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October 21, 2022
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I was asking that question on Telegram, and someone already answered: Posted by: Nico | Oct 22 2022 19:30 utc | 101 Posted by: Hermit | Oct 21 2022 20:26 utc | 46 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 22 2022 19:34 utc | 102 indian punchline has a good article up today – Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 19:54 utc | 103 Rolling Stone, on the quite strange, clean and complete disappearance of ABC investigative journalist James Gordon Meek, in the wake of an FBI raid on his highrise apartment at 5 AM on April 27, 2022:
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2022 19:56 utc | 104 @ Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2022 19:56 utc | 105 Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 20:15 utc | 105 Dr. John Campbell’s has released a new video on “gain of function” research going on in Boston. The paper he reviews in his video indicates that scientists have made a COVID virus powerful enough to kill 80 percent of those infected with it. Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 22 2022 20:23 utc | 106 Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 22 2022 11:53 utc | 98 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 22 2022 20:40 utc | 107 The Panda goes full Gangster. WTF is this about?? Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 22 2022 20:46 utc | 108 Empire of Lies continues to spread Chaos Posted by: BM | Oct 22 2022 20:51 utc | 109 See for yourself how former leader Hu Jintao was removed from the CCP congress today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQSN2wLDRo&t=1s Posted by: Antonym | Oct 22 2022 21:05 utc | 110 @Tom Pfotzer multiple Posted by: Hermit | Oct 22 2022 21:13 utc | 111 WTF is this about?? Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 22 2022 21:30 utc | 112 https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16061 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 22:24 utc | 113 https://t.me/ZandVchannel/35709 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 22:59 utc | 114 Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 22 2022 20:46 utc | 110 Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2022 23:52 utc | 115 What was the Hu Jintao incident about?! Posted by: Nico | Oct 23 2022 0:02 utc | 116 I asked the question on another platform and someone replied that the guy who escorted Hu out, was the same one who escorted him in before. Posted by: Nico | Oct 23 2022 0:47 utc | 117 Just testing whether or not typing Telegram leads to the deletion of a post… Posted by: Nico | Oct 23 2022 0:48 utc | 118 Hu Jintao is not an important leader, he is a transitional leader. The first five years were shrouded in Jiang’s control, and Xi’s succession was confirmed for the next five-year term. Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 1:23 utc | 121 So any news about Hu Jintao will make the Chinese feel very strange. Not realistic. Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 1:28 utc | 122 Checking the links that Et Tu put up @ 111, I see that one of them says that Hu Jintao was escorted out of the Congress close to its conclusion. The timing of his early departure might be significant. He may have been escorted out early because, as others have noted, his health is frail and for him to leave as others are leaving might cause delays for him and them, especially if other politicians have further meetings to attend in tight schedules. Posted by: Jen | Oct 23 2022 1:29 utc | 123 I don’t think that’s the point either. Xi’s rule was stable, for five years. Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 1:38 utc | 124 On Hu Jintao, this item “The results of the XX Congress of the CPC are a signal for the fifth column in Russia: Xi Jinping won a resounding victory over the pro-American ‘Komsomol members’ led by the former head of the PRC Hu Jintao,” was linked by a commentator at Escobar’s VK under a thread he started showing a still pic of Hu being helped from his seat. The expressions on the faces of Xi and the man seated next to him are certainly open to a variety of interpretations, one of which is contempt for Hu. The author is Elena Panina, Director of the RUSSTRAT Institute, and begins thusly:
All that and the rest is very curious for me since I have no information on the various factions within the CPC. I note that BigLie Media is speculating with negative interpretations, which may be some offhanded manner of confirmation as to his faction’s position. Here’s what Escobar wrote:
Oh my god they killed Kenny (spriter?) again , bastards. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 23 2022 1:40 utc | 126 Jen @126– Re: Hu Jintao Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 1:57 utc | 128 According to the Chinese news agency, Hu Jintao left the CPC Congress session early due to health reasons; Posted by: JB | Oct 23 2022 2:01 utc | 129 karlof1@128– Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 2:12 utc | 130 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 23 2022 2:54 utc | 140 Posted by: Another Brother Ma | Oct 23 2022 2:33 utc | 131 At the same time, people also know that the competition between China and the United States is bound to be long-term. Therefore, we hope to have a young leadership team to persevere in the confrontation and achieve the final victory. Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 2:34 utc | 132 Experienced leaders lead younger subordinates, which is called “bringing the old with the new” and is a routine way to solve complex problems. Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 2:39 utc | 133 sounds like meek was working for the cia and decided he or his boss wanted a change for him..
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:45 utc | 134 @ Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:45 utc | 136 Posted by: james | Oct 23 2022 2:49 utc | 135 @ james Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:52 utc | 136 @ james Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:52 utc | 137 Over in Canada’s city of Toronto, city councillor running for re-election, Cynthia Lai, just died. She also wasn’t feeling well reportedly. An immigrant from Hong Kong in the 1970’s, she became the first Chinese-Canadian president of the Toronto Real Estate Board. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 23 2022 2:54 utc | 138 @ Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:52 utc | 138 Posted by: james | Oct 23 2022 3:03 utc | 139 All these silly opinions on implications of Hu Jintao being escorted out of the closing meeting at the CPC 20th Congress. It shows how little people in the west ‘understand’ China. Hu was helped from his seat to leave the meeting early because he wasn’t feeling well. His presence at the Congress was making the statement that he endorses the continuation of this Standing Committee versus the unspoken protocol of vacating office after 10 years of service on the Standing Committee. It was a manifestation of unity, in goal and in thoughts. But he is nearly 80 years of age (in a month and 1/2). He is feeling sick. What’s wrong with someone helping him walk? Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2022 3:09 utc | 140 I think we will have to wait to see what the story is on Hu Jintao, right now all is feverish speculation, the westerm MSM is worthless as a source. Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 23 2022 3:15 utc | 141 Ying @123 & Oriental Voice @142– ing @123 & Oriental Voice @142– Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 3:29 utc | 143 Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 3:29 utc | 145 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 3:52 utc | 144 @ Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 22 2022 20:23 utc | 109 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 4:00 utc | 145 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 4:00 utc | 147 Posted by: K | Oct 23 2022 4:33 utc | 146 Re: Hu Jintao Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 4:33 utc | 147 @151 funnythat Posted by: Jun | Oct 23 2022 4:43 utc | 148 NO CRAP GUIDE TO THE 20TH CCP CONGRESS* Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 4:47 utc | 149 https://www.sundaymail.co.zw/plot-to-smear-chinese-investments-unmasked Posted by: farm ecologist | Oct 23 2022 4:47 utc | 150 someone said: Posted by: funnythat | Oct 23 2022 4:48 utc | 151 Re: James Gordon Meek Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 23 2022 4:49 utc | 152 @ Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 9:39 utc | 194 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 4:51 utc | 153 Hu Jintao’s name is still in the list of frontline comrades of the Great Hall in the official press document sent out by Global Times in its Chinese version. Prior to this event, Hu’s health has been slowly deteriorating, something which had been sparsely reported over the years, but obviously it’d be drowned out by yesterday’s sensationalist news by now. Posted by: bonks | Oct 23 2022 5:09 utc | 154 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 3:52 utc | 146 Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 5:21 utc | 155 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 9:39 utc | 196 Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 5:29 utc | 156 Below is a Xinhuanet posting about the 7 at the top of the political structure in China. Any barflys know if this represents change and if so , what sort>
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 5:44 utc | 157 Hu being escorted and confused reminded me of a man with dementia. There are plenty of lucid episodes but then sundowning (not necessarily at night) can occur. Also in elderly without dementia, even a simple cold /UTI can induce a state of confusion… in which case, it looks as though he was escorted with patience and respect. Posted by: nulya | Oct 23 2022 5:44 utc | 158 karlof1 | Oct 23 2022 3:22 utc | 144 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 5:47 utc | 159 Putin has decided to eat into Musk’s market share:
I’m surprised this is Russia’s first foray into satellite broadband though. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 5:52 utc | 160 Below is a story at Xinhuanet that I am not seeing elsewhere
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 5:53 utc | 161 Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 1:57 utc | 131 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 5:53 utc | 162 Posted by: funnythat | Oct 23 2022 4:48 utc | 151 Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 5:54 utc | 163 @114 Hermit: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 23 2022 5:57 utc | 164 As for the 24*7 monsterisation of BRI…
http://africanagenda.net/big-bad-china-in-africa-or-western-jealousy/ Posted by: denk | Oct 23 2022 6:02 utc | 165 Hu Jintao Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 6:03 utc | 166 @Melaleuca Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 6:27 utc | 168 @ Tom Pfotzer | Oct 23 2022 5:57 utc | 157 asking Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 6:51 utc | 169 Chinese Lei will have a live stream on her Youtube channel about the ‘removal’ of ex president Hu Jintao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOeeX4gFAz0 Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:00 utc | 170 @151 funnythat Posted by: Jun | Oct 23 2022 7:05 utc | 171 Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 6:27 utc | 159 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 172 Elan Musk has not amused the Biden mafia.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 173 @106 james | Oct 22 2022 19:54 utc
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 23 2022 7:16 utc | 174
So writes Thomas Röper of anti-spiegel.ru but do take time and the utoob translate to hear this lecture. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2022 7:19 utc | 175 Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 5:21 utc | 153 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 7:19 utc | 176 On all mainland China’s (=government) media nothing can be found about Hu Jintao health problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_zVtrFpzs Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:21 utc | 177 Imagine Donald Trump’s personal body guard removing Joe Biden during some huge public congress with everyone looking away? Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:29 utc | 178 Grieved | Oct 23 2022 7:16 utc | 164 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 7:31 utc | 179 Interesting. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 7:42 utc | 180 Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 164 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 7:47 utc | 181 Norwegian Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2022 7:50 utc | 182 There is a posting on a web site that shall not be named with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 7:52 utc | 183 An Afternoon with Ray McGovern August 2022 (discussion, Q&A, on Russia china US geopolitics, current and some history) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcjf32zQtso&t=2206s Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 23 2022 7:56 utc | 184 Interesting times. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 7:58 utc | 185 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 23 2022 2:54 utc | 141 Posted by: Another Brother Ma | Oct 23 2022 7:59 utc | 186 Check who of these hundreds (thousands?) of people were NOT wearing a mask? Only those around Xi Jinping. Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 8:03 utc | 187 @ Antonym | Oct 23 2022 8:03 utc | 174 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 8:17 utc | 188 Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:29 utc | 168 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 23 2022 8:17 utc | 189 Anti China propaganda in our gov owned tabloid here in oz now overtaking the Ukraine propaganda. War with China – game on. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 8:27 utc | 190 The good man’s PhD is not issued by a school of medicine! Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2022 8:31 utc | 191 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 8:27 utc | 177
I’m a firm believer in going with the flow and letting the Wheel of Dharma do it’s work. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 8:38 utc | 192 How the self anointed sheriff performed
https://tinyurl.com/nhd8ae7x
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/04/30/iovt-a30.html Posted by: denk | Oct 23 2022 8:38 utc | 193 Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 8:03 utc | 174 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 8:43 utc | 194 Posted by: Grieved | Oct 23 2022 7:16 utc | 165
What Putin has done is essentially weaken the NATO alliance by sticking a spoke in any future unified effort by NATO to act militarily against Russia. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 8:56 utc | 195 Did you mention this? Posted by: njet | Oct 23 2022 8:58 utc | 196 sippy the shot glass | Oct 23 2022 8:17 utc | 176 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 9:00 utc | 197 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 5:53 utc | 156
He also definitely looks unwell and appears to be having a “Biden Moment”. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 9:07 utc | 198 Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 164
Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 5:54 utc | 157 (yes, numbers of posts keep shifting, time looks the same) Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 9:11 utc | 199 China knows it’s getting stronger’: George Yeo on US-China tensions|Talking Post with Yonden Lhatoo Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 9:13 utc | 200 |
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