for de-escalation and for a peace deal to be struck between Ukraine and Russia?
Please list any and everyone who has publicly spoken out against the ongoing armament of Ukraine and wants to see the conflict end.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 1 2022 10:53 utc | 4
AfD members and voters were villified in this blog, amongst others, for years. But they predicted these developments years ago.
So the time has come to start eating crow.
Posted by: Dobels | Oct 1 2022 10:53 utc | 5
What is remarkable however is that during six months of war, Russia spared Ukrainian productive and energy infrastructure, military industry excepted. Western and Central Europe's overlords do not seem to show such scruples.
Posted by: robespyros | Oct 1 2022 10:55 utc | 6
Putin's speeches are never trivial, but this one is a collector's item. I feel happy that the Russian government has proposed to make copies of the speech available in all their embassies around the world. The speech disrobes the hypocrisy and the pretentiousness of the West.
About Europe. I am astonished how Europeans easily allow the destruction of their economy by the USA. As President Putin accurately put it, this is beyond inefficency of leadership it is a blatant betrayal of the people by their leaders. I used to think that this kind of thing only happens in the so-called third world countries. Now I know better.
Posted by: Steve | Oct 1 2022 10:57 utc | 7
@4 Sam
In Germany it's Alice Weidel from AfD, Sarah Wagenknecht from Die Linke.
Posted by: Darndil | Oct 1 2022 10:58 utc | 8
Recent post: German Dissent Cause for Sabotage Pipelines?
Germany’s Die Linke on verge of split over sanctions on Russia
Sahra Wagenknecht had called chancellor Olaf Scholz's left-leaning [??] governing coalition "the stupidest government in Europe" because it imposed sanctions on Russia, which supplied over half of Germany's gas needs before the start of the war in the spring.
The anti-sanctions party platform increased the popularity of the AfD in the polls.
Furter headaches for NATO … ehh Joe Biden the recent governing majorities in Sweden and Italy. Hungary and Serbia do NOT want to be enslaved by EU VDL diktats from Brussels. In addition Poland got EU sanctions relief for being a good NATO neighbour as VDL threatened Italians to obey or sanctions will follow and not vote for Meloni.
NATO has become the military arm of the EU and vice versa, the EU the expansionist and political arm of NATO. Well done old man Biden, his Blitzkrieg across Europe in 2021 after the defeat in Afghanistan and losing the foothold in Central Asia.
Biden promised U.S. Congress natural gas would stop flowing from Russia to the EU. It will take 5 years for Texas and US South to build the facilities and infrastructure to deliver enough LNG to Europe and Asia. For Europe it will take just as long to find alternate routes to keep the industry alive, yet less competitive due to high energy costs.
By destruction of Nord Stream 1 and 2, the United States and/or a NATO ally succeeded in destruction of an off-ramp for de-escalation of the Ukraine crisis. Listening to national security experts from the States there is only a way forward to go for the "kill" of Putin's demise and the annihilation of the Russian Federation, a Republic crossing eleven time zones. The threat of NATO buoyed by fascist states with a grudge pre WWII to Moscow was seen similar to the preparation of Germany in 1939-41. The Soviet Union suffered loss of lives above 40 million, an image of an existential threat nearly 80 years ago.
Las élites occidentales no tienen patria a la que traicionar. Se consideran a sí mismos ciudadanos del mundo, seres superiores elevados por encima de la masa global de deplorables, como ellos mismos nos califican, de ahí que actúen concertadamente en Europa y en Estados Unidos sin importarles las consecuencias.
Posted by: Frasco | Oct 1 2022 11:04 utc | 13
Putin of course 100% correct, especially when he said that printed money cannot be eaten or burned as fuel and his comments on the lunacy of gender identity and family that the vast majority in the west don't want. Putin is directly talking to the adults in the west to stand up strong before it's too late.
The next step of course is will all of nato accept Ukraine and if the rest of the world outside the golden billion recognise the 4 new regions of Russia.
It is worth remembering that his speech was to a worldwide audience, an audience who have all experienced the pure evil of anglo saxon and European neo-colonialism.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 1 2022 11:05 utc | 14
Ironically, one of the last pipelines to Germany is thru Ukraine.
If Ukraine doesn't surrender, Russia will destroy infrastructure in Kiev by serial means, followed by classic tank and troop attack.
Russia will then temporarily occupy all Ukraine right to the Polish, Slovak, Hungarian Romanian border.
If UKR does the sensible thing and surrender then there will be an election, new govt. Amended constitution banning Far Right etc.
But as with the German surrender, people must be given hope.
So Russia will work with Ukraine to get Agriculture and industry going again.
They will help with getting gas to Germany.
Maybe the US nightmare will come true - Ukraine in cooperation with Russia in wheat and corn marketing (goodby Monsanto's vast holdings), cooperate in industry, and then be joined by Germany.
Oh, and join the Eurasian SCO and common Eurasian Market....
Posted by: Powerandpeople | Oct 1 2022 11:09 utc | 15
The war in Ukraine has so far ruined or ended the lives of much more than a hundred thousand persons. Millions of Ukrainians are now without their homeland. Ukraine desperately requires new leadership. Unless that happens,nothing else fundamental will change and Ukraine will continue its self-suffering.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 1 2022 11:15 utc | 17
Interesting times ahead. Great speech!
The Death of NATO long overdue since 1989. Will be upon us in less than five years in the new arising Multipolar World. In the third decade of the 21st Century.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 1 2022 11:24 utc | 18
"Can anyone name any elected politician in Europe or America that has called for de-escalation and for a peace deal to be struck between Ukraine and Russia?"
Segolène Royal, in France, is the only one I know.
Posted by: David | Oct 1 2022 11:25 utc | 19
By destruction of Nord Stream 1 and 2, the United States and/or a NATO ally succeeded in destruction of an off-ramp for de-escalation of the Ukraine crisis. Listening to national security experts from the States there is only a way forward to go for the "kill" of Putin's demise and the annihilation of the Russian Federation, a Republic crossing eleven time zones. The threat of NATO buoyed by fascist states with a grudge pre WWII to Moscow was seen similar to the preparation of Germany in 1939-41.
I find it interesting that the USG... like the 3rd Reich.... pursues war against Russia from a declining resource base.... insufficient to support combined arms warfare against Russia.... while antagonizing China and the rest of the SCO...
This will not end well....
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 1 2022 11:26 utc | 20
In the meantime …
… LIES, LIES and more PLUNDER!
(Cross-posted in Ukraine Open Thread 2022-161)
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Under the "UN Black Sea Grain Initiative" West and NATO
CRIMINALS are still plundering Ukraine-produced foodstuffs
under the UN-promoted pretext of "feeding the poor".
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Latest summary of shipments, as of 29-Sep-2022:
LINK: https://www.un.org/en/black-sea-grain-initiative/vessel-movements
(This list is updated every two to three days)
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________TONNAGE_ _PERCENT_
OECD,EU:_3,770,145 __69.5%
NATO: _3,465,664 __63.9%
Turkey: ___815,737 __15.0%
Other: _1,363,438 __25.1%
POOR: ___292,370 ___5.4%
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TOTAL: _5.425,953 _100.0%
"UN Black Sea Grain Initiative" TEMPORARY agreement is bound
to expire today (01-Oct-2022), but the damage imposed to the
poor and hungry human beings by this CRIMINAL FRAUD is
disgraceful and inexcusable.
Posted by: LongCovid | Oct 1 2022 11:28 utc | 21
One of the greatest speeches of all time. Thank you, Mr Putin. A true statesman. A distinguished leader.
God Bless Russia. May she live in peace and strength. People all over the world are with you.
Posted by: Stellar | Oct 1 2022 11:30 utc | 22
I don't care what Putin said....
I watched every speech he had, including this.
I is fantastic good. Speech.
But at same time RF army IS SUFFERING!!!
I watch situation on front, YESTERAY ALL SOLDIERS WERE ON TV???? Following Putin speech? And villages were lost. 5000 encircled.
Again one big military center i falling. Liman.
I dont know what is going on with this generals? Are all of them drunk from champagne?
Thousands died to free this regions, cities, now they let them go?
I would shoot such generals on the wall!
Looks this mobilisation is to few to late... Who is planing operation? MORONS?
Short time ago, our selection of basketball players lost game to Poland. And we were Europen champions.
It came out, they were drinking until 5 AM the day they had game in afternoon. Yeah, we can take Poland for breakfast....
Spain did it in next game, for 41 points differece...
But, what is the point?
Russian army GAVE INITIATIVE AWAY! Ukrainians got success, one afteranother. Moral grove up! West started to deliver more weapons, encourazed...
So, I am just an civilian, amateur, but I am voundered by incompetency of leadership of RF army! What is that? People are dieing?
Becouse Russian army allowed import of anti aircraft systems, now they lost supremacy in the air! No aircraft can fly!
%0f 5 caliber are shot down! Iranian drones are shot down! What is that?
On the and only Sarmat solution will remain...
Posted by: preseren3 | Oct 1 2022 11:32 utc | 23
During WWII Germany attacked its own allies several times, whenever their wavering became too pronounced. So it's fitting that in this prelude to WWIII the empire has attacked Germany for its perceived wavering.
The attack is really on all of Europe, which the empire regards simultaneously as the actual enemy (as Michael Hudson argued since January) and as a wavering ally that must be subjugated completely before the full-scale assault on Russia can begin. Maybe a good analogy there is Germany's military subjugation of Serbia in 1941 after it attempted to renege on its treaty with Germany.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 1 2022 11:35 utc | 24
my eyes deceived me and told me the title was “Pope's remarks on Europe"
Posted by: mijj | Oct 1 2022 11:37 utc | 25
As I said yesterday, evoking speech. But if you lose militarily every day bit by bit, what good does that speech do?
At some point there will be demoralization in the officers ranks, they will start to cover their asses which will bring even more disfunction. Some will become traitors, selling out. All the while the leadership in the Kremlin will be held in the dark to avoid consequences.
And at a given moment tanks will start entering Donetsk, then Mariupol and then Sevastopol.
I have seen it many times in the past. Gaddafi lost in this way. Incompetent military advice - probably on purpose - narrowing his options until he was found hiding in a tunnel.
The Kremiln leadership will do good if they can assess the situation realistically - taking into account bribed officers and those that hold off the truth - so that they have realistic options on the table in front of them.
I really hate posting this but I wanted this off my chest. It also doesnt help anybody, I know. But man, it does look depressing at the moment.
Posted by: alek_a | Oct 1 2022 11:58 utc | 26
#23 Flying Dutchman
Germany lost WW2 certainly, but the Nazi's didn't.
It was the Nazi's who attacked their own allies, not the Germans.
It is similar to what they have done throughout this conflict, shooting people in the back who wanted to surrender when faced with impossible odds, barbecuing their own who were held in the POW camp for fear of what they would say under questioning, to give a couple of the most obvious examples.
At the end of WW2 the Nazi's retreated with help from the US government, they regrouped, they bided their time, and now they're back with their insane supremacist agenda.
There are no saints here, just human beings, some more evil than the rest.
When the nuke is dropped, remember your history.
Posted by: Orchard1 | Oct 1 2022 12:05 utc | 27
What a tremendous speech. How thrilling to have a world class statesman tell it how it is. It is fascinating to witness major global historic events as they unfurl.
From the summary posted on the last thread my takeaway is that Putin has confirmed what "conspiracy theorists" have known and tried to explain for years - that all the important Western institutions have now been completely subverted by a criminal conspiracy of shadowy power brokers, sometimes described as "The Elite" but best understood as a confederation of assorted criminal psychopaths, together with their toadies, slaves and useful idiots, who regrouped after their defeat by Russia in WW2 and have now taken to the stage once more, and to whom humanity and populations are simply chips and tokens to be played as part of the game of achieving total power. I have always thought 911 was the announcement of the arrival of a new Emperor, and the game is now reaching a climax.
In the last few days the US and Russia have declared war on each other, the US in a sneaky and cowardly way, and Russia in a clear and straightforwad way. Europe is just a resource in the game for the US, and of no consequence to Russia.
I think this time the psychopaths have a tough fight on their hands.
Posted by: Tim | Oct 1 2022 12:20 utc | 28
IMHO Putin's speech stands out as unequaled by anything Western leaders can present. Although I want to mention, without a dog in this race, that these leaders, trying to show how "progressive" they can be, fixed on racial, gender, gay issues, and good they do so, in order to avoid mentioning the core issues in any country: Who gets, who pays. And on both sides of what is rapidly becoming WWIII it's oligarchs getting, and us paying.
Posted by: chris herz | Oct 1 2022 12:20 utc | 29
Steve no. 7
Correct. But every time that bloody truss opens her mouth she blames it all on the "war in ukraine".
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Oct 1 2022 12:42 utc | 30
Yes, doom and more doom indeed.
Well... allow me to capitalise on a rare and fleeting moment of naive optimism.
Nordstream (1 and 2) will be repaired. Gazprom has already stated so. Whoever spoke of corrosion and terminal damage clearly didn't do their research, there are layers of polymer inside the pipes and plenty of equipment already standing by. Only 3 lines need to be fixed, 1 of the 4, although inactive, seems to be still intact, to my understanding. It may then still be physically possible for 1, maybe even 2 pipelines to be working by as soon as January, when it will most be needed. The war could be over by then. The main issue is clearly then a military and geopolitical one.
There also still remain 3 other physically intact pipelines to Europe. Prices are high, and the percentage of Russian gas we rely on is also high, but there are reserves, other sources, and finances to support businesses and households for some time ahead (or at least still confidence in the printing machines that will provide them). There are still many chapters to be written over the next 6-12 months and beyond, and any doomsday predictions of mass unemployment and exodus of industries etc are not all going to just happen overnight. This all means that many off ramps still exist, whatever form they may take, and many more may be built.
It is also entirely possible that a form of financial crash may not occur in Europe, but in the USA instead (let us for argument's sake exclude contagion for a second..). Their housing lending market is under great strain. One expects both Russia and China may have an interest in facilitating a crisis there, political or financial, rather than see one in Europe? One would also imagine now a few more Europeans than last week will too.
If Russians, (China and India too) still want to trade with Europe, and surely no one wants to say no to that possibility so long as it physically exists, and to kick the US out, one way is for Europe to collapse and eventually do it for themselves, the other is to render the political and economic situation in the USA such that it will need to focus internally and address its own crises, cede power on the peripheries, much in the way the British empire had to after WW2, or the Soviet Union 30 years ago.
There would be many in the US, (particularly in the Republican party, likely to take over in the next 2 elections) who would quite gladly offset any political fallout of a financial disaster with a return of its military from protecting a Europe they so much begrudge for its 'free lunch' on defence. Those interests are very much in line with many Europeans too. Who knows how these forces can be combined in a post Ukraine war Europe, faced with a crumbling braindead NATO environment, and a new security framework with Russia. It need not be so violent and turbulent after all, when mutually beneficial solutions are explored for the sake of everyone's peace and prosperity. To paraphrase Churchill, perhaps that moment for the Americans to do the right thing may yet come...
A lot of wishful thinking, i know, and while it is hard to disagree with many of the dire predictions, i am also aware that much of the 'fear and gloom' predictions very much serve the interests of parties who are currently also suffering in their conflict with the West. War is to compel your enemy to your will. What better way than to present them with the prospect of inevitable defeat at their own hands and those of their allies.
When one speaks of 'elites', we are talking about the owners of our factories, businesses and banks that are poised to go bust. I don't know of any investor who deliberately runs their assets into the ground, despite the current evidence of so much counter intuitive and self destructive behaviour. I want to believe many equally powerful forces not connected to current ruling Governments and media are hard at work to preserve and restore beneficial ties between Europe and non-US entities. The worse things get, the more powerful they will become. Humpty Dumpty does not always need to fall of the wall.
There is precedent of the Soviet Union's retreat from Eastern Europe, it was not pretty for Russia, largely due to its own internal collapse, but it was soon peaceful and beneficial for many Eastern European countries as their centre of influence was replaced by Western powers. The clear exception is of course Yugoslavia, but one cannot discount the fertile land of centuries-long tensions upon which its wars were exploited. As of this week Germany and Poland appear the prime candidates for a similar escalation, though the collapse of East Germany also shows precedent of the maturity and civility of societies in dealing with existential crises. Biden is of course no Gorbachov, but faced with a clear defeat, he has also shown the willingness to back off and retreat in Afghanistan, and likely, hopefully, soon in Ukraine. China is still his number 1 threat, not Russia, not Europe, although each axis naturally serves to support the other.
There is also the not insignificant factor of the people, many of whom are still braindead and complacent, but many others are also very aware and increasingly concerned, demanding of action. I don't expect countries like Germany, with its decades of wealth and complacency, to wake up any time soon, but perhaps the recent sabotage of their infrastructure may just be the tipping point to spark a critical mass, particularly in those who had made many false assumptions about the entities upon whom they could rely on, and the status which they quite wrongly attributed to themselves.
One would imagine that Russia is working overtime in order to fill into any vacuums and capitalise on new defections, and make good of any examples of countries benefiting from cooperation with them, and expose those suffering from confrontation. Hungary vs Germany springs to mind. I cannot imagine Germans, both the people and politicians, being humiliated for too long faced with the likely contrast of the upcoming realities of this winter and beyond.
The big question still remains though, how will any of the hopefully rising change in opinion be materialised, against a ruthless, determined and powerful enemy, already within the gates, and with such a firm grip on power?
Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2022 12:45 utc | 31
@Et Tu #30
I must admit I think you are being a little optimistic. It seems to me that a power able and willing to carry out such an operation with the knowledge and assistance of several(all?) European capitals in order to declare WW3 with not be put off by pesky little details like repair crews. But what do I know?
Posted by: Tim | Oct 1 2022 12:50 utc | 32
Posted by: Oui | Oct 1 2022 10:58 utc | 8
The situation is even worse than that.
1) The objective of the USA is to be able to export 50 Gm3 of natural gas per year to Europe in the form of LNG.
Even if it is achieved, it is largely insufficient to replace the 155 to 190 Gm3 that Russia supplies to the EU annually.
The plan proposed by Joe Biden for 2022 for example targets 15 Gm3, in association with all other producing countries.
It must also be taken into account that, counting on a future increase in its production, the US has signed a large long-term contract of 30 years with China that it will therefore have to honor.
2) This American production is based on shale gas, whose drilling is running out very quickly. To simply maintain the quantity produced, new, more expensive drilling is constantly needed.
Rather, quantities are expected to be reduced in the coming years.
3) No country in the world, alone or together, can replace the quantities supplied by Russia in the short term.
In the long run, the only solution outside Russia would be the world's largest gas field shared by Qatar and Iran. Qatar is counting on these reserves to increase from 185 Gm3 of current annual production to 300 Gm3 in a few years.
However, Qatar already has long-term contracts with several customers, which contracts the European Union refuses to sign, unlike China, Japan, South Korea or India, which therefore have priority.
Moreover, the banks, caught up in the ecological diktat, refuse to finance the investments necessary to develop these resources.
4) The approximate general scheme is as follows (rounded figures):
* 380~400 Gm3 is the annual consumption of the EU:
* 40 Gm3 is internal production;
* 340~380 are imported including:
* 155~190 from Russia,
* 100~110 from Norway,
* 20~25 from Qatar,
* 55~65 others including Algeria, USA,...
Norway is at its maximum production. If the other suppliers double their exports to Europe, this represents a maximum of 90 Gm3 more, still insufficient to replace Russian gas.
5) The other solution would be for Qatar to reserve almost all of its new production, 100 to 115 Gm3 to the European Union and for the UNITED States to terminate certain long-term contracts with Asian countries to supply Europe.
But for this to happen, Qatar requires the EU to finance investments to increase its production capacity, and to sign long-term contracts of at least 20 years, which it refuses.
6) THE main problem of the European Union is not the long term but the short term. Without Russian gas, the EU can spend the winter at great sacrifice, but it has no chance by the following winter. And it is not about LNG infrastructure but about lack of gas.
Unless, as now, they buy gas with China and India pretending not to know that it is Russian gas, paid more.
7) In the end, the Russian economy will be little impacted by this crisis. The cost of new LNG infrastructure and pipelines to Asia will be more than offset by current excess profits.
If some producers decide to terminate contracts to supply Europe as a priority, their former customers will naturally turn to Russia. The mere increase in China's need for natural gas is enough to replace the European market.
Europe is the only loser in this matter...
Posted by: UncleTom | Oct 1 2022 12:54 utc | 33
I foresee the rise of new anti-Nato European political parties in the future, but not until Europeans have suffered greatly, the Europeans have allowed the US to control their future via European politicians going along with US plans for Europe.
For the time being costs will rise in Europe for food and energy, as will unemployment as many European firms close their doors or head out of Europe to manufacture elsewhere.
Worse still Third-World countries will suffer the most, and Europe won't be in a position to help them.
From the link provided.
Why repair the pipelines only for them to be attacked again.
"seemingly for the foreseeable future, as Russia has announced that as the gas pressure falls in three of the four pipelines, the infusion of salt water will irreversibly corrode the pipes."
And also from the link.
The sabotage will cost Germany dearly.
"As a final kicker, Pepe Escobar pointed out on September 28 that “Germany is contractually obligated to purchase at least 40 billion cubic meters of Russian gas a year until 2030. … Gazprom is legally entitled to get paid even without shipping gas. That’s the spirit of a long-term contract. … Berlin does not get all the gas it needs but still needs to pay.” It looks like a long court battle before money will change hands – but Germany’s ability to pay will be steadily weakening."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 1 2022 12:54 utc | 34
ET TU 30
Excellent comment. Humanity should hopefully persevere.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 1 2022 12:55 utc | 35
I read the whole thing last night and it sounded to me like a very persuasive call to arms. There was nothing in it that was not based in fact and I remain of the opinion that humanity itself is on trial.
Posted by: chunga | Oct 1 2022 12:55 utc | 36
Thank you Mr. Putin. Pretty good speech for a non-communist.
Posted by: Jun | Oct 1 2022 13:00 utc | 37
Tulsi Gabbard in the USA.
Which may be why she is no longer in Congress.
Posted by: Hermit | Oct 1 2022 13:12 utc | 38
@4 Sam
Ireland, Mick Wallace and Clare Daly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8tPMdycvLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZewMMe-VDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBdhW4nrNAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1iqjlwUjdk
Not seen on MSM of course.
Posted by: Joe | Oct 1 2022 13:21 utc | 39
@ Posted by: Tim | Oct 1 2022 12:50 utc | 31
Of course, although even a sociopath like Biden understands that in order for an alliance to work, even its most powerful member must rely on its vassals loyalty, and offer something of value in return, particularly when operating on their own turf. The US is not the only actor capable of assassinations, sabotage, terrorism and betrayal. There is a lot of US personnel and hardware in Europe; one wonders for how long, should they be perceived as occupiers. Europe is not Iraq or Afghanistan.
I view the sabotage more in terms of it buying time and prolonging the war for now, with the added benefit of causing a physical barrier to anyone reversing policy, but that is always vis a vis weakening Russia than wearing Europe down per se.
Yes there is this long term project of shutting Russian energy out of Europe, but faced with a collpasing continent and freezing winters, should that scenario occur, all stakeholders must eventually deal with the realities that brings, particularly when everyone can see the politics behind it and the one sided aspects of those dynamics.
It is one thing to become poor or die because of a natural disaster, it is another one entirely if it is due to the capricious and selfish impositions of supposed allies and those engaged to 'protect' you. A recently victorious Russia may well want have a say in that too. Putin was chastising Western elites and some of the West's questionable, artificially promoted values of recent times, but never the European people, whom he has repeatedly said deserve better leadership, and long tried to explain the benefits of mutual trade to.
Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2022 13:29 utc | 40
@ Please list any and everyone who has publicly spoken out against the ongoing armament of Ukraine and wants to see the conflict end.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 1 2022 10:53 utc | 4
And opinions of
Darndil | Oct 1 2022 10:58 utc | 8
David | Oct 1 2022 11:25 utc | 19
Sorry to have to say that, BUT
Ségolène Royal or Sarah Wagenknecht are not speaking on behalf of DieLinke or PartiSocialist and were denouced as Putin's Lovers by their own "friends"
AfD and Alice Weidel, that's perhaps frightening but are the only political alternative to the warmongers. Yes, frightening, all others are pro-war.
And Scholtz for SPD is after Bismarck and A.H., the 3rd German Chancellor to have a dream: rebuild the German Army as the most powerful in Europe.
And in France, the only one polical party is Rassemblement National of Marine LePen
Days before the second round of the French presidential elections, far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen (Rassemblement National, RN) spelled out some of her foreign policy priorities: limit military support to Ukraine and steer clear from voting new sanctions against Russia; leave NATO’s integrated command; and relaunch a “strategic rapprochement between NATO and Russia” as soon as peace between Moscow and Kiev can be secured.
Yes, that's frightening. But we must accept this reality. The United Front against Nato dictatorship need to unite with those peoples too.
Not easy, but noway without
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 1 2022 13:36 utc | 41
The mere increase in China's need for natural gas is enough to replace the European market.
Posted by: UncleTom | Oct 1 2022 12:54 utc | 33
Maybe, in 5+ years, when the new pipes are finished. But those pipes can be exploded as well or at least sanctioned until delayed for a long time. All these grand plans are based on nothing real so far. While they do look great, as great as Samarkand summit, I admit.
Look at today's news: Austria blocked gas from Russia to Italy. Zero, nothing. Yesterday, TurkStream has lost its EU license and while it still can move gas freely, there are no more repairs. If a little birdie shits on it, bye bye Hungary and Serbia.
Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 13:40 utc | 42
Europe was quite happy throwing the craddle of western civilization to the wolves in 2010. A decade later it is happilly throwing itself to the wolves in name of the most corrupt nation on earth & that happens to be plagged with pure blood nazis.
God bless, indeed. Europe's gonna need it.
Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Oct 1 2022 13:48 utc | 43
Posted by: Sam | Oct 1 2022 10:53 utc | 4
Can anyone name any elected politician in Europe or America that has called for de-escalation and for a peace deal to be struck between Ukraine and Russia?
Please look here:
She - formerly elected, but now retired - suggests talks about an European security achitecture and says clearly that "Russia must be included" in such talks.
Regarding the topic of this thread: Putin's nice words are spoken into the wind. A storm will come. Putin has opened the door for it. Nobody will be able to control its flashes. Even Putin himself will be overwhelmed. And his words will be forgotten, throughout the storm into the faded thunder.
Putin is a figure on the chessboard. Call him a king. He had the option to talk to the white pawns and to the black pawns - and incite a revolution together with all of them and together with some other figures against these people who are playing the chessboard. But he was satisfied to be a figure in one of the two parties and to follow the rules. He could have stopped the play but he decided to continue. History will therefore go over him. And it doesn't matter whether he or the others represent the black party or the white one.
And one thing I can tell You further, from a German reader to other German readers here, but also to readers from other European countries and to US citizens as well: in a few years You will all cry and weep over the gone happy times where You have been a brave slave of the 'hegemon'. Because we are only at the beginning of the war. We are in the year 1938/1939. There are about six or seven years ahead to come. And years of hunger afterwards, too.
Sorry!
Gerhard
Posted by: Gerhard | Oct 1 2022 14:06 utc | 44
@Powerandpeople | Oct 1 2022 11:09 utc | 15
Ironically, one of the last pipelines to Germany is thru Ukraine.
I really don't understand why nobody is mentioning YAMAL pipeline in any calculations.
As far as I understand it is still operational but locked, and Poland keep the key.
As it is now, Poland is the only natural gas hub in N. Europe, for now only 10bcm, but reactivated YAMAL could bring another 30bcm or so. Furthermore, Poland can now overcharge Germany for gas (as opposed to what Germany did until few days to them), use that gas, and at the same time pretend to not use 'Russian gas?
Or I missing something?
Posted by: ldragon | Oct 1 2022 14:13 utc | 45
Basically it's not even the US and UK - it's the "Anglo-American Establishment" of which Carroll Quigley wrote about.
It's the Banksters of which Antony C. Sutton wrote about in his "Wall Street Trilogy".
The same ruling elite USMC Major General Smedly Butler warned about.
Adn their first victims already were the British and American peoples themselves, at least since founding of the FED and with turning the US into an expanding Empire (something the founding father's never wanted and vehemently opposed).
One could also look up the videos of Corbett Report about the "WWI Conspiracy".
Now we see the same groups being the US-Deep State at the core of a globalist elite that has infested the Western World and beyond. Like with all the Round Table Groups, the World Economic Forum and what not.
Supported by the most powerful companies - like Black Rock, Vanguard, Alphabet Inc. and so on.
Personified by shaddy figures like the Rockefellers, Gates, Soros or Fink and all their henchman in media and politics.
There is the actual enemy!
Posted by: Sandokan | Oct 1 2022 14:14 utc | 46
One man. Changing the world. Changing an era. Changing history.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 1 2022 14:21 utc | 47
ldragon | Oct 1 2022 14:13 utc | 45
They simply don't want to. Poland is using coal anyway. And trees. Being eco does not apply to US or their puppets. Now they have that tiny pipe and get some gas too.
Poland received thousands more US soldiers now. It's becoming like Germany or Japan, basically a US state. They can't escape even if they want to.
No one is allowed to buy from Russia and that is all there is to know. Don't look for any other logic.
Russia seems to need that money a lot, they're using Ukr pipes, only a single one they're allowed to by Zely, sponsoring the nazis they claim to be fighting.
Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 14:23 utc | 48
Poland will start receiving gas from Norway this month, coincidentally Poland's contract with Russia on Russian gas expires this month, the Polish were pretty pleased when the Russian pipelines in the Baltic Sea were attacked. Denmark will also buy Norwegian gas.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 1 2022 14:27 utc | 49
It's a pleasant change to read this thread, where the trolls are few and brief. The Open Thread (Ukraine) is rank with NATO joy at another pyrrhic victory.
Posted by: Paul Spencer | Oct 1 2022 14:40 utc | 50
The situation in Krasny Liman demonstrates that the Ukraine regime and it's backers did not listen. Is is clear.
Posted by: chunga | Oct 1 2022 14:41 utc | 51
It reminds me of the movie The Matrix, where people are told the truth and then try to free themselves from the control of the system.
"China and Russia were building a new financial system for their allies and business partners. Sanctions by western elites on so many nations and on so many powerful and rich people around the world, had led to their desire to escape the reach of the business elites who control American and European politicians from behind the scenes. It was only a matter of time until American and European financial control over the world would end as more and more countries became dependent on China and Russia for their imports and exports, for loans, for weapons, etc. The elites of America and Europe could see the writing on the wall and were determined to put a stop it." From Zelenskyy Begs For NATO Entrance After Destruction Of Nordstream or: “There must be some way out of here” Said the joker to the thief
Posted by: Kali El | Oct 1 2022 14:46 utc | 52
Posted by: Steve | Oct 1 2022 10:57 utc | 7
I used to think that this kind of thing only happens in the so-called third world countries.
Betraying the people is how third world countries are created. In this case, creating a third world continent.
Posted by: jhill | Oct 1 2022 14:47 utc | 53
@chunga | Oct 1 2022 14:41 utc | 51
The generals didn't get the memo that Donbass is becoming Russia either so why would Ukr or nato listen to Putin? To be correct, Donbass isn't Russia yet, Putin's papers mean nothing without the vote next week. And who knows how long before it becomes active.
Liman started having problems weeks ago but no reinforcements or drones were sent. They tried something yesterday with a few bombs, apparently an unsuccessful help.
I completely understand retreat, to save those soldiers there. But nothing explains the stupidity of the rest. It also creates big propaganda problems because Ukr will say "look!!! Russians are running, you belong to us and we'll kill everyone who voted!!! give us all the info we need to target Russians". And they will.
Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 14:59 utc | 54
"As a final kicker, Pepe Escobar pointed out on September 28 that “Germany is contractually obligated to purchase at least 40 billion cubic meters of Russian gas a year until 2030. … Gazprom is legally entitled to get paid even without shipping gas. That’s the spirit of a long-term contract. … Berlin does not get all the gas it needs but still needs to pay.” It looks like a long court battle before money will change hands – but Germany’s ability to pay will be steadily weakening."Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 1 2022 12:54 utc | 34
That amount of gas can still be delivered via the existing land based lines. Assuming it is not, what court will enforce the payment under war-like conditions and the sanctions regime.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 1 2022 15:01 utc | 55
Europe though is fu**ed (recommended read). Our politicians have not only allowed our societies to be undermined by the U.S. but they have actively helped it along. They continue to do so despite the obviously coming economic and social catastrophe the U.S. has caused with the destruction of Europe's access to cheap energy.
The US has declared war on every person in Europe, and have installed their Quslings in power. We must terminate NATO, EU and send US occupation forces home.
Now we know what people in Iraq, Syria have been through. The US will attack anybody, including so called "allies".
Psychopaths do not have allies, only victims.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 15:07 utc | 56
@rk | Oct 1 2022 14:23 utc | 48
They simply don't want to.
Oh they for sure want to, remember they ask for new WW2 reparations (1.3T) from Germany, but also want to keep the other side (USA) happy.
Russia seems to need that money a lot
No, they don't. They just don't want to unbordering EU countries to suffer unnecessarily.
Next targets will be Turkie, Serbia and Hungary, it will be 'UPS', just 'a sabotage', but everybody will know that it was and will be a terrorist act.
Posted by: ldragon | Oct 1 2022 15:13 utc | 57
@ rk -54 I listened to Mercouris yesterday describe Russian soldiers to be numbered at ~ 500 and they've been holding them at bay for a couple of weeks. No reinforcements were evidently sent, so what I surmise is that not much military significance was put on this area, at least possession of it for a short time. Although I do not know.
Russia seems to be operating on it's own timeline and do not sway from calls to "do this" or "do that". They do what they want, when they want, and that's final and there has to be some psychological component to that.
Once all the papers are officially filed and stamped, merely a formality to my eyes, Ukraine/NATO/US will have had ample time to understand "use of unnecessary violence has been approved".
Either that or they'll continue on at whatever pace deemed necessary.
Posted by: chunga | Oct 1 2022 15:22 utc | 58
Tom Luongo's long piece on the "whodunnit" of NS1-2 is food for thought and contains a nice shout out to Bernard. He says all roads lead to Davos and the Straussians. He claims Davos has the means to do it, without any proof. Realistically, could they have pulled it off using ex-military personnel and black market explosive devices?
I doubt it and the presence of numerous NATO military assets in the area conclusively points to one them.
He goes to great length to describe motive, particularly by the EU. My sense is that Luongo's motive is to deflect attention away from the USA, since they are now a potential object of eventual attack. Take his analysis with a huge grain of salt.
https://tomluongo.me/2022/09/29/the-curious-whodunit-of-nordstreams-1-and-2/
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 1 2022 15:29 utc | 59
@rk #42
Not clear what our point is.
All international infrastructure is easily attacked: cargo ships, airports, ports, internet subsea trunks, railroads etc.
LNG gasification and regasification are extremely vulnerable as are the couple of hundred LNG carriers.
That’s why attacking such infrastructure is stupid and short sighted.
Further escalating to infrastructure inside a country is even stupider: how well would the NE US hold up if the pipelines connecting to the Texas natural gas fields has an “accident”?
Not that it would necessarily stop numb but politicians and Intel agency types in certain countries.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 1 2022 15:32 utc | 60
@ Posted by: ldragon | Oct 1 2022 15:13 utc | 57
Erdogan already survived one NATO coup. That was personal, but he put his big boy pants on and played along for the best of his country and to keep himself in the game.
Any more pressure from the USA, or any hint of sabotage, and he will be forced to skip sides, if not officially, de facto, he already has all the bridges and is quietly biding his time, waiting for the right moment. The US knows this, and losing its most powerful ally at a time like this is not worth taking any unnecessary risks, even the dummies at State and psychos at Langley understand this. Turkey is not the economic threat that Germany is, it has already been suitably neutered in that dimension.
There is also the fact that Erdogan is no feckless leader, unlike Sergeant Scholz. The gates of hell will be unleashed on all US bases in the Middle East, leverage Germany simply does not have.
Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2022 15:48 utc | 61
@ 56 Norwegian
Your excellent comment provoked a random thought from me: so what do we do in North America when all these internationally-deployed troops do come home? It seems inevitable that they will. What will this mean for North American societies?
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 1 2022 15:51 utc | 62
@ Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 15:07 utc | 56
The US has declared war on every person in Europe, and have installed their Quslings in power. We must terminate NATO, EU and send US occupation forces home...The US will attack anybody, including so called "allies".
Have a look at Tom Luongo’s take on these seismic developments.
He argues that casting blame at any single country is misleading.
The argument is based on this idea that the US is now a rogue state fully controlled by neocons who see their opportunity to get their geopolitcial two-fer, going to war with Russia while also regaining dominance over a vassal Europe.Indeed this is the prevailing sentiment across the whole of the anti-US alternative media...
I, however, do not agree.
And the reasons are many. But it starts with the basic premise is that it is too easy.
Sure, the neocons wanted NS1 and NS2 removed from the game board. Neocons staff the lion’s share of important positions in the “Biden” National Security Council, his State Dept. and the Dept. of Defense. But the neoconservative axis doesn’t stop at the mouth of the Potomac. Their roots are deep within British Intelligence, Whitehall, City of London and yes, even Germany.
When you invoke the term neocon it is a very specific term for a very specific faction of people. They are rapacious, unwilling to compromise, indefatigable and embedded like ticks all across the Western political and intelligence infrastructure.
They are also incredibly easy to manipulate because all you have to do is give them a green light for mayhem and they will take it like a pit bull seeing a squealing rabbit....
Make no mistake, I’m not about to absolve ‘The US’ of any malfeasance here. Some aspect of ‘The US’ was involved. To think otherwise is also terminally naïve. No, what I’m going to do is remind everyone of the motivations, incentives and deficiencies of the players in the West and give you what I think is the best answer we will ever get (and why) as to the curious whodunit of the demise of Nordstream...
7. In the short run, the neocons think they’ve won a big victory. In the long run, it seals Europe’s fate by crashing their markets so they can blame Russia and the US for their bankruptcy while defaulting and consolidating power in Brussels.Blowing up NS1 and NS2 is a brilliant tactical move, it takes options from Putin and leaves him with more military than economic options. Why does anyone think the EU and Davos don’t benefit from this since this is what they actually wanted, prolonged war with Russia. Or am I misreading EU Commission President Ursula Von der Leyen, EU Foreign Minister Josep Borrell and NATO Sec. General Jens Stoltenberg? Curious.
In the long run this is a terrible strategic move because it now puts everyone’s infrastructure on the table. Everything is fair game now...
https://tomluongo.me/2022/09/29/the-curious-whodunit-of-nordstreams-1-and-2/
Luongo mentions the MOA
Posted by: suzan | Oct 1 2022 15:57 utc | 63
While I was slowly putting together that post, Opport Knocks posted link to same.
Posted by: suzan | Oct 1 2022 16:01 utc | 64
@Et Tu | Oct 1 2022 15:48 utc | 61
Everything you sad can be logically true, but I was talking about Turk Stream. The main target would not be the Turkey.
A few days ago, there was already an attempt to sabotage Turk Stream, on shore not underwater, you can find data if you are interested enough.
And yes, it would be 'hell unleashed' but who will be to blame? Russia, USA, aliens, nobody...
Posted by: ldragon | Oct 1 2022 16:01 utc | 65
Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 13:40 utc | 42
Not at all, because we are not talking about undersea pipelines passing through a lot of westerne contries..
The "Power of Siberia" gas pipeline does not pass through any country other than Russia and China, on the ground.
"Power of Siberia 2", passes through Mongolia before arriving in China. To explode them, you would have to be in one of these territories. They are therefore more secure corridors.
Before these two pipelines, Russia supplied China with gas in the form of LNG by train. This mode therefore always remains active.
The other North-South route crosses the Caspian Sea to Iran. The West has no way of punishing it, and coming to blow it up with these two countries expecting an attack at any time will not be easy.
The North-South corridor is currently being considered for multimodal transport by train on Russian and Iranian soil and by boat on the Caspian and Gulf to India. Only the last stretch facing Saudi Arabia can present a risk, of which Iran has been aware for years.
Iran has even considered a canal project linking the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf or Oman; which would allow "protected" maritime traffic. Lack of funding and sanctions prevented its realization but now, within the framework of the SCO, it can count on Russia and a little less on China.
Another project would be a gas pipeline through Afghanistan to India and Pakistan.
All these projects did not have much relevance for Russia when its main market was Europe. Now it is turning to Asia and, thanks to the sanctions, has a lot of cash to achieve them.
All these countries are already under sanctions, which makes them free to conduct their projects on their soil without fear.
Posted by: UncleTom | Oct 1 2022 16:05 utc | 66
One of the greatest speeches of all time. Thank you, Mr Putin. A true statesman. A distinguished leader.
God Bless Russia. May she live in peace and strength. People all over the world are with you.
Posted by: Stellar | Oct 1 2022 11:30 utc | 22
Amen
Posted by: juliania | Oct 1 2022 16:16 utc | 67
@Opport Knocks | Oct 1 2022 15:29 utc | 59
My sense is that Luongo's motive is to deflect attention away from the USA, since they are now a potential object of eventual attack. Take his analysis with a huge grain of salt.Yes, I had the exact same reaction reading that piece. Thanks for the confirmation.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 16:23 utc | 68
@ Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 1 2022 15:29 utc | 59
While i must admit a good part of Luongo's bond market analysis is above my pay grade, i also know, to quote his words, that he 'never met a global problem he couldn't blame on' 'Davos' or Europeans.
As an American, I believe there is also a good dose of cognitive dissonance guiding his analysis. While in admitting his own Government's role in this act, he refrains from giving it agency in it too.
I find naive his insistence to make a distinction between Europe's 'Davos' and the various US-Anglo-Western empire's power conglomerates, as if they ever were anything other than heads of the same Hydra, plaguing humanity for centuries, and eloquently described by Putin last night: Western colonial greed, exercised through banks, corporations and the military.
Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2022 16:28 utc | 69
A bit o/t, but I haven't heard much about DeuschBank and it's gazillions of derivatives. Also, I fail to see how a bankrupt European economy helps the average American. We're already experiencing supply chain problems and inflation.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 1 2022 16:34 utc | 70
@Bruised Northerner | Oct 1 2022 15:51 utc | 62
Your excellent comment provoked a random thought from me: so what do we do in North America when all these internationally-deployed troops do come home? It seems inevitable that they will. What will this mean for North American societies?
Well, unless people in North America want to be blaimed for what the US government is doing, the first thing you need to do is remove this insane administration before the whole world goes under. Then rebuild your country using new principles: Stop telling yourself you are "exceptional" over and over again, the only result is that you start believing it.
Stop insane militarism. Re-introduce proper education. Maybe you should simply split the USA into ISA, Independent States of America, remove the power of Washington.
I don't know, fix your problems at home, don't wage war on us because we will hate you for it.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 16:34 utc | 71
surprised he didn't throw canada into the list of vassals...though we're hardly our own country anymore. we're almost as big as russia, bigger than china and could learn from russia to be self-sufficient and able to withstand isolation. instead we have a bunch of dumb french assholes acting as middle managers while the idiots down south get whatever they want. kinda like france, i guess. as for spain...it's spain. good riddance.
russia and china have both picked up where the USSR and cuba left off as far as "exporting revolution" though it could be seen as counter-revolution since the countries needing assistance tend to be CIA/NED couped and occupied...ukraine comes to mind. china especially has pulled some very zen mind tricks when it comes to using debt in a non-IMF way and russia just had a lot of basically everything...gas, wheat, etc.
all the west has is fake money and nukes.
Posted by: the pair | Oct 1 2022 16:38 utc | 72
@suzan | Oct 1 2022 15:57 utc | 63
He argues that casting blame at any single country is misleading.
Sure. How many divisions do the Davos lunatics command over? Is USS Kearsarge one of their assets?
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 16:39 utc | 73
ldragon | Oct 1 2022 14:13 utc | 45
Poland seized the Yamal pipeline from Gazprom, it is unlikely that they will use it again beyond Belarus.
Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 1 2022 16:42 utc | 74
@ 63 Norwegian, I hope you are saying what I’m hoping you are saying ( and that your view is shared by NATO-newbies Sweden and Finland). Wishful thinking? Please leave me to it. Talk about taking off the glow I’d been wearing from Truth and Reconciliation Day, right quick. … I’m not sure how many more times Canada’s armed forces can hypothetically use “the post-tropical storm ate my homework” excuse.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 1 2022 16:46 utc | 75
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 16:34 utc | 71
The relationship between the US govt. and the US population is not severable. We are who we are and deserve hatred and sometimes nothing else will do. It is a constant source of frustration for me.
I honestly do not know a single non-cyber person where I'm at who has the slightest idea what Minsk I/II is and I look for them.
Posted by: chunga | Oct 1 2022 16:48 utc | 76
@Bruised Northerner | Oct 1 2022 16:46 utc | 75
I hope you are saying what I’m hoping you are sayingI don't read minds, so I don't know what you are hoping. I am just saying what my opinion is.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 16:52 utc | 77
thanks b.... sounds like putin is saying the usa-uk is a bully! he is right about that.. and not a very nice one either...
@ et tu... thanks for your posts...
@ norwegian - great comment! - "Psychopaths do not have allies, only victims." that is what is on display here...
@ chunga.... one of my favourite posters here at moa is grieved... he's in texas too, but he doesn't comment much.. he knows about minsk 1/11 and etc... you are not completely alone!
Posted by: james | Oct 1 2022 16:58 utc | 78
@chunga | Oct 1 2022 16:48 utc | 76
The relationship between the US govt. and the US population is not severable. We are who we are and deserve hatred and sometimes nothing else will do. It is a constant source of frustration for me.That seems like an honest assessment and if so it is a place to start fixing things.
I honestly do not know a single non-cyber person where I'm at who has the slightest idea what Minsk I/II is and I look for them.That is why I said what I said about education. People need to learn to recognize propaganda and seek truth for themselves. If they allow themselves to be corrupted by money and close their eyes to what is going on, I no longer have any time for them. The clock has run out.
Let it be clear we have Quislings over here, we are not without guilt. But the US has immense power that we do not have, and now you have attacked us with your military.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 17:01 utc | 79
He's wrong about strategic bombing, the Battle of the Ruhr in 1943 began the demolition of the German war economy.
Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 1 2022 17:01 utc | 80
Furter headaches for NATO … ehh Joe Biden the recent governing majorities in Sweden and Italy. Hungary and Serbia do NOT want to be enslaved by EU VDL diktats from Brussels.
Posted by: Oui | Oct 1 2022 10:58 utc | 9
This is wrong, as I as a Swede can most guaranteedly assure you. The former controlled opposition sucks US, EU and Israeli cock.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 1 2022 17:03 utc | 81
I suggest barflies think about how a hostile takeover is done by Finance Capitalism to an Industrial Capitalist entity--lots of case histories since that tactic was employed during the late 1970s and accelerated by Reagan/Thatcher Neoliberal Parasitism in the 1980s and beyond. IMO, that's what's happening to the EU. It was organized in a particular fashion so this outcome could be attained.
Hudson's essay is fantastic and deserves to go viral.
@ karlof1 | Oct 1 2022 17:06 utc | 82
karl - b linked to it here on the bottom of his article... see the is f**ked link.. cheers... yes - great article, but his latest book is a much more thorough tour de force... people would really benefit from ordering a copy of his latest book...
Posted by: james | Oct 1 2022 17:12 utc | 83
I notice a German-appealing flavor in Putin's speech: mentions the unnecessarily destruction of Cologne, Dresden and Hamburg in WW2; names the "Anglo-Saxons" as the main culprits and views NS as part of of a "Paneuropean infrastructure".
The German government is extremely tight-lipped regarding the sabotage; in a situation like this a hotline to the Russians would be extremely valuable and has probably been established.
As one poster above has noticed, Merkel has now intervened with a relatively pro-Russian remark.
Spannend.
Posted by: mk | Oct 1 2022 17:13 utc | 84
I think this is a natural comment to Putin's remarks on Europe, by the Duran
GBP and EURO collapse continues. EU/UK leaders on borrowed time
Alexander Mercouris anticipates that Hungary will leave the EU.
The collapse is happening very fast now.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 17:17 utc | 85
@karlof1 | Oct 1 2022 17:06 utc | 82
Sometimes the industrial capitalism takeover goes sideways. Take this short GlobalLink video of BASF's expansion in China for example.
GLOBALink | Economic Impulses: German chemical giant bullish on investing in China
German chemical giant BASF has several production sites with a wide range of products in China. The company is optimistic about the Chinese market and eyes to further increasing investment in China.
Russian gas in an essential industrial input for BASF.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 1 2022 17:18 utc | 86
Thank you for sharing your opinions, Norwegian. And by the way, Canada’s armed forces is already having to explain why it’s prioritizing domestic disaster recovery efforts over deployment elsewhere.
https://twitter.com/Murray_Brewster/status/1575098388365938689
Sigh. Thanks for the drinks, like George Thorogood & the Destroyers, for the rest of the day, I drink alone. Cheers to the bar!
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 1 2022 17:22 utc | 87
@UncleTom | Oct 1 2022 16:05 utc | 66
Thanks for that.
Btw, I read that India was sanctioned today by US for some oil trade with Iran and Algeria will be sanctioned for weapons bought from Russia. It's good they're so stupid, sanctions are really an almost one shot weapon.
Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 17:23 utc | 88
The European elites are stupid. During the Madoff Fraud many invested with Bernie Madoff suspecting that something wasn't right but convinced they were "too important" for someone to dare to defraud them.
Instead they assumed Madoff was obtaining real returns by criminal methods and wanted to partake while remaining clean.
The European slaves also believe that they are too important to the US to pull such stunts on them. I think they ain't seen nothing yet.
Posted by: bottle | Oct 1 2022 17:27 utc | 89
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 1 2022 14:21 utc | 47
Contrary to what you say, and to what the West thinks, Vladimir Putin is not alone.
This is why their "regime change" project is so absurd...
Posted by: UncleTom | Oct 1 2022 17:31 utc | 90
@Bruised Northerner | Oct 1 2022 17:22 utc | 87
Thank you for sharing your opinions, Norwegian. And by the way, Canada’s armed forces is already having to explain why it’s prioritizing domestic disaster recovery efforts over deployment elsewhere.Does that mean those who ask those questions would prefer Canada’s armed forces wage war "elsewhere" rather than help rebuild things at home? More destruction in Ukraine for example? If so, why?
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 17:31 utc | 91
Putin is a statesman, intelligent and thoughtful (in contrast to Frau Baerbock - the "German" foreign minister - he actually has a law degree and written a dissertation) and a "leader" in the best sense of the word ...(trying to protect his country and the moral values Russians believe in)
We (in Europe) have only spineless and gutless politicians (especially in Germany) who should be tried for High Treason ...
(As should the "Straussians" in the US (often referred to as "neocons"):
https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-profits-from-pipeline-terror/5795118 (pepe escobar)
Diplomatic sources confirm that Berlin and Moscow were involved in a secret negotiation to solve both the NS and NS2 issues. So they had to be stopped – no holds barred.
Pls read the whole article particularly "The Attack of the Straussians":
US Secretary of State Blinken and his underling, Victoria “F**k the EU” Nuland, are Straussians, now totally unleashed, having taken advantage of the black void in the White House. As it stands, there are at least three different “silos” of power in a fractured Washington. For all Straussians, a tight bipartisan op, uniting several high-profile usual suspects, DESTROYING GERMANY is paramount.
According to Escobar "dissident Beltway sources swear that the CIA is also NOT part of this game" (If true, is the prime suspect: MI-6 ?)
This is a great article by Diana Johnstone:
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/28/diana-johnstone-omerta-in-the-gangster-war/
Gangster war is what you wage when you already are the boss and won’t let any outsider muscle in on your territory. For the dons in Washington, the territory can be just about everywhere, but Tits core is occupied Europe.
By an uncanny coincidence, Joe Biden just happens to look like a mafia boss, to talk like a mafia boss, to wear a little lopsided half smile like a mafia boss.
Johnstone points out a very important thing (which nobody else seems to consider):
European opinion-makers are showing the result of 70 years of Americanization. [brainwashing: US interests and your interests are the same]Especially in Germany, but also in France and elsewhere, for decades the United States has systematically spotted up-and-coming young people, invited them to become “young leaders,” invited them to the United States, indoctrinated them in “our values” and made them feel like members of the great trans-Atlantic family. They are networked into top positions in politics and media. [Baerbock in Germany, Truss in the UK, Meloni in Italy...]In recent years, great alarm is raised about alleged Russian efforts to exert “influence” in European countries, while Europeans bathe in perpetual American influence: movies, Netflix, pop culture, influence in universities, media, everywhere
(Actually, Russia is extremely bad at "influence operations"; Putin and Lavrov just say what they mean, and mean what they say ...)
Posted by: Athena | Oct 1 2022 17:35 utc | 92
“Now we know what people in Iraq, Syria have been through.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 15:07 utc | 56
No we don’t!
I think that’s a very poor choice of countries to use for comparison.
We may find out a wee little bit in the coming years but c’mon, we’re not even close to being treated like that.
I’m surprised that those who responded to that post let that pass with no mention. Looking at
Bruised Northerner | Oct 1 2022 15:51 utc, suzan | Oct 1 2022 15:57 utc, james | Oct 1 2022 16:58 utc.
Further, I think it’s that kind of thinking that gives credence to Gerrard White’s point of view about ‘westies’.
He’s certainly not very wrong altho I think he paints with too broad a brush at times.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 1 2022 17:39 utc | 93
CHUNGA
I feel the same the so call anti war group I was in, are all in on bad Russia and China. The enviros refuse to acknowledge that the largest carbon emitter in the world by far is the Pentagon. That the green new deal is a farce, used to manipulate markets, and of course they are stuck on Ds are better then Rs. Both parties are fully owned by the oligarchs, both parties contribute to slaughter around the world in order to steal resources
Posted by: SUSAN | Oct 1 2022 17:43 utc | 94
@waynorinorway | Oct 1 2022 17:39 utc | 93
“Now we know what people in Iraq, Syria have been through.”Fine, I give you that. They have so far been much worse off than any of us, that is true. But what I tried to say (unsuccessfully) was that those countries were attacked with US military power. We have now seen the same US military power used against us. Yes, the effects so far are less severe, but the outlook in the near future is grim because of it.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 15:07 utc | 56No we don’t!
I think that’s a very poor choice of countries to use for comparison.
We may find out a wee little bit in the coming years but c’mon, we’re not even close to being treated like that.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 1 2022 17:45 utc | 95
[email protected], Mr luongo is an intelligent man but I disagree with him. USA is the evil and whereas EU is taking orders; it's because all EU politicians are paid by the USA.
One can argue that USA is controlled by a Jewish banking cabal who also controls the government.
It was always about controlling the world by a few whites and I think www3 is coming. USA is out of control.
Norwegian, #71, Stop insane militarism. Re-introduce proper education. Maybe you should simply split the USA into ISA, Independent States of America, remove the power of Washington.
I don't know, fix your problems at home, don't wage war on us because we will hate you for it.
Completely agree! As an aged us citizen, I am embarrassed, appalled, disgusted,enraged by what we as americans have installed in wash dc, or allowed to be installed, with the bidens, harris, oboomer and his harrigans, the neo con pschopaths, the eunuchs in congress, the intell cabal as fourth branch of govt.
This issue is how do we change this corruption, this crime ridden fourth branch of govt; we have no leaders: look at the two party system, it is a joke, imagine mc connell, mac carthy standing up to take on pelosi and her crooks.
I for one simply do not know where the hell to go for solutions, answers, policies; someone tell me what the gopers stand for: biden bad, biden bad.... trump absolutely is not the answer, he has the balls of a gnat: look at the psychopaths, the grifters, the liars, he had in his admin.
The fbi/cia as actors of the fourth branch must be dismantled-will it happen, not a chance without some very strong leaders to lead the charge-they simply are not found visible, present.
To sum it up, I am beyond despair, disgust. It may take an external event-believe putin is on it but can he do it.
Posted by: Taras77 | Oct 1 2022 17:56 utc | 97
while Europeans bathe in perpetual American influence: movies, Netflix, pop culture, influence in universities, media, everywhere
Posted by: Athena | Oct 1 2022 17:35 utc | 92
But note that this is only possible if you are actually intellectually inferior and of lesser morale.
Now half of the US has gone literally insane (men giving birth etc.) and Europe is lapping that up too.
I have many colleagues who have Ph.Ds, almost all have Masters degrees. My test of intelligence is the following: does he own a TV? Almost all do.
Posted by: bottle | Oct 1 2022 18:01 utc | 98
Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 1 2022 12:45 utc | 31 Great comment!
The Duran expect that Hungary & Viktor Orban soon will quit both the sinking EU and NATO. Than Hungary and Serbia will probably call for help from the Russian Federation, which will cause the sinking EU & NATO to grind their teeth even more. Prime minister Heger of Slovakia has voted against the latest energy plan of the EU saying that this is not in the interest of Slovakia. Probably prime minister Heger is looking at Hungary as the only working example of how to get out of the economic crisis that is looming over the EU. When Hungary, Serbia and Slovakia are getting together, it is to be expected that Bulgaria and Rumania will join the Orban bandwagon. Perhaps the Czech Republic will do the same when the present Fiala government has fallen.
I expect Russia to start a massive winter offensive which will effectively demilitarise & denazify the leftover of the Ukraine. Odessa, Nikolaev and Kharkov oblast will join the Russian Federation, while through the rump state Lvov-Kiev (former Ukraine) gas will flow again to Europe.
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Oct 1 2022 18:04 utc | 99
Posted by: rk | Oct 1 2022 17:23 utc | 88
I have a theory about this seemingly "irrational" behavior of the US with certain countries.
In my opinion, they thought they were bringing Russia to its knees with the combination of the three attacks:
* Weaken it militarily with Ukraine;
* Ruin it economically with sanctions;
* Isolate it diplomatically;
After that, they could have taken care of China which would have lost its main ally.
Not only does none of the three seem to work, but it also costs America to reveal its unreliable nature even with its allies.
In this regard, and despite the "RAND papers", I do not believe that German and European industry will relocate to the USA. Energy may be 8 times cheaper than in Europe but it is still 2 to 3 times more expensive than in Russia, China, Southeast Asia, India, Turkey, North Africa, etc...)
I am convinced that they have no intention of attacking militarily a country that has an army of 1.9 million men (soon 2 million), 25 million reservists, nuclear weapons and hypersonic weapons, and which in addition risks being supported by China.
The U.S. "plan B", in my opinion, is to cut the world in two, and remain the leader of at least one party.
* On the one hand, those who will continue to trade with Russia and China, and who will probably join the new world currency created by the BRICS,
* On the other hand, those who will have no choice or who will choose to remain the colonies and vassals of the United States, to keep the dollar and to give up their sovereignty.
I believe that those they are currently punishing are either those they identify as "lost" or those they want to force to choose (their) side.
Posted by: the pair | Oct 1 2022 16:38 utc | 72
No no, Canada is not a vassal, it is a backyard...
Posted by: UncleTom | Oct 1 2022 18:05 utc | 100
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I suspect that “subversion” should have been translated “sabotage” instead. There are some points I’d argue with (as if that would make any difference), but for the most part, I think he hit the nail on the head - with a sledge hammer.
Posted by: Commenter | Oct 1 2022 10:50 utc | 1