Behind The Iranian Riots
Over the last weeks there were some riots in Iran. At first there were protest about the falsely reported death of a young women, Mahsa Amini, who had suddenly collapsed (video) while waiting in a police station. She died a few days later. Mahsa Amini had previously had brain surgery and her collapse and death were related to that, not to police action.
The protests by mostly women, and supported by a well known U.S. government employee, were soon taken over by separatist groups who turned them into riots. This especially in the northwestern Kurdish border region and the southeastern Baloch region. These groups are know to have foreign support. Police stations were attacked, cars were set on fire and night riots set off. In total some 24 policemen and some 100 protesters died.
It is not the first time that such riots are happening in Iran. The 2007 riots were launched after peaceful protests against a petrol price increase and the 2017 riots after peaceful protests over general economic hardship. Each time the protests were taken over by foreign directed groups and ended in serious riots that caused some death. After a month or two the situations calmed down.
Something similar is happening now.
As usual the riots have 'western' media support, most notoriously from the New York Times. Here is a fine example:
‘It Was a Massacre’: How Security Forces Cracked Down in Southeastern Iran
A New York Times analysis of witness testimony and videos reveals a bloody scene that unfolded last month in Zahedan during Friday Prayer, with mats as stretchers and bodies piled in cars.
Some of the wounded tried to crawl away to escape the gunfire. Others bled to death on prayer mats as people tried to drag them to safety.But the snipers and officers kept pulling their triggers, firing bullet after bullet into men and young boys at a worship area where Friday Prayer had been underway.
That sounds as if the police were shooting at will and unprovoked. But some details strewn deeper throughout the story paint a very different picture. If one cuts out the propaganda trash about some video scenes and anonymous Iranian voices making unverifiable claims one can take a less obstructed look at the real situation:
The horrific scene unfolded on Sept. 30 in Zahedan, a city in southeastern Iran that is home to the ethnic Baluch minority, after a small group of worshipers emerged from the Great Mosalla prayer complex to confront security forces posted at a police station across the street.
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The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, an elite branch of the armed forces, has confirmed that its forces were present in Zahedan, and that six of its members were killed that day, including its regional intelligence chief, Col. Ali Mousavi, and officers from the feared Basij militia. They have denied firing on civilians.Witnesses said that a number of Iranian security officers were killed, but that they died later during street clashes.
The protesters chanted antigovernment slogans and threw rocks at the officers, prompting the security forces to fire indiscriminately into the crowd, according to witnesses. As the demonstrators scattered, the gunshots stalked their retreat back toward the complex, where thousands were still praying
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But according to the cleric and two other witnesses, a group of 10 to 15 young worshipers left the complex before prayers had concluded to gather outside the police station.A video verified by The Times shows some of the protesters throwing rocks at the police station, where security forces stood on the roof, as gunshots are heard. Witnesses said that some protesters hurled Molotov cocktails.
The forces responded with gunfire, witnesses said.
One video verified by The Times shows two men who appear to be in uniform standing alongside another man on the roof of the police station firing what seems to be a pump-action shotgun in the direction of the mosque.
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As the day went on, more civilians swarmed into the streets as they became aware of the violence taking place in the city.They were met with Persian-speaking security forces, in traditional Baluch clothing, who emerged from cars before firing on the protesters, some of whom fought back with Molotov cocktails and bullets, according to witnesses. Most of the clashes took place on a street near the Makki mosque where hundreds had gathered.
The riots in Zahedan were organized by some well resourced group, likely financed by this or that U.S. government program:
The day before the shootings in Zahedan, protesters began calling for a “broad uprising” in “all of the towns of Baluchestan,” as an act of “solidarity with Kurdistan and in protest of the rape of the Baluch girl,” according to a poster advertising the demonstrations. The Kurdistan region of Iran has also seen major protests in recent weeks and has been subject to attacks by government forces.
The alleged 'rape of the Baloch girl' is unconfirmed and likely just another false accusation.
To sum it up:
A group of well organized and armed provocateurs attacked policemen and tried to set a police station on fire. The police did not agree with that. It used pump-action shotguns with can be used with either birdshot or anti-riot ammunition. More people came. Some of them had guns.
Who actually shot the people and the IRGC men who died is unexplained. Who the alleged 'snipers' were is also unexplained. The Times presumes that they were police but provides no evidence for that conclusion. Like during the 2014 Maidan riots the snipers might have been provocateurs hired to shot at both sides, protesters and policemen.
Zahedan is near the at times unruly border with Pakistan. That is why IRGC and other security forces are stationed there.
I find this sentence somewhat funny:
They were met with Persian-speaking security forces, in traditional Baluch clothing, ...
Is this supposed to be sinister?
While Baloch people often speak Balochi, it is a local Iranian dialect. Persian (Farsi) is the official government language of Iran and taught in all schools. That some 'Persian-speaking' security forces were wearing the usual local civil clothing (loose long shirts without buttons) should not astonish anyone. Such undercover tactics are used all over the world.
Iran's Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian is not amused about being lectured by 'western' officials about police behavior during armed riots:
Iran’s Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian has underscored that Iran is the anchor of stability and security in the region and not the land of velvet or colorful coup, slamming foreign intervention by some Western countries in Iran.In a phone call with High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell, the Iranian foreign minister said that, “the death of the late Mahsa Amini is a painful for all of us,” however, he pointed out that this issue is just regarded as a pretext for (intervention of) some western authorities.
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“Peaceful demands are different from riots, murders, arson, and terrorist operations,” he pointed out.On the same topic, the Iranian FM also questioned “Who would believe that the death of a girl is so important to Westerners? If so, what did they do to the hundreds of thousands of martyrs and dead in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon? They wanted to start a sectarian war in Iran.”
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The Iranian FM said that for instance, in Zahedan, “there was no slogan or photo of Mahsa, and a known terrorist group tried to start a conflict between Shias and Sunnis, and they claimed responsibility for it. (The terrorist groups) did the same in part of Kurdistan, but the insight of Sunni scholars and people foiled their attempts.”
The riots have died down. The CIA will prepare the separatist groups it finances for another round to be launched when the next random reason for some peaceful protest can be found to hide in. Iran is by now well aware of this tactic and its security forces are trained to defend against such nonsense.
The Biden administration will use the Iranian police action against rioters to justify that it is breaking its election promise to reenter the nuclear deal with Iran. The U.S. will not be happy about the long term consequences of that failure.
Posted by b on October 15, 2022 at 16:51 UTC | Permalink
next page »thanks b...
it does indeed look like a rehash of the maiden riots in ukraine 2014....
i love this quote - "the Iranian FM also questioned “Who would believe that the death of a girl is so important to Westerners? If so, what did they do to the hundreds of thousands of martyrs and dead in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon? They wanted to start a sectarian war in Iran.” - exactly.... but it seems the nyt and etc. etc would have you believe in what a wonderful loving people the west are, when their actions speak in a completely different direction and motive..
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 17:12 utc | 2
Why does my country live up to the nickname Iran gave it? 😞
Posted by: Anon8888 | Oct 15 2022 17:18 utc | 3
The land of the free is once again in action. Very soon freedom and democracy will come to MBS and the Saudis. Just like Ghadaffy and Libya and practically everyone else that has been in the way of some red white and blue "freedom". And by the way I´m from Denmark, where the land of the free has destroyed all the maritime wild life around our beautiful island of Bornholm. Thanks' so very much! I guess I just need to get on the program and stick it to Putin then! The only good thing about all this BS is that the US unipolar world order is coming to an end, faster than anyone had expected.
Posted by: Hansen | Oct 15 2022 17:19 utc | 4
One of the oldest oposición groups is MEK. It has a bizzare history and has long been a favorite of US hedgemon types. It has fingers in pies in many places.
Posted by: c | Oct 15 2022 17:23 utc | 5
Since the “pussy riot” worked so well in Russia pulling down Putin and change the system, the out of touch American regime decided it’s time to try it in Iran. A country even religiously more orthodox then Russia. There can’t be more unifying subjects to unify Iranians ( specially religious Iranian ) then this two elements pulled by CIA this time. These two elements are Namous “honor of family” and “honor of country” it’s hard to believe majority of Iranians will approve removal of Hijab even I bet if Hijab was not mandatory in streets majority of Iranians females will be forced to wear hejab at their homes by their mother, father and brothers.
As for separatist is of something serious happens inform of riots in Kurdistan at the beginning of revolution or Iran Iraq war which Iraq occupied part of the south west I bet every Iranian will volunteer to go to war.
Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 17:28 utc | 6
dadooronron@1
As an atheist it is unclear what the nascent Trade Unions of Iran want of me? The last thing that they need is assistance from the United States, where Trade Unions barely exist, except as fund raisers for Biden et al and supporters of imperialism- who have been on the wrong side of struggles for democracy since Truman's day.
The reality is that to support these riots in Iran is to join with Washington in attempting to break up a burgeoning alliance against imperialism.
Unfortunately not all those involved in these protests against the government of Iran understand that they are part of a world wide CIA led offensive against national sovereignty and independence- without these there is no democracy. But many rioters understand exactly what they are aiming at and whose support they are relying on.
As to "authentic" "class based" discontent, it ceases to be either, when it becomes part of a campaign waged by the very people, in western intelligence, who brought Iran the Shah in the first place.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 15 2022 17:42 utc | 7
"The events in Iran have made the imperial powers of the West, particularly the US, as well as their allies in the Middle East, particularly Israel and Saudi Arabia, salivate at the prospect of a “regime change” in Iran and even disintegration of the country. Their media outlets—which hardly ever report the record number of Palestinians killed last year, or so far this year, by the apartheid Israeli regime—are in a state of frenzy when it comes to demonstrations in Iran and the number of individuals killed so far. Also drooling at the prospect of taking over the government in Iran, are the groups and individuals that the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia have for years groomed as possible candidates for restoration of the old order in Iran, such as the son of the former monarch, or the MEK cult that was once on the list of US terrorist groups. "Even some progressive individuals have taken positions that the “regime change” crowd has found instrumental. And this poses an important question. How should progressive elements, including those whose sentiment might have been exploited by the IR at some point, deal with the current situation in Iran?The above question is not an easy one to answer. It is a dilemma that many of us face. It is like walking a tightrope, a balancing act. It would be presumptuous of me to tell others what to do. But I have always been guided by the fact that there are no good guys in the battle between the IR and the imperial West, particularly the US, and their allies in the Middle East, particularly Israel and Saudi Arabia. The question is which one is worse, which one is more dangerous, which one has historically committed more atrocities in the world, and which one can do more damage to this world. Once you answer such questions, you can focus your attention on one without losing the sight of the other.
This article highlights the dilemma that faces progressives, how to defend a medieval regime against the great Satan https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/14/the-tragedy-of-the-islamic-republic-and-the-progressives-dilemma/
Posted by: Orage | Oct 15 2022 17:47 utc | 8
Just for the record, to date not a single Iranian member of government in any position, not a single member of Iranian military, police or security services have resigned or joins the foreign paid Iranian media in outside of Iran. No government organizations or government agency has closed due to strike.
It’s all fake perception to put pressure on Iran for JCPOA to bring it back and free Iranian oil. Will not happen without firm meaningful guarantees by US regime and her EU satrapies.
Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 17:47 utc | 9
Not yet mentioned is the increasingly solid ties between Iran, Russia, China. Seeing the situation moving further and further out of control the US moves the only levers it still has.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 15 2022 18:34 utc | 11
Just a couple of weeks ago in my Southwest American city a man was throwing rocks at passing cars and threw rocks at the police when they showed up. The police shot him dead.
Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 15 2022 18:39 utc | 12
One of the people inserted into the Iran protests is a US government employee, according to a Twitter post: https://twitter.com/RonPaulInstitut/status/1574131274817544192
So, I'm not surprised to see the US media beginning to pump a propaganda story line.
The US has every interest in overthrowing the government of Iran for a pro-western one. There is their oil, of course. But the US didn't get the "deal" that they wanted and Iran has been selling drones to Russia. Russia has been very successful with those "Geranimum" drones and have supposedly bought another Iranian drone that has a slightly larger warhead.
Posted by: Belle | Oct 15 2022 18:42 utc | 13
@dadooronron | Oct 15 2022 17:04 utc | 1
I believe you about the oil workers and the shah
However the jacobin and all other leftists even the most well informed and reasonable are all blind to the fact that the anglosaxon empire deposed the shah just like they deposed mossadegh some 26 years earlier.
And if the shah had followed the advice of his associates he could perhaps have stayed in power but he feared to unleash his forces just like Janukovich did in 2014. Obviously these foreignsponsored revolts are designed to produce evil outcomes so leaders hesitate.
The evil anglosaxon plotters exploit that to the maximum.
Since then the rivals of the empire have learned and are now much better at quelling it.
Since the empires motives for removing the shah are not far separated from their current agenda of crushing all competition, the leftists type of critique always along the left-right continuum blinds people from recognising what is going on and fails to identify all the important thing we, irrespective of ideology, have in common with the struggle for national independence and the right to trade and collaborate with anybody.
That was the Shah's aim: to collaborate with both east and west independent of whether the US approved of the Soviets getting more influence or not. His aim was also to develop nuclear power and at the time just before that was a part of a more general struggle by Europe the USSR and Japan together with OPEC to develop and industrialise the less developed countries and to use a new petro-currency to bring it about.
This is being covered up by all leftists. I know since I have been bringing it up repeatedly and am always met with complete silence. Earlier they doubted it but later they just didnt want to touch it. The fact that other than leftists also avoid it is more expected since they often back up the empires dirty manuevers.
And Mossadegh belonged to the landlord class while the shah distributed half a million lots of land to the poor forcefully bought out from large landowners. Who were on the enemy side against the shah.
The current Iranian leaders seem to me to be rather pragmatic and are now probably much closer in outlook to the shah than the original Muslim Brotherhood who ousted him. But some nuances of interest concerning the different positions within Iran have been displayed by the wellinformed Thierry Meyssan.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 15 2022 18:42 utc | 14
I'm happy to see the near unanimous support of this forum behind a worthy and just cause. /s
Posted by: Mike Adamson | Oct 15 2022 18:54 utc | 16
@14
“And Mossadegh belonged to the landlord class while the shah distributed half a million lots of land to the poor forcefully bought out from large landowners. “
You have no idea what the F* you are talking about. Mosadegh oil nationalization had nothing to do with landlords or land owners the only land he was fighting was the nationalizing of the oil in the land of Iran . Shah’s white revolution and land reform can ten years after mosadegh was ousted and it was plan by Kennedy Adminstration, the only lands that shah handed out before in late 50’s was that land his dad illegally confiscated in his own name when he was in power . Reza shah was famous in Iran that he live owning lands and if he saw a land he like for one reason or another will confiscate in name of the court. He became the larges land owner in Iran in span of 16 years after he became king by way of a British coup. Don’t write BS about Iran here.
Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 19:03 utc | 17
Orage. #8
To me their is no difficulty in this Iran, Afghanistan, and all the Islamic countries need to find their own way period! That is the only way. Americans are unbelievable clueless to these countries and because of this the CIA leads liberals around by the nose. Do you remember babies in being thrown out of incubators? in Kuwait or the Burkas being forced on women in Afghanistan ? This is a game the CIA has played from it’s start. The US by its own governments record has used pentagon force in over 416 countries! Since 1991! Most of it is doing this kind of garbage. The so called progressive who have not set foot out of their snug little homes to condemn the war on Russia via Ukraine instead they bring the little Nazis to Stanford as hero’s ! Where were the so progressives? The progressives only do things that make them feel good like pretending that democrats have any solution! When I tried to talk 350,org about the largest polluter in the world. THE PENTAGON. Nope no can do! The whole nato pretend to go green is a farce a farce that will kill us all! They care about climate change as long as they can bomb countries and steal their recourses and they can fly around in their private jets and fancy boats, all the while the toads are more concerned about pronouns then cops killing Black and native men, or the massive death forced by them of Ukrainians who are shot in the back if the try to surrender! The western progressives are bought and owned!
Posted by: Susan | Oct 15 2022 19:07 utc | 18
The most annoying part of this issue is how quickly the morally bankrupt EU always insert itself into the fracas on behalf of the USA and the anglo-Zionists. Last month the doddering President of Uganda, Yoweri Museveni, commenting on the European Parliament’s action says: "some of these people are insufferable. So shallow, so egocentric, so wrong. They think they know everything...”
Posted by: Steve | Oct 15 2022 19:13 utc | 19
“Iran is by now well aware of this tactic and its security forces are trained to defend against such nonsense.”
In my opinion this the most important part of b’ analysis on this set of riots. From what I have read and analyzed is very impressive to see this time how prospered informed and ready the Iranian security police was. First of all this time the planers had instigated a very organized combination of multiple forces and tools. Meaning the separatist in south east and north west attacked inside when a minority KURD girl died for a upper class social cause and caused riots by young majority male inside upper urban districts. Majority of civilian death is not by police but by the rioters or separatist. IRGC was not present in Urban centers but at borders against separatists. In urban centers riot police controlled the youngsters riot using non lethal weapons and ammunition.
Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 19:20 utc | 20
@ Belle | Oct 15 2022 18:42 utc | 13
thanks for that.. in fact, the lady in question seems very pivotal in the usa's imperialistic designs on iran...here is a link to the story on her, as told by the new yorker.. story is from sept 24th 2022.. i wonder how much the cia gives her? all the appropriate social media outlets are in tow..
The Exiled Dissident Fuelling the Hijab Protests in Iran
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 19:22 utc | 21
I have no doubt the usual suspects have hijacked existing protests to further their own ends but let’s not pretend the underlying grievances that led to the original protests were not valid.
How in this day and age can anyone justify male religious fanatics AKA the morality police going round arresting and beating women for not dressing correctly??????
Since the 1979 Iranian Islamic Revolution, Iranian law has required all women in Iran to wear hijabs that cover their head and neck, and conceal their hair.[3]In the 1980s, the Islamic Revolution Committees served the function of the Islamic religious police in Iran. In 2005, the Guidance Patrol became its successor organisation.[4][5] The Guidance Patrol reports to the Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.[6]
On 2013's Iranian Mother's Day, the patrols rewarded women with flowers for wearing chador (the preferred hijab style).[7]
According to Iran's Interior Minister, in a three-month period in 2014, 220,000 women were taken to police stations and signed statements there promising to wear hijabs, 19,000 were given hair-covering notices, and 9,000 were detained.[8] In 2014, the police additionally gave warnings and guidance to 3.6 million other Iranians who failed to follow the Islamic dress code.[9][10][11]
In 2015, in an eight-month period police in Tehran stopped 40,000 women driving in Tehran for not obeying Islamic rules of proper dress, and impounded the cars of most of them, generally for a week.[8] In 2016, Tehran used 7,000 undercover Guidance Patrol officers to catch violators of the Islamic dress code.[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guidance_Patrol
Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 19:22 utc | 22
@ Down South | Oct 15 2022 19:22 utc | 22
sure, but how about the woke police stating they are interested in freedom and democracy and all that bullshit, try fixing their own shit in their own backyard, as opposed to invading other countries? see @ Wilikins | Oct 15 2022 18:39 utc | 12 for an immediate example..
no one hears about it when it happens in the usa, because the usa is just so holy and righteous.. meanwhile the msm put iran in our faces 24-7 for all the wrong reasons.. it has nothing to do with wanting greater freedom and everything to do with breaking up and raping other countries.. that is the sad truth.. they will use any excuse to do it too... in this instance - religious fanaticism is worth invading another country over...
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 19:36 utc | 23
I have news for you. Shotguns loaded with bird shot can be very lethal within a range of about a city block. Buckshot can be lethal at a range of a quarter mile.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Oct 15 2022 19:56 utc | 24
About those foreign directed Balochi groups.
Can anyone here fill us in on the situation in Pakistan? Has there been a change of relations with Iran since last April? Any effect on the militant groups?
Posted by: robin | Oct 15 2022 19:56 utc | 25
Down south
How about we clean up our own shit before we think we are so superior as to clean up others! England and the US have left a swath of devastation across the world including in our own countries!
It is so much easier to scream about Iran whom we have heard massive propaganda about ever since the shaw was ousted. We get the same crap about Russia my whole life and now we hero worship Nazis!
For. All the crap I have heard about Iran I have never met an Iranian or anyone who has gone to Iran that talks about how horrid it is and how women are so oppressed.
I have seen with my own eyes the massive # of homeless living on the streets in our parks most have mental heath issues but have no way to get care or housing! I have watched as young men take their guns and mow people down across the country. I have seen how native women disappear at an alarming rate. How black men are a target by police and are used as slave labor in our prison system. These would be the same Black americans we dragged from their homelands and made into slaves who’s families we continually ripped apart; and to this day they struggle to find their way back to wholeness. The same is true with native peoples who we genocided then took their children away to be abused until very recently. We still takel their land, poison their land and rape and kill their people and you want to talk about Iran? We westerners have a hell of a lot of cleaning up to do before we have any right to talk about anyone in Iran Russia Afghanistan Iraq Syria China Vietnam etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Susan | Oct 15 2022 20:03 utc | 26
I live in Tehran,there is nothing else but riots, i participated in 2019 to the protests against the price of gas that had tripled suddenly, anyone would have i think
This is the same scenario currently, people at the start are protesting peacefully and legitimately, protests are allowed here and for any reasons, no one will shoot at you for protesting. So quickly some people that we never saw in the neighborhood infiltrates the protests and picks up young people, learning them how to make fire cocktails and pipe bombs, they tell them that its going to be fun and exciting, then the protests very quickly turns into a riot, at this point every "legit" protesters came back to home because they are aware of these people
They are nearly all affiliated with the Mujahideen E khalq MEK group (the one that was listed as terrorist in the US and delisted by Obama then became friends to work together
Add to that medias like Iran International (funded by Saudi Arabia), VoA, BBC Persian massive campaign of inciting people to "revolt" and telling them that this is the opportunity and you have this result, people dying for nothing, that Iran International one is the most vicious one, they made photoshop fake images of the wrestler that got death penalty, they pasted his face on another Iranian olympic champion, this was ridiculously done, they are currentoy doing the same with the hijab story
Some popular photos you can see on twitter are clearly made to make people sensible, for example the image of the schoolgirls doing a middle finger sign to a poster of Khamenei, it got close as 50000 likes on twitter, but the problem is that... There is no usage of the middle finger sign in Iran, it means nothing to people that doesn't know and i've never seen anyone do that here, i just conclude that someone asked the schoolgirls to do that sign even they probably dont know themselves what it means, to target people living in the west who knows the meaning of a middle finger
This upteenth "revolution" is one of the most obvious i think
Also there are like 90% of men in the riots
Posted by: Amir | Oct 15 2022 20:05 utc | 27
@Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 19:03 utc | 17
I dont like your tone, but Mossadegh belonging to the landlord class has nothing to do with his nationalisation of oil we agree about that and I never said anything like that.
You jumped to conclusions.
But he belonged to that class and it took until the shah did it to unleash those landlots.
It probably never occurred to Mossadegh, feeling comfortable in his place in the class pyramide.
You know the anglosaxon aristocratic socialists belonged to the same elites who caused the world wars and spread communism.
And fascism for that matter.
They had no intention to leave the power to the masses.
The communist or fascist shepards were to control the masses for the coming world government under aristocratic control.
Whether that idea was realistic or not is a different matter.
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But to nationalise material resources doesnt have any implication on any particular ideology and the shah in turn was actually chocked to find out what enormous percentages the shameless anglosaxons hade acquired in the deals made.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 15 2022 20:09 utc | 28
" Just a couple of weeks ago in my Southwest American city a man was throwing rocks at passing cars and threw rocks at the police when they showed up. The police shot him dead.
Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 15 2022 18:39 utc | 12 "
What else should they have done ? Throwing rocks at a moving vehicle could kill the driver. The moron deserved to die.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 15 2022 20:11 utc | 29
The big question, however, is why cant Iran, Russia, China or others organize these types of protests in the ZioWest ? There are plenty of possible insurgencies that can spout up if funded and armed by outside sources.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 15 2022 20:14 utc | 30
Down South @ 22:
Kooshy and other Iranian readers can correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that the morality police who check women's clothing in public are usually women specifically employed to do this job. They are not male religious fanatics.
It is also a given that Color Revolution protests hijack genuine protests over real grievances such as rises in food or energy prices. This happens in other countries too (in Syria in 2011, in Armenia in 2015 and in Hong Kong in 2019, to name a few famous examples), not only in Iran. The Iranian govt has known this for a long time, that is how it was able to anticipate past Color Revolution attempts and quell them in recent years.
Also if you have reading MoA's articles carefully, Mahsa Amini died from a heart attack caused by hypoxia, due in part to past brain surgery to remove a tumour. The hijab issue is completely irrelevant but was brought in to create a "story" for the Western public to fall for.
Posted by: Jen | Oct 15 2022 20:17 utc | 31
Couldn't this be an organic protest exploited by the CIA? Just as Mohammed Bouazizi wasn't told by anyone to set himself on fire in Tunisia but gave rise to the CIA-steered Arab Spring anyway.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 15 2022 20:20 utc | 32
the current government system in IRAN came into being when we helped overthrow the Shah and brought the Ayatollahs into power; does the US every get regime change right? leave it alone!
Posted by: seenitbefore | Oct 15 2022 20:20 utc | 33
Deplorable Commissar @ 30:
The likes of China, Iran, Russia and other targeted nations have better things to do with their time, money and security people than waste them in deplorable actions such as you advocate.
The fact that China et al are wise to Color Revolution actions against them illustrates that these actions are ultimately a failure. The question you should be asking is why the US keeps persisting in using the same old Color Revolution regime-change formula again and again and again even though the target nations recognise it and nullify it.
Posted by: Jen | Oct 15 2022 20:26 utc | 34
If Israelis can kill Iranian nuclear scientists in Iran with undercover ops, you betchurass that the CIA can place saboteurs in there too.
Posted by: Handsome Man | Oct 15 2022 20:29 utc | 35
Posted by: Susan | Oct 15 2022 20:03 utc | 26
All of that does not precludes from supporting women oppose something you would not yourself tolerate.
The underlying protests ,even though they have been hijacked by foreign actors, are quite valid.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 20:33 utc | 36
Elmer Fudd @ 24
Dick Cheney's hunting partner disagree's with your assessment.
Posted by: FormerMilitary | Oct 15 2022 20:44 utc | 37
Turkey also seems to be getting punished. Skyscraper on fire (bet it won't collapse "neatly" like the trade centers, though).
It was expected, CIA provides chaos everywhere in effort to stop non-controlled trade pacts and alliances. They still de-facto own the Kurds in NE Syria, they are using them to stir things north, east, and west.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2022 20:53 utc | 38
" The question you should be asking is why the US keeps persisting in using the same old Color Revolution regime-change formula again and again and again even though the target nations recognise it and nullify it.
Posted by: Jen | Oct 15 2022 20:26 utc | 34 "
Simple, because obviously it works. Additionally, these events are geo-politics at the highest levels not a morality contest. If Russia, China, and Iran arent doing the obvious, most money effective thing to tie down the ZioWest in its own backyards yards is because they fear the blow back. Whats more logical ? Standing up to the west militarily, like Russia is doing, and risk WW3 or back an armed insurgency in the US southwest for instance . The ZioWest does this openly everyday.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 15 2022 20:53 utc | 39
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Oct 15 2022 20:53 utc | 39
The best bet to put some pain in the US is exploit their absolutely uncontrolled situation with flow of migrants from Latin America. Just have to be a little creative here but imagination is the limit.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2022 20:57 utc | 40
I’m not very conversant with Iranian politics, are there any antagonisms between the Shia Azeri’s and the state?
Given Azerbaijan’s bellicose behaviour I’m wondering what are the chances of pan Turkism being a thing within Iran’s borders?
Given the West’s proclivities at using minorities as Trojan horses, what is the state of Iran’s Azeri population?
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Oct 15 2022 21:02 utc | 41
Jen | Oct 15 2022 20:26 utc | 34
I do not consider the fact that China et al are wise to Color Revolution actions against them to be a reliable guide in illustrating that these actions are ultimately a failure.
Posted by: Moabserver | Oct 15 2022 21:07 utc | 42
I worked in Iran for several years in the 90's.
Several observations of how life there was then. Perhaps out of date, but hopefully Iranian readers can update.
Iranians about as Islamic as French and Italians are Catholic. Mosques largely empty on Fridays.
Chador obligatory for women. Yeah, right! Middle and upper class Tehrani girls and women practically NEVER wore a chador. Instead, coloured and patterned (silk) scarves on their heads, similar to how Catholic women wore them decades ago when out and about when head coverings were obligatory at Mass. Depending on the level of enforcement of "morality", the scarves would slip further and further back on the head.
The black thing women are supposed to wear over their clothes is called a "manteau" in Iran, yes, same as the French word for coat. Rarely worn by Tehrani women, instead they wore short coats with length to just above the knee.
Lots of old 70's classic cars, e.g. BMW 3.0CSi, on the streets. Easier to keep them going than import new cars.
Great people to work with.
Authorities very suspicious of foreigners. We were followed everywhere, but very unobstrusively. Everything we did was recorded. I was told my file was several inches thick!
Posted by: ltexpat | Oct 15 2022 21:11 utc | 43
@28
“And Mossadegh belonged to the landlord class while the shah distributed half a million lots of land to the poor forcefully bought out from large landowners. “
Is this your sentence , doesn’t this sound like the shah was for the poor and distrusting land to poor while Mossadegh was from a landlord class and ambiguously against land reform and poor? The truth is when Mossadegh was ousted by the CIA coup there was no discussion or land distribution and land reform, that happened 10 years later in Shah’s white revolution in 1960s it was planed by Kennedy’s Adminstration to boost shah’s popularity. Some think the land reform actually ruined Iran’s self sufficient agriculture since it divided the land to small parcels and not enough to support small farmers which resulted in farmers moving to urban areas.
Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 21:11 utc | 44
How in this day and age can anyone justify male religious fanatics AKA the morality police going round arresting and beating women for not dressing correctly??????Posted by: Down South | Oct 15 2022 19:22 utc | 22
What is the relevance of 'this day and age'? Has someone set a deadline for social evolution? Have they appointed you a monitor, as you tap your fingers impatiently at slow pupil Iran?
Have some appreciation of the culture which you are assessing - it has outlasted almost all others in human existence; it will certainly outlast the west and any fashionable ideas you consider paramount 'in this day and age'. If necessary it will change and evolve, at its own pace, as is the right of any sovereign country.
Posted by: Browser | Oct 15 2022 21:14 utc | 45
"those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable" JFK
Posted by: chuggaweinerbich | Oct 15 2022 21:17 utc | 46
Mossadegh was a friend of family, my father published his memoirs (written in jail after the coup) and wrote books and articles about his period (after the revolution in 80s). IMO he completely believed in then Iran’s constitution, he was a constitutional monarchist meaning shah has just act as a ceremonial head of state and not head of government. Brits, US and communist didn’t like that and as matter of fact didn’t trust him. All three were evolved and participated to oust him in coup. The reason unlike Ayatollah Khomini, it was easy to topple Mossadegh was because his popularity was in small educated urban population, Ayatollah Khomini’s popularity was massive so is the current leader.
Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 21:27 utc | 47
Susan
“CIA leads liberals around by the nose.”
Indeed, look no further than the nascent 20th century feminist movement, co-opted in its infancy by the CIA when they recruited Gloria Steinem in 1950, funded and promoting from behind the curtain her rise to international prominence as a leading symbol of the movement.
Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 15 2022 21:29 utc | 48
I'm happy to see the near unanimous support of this forum behind a worthy and just cause. /s
Posted by: Mike Adamson | Oct 15 2022 18:54 utc
Pleased to learn that Mike is not especially gullible. /s
Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 15 2022 21:32 utc | 49
Telegram channel of Friday prayers Imam of Zahidan. I listened to his entire sermon this Friday. Your whitewashing the Islamic Republic is not going to hold up!
https://t.me/s/molanaabdolhamid
You people are truly sickening. A nation of 80 million people has been held under a tyrannical state with a proven, factual, record of gross violence and killing Iranians with impunity.
And just for your information, mr. B, this very gang came to power under exactly the same kind of events, including breathless day by day reporting by BBC, including burning banks and stores, etc.
Currently the regime in Iran is in the process of a FALSE FLAG burning the Evin Prison, where all the important political prisoners are kept. People with integrity, B ... Regime will blame this on "rioters" who apparently decided to burn down their own comrades. (No doubt will have B's construction supporting that story.)
Bravo. You are on the side of tyranny.
Posted by: counter-propaganda | Oct 15 2022 21:34 utc | 50
Posted by: dadooronron | Oct 15 2022 17:04 utc | 1
Yes the wonderful strike action by the oil workers in Iran. Workers strikes always supported and celebrated in the capitalist media when they occur in the US imperialist resisting countries. Not so much in France. Or rail strikes in Britain. Or the strikes in Gdansk. No workers left. No ship yard working. The world revolution as reported by the WSWS. Wake up little Trotskyite and smell the counter revolution.
Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 15 2022 21:37 utc | 51
Oh poor old Iran, where genuine bone fide witch hunts are held to this day, extending even to former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's administration who found themselves accused of involvement with black magic in 2011. These misogynistic rednecks have finally pushed too far, and now the prophecy comes to pass - it's time for Islam to slither like a snake between the two mosques, (Sahih Muslim 146-147). In this case I rather suspect the usual suspects hijacking protests will be riding the coat tails.
Posted by: DueWest | Oct 15 2022 21:40 utc | 52
Since the US has pissed off every major oil producer in the world, any "deals" will and should be looked at with a jaundiced eye. When the devil comes a smilin'.....
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 15 2022 21:44 utc | 53
Posted by: counter-propaganda | Oct 15 2022 21:34 utc | 50
Compradors of US imperialism in Europe hate Muslims and people of 'middle eastern appearance' in their own countries. But put that combination together in Iran and they are fierce supporters of their 'human rights'. Australian compradors of US imperialism in Australia despise Asians and Muslims in Australia but put that combination together Xinjian and they become defenders of oppressed Muslim rights and will start a world war in their defense. Your moralistic double dealing is sickening. Its a colour that doesn't wash champ.
Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 15 2022 21:54 utc | 54
The American empire uses females because females generally lack critical thinking abilities and are all natural fifth columns. You'll notice that 90% of the extremely brainwashed in almost any situation are females. The other 10% are sexually undesirable males hoping to get in the pants of these 90% females by siding with their cause.
Posted by: FVK | Oct 15 2022 21:58 utc | 55
The thing is, Iran has something that the empire covets: resources. They have to get their dirty little paws every last bit of it. By hook, or by crook, as the saying goes.
If it’s not human rights, they pick on governance, banking, or some other bs [Scripals may appear in Iran] to satiate their greed for the said resources. Doesn’t matter to them that their actions, and word, cause other death and mayhem. Pile it on, till the state is no longer, then feast on the corpse like vultures that they truly are. Plunder.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 15 2022 22:00 utc | 56
@Posted by: counter-propaganda | Oct 15 2022 21:34 utc | 50
Killing subversive agitators is good. Killing liberals is also good. Why should anyone tolerate traitors?
Posted by: FVK | Oct 15 2022 22:02 utc | 57
@ FVK | Oct 15 2022 21:58 utc | 55
well that certainly applies to victoria nuland, and crystia freeland here in canada too for that matter, but i know that wasn't what you were getting at, lol... and just so you know - 2 of my favourite posters at moa are women - juliania and jen, so there is something wrong with this theory even if it is right!! that lady in my link @ 21 certainly fills the bill.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 22:11 utc | 58
Given the West’s proclivities at using minorities as Trojan horses, what is the state of Iran’s Azeri population?
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Oct 15 2022 21:02 utc | 41
Johnycomelately, like all the other issues, it will be exploited by the empire.
One thing is for sure: All Iranians identify themselves as Iranian first, then Azeri, Lori, Baluchi, Kurdish, Arab, etc. Not the other way around.
I once thought that those differences could be exploited to divide Iran, but I was much younger then.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 15 2022 22:19 utc | 59
@Posted by: Browser | Oct 15 2022 21:14 utc | 45
White supremacist western chauvinists have this idea that their deranged form of Anglo-liberalism is natural "progress" like a law of nature, and not merely a developmental phase of their own particular post-christian culture. This, along with white supremacist suppositions that dismiss Asians as natrually inferior, is what led the west to underestimate China. White supremacist western chauvinists believed that China would naturally "progress" like they did, not understanding that the particularity of their own historical trajectory is not universal. They also believed that the Chinese were not to be taken seriously because they are merely mongoloid Asians, a race of coolies in the eyes of white supremacist western chauvinists. But things didn't work out like they expected.
In reality, Anglo/American/European "progress" is merely the gangrenous rot on their own dying European post-Christian civization as they descend the ladder of nihilism to it's ultimate end: nihil, nothingness, extinction. Others are just trying to avoid the stench of this Western necrosis until the corpse can be properly cremated and ashes scattered in the wind.
Posted by: FVK | Oct 15 2022 22:19 utc | 60
2 of my favourite posters at moa are women - juliania and jen.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 22:11 utc | 58
Agreed. Oh, I aspire to become a third, but haven’t got the fortitude, or the knowledge. Cheers.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 15 2022 22:25 utc | 61
2 of my favourite posters at moa are women - juliania and jen.. cheers..
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2022 22:11 utc | 58
Agreed. Oh, I aspire to become a third, but haven’t got the fortitude, or the knowledge. Cheers.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 15 2022 22:25 utc | 62
What immediately struck me about the riots was the ethnic angle, it wasn't women persay who were protesting but women and men from peripheral ethnic groups. The protests began in the Kurdish regions in the West and were an ethnic mobilisation, the girl who reportedly was killed was Kurdish.
The subsequent spread to a larger urban centre of Sari was far away in the lands of the Mazani, some of the protests even recalled elements of Zoroastrianism. The religion held on best and longest in the Mazani lands and again it can be taken as a kind of ethnic marker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sari,_Iran
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Ethnic_Map_of_Iran.png
This political divide can also be seen in election results, how well Ahmadinejad did, for example, in 2005 can be seen to be a proxy for the proportion of the population that is or isn't ethnic Persian.
https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/wp-content/gallery/iran2005/iran2005.JPG
It's very clear these protests are becoming a proxy for these ethnic divisions rather than a broader social movement for relaxed social controls which would be expected to be centred on the largest most progressive urbane cosmopolitan urban centre of Tehran but it is happening in peripheral areas outside the Persian areas and Tehran.
Needless to say the US has been funding independence movements and militants in Iran for a long time.
Posted by: Altai | Oct 15 2022 22:29 utc | 63
@Posted by: ltexpat | Oct 15 2022 21:11 utc | 43
I seem to recall just a few years ago, western leaders telling me that the head scarf is a symbol of female empowerment. The horse-faced female leader of New Zealand whose name I forget went around wearing one for a time, as did many in Europe. Now they are back on the "oppressive patriarchy" line. Western nihilism can manifest all of these contradictory positions and hold them at the same time. In a way, lack of any apparent consistency is a strength for nihilism. At least up until the point that it isn't.
Posted by: FVK | Oct 15 2022 22:30 utc | 64
@dadooronron: re: "And if the shah had followed the advice of his associates he could perhaps have stayed in power."
Are you aware that by 1975 the Shah was known to have terminal cancer, eg.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-shahs-cancer-may-have-changed-history-2014-10?op=1
That was known by the CIA and, if I recall previous articles on the subject, known by G.H.W. Bush. So your claim above amounts to a counterfactual, ie. if he had not had cancer, then....
I am sympathetic to your claim that many people were out to replace the Shah, and that the origin of the 1979 coup is unclear. One writer I like, W.F. Engdahl claims, in A Century of War, that the coup was spear-headed by the West, not the Shah.
Posted by: Robert | Oct 15 2022 22:37 utc | 65
@Deplorable Commissar | Oct 15 2022 20:11 utc | 29
What else should [the police] have done ? Throwing rocks at a moving vehicle could kill the driver. The moron deserved to die.
In a civilized country, the cops would have sheltered behind transparent riot shields as they approached the rock thrower. Then they would have arrested him.
In China, that is probably what would happen. (Inside China, two (2) deaths by cop in 2019. In the US, 1039 deaths by cop in 2022 so far, and the year isn't even over yet.)
Only in a barbarous country would the cops shoot a mere rock thrower dead.
By the way, you are displaying the callous attitude of a citizen of Rome, in the late Roman Empire, just before its collapse.
Posted by: Cyril | Oct 15 2022 22:48 utc | 66
FVK
Kind of like congress voting to forbid funding to the Ukrainian Nazis. But when the real owners of the government said no it disappeared now we bring them to Stanford and call the hero”s!
Posted by: Susan | Oct 15 2022 22:54 utc | 67
It is not for no reason that the proclamation "death to the Great Satan" has become part and parcel of daily prayers in Iran.
Posted by: Ali | Oct 15 2022 23:01 utc | 68
@dadooronron
I should slightly amend my comment above.
1. Engdahl does claim that the Shah was overthrown by the West, but he doesn't provide an argument for that.
2. The source I was actually thinking about was Yale professor Henry Munson, Jr., who argued in his <> that Khomeini didn't believe the claims of the shah:
>>
[p. 108]
The Ayatollah Khomeini never condemned the shah for trying to industrialize Iran. On the contrary, he argued that the shah's regime was one of many "puppet governments" established by Western imperialists to prevent the industrialization of the Islamic world. In his lectures on "Islamic Government," which he presented to religious students in Iraq in 1970, Khomeini declared:
If you pay no attention to the policies of the imperialists, and consider Islam to be simply the few topics you are always studying and never go beyond them, then the imperialists will leave you alone. Pray as much as you like; it is your oil they are after—why should they worry about your prayers? They are after our minerals, and want to turn our country into a market for their goods. That is the reason the puppet governments they have installed prevent us from industrializing, and instead establish only assembly plants and industry that is dependent on the outside world.[2]
This is not the rhetoric of a man opposed to technological and economic development. Nor would the policies implemented by the Khomeini regime since 1979 suggest hostility to such development.[3]
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Posted by: robert | Oct 15 2022 23:13 utc | 69
As an Iranian, or of any country targeted by the imperialists, I cannot protest the policies of my government in the streets so long as the imperialist regime change troops are ready to kill me before I can take two steps down the street. US imperialism will remain the greatest purveyor of violence in the world until it is no more, and the greatest promoter of reactionary forces and policies in Iran and all over the world. As an "Iranian" my stance towards the government or any political force and their policies is determined first and foremost by the extent to which it opposes imperialist designs to enslave my people and pillage my country. Let the imperialists and their media and "public opinion", left and right, take their hands off of my country and I will take care of my workers, women, democratic, and human rights just fine.
Posted by: SlowDL | Oct 15 2022 23:13 utc | 70
Iran’s anti-morality police protests: a different view from the ground
“Setareh Sadeghi, an Esfahan, Iran-based scholar and teacher, provides Max Blumenthal with a complex view of Iran’s protests against the country’s morality police and the death of Mahsa Amini never heard in US mainstream media.”
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/09/irans-protests-view-ground/
Posted by: Zet | Oct 15 2022 23:37 utc | 71
An excellent article in 'The Cradle" discussing the Pentagon's use of psyops against, in particular, Iran:
Decoding the Pentagon’s online war against Iran:
CENTCOM’s geographical purview includes Iran, and given the Islamic Republic’s longstanding status as a key US enemy state, it’s perhaps unsurprising that a significant proportion of the unit’s online disinformation and psychological warfare efforts were directed there.
A key strategy employed by US military psyops specialists is the creation of multiple sham media outlets publishing content in Farsi. Numerous online channels were maintained for these platforms, spanning Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and even Telegram.
In some cases too, fake journalists and pundits, with numerous “followers” on those platforms emerged, along with profile photos created via artificial intelligence.
For example, Fahim News claimed to provide “accurate news and information” on events in Iran, prominently publishing posts declaring “the regime uses all of its efforts to censor and filter the internet,” and encouraging readers to stick to online sources as a result.
https://thecradle.co/Article/Analysis/16372
Posted by: Menz | Oct 15 2022 23:43 utc | 72
@Deplorable Commissar | Oct 15 2022 20:53 utc | 39
Simple, because obviously [the color revolutions work].
Only the first few color revolutions worked. The world has gotten wise to them; all recent tries have failed.
Additionally, these events are geo-politics at the highest levels not a morality contest. If Russia, China, and Iran arent doing the obvious, most money effective thing to tie down the ZioWest in its own backyards yards is because they fear the blow back. Whats more logical ?
Because Russia, China, and Iran need to win over the non-Western world. But that would be harder if they acquire a rotten reputation for doing what the US does: sneaky, slimy subversion. The US would certainly want them to try, in order to smear them -- which is probably why you are suggesting that they do it.
Besides, the US is doing a great job of destroying itself; Russia, China, and Iran don't have to do much more than shield themselves from the beast's dying spasms.
Posted by: Cyril | Oct 15 2022 23:44 utc | 73
Former Military:
(37)
An amusing argument but wrong.
Dick Cheney's hunting partner required an emergency angiogram to remove bird shot that had migrated from the wound in his neck to his heart. He almost died. Unless you are obese or blessed like Dolly Parton, bird shot can slip between your ribs to reach your heart directly with only an inch of actual tissue penetration.
I wish that VP Cheney had taken his daughter hunting.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Oct 15 2022 23:50 utc | 74
I second Cyril's comments @73. Although it's tempting to give America a taste of it's own medicine, the US is already on a terminal trajectory. Any attempt to do so could stop that trajectory which would work against everyone's interests.
Posted by: Ian2 | Oct 16 2022 1:19 utc | 75
@ Menz | Oct 15 2022 23:43 utc | 72 with the link to The Cradle posting about CENTCOM perfidy in Iran...thanks
I live in the US and have family that is part of that perfidy and he speaks/writes Farsi....sigh....I stay as far away from them as possible now and hope this shit show ends soon.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 16 2022 1:40 utc | 76
@ Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 15 2022 22:25 utc | 61
thanks sakineh.. hang in their! i dig your posts too and can include you on the list as well! cheers..
@ Menz | Oct 15 2022 23:43 utc | 72
thanks... if you read the link immediately above your post - @ Zet | Oct 15 2022 23:37 utc | 71, you'll note how central hastag, instagram, twitter and etc. etc. is to the interview with the lady in iran... in other words, what you say is bang on.. let me quote you here -
"A key strategy employed by US military psyops specialists is the creation of multiple sham media outlets publishing content in Farsi. Numerous online channels were maintained for these platforms, spanning Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and even Telegram."
in fact, this iranian expat - "Masih Alinejad" which @ Belle | Oct 15 2022 18:42 utc | 13 drew my attention to and which i shared a new yorker interview on her @ 21 falls in this same western run social media swamp - twitter in particular.. so the social media outlets are how the usa and friends are hoping to run another colour revolution or sorts...
the way i see it though, is they are having less and less success with these games.. i hope people smarten up and drop the use of these social media outlets, but i am not holding my breath... fortunately the lady Setareh Sadeghi, interviewed by max blumenthal sees all this and calls it for what it is.. apparently the women of iran are generally all well educated and can see thru this for the most part.. that's good..
Posted by: james | Oct 16 2022 1:46 utc | 77
james | Oct 15 2022 22:11 utc | 58
2 of my favourite posters at moa are women - juliania and jen.
Yep.
When I was a lurker of some years duration…. I always looked for Jen’s comments… and still do. Jen doesn’t seem to post quite as often as she once did… is my perception.. the bar would benefit from more Jen…
And as Jen said at | Oct 15 2022 20:17 utc | 31
Color Revolution protests (mostly) co-opt legitimate restiveness about everyday issues, fuel, food, “the basics”.
As has reported time and again (say, the Maiden, most prominent in memory here) is the arrival with the crowd of the trained, armed agent-provocateurs.
I could see the crowd manipulators in action in the vids of the Dec 21 Kazakhstan attempted color rev.
The vid snippets of Iran that I’ve seen are too brief and lack wider scope….and I think that’s because the CIA knows internet sleuths know what to look for… and can identify the inserted crowd “Controllers” and their next tier manipulators at the side and rear.
Altai | Oct 15 2022 22:29 utc | 63
Anytime I see “Kurd”, I see CIA.
Elmer Fudd | Oct 15 2022 23:50 utc | 74
Probably not just you.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 1:50 utc | 78
Cyril @ 73:
Thanks for taking on Deplorable Commissar's remark @ 39. Your reply about why DC might have suggested a tit-4-tat path for Russia, China and others is pure class.
I also agree that whatever the US is doing to dig itself a deeper grave, we should not stop it as long as innocent people are not harmed.
Posted by: Jen | Oct 16 2022 1:55 utc | 79
@ Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 1:50 utc | 78
ot - i will let you in on a little secret.. jen used to post at the kremlin stooge - mark chapmans site.. i am not sure if she still is though, as i don't visit the site very often.. mark is a nice man who lives in victoria, on vancouver island and who i have met.. maybe jen will comment on what is happening with mark and his site..
Posted by: james | Oct 16 2022 1:59 utc | 80
speaking of possible censorship.... trying to get http://english.farsnews.ir/ but doesn't seem to want to load... on the other hand https://www.tehrantimes.com/ does load.. i wonder if pat lang would approve, lol...
Posted by: james | Oct 16 2022 2:09 utc | 81
Interesting.
A coin has three sides.
With every paper I'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn't take one more step
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Oct 16 2022 2:36 utc | 83
Posted by: FVK | Oct 15 2022 22:30 utc
The 'horse faced woman' you are referring to in your ignorance and misogyny is the Prime Minister of New Zealand. She wore a hijab when she visited with members of the Muslim community, after an Australian coward nazi slaughtered 50 worshippers at the Al Noor mosque in Christchurch. Your comment about Jacinda Ahern was either grossly ignorant or in sympathy with a nazi massacre. Or both. Which is it? Either way your comment is beneath contempt.
Posted by: Paul McGrory | Oct 16 2022 3:04 utc | 84
Back in the the 1950s and 1960s local councils in Sydney hired Beach Inspectors who, armed with a tape measure, would check the size of bathing costumes of women on the beach to determine if they were an affront to public decency.
Posted by: GCM | Oct 16 2022 3:24 utc | 85
seenitbefore | Oct 15 2022 20:20 utc | 33
the current government system in IRAN came into being when we helped overthrow the Shah and brought the Ayatollahs into power; does the US every get regime change right? leave it alone!
Check your history please. The USA overthrew Mohammad Mosaddeg in a CIA coup in 1953. Twenty six years later, in 1979 the Shah fled the country and Ayatollah Khomeini was invited by the government to form the Islamic Republic.
Much of this history can be found in Stephen Kinzer's ALL THE SHAH'S MEN (2013)
Posted by: Alchemist | Oct 16 2022 3:58 utc | 86
Paul McGrory | Oct 16 2022 3:04 utc | 84
Cheers Paul, this bar seems to have had an influx of refugees from UNZ who generally lower the tone of the place. My Dad was born in Christchurch and met my Mum at the University down the road from al Noor. It was trying to shake its reputation as a racist city (20 years ago it was the only place the National Front could march openly) so it was pretty shocking when it happened. Made more sense when we discovered it was an Australian Nazi with a travel history that screamed intelligence asset. And an Azov Battalion symbol on his flak jacket. Likely part of some kind of 'strategy of tension', the purpose of which is still obscured (beyond the expansion of surveillance and terrorism laws and further restrictions on non-state firearms).
Ardern got a lot of media buzz for wearing a Hijab to meet the survivors (although she couldn't bring herself to wear it correctly and cover her hair, exactly what the MSM claim led to the arrest in Iran). But the whole thing was quickly forgotten and now NZ troops are training the terrorist's brothers-in-arms to drop M777 shells on Donetsk city, while a young Iranian exile (Green party MP) works to stir up sympathy for colour revolution in Tehran. 51 deaths don't mean much in terms NZ's imperial trajectory.
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Oct 16 2022 4:08 utc | 87
S.P. Korolev | Oct 16 2022 4:08 utc | 87
“……Made more sense when we discovered it was an Australian Nazi with a travel history that screamed intelligence asset. And an Azov Battalion symbol on his flak jacket. “
Yep.
His “manifesto” was poorly copied pastiche of 4chan memes.
Including the ultimate meme…. The navy seal “300 confirmed kills” pasta.
….That a Australian news “journalist” cited in somber tones.
Laws were quickly passed to prohibit possession or viewing of the Christchurch episode. Because internet sleuths, well below the category of “autist”, could identify the flaws, glitches, timestamp errors and the additional participants. [that once again, across history, debunks “lone gunman” theories]
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 16 2022 4:29 utc | 88
Why don’t you simply refer to “The Gray Lady” as “Sulzberger House Rag” ?
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Oct 16 2022 5:30 utc | 89
Iran’s protests: a different view from the ground
"Setareh Sadeghi, an Esfahan, Iran-based scholar and teacher, provides Max Blumenthal with a view of Iran’s protests against the country’s morality police and the death of Mahsa Amini never heard in US mainstream...."
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oUucX0FcBBg
Posted by: Browser | Oct 16 2022 5:40 utc | 90
Posted by: Zet | Oct 15 2022 23:37 utc | 71
Thanks, I repeated your good link. Perils of reading from bottom-up.
Posted by: Browser | Oct 16 2022 5:44 utc | 91
James @ 80:
I still post comments at Mark Chapman's New Kremlin Stooge blog. Since Russia started its SMO in Ukraine, I've been taking a back seat in commenting, esp with the recent influx of trolls on the Ukraine-topic comments forums.
Posted by: Jen | Oct 16 2022 5:51 utc | 92
Thank you so much for tellig the truth about what happened! Most people in ther West want to believe that Iran is an evil place where only evil things take place. It is very sad because they don't notice that they are brought to think that way. They are sheep and parrots
Posted by: Isabelle McEwen | Oct 16 2022 6:36 utc | 93
Legendary Australian morality policeman and beach inspector Aub Laidlaw:
https://bobbain.livejournal.com/294082.html
Google a photo of Aub, now THAT is obscene and obese!
Posted by: Paul GV | Oct 16 2022 6:48 utc | 94
@Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 21:11 utc | 44
@Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 15 2022 21:27 utc | 47
I agree with you about most of what you say in those latter two comments but leftists usually avoid it all together.
They are in denial about the shah being ousted by the anglosaxon imperialists and only bring up the case of 1953.
And I think liberals, in the now obsolete sense where it meant something reasonable, like Kennedy, might have been wellintended but not practical.
But leftist prefer a black and white interpretation and they dont want to accept that Khomeini was being heavily and decisively supported by the US/UK because the shah had been talking about Iran would become the fifth wealthiest nation and because he collaborated with both Europe and the USSR for industrialisation.
In Europe only the UK was extremely negative to the new trade zone that Breznev Helmut Schmidt and Giscard d'Estaigne were planning.
And the concomitant petrocurrency.
Together with Japan and OPEC with the stated intention of backing the currency on the development and industrialisation of the poorer countries.
Thus less chances for continued looting by the anglosaxon empire.
Note that this was discussed by the Larouche circle at the time but now everybody has forgotten or have thrown it down the memory hole.
And the empire is now busy destroying Europe again. Seprating Europe and Russia.
The leftists annoying habit of disgarding information that doesnt fit the marxist analysis helps the imperialists.
And it is pertinent to remind people about the fact that the anglosaxons have supported all shapes and forms of socialism from the beginning.
Despite their often anticommunist rhetoric.
Too much reliance on ideology handicaps the analysis and turns people into unwitting imperial stooges.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 16 2022 7:30 utc | 95
@Alchemist | Oct 16 2022 3:58 utc | 86
seenitbefore in #33 is right and another source than Stephen Kinzer is Hostage to Khomeini by Robert Dreyfus from 1981
Something that may play a role is that there was later a threat about a suite against the Larouche side in the 1990s because they had pointed to one of the iranian collaborators of the US.
This may have caused them to lay low from then on.
As you may know Larouche and several associates went to prison for having borrowed money that the prosecution and presumably relatives of the concerned lenders used to accuse them of illegal methods.
This had nothing to do with Iran but might have had an impact on what they dared expose.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Oct 16 2022 7:47 utc | 96
Sleeper cells of Israeli Mossad, the CIA, MI6 and rest of the EU countries are the poisonous snakes within Iran. Like the great Mustafa Kamal Ata Turk of Turkey cleansed the entire Turkey from the spies of the West, Iran must do the same. Identify the Irani army of Sayanim, their Katsas, the CIA-MI6 sell out Iranians, and the EU's sleeper cells. No need of lengthy trials in the revolutionary times. Give them their legal rights of speedy trials and if they admit their guilt, treat them according to the espionage laws of Iran!
Posted by: Janet Fine | Oct 16 2022 9:33 utc | 97
The American empire uses females because females generally lack critical thinking abilities and are all natural fifth columns. You'll notice that 90% of the extremely brainwashed in almost any situation are females. The other 10% are sexually undesirable males hoping to get in the pants of these 90% females by siding with their cause.
Posted by: FVK | Oct 15 2022 21:58 utc | 55
Ahem...there are some, hum... “interesting” opinions in this forum.
The other thing I marvel at is the inability I detect in obviously highly literate writers in English, such as the author of this blog, to use the proper word to denote one woman. I’ve never seen the same mistake when talking about men, the phrase “a men did x” never occurs. Might it be because some people subconsciously think of women as members of the herd “women” and don’t merit being individualised? Some kind of Freudian thing no doubt.
Posted by: CC | Oct 16 2022 9:48 utc | 98
Bernhard, thanks for a very informative analysis.
One off-topic remark: you seem to have stopped (temporarily?) commenting about the Russian SMO in Ukraine. Why is that?
I don't expect you to answer the question here, but it has struck me of late. Or, as the saying goes: just sayin'.
Posted by: Ernesto Che | Oct 16 2022 10:29 utc | 99
The recent rightist tone of this site is signified by the patronising attitude towards the people of Iran which is expressed in this thread. One side considers that Iranians are hopelessly primitive people who spend their time oppressing women and stoning each other, whilst the other point of view is equally bad, they assert that there is no problem with living in a state dominated by 1000 plus year old bunch of superstitions and old wives tales, that any problems are simply those of greedy amerikan rapists lost in their own superstitions and old wives tales.
No one appears capable of accepting that after 40 years of living under a corrupted pseudo-religious government that some people have simply had enough.
Yes USuk still tries to stick its nose in along with a bunch of home grown zionists but that does not abrogate the Iranian government from being held to account for their obvious faults and since the farce after the 2009 elections neither the CIA, MI6 or Mossad have been able to stir up shit like they once did. The silly Iranian expats are more difficult to recruit and send back now they have seen what will happen to them when they get caught as they will get caught.
Heaven forfend! Could it be that some Iranians are genuinely pissed off with an inept nepotistic government, surely not it's only been 40 years of inept nepotism.
I seem to have been shouting into the wilderness around here for the past 20 years, that no one, amerikan, amerikan of Iranian descent, Russian or Chinese looking for an easy ally has a right to pass judgement on the people of Iran because all interferences have the same motive, imperialism. All only want want to have a say in the exploitation of Iran's resources, all have shown in Iran and elsewhere that they don't care what sort of scum they deal with in order to further those greedy ends but if they cannot do business with that scum they will do what it takes to put more suitable scum in as 'leaders'.
There are no goodies here, no one has a right to assist or pass judgement on anything Iranian people do apart from Iranian people.
Syrian people got sold the dummy when Russia pretended to help the Syrians, however it became apparent to all but those who refuse to see that once Russia had got what it wanted, control of sufficient of Syria to ensure no pipeline from the Arabian peninsular could pass through Syria on its way to Europe, Russia stopped, leaving one third of the nation occupied by amerika and it's ersatz terrorist mercenaries - the third where the traditional population is being ethnically cleansed to be replaced by Kurds and Turkamen put there by 'Erdy' to keep the Kurds in line. Amerika gets Syria's oil, the cruel occupiers of Palestine have a freely available bombing & shooting range with the other two thirds of Syria, Russia sits back content they got what they wanted, stuff the rest of 'em.
Pick a side, too bad they're ALL arseholes, "still I believe what I believe because blah, blah, blah tells me so" - such naivety from so many.
Even those who claim to reject 'mainstream media' or whatever they're calling it this week, still lap up bullshit from greedies, just a different mob of greedies is all.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 16 2022 10:29 utc | 100
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Of course Iran's enemies are trying to fan the flames, but there is plenty of "authentic," class-based discontent with the mullahs. Aside from being repressive fundamentalists, they line their pockets and brutally crush unions. In this article the author appropriately spends some time focusing on the oil workers who are moving to strike. When they pitched in against the Shah it was a very significant blow to his regime.
https://jacobin.com/2022/10/iran-protests-women-islamic-republic-imperialism
Posted by: dadooronron | Oct 15 2022 17:04 utc | 1