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October 29, 2022
Drone Attack On Sevastopol

This morning at 4:20 local time the Russian fleet in the Crimean port of Sevastopol was attacked by nine unmanned aerial vehicles and seven autonomous maritime drones. Earlier a maritime drone that had run aground in Crimea and had been found and pictured.


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During today's attack a large U.S. drone had flown circles south of Crimea. It likely relayed data from and to the drones.

The maritime drones are British and Russia alleges that British specialists had trained the Ukrainian navy in using them. It also says that British soldiers were involved in the attack on the Nord Stream pipeline.

The Ukrainians published two videos shot by the maritime drones while attacking. One of the video shows extensive gun fire impacts near the drone from a Russian helicopter that is attacking it.

The Russians say that all the aerial drones and 4 of 7 maritime drones were defeated before they could caused damage. They also say that one mine seeking ship was damaged in the harbor. It is possible that the damage is greater than Russia admits.

As a consequence of the attack Russia declared that the deal which allowed for grain exports from Odessa has been suspended. That deal had already been in danger as the 'west' had not fulfilled its part of the deal which would have allowed for the export for Russian fertilizer to third parties.

I find it likely that Russia will take additional measures to punish the Ukrainian navy for the brazen attack. Additional attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure is another possibility.

Meanwhile all recent attempts by the Ukrainian army to penetrate the Russian held lines have failed. It is notable that these are now much smaller in size with just a battalion or in some cases just two companies in the lead.

It is now definitely mud season in Ukraine during which it is impossible to cross most farmland even on feet. This will hinder the attacking forces on both sides until winter sets in.

Comments

There’s a glitch since in the script. Allegedly 299 comments posted but only 253 comments displaying.

Posted by: Willow | Oct 31 2022 20:58 utc | 301

karlof1 @ 299
>>And yes, it’s becoming a siege.
The underlying point was where the senior officers were in their early years. It takes 25-30s to become a senior General. This is long before 2014 for their education years, and those were in Russia.
Russia trains its officers in a similar configuration to the US. There are attached military training institutes to purely civilian universities. The US does the same thing, called ROTC. Most US officers came from ROTC, i.e., civilian universities. The Academies are also 4 year universities of sorts, but with an entirely military focus. Russia has these, too.
The Ukraine senior guys were thus college roommates of the senior Russian guys. May have even stayed in touch. They sat in the same classes. The CIA folks have to know this and probably have advised a strict separation of Zelensky from them, and indeed, kept them out of the civilian leadership proximity.
Regardless, this is the most likely end to the war. Ukraine military will work with their classmates to get it ended, take control, promise democratic elections . . . someday, and that will be that.

Posted by: I Know Things | Oct 31 2022 21:12 utc | 302

I apologize for my repetitive posts. Doing something wrong. Not sure what.

Posted by: Seward | Oct 31 2022 21:27 utc | 303

@Willow 300 “glitch in the script”
A possible hint: when the page ended at comment 253, I clicked the “253” link and then received the full 3rd page, comments 201 to 300.

Posted by: BillC | Oct 31 2022 21:34 utc | 304

Posted by: Garry Owen | Oct 31 2022 15:23 utc | 198
“Oh, Canuck: Those B-52s still flying weren’t built in 1956, it’s a “56 airframe design.”
Had some bad news over the last couple of days – and some good news (I never ask now) I assume the vast majority of my friends and whats left of my family have been jabbed – but I don’t know, unless they admit it.
The latest news today (for me), my wife told me she heard the goss today at the swimming pool…Our Spanish long time friend ..We all love her – Very Spanish – and totally mad (nice) – as Spanish and Ballodi as you can get for a Spanish girl living in England for most of her life and invites us to Spain – its a Dance
The Gossip – is that she had a Stroke – been in Hospital in England for 8 days (lot of it about)
She is back home now, so I texted her and she replied in perfect English (not easy for a Spanish Girl)
She insisted, she had not had a stroke, but had been in hospital for 8 days
She knows my wife and family love her to bits.
I am guessing she kind of lost the plot, and has been in a mental hospital for 8 days
Both my wife and I are in communication with her, just hoping she is O.K. and inviting her to musical events,in England when she is feeling OK, close to where she lives
She can Dance
Glad MOA is back. (The vast majority of Americans have never even had a passport – so it is no surprise that they have no understanding of European cultures, and all our diveristies, and the fact that we do get on – and like each other)
We even tolerate Americans, though since 9/11 they rarely turn up and seem to have gone paranoid
meanwhile – this the B52’s
“The B-52’s – Love Shack (Official Music Video)”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOryJvTAGs
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 31 2022 21:48 utc | 305

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Posted by: bevin | Oct 31 2022 21:57 utc | 306

Putin participated in trilateral talks with the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan in Sochi and held a presser afterwards. The negotiations went well but more still must be done before a peace treaty can be signed. As might be expected, there was more interest in Ukrainian events than the talks:

Vladimir Putin: Good evening.
Please, what are the questions?
Lyudmila Samsonia: Good afternoon, Mr President.
Lana Samsonia, Interfax.
I would like to ask about the results of the trilateral summit. You have already called the meeting useful and creating an atmosphere for further agreements. A joint statement was adopted, but part of it, as you yourself said, was removed from this statement. If possible, tell us what the parties failed to agree on and how the results of this meeting correlate with the results of the meeting that took place in Prague without Russia’s participation.
Vladimir Putin: As for the meeting in Prague without Russia’s participation, why without participation is clear to us, and no one needs to explain: our European partners conduct their policy in such a way as to try to exclude Russia from all formats. It is absolutely clear that in some situations this is absolutely unrealistic, impossible – as, for example, in this case. But for our part, we always welcome any efforts aimed at a settlement. Therefore, as for how this correlates, it correlates in a completely natural way, and we support everything that is aimed at reducing the confrontation and resolving it, as I have already said.
As for the issues that could not be agreed upon, can this be said? Can. But you don’t have to. Because if they have not yet been settled, then, in my opinion, there is no need to focus the attention of the press and the public on them, but we just need to calmly seek approval in a closed mode. These are very subtle things that are sensitive for both parties, and I do not consider myself entitled to highlight them without coordination with partners.
Kirill Panyushkin: Good afternoon. Konstantin Panyushkin, Channel One.
Could you please tell us what is the fate of our peacekeepers in the region? First.
Second. Not much has been said today about the delimitation of the border, when and how will it be organized?
And the third. There are few statements about this, but still – what is the fate of the peace treaty between Armenia and Azerbaijan?
Vladimir Putin: As for peacekeepers, this is spelled out in our joint statement in November 2020, when the conflict was terminated. There’s nothing to add here.
According to the peace treaty, there is none yet. It is too early to talk about the main components of this document, because after all, this is the subject of compromises for sure, which should be reached on both sides through mediation, if both contracting parties want, including our country.
Demarcation, delimitation of the border is the most important issue, you are absolutely right, I agree with this. Indeed, we talked a lot about this today. There are some prerequisites that in general the way has been found. If you carefully read today’s statement, you will find preliminary assessments, preliminary – if not agreements, then the prerequisites that these agreements can be reached.
I repeat, we have talked a lot about this: we are ready to provide the maps of the General Staff of the Soviet Army that we have at our disposal. These are the most accurate maps, as we understand. And we are ready to move on this basis, discussing with both sides. We have agreed that these contacts, these talks, these consultations will continue.
Anything else?
Kirill Panyushkin: You said that there is nothing to add to the peacekeepers. Just Pashinyan on the eve of his trip to Russia said that he would like to extend the mandate from five years at once, maybe even to 20. Did he offer that to you? How was this discussed?
Vladimir Putin: We talked about this. But this requires our joint agreements.
You know, this will also depend on other questions that you have just asked: the possible conclusion of a peace treaty and the issue of demarcation and delimitation of borders.
If these issues are resolved, then the issue of peacekeepers will be different. If they are not resolved or resolved to some extent, then the fate of our peacekeeping contingent depends on it. But in any case, both sides expressed their gratitude to Russia for the work we are doing there.
Pavel Zarubin: Good evening. Pavel Zarubin, Rossiya TV channel.
Vladimir Putin: Good evening.
Pavel Zarubin: One of the main global issues is the suspension of Russia’s participation in the grain deal. And of course, a new powerful chorus of voices from the leaders of Western countries has already risen. They all accuse Russia of provoking world hunger. Biden generally called Russia’s decision outrageous.
Yes, we have already heard the statement of the Russian Defence Ministry, but I can ask you: why did Russia make this decision? How do you feel about these accusations of disruption of the agreements?
After all, the UN and Turkey have announced that they will continue to produce ships, and then what next? In your opinion, how can this process take place further?
Vladimir Putin: This whole process of exporting grain from Ukraine was organised under the pretext of ensuring the interests of the poorest countries. We did this in the interests of the poorest countries.
I don’t remember the data of the last hours and last days, but in general it looks like this: [about] 34 percent of the grain goes to Turkey; 35, a little more, to the EU countries. And only 3–4 percent, according to the Ministry of Agriculture – maybe sometimes a little more – up to 5 percent, this figure fluctuates because more are exported back and forth – only 3–4, well, maybe 5 percent, went in favor of the so-called poorest countries according to the UN classification. Look, did we do everything for that?
But that’s not the point. And the fact is that the attack that was undertaken – unsuccessful, but nevertheless it was undertaken – on the part of Ukraine on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet – we must pay tribute to our sailors and thank them, of course, for the fact that they were at the height of the situation, repelled all the attacks – but these drones – both underwater and air – partially went in the corridor. through which grain is exported from Ukraine. Thus, they created a threat to our ships, which should ensure the safety of grain exports, and to civilian vessels that are engaged in this. And we have committed ourselves to ensuring that security.
But if, you excuse me for the simplicity of the expression, Ukraine slaps on these courts? We will be to blame just as everyone is now cracking about what Russia is doing, not remembering what caused it, but caused it by the creation of a threat to this humanitarian corridor.
I have not seen the defence ministry’s statement in its final form, but I know that the Defence Minister found an opportunity for me to report my position today during the day, and I agreed with it. He rightly says that they pose a threat to our ships and to civilian vessels. And we must ensure the safety of civilian vessels.
Therefore, we are not saying that we are terminating our participation in this operation, no. We’re talking about what we’re suspending.
One of the organizers of this work was the Secretary-General of the United Nations, and UN staff take an active part in this work, for which we are grateful to them, of course. But then let them work with Ukraine, and Ukraine must ensure that there are no threats to civil courts and to Russia’s support vessels.
Look, I don’t know whether the Defence Ministry gave it or not, but this is not a joke – these underwater vehicles are six meters long, I think, 500 tons of explosives. If it gets there, there will be nothing left of the grain or the ship. And we will be to blame.
Therefore, the Russian Defense Ministry correctly raises the question of conducting additional work with the United Nations, and they, in turn, with Ukraine, so that Ukraine guarantees the security of this corridor. I do not see anything unusual here, this is a matter of coordinating positions, work and obligations – in this case, on the part of Ukrainian partners.
Andrei Khristenko: Alexander Khristenko, Rossiya Tv Channel.
Mr President, mobilization in Russia was announced by your Executive Order. Defense Minister Shoigu announced its completion. Should we wait for your executive order on this as well?
Vladimir Putin: No, I think, from a legal point of view… Yes, of course, this was done by my Executive Order, because it is impossible to do otherwise according to the law. But this was done at the suggestion of the Ministry of Defense, this is natural, and now the Ministry of Defense has proposed to complete the mobilization measures.
I’ll talk to lawyers, by the way. Frankly, I didn’t even think about it. I will talk to the lawyers whether it is necessary to announce by decree that it has been completed. But it’s over. The point has been made. The Ministry of Defense initially called a much smaller figure, but then in the end they came to the conclusion that 300,000 people were needed to be mobilized. I would like to draw your attention to what the Defence Minister said during the report: 41,000 people are in the Armed Forces’ combat formations. This means that 260,000, or rather, 259,000 – some of them are in the troops, as part of the grouping, but do not take part in hostilities, but carry out coordination, and the rest is on the training grounds. That is, almost 260 thousand people do not participate in hostilities at all, but are trained. One way or another, to one degree or another. That concludes the mobilization.
Irada Rudneva: Good evening. Ilona Rudneva, RIA Novosti.
Recently, you proposed to create a gas hub in Turkey, [President] Erdogan supported this idea. Is there any news now on this issue? At what stage is the process? Maybe there are possible buyers of gas?
Vladimir Putin: There are always gas buyers. In the world, this product is very much in demand. This is the most environmentally friendly hydrocarbon and the ideal primary source of energy for the transition period to “green” energy, ideal. The least emissions from its use. Therefore, I think – I don’t think, I know that there are a lot of consumers and there are also a lot of people who want to buy Russian gas.
As for the choice of Turkey as a possible hub for supplies to Europe in this case, it seems to me that it is clear why we are doing this, why we proposed it. Because it is very difficult to work directly with European partners. In addition, we are still aware of the tragic events associated with the explosion of gas pipelines.
The Europeans, as is often the case, as is almost always the case, have closed their mouths and remain silent as if this is the right thing to do, despite the fact that this is real, fundamentally undermining their interests. Moreover, someone else had the audacity to think that it was Russia itself that blew up. It’s hard to imagine such nonsense that anyone has thought of it, but, nevertheless, they invent all such nonsense.
Miller reported to me today in the morning that they examined – by the way, they allowed Gazprom to examine the site of the explosion. Two craters – three and five meters deep – maybe Gazprom has already given this information, I don’t know. A 40-meter-long pipe was torn out. The gap is, the whole pipes have diverged by 259 meters, I think. And this piece of pipe that was torn out, it was bent 90 degrees and thrown 40 meters to the side, just in the direction of Nord Stream 2, which also turned out to be damaged, apparently, by this explosion, and fragments, the remains of this pipe. So it’s an obvious terrorist attack.
It is difficult for us to control this, because it is all in the special economic zone of Denmark, Sweden, and then further than Germany.
In this sense, it is easier for us to work with Turkey. Firstly, because President Erdogan is a man of his word: if we agree on something, it may be difficult to agree, but if we agree, we try to fulfill it. First. And secondly, it is easier for us to control the Black Sea.
So it’s a realistic project, and we’ll be able to do that pretty quickly. And there will be enough people who want to conclude contracts. There’s no doubt about that.
Let’s see what happens this winter, next winter. But I am sure that the contracts will be concluded. There is no doubt. In the end, we and European countries can be used as transit countries for supplies to other regions of the world. But I have no doubt that there are many people in Europe.
What else? Please, Andrew.
Andrei Kolesnikov: The Kommersant newspaper.
Vladimir Vladimirovich, you are seeking a peace treaty for Armenia and Azerbaijan, but I would like to ask, what about your own country?
You have repeatedly said that Russia is ready for negotiations with Ukraine, but Volodymyr Zelensky, for example, by his decree forbade himself to talk with you, and in my opinion, there are no points of contact, an intersection at which it would be possible to agree.
Still, from your point of view, what exactly could Russia offer Ukraine at such negotiations from what can be agreed?
Vladimir Putin: In order to start proposing at the talks, it is necessary that they take place, and it is not always advisable to put your negotiating position on the table in advance in order to achieve your national goals. Sometimes this needs to be done one last time or by making demands that diplomats call “request”, and then gradually move towards a common denominator that would satisfy both sides.
But in order to reach agreements, you need to sit down at the negotiating table and negotiate. We reached an agreement with them in Istanbul, they took everything and threw it in the trash, and now, as you rightly noted, they have forbidden themselves to talk about anything with us. How can we now discuss possible agreements if there is not even a desire on the other side to talk to us?
We will wait, maybe some necessary conditions will ripen, but our goodwill is known, it is not subject to any changes and doubts.
Pavel Zarubin: After the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge, you said that in the event of a repetition of such terrorist attacks, Russia’s response would be proportionate. Are today’s massive strikes on the territory of Ukraine a response to the recent events in Sevastopol?
Vladimir Putin: In part, this is true. But that’s not all we could do.
Alexander Yunashev: Good afternoon. Alexander Yunashev, “Life”.
Vladimir Vladimirovich, in continuation of [the question of] possible or impossible peace talks with Zelensky. You’ve been asked several times if you’re going to go to the G20, where Zelensky might be. You’ve said several times that a decision hasn’t been made yet. Maybe it’s already accepted?
And what about Thailand? Will you go to the APEC summit?
Vladimir Putin: No, these decisions have not yet been made.
But since we are moving further and further away from the topic of today’s talks and from the subject of today’s talks, it seems to me that this could be the end of this.
Thank you very much.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2022 22:07 utc | 307

Thanks for posting that, Putin continues to amaze too bad most Americans have never heard or read a single thing he has ever said.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Oct 31 2022 22:17 utc | 308

I Know Things | Oct 31 2022 20:20 utc | 292
The Russian missiles have electronic warfare systems that appear to put ghost targets onto radars. Radar based SAM systems simply fire at ghosts just before the missile comes through. I have seen this on video from Ukraine. Prior to seeing hat video I had read that the Russian missiles had EW.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2022 22:28 utc | 309

For the record, I shall only post this once, no matter how sorely the devil tempts me to double down. It it posts more than once, it won’t have been my finger on the button.
~~
A brief thought on comments that The Art of War advises against long wars, even against a weaker opponent.
I don’t think Sun Tzu is offering this advice for a war of attrition. If the greater force is deliberately attriting the lesser force, and suffering no great damage from the passage of time, then the passage of time itself is an ally working to achieve the ends.
Affordable and successful attrition is the one exception, I would posit, to the general rule against long wars.
As we have seen (or at least, those who have eyes to see such things), Russia makes gains every day even when she appears to be doing nothing. Purely from the passage of time.
It’s continually necessary to remember the declared goals of this operation, demilitarization and denazification. I’m quite sure the Russian general staff never forgets this.
~~
On reflection, I should also add that the “war” is not constrained to the operation on the ground in Ukraine. History may yet have much in store for us as it records how Russia fought NATO back to its 1991 boundaries. The action in Ukraine so far may yet be seen as merely the opening skirmishes and positioning to a far greater play.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 31 2022 22:31 utc | 310

@ karlof1 | Oct 31 2022 22:07 utc | 307 with the Putin Q/A today…thanks
I like the clarity of this part of the response about the drone attack

Therefore, we are not saying that we are terminating our participation in this operation, no. We’re talking about what we’re suspending.
One of the organizers of this work was the Secretary-General of the United Nations, and UN staff take an active part in this work, for which we are grateful to them, of course. But then let them work with Ukraine, and Ukraine must ensure that there are no threats to civil courts and to Russia’s support vessels.
Look, I don’t know whether the Defence Ministry gave it or not, but this is not a joke – these underwater vehicles are six meters long, I think, 500 tons of explosives. If it gets there, there will be nothing left of the grain or the ship. And we will be to blame.
Therefore, the Russian Defense Ministry correctly raises the question of conducting additional work with the United Nations, and they, in turn, with Ukraine, so that Ukraine guarantees the security of this corridor. I do not see anything unusual here, this is a matter of coordinating positions, work and obligations – in this case, on the part of Ukrainian partners.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2022 22:43 utc | 311

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 31 2022 22:31 utc | 310
Nato is the proactive opponent here. Nato allocates its own weapons, Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Finns, British, US etc. etc. in all forms and shapes and sizes. They come in form of mercenaries and deactivated Nato personnel enlisted to the Ukrainian armed forces. Nato allocates its weapons, which have proved not to be any kind of Wunderwaffe. Himars is a glorified, bit longer range and accurate Katyusha, basically.
However bad it may sound, this war is a cheaper option to Russia, and they seek not to expand it, but let Nato come relatively freely to the doorstep. Where a multitude of more weapon options is available to destroy it.
If Russia can do it at a significant favorable loss ratio which seems to be occurring, it is the best option.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2022 23:00 utc | 312

I don’t know what the problem was, and who and how it was fixed, but come on, we are all delighted that Bernhard Hoftsman (a 75 year old German Man) has got his show back on the road..so send him some money if you gave got a dollar, a dime, a pound or a penny to spare.
He is such a nice man, he doesn’t have a donate button, and very rarely asks
I have never had any problem sending money to him – cos he lives in Europe
It might work for you, but I have personally found living in London England, trying to send any money to anyone in the USA, a complete nightmare
The Americans (or their banks) – have made it completely obvious to me – they do not want my English money – and to be fair, there is NOTHING American that I want to buy.
The Americans have attacked us (their “friends”???????)
The Americans have bombed our European Energy Infrastructure, and are now trying to blame us British???
The Americans have bombed Germany
The Americans have bombed Russia
Us English go on holiday with our European Friends
We hardly ever see an American…
Maybe occasionaly a Canadian, in places like Cuba, who try and explain to us English, why there are no Americans here (not completely true – but close)
Americans do not go down well. They are so f’cking ignorant and arrogant, they think the sun shines out of their arseholes, whilst the rest of the world sees american shit, and american bullshit.
Not impressed with you evil American bastards
The Aussies aren’t like that.
The Australians have never attacked us, and they have a good sense of humour.
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 31 2022 23:09 utc | 313

Grieved | Oct 31 2022 22:31 utc | 310
That may well be correct on long warfare but I’m not sure Sun Tzu envisaged total destruction of the world via nuclear weapons at that point in time. My feeling is the Ukraine conflict will continue until the anglo saxons are defeated without resorting to nuclear means.
US is now turning towards China. he Brits may prevent that with some provocations, but if the Yanks manage to kick off the war with China then the end will only come sooner. Economic collapse and civil unrest is the only way I can see to ending this without going nuclear. Europe back to its foundations of wars amongst themselves and US in a recreational civil war. The main issue with a civil war in the US is the sides resorting to nukes, but whatever, the rest of the world would most likely survive that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2022 23:11 utc | 314

psychohistorian | Oct 31 2022 22:43 utc | 311
Looks to a typo or something there. 6 meteres long 500 tons… 500 kilos

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2022 23:29 utc | 315

I would be delighted to donate to B, but it has not proved possible, except via paypal which I do not have.
Any suggestions welcome. I have no contacts in Europe to help other that someone who i think has gone over to the dark side.

Posted by: watcher | Oct 31 2022 23:35 utc | 316

re: tonyopmoc | Oct 31 2022 23:09 utc | 313 and ‘mericans and travel.
I heard on the radio several years ago that only 30% of USians have a passport (but I would guess 100% of jews do) so overseas-travelling USians are a skewed demographic not representative of the population as a whole.
Their ruling political party (Dem or Repub) never gets more than about 25% of the possible vote (as about 50% of possible electors don’t vote).

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 31 2022 23:50 utc | 317

tonyopmoc | Oct 31 2022 23:09 utc | 313
Understand what we are. Not so much us the peasants but our elite. Here in oz our head of state is the democratically born hereditary monarch of England. We are still part of the British empire. I am anglo with a touch of northern island. All apart from one were shipped out here on emigration schemes for the poor. Offshoring poverty. The one had a liking for rich peoples horses.
Mark Twain’s anglo saxons. It was linked here a while ago but I don’t know if you read it. US is the black sheep of the anglo family. London and New York are or until recently been the two competing financial centers of the world. Pulling the US back into the anglo fold began with Cecil Rhodes. There may have been something before that time but he was a big driver of it and that was when it realy kicked off.
When Britain managed to detonate a hydrogen bomb, that vision was reached with an equal nuclear allegiance agreement.
Here in oz, all the wannabe elite want to be in those circles around the throne sniffing corgi poo. I have met some and they are not nice people.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2022 23:50 utc | 318

@ watcher | Oct 31 2022 23:35 utc | 316 who needs help contributing to b
Go to the “About This Site” link on the main page and send Bernhard an email asking him for his address where you can send him money.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2022 23:52 utc | 319

Willow #301
There’s more than glitch in the script.
There’s a goblin in the Cloud Fare thee well.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 31 2022 23:59 utc | 320

Can old hippies learn new tricks?
Oldhippie, when referring to a previous post can you please copy and paste the name and timestamp (and variable post number, if you wish) of the post. I appreciate your posts, but this suggested change will make the interaction clearer.

Posted by: tucenz | Nov 1 2022 0:01 utc | 321

Can old hippies learn new tricks?
Oldhippie, when referring to a previous post can you please copy and paste the name and timestamp (and variable post number, if you wish) of the post. I appreciate your posts, but this suggested change will make the interaction clearer.

Posted by: tucenz | Nov 1 2022 0:01 utc | 322

Thinking about something from previous comment. All this utter crap about democracy in the anglo west
“Here in oz our head of state is the democratically born hereditary monarch of England.”
To be democratic, every male in the empire would have to screw the monarch.
Australia has some domestic autonomy but no sovereignty. Though domestic autonomy is controlled by US media. What an utter fucking sham is this word democracy as it is used in the west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 0:03 utc | 323

Crookes’s latest is out at SCF, “They Rule Over Dysfunctional Ruin, but They Rule”. I must disagree with him in his timing of this group’s ascension to power, which Crooke puts at 2008, which IMO is several generations too late. The Outlaw US Empire’s Imperial policy Duopoly was firmly in place by 1948, and the switch from Industrial to Finance Capitalism began prior to 1913, and finally began to strangle the nation when Nixon went off gold. Europe has a different timeline, but it was never going to be allowed anything Leftist by its Master the Outlaw US Empire. And I must disagree with his analysis of the 2008 Fraud where nobody went to prison. It’s as if he’s forgotten about Alan Greenspan and his ever-growing financial bubbles that would burst then get reinflated after the damage was done to society without any repercussions.
Digging further, Crooke needs to go back even further in time to the heyday of D-Party Machine Politics in Chicago, New York and elsewhere in the 19th Century. Coming back to his position that 2008 was the pivot year, where did he think the Kleptocrats that ruined Russia and other nations came from in the last decades of the 20th Century?
Crooke is likely correct that all today’s Neoliberal Parasites are addicted to “free” money:
“The only question from market participants everywhere is when does the Fed pivot (back to ‘printing’) … when? They want their ‘fix’ and want it quickly.
“So many are ‘dependent’: The Biden Admin needs it; the EU is dependent on it; the Re-set requires printing. Green requires printing; support for the Ukrainian ‘Camelot’ requires printing. The Military Industrial Complex needs it, too. All need a free cash ‘fix’.”
Crooke sees the addiction as “psychological” which I vehemently disagree with. I was wondering why there was no al-Mayadeen essay yesterday; it likely didn’t work and got scrubbed. So, we’re subjected to a very poorly thought-out essay that just doesn’t work. Sorry Alastair.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324

Seems to me that Cloudflare IT was bought from a Korean $ store and staffed with Bolton like intellects.
Imo this experience releases a new word to displace ‘crapification’
To be ‘cloudflared’… :/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 1 2022 0:06 utc | 325

uncle tungsten | Nov 1 2022 0:06 utc | 325
b needs to change the blogs name to Amaq then problems will cease.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 0:15 utc | 326

“…Crooke sees the addiction as “psychological” which I vehemently disagree with…” karlof1@324
Thanks karl. Saves me posting the same thing. The psychopathology which puzzles him is directly related to the behaviour of food hoarders watching kids die of starvation while the value of their hoards increases. It’s about capitalism.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2022 0:17 utc | 327

karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324
I have found Crooke to be more philosophical than pragmatist. I don’t disparage him for that. You look at leaders like Putin and there are a number of them coming to the fore today and they have a rich understanding of history, culture, philosophy, but above all pragmatism.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 0:23 utc | 328

@322 You just referred to a previous post by old hippie without a post number or timestamp..

Posted by: dh | Nov 1 2022 0:30 utc | 329

Western leaders can be just dumb. They are. They didn’t get where they are by being smart (well read, thoughtful, etc) but by being born in the right place to the right people, making the right friends, being ruthless enough to get where they are, etc.
Hard times make strong people; strong people make good times; good times make weak (stupid) people; and weak people make hard times. The west is in the fourth clause. Russia is somewhere at the end of the first or in the second.
Western leaders are as dumb as they seem, though they think they’re brilliant. The rest of the world is walking on egg shells specifically because those leaders know that western leaders are as dumb as they seem. There is no grand plan or guiding intelligence. It’s dumb, greedy people who believe themselves entitled to the objects of their greed and are convinced they’re the smartest in any room. And now they’re starting to panic.

Posted by: Lex | Nov 1 2022 0:37 utc | 330

Realised the other day there’s no definition of what a ‘win’ for Ukraine is.
They won’t stop until they ‘win’. But what’s ‘win’ ?
Can’t be the mad comic’s removal of every last Russian from Ukraine – considering that includes 10 millions Russian Ukrainians. And so on.
Impasse. USA will not let ‘Russia’ win and there’s no way Ukraine can ‘win’ that sort of ‘win’ so what?
We need a public definition of what a ‘win’ IS for Ukraine.
How about this:
” A win for Ukraine is when Nationalist Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians both agree they wish to live in peace with each other. ”
I reckon that ought to work. As a slogan. As an idea. As a goal.
As a ‘catch all’. As an ‘umbrella term’. As something to work towards.
As a deflection from the mad comic’s insane ultimatum etc.
As a ‘win’ for Ukraine that wouldn’t be a loss for Russia. Or a loss for the USA. Let’s not talk about the UK. I think they are now beneath contempt.
Let’s have Ukraine WIN ! Get to where Ukrainian nationalists agree with Ukrainian Russians that they fundamentally want to live in peace.
And, consider: if we can’t get to there we can’t ever get an end, never mind a win.

Posted by: abrogard | Nov 1 2022 0:41 utc | 331

bevin | Nov 1 2022 0:17 utc | 327 ‘It’s about capitalism.’
I have watched long time friends and family changed with the 24/7 anti Russia anti China propaganda.
They religiously get their shots. US big pharma creates a dependency as it lowers natural resistance. The more boosters the lower the natural resistance. Medical 737 max is a massive scam, governments in bed with US big pharma. EU/Pfizer contract alone 36 billion. A massive transfer of wealth from the many to the few.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 0:41 utc | 332

karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324
I fail to understand why anyone would see any value in Crooke and the associated crowd of obsessive commentators (aka ‘çircle jerks’) often being quoted – bar killing some time and potentially being entertained occasionally. Is anyone ever really the wiser after reading one of these peoples fact free articles? I doubt it.
Regarding “…. disagree with him in his timing of this group’s ascension to power..”
Where is the proof there actually is such a definable group or that this “pseudo-group” actually holds the reigns of power to begin with? He’s making it up by the looks of it. Jumping at shadows on the wall, for having nothing else worth reporting on.
All these types of grandiose claims are, IMHO, nothing more than fictional Hollywood scripts not founded in any genuine reality nor based upon any credible evidence at all. Written by people with an obsessive compulsive belief in their own self-importance and insightful omniscience, milking their “alt-reputation” and the gullibility of readers who don’t know any better for all it’s worth.
It’s nothing more than repetitive verbose self-indulgence in my view. I don’t know why people bother with these people like Crooke. I find them less than useful and far from reliable or credible. But that is only my take, ymmv of course.
Lastly, rather than dismissing/disagreeing with the “psychological” aspect, I’d suggest the only thing worth considering in Crooke’s article actually was his referral to Sociopaths:
being Sociopathy refers to a pattern of antisocial behaviours and attitudes, including manipulation, deceit, aggression, and a lack of empathy for others that amounts to mental disorder. The defining characteristic of the sociopath is a profound lack of conscience – an amorality however, which may be hidden by an outwardly charming demeanour.
It drivers, it’s impacts and how to overcome it across society and nations is far from irrelevant today.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 0:45 utc | 333

There is a blog, I read nearly every day
It is different from any other blog I have yet become aware of.
The author’s name is Raúl Ilargi Meijer
His blog is called
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/
His blog is especially good today, and he didn’t write it, but he can most certainly paint it..with the best links worldwide
“A Tale of Three Narratives, Energy Edition”
I will go with most this – Narrative Number 2
” The Abundance Narrative
– There is plenty of energy but its availability is blocked by those who use energy scarcity to enhance their own power. The real cause of energy insecurity is under-investment in oil and gas. Climate policy is being used as an excuse to limit energy.
– Energy Cost of Energy is a myth rolled out when energy production is blocked. There are at least 47 years of oil in known reserves in the world and that doesn’t include the trillions of barrels of recoverable shale oil in the US alone. Oil was and is continuously produced by abiotic means in the earth. We will never run out of oil.
– We need to harness all possible sources of energy including oil, gas, hydro, wind, solar, thermal and tidal energy. Nuclear and fusion power are important parts of our energy solution.
– Technology will help solve our energy problems. “Clean” energy sources abound within humanity’s grasp. By 2100, we will have quantum reactors creating zero-point energy, air-wired to your car with TeraGigaHertz transmission, and matter synthesizers as well.
– By using all available sources of energy we have a bright future awaiting us.
Nice Man,
But just read it – and see what you think
He allows the writers whoever they are to promote different points of view
I have registered on his website, but I am not in the same class
I am not in the same league. I can’t write, paint or sing like that.
I just try to recognise and link to the best
No one can do that to me, cos I have never had a blog
I have massive respect for anyone who does.
They have to tolerate, or simply delete people like me, who maybe disagree with some of their points of view ..but totally believe in Free Speech as close as you can get
To miss quote Voltaire
Dites ce que vous voulez dire aussi gentiment que possible, avec un sourire sur votre visage, avant qu’ils essaient de vous tuer pour avoir dit la mauvaise chose
Our family really do have a new Grandaughter 4 weeks old in a world gone mad.
She will be fine. Her older brothers are doting on her
“We have got a New Baby Girl”
What do you want me to say, when she gets born into a world gone mad???
Can’t you just all calm down, and stop trying to kill each other.
What is wrong with you?
Did you never have a baby sister, or me a grand daughter?
Who do you want to kill next?
Or do you not even think about it – and do it for fun???
Please stop Killing Innocent People, like your Baby Sister.
How can you Do it?
I Don’t understand.
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Nov 1 2022 0:46 utc | 334

[238]
Russia doesn’t shoot down the Global Hawks because that would likely mean that the US / NATO would likely retaliate. Exactly how is unknown.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 1 2022 1:13 utc | 335

SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 0:45 utc | 333
From what I have seen, Crooke is not someone to denigrate. He adds a lot.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 1:16 utc | 336

[292]
Why do you think there is no air defense? The Ukrainians are certainly shooting down some percentage of the missiles. Just well short of 100%.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Nov 1 2022 1:17 utc | 337

abrogard | Nov 1 2022 0:41 utc | 331
Since 2014, Ukraine has been set up as a weapon to damage or destroy Russia. Like with a welder an electrode stub is discarded once it has been used, same with a soldier the empty shell case is discarded. In a business these type of thing that you consume in making products are called consumables. Machinery and so forth are not consumables. Machinery has a depreciation value as it wears and becomes old. Machines like lathes and milling machines use cutting tips. the cutting tips are consumables.
Ukraine and Taiwan are consumables. People are sheeple so they all die. Consumables.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 1:27 utc | 338

typepad update… the other threads are not working.. this one thread seems to still work..
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Posted by: james | Nov 1 2022 1:41 utc | 339

@ james | Nov 1 2022 1:41 utc | 339 with the Typepad/MoA update…thanks
This thread was hosed for a while so who knows what will happen before it is all cleaned up.
How much money spent on propaganda and web interference activities?
I studied the future 50+ years ago and continue to be saddened by how our society is organized/motivated because it doesn’t have to be that way. It is a choice made by some and forced upon others by Might-Makes-Right MICs. I hope its jackboot on our world ends soon.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 1 2022 1:59 utc | 340

thanks, b. relief to see the site again.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Nov 1 2022 2:07 utc | 341

congrats, tonyopmoc. give her a warm hug from me.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Nov 1 2022 2:11 utc | 342

@324 karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc – “Sorry Alistair.”
I had a similar reaction to his latest piece, but I don’t think we need to be sorry about it.
If there’s one thing we know about Crooke it’s that he keeps thinking. His essays don’t always fit into one article that has a start and a finish, all together. He spans his thinking – or musing, maybe – over many pieces, and riffs on his previous thought as well as the current thoughts of other commentators. And he mixes in the ancient very well.
And every once in a while he delivers a tour de force that fits it all together, with applicability directly to the present situation, whereby philosophical abstraction describes the present moment with supreme pragmatism, something we can base an existential position on.
And when that happens we are all generally speechless with gratitude.
You know all this, of course, every word. I just wanted to remind you.
Crooke is a man we read, and then wait and then keep reading, and hope we can remember where he was 3 or 6 weeks ago, when his punchline finally hits home.
~~
And hello, by the way 🙂

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 1 2022 2:11 utc | 343

Some harsh realities need to be faced by Islamic thinkers about Jihad for non- Muslim causes. The Salafists say that supporting Christian leaders will happen in times like they present. But there is nothing even remotely Christian about Bush, Biden, Obama , BoJo or Sunak.
Salafists admit that worldly interests , like marriage, land, weaponry, are part of the motivation for Jihad. And they see political advantages in participating in the filth of global politics both for themselves and for Islam.
But some Muslims are Right-leaning and admire USUKIS fascism, and others are Left-leaning and admire Pres. Xi and Putin.
We’re all entitled to our own political opinions.
The Great Satans of USUKIS and Soviet
Ottoman and Mughal Imperialism, would love to divide and rule the Muslims. But it is categorically not allowed in Islam to allow the great political satans of imperial greed, or the lesser personal satans of lust and greed, to divide the Ummah/ collective believers.
Nobody knows who is going to Heaven or Hell. It is fundamentally wrong to think, as Erdogan does, that his country’s interests as he sees them , are God’s Will.
Political Islam is an intellectual travesty. Peace and orospetityvatvanother people’s expense, I.e. Imperialism, can never be the goal of the Muslims

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 1 2022 2:11 utc | 344

“every once in a while he delivers a tour de force that fits it all together”
Then the rest of the meandering disjointed verbose thought-bubble conjectures didn’t need to be published or read?
Meaning: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/overrated
Just a thought about critical thinking, fwiw.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 2:22 utc | 345

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2022 23:50 utc | 318
Peter in Australia
I can only write from my own point of view and my own experience. Why should I believe anyone elses point of view in a world of madness.
I was 3 she was 2. My mum was a childminder (just like my wife is now with our now grandchildren)
Her name was Susan Speakman
My best friend was Bernard Witney…I also liked his slighltly older sister Stephanie…
We were just kids growing up in Oldham Lancashire. Their Dad had one of these of these 8mm movie cameras. My dad eventually got one, whilst my older brothers and sisters laughed at us baby kids – and we did too – on the film shows our parents put on in our homes after watch with mother…
And then all My Childhood Friends – were Gone
They all moved To Australia
And now I was the Kid Alone – sure with older brothers and sisters…
But all my best friends had gone to Australia….but I still love them
Bright kids.
No reason to come back to Oldham
But I still did OK.
In fact I am blessed, despite everything we have lost
I just love my wife, son and now 3 grandchildren so much…
In this life, you are bound to lose, some of the people you really love along the way. It’s normal. It happens to everyone if you are lucky enough to get as old as me..
I love Australians – Same sense of humour as me.
I prefer them to Scousers to be honest.
Almost no one in London, understands this sense of humour and love except our tribe -from Up North or Down South – The Other side of Our Planet
The Americans haven’t got a clue.
They can’t understand, why we prefer the Russians to them.
Maybe its because the Russians aren’t trying to f’ck us over
and we meet them far more often than we do Americans.
Who are a Disgrace to the Human Race.
Well except My American Rock Star Friend.
He is OK. but he lives in England not The USA.
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Nov 1 2022 2:25 utc | 346

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Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 2:34 utc | 347

“energy narratives – Since so few people understand the topic of energy (and thermodynamics)…..”
This is much better – https://read.realityblind.world/view/975731937/i/

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 2:40 utc | 348

@345 SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 2:22 utc
“fits it all together” indicates all the parts – all the rest that you would have us not read. Your logic is faulty.
Is there such a thing as over-critical thinking?
~~
Your take-down of Crooke’s writing at Nov 1 2022 0:45 utc | 333 was very poorly rendered, to my mind. Your first 4 words said everything of substance:

I fail to understand…

Some of us would stop at that point. But sometimes we meander on, don’t we, with the disjointed and the verbose?
So, you don’t understand the value of Crooke. I guess we get that now. No need to drive that point any deeper into the ground
~~
You are capable of better thought than that comment exhibited – I just read one, in fact, on another thread, a comment of yours I would support, and even interact with positively.
We can move on, and I look forward to more of your thoughts.
I don’t like arguing with people. It’s a worthless pursuit. I rarely do it, and I don’t completely understand why I did here – something about defending the unfairly maligned, perhaps. But I hope never to again.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 1 2022 2:44 utc | 349

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 1 2022 2:11 utc | 344
Sheikh Imran Hosein states in his eschatology that near the time of Al-Malhama Al-Kubra (“righteous” ?) Muslims will join with Rum to fight the forces of the Dajjal.
His claim is that Russia is Rum by way of Byzantium, being the inheritor of the Eastern Roman Orthodox Christianity.
The involvement of Chechen Muslim warriors, Iran, the Arab world on the side of Russia would seem to fit this prophecy perfectly (If Hossein’s interpretation of Sura tul Rum is to be believed) …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 1 2022 2:52 utc | 350

on narratives and stories: Neoliberals favorite tool

Our minds deal in stories. We remember stories far better than we
remember strings of unrelated information. Indeed, much of “thinking” is
the creation of coherent-seeming stories out of disparate sensory inputs and
information that flows from other people. Our own personal storylines are
important to us, and our cultural stories define the way we think about
ourselves in relation to others. Stories are in large part how we arrange the
world in our minds.
That is part of being human. However, our attraction and susceptibility to
stories means that we often latch onto explanatory stories which are
illusory, incomplete, and incorrect. This results in problems. As Mark
Twain is purported to have noted, it ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into
trouble; it’s the stuff you know for sure that just ain’t so.

https://read.realityblind.world/view/975731937/6/

or see https://www.energyandourfuture.org/
and also there’s Sophistry
In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are used disparagingly. A sophism, or sophistry, is a fallacious argument, especially one used deliberately to deceive. A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments.
(Typically/occasionally recognized as logical fallacies and/or propaganda, but more often not.)

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 2:53 utc | 351

lots of projection, but no mirror to see any of it.. my 2cs…

Posted by: james | Nov 1 2022 2:55 utc | 352

@Grieved | Nov 1 2022 2:44 utc | 349
It’s natural and normal that people see things differently, have different personal yardsticks as to what is valuable, useful or worthwhile. It’s just the way it is. No need to take it personally nor as an affront. I have several reasons for what I say about Crooke behind the few words I shared. This isn’t my first rodeo.
That you disagree and like/appreciate Crooke more than I doesn’t upset me in the least. Why should it? Great if you do, and great if you don’t. Agree with my pov or don’t. It doesn’t matter either way.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 3:07 utc | 353

Cloudflare is a Californian based company.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 2:34 utc | 347
Ah “performance and security” nice euphemism for monitoring and control of citizens.
Cloudflare is ubiquitous in Australia of course being good little minions of Empire. Lots of providers already block certain websites on behalf of government and big business.

Posted by: K | Nov 1 2022 3:10 utc | 354

Is there really any difference between saying to my mind instead of saying I fail to understand…; or even imho or in my view, or perhaps it seems to me?
Only personal tastes, isn’t it? Anyway, doesn’t matter. No big deal.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 3:11 utc | 355

In response to

Cloudflare is a Californian based company.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 2:34 utc | 347
Ah “performance and security” nice euphemism for monitoring and control of citizens.
Cloudflare is ubiquitous in Australia of course being good little minions of Empire. Lots of providers already block certain websites on behalf of government and big business.
Posted by: K | Nov 1 2022 3:10 utc | 354

If the RoW was not in the process of standing up to this jackboot sort of control I would be more worried. I would like the control shit for profit to end sooner but am hopeful now, where for many years, there was not much hope.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 1 2022 3:20 utc | 356

Cloudfare is almost certainly plugged into the security/intel services and deep state like all BigTech. Trust them at your peril.
Typepad looks and behaves like a geeky high school project.

Posted by: yoko | Nov 1 2022 3:21 utc | 357

Crooke sees the addiction as “psychological” which I vehemently disagree with. I was wondering why there was no al-Mayadeen essay yesterday; it likely didn’t work and got scrubbed. So, we’re subjected to a very poorly thought-out essay that just doesn’t work. Sorry Alastair.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324

I will go a step further and suggest that Crooke did not write this piece. Perhaps he took the weekend off and allowed a researcher or intern to “mail it in” for him.
Back in my youth (before the internet) when I used to write reports for others, the rule was to attempt to mimic the bosses writing style. Whoever wrote this failed that basic requirement.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Nov 1 2022 3:25 utc | 358

tonyopmoc | Nov 1 2022 2:25 utc | 346
Our children and grandchildren are everything. It it why I keep going. But the friggin Russians are taking their time. Time I do not have.
But the corruption in those circles about the monarch, no matter UK or Australia – The people are just tools to be used.
Do a lot of reading on the rise ad fall of empires, the rise and fall of civilizations.
The world i developing centers of commercial interest. China and Russia arew now added to the US which is why us asnglos are going to war with the world.
Here in Australia our man trade partners are in the sia pacific to our north. none are any military or political threat. Yet we are tied in with the English monarch and to the US by five-eyes/ECHELON. We are nothing more than an autonomous region of the anglo empire and a forward military base for its war against China.
We live in lands of suposed rule of law. We ive in the lands of the rules based order. You may not know whsat that means but Assuage is a public example. I have had a visit from the rules based order.
Once you have had a visit, you begin to understand our anglo saxon world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 3:34 utc | 359

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324
“Digging further, Crooke needs to go back even further in time to the heyday of D-Party Machine Politics in Chicago, New York and elsewhere in the 19th Century. Coming back to his position that 2008 was the pivot year, where did he think the Kleptocrats that ruined Russia and other nations came from in the last decades of the 20th Century?”
This is one of the reasons I love this site.
I don’t agree with karlof1 on ideological issues, but he gets the “big picture”. The fact that Ron Paul, Kucinich, Gabbard, Luongo, Greenwald, Tracey, Carlson, McGregor, etc.- are all portrayed as “far left” or “far right” by the media- is proof that Crony Capitalofascism is the order of the day.

Posted by: RDF2 | Nov 1 2022 3:39 utc | 360

Regarding the “Art of War” and the need to conclude a war quickly, I don’t think the RF is yet at war. Most assuredly soon, but not yet. I also believe that once it starts it will be over quickly. And yes, I too believe Putin is very familiar with the “ Art of War.”

Posted by: Paxdomini | Nov 1 2022 3:44 utc | 361

Bevin
“… food hoarders watching kids die of starvation while the value of their hoards increases. It’s about capitalism.”
These kind of comments make me think you are simple minded.
In a normal situation the hoarding of resources is uneconomical. Keeping some food and silver coins is rational in a stable society, but essential in one going “off the rails”.
A capitalist doesn’t hoard-he LOANS to others at a variable rate of interest to protect his own future. If money was stable then the interest rates would be negligible because expansion of production would outpace interest. When the government can print money it creates uncertainty and destroys production.

Posted by: RDF2 | Nov 1 2022 3:47 utc | 362

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 31 2022 22:31 utc | 310
That is a keeper – thx! (and there have quite a few of late by many) keep up the thought- provoking comments people! Thx b – what an oasis!

Posted by: xLemming | Nov 1 2022 3:49 utc | 363

StainesG ( Oct 31 2022 20:18 utc | 290 ): you’re almost certain to be right to a significant degree but it’s not a full explanation and only part of the mechanics at play.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2022 3:51 utc | 364

@ Arch bungle 350
Thanks for your reply. As you know Salafists have long connected USUKIS Protestantism with jihad ( yes IS because Cromwell and the Dutch got Jewish bankers involved both religiously and economically in the Protestant project and a lot of Roman Catholic idolatry and Church taxation was abolished because of Jewish monotheism.) .
My sister is now Greek Orthodox and tells me that how much cleaner British Christianity was before this country chose Rome. A lot of idolatry may hay taken over since then.
Obama’s Islamic State Takfirismnhas got to be the worst of all possible religious toxins. While Pagan Nazism in Ukraine is an even greater disgrace on Obama and Biden than Daesh. Where do they get this Biblical hang drawn and quartering ideofloggeries
from? Frankenstein?
All Saints day today also my birthday.
Thanks for drawing my attention to this religious opinion about Russam Orthodoxy and Islam. It doesn’t help Pres . Putin if Imam Kadyrov gives the impression that his aim is territorial conquest of Ukraine. Even if that is one logical way to eradicate Nazism.
The country has to be protected from US Satanism and British Great Game rivalry with its European brother/ sister, Russia.
Then the normal.people can choose their own affiliations. Can it really be the likes if Soros causing all this destruction and ignorance/ jahiliah?
In which case the Jihad needs to be directed at him, not Ukraine.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 1 2022 3:59 utc | 365

Perhaps I am speaking to soon but Russian missiles appears to have deleted the troll factories.
Comments have once again have become readable and worthy of thought.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2022 4:06 utc | 366

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324
Thanks for linking to Alistaire Crooke’s article, karlof1. I wouldn’t disagree with your points, and I don’t think Mr. Crooke would either, but reading his essay I do think he focusses in important ways on 2008 — you might say that 2008 was when all the chickens should have come home to roost … but they didn’t. Three important paragraphs of the essay [my bolds]:
“…
This intermediary class didn’t set out to dominate politics (they say); It just happened. Initially, the aim was to foster progressive values. But instead, these professional technocrats, who both had accreted considerable wealth and were tightly congregated into cliques in America’s large metro areas, came to dominate left-wing parties around the world that formerly were vehicles for the working class.
Those who coveted membership in this new ‘aristocracy’ cultivated their image as one of cosmopolitan, fast-moving money, glamour, fashion, and popular culture – multiculturalism suited them to perfection. Painting themselves as the political conscience of the whole of society (if not the world), the reality was that their Zeitgeist reflected primarily the whims, prejudices and increasingly psychopathies of one segment of liberal society.
Into this milieu arrived two defining events: In 2008, Ben Bernanke, Chair of the Federal Reserve, gathered together in the aftermath of the Global Financial Crisis, a room-full of the wealthiest oligarchs, ‘locking them in’ until they found the solution to the unfolding systemic bank failure…”

I’ve just read and re-read a novel by Emily St.John Mandel entitled “The Glass Hotel” which describes investors caught up in a Ponzi scheme in the time period of Crooke’s essay. In the novel the ponzi perpetrator is arrested and given 121 year sentence. Not any of those oligarchs other than Bernie Madoff, not the bankers, not the sleazy stockmarket players (save one) got punished. 2008 is a new bench mark precisely because of this fact. And the question now is: what is an investor to make of this brand new world?
Crooke’s title for the essay, like a mene mene tekel spells it out – “They rule over dysfunctional ruin — but they rule.”
The chickens are coming home.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 1 2022 4:07 utc | 367

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Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 4:09 utc | 368

Sorry, in my post at 367, the sentence was 170 years. And thanks b, for all your labors making it possible for me to attempt the above Crooke commendation. Apologies that it is OT here, but I understand the other sites are still being worked on. We’ll be patient; get some well deserved rest.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 1 2022 4:13 utc | 369

I know what it is like trying to find a 50 pence coin to put in a gas meter, both from my point of view, and my daughter’s when it all goes to shit, as I expect it will do again…
They always take it out on the poor first, then the old and the disabled
They always try and take it out on me, and my relationships, whenI have got nowt.
The rich have had some success trying to freeze us to death, and might yet succeed in killing us all
Which is why we need to fight back….
But how do you do it, when you have almost no money even for food or heating…
When there is no shortage of energy..and yet these Malthusian Lunatics -painted Green and Red, are trying to kill us all..
Its all very well saying turn your heating up..clean out all the shit out up out of your gas fire cos even if you get it working – the carbon monoxide will likely kill you and your two young kids…when you lose your job, and have got nowt, except the love of the preetiest little girl with two kids in the poorest part of Buttershaw…Oh come on Tone..what are we going to do?
Some of the happiest times in my life, was when I was on the dole, and absolutely sweet fuck all
Cuddling up to keep warm with the most beautiful girlfriend .
“We don’t need much of anything”
Try doing it for real – and you probably will, if you get that lucky.
If you survive, you will want to fight back.
Being cold and poor especially with young kids is not nice.
Turn it up.
There is no shortage of gas in Europe..
There is a fleet of LNG tankers just lined up waiting for the price to go up.
There is no shortage of energy..It’s just The Globalists trying to kill you and your kids.
COMPLAIN
RESIST…
exactly what is the current price of gas???, compared to your gas bill?
Scream at The Government- nah don’t bother
Just turn your heating on when it gets cold.
You do not want your house to get cold and wet
The mould will grow all over your walls…
The air will not be safe to breath.
Turn it up
Keep your home warm, and eat baked beans from the charity shop….
Do everything you can do – to keep alive
You know you are the best
Might be a bit poor
Fight to stay alive
Keep your home and kids warm
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Nov 1 2022 4:16 utc | 370

@322 You just referred to a previous post by old hippie without a post number or timestamp..
Posted by: dh | Nov 1 2022 0:30 utc | 329

It didn’t matter because, my comment about the timestamp applies to all his comments where he references another moa commentor!

Posted by: tucenz | Nov 1 2022 4:45 utc | 371

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Nov 1 2022 4:16 utc | 370
I won’t be a dick. You sound sincere. But the style is very off-putting for a forum of this nature. God (in any western sense something I don’t believe in) forbid, don’t go to the awful social media like Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, but seriously that kind of post really belongs in a different setting. Sorry if I come off bad there because I empathize with your sentiments.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 1 2022 4:58 utc | 372

We need to stop thinking we “know” what will happen and acknowledge it is only what we “think” will happen. It doesn’t matter if you are an expert or not.
You and I have different beliefs, different life experiences, different languages, and different social and cultural backgrounds. We think differently and as a result we will often behave differently. We are all unique. We are not bricks.
“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble.
It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”
– Mark Twain
Mark Twain’s quote is alluding to a tendency to believe that what we think is fact, when unfortunately it’s just opinion, and as an opinion it may not be correct.
When we act based on a belief something is fact and it turns out to not only be opinion but wrong, this is when things can often go spectacularly wrong.
That being so it is never-the-less natural to form our own opinions about everything, people and life. And try to remember not to hold to them too tightly. What we thought was right yesterday can very quickly turn out to be totally wrong tomorrow.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 5:06 utc | 373

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 1 2022 4:58 utc | 372
I acknowledge, the fact that, I cant write as well as you, especially when I am drunk and maybe a bit stoned…but I do not lie..and I am not completely up my own areshole, unlike you
“But the style is very off-putting”
Try taking me on in a Corporate Meeting when we are both totally sober and in fine form.
UK vs USA
I would eat you for Breakfast, and you wouldn’t know
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Nov 1 2022 5:24 utc | 374

From ZH there is the posting title

“Dangerous Escalation”: US To Deploy Six Nuclear-Capable B-52 Bombers To Australia

The take away quote

The Australian broadcaster’s current affairs show, Four Corners, revealed the US documents detailing up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers were set for deployment at the Tindal air base, south of Darwin in Australia’s Northern Territory. The airbase would also receive $100 million in upgrades for the maintenance and parking areas for the bombers, expected to be finished by 2026.

The bullying of China heats up

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 1 2022 5:42 utc | 375

SeanAU wrote:

“We need to stop thinking we “know” what will happen and acknowledge it is only what we “think” will happen.”

Yes although many here (me as well) take this for granted as a common shared assumption but maybe we all could be better at pointing it out from time to time to avoid misunderstandings.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2022 5:44 utc | 376

Below is another ZH posting title

FBI Asks Court For 66 Years To Release Seth Rich Laptop Information

They have a disc with the information but want to be able to print out the pages on the disc and release redacted versions of them at 500 pages/month for 66+ years
Would you buy a used car from these folks?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 1 2022 5:49 utc | 377

re karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 0:04 utc | 324
I clicked the link before reading any more of yer post, about 30% thru I was thinking Karlof1 recommended this?
Crooke has been a lttle troubling on a coupla other instances but that latest post of his is unsubstantiated/able polemic. In other words total tosh.
If Crooke cannot grasp that the support for seemingly leftist causes by oligarchs and their enablers is a vital part of their divide and rule strategy then he is confessing to being unable to comprehend the strategy which elites use to maintain control since I dunno, about the year dot I reckon.
It’s no secret that I remain skeptical of joint endeavours because in the past similar such efforts haven’t boded well for lefty participants we shall see what the future means for ‘the left’.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 1 2022 5:51 utc | 378

An earlier poster’s comment about Christianity makes me think.
Many in the west believe it was the Soviet Union that started the Cold War by erecting the Iron Curtain. In fact it was the opposite.
This misconception is the daughter of an older misconception, namely: It was the Eastern Church that initiated the schism by breaking away from the west (‘parent’).
Interesting to see how the superstitions are passed down almost intact through centuries. There is also a clear parallel between Crusaders and Nazis.

Posted by: Browser | Nov 1 2022 5:58 utc | 379

Ukraine’s position at the moment is that they won’t negotiate until Russia is driven from 2013-border Ukraine. So a win for Ukraine includes that, plus reparations. They may be willing to give up NATO membership.

Posted by: Simon | Nov 1 2022 6:14 utc | 380

Crooke but that latest post of his is unsubstantiated/able polemic. In other words total tosh.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 1 2022 5:51 utc | 378
I agree, but imho, it’s not his only one – eg https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/borrells-exculpatory-plea:-so-many-black-swans—-how-could
Today’s modern Neoliberalism (by any other name is still neo-liberalism) is what it is and the methods they use and the social, political, economic, media, and financial elements and instruments they manipulate are extensive. And by default it’s Psychologically Sociopathic at times bordering into Psychopathic.
In the meantime, beware and vigilant of self-appointed “experts”.
fwiw Alexander Dugin is much easier to understand and follow, and he’s also more accurate about the issues in todays weird ‘reality.’ Though he can go off the rails, a bit extreme over ‘evil/satan and god/religion’ etc. (but that is the cultural background / world in which he was born into so it naturally comes through in his language. Happens to all of us to some degree.)

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 6:56 utc | 381

Crooke ” … but that latest post of his is unsubstantiated/able polemic. In other words total tosh.”
Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 1 2022 5:51 utc | 378
I agree, but imho, it’s not his only one –
Today’s modern Neoliberalism (by any other name is still neo-liberalism) is what it is and the methods they use and the social, political, economic, media, and financial elements and instruments they manipulate are extensive. And by default it’s Psychologically Sociopathic at times bordering into Psychopathic.
In the meantime, beware and vigilant of self-appointed “experts”. And people unable to answer quite reasonable questions.

Posted by: SeanAU | Nov 1 2022 7:00 utc | 382

… Hard times make strong people; strong people make good times; good times make weak (stupid) people; and weak people make hard times. …
Posted by: Lex | Nov 1 2022 0:37 utc | 330

Who says concision is a lost art =)

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 8:44 utc | 383

… “A source from the Ministry of the Armed Forces tells us that France is NOT going to send SAMP/T Mamba systems to #Ukraine. This rumor is unfounded.”
Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 31 2022 15:47 utc | 199

Fair enough but the the claim itself is quite plausible and this conflict has discounted official assertions and denials almost to zero.
SAMP/T is supposedly in Romania, presumably protecting NATO command & logistics, so rolling those systems into UA to protect Odessa now, or as part of a NaZo “peacekeeping” operation in the near future, would be a perfectly unsurprising escalation.
I am disinclined to take at face value the denials of those who seem mostly to reserve their efforts for allegations of which they fear the truth.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 9:05 utc | 384

Looks like site is repaired? Good, then let’s get on with the latest news just days before the mid terms and the Turkey Feast so beloved by dumb yanks.
It seems that the Turkey Shoot started early in the Ukraine for these dumb Yankee Turkeys who went to earn their 2,000 bloody bucks per day there, as ‘deniable’ mercenaries, but when they get mullered there is no hiding the fact of their deployment.
The retaliation for the pipelines, naval ships and of course actually manning of Weapons systems has picked up pace. There must suddenly be hundreds of casualties maybe thousands.
How to explain to the dumb yank voters how suddenly our boys are coming back in bags or blown up and in need of lifetime care?
“We have military observers there to check that the weapons we are supplying are there – they are not involved in any actual use of these weapons…”
Us Brits haven’t come clean about any of our casualties in a war we secretly declared ten years ago. But it’s expect the SBS/SAS will be recruiting heavily again …
The scumbags of our Establishment and Media really really want to be spanked.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 1 2022 11:04 utc | 385

… Maybe the Iranians are on it, you know the Russians and Chinese are. …
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 29 2022 23:47 utc | 113

(apologies if already posted, I haven’t read 100% of comments yet)
“Chinese military scientists simulated a nuclear blast in space to knock out satellite networks like Starlink”
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-scientists-simulate-space-nuclear-blast-to-take-out-satellites-2022-10

The simulation results suggest that a 10-megaton warhead — modestly powerful by today’s standards — could create a serious threat to satellites if it detonates at an altitude of 80km (50 miles).
The blast could turn air molecules into radioactive particles and produce a cloud with a shape similar to an upside down pear, said nuclear physicist Liu Li and his colleagues in a paper published in the peer-reviewed journal Nuclear Techniques on October 15.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 12:00 utc | 386

Posted by: Ocelote | Oct 29 2022 23:14 utc | 109
I’ve seen it on several sites now. It is a great help in preventing DDoS attacks, which I see as only a minor inconvenience in order to keep the bar open for longer trading hours.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 1 2022 12:08 utc | 387

313
Yes there are ‘ugly’ American but you are painting 300 some million people with the same brush which is ignorant, senseless and myopic.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 1 2022 12:19 utc | 388

The simulation results suggest that a 10-megaton warhead — modestly powerful by today’s standards — could create a serious threat to satellites if it detonates at an altitude of 80km (50 miles).
The blast could turn air molecules into radioactive particles and produce a cloud with a shape similar to an upside down pear, said nuclear physicist Liu Li and his colleagues in a paper published in the peer-reviewed journal Nuclear Techniques on October 15.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 1 2022 12:00 utc | 386
War in space is a stupid idea, there is nowhere to hide up there, and without plenty of reaction mass you can’t move fast either. (You can piss money away even faster up there, and there is already plenty of trash flying around.) It just takes so much less effort to blow other people up down here.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 1 2022 12:30 utc | 389

@371 “It didn’t matter because, my comment about the timestamp applies to all his comments where he references another moa commentor!”
Yes but old hippie isn’t the only one to do it. I agree it is annoying and as far as I’m concerned it makes forum conversation useless.

Posted by: dh | Nov 1 2022 14:09 utc | 390

I will repeat my OT post at 367 at the ‘not Ukraine’ thread b has indicated above is now working, and thanks to the many responders who disagree with me – do follow me over there and we can have a good discussion. I include also the erroneous schism comment at 379 here – I would love to discuss this with you, but in the proper place. Accordingly, you will find your comment replicated there eventually. I hope that pleases you.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 1 2022 15:31 utc | 391

Thanks for all the replies to my comment about Crooke’s latest. Primarily, I was very disappointed to the point of being angry at the many errors it contained. Note I didn’t argue his main point that we’re being ruled by a flock of dysfunctional pukes as that’s been proven again and again. My historian nature pushed me to investigate the very long history of the Era that’s now coming to an end, and Hudson’s research and revelations pushed that envelope back even further in time. I anticipate his new work will expose further roots to our current crisis/dilemma–how to oust the Creditors from control and relieve the Debtors’s onus.
Crooke’s essay was further aggravating thanks to the many great analytical works and discussions that emerged from the annual Valdai Club discussions that didn’t get anywhere near the coverage they merited in part due to Typepad’s malfunctions. None of us are perfect and we make mistakes. Over the years, Crooke’s been more right than wrong and has provided some excellent insights. This effort IMO was more incorrect than correct, but that won’t cause any of us to stop our own inquires as there’s a great deal happening on a daily basis aside from Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 16:00 utc | 392

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 1 2022 16:00 utc | 392
Thanks for returning here, karlof1. I am genuinely puzzled by your statement about many errors in the Crooke article. Could you be more specific? I thought, erroneously as it seems, that you were annoyed at his not going back far enough.
I’ve transferred my post to the last “week in review” thread as I wasn’t able to post it on the usual midweek open thread link b provided. Perhaps we could continue there? (There is a repeat of my first of three paragraphs by ElMagnostic at 202 of the current open thread, but when I attempted to post there I could not.)

Posted by: juliania | Nov 1 2022 17:01 utc | 393

My greatest nightmare.
I smelled this eventuality back in 2014.

Posted by: YourAverageJoe | Nov 2 2022 2:52 utc | 394

For an undersea operation, more likely British sailors than soldiers. But maybe the SBS.

Posted by: RoHa | Nov 2 2022 3:19 utc | 395