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October 21, 2022
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I was asking that question on Telegram, and someone already answered:
He or she said that the person who escorted Hu Jintao out, was the same one who escorted him into the congress.
So, it might be that he was not expelled at all. Maybe he had to go to the toilet and needed help. He is around 80 years old.

Posted by: Nico | Oct 22 2022 19:30 utc | 101

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 21 2022 20:26 utc | 46
The problem with p(l)andemic rules is that at the time they were imposed upon unsuspecting populations by totalitarian bureaucrats, there was no pandemic. For that you should have needed an epidemic hitting 10% of most earthlings. This proportion of ten percent was never attained even after two years. The clever crooks at the WHO even tried to change the definition of pandemic on the fly to conform with the current so called Covid epidemic – which was an inflated epidemic of cases made up of mostly healthy citizens tested for no reason AND sick people hospitalized for others causes tested automatically.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 22 2022 19:34 utc | 102

indian punchline has a good article up today –
Russia’s homage to Nord Stream pipelines

Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 19:54 utc | 103

Rolling Stone, on the quite strange, clean and complete disappearance of ABC investigative journalist James Gordon Meek, in the wake of an FBI raid on his highrise apartment at 5 AM on April 27, 2022:
FBI Raids Star ABC News Producer’s Home

At ABC News, Meek’s sudden absence has left many of his colleagues perplexed, given that he still had time remaining on his contract. But his background was often shrouded in mystery. Some contemporaries were under the impression that he previously served in the military. One described a picture in his office that was taken in a desert, in which all of the others posing with Meek had their faces blacked out. One co-worker described him as sometimes gruff, but otherwise collaborative. Ben Sherwood, president of ABC News at the time, once lauded his accomplishments in a staff memo, noting Meek’s “vast knowledge of national security issues and skills as a deep-diving reporter.”
Now, Meek appears to be on the wrong side of the national-security apparatus. And no one can say for certain if law-enforcement officers actually removed him from the building. And thus, a riddle was born. Documents pertaining to the case remain sealed. [more]

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2022 19:56 utc | 104

@ Aleph_Null | Oct 22 2022 19:56 utc | 105
your link to (more) just brings me back to this page…
sounds like meek was working for the cia and decided he or his boss wanted a change for him..

Posted by: james | Oct 22 2022 20:15 utc | 105

Dr. John Campbell’s has released a new video on “gain of function” research going on in Boston. The paper he reviews in his video indicates that scientists have made a COVID virus powerful enough to kill 80 percent of those infected with it.
https://youtu.be/_WTZo9ieBKY

Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 22 2022 20:23 utc | 106

Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 22 2022 11:53 utc | 98
it is amazing that anyone listens to this john campbell dickhead. like pfizer, he’s there to do ONE thing:
respond to the market. where “markets” and “healthcare” conflict, he sides with “the market”. every time.
most people on this blog cannot imagine that a virus could interrupt their lives. destroy their societies, no matter what people try to do, assuming they live in a functioning society, which we don’t. science will save us! Look, Xi promising more nuclear power and self-driving cars! what a visionary.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 22 2022 20:40 utc | 107

Empire of Lies continues to spread Chaos
The US has ordered their proxy terrorists in Myanmar to outright declare civil war, yesterday. The local black market exchange rate for the Myanmar Kyat fell to half its value overnight. The official exchange rate is I suspect not affected – but access to foreign currency through the banks is limited for most people, due to balance of payments difficulties. Ordinary traders have to use the black market to get foreign currency for imports, so that means a massive hike in prices for ordinary people.
The US proxy terrorists in Myanmar – who have ISIS-like brutality – are trained by US and UK boots on the ground.

Posted by: BM | Oct 22 2022 20:51 utc | 109

See for yourself how former leader Hu Jintao was removed from the CCP congress today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQSN2wLDRo&t=1s
Different than Donald Trump’s removal!

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 22 2022 21:05 utc | 110

@Tom Pfotzer multiple
@K 61
You may find my The six great thefts of capitalism at The Greanville Post as well as the footnoted Evaluism somewhat useful too.

Posted by: Hermit | Oct 22 2022 21:13 utc | 111

WTF is this about??
Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 22 2022 20:46 utc | 109

Hu Jintao was too soft on Taiwan and other “Western” projects.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 22 2022 16:09 utc | 102
Is it MoA’s troll policing, or am i just having me a Marty McFly moment? seems my comments being replied to back in the future????

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 22 2022 21:30 utc | 112

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/16061

❗️🇫🇷 France admitted that sabotage at Nord Stream was of American origin
Florian Filippo, leader of the French Patriots party and former MEP, said that the sabotage of the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines demonstrated how far NATO can go in escalating the conflict around the Russian Federation.
In his opinion, the alliance is even ready to go for the use of nuclear weapons to give the “conflict a global character,” so that France must get out of this vicious circle.”
“Sabotage, probably of American origin, at Nord Stream showed what the NATO bloc is capable of. You need to be vigilant: this alliance is capable of the worst, up to the use of nuclear weapons under a false flag in order to give the conflict a global character, ”Reuters quotes him as saying.
-OstashkoNews

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 22:24 utc | 113

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/35709
🇪🇺 EU summit condemned sabotage against critical infrastructure such as Nord Stream and promised a “unified and decisive response”
Who do they mean?

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/35732
❗️🤔 Misterious story! Who could it be?

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 22 2022 22:59 utc | 114

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 22 2022 20:46 utc | 110
I think Chinese who got too enthusiastically in bed with Uncle Sugar and Capitalism are being informed that that was a mistake.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 22 2022 23:52 utc | 115

What was the Hu Jintao incident about?!
I doubt it was because he was soft on the West or Taiwan. There are others like him, and they were not expelled.
I wonder if there was a more serious reason for that humiliation, which is not Chinese in nature. In China even opponents are usually spared losing face.

Posted by: Nico | Oct 23 2022 0:02 utc | 116

I asked the question on another platform and someone replied that the guy who escorted Hu out, was the same one who escorted him in before.
It seems Hu’s health is poor and he needs help. Maybe he had to go to the toilet and that’s why he left before the others. At that age some people are incontinent…

Posted by: Nico | Oct 23 2022 0:47 utc | 117

Just testing whether or not typing Telegram leads to the deletion of a post…

Posted by: Nico | Oct 23 2022 0:48 utc | 118

#121
Obviously not, odd, my previous post got deleted.

Posted by: Nico | Oct 23 2022 0:56 utc | 119

胡锦涛不是重要领导人,他是过渡领导人。前五年笼罩在江泽民的控制下,后一个五年任期习进平已经确认接班。

Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 1:21 utc | 120

Hu Jintao is not an important leader, he is a transitional leader. The first five years were shrouded in Jiang’s control, and Xi’s succession was confirmed for the next five-year term.

Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 1:23 utc | 121

So any news about Hu Jintao will make the Chinese feel very strange. Not realistic.

Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 1:28 utc | 122

Checking the links that Et Tu put up @ 111, I see that one of them says that Hu Jintao was escorted out of the Congress close to its conclusion. The timing of his early departure might be significant. He may have been escorted out early because, as others have noted, his health is frail and for him to leave as others are leaving might cause delays for him and them, especially if other politicians have further meetings to attend in tight schedules.
At his age also, some people can and do make quite a fuss over small things, like the folder Hu tried to pick up and which Xi Jinping put his hand on, almost as if he was telling Hu that it would not go lost.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 23 2022 1:29 utc | 123

I don’t think that’s the point either. Xi’s rule was stable, for five years.

Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 1:38 utc | 124

On Hu Jintao, this item “The results of the XX Congress of the CPC are a signal for the fifth column in Russia: Xi Jinping won a resounding victory over the pro-American ‘Komsomol members’ led by the former head of the PRC Hu Jintao,” was linked by a commentator at Escobar’s VK under a thread he started showing a still pic of Hu being helped from his seat. The expressions on the faces of Xi and the man seated next to him are certainly open to a variety of interpretations, one of which is contempt for Hu. The author is Elena Panina, Director of the RUSSTRAT Institute, and begins thusly:

Xi Jinping is like Lenin: he crushes opponents first ideologically, and then organizationally. What does the execution of the leader of the pro-American lobby in China say?
The completion of the Twentieth Congress of the Communist Party of China was a blow to Ukraine and the pro-Western part of the political class of Russia. The appointment of key figures at the beginning of the congress was his main intrigue: will the balance of power between Xi Jinping’s army group and the pro-American Hu Jintao be preserved?
As a result, Xi Jinping won a resounding victory over the pro-American “Komsomol members” led by the former head of the PRC Hu Jintao. The latter was not only defeated organizationally, but also destroyed personally – they were taken out of the congress hall before its end in front of the eyes of the whole world.
What does that mean now? A lot. The collapse of his group, whose fate is now in the hands of Xi Jinping.
Despite the fact that Xi Jinping concentrated enough power in his hands, the Chinese Central Bank (People’s Bank of China) and the Ministry of Finance were guided by Hu Jintao, the main friend of the United States in China. Until recently, it was they who pursued a policy similar to that of the Central Bank of Russia: encouraging the export of capital and increasing investments in US securities. Now China’s financial bloc is waiting to be defeated.

All that and the rest is very curious for me since I have no information on the various factions within the CPC. I note that BigLie Media is speculating with negative interpretations, which may be some offhanded manner of confirmation as to his faction’s position. Here’s what Escobar wrote:

This was extremely embarassing – to say the least: former President Hu Jintao removed from the Great Hall of the People, and leaving an empty seat beside Xi Jinping, at the close of the 20th Party Congress.
NO ONE really knows the reason: kind of a state secret. Speculation in the Chinese net is at fever pitch.
It could be merely a health issue, considering how frail Hu really is.
Or it could be a graphic image promoting the shock of the new, the CPC version: Hu is now out of the Politburo, and so is his protege, Prime Minister Li Keqiang, whose two terms have ended.
Tomorrow is the Big Day. The new 205 members of the Central Committee have already been announced. They will elect the new Politburo Standing Committee – the Magnificent 7 that REALLY rule: Team Xi for the next 5 years.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2022 1:40 utc | 125

Oh my god they killed Kenny (spriter?) again , bastards.
“sprinter99880
This account doesn’t exist “
wackamole. Spriter will resurrect again and again
😂😂😂

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 23 2022 1:40 utc | 126

Jen @126–
One of the lead lines I read from UK BigLie Media (Daily Mail) was Hu was escorted out just after foreign media were allowed to enter, the aim being to imply a purge. I just saw its lead on a follow-up item that was directly accusatory of Hu being purged. Others had similar implications. For the West’s BigLie Media to react as they have signals the veracity of my presumption @128.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2022 1:53 utc | 127

Re: Hu Jintao
Xinhua, which should be pretty official, tweetted that he wasn’t feeling well.
I tried to look for a longer version of the video to see if there are signs of him feeling ill or something. Reuters writes that the video is from AFP, which has on youtube an unedited sequence, not much different from the ones that are circulating.
CCTV had a live streaming of the ceremony, it’s hard to tell, but the seat seems already empty in the first shot, so yeah, even if he was kicked out, he wasn’t kicked out live on national tv, still a big audience.

Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 1:57 utc | 128

According to the Chinese news agency, Hu Jintao left the CPC Congress session early due to health reasons;
This is the Ria Novosti piece (Google Translate);
BEIJING, Oct 22 – RIA Novosti. Former Chinese Communist Party Secretary General Hu Jintao left the hall early during the closing ceremony of the 20th CCP Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing due to poor health, the state-run Xinhua news agency reported on Twitter.
Xinhuanet correspondent Liu Jiawen found out that Hu Jintao insisted on attending the closing meeting of the 20th Congress of the Chinese Communist Party despite taking some time to recover.
When Hu Jintao felt unwell, aides escorted him to a room near the meeting site, the agency clarified.
https://ria.ru/20221022/tszintao-1825950831.html

Posted by: JB | Oct 23 2022 2:01 utc | 129

karlof1@128–
Sorry, I am using translation software, so there is a problem with the grammar.
Regarding Xi Jinping and China’s future political situation, I can only answer from a non-governmental perspective: Chinese people all know that there will be conflicts and conflicts with the United States and Europe, because since 2018, and even more, the United States government has been very unfriendly . The Chinese do not want to fail. Therefore, experienced leadership is required. for safety.

Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 2:12 utc | 130

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 23 2022 2:54 utc | 140
Cynthia Lai’s “Lai” is 賴. Jimmy Lai’s is 黎. Different surnames pronounced the same in Cantonese. Different pronunciation in Mandarin: 賴 is Lai and 黎 is Li.

Posted by: Another Brother Ma | Oct 23 2022 2:33 utc | 131

At the same time, people also know that the competition between China and the United States is bound to be long-term. Therefore, we hope to have a young leadership team to persevere in the confrontation and achieve the final victory.

Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 2:34 utc | 132

Experienced leaders lead younger subordinates, which is called “bringing the old with the new” and is a routine way to solve complex problems.

Posted by: YING | Oct 23 2022 2:39 utc | 133

sounds like meek was working for the cia and decided he or his boss wanted a change for him..
@ james | Oct 22 2022 20:15 utc | 108
That explantion would not occur to me, because it bears no alignment with what we’ve so far been allowed to hear about Meek’s disappearance: a very heavily armed early-morning raid on his apartment — surely an upside-down manner of expressing that “he or his boss wanted a change”.
Given previous history with dangerous journalists such as Gary Webb (who reportedly exited by shooting himself in the head twice), and the failure to even ascertain Meek’s whereabouts, I kind of wonder if he’s still alive. The following is from New York Post’s reaction
Award-winning journalist missing since FBI ‘seized classified docs’ in home raid: report

Meek’s whereabouts are unknown. Before working for ABC News, he also covered national security for the New York Daily News.
The Post has sought comment from ABC News and the FBI. The Justice Department declined to comment. A spokesperson for Disney-owned ABC News told Rolling Stone: “He resigned very abruptly and hasn’t worked for us for months.” Phone calls to Meek’s family went unanswered.
[more]

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:45 utc | 134

@ Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:45 utc | 136
not sure what to say in response… some things don’t make sense on the surface… excessive rationality has its problems..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2022 2:49 utc | 135

@ james
“some things don’t make sense on the surface”?
What about Occam’s Razor? Don’t folks have some technique for sifting wheat from chaff?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:52 utc | 136

@ james
“some things don’t make sense on the surface”?
What about Occam’s Razor? Don’t folks have some technique for sifting wheat from chaff?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:52 utc | 137

Over in Canada’s city of Toronto, city councillor running for re-election, Cynthia Lai, just died. She also wasn’t feeling well reportedly. An immigrant from Hong Kong in the 1970’s, she became the first Chinese-Canadian president of the Toronto Real Estate Board.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-city-councillor-cynthia-lai-dies-days-before-election-1.6119932
I can’t find whether she’s linked to Apple Daily’s, Jimmy Lai. Or Lais Hotel Properties Ltd., which is featured in this Globe and Mail report from last year: “How an Ontario Hotel Chain got dragged into a Hong Kong national security case”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-how-an-ontario-hotel-chain-got-dragged-into-a-hong-kong-national/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 23 2022 2:54 utc | 138

@ Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2022 2:52 utc | 138
you’re trying.. i will give you that! consider some non logical alternatives, especially when the msm is talking to you..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2022 3:03 utc | 139

All these silly opinions on implications of Hu Jintao being escorted out of the closing meeting at the CPC 20th Congress. It shows how little people in the west ‘understand’ China. Hu was helped from his seat to leave the meeting early because he wasn’t feeling well. His presence at the Congress was making the statement that he endorses the continuation of this Standing Committee versus the unspoken protocol of vacating office after 10 years of service on the Standing Committee. It was a manifestation of unity, in goal and in thoughts. But he is nearly 80 years of age (in a month and 1/2). He is feeling sick. What’s wrong with someone helping him walk?
China don’t do things in in your face style. Chinese abhors humiliating someone in public. Chinese politicians don’t act like western political animals. If you understand China better, you wouldn’t have misread events such as this one.
YING @ #123:
Hu is well regarded as a leader. Much of the recent scientific/tech/industrial/et al accomplishments that China has revealed actually started during his reign. No, he isn’t a transitional figure. He was a solid leader. But he was a little soft in dealing with the west, and he was too caring about his own legacy in foreign affair matters to have been taken advantage of by clowns such as Bush Jr. and Obama. He has my respect. At this point, he still ranks as the #27 in the overall pecking order of CPC Central Leadership. In comparison, Yang Jiechi is ranked #17 at this point.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2022 3:09 utc | 140

I think we will have to wait to see what the story is on Hu Jintao, right now all is feverish speculation, the westerm MSM is worthless as a source.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 23 2022 3:15 utc | 141

Ying @123 & Oriental Voice @142–
You both make good points, and I certainly understand the issues of frail elders. There are factors raised in the Russian think tank item that don’t make sense. I haven’t seen any video, only the one still pic. Xi Jinping at 69 isn’t exactly young, but neither is Putin. Given the circumstances, I find it wise to retain Xi. We’ll need to wait and see what if any changes occur in critical policy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2022 3:22 utc | 142

ing @123 & Oriental Voice @142–
You both make good points, and I certainly understand the issues of frail elders. There are factors raised in the Russian think tank item that don’t make sense. I haven’t seen any video, only the one still pic. Xi Jinping at 69 isn’t exactly young, but neither is Putin. Given the circumstances, I find it wise to retain Xi. We’ll need to wait and see what if any changes occur in critical policy.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2022 3:22 utc | 144
I took a closer look, I see that Xi looks relaxed, and Hu is not upset. He does look (perhaps) confused a bit at first, but its nothing at our age. I think Oriental Voice has a good take on it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 3:29 utc | 143

Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 3:29 utc | 145
Perhaps political assassination but more likely stroke. I was talking to a bloke on the phone once and he stopped talking. Wouldn’t answer me but he was holding the phone because I could hear him breathing. After some time his wife come on the phone and said he was crook. He died shortly after but in the minutes after the stroke, he still held the phone to his ear/mouth.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 3:52 utc | 144

@ Posted by: theomimesis | Oct 22 2022 20:23 utc | 109
Ah, the usual anti-vaxxer clickbait denial trash with cherry-picked samples of much ado about that which is not related to the subject in hand. Just the usual air of “Garbage In equals Garbage Out!” sold to gullible airheads. One that would probably buy a bridge in Brooklyn. Since all anti-vaxxers have absolutely zero common sense. A complete waste of time.
The sins of this retired nurse teacher only! Are well documented. Need one say more?
Say, did you hear of a great tale of an unemployed anti-vaxxer with $2-00 in the bank? A young 19-year-old lassie by the name of Ciena. Down under in OZ. She got what she asked for and asked for what she got. A large legal bill from the Oz high court of $214K. Now that is truly poetic justice at work!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 4:00 utc | 145

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 4:00 utc | 147
it’s not black and white BDM.
There are people who don’t trust the MRNA vaccines but who are happy to use proven hygiene methods such as masking and social distancing.
The political US anti vaxx movement is just that: political. it is a brain dead carte blanche denial designed for stupid gullible people. There are multitudes of “credentialed” snake oil salesman and women hired to back the various assertions.
However as with all propaganda there is some truth in there and in this case re the vaccine safety I believe a lot of truth.
The masking denial is just idiotic since there is research to back up even simple cloth masking going back over 100 years, including bit not limited to surgical masking.
Social distancing is also a no brainer. If you are coughing your guts out i am naturally going to keep my distance. See how difficult that intellectual puzzle was? Not!
Those of us who aren’t sucked in by US political propaganda of any variety are not gullible airheads. We are discriminating and taking responsibility for our own health while being responsible for our effect on the collective. IE self isolating when sick.
So I urge you to not lump everyone in with US Ant Vaxx conspiracists. Many people who question covid vaccines are vaccinated for childhood and other diseases. In addition there is a legitimate Anti Vaxx movement of concerned citizens that predates covid by a couple of hundred years. These people rightfully require Pharmaceutical transparency and honesty. This seems fair enough to me in a democracy.

Posted by: K | Oct 23 2022 4:33 utc | 146

Re: Hu Jintao
The narrative seems to start shifting to “China is censoring the video”. It doesn’t make much sense to make a show at such a meeting only to censor it later, the timing also suggests that he didn’t feel well at the wrong time (just when the press entered), at most that he was a bit stubborn about leaving. Apart from humiliating not being “chinese”, other more or less trustworthy reports on the congress suggests Xi is consolidating his power in more concrete ways, guess the closing ceremony was more symbolic than decisional. Even as a signal intended for foreign audiencies it doesn’t make much sense. Guess MSM can still push both narratives of Xi humiliating Hu and censoring the video. As for censorship, if it was a heath issue, in this case not showing the video seems quite close to basic respect and decency.

Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 4:33 utc | 147

@151 funnythat
but yes, Chinese never humiliate people in public like the barbaric West! :))))
And you got another thing wrong. Barbarians are not those who refrain from shaming but those who act with no internal filter or moral code. In other words, those who are shameless.

Posted by: Jun | Oct 23 2022 4:43 utc | 148

NO CRAP GUIDE TO THE 20TH CCP CONGRESS*
6days ago…. So nothing on Hu Lintao removal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkKzSVH2Kas
“”This morning marked the opening of the most important meeting of the CPC’s five-year cycle.
So, what exactly is the 20th National Congress?
Why is this year’s meeting so important? Who is involved and what do they do?
And what is the Western media getting wrong? Welcome to my Simple Guide to the 20th National Congress of the CPC, let’s get started!
“”**purposefully used the incorrect spelling of “CCP” since that is what majority of Westerners call the CPC (the Communist Party of China).
Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the past year or more, you will have heard about the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China, or the 20th National Congress for short.
Actually, let’s go with the popular Chinese term, which is even easier: 20大,which literally translates as 20, ershi, Big, da: shorthand for the 20th Big Meeting. “”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 4:47 utc | 149

https://www.sundaymail.co.zw/plot-to-smear-chinese-investments-unmasked
10/22/22, 7:40 PM
Plot to smear Chinese investments unmasked
Zimbabwe’s detractors are sullying Chinese investments in the mining sector in a ploy aimed at pushing the investors out of the country, thereby frustrate the nation’s drive towards economic growth, Federation of Non-Governmental Organisations president, Mr Goodson Nguni, has said.
In an interview, Mr Nguni applauded Chinese investors financing new business ventures in the country, singling out Dinson Iron and Steel Company, for funding the development of the multi-million-dollar Manhize iron and steel plant.
He said the investor-friendly policies being implemented by the Second Republic continue to attract fresh capital into the economy, which is creating employment for thousands of Zimbabweans.
“It is very clear that people who are calling out Chinese enterprises and attacking them are members of the opposition, who are doing the bidding for America,” he said.
“America is involved in a geo-political fight for dominance in the world and they are coming second best to the Chinese.
“Meanwhile, the Chinese have decided to stand by the people of Zimbabwe. Because of that, the Americans are fighting Chinese enterprises. We know they are trying to incite workers but are failing. They are lying about abuse of workers because we know that our people are happy.”

Mr Nguni said sound economic policies are creating a favourable investment climate that will continue to attract capital.
He urged Government to expedite promulgation of the Patriotic Act, to decisively deal with those who maliciously paint the country in bad light.
“We must never forget that the opposition are a fake news organisation,” he added.
“If there is no bad news about Zimbabwe, they have nothing to sell.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Oct 23 2022 4:47 utc | 150

someone said:
Chinese abhors humiliating someone in public.
this forum is attractive because of the intelligent if obviously slanted look at events. comments like this are so insulting to the forum readership. ‘
— insert picture of Chinese man in paper fool’s hat being beating in public —
this same party that had Red Guards?
Hu was humiliated because Xi is making a statement. It is not circulated in China because it was for Western consumption. Now they know that Xi has absolute power.
“he didn’t look upset”.
no, he is clutching at papers which Xi makes sure he can’t get, a man next to him rises to help him but another guy from behind pulls him back! and then he wipes the sweat off his head. “a medical emergency”.
i must say, Xi’s demeanor throughout was el supremo boss. others’ have discussed at length about the youth league and corruption and Xi’s very critical opening statements earlier.
but yes, Chinese never humiliate people in public like the barbaric West! :))))
“Red Gaurds public humiliation”
google it. and spare us the comedy in the future.

Posted by: funnythat | Oct 23 2022 4:48 utc | 151

Re: James Gordon Meek
We have three facts:
1. He was writing a book that would be inconvenient to the Administration “and much more”, I did not see any quotes of his prior non-conformism
2. He was raided, unpleasant experience and, these days, probably a carrier stopper
3. “not seen since”
4. His family does not answer inquiries
1. and 2. point to something “darker”, but what?
If he had a normal/average family, they would respond in cases of death or “vanishing without trace”. Intimidation could go beyond mere investigation, so he could become “paranoid” (not mere delusions, but same symptoms) and depressed (loosing livelihood and illusions about a degree of safety etc.) and either merely hide of encouraged to do so.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 23 2022 4:49 utc | 152

@ Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 9:39 utc | 194 who wrote

The key players keep digging to hide their corruption…

The key players behind the ones we see are guilty of even bigger crimes against humanity. They have a substantial incentive to try and keep the game going and I wonder if the elite will attempt to negotiate some sort of forgiveness in exchange for not nuking us all?
I am still happy that humanity is facing this civilization war about public/private finance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 4:51 utc | 153

Hu Jintao’s name is still in the list of frontline comrades of the Great Hall in the official press document sent out by Global Times in its Chinese version. Prior to this event, Hu’s health has been slowly deteriorating, something which had been sparsely reported over the years, but obviously it’d be drowned out by yesterday’s sensationalist news by now.

Posted by: bonks | Oct 23 2022 5:09 utc | 154

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 3:52 utc | 146
Well, if you’re going to go by stroke, that’s the way to do it, massive.
I think people will think what they want to. “A man hears what he want to hear, and disregards the rest.”
Thank you for your comment, in any case.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 5:21 utc | 155

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 9:39 utc | 196
Body language is often assumed to be universal, some part of it may actually be quite close. An often repeated curiosity, probably not the best suited, is inverted yes/no head gestures in Bulgary or nearby. When you get farther away and/or in really formal settings this can get a lot worse, so thanks for the reminder.
I think I read the looking straight ahead part stressed in some “respectable” news and found it funny to link it to Covid/disease prevention (which may also have played a role). Reviewing the video the reaction seems mostly quite far from indifference, there was/is probably also some sort of projection at play when I (and others) interpret the video, editing makes it worse.

Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 5:29 utc | 156

Below is a Xinhuanet posting about the 7 at the top of the political structure in China. Any barflys know if this represents change and if so , what sort>

BEIJING, Oct. 23 (Xinhua) — Xi Jinping, general secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee, presented the Party’s new central leadership when meeting the press Sunday at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.
He presented the other six newly elected members of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the 20th CPC Central Committee: Li Qiang, Zhao Leji, Wang Huning, Cai Qi, Ding Xuexiang, and Li Xi.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 5:44 utc | 157

Hu being escorted and confused reminded me of a man with dementia. There are plenty of lucid episodes but then sundowning (not necessarily at night) can occur. Also in elderly without dementia, even a simple cold /UTI can induce a state of confusion… in which case, it looks as though he was escorted with patience and respect.

Posted by: nulya | Oct 23 2022 5:44 utc | 158

karlof1 | Oct 23 2022 3:22 utc | 144
> haven’t seen any video, only the one still pic.
You should watch vid. It’s a lot different to what you describe.
[I don’t know what the incident implies. But Hu did not want to leave]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 5:47 utc | 159

Putin has decided to eat into Musk’s market share:
Russia launches first broadband internet satellite

Russia launched its first satellite designed to provide broadband internet on Sunday, a state-owned analog of StarLink and OneWeb.
The Soyuz-2.1brocket carried the next-generation Skif-D satellite and three Gonets-M satellites in the year’s first launch from Vostochny cosmodrome in the Russian Far East.

I’m surprised this is Russia’s first foray into satellite broadband though.
This should make for some interesting twitter exchanges …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 5:52 utc | 160

Below is a story at Xinhuanet that I am not seeing elsewhere

TEHRAN, Oct. 22 (Xinhua) — Iranian Foreign Minister on Saturday said his country has received a U.S. message expressing American hastiness to reach the nuclear deal with Iran, official IRNA news agency reported.
“Three days ago, we received a message from the United States, and told them that the (International Atomic Energy) Agency (IAEA)’s accusations against Iran’s nuclear program should be resolved” before any agreement, said Hossein Amir-Abdollahian in the Armenian capital of Yerevan.
Asked about U.S. officials’ comments about the nuclear negotiations being off the U.S. agenda, he said “Americans are contradictory in their words and behavior, as they are in a hurry to reach the agreement in their (recent) message.”
While the United States continues to exchange messages with Iran, they “are seeking to exert political and psychological pressure (on Iran) and want to gain concessions in the negotiations,” he said.
“We do not give any concessions to the American side, and we move within the framework of logic and the framework of an agreement that respects the red lines of the Islamic Republic of Iran, but at the same time we never leave the negotiating table,” he stressed.
Iran signed the nuclear deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), with world powers in July 2015, agreeing to curb its nuclear program in return for removing sanctions on the country. However, Washington quit the agreement and reimposed unilateral sanctions on Tehran, prompting the latter to drop some of its commitments under the pact.
The talks on the JCPOA’s revival began in April 2021 in Vienna, Austria. No breakthrough was achieved after the latest round of Vienna talks held in early August.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 5:53 utc | 161

Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 1:57 utc | 131
He’s definitely manhandled out of his chair.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1583746762262867969?cxt=HHwWgsDTrcHSzPorAAAA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 5:53 utc | 162

Posted by: funnythat | Oct 23 2022 4:48 utc | 151
I agree that “Chinese don’t humiliate”, as any similar generalisation, is much more willfull thinking than a solid argument.
The matter with the papers looks like Hu was confused and tried to get Xi’s folder thinking it was his. Xi has much spreaded papers, but only one red folder, the “other guy” has two folders and seems a bit nervous about keeping one, as if it wasn’t his, and passes it to the main “rescuer”. The video is conveniently cutted, but this “other guy” taking Hu’s folder to help him looks plausible (he is the one sitting on the left of Hu, right on screen, stood up, putted down and made the sweat move, he also exchanged a quite long look with Xi, so it would be interesting/telling to know who he is).
Some moves look harsh, but also consistent with confusion and/or trying to hurry up to start the show.
As a message to foreign elites it makes more sense than as a message to foreign public opinion.

Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 5:54 utc | 163

@114 Hermit:
I did indeed read your “The Six Great Thefts of Capitalism” article at Greanville Post.
Very well done, and timely.
And it’s short, memorable, bold, and accurate. That’s some impressive writing.
As you reprise your ideas in successive articles, I suggest you re-position the title. “Theft” is a negative; you’re calling out a crime. It is a crime; that’s not my beef.
When I read your piece, I read it as the requirements for Economy 2.0 here in the U.S. – “requirements” being a technical term in the I.T. software development discipline.
That is a _major_ positive thing. It needs trumpets and cheerful spotlights, not the gloom of a perp-walk.
At some point, our society is going to have to design a new economy, as the one we have is failing on each of the counts you set out, and then some others.
First step in the design process is to define the problem to be solved. Our economy “must do these things for us”. That’s a “requirements” doc. Creating that document does wonders to focus the mind, and is essential for any big project to get done well.
And while I infer that you’re at least sympathetic to communism due to the “from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs” closing sentence of your article, I see your “requirements” as perfectly viable/applicable in a mixed economy such as ours currently is (capitalism, socialism, with a tiny amount of communism sprinkled about).
Keep up the good work. I’m looking forward to reading your next article.
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Question for the bar: here in the U.S., who is responsible for designing the economy? Is there an official group whose job it is, or is it a chaotic pushme-pullyou mosh pit? Maybe it’s something or someone else. Do you know?
Why do I ask? Because lately it occurred to me that our economy is badly designed. Really badly designed. It suffers from awful leaks of energy and material, and vast under-utilization of people-capacity.
If it was designed and built from scratch tomorrow by a competent entity, do you think our economy would look pretty different than what it does now, or essentially the same?
In the U.S., the economic design process is stuck; it’s obstructed by top-down players that like things as they are, however misdirected or inefficient they may be.
And finally, it occurs to me that economies can be evolved bottom-up, instead of designed top-down.
That’s what I’m getting at: are there “generative” type * technologies that can be designed to foster creation and trade of new products which meet the “economy requirements” like the ones listed by Hermit?
I posit that one can define/describe an economy as the set of products/services which are produced and traded. Think of GDP; it’s a sum of all the sales transactions for the year. Sales of … products and services.
So, if a society concentrated upon making and trading the “right” products, would that behavior, over time, result in a evolution to the desired “new economy”?
Hermit’s article is a (rare) example of bottom-up economic design. It shouldn’t be rare; this should be the stuff of dinner-time conversation. What could be more useful, and who better to design our economy than the people that use it every day (e.g. us)?
Have you designed your economy today?
* Generative: auto-scale up to fill a niche. Think bacteria, or Oklahoma land-rush wagon-drivers. No individual direction needed, each atomistic player knows just what to do, and does it. Auto-replicates, etc.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 23 2022 5:57 utc | 164

As for the 24*7 monsterisation of BRI…
The FUKUSA aka AUKUS led west have no way to compete with China fair and square.
Their only tricks left are demonisation, sabotage, regime change and terrorism.
Exhibit A
Case of Zambia.

With their current stategy the IMF weazles are conducting a new kind of masked economic war against Africa. They have a new weazly term for withholding aid! Is the debt sustainable, they ask in their myopic weazly way.
Predictably it is being taken up on by civil society groups in the name of human rights.Somehow it is now an abuse of human rights for African governments to get their countries into debt. Debt with the IMF is OK but debt to China is very ,very bad.
These critics from opposition political parties and civil society groups are repeating the IMF myopic mantra and saying debt payments are unsustainable, and that China could take over businesses and public assets.Does this say anything about George Soros funding to such groups and political opposition?
Xenophobic attacks on Chinese nationals are also on the increase. It would appear that the resentment felt by a few is being fuelled by the same anti-China critics. In other words the xenophobia is opposition run as is evident in a recent article from Xinhuanet which reported a demonstration held by Zambian miners in Kitwe City, Copperbelt Province to protest against opposition politicians who have been inciting xenophobic attacks on Chinese investors.

http://africanagenda.net/big-bad-china-in-africa-or-western-jealousy/

Posted by: denk | Oct 23 2022 6:02 utc | 165

Hu Jintao
Vid taken from further back.
Most definitely in front of media.
Can see press cameras and hear clicks of cameras.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1583732429164253184?cxt=HHwWgMDQuZuQxvorAAAA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 6:03 utc | 166

gawd damn !
my post bumped to no 168 !

Posted by: denk | Oct 23 2022 6:10 utc | 167

@Melaleuca
The first video seems the same or similar, but edited, and “He was no longer present at the end of the meeting” seems misleading, since I’m not sure he was present at the beginning. The second is much more helpful, when I read “after the press entered” I didn’t picture how much press there was. Anyway thanks for the links, it’s still a bit strange that there isn’t earlier footage and there’s the “folder swapping mistery” (see Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 5:54 utc | 156 if you didn’t already).

Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 6:27 utc | 168

@ Tom Pfotzer | Oct 23 2022 5:57 utc | 157 asking

Have you designed your economy today?

I have been redesigning the Western political economy for 50+ years. It always comes back to the core incentives that the society is organized around.
In the West, unfortunately, the core incentives are set by the global financial elite instead of the masses. While it might seem a bit simplistic, the original US motto was E Pluribus Unum (Out Of Many, One) and it was changed in the 1950’s to In God We Trust…..the media was used at that time to justify the change because of the threat of godless communism in Russia…..not godless communism now but a sovereign Central Bank, like China’s.
Society needs to decide what segments of the political economy they want socialized and to what degree…health care, housing, FOOD, education are examples that come to mind.Regulation of private portions of the political economy need to be regulated in an evolving manner just like the structure of government….maybe in an evolved multipolar world the MIC budgets are smaller and the cultural interchanges budgets grow.
Change global private finance into a network of sovereign nations public owned/oriented systems of financial tools and you change the core incentives of life in the West and social cooperation is given more moral cred than competition for private profit.
Take all the Stink Tanks where private profit driven planning is grown and open their “social planning” process to the public.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 6:51 utc | 169

Chinese Lei will have a live stream on her Youtube channel about the ‘removal’ of ex president Hu Jintao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOeeX4gFAz0

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:00 utc | 170

@151 funnythat
Classic “someone said” strawman argument. Since “face” is an important concept in East Asian culture, public shaming is an effective tool used not only in China, but also in Japan, South Korea, and Singapore to name a few. Especially now with posting anything and everything on social media, public shaming has taken on a life of its own. So to say Chinese never humiliate anyone in public is ridiculous.

Posted by: Jun | Oct 23 2022 7:05 utc | 171

Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 6:27 utc | 159
It seems that it definitely happened in front of everyone, and after the media had been allowed into room. [And that’s the weird…..China is so controlled (and as U$+++), so it cannot be an accident that the performance happened in front of the media]
There’s this guys thread who’s accredited and been tweeting from there the whole conference.
I’ve clicked through some of the links and @tweets.
It seems there was an even longer vid on yt that’s gone….. the memory hole works at the speed of light now.
But. It’s likely to resurface….
https://mobile.twitter.com/dansoncj/status/1583663702896967680
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeoRamirezAFP/status/1583691989983207424

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 172

Elan Musk has not amused the Biden mafia.
See anti-spiegel.ru for the report

US President Joe Biden’s administration is considering an audit of entrepreneur Elon Musk to determine whether his activities are in the interests of national security. The Bloomberg agency reported on Friday.
The agency reports that Washington is “concerned about threats” by Musk to stop providing the Starlink satellite communications system in Ukraine, as well as the intentions of a group of international investors to buy the Twitter social network. The government is also concerned about the businessman’s political views, which are said to be becoming “increasingly pro-Russian”. According to the agency’s sources, the US government claims that Musk’s proposals for a peace settlement in Ukraine “benefit the Russian leadership.”
In this regard, the US government, together with representatives of the secret services, has begun to work out ways of checking the businessman’s business activities. Those talks “are still in the early stages,” but the most obvious solution would be to launch an investigation before the US Committee on Foreign Investments into the national security risks that Musk’s transactions and operations may pose Agency. The fact that the entrepreneur intends to acquire Twitter alongside investors from Saudi Arabia, China and Qatar could be used as a formal reason for the body’s involvement, the agency sources said.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 173

@106 james | Oct 22 2022 19:54 utc
That’s a wonderful piece of commentary by Bhadrakumar, an analysis as grand as the subject matter, Russia’s ability to turn adverse circumstances into further wins. He details well how Russia’s patience with Turkey is handing a huge gift to that country’s future, as well as paying off for both countries. It’s a major geopolitical shift in the western world, engineered from the east – perhaps the first text-book example for history to note, Bhadrakumar suggests, of how the new multi-polar world is going to act.
Europe simply has to have Russian gas, is Russia’s strategic conclusion. Turkey is the one country that even the US can’t easily push around. Perhaps Turkey will even become a staging and development hub for Russian industry to deal with Europe. All this and more, Bhadrakumar spells out in a piece that’s a pleasure to read for its clean and clear view of the situation. And more: Russia, Iran and Qatar comprise 50% of the world’s source for natural gas; soon they may coordinate their activities in a manner modeled after OPEC+.
I thoroughly recommend this splendid read, in case you may have missed james’s link. Here it is again:
Russia’s homage to Nord Stream pipelines

In geopolitical terms, Moscow is comfortable with Turkiye’s NATO membership. Clearly, the proposed gas hub brings much additional income to Turkiye and will impart greater stability and predictability to the Russia-Turkey relations. Indeed, the strategic links that tie the two countries together are steadily lengthening — the S-400 ABM deal, cooperation in Syria, the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant, Turk-stream gas pipeline, to name a few.
The two countries candidly admit that they have differences of opinion, but the way Putin and Erdogan through constructive diplomacy keep turning adverse circumstances into windows of opportunity for “win-win” cooperation is simply amazing.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 23 2022 7:16 utc | 174

“Gabriele Krone-Schmalz, a recognized expert on Russia and Russian politics, has – at least to my knowledge – made public statements about the current escalation in Ukraine for the first time. The lecture she gave is highly recommended. In contrast to me, who is quite frustrated because of Western politics and expresses this in my articles with clear and sometimes downright polemical and sarcastic formulations, she has mastered the art of remaining more objective. Apparently she shares most of my theses, but she formulates it more “relaxedly”, which is why I expressly recommend her lecture.”

So writes Thomas Röper of anti-spiegel.ru but do take time and the utoob translate to hear this lecture.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2022 7:19 utc | 175

Bemildred | Oct 23 2022 5:21 utc | 153
It is quite likely there are two factions in China politics, one faction thinking continuing to be nice will soothe the savage beast, the other faction recognizing the danger and preparing for defensive moves.
That is the basis of what I read about the disagreement in the Chinese leadership. Arrests of powerful figures for corruption ect are usually made public. Perhaps he was politically destroyed and arrested. The descriptions I have read sounded like ill health, perhaps brought on by stress, but then I guess some one who realized they had been politically destroyed would look like that too.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 7:19 utc | 176

On all mainland China’s (=government) media nothing can be found about Hu Jintao health problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip_zVtrFpzs
If he was unhealthy why was he there?
Did Xi Jinping physically help up his ‘unhealthy’ predecessor right next to him?
The official cameras followed this in close up all the way.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:21 utc | 177

Imagine Donald Trump’s personal body guard removing Joe Biden during some huge public congress with everyone looking away?
At least that Biden has serious, well known health issues.
Sorry, the next Mao is on and his name is Xi.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:29 utc | 178

Grieved | Oct 23 2022 7:16 utc | 164
The turn around since the days of Erdogan feeding terrorist into Syria and his family shipping out the ISIS oil. Apart from Israel, Putin is bringing peace to the middle east.
Retribution is a continuance of the past whereas peace makes the future better.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 7:31 utc | 179

Interesting.
Face is a very important aspect of eastern culture. Thus the closer you are to the top of the totem pole the closer you are to the dear leader. Old man, Hu would have had a very harsh tough life during the “Cultural Revolution” subsisting on near-starvation rations. In a time when paranoia and fear were commonplace. He was born in an era of starvation and war against the evil empire of Japan! Japan has never to this date paid any war reparations either! Protected by …. guess who…..
Little wonder his health is very frail. Sadly this will be neglected and ignored by both the trolls and the CIA-planted merchant ant army selling lies, doubt, and confusion for a living. Paid to tell lies for a living! What a great life of paid deceit and lies DJT style! lol
On the anti-vaxxer denial front, an interesting paper was written at BCM Texas. Here the authors explained those who were unvaxxed. Had a far higher chance of dying from SARS-COVID-19 complications. That is a self-terminating anti-vaxxer living in a fool’s paradise. lol
When your on a good thing you should stick to it! 🙂 ha ha ha
An interesting development for the midterms of 2022.
Is a large unprecedented number of recent female voter registrations. Add a massive increase in the number of applications for the triple envelope postal ballots. Given the highly eratic nature of all USSA polling stations on a working day. An estimated 40% of the votes cast will be by postal vote. Long before the direct voters attempt to cast their votes on the relatively accurate electronic voting machines.
DJT is fighting a number of massive losses on the legal front. May/may not be eligible to run in 2024. Is unlikely to win against the taxman at both state and federal levels. Could quite possibly lose enough cash/assets to be no longer classified as a billionaire. Given his age, we may/may not be seeing his funeral on TV. For the world works in mysterious ways. Where the future is very unpredictable and highly volatile. Given the ongoing situation in country 404. And the rabid reborn neo nazis wanting to launch the first and last strike?
Sadly whilst a loser called Alex J. . Most comments concentrated on the penalty. Ignoring the fact he told very big lies in the name of faux free speech(limited by libel/slander/civil rights laws post-amendment). So nice to see all these fools stuff their heads up each other’s posterior! Clearly in the USSA, the new norm for many residents is to tell lies to themselves and everyone else in close proximity via social media. Such as dumbtube/Wastebook/twatter…… lol 😉
For those who go to vote on the official polling day will not be paid for the time off work…………

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 7:42 utc | 180

Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 164
Thanks for linking those two videos.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 7:47 utc | 181

Norwegian
re Boston University full PDF of the pre publish paper:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1.full.pdf
Easy to download.
I notice that some here are far more interested in shooting and pissing on messengers than addressing the perpetrator.
WTF is the deranged USA science community up to?
Given the pathetic record of leaky Fort Detrick labs and especially the propensity for cheap science at ‘BSL4 safe labs’ in the USA can I respectfully suggest that no US citizen be permitted to enter any country for 24 months or until we are certain that the Boston univesity clowns have not released a killer of immense proportion.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2022 7:50 utc | 182

There is a posting on a web site that shall not be named with the title

New Study Blames COVID on NIH, University of North Carolina – Finds Fauci and Baric’s Fingerprints on Pandemic Bug

The link to the study behind the posting is https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1.full.pdf

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 7:52 utc | 183

An Afternoon with Ray McGovern August 2022 (discussion, Q&A, on Russia china US geopolitics, current and some history) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcjf32zQtso&t=2206s

Posted by: SeanAU | Oct 23 2022 7:56 utc | 184

Interesting times.
In this year’s 2022 midterms. An unprecedented 40% plus of the cast votes. Will come from postal ballots!
The electronic polling machines in spite of numerous lies told by denialati like AJ(the billionaire lawsuit guy). Are in reality very reliable.
The other missing aspect is large numbers of new female voters have enrolled to vote. Thus the election results will be determined by the will of the female swing voter. So one should never count ones chickens, before the day. Less you seek to be Sunday’s roast dinner!
To date, the GOP has not produced any evidence of the mystery tens of millions of fake votes in 2020. Yet DJT “Save America” continues to tell his audience the same old, same old! If you broadcast a lie that often. Is it still a lie or the faux truth?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 23 2022 7:58 utc | 185

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 23 2022 2:54 utc | 141
Cynthia Lai’s “Lai” is 赖. Jimmy Lai’s is 黎. Different characters that are pronounced the same in Cantonese. Mandarin pronunciation of the two are different: 赖 is Lai, and 黎 is Li.

Posted by: Another Brother Ma | Oct 23 2022 7:59 utc | 186

Check who of these hundreds (thousands?) of people were NOT wearing a mask? Only those around Xi Jinping.
Some animals are more equal than others!

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 8:03 utc | 187

@ Antonym | Oct 23 2022 8:03 utc | 174 who wrote

Some animals are more equal than others!

Some animals earn the respect and others inherit, lie, cheat and steal for it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2022 8:17 utc | 188

Antonym | Oct 23 2022 7:29 utc | 168
I’d love to imagine anyone removing Joe Biden and every single member of the PMC and political classes into an open pit mine and leaving them there. That image is quite comforting to me. If Democrats would have frogmarched GWB out of dos instead of feeding the guy cough drops, they would be far more respectable.
In fact, it ought to be perfectly accepted that we discipline our “leaders” as we see fit including corporally, rather than letting them design Sunday School games with constrained outcomes like some kind of secular priesthood, on account of the hardships they’ve imposed upon us or allowed us to experience over these thousands of years. Why wouldn’t you? Doesn’t that sound like a just world to you, where power and property are held at the pleasure of all others, so you’d better use it wisely and generously and not disturb others with it, or have your status of trust ripped out of your hands in front of all and fastened onto someone who will? Why shouldn’t you be publicly humiliated and abused for failing with OUR power? What kind of childish need for self-abasement makes you want to raise people up over yourself? Seek help for your own authoritarian tendencies. CBT might work for you. Don’t tell us what kind you choose.
Besides, we all know you’re only butthurt because YOUR guy got purged, so basically fuck yourself with your policy-scheduled crocodile emoting until you bleed and cry some more.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Oct 23 2022 8:17 utc | 189

Anti China propaganda in our gov owned tabloid here in oz now overtaking the Ukraine propaganda. War with China – game on.
According to all the children about me masquerading as adults, we must attack China because they are attacking us. Since 2014, I have watched the people about me change. How easy are people led to war. The power of scientifically studied propaganda on feeble minds. Turning humans into expendable bullets that can be fired at the target country.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 8:27 utc | 190

The good man’s PhD is not issued by a school of medicine!
Ph.D. in nursing education from the University of Bolton. The doctorate was awarded in 2013 for work on developing teaching methods using digital media such as online videos.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 22 2022 11:53 utc | 98
If you ever took the time.
You would know he never claimed to be an MD.
And furthermore what does it have to do with the information (accurate) that he discusses on his channel?

Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2022 8:31 utc | 191

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 8:27 utc | 177

War with China – game on.

I’m a firm believer in going with the flow and letting the Wheel of Dharma do it’s work.
If they’re so eager to wage war on China then let them go to it so we may know the natural outcome of their enterprise.
What annoys me is the endless *chatter* about war with China from the West, which is nothing more than cowardly inaction …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 8:38 utc | 192

How the self anointed sheriff performed
‘peace keeping’ duty in Haiti the last time….

U.S. military spokesman Colonel Willey “said the troops were positioned to form `a cordon so Haitian police could work on the inner perimeter’.” And work they did. Haitian police joined with the paramilitary (FRAPH) gangs attacking the demonstrators, using their trucks for “loading up the armed men in civilian clothes by the Fraph headquarters” and then helping to scatter the demonstrators, “exchanging high-fives with the gunmen or giving them rides in their pickup trucks.”
…….
FRAPH members interviewed by Wall Street Journal correspondents Helene Cooper and Jose de Cordoba said they had no problems with the Americans troops. While the attacks on the demonstrators are underway, one said, “U.S. soldiers riding by on their `Humvee’ armored vehicles wave cheerfully to FRAPH members, who wave back.”

https://tinyurl.com/nhd8ae7x
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How the self annoited deputy performed
‘peace keeping ‘ duty in Solomon last time, during the FUKUSA supported pogrom in Chinatown…

Prime Minister Sogavare delivered a defiant speech to the parliament in Honiara yesterday. He raised rioting in 2006, which occurred during the neo-colonial, Australian-led Regional Assistance Mission to Solomon Islands (RAMSI), and the three days of destruction that followed last November’s failed coup attempt by US-backed forces from the province of Malaita. “Obviously, the security agreement with Australia is inadequate to deal with our hard internal threats,” he stated, adding that for the wellbeing “of our people and the economy of our country we had look elsewhere.”
Sogavare insisted that Canberra had informed his government that Australian police and military would not protect Chinese assets and infrastructure during their deployment to the Solomons last year. This allegation has been met with angry denials by Australian officials.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/04/30/iovt-a30.html
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Posted by: denk | Oct 23 2022 8:38 utc | 193

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 23 2022 8:03 utc | 174
Walk around any Chinese, Japanese and Korean city and you’ll find some wearing masks and other not.
What’s the fuss? At least the Chinese have enough toilets to go around …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 8:43 utc | 194

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 23 2022 7:16 utc | 165

In geopolitical terms, Moscow is comfortable with Turkiye’s NATO membership.

What Putin has done is essentially weaken the NATO alliance by sticking a spoke in any future unified effort by NATO to act militarily against Russia.
The next invocation of Article-5, should it ever happen, would probably see Turkiye abstain due to it’s heavy ties with Russia.
To weaken the alliance further, all Putin needs to do is repeat the same cooperative win-win kind of approach with Greece, Italy, Hungary, Serbia. Poland and the other are of course lost causes …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 8:56 utc | 195

Did you mention this?
Elena Panina, Direktor of Roscongress, says it was a public execution of Hu and the pro US gang. Good for Russia:
1/ Die Ergebnisse des XX. Kongresses der CPC werden die Innen- und Außenpolitik der Russischen Föderation stark beeinflussen. Der Machtblock, in dem sich die gleichen Anhänger der russischen Souveränität konzentrieren wie auf Xi Jinping in China, hat ein klares Signal erhalten:
2/ Europa, die Ukraine und die Vereinigten Staaten werden jetzt mit einer härteren und konsequenteren Politik Russlands konfrontiert sein als zuvor. (…) Das Tempo des Wandels in Russland wird sich unabhängig von den Ergebnissen der US-Wahlen beschleunigen.
3/ Es wird keine offene zweite Front im Osten gegen Russland geben. Alle Kräfte können auf die Westfront konzentriert werden. Die fünfte Kolonne in Russland wird jetzt automatisch abgeschafft – sie wird nicht mehr für den Dialog mit den Vereinigten Staaten und China benötigt.
(Elena Panina)

Posted by: njet | Oct 23 2022 8:58 utc | 196

sippy the shot glass | Oct 23 2022 8:17 utc | 176
To understand the resident hindutva’s perspective, you need to look up some hindutva websites then with the waybackmachine go back a few years, perhaps 2014. Go past the lovey dovey bullshit and find the fine print.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2022 9:00 utc | 197

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 5:53 utc | 156

He’s definitely manhandled out of his chair.

He also definitely looks unwell and appears to be having a “Biden Moment”.
On the way out he respectfully pats Xi and the other official and they both respond graciously and with the respectful nod of the head common to East Asian cultures.
I would say the truth is somewhere in between:
Hu, due to his advanced age lost the plot at some point, the officials realised he was going to make a circus of the place and so they rushed in to save everyone embarrassment.
Unlike the Americans, the Chinese wouldn’t tolerate the kind of scenes Biden has been putting up in front of the public.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2022 9:07 utc | 198

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 7:07 utc | 164
The Danson Cheong twitter link seems pretty clear about when Hu was let out.

See some questions about when Hu left, we were only let into the hall after voting on the Central Committee was completed, meaning Hu was led out before votes were taken on the work report, CCDI report and the party constitution amendments

Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 5:54 utc | 157 (yes, numbers of posts keep shifting, time looks the same)
I found a tweet naming our heroes (don’t know how good otherwise, but likely got the names right and an image search confims them).
Li Zhanshu is the guy with two folder, staring Xi, etc, next to him was Wang Huning keeping him from standing up (hope this means something to someone).
https://twitter.com/LiYuan6/status/1583684062254092289

Posted by: Proteiros | Oct 23 2022 9:11 utc | 199

China knows it’s getting stronger’: George Yeo on US-China tensions|Talking Post with Yonden Lhatoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEQ-a6sgjvc
Interesting 20 minute interview.
I so truly do appreciate an interview that actually allows the interviewee to speak uninterrupted.
Former Singapore Foreign Minister and long-time Hong Kong resident George Yeo has been called a “China whisperer” for his ability to explain Beijing’s ambitions and perspective to the rest of the world. In this episode of Talking Post, Yeo sits down with SCMP chief news editor Yonden Lhatoo to discuss rising tensions between Beijing and Washington, Singapore’s role in the region and what the Singapore-Hong Kong rivalry means for the two financial hubs
Take away: Singapore intends working within ASEAN to resist the U$ “you’re either with us or our enemy” approach to diplomacy.
Shame Australia couldn’t insisting the same middle ground….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 23 2022 9:13 utc | 200