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October 05, 2022

Media Hide Fascist Ideology Of Ukrainian Militia Which Visit Congress

'Western' media continue to denazify Ukraine by pretending that the Nazi formations in that country, which they had long decried, are now a harmless collection of celebrities.

One could follow those changes along various pieces in the New York Times:

Mar 15 2019:

On his flak jacket was a symbol commonly used by the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization.

Feb 11 2020:

Defenders of the Ukrainian Azov Battalion, which the F.B.I. calls “a paramilitary unit” notorious for its “association with neo-Nazi ideology,” accuse us of being part of a Kremlin campaign to “demonize” the group.

Mar 17 2022:

Facebook last week said it was making an exception to its anti-extremism policies to allow praise for Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion military unit, “strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine National Guard.”

Apr 29 2022:

These scenes are from videos shared online in recent days by the Azov regiment, a unit in the Ukrainian military, which says they were taken in the mazelike bunkers beneath the sprawling Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol, Ukraine.

As I had written previously:

What was once "a Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitary organization" which even the FBI said is notorious for its “association with neo-Nazi ideology” was first relabeled as merely "far right" before it became a normal "unit in the Ukrainian military".

Today the New York Times topped that evolution by turning a Ukrainian government press release into a tear dripping story about the reunion of freed Azov losers with their families:

Released Azov commanders have an emotional reunion with family members in Turkey.

Commanders of Ukraine’s celebrated Azov Battalion have held an emotional reunion with their families in Turkey, Ukrainian officials said, honoring the fighters released from Russian confinement last month as part of the largest prisoner swap since the start of the war.

Among the 215 Ukrainian prisoners of war released in the exchange were 108 members of the Azov Battalion. The group’s defense of the Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol — the southern port city decimated by Russian forces in the first months of the war — has become a powerful symbol of the suffering inflicted by Russia and the resistance mounted by Ukraine.

Under the terms of the swap, the commanders of the battalion must remain in Turkey — which brokered the exchange — until the war ends. After months of waiting, they were reunited with family members on Monday, according to a statement from the office of President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and photographs distributed by the Ukrainian Presidential Press Service.

“There are many emotions,” Ukraine’s first lady, Olena Zelenska, who attended the meeting, said in a post on Telegram. “The road to this moment was long and difficult. Finally they were able to hug.”
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Ms. Zelenska said she gave the Azov Battalion members “thanks from Ukraine, from the president and all the people for whom they are fighting.”

How can anyone working at the New York Times not be ashamed of this whitewash of a deeply fascists organization.

The NYT is far from the only 'western' media doing this. I was easy to find some 40 stories in main stream media which between 2014 and April 2022 which critically discussed the 'controversial' Nazi ideology of Azov and other Ukrainian militia. Then the coverage abruptly changed turning those fascist groups into harmless patriots.

Others have done similar analyses:

In order to get a better sense of how Canadian media’s approach to reporting on the Azov Regiment (formerly the Azov Battalion) has changed over the years, we searched for every mention of the group in the archives of the Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, and National Post. We also searched through the CBC News website, as well as some of their broadcasts. All of the 90 unique mentions we found (as of August 10) were compiled, with the description of Azov provided in said article or broadcast being noted for comparison.

We found that these news outlets (and the wire services much of their coverage relied upon) went from directly acknowledging Azov’s neo-Nazi ideology to suggesting that the group is merely “controversial” or has a “checkered past.” Some reports included no qualifiers at all, and simply presented the group as just another Ukrainian military unit fighting against Russia.

It is not just the media but also politicians who have done a U-turn from condemning Azov and other Nazi groups to welcoming them as guests in Washington DC.

On March 27 2018 The Hill reported:

Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis

A little-noticed provision in the 2,232-page government spending bill passed last week bans U.S. arms from going to a controversial ultranationalist militia in Ukraine that has openly accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks.

House-passed spending bills for the past three years have included a ban on U.S. aid to Ukraine from going to the Azov Battalion, but the provision was stripped out before final passage each year.

This year, though, the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill signed into law last week stipulates that “none of the funds made available by this act may be used to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.”

“White supremacy and neo-Nazism are unacceptable and have no place in our world,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), an outspoken critic of providing lethal aid to Ukraine, said in a statement to The Hill on Tuesday. “I am very pleased that the recently passed omnibus prevents the U.S. from providing arms and training assistance to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion fighting in Ukraine.”

A year later that language was again stripped from the omnibus spending bill.

Three years on and the very same Nazis are greeted by prominent members of Congress:


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California Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff, who pushed the Trump-Russia hoax as hard as anyone, invited neo-Nazis serving in Ukraine’s Azov Battalion to the U.S. Capitol and met with them on Monday.

“The American Left is openly aligning itself with Nazis while painting its domestic political opposition as Nazis who present a danger to democracy,” Sean Adl-Tabatabai noted in a Sept. 27 News Punch analysis.

How quickly they seem to forget.

Just three years ago, 40 U.S. senators signed a letter demanding that the Azov Battalion be added to a list of terrorist organizations.
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When it was reported that the Azov Battalion was in the thick of the fight against Russia’s invasion this year, however, Democrats and their legacy media allies treated them more as heroes than terrorists, critics say.
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During their visit, the Ukrainian soldiers reportedly thanked the U.S. Congress for the billions in aid it has approved thus far … and then asked for more.

There is whole series of pictures of Democrat congressmen and senators meeting such groups posted by Daria Kaleniuk, the assistant director of a Ukrainian activist group called Anti-Corruption Action Centre. The Anti Corruption Action Center is a U.S. government financed non-government organization in Kiev. Together with Ukraine's controversial National Anti-corruption Bureau it is a political enforcer which accuses anyone in Ukraine of 'corruption' as soon as they divert from the U.S. dictated line. Back in July it even took on Zelenski:

[M]any political experts and anti-corruption activists viewed the removal of Ivan Bakanov, head of Ukraine’s state intelligence service, the SBU, and Iryna Venediktova, the country’s prosecutor general, by presidential decree as Zelenskyy taking advantage of extraordinary wartime authority to consolidate his own power.

“It’s not a move to do the right thing. It’s a move to gain more control over our top law enforcement bodies,” Tetiana Shevchuk, a lawyer and activist at the Kyiv-based Anti-Corruption Action Center, said in an interview.

The U.S. financed Anti-Corruption Action Center is now promoting the visits of fascists to the center of U.S. power. Democrats are welcoming them. Their hate of anything Russia allows them to ally with even the worst people one can think of while main stream media provide cover for those people's hateful ideology. 

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"...neither seem able to present a neo-Nazi group other than the Azov Battalion..."
Inkan1969@96

This is nonsense: the entire regime is Nazi through and through.
The statues of Bandera, the wrecking of war memorials, the statements regarding and treatment of Russian untermenschen and, most importantly, the day to day government.
The killing of dissidents, the imprisonment of critics, the massacre of Trade Unionists (while police watch), the banning of political parties, the confiscation of their assets, the sale of communal lands to foreign corporations, the degradation of workplace safeguards, the ending of wage minimums....
It is the 1933-1945 playbook run through at fast forward.

But what The F*** am I doing replying to a bozo who seems to believe that Trump-Russia was not a carefully orchestrated plot and a tissue of falsehoods?
Forgive me.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 5 2022 17:25 utc | 101

Inkan1969 | Oct 5 2022 17:08 utc | 96

"Putin and this website keeps making the assertion that Ukraine need to be "denazified". But neither seem able to present a neo-Nazi group other than the Azov Battalion."

http://thesaker.is/ukronazi-good-terrorists-a-whos-who-infographic/

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 5 2022 17:26 utc | 102

It's a good article. Some context is needed:

New York Times and U.S. media generally have been in the business of exaggerating right-wing threats since at least 2016. Americans will remember when they said the "OK" hand gesture is a white supremacist dog whistle, that Vice News founder Gavin Mcinnes is a fascist, that Trump had praised Nazis as "very good people" etc.

In Court, the question "were you lying then or are you lying now?" is a rhetorical trap, but it only achieves one result when it works: discrediting the witness. You can't use the words of liars to prove anything. I'll grant you only that U.S. media is disgustingly inconsistent.

Posted by: GoFast | Oct 5 2022 17:41 utc | 103

The Russians know where the Nazism in Ukraine originated- in the heart of NATO itself, with the US and Canada particularly involved. De-nazification does not involve lynching the sad idiots and the pimps who were captured in Mariupol but in making it plain, far beyond Ukraine's borders, that dancing in the wake of the Pied Piper of Washington leads only to disaster, poverty, death and the living nightmare.

@10
re Sir Samuel Hoare. The interesting this about this gentleman, who had to resign as Foreign Secretary in 1935 after the publication of the Hoare-Laval Pact which proposed that Italy be given Ethiopia and led to public outrage even in the Tory party, was that in 1940, when he was serving as Minister of Aviation in Chamberlain's government it was one of the conditions that the Labour Party made for entering a coalition under Churchill that Hoare be fired.
He was. But then, such was the power of the Appeasement/Fascist lobby in the British Establishment, he was appointed Ambassador to -where else?- Franco's Spain.
There, in Madrid, he spent four years plotting Peace without Honour with Nazi agents. Including Rudolf Hess. He was a Nazi pipeline to British government.
As to his mate, Laval maybe a French comrade will remind us of the sort of company that Hoare was keeping.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 5 2022 17:45 utc | 104

@Grey Sparrow 61
"I feel ashamed that Russia released them. "

Also Micron, inkan1966 Tom_UK etc....

Why would you be ashamed of Russia? You are not Russian, you don't like Putin anyway.

Besides, I am 100% sure that you trolls are perhaps 1-2 with different accounts, and you are feeding us given talk points. Several thing appeared on the web very interesting for you, yet you are not mentioning anything concrete. Just empty phrases. Who knows, maybe computer generates your texts.

Rejoice, Russia is kaput. Ukies are all over them. Konashenko is a layer, so is Shoigu, he feeds data to Konashenko. Rejoice. USA and NATO are winning this war.

Of course NATO is stronger than Russia. Russia took Afganistan and were expelled after 8 years. It took 20 years for NATO to leave Afganistan. And they are still in Iraq. Russia never managed to claim Iraq. See, NATO is better and stronger.

Look, historically, last 250 years, Napoleon marched to Russia. Even took Moscow. Such a feat was achieved by Mongols at time of Alexander Nevsky, around 1240. Russians were driven out of Moscow, all of them, army, people, royal court, everybody. Then they struck back, in small increments, and ended up in Paris. As for Mongolians, check the map. Then USA/UK/France came, during civil war and revolution, 1921 or so. They advance d from the north, from Murmansk, down to gulf of Finland. Then they stopped, run out of soldiers. Not because of Russian attacks, but because soldiers an mass went over to the side of Bolsheviks. There was no need to go to Washington, London or Paris, not enough damage done to warrant such a feat. Then Hitler came, and destroyed USSR army at the beginning. Stalin purged military, some of best officers were killed or removed. Much greater disaster than what we see in Ukraina these days. some officers surrendered whole armies, or simply went to german side. Ukraina had it's own waffen division on the Eastern front, from Galicia, eh. It was all in 1941. By the end of 1942 the tide turned. Long story short, Russians ended up in Berlin, and left after 50 years, as gesture of good will. Many eastern Germans cannot forgive them for that. why should they, they lost everything, even pensions.

Do you see a pattern developing? At the beginning, Russians get badly beaten - treason, weakness, panic. If you push them back enough, they bounce back somehow. Maybe not immediately (why you western people expect everything to happen overnight, like in Hollywood movies? John Wayne, movie hero, once visited a unit on Pacific, after Japanese were defeated. The soldiers ridiculed him. Who do we expect now? Stalone is too old. Brad Pitt maybe? Maybe, he made some idiotic movies about WWII.

No reply needed, I am not going to read it anyways. Just like you I vented my frustration. And I understand your frustration. You bed backwards to convince us that Russian army and Government are piece of sheet, Putin is traitor. Yet, you do not produce enough evidence to sway our opinion. That is where your frustration comes for. Then you try again, and again, no avail, barflies would not listen. Poor Russia loving bastards.

Therefore, rejoice, you are winning, just nobody listen to you. No worries, a bit of lithium, Zoloft or paliperidone usually helps. Keep writing.

Posted by: zidar | Oct 5 2022 17:53 utc | 105


The Leahy Law forbids arming + training Azov

SEC. 8141. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide arms, training, or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.

Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis - The Hill 03/27/18

Posted by: The Archivist | Oct 5 2022 17:58 utc | 106

Biden's next plane load of pallets of $100 going to Ukraine will also have a knock down prison building complete with cells the size of dog crates. It will come with cardboard boxes, wires, 12V batteries, battery clamps, black hoods, face towels and buckets and a long board. Military advisers will be lead by Gina Haspel who knows how to get the job done.

Posted by: the Bodger | Oct 5 2022 18:00 utc | 107

In his early 20s, my late father voluntarily donned a Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps uniform and spent 4 years of his young life in war torn Europe contributing to an international collaboration with the Russians to defeat Adolf Hitler’s military forces in the hopes that one day he would return safely home to father a son who would in turn grow up to fund Nazi mass murder of Russians with his tax contributions.

Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 5 2022 18:01 utc | 108

@aye, myself & me | Oct 5 2022 10:11 utc | 14
You cite authors who propose that nazism was infiltrating american politics during ww 2. They even surmise the german nazis had the original constructs for the future e.u., before they'd been considered by the west.

I am not contradicting you about that but who masterminded everybody back then?
The British elites controlling the angloamerican establishment masterminded everything!
They first masterminded both the background and later full emergence of nazism as well as zionism and communism and socialism in all the forms and shapes.
America from around the turn of the century 1900 was overrun by those anglophiles!

The whole European continent was overrun by networks under british masonic control for a good part of the 19th century!
Including recruiting young Rickard Wagner who became Hitlers idol.
The nazis pointed to a british individual as their pathbreaker and he wrote the texts which were compulsory reading for the nazis.
This britton was the one who in a figure of speech anointed Hitler as the chosen one. The Messiah of the aryans.
This John the Baptist for nazism attempted to tweak the nazi movement to have an overlap with the Christians.
He wasnt completely successful in that respect but when Hitler spoke to the officers before Operation Barbarossa ( a medieval cruisader) he referred to the holy grail so it seems it did have some effect.
Thus be prepared to find that everything nazi must be seen as Britain's offspring.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 5 2022 18:04 utc | 109

Catching Up on Rick & M

Posted by: NoOne | Oct 5 2022 18:23 utc | 110

Catching Up on Rick & Morty i have to say: That Ukraine Stuff is like S5E2: Decoys all the Way down! Have to wait for the Final. Sorry for the Other Post. Fat Fingers & Crappy Phone..:-(

Posted by: NoOne | Oct 5 2022 18:26 utc | 111

@ zidar | Oct 5 2022 17:53 utc | 105

excellent post.. thank you....

@ nwwoods | Oct 5 2022 18:01 utc | 108

it is indeed very sad what canada has become here.... any voting suggestions next federal cycle? i am going with max bernier who wants canada out of nato..

Posted by: james | Oct 5 2022 18:41 utc | 112

”... The responsibility for wars falls solely upon the shoulders of these same masses of people, for they have all the necessary means to avert war in their own hands. ... “

Wilhelm Reich, The Mass Psychology of Fascism

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Oct 5 2022 16:46 utc | 89

And yet, if the lords of capital want war, there is war, if not, there is none.

The Yellow Vests protest and protest, many lose digits, some eyes, a few their lives, no small thing, thus far to no avail. Macron’s backers rigged the candidature so he was almost certain to win and, let’s be realistic, they could easily control whoever won, the contest was a sham.

Post-Covid timidity and an unprecedented, all formats, pro-war propaganda campaign have reduced protest to a trickle and manufactured content from whole cloth and thin air. The orchestrators of these scams are responsible for the subsequent outcomes, not deceived and disenfranchised voters.

Do you really find Reich’s arguments convincing?

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2022 18:50 utc | 113

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2022 18:50 utc | 113

Manufactured CONSENT =)

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2022 18:57 utc | 114

I guess I'll be the one to point out that the very fact over a hundred Nazis were simply allowed to return as part of a prisoner exchange kind of undermines any notions that 'denazification' of Ukraine was ever more than a rhetorical flourish.

Posted by: Ben | Oct 5 2022 19:09 utc | 115

Do you really find Reich’s arguments convincing?

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2022 18:50 utc | 113

Don't know about Reich but it always takes two to tango or make a good marriage. Similarly leaders and followers create each other's relative roles.

Consent can be withheld or given but never forced; consent forced is submission.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 5 2022 19:09 utc | 116

Bahahaha Nordstream 2 still works


well lets see how that works out with that extra surveilance to dmg that one :3

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 5 2022 19:12 utc | 117

At 117: Someone Fucked Up. Watch upcoming "Accidents/Suicides/MIA". ;-)

Posted by: NoOne | Oct 5 2022 19:24 utc | 118

Posted by: NoOne | Oct 5 2022 19:24 utc | 118

naa I thing that "string" was a bit special, like someone predicted sumthing :3

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 5 2022 19:27 utc | 119

Ben@115
In fact they were not 'allowed to return' until the end of hostilities.
As I point out above these small fry are not the source of Nazism in Ukraine. Most of them are simply foolish dupes of the real agents who run NATO. Without NATO Nazism is just a nasty hobby for skinheads and muddled readers with a taste for sensational theories. The real sources of Nazism who are not merely preserving it but developing it are NATO and Israel where, as Mahmud Abbas recently pointed out is built on its own Concentration Camps and has to its credit a century of brutal massacres, assassinations and ethnic cleansing of an effectiveness that would have taken Himmler's breath away.
Nazism in a word is the fruit of imperialism- Russia is in a life and death struggle against the Empire, whose end will mean the burying of Nazism.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 5 2022 19:43 utc | 120

NONE of our media reports this:
You probably want to avoid banners in "Open N2" demos for the time being 😏
The Scholz put pressure, and possibly the reason was to sabotage!
Close it DEFINITELY!!!!
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According to information from Moscow, the alleged act of sabotage against the two Baltic Sea pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2 apparently spared a tube of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline prepared by Russia. On Wednesday, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said on state television:
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"As far as Nord Stream 2 is concerned, this pipeline is indeed technically in a suitable condition so far according to preliminary assessments."
He again offered to supply Russian natural gas to Central and Western Europe through this pipeline. At the same time, he called for Russia's participation in the investigation into the sabotage of the two lines in the Baltic Sea.
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At the end of September, there were several explosions in the two pipelines Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 in the Baltic Sea. Both lines of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and one line of Nord Stream 2 leaked. Experts are assuming an act of state sabotage. Russian President Vladimir Putin recently suspected the United Kingdom and/or the United States of being behind the attack on the two gas pipelines. These states are the beneficiaries of the act of sabotage, he noted.
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Russia has not pumped any natural gas into the Nord Stream 1 pipeline since the beginning of September - allegedly due to technical reasons that cannot be remedied as a result of the sanctions.
At the same time, Moscow repeatedly offered Nord Stream 2 as an operational and under pressure alternative solution, whose operating permit process was finally stopped by Germany in February. After the temporary interruption of the usability of Nord Stream 1, Energy Minister Nowak has now again referred to the partial operational readiness of Nord Stream 2. Gas deliveries are possible at any time, if necessary and desired, emphasized the minister.
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I don't know if we'll ever find out why there were four explosions that only affected three of the four tubes. At the moment we can only speculate about the reason for this. Perhaps the placement of the explosive devices was simply a mistake, because instead of being attached to both pipes of Nord Stream 2, the two explosive devices were attached to pipe A of the pipeline, while no explosive device was attached to pipe B.
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Posted by: Mo3.1 | Oct 5 2022 19:50 utc | 121

The fascists will be overthrown. ... Burkina Faso just showed how. ... Next up, Niger.

Let's go American and European people. Time to replace your oppressors. ... Get up, Stand up !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg97JiBn1kE

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 5 2022 19:52 utc | 122

Alternate theory: an additional unexploded remote controlled bomb remains in place which failed to detonate.
(Sh)it happens.

Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 5 2022 20:09 utc | 123

Bahahaha Nordstream 2 still works


well lets see how that works out with that extra surveilance to dmg that one :3

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 5 2022 19:12 utc | 117

Utilizing even more advanced stealth technology than they did for the NS1/2 attack, the Russian fleet will sail much further West and drop a heavy anchor on the remaining NS2 pipe! You read it here first!

https://englishrussia.com/2020/04/20/poltava-the-first-ship-of-saint-petersburg/

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Oct 5 2022 20:23 utc | 124

Mummer @122--

The Outlaw US Empire's Terrorist Foreign Legion is busy in Burkina Faso and other vestiges of French Colonial Africa. I rather doubt anyone wants to ally with them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2022 20:23 utc | 125

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Oct 5 2022 20:23 utc | 124

let me say it in style of heidegger

gwahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Macpott | Oct 5 2022 20:29 utc | 126

As I've previously noted, being the Master of Nazis implies that the Master is also a Nazi. The Russian leadership seems to agree with all that given what they say.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 5 2022 16:13 utc | 85

Com'on man. The Nazis in Ukraine are just a tool in military form, working for the "Empire of Chaos". Using that tool against Russia is no different than what they have done elsewhere around the world to destabilize problematic governments.

It does not follow that the hands guiding the tools are also Nazis. They are simply pragmatists who use others to get the dirty work done. Russia's task is to convince the Nazis that they are being used and will ultimately be discarded.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Oct 5 2022 20:34 utc | 127

@ karlof1 | Oct 5 2022 20:23 utc | 125

Dig this:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/is-moscow-involved-supporters-of-burkina-faso-coup-wave-russian-flags/

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 5 2022 20:37 utc | 128

"I don't know if we'll ever find out why there were four explosions that only affected three of the four tubes. At the moment we can only speculate about the reason for this. Perhaps the placement of the explosive devices was simply a mistake, because instead of being attached to both pipes of Nord Stream 2, the two explosive devices were attached to pipe A of the pipeline, while no explosive device was attached to pipe B."
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Posted by: Mo3.1 | Oct 5 2022 19:50 utc | 121

Incompetence. Occam's Razer.

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Oct 5 2022 20:45 utc | 129

The fact that these wannabe Nazis paint themselves with the insignia of the NSDAP is an incredible insult to the accomplishment of Hitler's movement.

The deluded nationalists being given money and resources by Jewish-Internationalism are indeed the lowest of the low...akin to the deluded and chauvinist Poles next door. They deserve every ounce of reaction Russia can give them and I weep for the families of Russia's fallen soldiers.

Some posters in here continue to propogate the lie that nazism dissolved into the west only to emerge intact and holding all the cards in our current paradigm. This is patently false and absurd on its face.

I have already explained how and why this great negative force of history can not be, even remotely, adequately compared to Germany's NSDAP. Yet still there are many here who harbor a secret agenda which is only very thinly disguised anyway. It is the flipside of the same Jewish-Internationalist coin. With the liberal west on one side and communism on the other.

Both the liberal west ostensibly led by the U.S. and communism are metaphysically the same, according to Heidegger in his famous interview with Der Spiegel, "Only a God can Save Us."

If you happen to be clutching pearls still at my opening paragraph, know that I agree with Heidegger that National Socialism only had the faintest inkling of an alternative to the world-destroying technicity of both the west and communism. According to him, "The Nazis were not up to the task." But yet it took both sides of the same coin to stuff emerging spirit under the Nazis back in the bottle.

And yet here it is emerging again with Russia's actions towards the west.

Do I think Russia is the end-all answer to the question initially posed by the Nazis? No, not even close. But in Putin's speech recently, once again you can see that the problem has been identified.

Putin called it Nazism first.

And then he called it Satanism.

Getting closer.

I can only conclude that Putin is an agent of Spirit who is ushering in another opportunity to slay those that seek a world-destroying system of enslavement. To open again, ever so dimly, a unique glimpse of light where original thought can unite human beings in their Dasein to where the pre-Socratics had caressed.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 5 2022 20:52 utc | 130

Don't know about Reich but it always takes two to tango or make a good marriage. Similarly leaders and followers create each other's relative roles.

Consent can be withheld or given but never forced; consent forced is submission.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 5 2022 19:09 utc | 116

Western democracy is now little better than a confidence trick and, using Macron once more as an example, it is plain that a lot worse is concealed behind the thinnest of veneers.

Taken as a whole, the general population is not at all responsible for this state of affairs. The corresponding decline is the will of an incorrigible ruling elite, aristocracy and comprador class. A good portion of these will understand the criminality of their actions ... the rest do not.

The general public are manipulated into believing that they are “doing the right thing”, and that is what most of them do believe. They are hardly to be held liable on account of a gullibility that people have almost always and everywhere possessed in the mass.

It’s not so much that I disagree with the get-the-government-they-deserve argument, so much that I find it to be sleazy reactionary dross. I replied to Jams O'Donnell because variants of the same argument have come up a multiple times over the past few days, like some creepy talking point, and I hadn’t seen anyone offer a counter argument.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2022 20:54 utc | 131

Mazel Tove, Banderites, you have sold Slavs to Jews.

Posted by: Cerena | Oct 5 2022 11:18 utc | 29

In fact, the Bandera Nazis are from Galicia, and are a people whom they believe are descended from Vikings, not Slavs at all. In their ideology, Russian Slavs, perhaps all Slavs, are untermenschen, inferiors, to be enslaved, killed, driven from their lands. Russian Slavs in particular are 'polluted' because of their intermixing with the Mongol conquerers.
Recall Hitlers liebenschraum, as he coveted Slavic lands for good, Aryan German farmers. Same thing, as Galicia is the poorest oblast of poor Ukraine and they must covet the rich lands of Ukraine's east.

Posted by: Tedder | Oct 5 2022 20:54 utc | 132

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Oct 5 2022 20:45 utc | 130
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Right : incompetent !
But it doesn't seem to fit into the plan at all!
Not even German media are reporting... where these and Lupmin are particularly affected.
A declaration of war is about to happen !!

Posted by: Mo3.1 | Oct 5 2022 20:55 utc | 133

One theme I'm not really seeing a lot of in comments is that the Russians are, and have been since the start of the conflict (8+ years ago) trying their hardest to minimize reputational damage (if not in the "democratic" west, in the BRICs and Global South countries) by adhering to norms of combat and diplomacy that the US simply does not do. This has been evident since day 1 of the crisis in the Donbass region when Russia said they didn't want a role in it, didn't want to annex those territories, and told the responsible parties and NATO countries to work it out via Minsk I and II.

They have also been doing their best to minimize civilian casualties, as has been admitted by western media sources, most often condescendingly and spun a different way (see: Newsweek's article from March about how Putin could have bombed Ukraine to smithereens by now ala "Shock and Awe" American style combat) but has refused to do so.

Again, they are demonstrating to the world at large that they will abide by UN and international law, not the phony FUKUSNATO "rules based order."

So I don't see why it's such a surprise that they have engaged in Azov and Azov adjacent prisoner swaps or detentions in third party countries like Turkey pending resolution of combat activities. When Putin said they were aiming to "de-nazify" Ukraine, he never said they would execute every single prisoner taken, unless I've missed something big in one of his speeches. Also, chances are that many of these Azov and associates were really just dumb young men seduced by the faux nationalistic and white supremacist talk, but were not full adherents to the nazi-esque ideologies and didn't represent a future threat to Russia once they were removed from the territories in question. The irony is that, if past history is any guide, they will become nightmares to the west like the Mujahideen and Al Qaeda have, not to mention ISIS. Before the news blackout and image laundering that b's article talks about began, there were many reports of US- and EU-based "nazis and white supremacists" exchanging personnel with Ukrainian ones, training with them, and fighting alongside them, often returning back to their "militia" groups in the US, and likely the EU.
Perhaps Putin isn't so concerned with letting the chickens go home to roost, and more concerned with de-nazifying the Donbass and Ukraine in a manner most befitting international law and precedent. Had they engaged in mass executions, it would only have been trumpeted on the front pages of the Langley Times and Bezos' blog, a real PR loss in the ongoing information war that is being waged on us westerners.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2022 21:02 utc | 134

@115: those Azov criminals certainly aren't fighting in Ukraine now and we will see about their fate in Turkey or afterwards...In any case, removing them from Ukrainian territory at least meant some denazification. Exchanging them for Russian soldiers was an act of moral superiority, hard to understand for some people it seems...your morals may not be up to it...
@126: president Putin did not say anything like that. In every one of his speeches he is intelligent and lucid, as well as obviously proud of his country (and its armed forces). I think he would like this blog, but he (and most of serious contributors here) would like this blog even beter if it wasn't infested by trolls (and trolls lacking inspiration at that, your nagging never changes).

Posted by: anthony | Oct 5 2022 21:04 utc | 135

(once again for you Marvel fans, Putin is not personally running everything. or even anything, per se. not everyone on the planet thinks that he personally and solely is "The Decider", much less decider AND executor AND the money AND the legal approval AND...what else? popular approval?)

bevin | Oct 5 2022 19:43 utc | 120

not sure exactly what to make of this decision but obviously these troopers are off the streets and perhaps open to any future prosecutions, if such happen and it turns out any of these clowns are not such "small fry" after all? oh, and obviously this one thing is not the be-all and end-all.

"Putin lets Nazis go, proves he's not 'denazifying'" is something worthy of Counterpunch. it's the tactic of Nazis to make everyone either a Nazi or an equivalent of Nazis. Thus, Stalin = Hitler, otherwise Old Joe would never have made a peace treaty w/Adolf.

See? everyone does it. everyone is a genocidal pig. The Soviets marching on Berlin is exactly equivalent to Nazis marching on Moscow. (as long as you remember: no body counts!)

oh, and Putin won't save Americans from their own goddam mafia cabal masquerading as a government. there's always that. we might have to put down the clicker and Pepsi and turn off the game for that. or not go on strike, but quit. and never go back to this ridiculous mcjob bs.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Oct 5 2022 21:07 utc | 136

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 5 2022 20:52 utc | 131

So the International Jew / Nazi government of Hitler (regardless of your thoughts on him) took 30 million Russian Bolshevik (Jew?) lives for what reason? I'm not following your script, but perhaps it's because while you want to come across as being thorough (while accusing others of the opposite) you're really hiding part of your opinion? I'm not being facetious or sarcastic; I genuinely do not see the logic or historicity in your statements on these matters.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2022 21:08 utc | 137

Here's a clip and transcript of Stephen Cohen's statements on NATO expansion back in 2010, made to the Carnegie Council.

https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/05/video-stephen-f-cohen-provides-clarity-on-nato-expansion-and-russia-more-than-10-years-ago/

NATO expansion is not over for the Russians. It’s a reality. NATO is sitting on its borders. It’s not about future NATO expansion; it’s about current.

NATO expansion represents the following to Russia: It represents a profoundly broken promise to Russia, made by the first Bush, that in return for a united Germany in NATO, NATO would not expand eastward. This is beyond any dispute.

People say they never signed a treaty. But a deal is a deal. If the United States gives its word—unless we’re shysters, and if you don’t get it in writing, we’ll cheat you—we broke our word. When both Putin and Medvedev say publicly, to Madeleine Albright and others, “We, Russia, feel deceived and betrayed,” that’s what they are talking about.

So NATO represents on the part of Russia a lack of trust: You break your words to us. To what extent can we trust you?

Secondly, it represents military encirclement. If you sit in the Kremlin and you look out at where NATO is and where they want to go, it’s everywhere. It’s everywhere on Russia’s borders.

But there’s something even more profound that is a taboo in the United States. NATO expansion represents for the Russians American hypocrisy and a dual standard. They see it this way, and I can’t think of any way to deny their argument.

The expansion of NATO is the expansion of the American sphere of influence, plain and simple. Where NATO goes, our military force goes. Where NATO goes, our arms munitions go, because they have to buy American weapons. Where NATO goes, Western soldiers go, who date their women, who bring along their habits, and all the other things. It’s clearly, undebatably, indisputably an expansion of America’s sphere of influence.

So there has been a tremendous expansion of America’s sphere of influence since the mid-1990s, right plunk on Russia’s borders, with all the while, every American administration saying to Russia, including the Obama Administration, “You cannot have a sphere of influence because that’s old thinking.”

The Russians may be cruel, but they’re not stupid. In other words, what they say [America is saying] is, “We can now have the biggest sphere of influence the world has ever seen, and you don’t get any, not even on your own border. In fact, we’re taking what used to be your traditional sphere of influence, along with the energy and all the rest. It’s ours now”—again, this idea of a winner-take-all policy.

This is the enormous resentment in Russia. ...SPEECH CONTINUES...

Direct link to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mciLyG9iexE

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2022 21:18 utc | 138

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2022 21:18 utc | 139
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But it is also about the fact that without Russia, the enemy, NATO would no longer have a right to exist!
Thus large industries no orders No billions of profits!
And who owns these armaments industries?
Ergo: An enemy had to come here....China would never have offered this reason to the public in the West!
Russia alone because THE BAD RUSSIAN has been slumbering in people's heads for decades!
THEY probably woke up after the speech by Putin in the German Bundestag.... all the bells rang for the SECRET leadership in the USA and Europe!

Posted by: Mo3.1 | Oct 5 2022 21:52 utc | 139

It doesn't get more disgusting than the current crop of people who run the US Government. Bordellos in Tijuana are cleaner than the giant bordello on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: JEinCA | Oct 6 2022 0:17 utc | 140

karlof1 ~125 said at Mummer ~122 The Outlaw US Empire's Terrorist Foreign Legion is busy in Burkina Faso and other vestiges of French Colonial Africa. I rather doubt anyone wants to ally with them.

Glad that somebody's paying attention. The USA's devious and corrupting adventurism throughout Africa makes France's la Françafrique seem like benign paternalism, for all their dark "operations", from Oside and Requin to Serval and the on-going Barkhane. All strength to Russia, Turkey, the UAE (and indeed France) in their push-back against the USA militarist, intelligence, pharmaceutical and bioweapons subversion across Africa. And most of all to China for their respectful and constructive mutualist dealings with African governments.

Posted by: petra | Oct 6 2022 1:28 utc | 141

@ petra | Oct 6 2022 1:28 utc | 142

While France supports the Nazis in Ukraine, 3 countries have been already taken out of French control (the Central African Republic, Mali and Burkina Faso). ... Macron is effectively presiding over the collapse of the French neo-colonial empire in northwest Africa. ... While Wagner Group has played a key role in deposing the French, it is noteworthy that Russia is not making any extra effort for this. ... France is now very weak and does not hold on to its former sphere of influence.

Posted by: Mummer | Oct 6 2022 1:43 utc | 142

All white pipo are racist nazis except for these particular racist nazis. Ignore that Wolfsangel!

Posted by: Wokechoke | Oct 6 2022 2:01 utc | 143

In August, Jon Stewart gave some awards to some Azov Battalion Nazis, at Disneyworld, at some event sponsored by the Pentagon.
The Avoz guy accepting the award wore a short-sleeve-T on in the Florida heat. But on one arm, he had a long-sleeved-T covering his NAZI tattoos.

Posted by: Richard Whitney | Oct 6 2022 2:05 utc | 144

Mummer, approx.143
This is all very true. But we have to be aware of what we wish for and are watching very carefully to make sure that the USA does not fill the vacuum resulting from France's eviction. As others have expressed, I do believe that France's eviction is not quite as autochthonous as it may appear. The French in Africa have long been a thorn in the side of the beast called the USA, which has been deviously intervening in Africa from Lumumba and Hammarskjold through Machel and Hani all the way to present times of "Islamism" in Mozambique and the disappearing of leaders resisting corona-blackmail. (And to be frank, I don't foresee such an emphatic eviction as the excitement of the moment trumpets.)

Posted by: petra | Oct 6 2022 2:06 utc | 145

"I don't know if we'll ever find out why there were four explosions that only affected three of the four tubes. At the moment we can only speculate about the reason for this. Perhaps the placement of the explosive devices was simply a mistake, because instead of being attached to both pipes of Nord Stream 2, the two explosive devices were attached to pipe A of the pipeline, while no explosive device was attached to pipe B."
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Posted by: Mo3.1 | Oct 5 2022 19:50 utc | 121

A good counter to the "Russia did it" argument. Of all parties Russia would know the exact route of all the pipes. If they were planning for some devious reason to only blow up three of them why set off four explosions?

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Oct 6 2022 3:02 utc | 146

@138 tom q

If you would take a few minutes and give the essay I referenced, Der Spiegel's "Only a God Can Save Us," a read, I think it would be illuminating.

It helps to have a little understanding about Heidegger and the fact he was the Rector at Freiburg shortly in 1933 during the NSDAP ascendancy.

Heidegger's reputation has been supremely tarnished by his association with National Socialism. But, as is usually the case, the truth is always much more elusive than simply dismissing him forever as a Nazi. His philosophy is so powerful and important that this interview and his thinking around the matter gives a very fruitful understanding and sweeping version of this period in history and how it relates to the then remnant system of a bicameral, yet metaphysically the same, system of human relations with technicity (communism and western liberalism).

It's very illuminating, indeed.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 6 2022 3:02 utc | 147

Poland demands attention.
Current governing party is the Law and Justice Party (PiS), and the leader is the (surviving twin) Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the P.M. is Duda. The main opposition party is the Platforma Obywatelska- Civic Platform (PO). Anne Applebaum's husband Radek Sikorsky and U.S. Ambassador to Poland Mark Brzezinski are affiliated with this party. Expect political manoeuvring re. Poland, domestically and geopolitically.
Here's a neat little bio. of the son of the author of "The Grand Chessboard":
https://www.newsy-today.com/the-new-us-ambassador-to-poland-who-is-mark-brzezinski

Posted by: Australian lady | Oct 6 2022 3:03 utc | 148

Correction @148

Der Spiegel's "Only a God Can Save Us," is an interview, not an essay.

Though taken a certain way...

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 6 2022 3:14 utc | 149

There were some musings over some flight radar sightings where a p8 plane (not helicopters) was making bombing runs over the NS pipe lines.

I was wondering if anyone had a linky because I cannot find it. Is it debunked?

Thank you.

PS: Thank you (the big) B and all the other commenters in the community bar.

Posted by: bobzibub | Oct 6 2022 3:35 utc | 150

I cannot see any logic for the actions of the Russian army. This constant retreat and giving up territory has painted the Russians as weak. The world respects strenght and once you have shown that you are weak you have given up the iniative and most times you cannot reclaim it. The Russian seem as if they have lost momentum and morale and they are going to be pushed out of the territories that they now occupy and Russia and President Putin will be humiliated. This is not the Russian army I have always been hearing about. Severely dissapointed.

Posted by: Curious Passerby | Oct 6 2022 3:48 utc | 151

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 6 2022 3:02 utc | 148

Regardless, that's not the part of your comment(s) to which I was referring. I'm trying to get a handle on the thing about international jewry being in collusion with Hitler (the fake Nazi, IIUYR), and then still trying to destroy a bunch of Jews in Russia to the tune of 30M+ dead (obviously not all Jews, but in the attempt to take down some Jews in control). Frankly your opinion on the whole "Jewish question" in general. It's sounding a lot like my buddies who get all their information from YouTube influencers that talk about lizard people and the Jewish illuminati.

In any case, I'd also appreciate it if you could elaborate on your worldview regarding what Russia - an ostensibly orthodox Christian country - is doing to either promote or destroy "nazism."

Finally, are you accusing bevin of being a Jew? If so, why does that matter and why the threatening language that he can't "admit" it when it has no bearing on the validity or historical accuracy of his statements? It's a common theme in your dialogue with him.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 6 2022 4:28 utc | 152

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Oct 6 2022 3:02 utc | 147

A better counter is leaving the Baltic Pipeline to Poland intact..........

Anyway, what about Norway ? It builds REMUS 100 submersible UAVs and knows a lot about underwater pipeline engineering.......and is intimate with Denmark and Sweden - though I admit it was Denmark that assisted NSA splicing undersea cables to monitor Merkel' telco traffic..........

Poland now has a pipeline carrying 10bcm gas from Norway instead of Yamal carrying 33bcm - I suppose this is Reverse Polish Logic ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 6 2022 6:30 utc | 153

Why did the Russians let these Azov scum go? Can you imagine the Red Army releasing waffen-ss prisoners after 4 months? Can you imagine the Red Army taking waffen-ss prisoners at all? Even the Canadians around Caen wouldn't take those Hitler Jugend (12th SS Pz Div) prisoners alive after massacres of Kanuk prisoners.

If I were DPR/LPR militia I'd be seething over the prisoner swap. Regular UA guys, ok, but not Azov, Kraken, Right Sector, C14, psychopaths.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 6 2022 7:40 utc | 154

Over the past many years we've been fed the myth about the great Vladimir Putin and the mighty Russian army. That myth has just exploded. I would not want to be a citizen in any of these new territories as just as how the Russians surrendered Lyman and those other territories they are about to either be captured in Kherson or put their tails between their legs and run again. This is pathetic. Even Russian parlimentarians are screaming about this. There seems to be no plan and this war was entered into without proper strategic thinking. This is going to finish the Russians and may even lead to the end of Putin's reign.

Posted by: Curious Passerby | Oct 6 2022 10:39 utc | 155

@zidar | Oct 5 2022 17:53 utc | 105

Wow! Did you manage to post the result of your 15 minute survey on wikipedia? Congratulations, kid!
Mom must be satisfied with your intellectual performance after treatment with all the drugs you mentioned with apparent knowledge of the facts.
Now stop talking nonsense and get back to the video game.

Posted by: Grey Sparrow | Oct 6 2022 15:09 utc | 156

@Jun | Oct 5 2022 15:57 utc | 75

Well, I never expect much from an idiot. Did you even read the s**t you wrote?
"The ultimate goal for denazification is to save Russian lives". Really? I could agree with that if in the case at hand it was true. But it is not. Quite the contrary, here it was NAZIFICATION that saved the lives of Russian prisoners, not denazification.
You're dumb?
Now all those criminals have been reunited with their families in Turkey and the English mercenaries send you greetings from London.
For you, Nazi lover, it must be a happy day.

Posted by: Grey Sparrow | Oct 6 2022 15:32 utc | 157

@ Grey Sparrow | Oct 6 2022 15:09 utc | 157

it is indeed the other way around...

Posted by: james | Oct 6 2022 17:03 utc | 158

@Grey Sparrow | Oct 5 2022 15:05 utc | 69

"Achieving goals with minimal loss of life of Russian soldiers is one thing, putting as "ultimate goal" (?) to avoid losses of soldiers in a war is stupid."

I think you are not taking into account all the Russians that were killed in the past 8 years by the Ukraine, and the many more that would have been killed had the Ukraine started this war (as they had been planning).

Posted by: pepa65 | Oct 9 2022 2:01 utc | 159

"story about the reunion of freed Azov losers-"

"Losers"? oh no-no-no-no-no! - You mean the soldiers "taken captive by Russia...after the Ukrainian authorities declared an end to the combat mission there." (NYT article)

Posted by: abramawicz | Oct 9 2022 16:02 utc | 160

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