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September 01, 2022

Ukraine Tries To Prevent IAEA Inspection Of The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

Updated below (11:30 UTC)

Over night the Ukrainian military, from positions in Vyshetarasovka, Nikopol and Marganets, again shelled the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant on the south side of the Kakhovka Dnieper reservoir.


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This was fallowed by an early morning attempt by Ukrainian forces to land a sabotage group near the village north east of the ZNPP. Some seven boats, two self-motorized barges and some 60 soldiers were involved in the suicidal mission.


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The paramilitary Russian National Guard (Rosgvardiya) which protects the plant immediately detected the insertion and attacked it. The Russian army send Ka-52 attack helicopters to help destroy the Ukrainian force. The two barges were sunk.

As the little town where the troops landed is outside of power plant there is no danger to the reactors.

An inspector team under IAEA director Rafael Grossi is on its way to the ZNPP.

U.N. nuclear safety officials who are heading to Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia power plant are facing intense shelling but will continue to travel to the facility, the team's leader said Thursday.

"There has been increased military activity, including this morning — until very recently, a few minutes ago," Rafael Mariano Grossi, the director general of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said Thursday morning. But he added defiantly: "Having come so far, we are not stopping. We are moving now," despite the fact "the risks are very very high."

Grossi concluded his press statement by saying: "Wish us luck, we are moving now ... It's very important that the world knows what's happening here."

The IAEA inspectors are expected to cross the frontline between Ukrainian-held land and Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory and reach the nuclear power, Europe's largest, later on Thursday. The U.N. inspectors will continue to advance, despite the fact intense shelling has been reported by both Ukraine and Russia around Zaporizhzhia, amid fears the risks of a nuclear accident are increasing.

Update 1:

Dima of the Military Summary Channel thinks (vid) that the Ukrainian saboteur group was tasked with laying low until the inspectors arrive. It would then take over the plant and prevent the IAEA inspectors from leaving. They would then be hostages at the plant which would guarantee that the Russian side would be unable to retake the site.

If that really was the plan it was one of the craziest I ever heard off. Then again - the Ukrainian Zelenski regime is crazy and he and his advisors are former movie producers who are trained to come up with such plots.

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The Russian Ministry of Defense has said that the planned meeting point with the inspectors had come under fire from Ukrainian artillery.

Meanwhile 'western' media continue to quote the ludicrous Ukrainian claims that the Russia is shelling the power plant which is under its troops control since early March:

On Tuesday, Ukrainian officials accused Russia of shelling the path the IAEA inspectors will take to reach the plant to force the group to pass through Crimea instead. They did not provide evidence for their claims, and Russia did not directly respond to the allegation. On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said, “Russia is doing everything or even more in order to make the mission … happen, be safe, and accomplish all of its tasks.”
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“Every minute the Russian troops stay at the nuclear power plant is a risk of a global radiation disaster,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said last week.

Ukrainian officials remain worried that the Kremlin’s forces will sanitize the plant ahead of the visit and intimidate workers into not telling the truth about Russian behavior, prompting the IAEA to bless the safety protocols at the plant. That would, in effect, legitimize Russia’s occupying presence, the Ukrainians fear.

“The worst-case scenario is when they come and say it’s best that the station is under Russian control [and] in general, nuclear safety protocols are followed,” Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba told The Washington Post last week.

The nuclear inspectors were scheduled to spend the night at a hotel in Zaporizhzhia before visiting the plant first thing on Thursday morning, a spokesman for the plant said.

The U.S. military disagrees with the Ukrainian claim that Russia is shelling the ZNPP. On Monday a Pentagon background briefing touched the issue:

Q: [..] White House Strategic Communications Coordinator Kirby said earlier today that the U.S. does not have a way of -- of accounting the number of shells -- artillery shells fired around the Zaporizhzhia plant in Ukraine. I was wondering if you could give clarity on exactly what level of visibility the U.S. has on the military activity around the plant and which side is shelling at any given moment?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Yeah, I -- so what I know for sure is that the -- the Russians are firing from around the plant and, you know, I also know that there are rounds that have impacted near the plant. You know, the way that we're tracking the forces around the nuclear power plant -- it's not like there's a -- a constant -- it's hard to explain, I guess. It's not like there are forces in every square inch of the area around the plant. And so we also know that the Russians have fired in the vicinity of the plant.

And I don't want to say that the Ukrainians haven't fired in that vicinity either because I think there's probably a likelihood that they have, but in good -- in a number of cases, it's returning fire of the Russians who are firing from those locations.

... and in a number of other cases they target the power plant.

Update 2:

Here is another crazy issue. The Ukrainian Kherson offensive continues despite extremely heavy losses. The Rybar map shows one of the axes where the Ukrainian army still tries to press forward after having been rooted from Bruskyns'ke.


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The area is flat open steppe with no coverage for troops to hide. The Russian side is by far superior in artillery and has air supremacy. Whoever ordered the Ukrainians to press this suicidal campaign under these circumstance is guilty of murder and should go to prison for the rest of his life.

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Posted by b on September 1, 2022 at 10:19 UTC | Permalink

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Posted by: Dennis Math | Sep 1 2022 20:45 utc | 201

"Maybe not an unreasonable question - how do you sneak up on somebody if you're driving a barge?"

It must have been a stealth barge!!!

Posted by: JohnH | Sep 1 2022 20:46 utc | 202

Simple question.
Why hasn't Russian counter artillery wiped out any Ukrainian artillery within 50 km of the power plants!

Yes it's a huge area.
Yes they take a few shots and disappear.
But you leave tracks.
This is an enormous priority for the Russians military.
Drones constant air reconnaissance artillery tracking radar.
What am I missing?

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 1 2022 20:51 utc | 203

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 1 2022 16:35 utc | 144

As per tradition, no evidence is presented that this mini-D-Day happened.

As per the Yenwoda tradition there is zero evidence presented by Yenowda to support his fatuous assertions and zero Yenwoda evidence presented to counter the evidence presented in other MoA posts including the lead post by b. This includes photographs of the landing barges, KA-52 attack helicopters flying to the site of the landing, and a positive response from the UN: "the UN positively assessed the prevention of the Russian Federation's seizure of the NPP by Ukrainian saboteurs."

As has been said: "Keep huffing, Yenwoda." Review your bluster and dis-information while you wait for the Dnieper to give up its dead.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 1 2022 20:54 utc | 204

unimperator | Sep 1 2022 20:26 utc | 203

From Transcarpathia. Ironic that it is one of the least pro-Ukrainian regions in the west.

Posted by: Deep Woods | Sep 1 2022 20:54 utc | 205

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 1 2022 20:51 utc | 209

Probably because they shoot from the other side of the river, where Ukraine has complete ground control. They are towed artillery, can be camoflaged, set up, shoot, pack and leave. It would probably require round the clock surveillance of that uncontrolled area and actually they don't even need to shoot from the shore but further inland, and then there's also HIMARs. Zelensky team has allocated a lot of Nato provided guns and tactics in order to be shelling this particular facility.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 1 2022 20:58 utc | 206

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 1 2022 20:58 utc | 212

Thanks for the response.
And yes hills forest's plus hit and run.
I fully understand the sheer area's and variety of terrain involved.
But there's only so many bridges roads and tracks.
Maybe I'm totally naive to the realities of tracking mobile artillery.
But you'd think that Russian intelligence sources would be getting to grips with the permutations.
Again I'm asking because Im genuinely perplexed at the impunity of the shelling.

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 1 2022 21:09 utc | 207

WHY The russians always publishing some KIA numbers BUT never the corpses!?
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Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 1 2022 20:06 utc | 200

Because they do as they want and not as you want. And they do not care at all about what you think.

Yes, this reply is stupid. As much as your questions. Russia do not need "supporters" like you.

Posted by: Olivier | Sep 1 2022 21:33 utc | 208

For some reason this failed landing reminds me of the ww2 dieppe raid, the british refused to supply artillery, in this case ships guns firing offshore, because they were scared of the luftwaffe. The casualties were ten times greater in that botched landing.

Posted by: Oh | Sep 1 2022 21:33 utc | 209

Never mind. Hollywood will make a movie showing how this operation to capture the NPP was successfull and how the Russians were outplayed! With Tom Cruise in another "Mission: Impossible".

Posted by: Olivier | Sep 1 2022 21:36 utc | 210

The botched landing is strange. I can't figure out what it was supposed to achieve. Did they want to prevent the inspectors from getting into the NPP?
I thought they were keen to get the 'international community' more involved.

The Russians obviously see some advantage to having the inspectors in there. More shelling at this point could only make Ukies look bad.

Posted by: dh | Sep 1 2022 21:42 utc | 211

@https://rogerboyd.substack.com

One theory is that they were going to occupy the nuclear plant and take the IAEA people hostage, then say that they are defending the plant against the nasty Russians. Would be very tricky for Russia to try and take it back, and a "success" for Zelensky.

Question is - were the inspectors in on it?

Posted by: Roger | Sep 1 2022 21:50 utc | 212

dh | Sep 1 2022 21:42 utc | 219

The entire purpose of the IAEA is to ensure that civilian nuclear power is not being used to develop nuclear weapons. Russia already has thousands of nuclear weapons. Ukraine does not.

Preventing access triggers a de facto assumption that the nuclear power plant is being used to develop nuclear weapons. Ukraine objects to the IAEA visiting. Then it insists entering from Ukraine territory, where the inspectors are vulnerable. Then it launched a foolhardy attack on the plant. Do the math.

Russia has held the plant since March. In that time it has likely discovered which of the workers had knowledge of the missing fissable nuclear material, who they reported to in the Ukrainian government, and other facts of note. Their digitally filmed interrogations will be made available to the inspectors.

Posted by: Scott R | Sep 1 2022 22:00 utc | 213

Zelensky’s Desperate Step: Why Kiev’s Sabotage Groups Tried to Seize the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant

https://www.stalkerzone.org/zelenskys-desperate-step-why-kievs-sabotage-groups-tried-to-seize-the-zaporozhye-nuclear-power-plant/

Of course, Kiev today is not very interested in having foreign specialists present on the territory of the nuclear power plant who are able to record who is firing near and directly at the station itself. It is not by chance that the Russian side insisted that the mission include ballistics experts who are able to distinguish “they fired at themselves” from terrorist attacks from the other side of the Dnieper (which is still under Kiev’s control).

Along the way, experts could identify massive violations in the technological chain of nuclear power plants, which appeared long before the arrival of Russia. To be more precise – exactly at the moment when Kiev decided to abandon Russian fuel in favour of the design assemblies of Westinghouse Electric. There are big questions about the modernisation of the station for this “upgrade”. As well as to the storage of spent nuclear fuel. And then, you see, plans to create some kind of “dirty bomb” would be revealed, which even the most biased delegation would be difficult to silence.

There is only one way out – Kiev needed to control the work of the IAEA exactly within the framework that is beneficial to Ukraine. That is, either to seize the nuclear power plant, or to disrupt the visit of specialists. Such a desperate step by Zelensky’s command in an attempt to hide the truth about the shelling

Posted by: why | Sep 1 2022 22:04 utc | 214

@220 and 221 Your theories both make sense. I have another one. Maybe the Ukies were hoping that some inspectors would get killed in the cross fire. That would trigger an international outrage and demands for Russian withdrawal. The MSM could milk it for weeks.

Posted by: dh | Sep 1 2022 22:06 utc | 215

That Brit tree surgeon/medic had two daughters. Even if he wasn't fighting on the wrong side, damn foolish to go out there when you have children. Different if he was Ukrainian or Russian,

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 1 2022 22:06 utc | 216

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 1 2022 21:09 utc | 213

"Maybe I'm totally naive to the realities of tracking mobile artillery?"

Yes.

Posted by: Haassaan | Sep 1 2022 22:29 utc | 217

The Usa had become expert in debacle... After Afghanistan we are not witness of another debacle in Ukraine orchestrated by the same directors of the afghanistan disastrous exit. The difference is that this time Ukrainian dead will be all over.. a veritable slaughter house organized by the USA to 'save' western values...
The tragedy of the west cowardice in sending the ukrainians to die alone to protect Europe will never be forgotten
the blood of these ukrainians will haunt Europe for ever the western criminals who allowed this tragedy to happen will be judged and damned.

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 1 2022 22:34 utc | 218

@nwwoods #206, I do try, but will never be able to top the weaponized copium purity of believing the Clobber List, that "slow is best", and that "Kyiv was a feint"

@Sushi #210, so we have two images of barges, neither "sunk" as claimed by RU MoD. The one with smoke looks identical to the ones in the "barge bridge(s)" that Russia was trying to build to get around knocked out bridges. Of course it could just be a common type/color for the area - if you have a solid geolocation I'd be interested to see it. Pictures of helicopters flying isn't proof of anything. The UN did not in fact issue a statement about any attempt to seize the plant, that's just a dishonest spin from some telegram channel on their statement about a nonspecific uptick in military activity.

B is very close to figuring things out by calling the "plan" the craziest he's ever heard, but instead of getting to the reasonable conclusion he decides that Ukraine - which defeated the world's second army in the north and has fought them to a standstill in Donbas, actually has a General Staff of movie producers who can't resist a good pulp spy plot.

Obviously, it makes zero sense that Ukraine wanted to storm the plan while IAEA is there, losing tons of credibility in the process. There's no actual reason they would want to stop the inspection, but if they did a much easier option would be prevent the inspectors from entering the Grey Zone - they came through Ukrainian territory, at Ukraine's invitation (and were blocked until now by Russia, not Ukraine).

And how do you "lay low" after grounding a couple of barges against a shoreline, anyway? It would be legendary malpractice for Russia not to keep a close watch on the water. And big, slow barges provide zero chance of exit if/when discovered. So it's a one-way ticket for 60, or 140, or however many they've settled on, with zero chance of landing undiscovered, in territory that is fully controlled by a heavy enemy presence. Yeah, no.

I think there are a few options for what really happened:
- the whole thing is made up, barges are from elsewhere, maybe HIMARS'd from Russia's "barge bridge"
- Ukraine tried a small SOF raid in fast boats that may or may not have been interdicted and Russia is exaggerating. Could have been trying to get supplies to partisans, targeting a radar, etc.
- Ukraine launched a couple of empty barges toward Energodar to try and scare up some enemy aviation for MANPADS practice or reveal firing positions of shore defenses

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 1 2022 22:37 utc | 219

@ why | Sep 1 2022 22:04 utc | 222 with the stalkerzone link and scenario....interesting

There is palpable desperation in the air and the Yenwoda screed above screams of it.

As an old-time MoA barfly, it is quite interesting to watch the newbie barflys come through, spew their shit and leave. Bernhard's addition of the sockpuppeteering warning reminds me how much effort this blog takes and we all need to send b more money so he can stay warm this winter.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2022 22:50 utc | 220

@Mike R | Sep 1 2022 12:42 utc | 49:

"Why didn't the IAEA inspectors come to the site via Crimea with escort from Russia, instead of having to go through a line of contact by transiting from Ukraine? The trip would have been far less hazardous, and their arrival could have been hidden."

I suspect that it is related to common processes within the framework of international standards.

The area of ​​​​the nuclear power plant and the NPP itself belong to Ukraine under international law, which is why the IAEA needs permission from Kyiv to visit the area and why the group was forced to travel through the front line of the conflicting parties. Apparently the Ukrainian government insisted on the usual procedure. If Kyiv had allowed the experts to travel to the NPP via Russia, they could probably have been there months ago. After all, some journalists were already there.

This gave the Selensky government control over when experts from the IAEA could be allowed to visit the nuclear power plant, since a trip could be canceled at any time due to safety concerns. It wasn't Moscow that hindered a visit. [However, Moscow and the IAEA would always publicly announce such a trip (via Russia) and never keep it secret].

Posted by: Konrad | Sep 1 2022 22:55 utc | 221

If wannabe Churchill Boris had anything to do with the planning, then we Aussies can assume stupidity.

It may surprise those not from Australia that we have a national holiday to celebrate an appalling DEFEAT. The idiot Churchill ordered an attack by the ANZAC (included New Zealand) on the hills of Gallipoli. in an attempt to secure the Bosphorus. Thousand died, many were shelled as they landed. Those that made it to land dug in into trenches where they spent months failing to climb the hillside. Somehow this latest debacle by Britain seems very similar- "Send out the colonials don't you know, to be the attack force. They are expendable."

Posted by: watcher | Sep 1 2022 23:04 utc | 222

Simple question.
Why hasn't Russian counter artillery wiped out any Ukrainian artillery within 50 km of the power plants!

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 1 2022 20:51 utc | 209

Civilians and uncertainty.

One thing you should have noticed (even only using pro ukraine accounts) is how the russians are using their artillery.

When there is a suspected group of pro ukraine forces in the area and the russians are not sure of where they are precisely... they barrage the shit out of the entire area and narrow down.

Basically start big and flatten everything then begin to concentrate fire as they localise their targets. (it's one of the reasons as to why Ukraine's insistence of reinforcing known positions is suicide for conscripts ~ the artillery has those locations on speed dial, they know where you are going)

You can take advantage of that strategy. Park your mobile launch tubes between 2 houses. Fire and scoot. If the Russians retaliate both of those houses (and everyone in them obviously) are dead.

As such in order for the russians to retaliate against highly mobile artillery they need to either see them arrive at a launching position (drones and a 2k25) and kill them before they move again *or* know where that position will be before hand and dial in the arrival time.

A good example of this is the 2k25 (krasnopol) weapons system. The munitions are guided by laser. (drones or infantry) You need to see your target and track it with a laser to shoot it.

Posted by: S.O. | Sep 1 2022 23:21 utc | 223


Ukrainian leadership tightens censorship as counterattack on Kherson fails

The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has issued new regulations on reporting from the frontline: journalists and mass media are forbidden to evaluate the actions of the Ukrainian Army and the Ukrainian Defense Forces as a whole. In addition, according to the new rules, an alternative interpretations of the current situation at the frontline and their forecasts about the course of combat actions are not allowed – only the Ukrainian Armed Forces can provide information about it.

Readovka || 31.08.2022

Posted by: YK | Sep 1 2022 23:57 utc | 224

"...were the inspectors in on it?" Roger@220
Maybe not all were but the IAEA must have been, unless it has registered very clear and angry complaints of what would seem to have been, whatever else might have been intended, an attempt to use the visit to the plant as cover for an attack.
Has the IAEA complained? Has the Security Council disassociated itself from the attack?
I suspect not which means either that the IAEA knew of the plan or that it has given Zelensky carte blanche to do as he chooses with their permission.
And then who were the security detail with the IAEA team? If they were Ukrainian it beggars belief that they were not informed of the plan.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 2 2022 0:06 utc | 225

This is one of the most bizarre events of the war.

Not much to add but apparently the barges used are a common model used for transport on the Dneiper. So they may have been hoping they would be seen as some civilian traffic long enough to get ashore and land the troops.

That Boris and MI6 were behind this I can well believe. This is a consequence of a political economy incentivising the most brazen and reckless narcicissts in the hope that their “creativity” will fix the structural problems of the imperialist core. Magical thinking.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 2 2022 0:08 utc | 226

@234 'Magical thinking." Exciting too. Kind of like the Boy's Own Annual one used to read in the dorms.

Posted by: dh | Sep 2 2022 0:27 utc | 227

dh | Sep 1 2022 22:06 utc | 223
Read this very thread … and follow the telegram links.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 0:29 utc | 228

A reply to TTG over at Colonel Lang's site after he,in the latest post, called the Russians sons of bitches and another earthy name. My comment in quotes. Reposted here as I am sure some readers here will echo my sentiments and opinion expressed.


"Well TTG, I guess we will have to wait and see whether the Ukrainians can evict, as you put it, the "swinging dicks" from their land. You must admit it may be a difficult task to de"dick" them, as Mr Kalibre, Mr Kinzhal and literally countless artillery shells and grads will be coming their way to stop the procedure.
My guess is when the dust and blood spray settles, the "swinging dicks" will prevail.

Pardon the earthy post, but you did bring the pejorative to the discussion first."

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 2 2022 0:40 utc | 229

Another great interview with Jacques Baud about Ukraine
HREF="https://www.thepostil.com/our-latest-interview-with-jacques-baud/">

Posted by: Yuri | Sep 2 2022 0:57 utc | 230

@237 'Read this very thread … and follow the telegram links.'

I'm sure you're trying to helpful but I don't care to join the wonderful telegram community. And I have no cell phone anyway. Just joining facebook was traumatic for me.

Posted by: dh | Sep 2 2022 1:08 utc | 231

Some Telegram posts claimed that Ukraine's goal regarding the NPP is to get a share of its electricity.

I think Russia should give that to them. It should promise that Ukraine will keep getting a share of its production. That will give Ukraine a stake in the enterprise. And it gives Russia an opportunity to cut electricity for a day or two when Ukraine misbehaves.

Posted by: Wim | Sep 2 2022 2:29 utc | 232

The main difference between Syria and Ukraine is that this is not a war between USUKIS and Russia. Russia's military and diplomatic dominance was established , created even, by the stupidity of USUKIS in fighting for oil in SyriaLibyaSomaliaetcboring at all.

The West's complete illegality and reckless, destructive violence, using terrorists to terrify the citizens of sovereign countries ìs fully acknowledged as well. Rah rahh for our SAS boys.

The integral involvement of Israel is also established, in Ukraine at the highest level. This is a Condoned war. Russia knows everything about diplomatic spooks like IEAI, Gonks like BoJo, Pimps like Jellybaby, facts like Luke Harding.
All these factors are well understood by Mr Putin.

The only difference in Ukraine is the Bsltic States plan to divide and rule Europe, thebplan to share the spoils of the Chinese railway between Putin's spherical Biden's sphere if influence.

Plundering and privatising Ulkraine is a joint opportunity. Don't forget Bobop I.e. Israel.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 2 2022 2:43 utc | 233

Sorry about the typos, I was racibg the clock. My point is that this war is mutually planned by Biden and Putin, using time tested proxy terror methodology to fool us peeps , while the big guys carve up Europe between themselves.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 2 2022 2:58 utc | 234

There are reports that at 6 AM 7 boats with 60 Ukrainian commandos landed in the area marked on post map, were spotted (or likely the Russians were informed) and liquidated, with 3 prisoners taken. The 2 motorized barges with a battalion of commandos (number of individuals stated as a battalion) left at 7 AM with the intent to disembark directly adjacent to the power plant but both barges were destroyed in the water. Complete disaster.

Posted by: Brian Simpson | Sep 2 2022 2:59 utc | 235

Brian Simpson | Sep 2 2022 2:59 utc | 245
Hey Brian. Whaddabout reading the 240 posts prior to yours.
You’re a day late… and contribute zip.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 3:02 utc | 236

Rafael MarianoGrossi. @rafaelmgrossi
https://twitter.com/rafaelmgrossi
“””I am finishing my first visit to #Ukraine’s #Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant. @IAEAorg is here to stay and will maintain a continued presence at #ZNPP

https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/1565383377842216963
Vid: Rafael Grossi, the chief of International Atomic Energy Agency, said “We are not going anywhere. IAEA is now at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant & it's not moving. It's going to stay there. We're going to have a continued presence at the plant.”

This tweet has vid of inspectors inspecting. Russian military vehicles are on site..in the positions like in the “secret” vid on twitter weeks back….
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1565355885068681216

The Kyiv Independent
Lithuania suggests sending UN Police to Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.
Arunas Paulauskas, a senior Lithuanian police official, said that the UN police corps could ensure the security of a long-term mission of the UN nuclear agency at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 3:03 utc | 237

dh | Sep 2 2022 1:08 utc | 240
No need to join. Many posts are accessible.
I don’t join anything. Mostly lurk.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 3:05 utc | 238

Objective Observer @85

Astute observation, as per not unusual.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 2 2022 3:13 utc | 239

This guy, History Legends, does an astonishingly good and in depth analysis of the Ukraine offensive. A breath of fresh air after having to endure all these crypto birchers bitching about CRT and moaning on about "americans burning their own cities," and prattling on about "savages", also coming up with endless excuses about "Saddam" and soft supporting genocidal Thai military sex tourists in Thailand. And for the love of god, Stop recommending I watch Tucker Carlson dude. I mean it's sad.

Y'all know who you TF are, and your schtick is increasingly tired and lame. Try to step it up please. Have a nice day.

Ukraine War Update | KHERSON Offensive falls FLAT

Posted by: Tom Huck | Sep 2 2022 3:16 utc | 240

@ Giyane | Sep 2 2022 2:58 utc | 244

that theory has been bandied about here before too... i personally don't buy into it...

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2022 3:18 utc | 241

@ morongobill | Sep 2 2022 0:40 utc | 238

you need to do yourself a favour and ween yourself off that crack shit at pat langs... cheers...

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2022 3:19 utc | 242

@ Biloski | Sep 2 2022 3:19 utc | 253

i don't get that message in your last link... you making that up?

cbc makes no mention of anything around this event... i guess they are relying on the wire services to provide the proper spin for tomorrow... silence is golden apparently..

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2022 3:40 utc | 243

unimperator | Sep 1 2022 20:26 utc | 203
> 128th mountain brigade
Deep Woods | Sep 1 2022 20:54 utc | 211
> Transcarpathia

@RussiansWithAttitude:
“……What do you do with an elite infantry unit like the 128th Mountain Assault Brigade? Right, send them into a pointless attack through flat steppes with no air or artillery support, then declare a day of mourning in their whole home region over the heavy losses they suffered...”
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1565443435301146624?cxt=HHwWgMC80dSgybkrAAAA

Also on telegram.. vid: lines of people in Transcarpathia waiting in corridor to donate blood for wounded…other posts detailing the huge loses….. Seems to have really shaken the region. (Understandably).

Lavrov: Any attacks on the Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria will be seen as an attack on Russia. (Also on telegram).
……| [so Ukies + (Moldovians) can forget about revenge on a “soft” target]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 3:47 utc | 244

@ Posted by: james | Sep 2 2022 3:40 utc | 254

Check the date, your sarcasm detector is broken.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 2 2022 3:47 utc | 245

thanks.. of course it is friday morning in ukraine too...

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2022 3:55 utc | 246

Yuri | Sep 2 2022 0:57 utc | 239

Thanks for this link

Jacques Baud writes very clearly - and reveals the confusions and hypocrisies of the 'Western' war - the apt comparison between western sanctions against the people of Russia and Islamic State tactics in France

The description of Nato's and Ukraine's behaviour as consciously 'suicidal' rejoins other comments about double think being their core thought process

Posted by: Gerrard White | Sep 2 2022 4:27 utc | 247

A very British hero: "An inoperable cyst near his brain meant he failed a medical examination to join the British Army, and he became a landscape gardener and a tree surgeon.
After an accident involving a chainsaw left him in constant pain, he decided to volunteer to join the Ukrainian war effort as a medic leaving the UK on March 24."

As war makes us less sensitive, this reminded me a cartoon caption "Walking disaster meets disaster going to happen".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 2 2022 4:57 utc | 248

What is this "international law" - is there in fact such a thing? Law exists only to extent it is writen and enforceable and enforced.

Posted by: jared | Sep 1 2022 14:52 utc | 96

Well, Figleaf23 did a good job of responding to your somewhat cynical response to me. You very well know that there are treaties, conventions, agreements, and court cases that are considered to be International Law. The UN Charter itself provides the basis for much of the International Law that regulates or provides some boundaries for the interaction between nations and the citizens of those nations.

Whether something is rightfully considered 'the law' has been discussed in depth by many experts in jurisprudence. HLA Hart and Lon Fuller have expressed their feelings about what makes the law or justice. From Austin's idea that justice is simply executing the laws passed by the sovereign to Dworkin's "law works itself pure"...legal theorists have certainly pondered the notions that you hint at in your short missive. I find Lon Fuller's notion of the eight desiderata of the law a solid way of determining what is the law. Fuller's desiderata are, roughly, that in order for legal rules to be considered 'the law' they must be:"(1) sufficiently general, (2) publicly promulgated, (3) prospective (i.e., applicable only to future behavior, not past), (4) at least minimally clear and intelligible, (5) free of contradictions, (6) relatively constant, so that they don't continuously change from day to day, (7) possible to obey, and (8) administered in a way that does not wildly diverge from their obvious or apparent meaning." (cited from Wikipedia which cited Fuller's The Morality of Law - I couldn't find my copy quickly enough so I have resorted to academic shortcuts)

Your point that laws must be enforceable and enforced connects to Fuller's 8th desideratum - that laws must be administered with fidelity to their meaning and purpose to be legitimate. To that end, I will admit that the enforceability of international law is not consistent. Unlike the administering of the law in a nation-state which is sovereign unto itself with the police power necessary to enforce the law within its boundaries, international law does not have such easily used enforcement mechanisms. The only legal "police power" is the UN Security Council which has rarely been able to use that power. Lack of enforcement, in and of itself, does not mean that 'law' does not exist because the law operates differently inside of sovereigns than between them.

So, while I appreciate your point that International Law does not seem to exist because it lacks the tyrannical enforcement power of the nation-state, it does meet, in my opinion, and without going into a much too long explication, the basic requirements of the 8 desiderata necessary for something to be considered law.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Sep 2 2022 5:09 utc | 249

Still nothing in the western MSM and in the other eastern unfriendly MSM on Tuesday morning.

Posted by: rp | Sep 2 2022 7:12 utc | 250

Biloski | Sep 2 2022 3:19 utc | 253
Haha. You got me. ^
However, you prompted me to scroll thru @rafaelmgrossi twitter back to Aug 1.
Rafael MarianoGrossi …..What a piece of work…
The Sept 1 Zerg-rush on Zaporizhzhia…. my conjecture… planning started at the NYC 10th anniversary meeting of….#NPTRevCon (Nuclear Nonproliferation and Disarmament con{job}).
|When did NATO shelling of ZapNPP start? Intensify? ]

Grossi, Aug2:
“I am about to address the 10th #NPTRevCon; IAEA plays an indispensable role in the implementation of the NPT Treaty and has a key role in world peace and security. “

Aug2: Has meetings and sidelines with:
Australia [rep a no consequence senator]
Blinken [discuss Iran + Ukraine] Aug 3 Granholm (US Energy Secretary)
Guterres (Secretary-General of the UN)
UK(rep MP Graham Stuart. Minister for Europe at FCDO.(Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office) [His twitter feed a rich field of fodder for my conjectures]
Szijjarto: Hungary Foreign Minister
Bertoux: French director for strategic affairs, security and disarmament at the french ministry for europe and foreign affairs,
Baerbock: Germany. Grossi tweets: “Excellent first in-person meeting with @ABaerbock of @GermanyDiplo. We discussed #nonproliferation issues, including verification in #Iran, as well as the war in #Ukraine and its impact on nuclear safety and security. We will work together on these crucial issues”

August 3:
Granholm (US Energy Secretary)
FuCong: China Foreign Ministry
Voronkov: Russian. Under-Secretary-General of the United Nations Office of Counter-Terrorism.
Grossi tweet re meeting: “Preventing nuclear terrorism and maintaining nuclear security are common goals of @iaeaorg and @UN_OCT” [Only meeting with mention of “nuclear terrorism”]
Japan: #Hiroshima Governor Yuzaki
Netherlands: DutchMFA Thijs van der Plas.
Grossi tweet: “War, waged in the vicinity of nuclear plants, presents a grave danger to nuclear safety and security. At an #NPTRevCon side event I had the opportunity to explain the seven pillars, repeatedly violated as a consequence of war in #Ukraine.”
“Was an honour to share the stage with President @ignaziocassis of Switzerland; @SantiagoCafiero. of #Argentina; @ARakhmetullin of #Kazakhstan; Angeles Moreno Bau of @SpainMFA; Thijs van der Plas of
@DutchMFA and @jenkinsbd of the #usa.
[Now. Is this ^ a coven capable of calamity and calumny? I think yes].

And voila, Aug 4 on Grossi twitter:
Pamela Falk CBS News Correspondent United Nations. @PamelaFalk #Breaking NuclearChief @rafaelmgrossi to @CBSNews “what an inspection visit needs
#ALERT: "If an accident occurs at #Zaporizhzhia NuclearPowerPlant, we will not have a natural disaster to blame — we will have only ourselves to answer to"
https://cbsnews.com/news/blinken-russia-ukraine-nuclear-plant-zaporizhzhia-equivalent-of-a-human-shield/
^^^This is the first mention in Gossi thread of ZapNPP. Why wasn’t it an issue in the Aug 1+2+3 meetings. It’s suddenly an issue Aug 4… after days of huddles by all the usual suspects..

By Aug7 the Mighty Wurlitzer begins to crank into action:
William Alberque @walberque Quote: ⁦@rafaelmgrossi⁩ is the right man in the right job at the right time, highlighting the nuclear power-related dangers of Russia’s war against Ukraine. Good fella. ENDS
<<|William Alberque. @walberque. Hi! I’m the Director of Strategy, Technology and Arms Control for IISS, working in the IISS-Europe office, based in Berlin|<<
Aug 7:
Grossi tweets (with Action Team/ pic)
“The ⁦@iaeaorg team must go to Zaporizhia just as we did to Chornobyl and South Ukraine earlier in the year. We can put together a safety, security and safeguards mission and deliver the indispensable assistance and impartial assessment that is needed.”

Aug 12:
I am about to address the #UNSC about nuclear safety and security at #Zaporizhzya nuclear power plant in #Ukraine. Follow live tweets of my intervention via @iaeaorg or watch the stream:
> I’ve told #UNSC today that the situation at #Zaporizhzya NPP was alarming. Military actions jeopardizing nuclear safety and security must stop immediately. An @iaeaorg mission would allow us to carry out needed technical activities and provide a stabilizing influence.

Aug 24:
Important technical discussions today in Istanbul on @IAEAorg imminent mission to #Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant.
Aug 25. Meets with Macron. Tweets:
“Timely and focused meeting with @EmmanuelMacron today on the iminent
@IAEAorg visit to #Ukraine's Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant — thank you for your constant support and efforts to make this crucial mission a reality.

Aug 26:
To face global health challenges, cooperation and collaboration are key. Excellent meeting with @WHO Director General @DrTedros this morning on the situation in #Ukraine and joint efforts in tackling zoonotic diseases and addressing #CancerCare4All through Rays of Hope.
[He put “Ukraine” and “zoonotic diseases” in the same tweet]

Grossi retweets: MFA Slovenia. @MZZRS
Minister @tfajon spoke with Director of the International Atomic Energy Agency @rafaelmgrossi expressing concern over the #Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant. Nuclear safety is our priority and #Slovenia strongly supports #IAEA and its expert mission.

Retweets:
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. @DrTedros
Had a phone call with @rafaelmgrossi to discuss @IAEAorg's mission to #Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant & how @WHO can support in assessing the health risks.

Aug 27.
Proving Erdogan is a spider at the centre of a entangled web, Gossi tweets:
“Türkiye is an important @IAEAorg partner across the spectrum of our work. A warm welcome to Ambassador Levent Eler, with whom I discussed the country's nuclear power programme, safeguards capacity building, and other areas of cooperation.”

Aug 29
The day has come, @IAEAorg Support and Assistance Mission to #Zaporizhzhya (ISAMZ) is now on its way. We must protect the safety and security of #Ukraine’s and Europe’s biggest nuclear facility. Proud to lead this mission which will be in #ZNPP later this week.

Aug 31
Gossi retweets @suspilne_news The @iaeaorg mission headed by the agency's general director @rafaelmgrossi met with @ZelenskyyUa
in #Kyiv. The President of #Ukraine hopes that the mission will get to the #ZaporizhzhiaNPP through security corridors and will do everything "to avoid a global threat”.

September 2: [looking dishevelled v the dapper diplomat of those cosy Aug NYC tête-à-têtes:]
“I am finishing my first visit to #Ukraine’s #Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant.
@IAEAorg is here to stay and will maintain a continued presence at #ZNPP.”

Yep. Imma thinking the mi6 Zerg-rush of ZapNPP was brewed from the sidelines of that NYC coven.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 7:23 utc | 251

Posted by: Biloski | Sep 2 2022 6:09 utc | 261

Satire. Don't they have that in Canada?

Non.
Seul Poutine

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 2 2022 7:30 utc | 252

azmilitary1 telegram
Zelensky has already accused the IAEA on two counts: "they did not protect journalists of independent media" - Ukrainian journalists and a number of Western ones did not enter the territory of the NPP; he also accused the IAEA of not helping him take control of the station (it gives a lot of energy, and it will be very bad without it): the IAEA they have not spoken out once about the need for Russian troops to leave the territory of the station, "namely, demilitarization is our main goal." Apparently, something did not work out for Ukraine with the IAEA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 8:17 utc | 253

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 8:17 utc | 265

Since USSR build this nuclear facility and it has VVER reactors I think, the Russians are best able to discuss the corrosion they have detected in key components.

Ukraine should explain why this facility has not had Safety Inspections for 16 years !!!!!!

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 2 2022 8:44 utc | 254

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 2 2022 8:17 utc | 265

Intel Slava Z

"Kiev tried to introduce its spies under the guise of journalists into the IAEA delegation at the Zapaorozhye NPP"

Posted by: Goingo | Sep 2 2022 8:49 utc | 255

Some Telegram posts claimed that Ukraine's goal regarding the NPP is to get a share of its electricity.

I think Russia should give that to them. It should promise that Ukraine will keep getting a share of its production. That will give Ukraine a stake in the enterprise. And it gives Russia an opportunity to cut electricity for a day or two when Ukraine misbehaves.

Posted by: Wim | Sep 2 2022 2:29 utc | 241

AFAIK, no can do. If RF engineers “synchronise” the ZNPP generators with the Russian grid power AC phase, so it can supply power to the RF-allied areas, it cannot then provide power to the Ukrainian sectors, which are now synchronised with the EU-wide electricity grid.

All or nothing, so nothing it is. Also, AFAIK, at power-station current levels, there is no practical way to bridge the two out-of-phase grids to provide Ukraine’s gurning, terror-fascist fruitcakes with whatever it is they imagine they’re entitled to.

There’s also the question of all the other nuclear sites and NPPs in Ukraine (oldhippie gives a summary of these in a previous comment). It goes without saying that not a scrap of nuclear material can remain in Ukrainian hands, even if the whole place is taken over by their military.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 2 2022 8:51 utc | 256

Just pray this one is not as corrupt as the other heads of Energoatom

https://holtecinternational.com/products-and-services/smr/about-us/advisory-council/petro-kotin/

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 2 2022 8:52 utc | 257

Posted by: Haassaan | Sep 1 2022 22:29 utc | 225

That's why I'm asking!

Posted by: S.O. | Sep 1 2022 23:21 utc | 231

"Civiliiand uncertainty "
Thanks for the details of the difficulties S.O

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 2 2022 9:00 utc | 258

"according to the new rules, an alternative interpretations of the current situation at the frontline and their forecasts about the course of combat actions are not allowed – only the Ukrainian Armed Forces can provide information about it.

Readovka || 31.08.2022"

Posted by: YK | Sep 1 2022 23:57 utc | 232


All that comes to mind at this point is Comical Ali

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 2 2022 9:24 utc | 259

Report on TV Germany

Ruling party FTP wants to build Nord Stream II back, i.e. tear it down. So that claims to open these are taken as a preventive measure!
So far, no protests have been heard from the population.
You really need to be afraid of Rebellion in the Winder?

Posted by: mo3 | Sep 2 2022 9:34 utc | 260

watcher | Sep 1 2022 23:04 utc | 230

There were thousands of British troops at Gallipoli too. One of my relatives among them. His battalion lost half its men. The Lancashire Fusiliers lost 600 out of a thousand.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 2 2022 9:36 utc | 261

Are there any media reports (msm or alternative) about the ukrainian special OP involving the barges?

Posted by: Moses | Sep 2 2022 9:40 utc | 262

media in Germany
Yes, it is mentioned in passing but presented as a rumor because Zelenski does not confirm anything!

Posted by: mo3 | Sep 2 2022 9:43 utc | 263

I am somewhat confused. These reactors are Russian VVER reactors designed to be used with Soviet fuel rods. Yet they have been "converted" to use US (Westinghouse) copies of Russian fuel rods whatever implications that may hold.

Yet the USA is dependent on Russia for supplies of uranium to keep its own nuclear program afloat !

US has also a lack of nuclear engineers because nuclear plants were not being built and the generation of nuclear engineers available was going through natural demographic wastage

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 2 2022 10:15 utc | 265


Posted by: mario2 | Sep 1 2022 13:18 utc | 60

"How is western media so perfectly controled?
how they do it?"

Good question mario.

I noticed the mechanism in my first job. They all know the party line on autopilot. Otherwise they lose their job.

The trouble is rival publications do not co-ordinate their lies. The lies are easy to notice, even numbers are contradictory and exaggerated in their zeal to please the editors.

This mentality extends to press agencies and their reportage. There are no end of names to call dissenters.

That's why the powers that be hate the internet and want to control its content. Some burnt books. today they imprison authors.

Posted by: Paul | Sep 2 2022 10:24 utc | 266

@ Paul Greenwood

The US ist dependent on the enrichment facilities of Russia (43% world share), not so much on the supply of Uranium itself.

https://theconversation.com/russias-energy-clout-doesnt-just-come-from-oil-and-gas-its-also-a-key-nuclear-supplier-179444

Posted by: Goingo | Sep 2 2022 10:25 utc | 267

A video with reaction from UN:

https://www.rt.com/russia/562010-un-thanks-russia-nuclear-safety/

They don't admit anything had happened. If it did and assuming the meetup with Zelinsky before was unscheduled, one might indeed further think, the IAEA is in on it.

Still I would like more proof of the whole event than just this one barge photo..

Posted by: C | Sep 2 2022 10:28 utc | 268

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 2 2022 10:15 utc | 270

I read somewhere - cannot recall where, but only the Zaporizhia had the possibility of using Westinghouse fuel rods and even that was on a trial basis.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 2 2022 10:33 utc | 269

Posted by: mario2 | Sep 1 2022 13:18 utc | 60

Posted by: Paul | Sep 2 2022 10:24 utc | 271

In German TV some years ago two political cabaret artists shed a light on the mechanisms. Brilliant work. They got sued and won. They showed in detail that the most important journalists of the most important outlets all are deeply "embedded" in NATO-Propaganda structures like Atlantikbrücke, German Marshall Fund, Council in foreign Relations,...

Great fun to watch if you understand German:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uelj8Hjf_0c

From:
https://mmm.verdi.de/beruf/seltsame-netzwerke-2581


In the ZDF programme "Die Anstalt" on 29 April, the cabaret artists Max Uthoff and Claus von Wagner took a close look at the involvement of several well-known top journalists in the numerous US lobby networks in this country. Such as: Josef Joffe and Jochen Bittner, publisher and foreign affairs editor of Die Zeit, for example. Or Stefan Kornelius, foreign policy editor of the Süddeutsche Zeitung, as well as other top staff of the FAZ and Welt. In satirical form, the programme posed the question of the extent to which journalists were still able to report independently at all in view of this entanglement of interests.

The two cabaret artists Wagner and von Uthoff, however, are not the only actors who drew the ire of the NATO insiders. The media scientist Uwe Krüger also got to feel what it can mean to mess with those who have an interest in concealing their lobbyist activities behind the scenes from a public that has become suspicious. And the connection that exists between intensive transatlantic contact cultivation and its journalistic output. For this is precisely the subject of Krüger's dissertation "Meinungsmacht - Der Einfluss von Eliten und Leitmedien auf Alpha-Journalisten" (Power of Opinion - The Influence of Elites and Leading Media on Alpha Journalists).


Posted by: Moses | Sep 2 2022 10:43 utc | 270

Figleaf23 | Sep 1 2022 16:28 utc | 137
‘British common law is not codified, but gleaned through the aggregate of judicial decisions over time.
And the inability to enforce a law doesn't mean it doesn't exist.’

In my view British common law has been deliberately manipulated, distorted and concocted using the stare decisis mechanism so that corrupt judiciaries operating that system are able to make decisions that suit covert societal controllers.

Moreover, such selective enforcement of law is not only corrupt, it has also facilitated authoritarian governance to the point of virtual totalitarianism.

Also, the evil genius of the Westminster system of endless statute law creation combined with the doctrine of ignorance of the law being ‘no excuse’, enables lawyers and judiciaries to massage fact and opinion to ensure judicial results that satisfy societal controllers.

Laws are said to be sets of rules that are created and enforceable by social or governmental institutions to regulate behavior. It follows that if governmental and social institutions cannot enforce a law it doesn’t exist.

Similarly, if an ‘international law’ is more honoured in the breach than the observance, it isn’t a law it is caprice, exercised intermittently by force.

Arguably war crimes and crimes against humanity are breaches of natural law. In effect such transgressions distort the energetic fabric of the material universe i.e.the energetic frequencies that sustain the physical universe in existence and balance. Natural laws, aka moral laws, are therefore governed and enforced by invisible and unavoidable universal energetic frequencies (resulting in karmic and planetary upheavals?) that are not always acknowledged, understood or accepted by human individuals and societies.

Posted by: Ron Chapman | Sep 2 2022 10:56 utc | 271

Melaleuca @240

As the Lithuanians have a pack of hounds in the fight, they have no agency in this issue whatsoforever.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 2 2022 11:19 utc | 272

Paul @271

In the U$$A, the mass media of misinformation and general mindfuckery is in the hands of no more than six major corporations. These monopoly institutions are owned by an ethnicity whose name cannot be mentioned in "polite" society. They all receive their marching-orders from the same control nexus. Primary international news distribution system is a proprietary of the world's largest crime-clan. Reuters is run out of City of London.

World"s second largest crime clan is headquartered in NYC, where they have a 54% interest in the "Federal" Reserve Bank of N.Y. and thusly set the pattern for operations on Wall $treet as well as for the Chew Pork $lymes, the ruptured republic's primary organ of taste and discernment as to "on message" reality for the ruling (and managing) elite in the U$$A. Their true motto appears to be "All the News that fits, we print".

Thus, the various elite classes in the U$$A, including both leading print and electronic media, maintain assiduously "on message", particularly on "sensitive" issues such as the cleanup of Ukraine.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 2 2022 11:36 utc | 273

... They don't admit anything had happened. If it did and assuming the meetup with Zelinsky before was unscheduled, one might indeed further think, the IAEA is in on it.
...
Posted by: C | Sep 2 2022 10:28 utc | 273

There is quote from Grossi in this thread that seems to indicate that his position is politicised w.r.t. Ukraine’s claim to the ownership and generating capacity of Zaporizhzhia NPP. We might call this the EU position, given that the Ukrainian power grid is now integrated (synchronised) with the EU grid.

If UA can somehow retain the capacity of ZNPP - threaten, terrorise, bullshit etc, - it can sell the significant extra capacity to the EU at a tidy (rentier) profit, while continuing its practice of apocalyptically negligent maintenance.

If UA loses ZNPP, it’ll be significantly short of its own electricity requirements, let alone any export ambitions. Would the EU even be able to make up the difference, given the impending energy crisis?

I think the IAEA is politicises to the extent that they are skirting around the issue of who’s attacking the plant and they are acting on behalf of the EU w.r.t. Ukraine’s claims to the generating capacity of ZNPP.

If the region containing ZNPP votes for independence or to formally join RF that plant goes with the region. The instant ZNPP is synchronised with the Russian power grid, it’s capacity is completely lost to Ukraine.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 2 2022 11:38 utc | 274

Ron Chapman@276

Kudos: Your explication of the deviousness of contemporary British legal practices, coverted under cover of "law" is manifestly echoed in the Ruptured Republic across the pond. It appears that the ruling Americn Bar Association is but an extension of the Bar at Temple Court in City of London.

Thusly, American "case law" in particular, is as Jefferson warned, a Monarchical formulation embedded in a nation which was intended to be a republic. The corruption in the entire legal system in the U$$A perfectly echoes that in the Sceptred Isle and in fact, appears to be controlled by the Crown.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 2 2022 11:44 utc | 275

mario2 @60: "How is western media so perfectly controled? how they do it?"

The points by Paul @271 are all valid, but there is another dynamic that dominates. People who pursue a career in mass media do so with the understanding that they have tremendous influence over what people think. They are fully aware that how they influence people's opinions during a time of war will influence the course of that war, so their patriotic duty to their country and its troops on the ground is to aggressively and proactively generate and reinforce war propaganda from "their side".

Guess what? The US has been at war these kids' entire lives. They go into mass media careers knowing full well that they are going to be the front line troops in information warfare. They enter the profession of presstitution with the full knowledge that it is all about propaganda and disinformation.

Here is another thing playing into it: Everyone knows that US troops are involved in covert warfare across the globe all of the time, just as the British know about their troops. For example, there is not a single British person who will be surprised that British troops were involved in the commando assault on the nuke power plant. These are covert actions, though, which means they are supposed to be secret. It is the patriotic duty of everyone to keep state secrets secret in a time of war or your troops can die.

How to keep a secret that everyone knows? Pretend. Make-believe. Feed the delusion. Everyone knows that every day there are CIA goons and Special Forces killers out there somewhere in the world murdering people, but should anyone mention it we have to pretend to be surprised and dismiss it as crazy talk. When you grow up in a nation constantly at war this doublethink becomes second nature, and that is doubly true for those pursuing the presstitute profession.

Basically, presstitutes march in perfect formation like soldiers marching off to war because they view themselves as soldiers, though ones engaged in information warfare instead of kinetic combat.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2022 12:01 utc | 276

We have to take the RF claims of UK-destruction with a grain of salt. Do they do actual damage assessment. There are lots of explosions with not much effect, see the video entitled "RVvoenkory" (starting with a tank explosion) at the link below
https://southfront.org/third-day-of-ukrainian-counteroffensive-in-kherson/

You see shells hitting (one about 20m to the left of a substantial group of soldiers) with no effect at all.

Posted by: bottle | Sep 2 2022 12:17 utc | 277

Putin meeting with the youngsters in Kaliningrad yesterday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin during the open lesson "Talk about the important", which was attended by the winners of olympiads and competitions in the field of culture, art, science and sports.

Posted by: rp | Sep 2 2022 12:26 utc | 278

@paul greenwood 270
US fuel for Russia built nuke plant: Ukrainian may be keen to buy from US, US to provide Ukrain, even if the cost increases and fuel comes eventually from Russia raw material.
Same happens for LNG imported by EU, when Russia seems cargoes to Chinese intermediaries who resell to EU countries, with EU paying more for less gas, Russia getting more cash for less gas, and chines making fortunes in between (recent Zero Hedge post)

Posted by: Daniel | Sep 2 2022 12:46 utc | 279

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r__0QQueEPw
.
Have you ever experienced a grenade impact live?
20 meters, well, a "normal" grenade with a scattering radius of about 50 meters is enough.
I experienced it live and was about 150 meters away, outside the scattering radius, but the pressure of the explosion alone at 20 meters can be deadly!
So don't talk and babble about something you have no idea about! I served 12 years of which about 7 years in Russia and also on the current Ukrainian territory when it still belonged to the Soviet Union and the Russians were not sensitive, squeamish about the realistic training, you can believe me!
After an exercise, no weapons master counted cartridges or grenades that were returning... what was gone was gone without any protocol, without any controls. In peacetime I have never used as much ammunition as I did in Russia!
Oh yes, I'm German, not Russian!

Posted by: mo3 | Sep 2 2022 12:47 utc | 280

Sorry for the link to youtube
I reacted to the post
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Posted by: bottle | Sep 2 2022 12:17 utc | 282
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Posted by: mo3 | Sep 2 2022 12:50 utc | 281

mario2 @60: "How is western media so perfectly controled? how they do it?"
and
William Gruff | Sep 2 2022 12:01 utc | 281
their patriotic duty to their country and its troops on the ground is to aggressively and proactively generate and reinforce war propaganda from "their side".

Yes, Gruff is correct (as usual). It's all described in Norman Solomon's book: War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death . .here
the Amazon blurb

War Made Easy cuts through the dense web of spin to probe and scrutinize the key ""perception management"" techniques that have played huge roles in the promotion of American wars in recent decades. This guide to disinformation analyzes American military adventures past and present to reveal striking similarities in the efforts of various administrations to justify, and retain, public support for war. War Made Easy is essential reading. It documents a long series of deliberate misdeeds at the highest levels of power and lays out important guidelines to help readers distinguish a propaganda campaign from actual news reporting. With War Made Easy, every reader can become a savvy media critic and, perhaps, help the nation avoid costly and unnecessary wars.

In a few words, if a "journalist" doesn't establish the desired perception then he/she becomes an ex-"journalist."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 2 2022 13:12 utc | 282

@ 287
Sorry, here's th Amazon link.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 2 2022 13:15 utc | 283

james@245:
I am trying, the blood got up when I read TTG's comment though. Thanks for your advice
👍

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 2 2022 13:26 utc | 284

n yesterday's broadcast, Alexander Mercouris was in a solemn, sombre reflective mood, quite rightly too. He said two things that are, imho, true. The first is that the UKR regime (i.e. Zelensky and his NATO allies) are now in desperation mode, real desperation. The second is that, given the extent of this desperation the next 2-3 weeks are likely to be the most dangerous for the world since this operation started. As someone posted here, what we are looking at now are acts of pure, unadulterated terrorism, not warfare of any kind. From where I am sitting, it looks to me as though the UKR Armed Foces (and by that I mean the regular soldiers who joined the army not the conscripted, reluctant civilians press ganged into it) is depleted to a level that does not make meaningful combat possible.

I felt a mixture of nausea, profound sadness and disgust on reading the item in the RF MOD briefing that one unit of conscripts refused to fight and left their positions. Very soon after they took this action they were eliminated by a Unit of the Kraken Division i.e. a Nazi Division of the UAF. These animals need to be captured and put before the upcoming War Crimes Tribunals. These are innocent civilians, young and old, forced into a war they do not want on the say so of a Tyrannical, Nazi Dictator (Zelensky) just to promote himself to the West, while he stockpiles money and houses leaving his citizens to die terrible deaths in the meat grinder.

The difference between Ze and Putin is that Ze doesn't give a damn about Ukrainian Citizens, not one single damn. He is out for himself, for Glory and for money. President Putin on the other hand, is a hands on President, who cares deeply about Russia and its people and is taking the right decisions to protect the security of his country and its peoples.

I pray every night that Ze, Arestovich, the Deputy Prime Minister and Kuleba are captured, imprisoned and put on trial for crimes against humanity. I also wish the same for BoJo, Blinken, Von der Leyen, Borrel and their cronies.

God Bless President Putin and Russia.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 2 2022 13:33 utc | 285

@mo3.

OK, what's your interpretation of the video?

Posted by: bottle | Sep 2 2022 13:51 utc | 286

"With the looming energy crisis, there is an obvious desperation to keep that huge power plant supplying energy to Europe."

Posted by: Haassaan | Sep 1 2022 10:57 utc | 7

I dont think so: the accumulation of successive western measures obviously devised to create an artificial lack of energy and increase of price of it for the European populations, points to a purposeful maneuver from western authorities, the goal being to panicking/corraling the peoples into accepting something unacceptable otherwise ("hot war" I guess).

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 2 2022 14:36 utc | 287

Maybe not an unreasonable question - how do you sneak up on somebody if you're driving a barge?

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 1 2022 18:39 utc | 183

First you land a small party as explained in many posts. Then you land the barge with a bigger team. Didn’t work.

Posted by: RB | Sep 2 2022 14:51 utc | 288

First you land a small party as explained in many posts. Then you land the barge with a bigger team. Didn’t work.

Posted by: RB | Sep 2 2022 14:51 utc | 294

I think the first team was expected to be more of a distraction than it turned out to be.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2022 14:57 utc | 289

@ Biloski | Sep 2 2022 6:09 utc | 254

we have satire here in canada, but i was really hoping it was true what you said! after hearing of the ukees trying to bomb the nuke plant, it made sense to me!

@ morongobill | Sep 2 2022 13:26 utc | 289

i admire your perseverance! happy trails.. hopefully you are allowed to provide a counter to ttgs bullshit without pat banning you as he has a habit of doing...

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2022 15:01 utc | 290

For all those expecting a dispassionate, unbiased report by the IAEA inspectors, I say be prepared for a major disappointment. Never forget what happened to the OSCW inspectors on the Skripal debacle and the whole organisation. By isolating inspectors through death threats on them and their families, they ensured that the ‘report’ was distorted and biased and which supported the Western government’s narrative.

Similarly, the UN has become a weapon utilised by its appointees, to become a mouthpiece largely of the US and the UK. Russia has made numerous reports to the UN about Ukrainian shelling of the nuclear facility all of which are ignored. Same with reports on war crimes by the Ukrainian side.

Let’s also not forget how Nils Metzer’s UN report on the torture of Julian Assange simply gets ignored or overlooked.

So I’m not holding my breath over the findings of the IAEA report. The UN has long ago served any useful purpose and is now under the USA’s and its poodle’s control

Posted by: Vragtes | Sep 2 2022 15:26 utc | 291

I am somewhat confused. These reactors are Russian VVER reactors designed to be used with Soviet fuel rods. Yet they have been "converted" to use US (Westinghouse) copies of Russian fuel rods whatever implications that may hold.

Yet the USA is dependent on Russia for supplies of uranium to keep its own nuclear program afloat !

US has also a lack of nuclear engineers because nuclear plants were not being built and the generation of nuclear engineers available was going through natural demographic wastage

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 2 2022 10:15 utc | 270

Several replies contain relevant facts that ought to have been considered by a rational decision maker.

But what is to suggest that the decision to convert several reactors to use Westinghouse rods would have been based on reason? We're talking about a decision maker* that applied sanctions that harmed itself more than they harmed Russia.

How was it "rational" for the Obama administration, in the person of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to approve the sale of 20% of US uranium production to a Canadian company (Uranium One) that had or soon would have a Russian owner? It wouldn't have been rational if the welfare of the American citizenry were the priority. But if the objectives included weakening the US and enriching the Clinton crime family, then the sale was perfectly rational.

* My use of "decision maker" assumes that even though the principals change, they tend to pursue the same policy goals and seek to enrich themselves at the same time.

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 2 2022 15:26 utc | 292

@ Vragtes | Sep 2 2022 15:26 utc | 297

thanks... agreed.... same deal the chemical weapons charges towards syria.... it is hard to get objectivity when these organizations are held in captivity in various degrees..

Posted by: james | Sep 2 2022 15:40 utc | 293

It wouldn't have been rational if the welfare of the American citizenry were the priority. But if the objectives included weakening the US and enriching the Clinton crime family, then the sale was perfectly rational.

* My use of "decision maker" assumes that even though the principals change, they tend to pursue the same policy goals and seek to enrich themselves at the same time.

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 2 2022 15:26 utc | 298

Notwithstanding the obvious Clinton family corruption angle in the Uranium One to Rosatom sale, the deal had no impact on American security or relative geopolitical weakness. The export of US uranium is extremely highly regulated and Rosatom has zero say on where the refined product from US operations goes.

Rosatom was primarily interested in the Uranium assets in Kazakhstan.

In all probability, the current Rosatom in the US in Canada will be transferred to new owners as part of the sanctions process, if not underway already. the fact that they have not yet done this indicates it is not a national security issue.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 2 2022 15:44 utc | 294

@anon2020 261
Imho it would be strange if power stations were unable to sync supplies which were headed for another power station system.
Surely for any grid to work at all it must have some means of syncing different power stations?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 2 2022 16:40 utc | 295

@Giyane | Sep 2 2022 16:40 utc | 301

Here you go mate

Posted by: Ranelagh | Sep 2 2022 17:00 utc | 296

From the Guardian today:

'Grossi said the security situation was “pretty difficult” during his visit. “There were moments where fire was obvious, heavy machine gun, artillery, mortars two or three times – we were very concerned.” But he said the mission received “splendid support from the UN security team”.'

And furthermore:

'Zaporizhzhia, Europe’s largest nuclear facility, has faced repeated shelling in recent weeks, with Kyiv and Moscow blaming each other for the attacks, raising concerns of a possible disaster. On Thursday, a dawn shelling attack on the area forced one of the plant’s six reactors to shut down.'

Posted by: C | Sep 2 2022 17:03 utc | 297

N.B. Ukraine at last has admitted that it was shelling the Energodar nuclear power plant. The Pentagon is bending over backwards to make excuses for its wayward acolytes.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Sep 2 2022 19:03 utc | 298

Imho it would be strange if power stations were unable to sync supplies which were headed for another power station system.
Surely for any grid to work at all it must have some means of syncing different power stations?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 2 2022 16:40 utc | 301

AC (alternating current) is a sine wave oscillation. As an example, all the power stations on the EU-wide grid, which now includes Ukraine, are synchronise to exactly the same sine wave pattern in time. I.e. every single power station on the EU-wide grid is “in phase” with every other. They are all on a common circuit, a common timing signal, an out of sync power station would act like a kind of megawatt short circuit against the others.

In principle, it might be possible for one of the ZNPP generators to sync to the UA-EU grid while the others sync to the RF grid. It would require that specific flexibility in the electrical switching / routing and the control systems. My understanding is generic so I can’t answer that question for ZNPP.

If not, UA gets nothing, unless UA can reclaim the ZNPP generating capacity, or if RF is prepared to run ZNPP on the UA-EU grid as a compromise, but that seems like an operational mess for the RF-aligned regions that receive power from ZNPP, they would not have the back up of the RF grid ... a ridiculous stew.

Hopefully someone with relevant operational knowledge can answer the question on syncing different ZNPP units to the EU or RF grids.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 2 2022 19:07 utc | 299

On top of having to
- safeguard the ZNPP,
- keep the people in both Russian-held and Ukrainian territory from getting radiated, and
- save Rosgvardiya guys at the ZNPP from Ukrainian bullets,
Russia now has the wellbeing of IAEA inspectors on her hands, too. Geliefert wie bestellt.

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Opport Knocks | Sep 2 2022 15:44 utc | 300

"...the Uranium One to Rosatom sale, the deal had no impact on American security or relative geopolitical weakness. The export of US uranium is extremely highly regulated and Rosatom has zero say on where the refined product from US operations goes. Rosatom was primarily interested in the Uranium assets in Kazakhstan."

Well, zero say except for long-running contracts.

I couldn't tell what Rosatom was primarily interested in, but I've said it before, the deal also involved a lot of US real estate, as in disused uranium mines and deposits on US soil.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 2 2022 19:33 utc | 300

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