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September 28, 2022
Whodunnit? – Facts Related to The Sabotage Attack On The Nord Stream Pipelines

For decades the U.S. opposed European projects to receive energy from Russia. It wants Europe to buy more expensive U.S. oil and gas.

the Lemniscat @theLemniscat – 15:56 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

US plan was always to stop EU buying Russia's gas
2014
Rice:"You want to change the structure of energy dependence. You want to depend more on the North America energy platform … to have pipelines that don't go through Ukraine & Russia"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aF0uYIjaTNE

Europe's, and especially Germany's industry, depends on cheap energy from Russia. Without it Europe will be de-industrialized and go broke.

The U.S. had threatened to disable the pipelines connecting Europe to Russia.

ABC News @ABC – 9:59pm · 7 Feb 2022

Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades…then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since…the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
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Currently the U.S. is winning its war on Europe's, mainly Germany's, industries and people. Yesterday's sabotage attack on the Nord Stream I and II pipelines, which are supposed to bring Russian natural gas to Germany, mean that the the war on Germany has entered its hot phase.

A question remains: Whodunnit?

Russia has no motive to destroy the pipelines it owns. These are valuable, long term assets and the gas that escaped from them yesterday was on its own worth some $600 to $800 million.

A pipeline that could be turned off and on again was a leverage point for Russia that gave it some negotiation power. A destroyed pipeline gives Russia no leverage. This is truly elementary. One can not spin that away.

During the war in Ukraine Russia has not stopped to deliver gas to Europe as contractually agreed. Instead European countries, Poland, Ukraine and Germany have blocked overland and sub sea pipelines that brought gas to Germany.

German people have protested against the U.S. ordered shut down of the Nord Stream II pipeline. (Nord Stream I was recently offline because Siemens was prevented by sanctions from maintaining its compressor turbines.)

RadioGenova @RadioGenova – 18:02 UTC · Sep 26, 2022

Thousands of people in Gera in Germany against Olaf Scholz's policy and the explosion of energy and gas prices. They demand an end to sanctions on Russia and the reopening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Demonstrations also in other German cities but EU media censors them.
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A day after the protests the pipelines were sabotaged:

AZ @AZmilitary1 – 12:51 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

HERE IT IS
Footage from the site of a gas leak on the underwater section of the Nord Stream.
The video was published by the Danish military.
Earlier, the Kremlin said that it was most likely about sabotage.
The same opinion was expressed in the German government.
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Yesterday's attack on the Nord Stream system is not unprecedented:

professional hog groomer @bidetmarxman – 15:51 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

In 2015, the annual routine underwater survey of the Nord Stream 1 pipelines came across a remote operated vehicle rigged with explosives right next to one of the lines in Swedish waters.
The umbilical cable had been cut. The drone’s national origin was never disclosed. 🧵

In 2015 Pipeline Journal reported:

[T]he Swedish military has successfully cleared a remote operated vehicle (drone) rigged with explosives found near Line 2 of the Nord Stream Natural Gas offshore pipeline system.

The vehicle was discovered during a routine survey operation as part of the annual integrity assessment of the Nord Stream pipeline. Since it was within the Swedish Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) approximately 120 km away from the island of Gotland, the Swedes called on their armed forces to remove and ultimately disarm the object.

The national identity of the drone has not been verified so far, as many countries use Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUVs) of a similar construction, [Jesper Stolpe, Swedish Armed Forces spokesman,] said.

To destroy a sub sea pipeline requires more than a ROV/drone delivered shaped charge.

Javier Blas @JavierBlas – 15:18 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

How strong is a Nord Stream pipe? Quite!
The steel pipe itself has a wall of 4.1 centimeters (1.6 inches), and it's coated with another 6-11 cm of steel-reinforced concrete. Each section of the pipe weighs 11 tonnes, which goes to 24-25 tonnes after the concrete is applied.

It wasn't earthquakes that destroyed the pipelines. These were several well targeted and massive explosions:

A Swedish seismologist said on Tuesday he was certain the seismic activity detected at the site of the Nord Stream pipeline gas leaks in the Baltic Sea was caused by explosions and not earthquakes nor landslides.

Bjorn Lund, seismologist at the Swedish National Seismic Network at Uppsala University, said seismic data gathered by him and Nordic colleagues showed that the explosions took place in the water and not in the rock under the seabed.

The targeted explosions were not small:

Dagny Taggart @DagnyTaggart963 – 15:56 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

Swedish seismologists from Lund University noted that "at least 100 kg of TNT (perhaps more) were used to destroy the pipelines."

Here is where the pipelines were hit:


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The Baltic Sea is controlled by NATO. This from June 2022:

"BALTOPS, with the high degree of complexity, tested our collective readiness and adaptability, while also highlighting the strength of our Alliance and resolve in providing a maritime domain with freedom of navigation for all," said Vice Adm. Gene Black, commander, U.S. Sixth Fleet and Naval Striking and Support Forces NATO (STRIKFORNATO).

Led by U.S. Sixth Fleet, BALTOPS 22 was command and controlled by STRIKFORNATO. From the staff’s headquarters in Oeiras, Portugal, Rear Adm. James Morley, STRIKFORNATO deputy commander, was responsible for ensuring participants met all training objectives.

[Rear Adm. John Menoni, commander, Expeditionary Strike Group Two,] also noted several instances in which forces stepped beyond know warfare methods to push limits with new technologies at sea and ashore. “Whether it was mine-hunting UUVs, persistent Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance from an observable UAV, or demonstrating the value of the emerging Marine Corps concept of Expeditionary Advance Base Operations (EABO), our men and women continue to develop the tactics, techniques, and procedures that ultimately make meaningful contributions to Maritime Domain Awareness and increase the lethality of our forces.”

At sea, ships fine-tuned tactical maneuvering, anti-submarine warfare, live-fire training, mine countermeasures operations, and replenishments at sea. The Swedish submarine participating in the exercise, the U.K.’s Daring-class air-defense destroyer HMS Defender (D 36), and aircraft from other participating nations trained in anti-submarine warfare. Meanwhile, mine operations served as an ideal area of focus for testing new technology.

Scientists from five nations brought the latest advancements in Unmanned Underwater Vehicle (UUV) mine hunting technology to the Baltic Sea to demonstrate the vehicle’s effectiveness in operational scenarios. The BALTOPS Mine Counter Measure Task Group ventured throughout the Baltic region practicing ordnance location, exploitation, and disarming in critical maritime chokepoints.

While the Baltops 22 maneuver already took place in June and July of this year the U.S. Sixth Fleet left the Baltic Sea only a few days ago (in German, my translation):

Big Fleet Group From U.S. Navy Passes [German island passage] Fehmanbelt

On Wednesday morning the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge, escorted by the Landing Ships USS Arlington and USS Gunston Hall, was en route towards west. Previously, the ships were part of US units that took part in NATO maneuvers and called at numerous ports in Germany, Scandinavia and the Baltic States.

The "USS Kearsarge", flagship of the association and largest warship of the US Navy, which was in action in the Baltic Sea in the last 30 years, has 40 helicopters and fighter planes as well as more than 2000 soldiers on board, the escort ships about 1000. For the around 4,000 soldiers are heading back home on the east coast of the US after their six-month deployment.

Parts of the Kearsange operations in the Baltic Sea were dedicated to test special sub sea mine destruction technologies:

A significant focus of BALTOPS every year is the demonstration of NATO mine hunting capabilities, and this year the U.S. Navy continues to use the exercise as an opportunity to test emerging technology, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa Public Affairs said June 14.

In support of BALTOPS, U.S. Navy 6th Fleet partnered with U.S. Navy research and warfare centers to bring the latest advancements in unmanned underwater vehicle mine hunting technology to the Baltic Sea to demonstrate the vehicle’s effectiveness in operational scenarios.

Experimentation was conducted off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, with participants from Naval Information Warfare Center Pacific, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Newport, and Mine Warfare Readiness and Effectiveness Measuring all under the direction of U.S. 6th Fleet Task Force 68.

Off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, is where the pipelines were hit. Just days ago the USS Kearsarge was in that area:

AZ @AZmilitary1 – 13:52 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

An expeditionary detachment of US Navy ships led by the universal amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge days ago was in the Baltic Sea
It was 30 km from the site of the alleged sabotage on the Nord Stream-1 gas pipeline and 50 km from the threads of Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline


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AZ @AZmilitary1 – 14:12 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

On September 2, interesting maneuvers performed by an American helicopter with the call sign FFAB123. Then it was assumed that this board was from the USS Kearsarge air wing, and today more details were looked.

According to the website ads-b.nl , this call sign was used by 6 boards that day, of which we managed to establish the side numbers of three. All of them are Sikorsky MH-60S.

By superimposing the FFAB123 route on the scheme of yesterday's accident, we get a rather interesting result — the helicopter either flew along the Nord Stream-2 highway, or even between the points where the accident occurred.

On Twitter, meanwhile, there were screenshots of other flights of American aviation — the following screenshot was taken on September 13.


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The MH-60S carries big electromagnetic sensors which allows it to detect submarines, mines and – in the shallow waters of the Baltic Sea -  sub sea pipelines.


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This overlay picture of two others posted above is especially of interest:


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The U.S. military is not the only force that was near the area of the pipeline damage. Just a 100 kilometer south is the Polish naval base Kolobrzeg (the former German Kolberg) which harbors mine laying ships and the 8th Kołobrzeg Naval Combat Engineer Battalion. Naval combat engineers are experts in blowing up anything that is under water, be it mines or pipelines.


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In 2021, while Nord Stream 2 was still being build, the Polish navy had interfered and endangered the pipe laying vessels in the very same place.

Artifaktus @bzyqer – 7:49 UTC · Sep 28, 2022

Gdy Wy mycie zęby, przebieracie się w piżamy i szykujecie do snu, jeden niestrudzony Polak wyrusza w swoją łodzią w kierunku Bornholmu mając na sercu dobro Polski a może i Niemiec …

Translated from Polish by Google
When you brush your teeth, put on your pajamas and get ready to go to sleep, one tireless Pole sets off in his boat towards Bornholm with the good of Poland and maybe Germany at heart …
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During the recent Ukraine crisis Poland has rejected to receive Russian gas. It closed the Yamal pipeline that transports natural gas from Russia to Germany. Poland continued to consume Russia gas. It received it from Germany which had received it through the Nord Stream I pipeline from Russia.

Poland and Denmark have build a new sub sea pipeline which connects it to the pipeline that brings Norwegian gas to the Netherlands and Europe.


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The pipeline was opened yesterday, the very same day the Nord Stream system was sabotaged.

Chancellery of the Prime Minister of Poland @PremierRP_en – 11:25 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

🇵🇱🤝🇩🇰 The #BalticPipe is a joint Polish-Danish investment in the energy security of the region.
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Chancellery of the Prime Minister of Poland @PremierRP_en – 13:43 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

🎥The launching ceremony of the #BalticPipe gas pipeline with participation of PM @MorawieckiM , PM of Denmark Mette Frederiksen & @prezydentpl @AndrzejDuda.
The Baltic Pipe is a strategic infrastructure project aimed at creating a new gas supply corridor on the European market.
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The Baltic Pipe has a capacity of only 10 billion cubic meters per year. The Nord Stream system could carry up to 110 cubic meter per year. All of which is needed to keep Europe's industries running.

For more on Poland's involvement, likely in cooperation with the U.S., read these informed speculations by John Helmer:

The explosions at Bornholm are the new Polish strike for war in Europe against Chancellor Olaf Scholz. So far the Chancellery in Berlin is silent, tellingly.

The Poles should be reminded that other countries also have the capabilities to sabotage sub sea pipelines.

Radosław Sikorski is a former Minister of Defense and Foreign Minister of Poland. He is now a Member of the European Parliament. Yesterday he posted a picture of the gas escaping the damaged Nord Stream pipelines and thanked the U.S. for blowing them up.


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Sikorski is married to the neoconservative writer Anne Appelbaum who is notorious for her anti-Russian and anti-German screeds widely published in U.S. media.

In 2014 during the Maidan coup in Ukraine another notorious neoconservative, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, told the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, who should become the new prime minister of the Ukraine. She famously expressed her opinion about European concerns: "Fuck the EU" Nuland said. She is currently the U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs.

Over the last decades Germany has financed the Euro zone with up to 1.24 trillion Euros. (See also this thread). This was possible because Germany was exporting lots of industrial products and had a yearly surplus from its trade. With Germany's industry going down because a lack of cheap energy that surplus will vanish. Europe, all of it, will become a poor continent.

Philip Pilkington @philippilk – 21:23 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

9/ The European energy war will likely go down in history, together with the Treaty of Versailles and the trade wars of the 1930s, as one of the biggest economic policy errors in history.

10/ Another thing: when Trump was elected on a platform of milder protectionism, many people rightly pointed to the 1920s and 1930s and warned against these policies. These same people appear to have supported these much more 1920s/30s-like policies this past year. Ironic.

This does not happen by chance or fate. It is part of a long term neoconservative plan for continued U.S. supremacy over the world. The Anglo-American axis is the only party to benefit from the recent events.

The U.S. allegedly warned Germany of sabotage of the Nord Stream system (in German).

This reminds of President Joe Biden's warning of a Russian invasion in Ukraine early this year.

It is easy to predict such events when you are the one who intends to cause them.

The U.S. knew that the Ukraine was going to launch an attack on the Donbas republics. The U.S. knew that Russia would intervene to help its brethren. Russia had said so. The Ukrainian attack started with artillery preparations on February 17. Russia intervened on February 24.

The above is a collection of the currently available facts. You can draw your own conclusions from them.

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Never forget the US official position on what the EU might think:
“F*ck the EU.”
— 2014. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland

Posted by: Cassander | Sep 28 2022 20:26 utc | 201

The anglo’s vs Eurasia. China was very on the ball with covid. No host animal has been found. I don’t make judgment on China’s policy but it has significantly slowed China industrial output.
There was a very strong link between China industry and German industry. When I was looking around for quality product back around 2013/14, the factories would advertise they had German machines and produced their product to German standards.
Cutting that energy umbilical cord should be a wake up call to the world that this is a war for continued anglo dominance over the world.
Covid and US sanctions on Russia have effectively broken world trade. Right back to the stone age nations have traded. Nation/tribe. The stone quarries that had top quality stone for making cutting tools. The ground that produced copper nugget that could be beaten into tools.
Edogan sees Crimea, the Black and Azov sea coastlines as Turkic lands. But whatever, he is a wiley player. The Poles, their allegiance with perfidious albion, attacking Germany and Russia perhaps to achieve past greatness… historical stupidity.
German industry should be grabbing those three fools or traitors that supposedly lead them by the scruff off the neck and throw them into the sea. But they won’t. The western world has been dazzled by the headlights of the magic word ‘Democracy’. That magic word is something perfidious albion uses and abuses to its fullest extent.
WWIII in real time, right there on our computer screen….

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2022 20:28 utc | 202

the Elites in the West will believe just about anything negative, critical or ‘evil’ of Russia. This has been going on for well over 100 years now. And they are fed this diet 24/7 by arms industry-funded think tanks, war-mongering mass media propaganda systems, and ‘anonymous’ government officials.
Sometimes, like in this case, the veneer actually drops and a former Polish Foreign Minister blurts out the truth and thanks the USA for its international terrorism. The emperor surely has no clothes.
Big Serge has a good and somewhat satirical thread today on this, referring to an idiotic WA Post ‘analysis’ by Javier Blas entitled, yes here we go again: Is Putin Fully Weaponizing the Nord Stream Pipelines?
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1575161010251767808
They are testing the docility of the hivemind by asking people to believe that Russia blew up a pipeline which it had the power to turn on and off at will.
A pipeline that can be turned on and off is a leverage point. A destroyed pipeline is not. This is truly elementary, but the spin machine is going into high gear to work around it.
Russia shells its own people in Donetsk
Russia attacks its own nuclear power plant
Russia blows up its own pipeline
Truly a phantasmagorical world to live in.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 28 2022 20:30 utc | 203

From the sabotage attack on NS1 & NS2 by the US/NATO I learned that NS1 & NS2 physically consist of four pipelines, of which three have been damaged. The fourth pipeline however (part of NS2) is undamaged. Are there any barflies who have knowledge whether NS2 is still able to function with one pipeline? If that is possible, than this single pipeline of NS2 is having more capacity than the two pipelines of NS1 had (because NS2 has stronger turbines).

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Sep 28 2022 20:36 utc | 204

I’m leaving out the prime suspect because it’s been done to death already.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 28 2022 19:13 utc | 179
Maybe that is because the US is the most obvious culprit. Biden said he would do it; the US was having maneuvers in the area recently, the US, Poland, and Ukraine have all hated the NS pipelines. Ukraine because they can’t steal gas from the pipelines running through Ukraine. Poland for the same reason, and the US because it wants to replace and control the EU oil and gas market and because the cheap energy from Russia allowed Germany to compete with the US for international and EU manufacturing markets.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 28 2022 20:39 utc | 205

In my observation of US/world politics in this past 40 years IMO this current ruthless, rudderless US regime is the most dangerous and the most stupid administration I have ever seen.
May god save us all.

Posted by: Kooshy | Sep 28 2022 20:44 utc | 206

Peskov said that financial damages were substantial for Russia, in terms of valuation of the gas that leaked out. Yes, that’s true, but at the same time they can recuperate some part of it through existing gas prices being pushed higher. That means sales elsewhere will rise, somewhat at least.
Also remember that more or less half of the NS 2 pipes were owned (I guess that means funded) by Russia, rest by EU-ropean energy companies. The other NS2 pipe is functional, for now, but might not be for long.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 28 2022 20:47 utc | 207

Posted by: Kooshy | Sep 28 2022 20:44 utc | 207
“… this current ruthless, rudderless US regime is the most dangerous and the most stupid administration I have ever seen.”
Sorry Kooshy, but I think the Bush / Cheney Administration are on about the same level.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 28 2022 20:52 utc | 208

The
*Churchill-Eisenhower-Morganthau;
*Brzezinski-Wolfowitz;
*Biden-Blinken-Nudelman-Zelenskyy;
*PNAC-CNAS-RAND-MIGA
Schemes appear to be in play together.
€URoZone are pwned; and are in troubled calamities.
Add the Migranvader Waves setting up in TRK ready to start crossing into BLG+GRC. Murica are being Migranvaded from the Americas to diminish+absorb the White Migrant-Settlers from earlier generations.
The “Hegemon” of Plutarchy+Vassal_Oligarchs will still be in charge – there just won’t be many Nation-States willing and able to operate freely from their Influence.

Posted by: IronForge | Sep 28 2022 20:54 utc | 209

JackG @?
Large gas trnsmission lines have some water and sand in them. Condensation and impefect filtering. The seawater of the Baltic Sea is classed as low-salinity brackish water. It would be an specialized engineering task to repair the piplines. The pipe could have an inner coating protecting its surface. Many variables.
Learn how divers repair the underwater damaged pipelines
All this reminds me of a guy who farted in church. Everyone is looking around at who did it. I think it is the guy looking straight ahead smiling.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 28 2022 20:56 utc | 210

@Arch Bungle | Sep 28 2022 20:04 utc | 195
I commend the effort, even if the analysis is imperfect. Good that you listen to comment. My comment would be that you have not included the factual evidence available, in particular the presence of US warships and helicopters in precisely the correct location. You still arrived as USA as the perpetrator.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2022 21:02 utc | 211

Thanks b for this exceptional investigation. A great jigsaw put together. If Germany has to go go down, they should sell all their latest technology (if any) to China as a FU to the neighborhood.
But I don’t feel sorry for them, as they voted in their leadership clowns, and the EU is full of defective German political rejects.

Posted by: Dim sim | Sep 28 2022 21:02 utc | 212

@ Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Sep 28 2022 20:36 utc | 205
No idea, but since becoming aware of this, the plot kinda thickens.
Assuming it was intentional to leave 1 of 4 pipes intact, logic dictates whoever did it either left some breathing space for mercy on its ‘ally’ Germany, or its own investments and ‘frenemy’, should a switch ever be possible to the only NS2 pipe left standing to replace the two NS1 it downed ;
Either way, I’m still VERY heavily biased on the US-Poland logic. Russia is historically heavily biased toward prudence, while the US is the one w a track record of recklessness. It doesn’t get much more reckless that what happened.

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 28 2022 21:03 utc | 213

One thing you know for sure, somebody in NATO (that “defensive” alliance) did it.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Sep 28 2022 21:05 utc | 214

@Kooshy | Sep 28 2022 20:44 utc | 207
Agreed. Earlier ‘administrations’ like Bush the lesser were incredibly bad with 911 and wars against weak countries, but this ‘administration’ is completely insane.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2022 21:07 utc | 215

Oblomovka daydream | Sep 28 2022 20:36 utc | 205
No-one in any position to know has said anything about NS2/2 for want of a better name. Almost certainly there will be no comment until the official NS inspection team has reported. I suspect that it was probably attacked at the same time but something went wrong but the pipe could still have external damage, just not enough to rupture it.
It seems likely that it is designed such that each pipe can run on its own. If so it will have a capacity that is 50% of either NS1 or NS2, they both have about the same throughput.
If this is the end result and it can be used it offers Germany a partial way through the winter, if they have the balls. It will also be a huge dilemma for whoever blew it, do they have to go for the other to stop the Germans?
EU companies own 49% and Russia 51% of the pipeline. An estimate on the lost gas was $750m but I don’t know what cost basis.
I read a note that the NS2 contract with Germany is ‘take or pay’ to 2030 (to support the construction investment) if so Germany is running up a huge deferred bill. Does anyone know if this is true?

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 28 2022 21:09 utc | 216

@Jeff Harrison | Sep 28 2022 21:05 utc | 215
Yes, and for that reason NATO has to be dismantled. It has to go.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2022 21:10 utc | 217

T.h.omas #96: I am firmly convinced that “limited nuclear war” is the oxymoron to end all oxymorons – in more ways than one.

Posted by: T_Reg | Sep 28 2022 21:14 utc | 218

Posted by: IronForge | Sep 28 2022 16:22 utc | 142
Certainly two good options however you should add
3. Ukrainians recently trained by thr UK – the new anti mine squad- just announced- OR they could be convenient patsys
4. Poland – definitely have most to gain and are rabid enough
5. a combination of 2, 3 and 4.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 28 2022 21:23 utc | 219

fyi
get your baggage packed….
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1575130634615332866
Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom
The US Embassy in Moscow tells US citizens to leave Russia immediately. The US Govt knows that the Russians know who blew up the pipelines. Anything is possible now. Retaliation is guaranteed.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 28 2022 21:30 utc | 220

Karl, thanks for putting up the Escobar link. He must put in very long hours talking to contacts and researching. He is very good at painting the big picture.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2022 21:46 utc | 221

@ Melaleuca
It doesn’t follow that because Ukraine cooperates with NATO powers, they can’t also act independently of them. But, charitably, maybe you’re saying: Ukraine needs the US, so they wouldn’t risk alienating them. I think that’s an interesting point. My response would be that the Ukranians do a lot of absolutely reckless things that should cause tension with the U.S.A. – bombing the ZNPP, terrorizing non-combatants, threatening international journalists etc. It seems to me that they’ve gotten the message that USA/NATO will almost always just look the other way while they do whatever.
Now, maybe there’s a point to be made that even if it was Ukraine, that the U.S. gives them so much leeway and unconditional support that USA shares culpability, I’m not sure I’d object to that.
I see a lot of evidence Ukraine’s recklessness is enabled by the U.S./NATO, but not a lot of evidence that they’re U.S./NATO puppets. Most people on this site seem to think it’s the other way.

Posted by: GoFast | Sep 28 2022 22:00 utc | 222

my guess is Russia will win the Ukie conflict decisively by Dec 30, forcing a new security framework and political reality in Europe. Then NS2 and perhaps NS1 get repaired pronto, and after that no-one dares touch them anymore. — tunabe | Sep 28 2022 13:00 utc | 73

While I share the same sentiments, I’d be careful on making any kinds of predictions based on dates. War is rather chaotic and who knows what The Empire will do when Ukraine is moments away from total defeat.

Since the current US government is essentially a CCP occupation regime, a very straightforward explanation is that the US puppet government did indeed follow through with its threats in the manner that most benefits its CCP patrons.
Another alternative to consider is the WEF/Soros crew acting independently of any government. — ARB | Sep 28 2022 19:34 utc | 188

Sigh. Make up your mind. Either the US gov’t is “CCP occupied” or not.

Posted by: Ian2 | Sep 28 2022 22:12 utc | 223

@ Norwegian
Ukraine did it. Not USA.
1. Ukraine is the only country actively fighting besides Russia.
2. Ukraine is the only country that can’t afford for this situation to end any other way but Russian defeat.
3. Ukraine is the only country where this would not cause a scandal if the public found out they were behind it.
4. Ukraine is the only country besides Russia that has been tearing up civilian infrastructure to achieve its goals in the past six months.
5. Ukraine is the only country that demonstrates no limits to what it will do – will bomb a nuclear power plant and lie about it, turn itself into a totalitarian state, lie repeatedly about what is happening on the battlefield and threaten to kill foreigners who question its actions.
6. Germany is one of U.S.A.’s closest allies; we have military bases in their country. This would definitely harm U.S./German relations if the U.S. were found to be behind it.
7. Biden administration spends an enormous amount of time running around trying to convince allies to get behind its energy sanctions proposals. Going behind Europe’s back to engage in sabotage is inconsistent with the multilateralism of the Biden administration.

Posted by: GoFast | Sep 28 2022 22:12 utc | 224

Agreed. Earlier ‘administrations’ like Bush the lesser were incredibly bad with 911 and wars against weak countries, but this ‘administration’ is completely insane.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 28 2022 21:07 utc | 216

Well, the head script reader has dementia and Blinken/Nuland are both menopausal. Insane is par for the course.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 28 2022 22:12 utc | 225

Who done it!
Dances with bears tries a pole dance
‘The military operation on Monday night which fired munitions to blow holes in the Nord Stream I and Nord Stream II pipelines on the Baltic Sea floor, near Bornholm Island, was executed by the Polish Navy and special forces.
It was aided by the Danish and Swedish military; planned and coordinated with US intelligence and technical support; and approved by the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki.
The operation is a repeat of the Bornholm Bash operation of April 2021, which attempted to sabotage Russian vessels laying the gas pipes, but ended in ignominious retreat by the Polish forces. That was a direct attack on Russia. This time the attack is targeting the Germans, especially the business and union lobby and the East German voters, with a scheme to blame Moscow for the troubles they already have — and their troubles to come with winter.
http://johnhelmer.net/the-bornholm-blow-up-repeats-the-bornholm-bash-poland-attacks-germany-and-blames-russia/

Posted by: brian | Sep 28 2022 22:37 utc | 226

You know to me China preparing for war is big. You can talk all you want about the flavor of the day, but
This
is something to take notice of.

Posted by: George | Sep 28 2022 22:44 utc | 227

Peter AU1 @222–
Thanks for your reply. Agree about Escobar. I finished my short article about the vows by Putin and Biden, “A Tale of Two Vows: Biden’s & Putin’s”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 28 2022 22:50 utc | 228

I am a bit surprised that NATO and the EU have not yet sanctioned Russia for sabotaging NS 1 and 2. What is the problem?

Posted by: Leuk | Sep 28 2022 22:52 utc | 229

USA did it, obviously. There is no question that the USA planned, organized, and ordered the infrastructure attack. Whether they used their own forces to commit the act or used an intermediary, like the Poles, is the only real question. Personally, I do not believe Americans would trust something this important to their vassals. Americans view Poles (and other non-Western Europeans) especially as intrinsically inferior people, so it was most likely conducted directly by the US military.

Posted by: FVK | Sep 28 2022 22:58 utc | 230

@GoFast | Sep 28 2022 22:12 utc | 225
The USA provides all targeting data and most intelligence for the Ukraine. USA also directly commands the Ukraine military. The USA was responsible for shelling the nuclear plant. The Ukraine doesn’t even start their day without getting the okay from Americans first. The idea that the Ukraine is conducting major international sabotage operations independently (and somehow doing so without the USA catching wind of it) is just an absurd and silly belief. You are an absurd and silly person. Not serious.

Posted by: FVK | Sep 28 2022 23:09 utc | 231

This is a deliberate, but temporary sabotage of German industry. Who needs prices of nusinesses to go down? People who want to buy cheap businesses.
Who wants to protect employment and welfare of the people? Nations and groups of Nations.
Do Mrs Fuck the EU is talking about making a quick buck 1/ destroying the Ukrainisn people and buying up Ukraine, and 2/ destroying the German people, French people, Polish people etc and buying up their assets cheap.
Political Islam , like every other politics , is about price reduction of the land, and buying it cheap from the absent refugee ow era.
Nuland is Political zionism, or whatever other sob story she uses which is exactly the same game as Political Islam.
Absolutely nothing to do with religion, everything with getting very rich while fucking the present owners of property.
Every Thatcher survivor knows that the bum that fills the seat of power , will be more avaricious, ruthless and corrupt than the bus that is on it now.
Biden got rich by trading with China. The Blinkens and Nulands would rather screw their own countries, which are in the EU.
Something between predatory cannibalism and incest, they do not see their homelands as anything but a source of revenue.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 28 2022 23:14 utc | 232

Looks like dirty hands of pirate race English
England is the main plotter of all wars.
All wars in Europe have been consequence of english plots to make two European nations (usually the two strongest ones) fight each other. Including 1st world war and then 2nd World War.
Gulf war was plotted by witch thatcher, first Iraq war by criminal tony blair- this Syrian war  again by english rats which borne their ugly child ISIS.
Tony Blair, who, when occupied Iraq, claimed that “we will become the British Empire again,” meaning that he will occupy the rest of the world too!
Now the british are repackaging their dream as global Britain. Only when wars become unpopular, the english stop taking credit for that and let blame be placed on Jews.
and stupid people including hitler blamed jews while it was all along the english parasites who destabilise, plot and run the war (but those cowards do not fight in beginning-they come late to feast on already weakened enemy of the day.).
The english act like dog or heynas who gather a pack of anglosaxon 5 feral evil eyes and then manipulate to plot a war against somebody. Just like hyenas waiting for two strong lions (usually two strin european nations) and when those lion of nations (Germany, France, Russia etc) get tired then those heyena come over to feast on the kill that those lions had made in the first instance.
That is their modus operandi .
English have not won a single war (not even malvinas war) without help since Boer war in 1899 that too with all resources of colonies it was very very hard going.
Perhaps we should ask the British about how they interned Boer women and children in sickening concentration camp conditions where 30000 died of cholera and yellow fever and all to force the Boer menfolk off the battlefield.They used women and children as hostages in terrible conditions to slowly die,so as to force the Boer fighters to surrender who they could not defeat militarily.

Posted by: Sam | Sep 28 2022 23:15 utc | 233

Posted by: GoFast | Sep 28 2022 22:12 utc | 225
I am going to waste my time replying, because i actually think you might believe what you wrote.
1. Ukraine is the only country actively fighting besides Russia.
2. Ukraine is the only country that can’t afford for this situation to end any other way but Russian defeat.
3. Ukraine is the only country where this would not cause a scandal if the public found out they were behind it.
4. Ukraine is the only country besides Russia that has been tearing up civilian infrastructure to achieve its goals in the past six months.
5. Ukraine is the only country that demonstrates no limits to what it will do – will bomb a nuclear power plant and lie about it, turn itself into a totalitarian state, lie repeatedly about what is happening on the battlefield and threaten to kill foreigners who question its actions.
6. Germany is one of U.S.A.’s closest allies; we have military bases in their country. This would definitely harm U.S./German relations if the U.S. were found to be behind it.
7. Biden administration spends an enormous amount of time running around trying to convince allies to get behind its energy sanctions proposals. Going behind Europe’s back to engage in sabotage is inconsistent with the multilateralism of the Biden administration.

1. is naive or trolling. There are huge quantities of US materials, lots of mercenaries with very recent links to the US and you would have to be a moron to assume that some of the hits on Russia were not using US satellites. Additionally because USA is the funder in chief you would also have to be a moron to assume they do not have control over most if not all of Ukrainian action.
2. Rubbish. Poland, USA, UK, Romania and possibly Israel all have significant problems from a Russian win
3. Dream on fella. With the compliant media i think if it were proven the US military ate BBQ babies it would make no difference.
4. um!!!!!! 6 months perhaps but 6 years??? Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan. Honestly mate if this is the best you can do you are either a child, a fool or a troll.
5. There could possibly be truth is this but Israel is another that certainly destroys infrastructure regularly
6. Wrong. Think trump and the general hostility to Germany. Think the public statements of trump and Biden re NS2. this is just naive.
7. OK fella- you seem to have a bit of a soft spot for Biden. I am sorry for you, because you are about to be sadly disillusioned about your hero. I conclude you are still very young.
Gotta go. No time to respond.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 28 2022 23:18 utc | 234

@watcher | Sep 28 2022 23:18 utc | 235
Yes, that post was one of the most naive things I have ever read. That USA would want to avoid civilian casualties or attacks on critical infrastructure is the most laughable part. Mass civilian genocide has been the most consistent aspect of American military doctrine going all the way back to their first genocides against the American natives. Every war the USA has ever fought has involved widespread civilian massacres.
Civil war (both sides), World wars 1&2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, all fought using methods of industrial slaughter of civilians, targeting critical civilian infrastructure, and later in the 20 century repeated usage of weapons of mass destruction (including nuclear, chemical, and biological). Mr GoFast seems to have a child view of the USA.

Posted by: FVK | Sep 28 2022 23:34 utc | 235

One wonders how much skin Germany had in the game up front. If none, whose fault was that? Was the pipeline insured, and to what extent and by whom?

Posted by: Peter Duveen | Sep 28 2022 23:44 utc | 236

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2022 21:46 utc | 222
peter… i couldn’t find the link from karlof1 on pepes article… if there is a number to karls post, please share it.. thanks…

Posted by: james | Sep 29 2022 0:39 utc | 237

MH17
I have no idea who destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines.
But I am 100% convinced that they were the same people who shot down MH17.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 29 2022 1:07 utc | 239

Too funny.
TG – Nord Stream blasts could herald new phase of hybrid war, say EU politicians
Oppositions politicians in Germany were more forthright. Roderich Kiesewetter, a member of parliament for the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), told the Guardian the pipeline attack had the hallmarks of the “hybrid warfare approach” Russia has pursued for the last decade, with the aim of “dividing the European Union not by military but through social and diplomatic means”.
“We have to ask who has an interest in destroying this infrastructure,” said Kiesewetter, a member of the Bundestag’s committee on foreign affairs. While it was in the interest of the US, states in central and eastern Europe and the Baltics that Nord Stream 2 would never be activated, he argued that an act of state-sponsored sabotage by a Nato ally would have come attached with too large a risk of a political backlash.
“Russia, on the other hand, has an interest in sending us a signal: to threaten it could cause similar damage to pipelines between Algeria and France, to our power lines or submarine fibre-optic cables […] I consider it likely that Russia was behind this attack.”
The Kremlin has dismissed descriptions of the Nord Stream leaks as a Russian “terrorist attack” as “stupid and absurd”. Foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Wednesday said Russia intends to call a UN security council meeting over damage to two Nord Stream undersea gas pipelines.

A UNSC meeting – Oh why do they even bother? Talk about stupid and absurd.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 3:26 utc | 240

A UNSC meeting – Oh why do they even bother? Talk about stupid and absurd.
Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 3:26 utc | 241
Yes it does seem absurd but I guess they have their reasons for sticking to the only possible means of supranational arbitration. If only to get it on the record.
Maybe such reactions enable the Russians to do something to vent other than retaliating in kind. That would actually be far worse for them than going to the UNSC. They sure have patience whatever way you look at it.
And or a bigger picture plan.

Posted by: K | Sep 29 2022 3:32 utc | 241

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 0:52 utc | 239
thanks peter!

Posted by: james | Sep 29 2022 3:37 utc | 242

Playing the Devil’s (should I say Satan’s?) advocate, leaving one line operable makes the “Russia did it” hypothesis a bit more plausible. This would leave a supply route open and keep gas prices high (the spike in prices was highlightened in MSM, not sure about its long term effects or how significant it will be for Russia anyways).
The long term impact depends on how fast infrastructure can be build in Europe to get gas (or energy) from somewhere else and for Russia to sell it to somewhere else. I’m not an expert on the matter, but I guess most easily available information is propaganda and that some major projects can take years or decades to complete.
If the objective was destroying German/EU economy, it would still make sense to destroy it at a slower pace to avoid some blowbacks and for plausible deniability, on the other hand EU leaders were already doing a good job whitout a terrorist attack.
Personally I found the less explicit mention of Russia as a culprit in media more as a sign of how implausible it is to blame Russia than as an effort to avoid WW3 by diplomatic statesments (that have been thrown out of the window long time ago). Even if proven, I don’t expect a strong reaction against the US, also Ursula talked about “active” infrastructure, which doesn’t include neither NS1 or NS2.

Posted by: proteiros | Sep 29 2022 3:39 utc | 243

Also there’s the question if the inactive intact line was left operating on purpose or by error. Looks like this was a huge state sponsored operation that didn’t try hard to mask itself as something else, this kind of operations can also sometimes go wrong, but it looks credible that one line was left on purpose, for one reason or another.

Posted by: proteiros | Sep 29 2022 4:01 utc | 244

For those attempting to “play fair” and consider “maybe” Russia did it.
Explain. How did Russia get with a few kms of Danish territorial waters and insert itself into the very midst of US and allied naval exercises being held in exactly, precisely that location since June????
Is Russia really that stealthy and capable ?
Is the US really that deaf dumb and blind ?
______
Russia uses the UN to communicate with the RoW. It’s a forum away from controlled media where Russia can table facts and data.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 4:32 utc | 245

@ Arch Bungle | Sep 28 2022 19:58 utc | 194 and then 200 with the follow up and response to my analysis concerns
Well done with 194 and the means versus “source” in #200 is true as well…the US is the current face of empire and needs to own that to some degree…..someone here said it before that one can have some empathy for the brainwashed but not sympathy for their lack of effort to understand and engage reasonably with others.
we live in interesting time and I keep shooting for the stars….ad astra

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 29 2022 4:44 utc | 246

I have an alternative theory.
I believe it was a false flag carried out by one of the competing groups in the US government with the purpose to provoke a larger political conflict.
The reasons:
If this was a planned American operation, we should see American controlled media all over Europe declare that Russia, did it immediately after the sabotage. Instead, we saw a total silence and a small uncharacteristic Tweet from Blinken.
Also, contrary to what many say America do not really have anything to win from it since Europe now essentially is doomed as soon will not be able to buy large amounts of expensive American gas anyway. Also, tankers are now de facto floating targets which will make all the transportation of gas around the globe much more expensive etc.
The whole operation from an American perspective is simply a little bit too retarder and the operation was done in such a way that it looks perpetrator wanted everyone to immediately blame the Americans.

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain | Sep 29 2022 4:55 utc | 247

George | Sep 28 2022 22:44 utc | 228
Yes
NS2 is playpen

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 29 2022 5:02 utc | 248

fyi
escalation of words….. and then of deeds?
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1574890146788417536
Over the past hours, the anti-American tone on German and Austrian social media has escalated at all levels.
German and Austrian netizens openly accuse the US Navy, which days ago was in the Baltic Sea, of having carried out the attacks against Nordstream 1/Nordstream 2
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1574890152844992512
Some even go further from this point and accuse the current Social-Democratic Government of Germany of being “Vassals of America”
Needless to say that such incident will pollarize even more the German society on the next weeks.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 29 2022 5:07 utc | 249

Just as only a retreating military blows up bridges, Washington by blowing up the pipelines has admitted it sees no hope of victory against the Allies.
A thought

Posted by: Exile | Sep 29 2022 5:28 utc | 250

PHOTO: Diver holding an explosive device…..
SIMRISHAMN, Sweden (June 10, 2022) Lt. j.g. Chris Bianchi, assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit (EODMU) 8, prepares mock explosives for a pierside training event during exercise BALTOPS 22, June 10, 2022. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Daniel James Lanari/Released)
https://sfn.nato.int/newsroom/news-archive/2022/baltops-22-a-perfect-opportunity-for-research-and-testing-new-technology
BALTOPS22 is the premier maritime-focused exercise in the Baltic Region.
The exercise, led by U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa, and executed by Naval Striking and Support Forces NATO (STRIKFORNATO), provides a unique training opportunity to strengthen the combined response capabilities critical to preserving freedom of navigation and security in the Baltic Sea.
For over 80 years, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-U.S. Naval Forces Africa (NAVEUR-NAVAF) has forged strategic relationships with our Allies and Partners, leveraging a foundation of shared values to preserve security and stability.
Headquartered in Naples, Italy, NAVEUR-NAVAF operates U.S. naval forces in the U.S. European Command (USEUCOM) and U.S. Africa Command (USAFRICOM) areas of responsibility.
U.S. Sixth Fleet is permanently assigned to NAVEUR-NAVAF, and employs maritime forces through the full spectrum of joint and naval operations.
STRIKFORNATO, headquartered in Oeiras, Portugal, is Supreme Allied Commander Europe’s (SACEUR) premier, rapidly deployable and flexible, maritime power projection Headquarters, capable of planning and executing full spectrum joint maritime operations.
…Story by U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa Public Affairs
>>>…BALTOPS 22: A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR RESEARCH AND TESTING NEW TECHNOLOGY
BALTIC SEA – A significant focus of BALTOPS every year is the demonstration of NATO mine hunting capabilities, and this year the U.S. Navy continues to use the exercise as an opportunity to test emerging technology.
In support of BALTOPS, U.S. Navy Sixth Fleet partnered with U.S. Navy research and warfare centers to bring the latest advancements in Unmanned Underwater Vehicle (UUV) mine hunting technology to the Baltic Sea to demonstrate the vehicle’s effectiveness in operational scenarios.
Experimentation was conducted off the coast of *Bornholm, Denmark*, with participants from Naval Information Warfare Center (NIWC) Pacific, Naval Undersea Warfare Center (NUWC) Newport, and Mine Warfare Readiness and Effectiveness Measuring (MIREM) — all under the direction of U.S. Sixth Fleet Task Force 68.
BALTOPS is an ideal location for conducting mine hunting experimentation due to the region’s unique environmental conductions such as low salinity and varying bottom types.
It is also critical to evaluate emerging mine hunting UUV technology in the Baltic due to its applicability with Allied and partner nations.
This year experimentation was focused on UUV navigation, teaming operations, and improvements in acoustic communications all while collecting critical environmental data sets to advance the automatic target recognition algorithms for mine detection.
“In prior BALTOPS we demonstrated advanced capabilities to detect, re-acquire, and collect images of mine contacts, and transfer those images in near real-time to operators through the use of a specialized Office of Naval Research UUV,” said Anthony Constable, Office of Naval Research Science Advisor to U.S. Sixth Fleet.
“This year, through the work of NIWC Pacific and NUWC Newport, we are showing that this capability can be integrated into programs of record by executing complex multi-vehicle UUV missions with modified U.S. Navy Fleet assets.”
An additional critical objective was to continue to increase the communication range and data transfer capability in order to give the operators more flexibility in mine hunting operations.
Advancements in communication technology, demonstrated this year, have shown a significant improvement in operating ranges over currently used systems.
This provides additional standoff flexibility to the U.S. Navy in conducting safe mine hunting operations.
BALTOPS also provides a unique opportunity for the U.S. Research, Development, and Acquisition communities to exercise the current and emerging UUV technology in real-world operational environments.
This year featured the current and future programs of record for mine hunting UUVs in the MK-18 and Lionfish systems. Both systems were put through the paces over 10 days of mine hunting operations, collecting over 200 hours of undersea data.
“The major benefit of the BALTOPS experimentation is to provide advanced mine hunting capabilities to the operator in the field.
By exercising the future capabilities, U.S. Sixth Fleet can provide valuable feedback to help guide the Navy acquisition community responsible for mine hunting UUV development and procurement,” said Lt. Joshua Lynn, U.S. Sixth Fleet Experimental Lead for BALTOPS.
“This year we have seen the near- and long-term future in mine hunting UUV technology and we are excited to see how quickly the technology and capabilities are improving.”
But yeah. Exactly when this^ was happening. And in the exact location, Russia (using its superpower invisibility) decided to blow up its own pipeline.
Take *that* said Putin.
I’m posting all this^^ because morons keep arriving at the bar to post …….
”hmmmm, *maybe* it coulda been Russia”.
Nope.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 5:34 utc | 251

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 29 2022 4:44 utc | 247
I think all will become clear once someone does a systematic analysis and mapping of *all* factions and supra-national groups beginning with the neocon cabal and ending with Chabad Lubovitch.
People are already beginning to understand, they’re just too terrified of the truth to touch it …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 29 2022 5:48 utc | 252

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain | Sep 29 2022 4:55 utc | 248

I have an alternative theory…I believe it was a false flag carried out by one of the competing groups in the US government with the purpose to provoke a larger political conflict.

That’s not an alternative theory. The US is by definition a confederation of competing groups and provocation of larger political conflicts is their mainstay.
Give us something new. Give us Alien Jesus or something …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 29 2022 5:51 utc | 253

@Exile | Sep 29 2022 5:28 utc | 251

Just as only a retreating military blows up bridges, Washington by blowing up the pipelines has admitted it sees no hope of victory against the Allies.

Indeed. Scorched Earth tactics is a sign of desperation.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2022 6:08 utc | 254

Arch Bungle | Sep 29 2022 5:51 utc | 254
China ‘preparing for war’ Voltaire.net – makes a change from conspiracy theories who dun it nonsense
as per #228 link

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 29 2022 6:23 utc | 255

The British are masters at spotting and creating choke-points as force-multipliers. Israelis, similarly, know the art and practice well. Together with their gigantic-if-foolish proxy, they know Poland+Ukraine is a continental chokepoint. Russia knows it. China knows it.
Such a prize is irresistible. To that end, any enemy is invited as friend.
Any friend impeding acquisition becomes as nothing.
To wit: Open Veins of Latin America. If bribes fail, use assassination. If assassination fails…it doesn’t.
Life so perfectly mimics a trap, it must be a trap.

Posted by: chu teh | Sep 29 2022 6:47 utc | 256

If pieces of the explosive delivery casing would be allowed to be recovered the source could be identified via isotopic dilution mass spectroscopy.
Not holding my breath as the West isn’t interested in such details.

Posted by: Krollchem | Sep 29 2022 6:51 utc | 257

“The first explosion was recorded early Monday (local time) south-east of the Danish island of Bornholm, said Bjorn Lund, director of the Swedish National Seismic Network.”
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/nato-starts-2-day-air-force-drill-in-baltic-region-3652715
“NATO’s allied air forces started on Monday a two-day drill in the Baltic Sea region to “deter and defend the alliance against any aggression.”
“Air forces from 9 NATO members – Hungary, Germany, Czech Republic, Italy, Türkiye, the UK, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – and candidate country Finland are taking part in the Ramstein Alloy exercise, the alliance said in a statement.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 7:20 utc | 258

Krollchem | Sep 29 2022 6:51 utc | 258
It all depends on who is in control of the investigation/salvage operation:
If it is Sweden (ie Nato), if they find the casing then ‘it could not recovered to surface due to strong currents which tragically swept away the evidence’ For good.
If Gazprom/Rus, then recall that Russian mass spectroscopy machines are primitive and unrelaible and mostly provide incorrect data. Best ignored.

Posted by: Lapin | Sep 29 2022 7:26 utc | 259

Jumping ahead a few chapters in this stupid saga, to the section titled “Germany’s War Reparations”.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 29 2022 7:29 utc | 260

I don’t know who did or and probably it doesn’t really matter. What happens next is the real question. Personally, I believe the US did it as they have done so many other similar things it is likely. Like the old joke, if it walks, like a duck, quacks, like a duck then it is probably a duck. If it were the Poles who did it then why was the US swarming around the area, an area prohibited to Russians? Perhaps they were trying to stop it? But, the change of command to get a more ethically flexible commander suggests that the previous commander refused the orders as they are in fact illegal and war crimes.
I am retired military and was US Army Special Forces for some of my career (enlisted as a Medic and later as a PSYOP Officer as my alternate MOS). In my time we had honor of sorts, and wouldn’t obey these blatantly illegal orders (or at least I wouldn’t). However, under Obama there was a purge of officers to remove those with high ethical standards via a written loyalty test designed to determine if an officer would obey the Constitution or the President. The law supports the former and it is by design just to prevent the things we are seeing happen now. Military officers serve as a stop gap for illegal orders driven top down but it requires high ethical standards and a willingness to risk a career. I believe very few officers in the US military have these ethical standards today.
Regardless, it happened and I am 99.9% certain it was the US who did it. The question really is WTF??? Do they really want WWIII? Do they actually believe Russia won’t destroy them? Russia has put into operation weapons delivery systems that completely defeat US defense systems. If they wanted to they could drop a hypersonic delivery vehicle on Air Force One parked at Andrews just to demonstrate this. It could come from literally any direction on the planet and the US wouldn’t see it coming. The new Russian S550 system is designed to defeat all American ballistic missiles. If Russia gets a sense that this is forthcoming then they will preemptively eliminate the threat using non-nuclear systems. The clock is ticking very close to midnight and clearly the patients are in control of the psyche ward in the US. A nuclear flare flag is very much likely now in Ukraine, perhaps within the next few days. Anyone capable of blowing up gas pipelines is certainly capable of nuking Russian civilians in Donetsk.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Sep 29 2022 7:31 utc | 261

I should have added this in my previous post.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-28/nord-stream-gas-leak-explained/101481144
“A second, stronger blast north-east of the island that night was equivalent to a magnitude-2.3 earthquake.”
UK but not US involved in the exercise. N1 and N2 each have twin lines – laid side by side I assume. One explosion for each pair. Air delivered anti submarine/anti pipeline technology?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 7:34 utc | 262

I also believe there was a misfire on a 4th bomb which is still sitting out there on the undamaged string of the NS2 pipeline somewhere. Will they find it in time? Will it get reported? Perhaps it is a decoy to prove the Russians did it using ex-Soviet explosives delivered from Ukraine? LIterally, anything is possible now.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Sep 29 2022 7:36 utc | 263

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Sep 29 2022 7:36 utc | 264
There was news that “the 4th leak was discovered” by Swedes. Don’t know if the “4th leak” means the other NS2 pathway.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2022 7:41 utc | 264

Old Microbiologist | Sep 29 2022 7:36 utc | 264
It is pretty obvious that NATO delegated the fourth device to Ukraine.
Why it failed is a mystery.
All went well, they lowered the device on a rope as trained, they lit the fuse with a lighter and rowed away….but nothing ..

Posted by: Lapin | Sep 29 2022 7:45 utc | 265

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 5:34 utc | 252
Naval exercises are not evidence. They are rumors via hearsay. Meaningless Logical fallacies.
Nothing Burgers iow.
Get me a photo of a navy seal et al sticking the mine to the gas pipeline and swearing under oath he/she did it. Even that is insufficient.
Frankly does it even matter who did it? Did it matter who ‘really’ shot down MH17? No, not really.
Germany and Russia still have to decide wtf they are going to do about the sabotage/terror attack on the pipelines.
My guess? They’ll do nothing. Like Russia did nothing about the Skripals. The only guarantee is that Russia will be hit with more unlawful sanctions again and again, and again.
And Russia still has to decide wtf they are going to do about the four oblasts and the rest of Ukraine in regard their SMO action and their country under an unrelenting and illegal/unjust sanctions regime from hell with only minor (and unreliable) support from others.
The pipelines will soon be old news irrelevant and forgotten.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 7:45 utc | 266

It is not the USA against Russia, it is the Jews against Russia.

Posted by: Its always the Jews | Sep 29 2022 7:51 utc | 267

The Sirius Report
@thesiriusreport
·22h
Suddenly the back channels between the US and Russia have been reinstated. This was initiated by Washington.
………………
The Ukrainian telegram channels had been reporting that the Zelensky government were worried US was losing interest in the war. UK/MI6 not CIA is the main influence in Ukraine. US is the money and the guns.
US may well have been the culprit but a lot also points toward UK escalation when US or factions there wanted to de-escalate.
If this goes nuclear, it will most likely be the UK that trigger it. The idiot Americans with their flapping mouths have set themselves up for major false flags by the British to take them into all out war with Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 7:55 utc | 268

SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 7:45 utc | 267
“The pipelines will soon be old news irrelevant and forgotten”.
This is what the US, Poland and the EU would like to happen.
I went yesterday to find out how much a total change in my heating system(s) would cost and what practical alternatives there are. While the elite might forget, the little people will not as they are the ones menaced by these curtailments of supply.
I joined the queue.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 29 2022 8:00 utc | 269

In the end, it was intended as a strong message to Russia, probably in response to the referenda.
Of course, this action required substantial preplanning and preparation, that would not have been left undetected. Therefore, I’m convinced, that everybody in the NATO headquarter knew about it to happen, i.e. the litoral states to the Baltic Sea, including the German government.
One further step to escalation and commitment to war.

Posted by: Linus | Sep 29 2022 8:03 utc | 270

And…..here we go…..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/sep/29/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-pressure-grows-to-declare-russia-terrorist-state-norway-beefs-up-security-at-gas-sites

Russia-Ukraine war live: new leak found on Nord Stream pipelines as pressure grows to declare Russia ‘terrorist state’
Swedish coast guard find fourth leak; Russia has reached legal definition of ‘terrorist state’ under US law, say international experts
15.03
▶️ Fourth leak found on Nord Stream pipelines, Swedish coast guard says
Sweden’s coast guard earlier this week discovered a fourth gas leak on the damaged Nord Stream pipelines, a coast guard spokesperson told newspaper Svenska Dagbladet.
“Two of these four are in Sweden’s exclusive economic zone,” coast guard spokesperson Jenny Larsson told the newspaper.
The two other holes are in the Danish exclusive economic zone, according to a translation of the report published by Reuters.
The European Union suspects sabotage was behind the gas leaks on the subsea Russian pipelines to Europe and has promised a “robust” response to any intentional disruption of its energy infrastructure.
17.52
Here are some of the latest images sent to us from Ukraine over the newswires:
An EU official has given a briefing to Reuters saying that an agreement on the next sanctions package against Russia is expected before next week’s EU summit, or at least major parts of the package.
The official went on to tell the agency that they expected the summit to focus on the recent “referendums” carried out by proxy-Russian authorities in occupied areas of Ukraine, possible annexations by Russia, Russia’s nuclear threats and the disruption to the Nord Stream pipelines.
EU leaders are also expected to discuss different ideas for energy price caps at the summit, which the EU official expects to be a tense one “as we are in difficult times”.
Hungary’s Viktor Orbán has already indicated he is unlikely to back another tranche of sanctions, and recently announced a “national consultation” to see if EU sanctions against Russia had the backing of the Hungarian people.
17.15
Given the tricky nature of pulling off a sabotage attack against the Nord Stream pipelines undetected, most analysts agree that only state actors could have carried it out. Russia has been keen to cast the blame in the direction of the US.
This morning the Russian foreign ministry has, according to the RIA Novosti news agency, issued a brief statement saying that the “incident on the Nord Stream occurred in a zone controlled by American intelligence.”
Overnight the Russian embassy in the US issued a statement on Telegram again drawing attention to “the promises made by President Biden to ‘bring an end’ to the Nord Stream 2 project”, and saying:
We note the attempts by some US legislators to put blame on Russia for the incidents. Perhaps, they have a better view from the top of Capitol Hill.
But if that is the case, they must also have seen the US warships’ activities at the very site of the Russian infrastructure disruption just the day before.
Or noticed drones and helicopters fly over there.
Or observed US navy exercises with underwater explosives that have been conducted in the same area some time ago.
What is obvious to us is that those who ponder about the incident seem to forget to ask the main question: who benefits from the pipelines’ rupture?
For our part, we insist on the need for a comprehensive and objective examination of the circumstances of the unprecedented attacks on Russian pipelines.

Russian sources have repeatedly referenced the words of Joe Biden and his administration earlier this year as the US and Germany threatened that Nord Stream 2 would not be opened if Russia invaded Ukraine.
In January state department spokesperson Ned Price said “I want to be very clear: if Russia invades Ukraine one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward. I’m not going to get into the specifics. We will work with Germany to ensure it does not move forward.”
Several days later, on 8 February, at a joint press event with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Biden said that the pipeline project would be ended if Russia put troops on the ground in Ukraine, saying “If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
17.01
Danish foreign minister says ‘intentional’ explosions caused Nord Stream leaks
Denmark’s foreign minister, Jeppe Kofod, has said that “intentional” explosions caused the leaks in the Nord Stream pipelines, and that it was an “unprecedented” attack.
He told viewers of Sky News in the UK:
It’s clear we all need to be very aware of our critical infrastructure, when it comes to energy and other infrastructure, so we all take, I think, the right precautionary steps. Because it is unprecedented, as I’ve said, we haven’t seen that type of attack on on infrastructure.
Saying that Danish authorities were working closely with their neighbours, NATO and the EU, he added “we all have to look out for, our critical infrastructure.”
He went on to tell viewers that it emphasised the need to end dependency on Russian energy, saying:
It has been clear for us for a long time in Denmark, and also now for the rest of Europe, that we need to get out of any dependence on Russian energy, whether it’s gas, coal or oil, and we’re working very hard to obtain that objective in Europe.
Denmark is doing its part, where we will focus a lot in investing massively in renewable energy, not least the offshore wind and other type of renewables, and also energy efficiency. So that is a course we will not change.”

16.33
Ed Davey, a former energy minister in the UK and currently leader of the Liberal Democrats, the fourth largest political party in the UK’s parliament, has said he believes it is likely that the Nord Stream pipeline will never reopen.
He told viewers of Sky News in an interview that the leaks in the pipelines were “potential Russian terrorism”. He said:
I think we should be very concerned. Listening to Polish and Danish ministers they do suspect this was an act of Russian terrorism, and that it’s another threat from the Kremlin to Europe’s energy supplies.
But we need to stand bold against Russia supporting Ukraine.
And one thing that is some good news is that the pipeline from Norway to Poland that we so long argued for, the so-called Baltic gas pipeline, is going to now open earlier than originally planned.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 8:13 utc | 271

Sanctions.
In their infinite wisdom, the EU following VDL’s speech, are sanctioning Washing machines and fridges because they may contain microchips. This exceptional method will automatically impact… the Chinese, as they are the ones who make these things.
In fact back in another age, revelations show that most are made in only one or two factories, and then new labels are put on them by the “producers” (Intermediaries in fact). So all the manufacturers have to do is change the “made in Russia” badges to “made in a US deplaced business in China”. Problem solved.
****
Lapin | Sep 29 2022 7:45 utc | 266
Lol, but are you sure? Where did they get the lighter fuel from? – They must have used safety matches.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 29 2022 8:14 utc | 272

Stonebird | Sep 29 2022 8:14 utc | 273
“……Where did they get the lighter fuel from? ?
It was shipped in the last gazillion $$$$ package of US alms to Ukraine…. But it got sold on the blackmarket before the crew made it to Bornholm.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 8:27 utc | 273

I find it quite interesting, that Andrij Melnyk seems to know (and tweeted) about it the day before.
Hey Leute, was ist nur los mit Euch in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? Die NS2-Pipeline ist für immer begraben auf dem Ostsee-Meeresgrund. Ihre hohen Gas-Rechnungen können Sie an Eure Ministerpräsidentin
@ManuelaSchwesig
schicken, die das Debakel mitverursacht hat
https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij

Posted by: Shechinah | Sep 29 2022 8:34 utc | 274

@ Shechinah
The translation :
Hey guys, what’s wrong with you in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern?
The NS2 pipeline is forever buried on the Baltic Seabed.
You can send your high gas bills to your Prime Minister @ManuelaSchwesig who helped cause the debacle

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 8:40 utc | 275

Sky news and associated expert’s say its the Russians wot done it!
Glad that’s cleared up without any references to Doddery creep Bidens comments back in February about “We have the means” to shut down NS2.

Posted by: jpc | Sep 29 2022 8:43 utc | 276

SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 7:45 utc | 267
“……Naval exercises are not evidence. They are rumors via hearsay. Meaningless Logical fallacies.”
However. The US and vassals vessels guarantee Russia had zero zip nada access to the localities where the explosions occurred.
During the duration… (and before and after) of the US “BigBalls-r-US” exercise, no Russian asset of any description would have gained access…. especially and not even the notorious and devious “weaponised” beluga whales:
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/beluga-whale-russian-military-norway/
A harness-wearing whale that keeps head-butting ships in the Arctic Circle could be a Russian military asset, Norwegian scientists say
Scientists in Norway say that a harness-wearing beluga whale found harassing fishermen off the northern coast of Norway is likely a tool of the Russian military
Bill Bostock, Business InsiderPublished Apr 29, 2019 10:13 AM
> Naval forces from the US, Russia, and Ukraine have used marine life as assets in the past, particularly dolphins.
The US used dolphins to locate underwater mines and submarines since the 1960s. There are currently 75 dolphins and sea lions housed by the US Navy’s Marine Mammal Program in San Diego, California.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 8:59 utc | 277

Nevermind Whodunnit… Who’ll fix it??
https://www.energyintel.com/00000183-85f4-d9e7-a3fb-cdf6c6270000
‘Even with a speedy assessment of the damage and response, there is no certainty that Nord Stream would be back online even by the winter of 2023/24: “I wouldn’t put my money on it,” the industry source said.’
‘Given plans by the German government to phase out Russian gas altogether, there may be limited commercial incentive to make the potentially costly repairs needed to return the lines to service.’

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 29 2022 9:02 utc | 278

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 29 2022 9:02 utc | 279
Don’t know if true but there were speculation that the pipe might be inner coated with something to protect against sea water and corrosion. Regardless of whether true, I don’t see these connections rebuilt until US influence has disappeared from EU-ropean politics. It’s simply impossible.
Will Turk Stream also suffer a similar fate? Seems like the FUKUS have nothing to lose in this situation by blowing up everything.
Germany doesn’t have years to get its act together, productive assets will be moving out or going bust within months.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2022 9:17 utc | 279

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 29 2022 9:02 utc | 279

Nevermind Whodunnit… Who’ll fix it??

Why would anyone care? Nobody needs those pipelines anymore, right ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 29 2022 9:18 utc | 280

Just as only a retreating military blows up bridges, Washington by blowing up the pipelines has admitted it sees no hope of victory against the Allies.
A thought
Posted by: Exile | Sep 29 2022 5:28 utc | 251

Just a next step in escalation … it’s no bluff.
Not Russia should be the preferred supplier to Europe … at any cost!
Nord Stream pipelines were always under attack by US war hawks and favorite Neocons …

“PROTECTING EUROPE’S ENERGY SECURITY” AND “COUNTERING AMERICA’S ADVERSARIES THROUGH SANCTIONS ACT”: A BRIEF SURVEY OF U.S. ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ON NORD STREAM 2

The U.S. Congress set sanctions against Nord Stream 2 in two different acts: the 2017 Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act and the 2019 Protecting Europe’s Energy Security Act. This comment will now describe and assess legality under the principle of prescriptive jurisdiction of the sanctions they edict.
A. Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions (CAATS) Act
In 2017, Congress passed the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, 115 P.L. 44 (codified in scattered sections of 22 U.S.C.). This sweeping act, which targets not only Russia but also Iran and North Korea, notably contains sanctions provisions against anyone who invests in “energy export pipelines” or “sells, leases, or provides to the Russian Federation, for the construction of Russian energy export pipelines, goods, services, technology, information or support.”

“Reset” under Obama and Kerry with the Atlantic council with Ivo Daalder even before 2014, the new motto was: make Russia a pariah state. This mirrors their own fascism as I have written – New Fascist Pariah States America and Israel Lashing Out (2018) and United States of America Declared a Bandit State.
Central Asia and the Caspian Sea basin was always the mission of US-UK foreign policy from the Baghdad Pact signed in 1955 and CENTO. With losing the foothold in Afghanistan after 20 years investment by US and NATO, America has become most desperate … not Russia.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 29 2022 9:18 utc | 281

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 29 2022 8:59 utc | 278
I think it’s a tragedy that plain, straightforward logic is no longer sufficient to determine truth.
That with so many clever people around, so many ex-spurts, special-ists, anal-lists we’re still reduced to magical dolphins and wales …
That’s how they screw us.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 29 2022 9:21 utc | 282

It looks to me that the only people in the world who never saw this coming were the Russians including Putin!
Why do they bother?
Why do they keep putting the cart before the horse?
It truly makes absolutely no rational geopolitical or even basic business sense to build NS2 under the conditions of the last decade.
IN fact it borders on delusional and manifest denial of reality.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 9:24 utc | 283

Hitler the double agent.
Read all about it here.
preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174
An intriguing read.

Posted by: JK | Sep 29 2022 9:26 utc | 284

With losing the foothold in Afghanistan after 20 years investment by US and NATO
Posted by: Oui | Sep 29 2022 9:18 utc | 282
You’re talking about chump change of no consequence whatsoever.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 9:26 utc | 285

unimperator | Sep 29 2022 9:17 utc | 280
I have watched several videos in the past of N2 pipe laying. There did not look to be internal coating and there was no video of internal coating being applied to the welded joint. The video did show the seal being applied to the outside – looked to be some sort of fuseable rubber or plastic that was built up to the same level as the concrete casing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 9:28 utc | 286

SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 9:26 utc | 286
SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 9:24 utc | 284
Your posts are sadsack fiveeyed trolling, enslaved by the ynaks propaganda
It is foolish to dismiss the long era of German – Russian co operation as short sighted simply because of the relatively recent US war declared on Russia being eeven more recently adopted by Germany, contrary to all reason and economic and political interests
Your dismissal of the recent agreements between Afghanistan and Russia as being of no interest – made possible by the bankruptcy of the US occupation – makes you appear even more foolish
Not only is this agreement a major step towards stability for Afghanistan, it is a paradigm of courageous alliance building which both Russia and China are undertaking in Asia, and beyond
This kind of politics and economics will win the war

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 29 2022 9:53 utc | 287

Sweeden reported two explosions but that must have been just the ones in their waters. Reading this both N1 and N2 have been cut in Swedish waters and both lines cut again in Denmark’s waters.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/fourth-leak-found-nord-stream-pipelines-swedish-coast-guard-says-2022-09-29/
“There are two emission sites in Sweden’s exclusive economic zone, the bigger one above the Nord Stream 1 and a smaller one by Nord Stream 2,” the coastguard said in a statement.”
“Danish authorities have also reported one hole in each of the two pipeline sections in their exclusive economic zone.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 10:14 utc | 288

Another thought..
778 million standard cubic meters is what both pipelines held in gas, according to RT:
https://www.rt.com/news/563686-denmark-nord-stream-damage-gas/
If my calculations are correct, the cubic root of 778M is roughly 1,000 meaning a volume of approx 1km3.
How much fresh water will be needed to be flushed through the pipe system in order to remove all the salt? Many multiples of that amount, one imagines.
Where is all that fresh water going to come from? Lake Baikal??
The nearest large body of water to Greifswald is 50 kms from the coast, Kummmerower See. No major rivers in that region either.
The source would then have to fall upon the Russian side, with Lake Ladoga near St Perersbug, with a total water volume of 837 km3:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Ladoga#Geography
Even if a significant portion of it will freeze over winter, I guess that ought to do it.
Thank you Russia… again.

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 29 2022 10:30 utc | 289

Re: Gerrard White @288
Idd … all border countries of Afghanistan need to have relations with Afghanistan for security and stability. India too has provoked unrest, not only due to Kashmir. See the failed mission of the Lion of Panjshir in 2001 and his assassination by Al Qaeda.
Many adjacent provincies have sought independence such as Balochistan. America failed to gain military bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan after 9/11. The bordering Chinese province Xinjiang has been the target of the West in recent years. The separatist terror group fighting for independence has the support of America as Islamic freedom fighters. This terror group is responsible for several major suicide bomb blasts in Kabul and the Kunduz mosque attack (Shia minority) in October killing over 100.
China’s Relations with Central Asian States and Problems with Terrorism – 2001/2002
China has studied Israel and security, adopted many of the security methods. Well documented for anyone reading behind the Five Eyes war narrative.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 29 2022 11:05 utc | 290

@karlof1 “Earlier it was commented that Russia has ceased gas flows through Ukraine, but I can’t find any verification in media.”
Gazprom has not yet stopped supplying gas to Ukraine, but may soon do so in the form of sanctions, according to gazprom telegram channel
Citation:
“Gazprom categorically rejects all claims of Naftohaz Ukrayiny in the initiated proceedings concerning transit of Russian gas to Europe – the services not provided by the Ukrainian side shall not and will not be paid.
Gazprom today informed the Secretariat of the International Court of Arbitration (ICA) of the International Chamber of Commerce and the acting head of Ukrainian Naftogaz.
“Ukrainian Naftogaz has refused to fulfill its transit obligations through the Sohranivka GIS without sufficient justification, and the Ukrainian company has admitted the fact of non-fulfillment of services. “Naftogaz Ukrainy” is aware that, according to the agreement of December 30, 2019, failure to fulfill obligations on its part will not result in any payment, even if Naftogaz Ukrainy claims force majeure on Ukrainian territory.
In addition, the agreement, concluded in 2019 under Swedish law, established the place of jurisdiction for the settlement of disputes between the parties – Zurich in Switzerland. Thanks to the numerous sanctions imposed on Russia, Sweden and Switzerland have risen to the category of countries unfriendly to the Russian Federation. The substantially changed circumstances deprive Gazprom of its fundamental right to a fair and impartial trial, both in the arbitration proceedings themselves and in the state courts at the seat of arbitration.
“Gazprom considers the filing of Naftogaz Ukrainy’s appeal as an unfriendly step and a continuation of the Ukrainian company’s unfair behavior, and believes that further attempts by Naftogaz Ukrainy to address the dispute before the IAC may result in the Russian authorities having every reason to impose sanctions on Naftogaz Ukrainy and place the company on the list of persons subject to sanctions. In practice, this would mean that Gazprom would not be able to fulfill its obligations to the sanctioned persons in the context of the transactions carried out, including financial transactions.

Posted by: oldwoman | Sep 29 2022 11:17 utc | 291

There have been several intractable scandals resolved since I’ve been an adult, Uganda during the Idi Amin regime, Rhodesia during the Smith regime, the north of Ireland. Little did I expect during the Solidarnosc agitation in Poland that it would culminate in a restoration of the pre-war fascist, antisemitic Second Republic. When Soviet ideologues warned of this, I poured scorn on them, now I’m cringeing with embarrassment. I couldn’t help but notice that when Amin got the push, his replacements turned out to be just as brutal which suggested that the state broadcaster and the corp-0-rat media were not trustworthy. I also found out that Mugabe is e ba gum backwards; I should have guessed that he was a secret Yorkshireman.

Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 29 2022 11:17 utc | 292

BALTOPS 22: A Perfect Opportunity for Research and Resting New Technology (Seapower, June 14, 2022)

[Image]
Lt. j.g. Chris Bianchi, assigned to Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit (EODMU) 8, prepares mock explosives for a pierside training event during exercise BALTOPS 22, June 10. U.S. NAVY / Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Daniel James Lanari

BALTIC SEA — A significant focus of BALTOPS every year is the demonstration of NATO mine hunting capabilities, and this year the U.S. Navy continues to use the exercise as an opportunity to test emerging technology, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa Public Affairs said June 14.
In support of BALTOPS, U.S. Navy 6th Fleet partnered with U.S. Navy research and warfare centers to bring the latest advancements in unmanned underwater vehicle mine hunting technology to the Baltic Sea to demonstrate the vehicle’s effectiveness in operational scenarios.
Experimentation was conducted off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, with participants from Naval Information Warfare Center Pacific, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Newport, and Mine Warfare Readiness and Effectiveness Measuring all under the direction of U.S. 6th Fleet Task Force 68.

Readout of Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin’s Call With Denmark’s Minister of Defense Morten Bødskov (U.S. Department of Defense, September 28, 2022)

Attributed to Pentagon Press Secretary Brigadier General Patrick Ryder:
Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III called Danish Minister for Defence Morten Bødskov today to discuss the recent Nord Stream pipeline explosions near the Danish island of Bornholm. Secretary Austin offered his full support to Denmark as it begins to investigate the explosions. The United States remains committed to Baltic Sea Security and its longstanding Ally, Denmark. The leaders agreed to continue to work together as this situation develops.

Posted by: S | Sep 29 2022 11:25 utc | 293

Re: by: oldwoman | Sep 29 2022 11:17 utc | 291
Gazprom contract with Hungary through Turkish pipeline one year ago. The same amount has been cut by Gazprom through Ukraine transport lines. In December 2021 Ukraine and Gazprom were negotiating a new long-term contract and were ready to sign this deal. US and UK disapproved …

Ukraine said Russia’s state-controlled energy giant Gazprom halted gas supply to Hungary via Ukraine, according to the Ukrainian Gas Transmission System Operator (GTSOU).
The move came just two days after Gazprom signed a new 15-year natural gas supply deal with Hungary, which was sharply criticized by Ukraine.
The deal is in effect from Oct. 1 (2021) when Hungary will start receiving gas via the TurkStream pipeline and other gas pipelines in South Eastern Europe, and up to 4.5 billion cubic meters of gas per year will be supplied for 15 years.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 29 2022 11:36 utc | 294

Oui | Sep 29 2022 11:05 utc | 290
Thanks for information on the context – if pipeline diplomacy is going to work the whole region will need to be stabilised, railways ditto, and etc etc : plus China has the special Muslim imperative
If anyone thinks the NS2 is important they should re think, it’s merely a lot of spilt ink

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 29 2022 11:41 utc | 295

Video
Emergency Pipeline Isolation and Repair – Subsea Midline Replacement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAmsrNECPSE

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 29 2022 11:57 utc | 296

As soon as you think it cannot get any funnier, it does:
The UK Guardian / CNN “reports”
Some European politicians suggested Russia could have carried out the blasts with the aim of causing further havoc with gas prices or demonstrating its ability to damage Europe’s energy infrastructure.
European security officials observed Russian navy support ships in the vicinity of the pipeline leaks on Monday and Tuesday, CNN reported, citing two western intelligence officials and another source familiar with the matter. The sources said it was unclear whether the ships had anything to do with the explosions.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/29/sweden-reports-fourth-nord-stream-1-2-pipeline-leak
Sources for courses…..

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 29 2022 12:04 utc | 297

I just can’t get over someone here making the following comment: “The pipelines will soon be old news irrelevant and forgotten.”
Put a time stamp on that prediction. Believes Russia will simply walk away, do nothing.
If anything at all, Russia has turned away from business with western interests and it will be the loss of that relationship which will bring the west to its knees.
And by the looks of things, very soon.
And Russia will not have done anything but “turned the other cheek.” The west just cut its jugular and LNG is not a big enough band aid to close the wound.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Sep 29 2022 12:31 utc | 298

Germany had been skewered by USA and Poland with latter hoping to be US attack dog to keep Germany in check but more likely;y simply Ukraine II awaiting that 1939 Epiphany when the Polish regime imploded and never even formed a government in exile (that was the opposition party !)
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 28 2022 11:10 utc | 31
No idea what you are saying here and I know history quite well. The whole post doesn’t make sense. Maybe when you sober up, write it again. In English.

Posted by: RB | Sep 29 2022 12:35 utc | 299

It appears that the west is executing a plan of limited warfare with Russia and China. It seems that they have determined that the payoff makes it worth the cost and the risk. And really the risk is largely not with those who call the shots. It seems also that Russia has consistently underestimated the US willingness to engage Russia in war – best done after draining it by proxy warfare. So US would advise Ukraine not to worry, they will ultimately regain what was lost.
I gather that normally in warfare, commercial activity and civilian infrastructure are not attacked – perhaps I am wrong in that.

Posted by: jared | Sep 29 2022 12:35 utc | 300