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September 15, 2022
Ukraine SitRep – Hit On Dam Endangers Ukrainian Troops – Russians Defeat More Counterattacks

The BBC continues to misinterpret war news from Ukraine:Ukraine

Ukraine war: Houses flooded after missiles hit major dam

Russian missiles have hit a reservoir dam near the southern Ukrainian city of Kryvyi Rih, officials say.

Residents in some areas were told to evacuate, city head Oleksandr Vilkul said, but he added the situation was under control.

Ukraine said the strike was revenge by Russia for its recent counter-attack.

President Volodymyr Zelensky – who was born in the city – described Russia as a "terrorist state" after the attack on the Karachunivske reservoir.

"You are weaklings who fight civilians," Mr Zelensky said in his late night address on Wednesday. "Scoundrels who, having escaped from the battlefield, are trying to do harm from somewhere far away."

This was an apparent reference to Ukraine's recent military successes in a swift counter-offensive in the country's north-eastern Kharkiv region. It has seen Ukraine's army reclaim swathes of occupied territory, forcing Russian troops to retreat.

In his speech, Mr Zelensky said the reservoir had "no military value at all".

Zelenski is an idiot.

The Ingulet river, which the dam restrained, flows mainly north to south through Kryvyi Rih (Russian spelling: Krivoi Rog, Кривой Рог) to then turn southwest before it ends in the Dnieper.


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On its southwest flowing part it demarcated the border between the Ukrainian and Russian held territory. During the Kherson 'counteroffensive' Ukrainian troops had used pontoon bridges to cross the river and to attack on the southern side. The hopeless attack across bare steppe continued throughout the last days despite huge losses on the Ukrainian side.


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The hit on the dam was not in 'revenge' but will raise the Ingulet river and speed it up. It will wash away those pontoon bridges. The Ukrainian troops south of the river will be without resupplies and more easy to defeat. Or so the Russian's hope …

Moon of Alabama @MoonofA – 17:58 UTC · Sep 14, 2022
Replying to @chinahand

The Ingulets river that dam was on has demarcated the border between Russian troops in Kherson and the Ukrainians. The Ukrainian's crossed it for the Kherson 'counterattack' which is still proceeding. With the river now flooding they will be cut off from the northern side.

Here is a larger overview of the area. The Ukrainian position beyond the Ingulet is on the bottom left.


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LiveUAmap puts the dam strike (yellow circled red bomb at the top) at a dam on a smaller reservoir northeast of Kryvyi Rih. After comparing pictures in the BBC report with aerial pictures I believe that dam hit is on the larger reservoir west of Kryvyi Rih. This is also consistent with reports of damages to water supplies in the city. That water comes from the larger reservoir.

This attack had a clear military value. It is not a 'terrorist' act. Water diversions for military purposes are a standard tactic in larger military operations. In April the Ukrainian side flooded large areas north of Kiev to stop Russian troops from moving towards the city. As the New York Times reported at that time:

All around Demydiv, a village north of Kyiv, residents have been grappling with the aftermath of a severe flood, which under ordinary circumstances would have been yet another misfortune for a people under attack by Russia.

This time, though, it was a tactical victory. The Ukrainians flooded the village intentionally, along with a vast expanse of fields and bogs around it, creating a quagmire that thwarted a Russian tank assault on Kyiv and bought the army precious time to prepare defenses.

The residents of Demydiv paid the price in the rivers of dank green floodwater that engulfed many of their homes. And they couldn’t be more pleased.

After their large move into the Kharkov region, from which the Russian's had withdrawn with only minor losses, the Ukrainian military has become a bit cocky. North of Kharkov it attacked Russian villages and positions across the border. Such attacks could help Russia to mobilize more troops. While the Russian military, aside from a big war, is not allowed to use conscripts in military operations abroad it can use those on the Russian side of the border. This significantly increases the pool of soldiers the Russian military can now use to counter Ukrainian moves.

Ukrainian troops also attempted to attack Lyman which is protecting the southern side of the remaining Russian positions in the Kharkov oblast. Professional Russian troops have now been moved there to replace Luhansk Peoples Republic's militia which had held the city. They will remove the Ukrainian troops hiding in the forests north of the Siverski Donets river.


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The Ukrainians also attempted several smaller counterattacks on Russian positions in the Donbas region. All of those failed.

An expected large Ukrainian attack in the south of the Donbas region towards Mariupol has not yet happened but the Ukrainian side has increased its reconnaissance activities in the area east of Zaporizhzhia.

 

Comments

Zelensky: that dam has no military value.
MoA: that dam has military value.
Seems like a small difference of opinion. Negligible compared to the war crimes, nazi-jews, Nato fighters, casualty counts that differ by 100x, whether this is a war at all, whether it is a liberation or invasion, etc.
I’d rather agree on which side is good guys and which side is bad guys, than whether a dam has value.

Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 15 2022 15:27 utc | 101

very american… good guys and bad guys… shit for brains thanks the msm..

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2022 15:30 utc | 102

Bruised Northener no,91
“That may or may not work out”
“That may or may not be true”
You could attribute the whole presentation to a weather forecast reading. 😂

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Sep 15 2022 15:31 utc | 103

@c1ue | Sep 15 2022 10:44 utc | 21

One of the orders is now delayed until further notice because of UPS suspending operations in Ukraine/Russia/Belarus.
WTF?

I have ordered 2 window replacements in my house (the old ones are bad), and I am told the new ones are made in Lithuania. We shall see if they arrive…

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 15 2022 15:33 utc | 104

Posted by: RTD | Sep 15 2022 10:37 utc | 18:

But the Baghdad water treatment facility was a legitimate military target?

Good point and an excellent reminder of US/Western hypocrisy.

Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 15 2022 15:40 utc | 105

Zelenski is just acting on behalf of his mafia don Kolmojski, and despises ethnic Ukrainians. He could care less about their suffering.
Posted by: xeen | Sep 15 2022 14:09 utc | 75

When the US State Dept. sanctioned Kolomoisky in the Fall of 2021, that signaled the transfer of the ownership of Zelensky to them.
Before that Z had co-operated with the Trump investigation into Biden family corruption in Ukraine as well as advocated for peace in the east. Kolomoisky would likely be arrested if he attempted to return to Ukraine.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 15:40 utc | 106

james @ 101 –
Always love your posts – but – Zelensky is a ‘good actor’? IMO he’s not even a good Vaudevillian. He can’t even juggle. And his schtick is so worn now, it doesn’t take a dramaturg to know Zelensky won’t be renewed for a new season in the spring.
cheers.

Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 15 2022 15:41 utc | 107

39 – Poland wanting reparations from Germany has occasioned some amusement on the Colonel Cassad Russian website.
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/advergod/39360704/11012/11012_original.jpg

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 15 2022 15:42 utc | 108

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2022 14:36 utc | 90
“Nope, that was you NATO-tards setting up new goalposts after the first ones were demolished”
“From this point on, all of the dead Ukroids (and the dead among your own Special Forces that you pretend are not in the Ukraine, even though you know they are there) are on you. Your hands are dripping their blood”
“Sleep well, troll scum.”
I think you are confusing me with a member of the NATO high command responsible for policy in Ukraine. Believe it or not it is possible to not take either side in this war.
You are deranged. Enjoy waving your little Russian flag supporting one side like it’s a game of sports.

Posted by: evilsooty999 | Sep 15 2022 15:44 utc | 109

William Gruff | Sep 15 2022 14:36 utc | 90
The Ukraine is effectively demilitarized of its own weaponry, which means that the killing would essentially be over by now if you ghouls hadn’t poured more weaponry into the mix
Reverse engineering this diagnosis suggests that PC Roberts contention, that a more substantial incursion at the beginning would have prevented such a widening of the conflict, is correct.
Much like your contention that a limited, but devastating nuclear strike on US/NATO hard assets is pretty much what it would take to snap them out of their ignis fatuus.
Kinda hard to advocate as a peace initiative, though.
It would have to come out of the blue.

Posted by: john | Sep 15 2022 15:44 utc | 110

Telegram vids. I can view without signing up/in:
Strike on the dam
https://t.me/asbmil/5227
“……The river in Krivoy Rog is already demolishing bridges “
https://t.me/asbmil/5227
The damage:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/8559
“……The maps provided demonstrate the connection between the Iskra reservoir and the Andreevka bridgehead in the Kherson theatre of the conflict.”
And again
“…Russian Armed Forces strike Krivoy Rog yet again — this comes after Ukrainians “repaired” the dam damaged yesterday. It was just hit again “
https://t.me/asbmil/5283

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 15 2022 15:46 utc | 111

@91 I found that vid quite interesting. The Sky guy is obviously cheering for Ukraine but if you get past that he was quite factual.
The UAF are flush with victory and eager to take advantage of their success. So where do they go next? I’m sure they would love to retake Mariupol. And I’m also sure the Russians are well prepared for it.

Posted by: dh | Sep 15 2022 15:47 utc | 112

@ gottlieb | Sep 15 2022 15:41 utc | 109
thanks… maybe you are right… not much of a comedian either i suppose…
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according to arm chair warriors, russia did or didn’t do something right…. i guess these jokers are vying for zelenskys gig…

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2022 15:50 utc | 113

Interesting.
Country 404 gave us the 13 dead fairies of snake island(day 1). The fictitious “Ghost of Kiev”. Including multiple deliberate lethal attacks on the native citizens of 404. Dressed up as fake attacks. War crimes of executing POWs. The list gets longer every day the “SMO” continues.
I take all information from country 404. With a grain of salt(tosses empty salt shaker over the left shoulder). The devil is in the detail of the supplied picture. The explosive burn marks show more than the dumb&dumber propaganda writers actually intended! lol
That which is too good to be true usually is!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Sep 15 2022 15:52 utc | 114

Who posted this “Dmitri Alperovitch” garbage.
Are we back in 2017 with Trump, Mueller, Maddcow and RusiaRussiaRussia peach mints?
Cmon man.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 15 2022 15:54 utc | 115

Posted by: Thermazone | Sep 15 2022 11:05 utc | 23
“This is war, you speak as if the USA never attacked civilian infrastructure, lol. USA doctrine is bomb the first days, cut electricity and water, destroy or capture radio/tv stations.”
Why do so many assume here that if you criticise what Russia is doing then you are automatically on the side of the US?

Posted by: evilsooty999 | Sep 15 2022 15:56 utc | 116

this is Zelensky’s role of a lifetime, kinda like Reagan and Biden, without the dementia. if he can get out of there alive, a mansion and a well paid gig on MSNBC awaits him. wonder if MSNBC will let him play the piano.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 15 2022 15:57 utc | 117

Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 15:40 utc | 108
You are correct re Kolomoiskyy.
It’s believed he’s hiding in Israel. Warrants for him in US and Ukraine.
He had the Z on a leash. But while Ze was once
Kolomoiskyy’s pet, he has new owners now.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 15 2022 16:01 utc | 118

@ pretzelattack | Sep 15 2022 15:57 utc | 119
does he play piano? if so this is like being in the middle of some rachmaninoff piece, lol… maybe shostacovich… he’ll be lucky if he makes it out alive.. cia – mi6 will see to that..

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2022 16:01 utc | 119

I’ve figured out the real reason the Russians withdrew from Izyum – it was to help out Elensky!! After this great counteroffensive victory by the conquering Ukies, there is no longer any talk of a coup against the piano penis player.
Keeping Elensky as leader in Ukraine will go down in history as Putin’s greatest chess move…

Posted by: Simplicius | Sep 15 2022 16:02 utc | 120

@Posted by: james | Sep 15 2022 15:30 utc | 104
If you don’t think wars have bad guys, then you’re probably a bad guy.

Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 15 2022 16:04 utc | 121

Reading whatever I can of the SMO. It appears that both sides are moving troops around as fast as they can, getting ready for whatever comes next. Knocking out some power grids slowed down Ukrainian troop movements by electric rail. Knocking out the damn also knocked out Ukrainian pontoon bridges. And flooded some roads. Good move Russia. It seems another big operation is coming real soon. Any bodies guess where.

Posted by: Leroy | Sep 15 2022 16:09 utc | 122

Eviletc @111
“Not a sports game”. I agree up to that point. This war is an existential matter for Russia and for all nations in the world which are not part of a corrupt and corruptive, Bank$ter-directed system.
Pretense of having an objective neutrality in this conflict will do you no good. At the Texas midget explained: “Either you for us or against us.” In this case “us” is not the Bank$ter owned U$$A.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 15 2022 16:09 utc | 123

Zaporozhye and especially Kherson are incomparably more important than Kharkov.
If Kherson became critical, I believe, the Russians would up the ante …

Posted by: Humml | Sep 15 2022 16:16 utc | 124

I still think that what unfolds in Ukraine is important for Russia, more so how and if it ends…
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 15 2022 15:23 utc | 102
Of course it is important, yes, and apologies for implying otherwise, but I think the ebb and flow on the ground – within reason – is not all that important unless it negatively impacts public support. Other than that, the longer this drags out the better it is on the geopolitical front. Indeed, I suspect the settlement in Ukraine at the end will largely be determined by the conditions in the West. Once their support wavers, Ukraine doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
Personally, I doubt Ukraine will survive as a State but even if it does the Neocon-sponsored state as is will be no more. Any entity supported by US-NATO axis will be regarded as ‘agreement-incapable’ and no negotiations with such an entity will take place. Those days are over.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 15 2022 16:18 utc | 125

james @ 101

i have reached the same conclusion at the end of your post…

The videos “leaking out” on Telegram of English speaking troops are Psyops. NATO is establishing the new normal. Expect to see ever more “leaked” vids like that on the road to normalization.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2022 16:20 utc | 126

Comment volume is back down a bit but there sure are a lot of new barflys passing through these days….hard to get a word in edgewise.
It is encouraging to read the commenters bring the focus on the perpetrators all back to the global finance crowd. This war will stop the moment the global finance crowd unconditionally surrender to the rest of the world and take responsibility for their social perfidy

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2022 16:23 utc | 127

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2022 16:01 utc | 121
I don’t know if he plays or not, but he pretends to with his dick.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 15 2022 16:28 utc | 128

In the USA all of the MSM and internet news sites are pushing the line that the war is all but over.
According to Business Insider: “Russia’s political system is in “shock” after Moscow’s recent defeats in Ukraine, a former Vladimir Putin aide said. “This is no exaggeration,” Abbas Gallyamov, a political consultant and ex-speechwriter to Putin, told CNN.
This loud crowing about “Ukraine Victory” is all about the midterm election. The media is already setting up a scenario for a UAF retreat based on the idea that if the US/NATO push too hard on Russia, then Russia could resort to nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 15 2022 16:30 utc | 129

I don’t know why people like Andrew Bacevich just don’t get it.
Russia’s Underperforming Military (and Our Own)
Russia doesn’t have to do a thing militarily in Ukraine anymore. It is bringing economic devastation to the EU. Maybe he’s just too wedded to the military and militarized thinking.
It’s the economy, stupid, as the saying goes.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Sep 15 2022 16:31 utc | 130

reply to 98 and others
https://thesaker.is/who-will-run-out-of-resources-first/
Latest saker claims Ukr. losses near Kharkov even worse than Kherson. Can anyone confirm this claim?
If Ukr. victory joy is muted, maybe the cost is why

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 15 2022 16:35 utc | 131

Posted by Aristodemos@11:33 Cst
Pepe Escobar calls it. His contention featured on today’s Unz Review, is that Russia will steadily escalate beyond the SMO level of attention. Among other considerations, he points out that only a relative handful of missile strikes at substations could eliminate Ukraine’s electricity network. Interesting read for those who are concerned.

Posted by: Aristodemos | Sep 15 2022 16:37 utc | 132

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 15 2022 16:30 utc | 131
yeah, I’m sure the midterms have a lot to do with the propaganda offensive. I don’t know how much it will help the democrats, the economy sucks.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 15 2022 16:39 utc | 133

Russia wants to add 137 000 troops to the army so I would imagine the have at least 100 000 ukies fighting for them.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 15 2022 16:39 utc | 134

To the morally ambiguous types here: No, it is absolutely never OK to attack critical civilian infrastructure EVER, period. What the hell is wrong with you? It is ALWAYS wrong and unjustified, no matter what tactical or strategic rationale one might conjure up, INCLUDING any bizarre retaliatory justification to minimize the immorality of such acts, “Well, the Ukrainians are bombing the Kakhovka Dam / Hydroelectric Plant”. So f’king WHAT? Lowering the bar tit-for-tat based on the opposing forces latest depravity means you are weak, dishonorable and no better than them. And “Killing a few civilians may save some of our soldiers’ lives” is equally depraved and cowardly. FFS, that’s how MY country’s military thinks.
Russia may have had their tactical reasons for striking the Karachunovsky Dam gate yesterday, I don’t know. But that merely EXPLAINS their actions – it in no way morally JUSTIFIES them. Their actions are still disturbing and sad. The Karachunovsky Reservoir is upstream of Kryvyi Rih, an urban agglomeration with a half-million or so civilians – non-combatants. I think the Russians are embarrassed by this – news of the successful strike was notably absent from the MoD daily report.
One of the dam’s radial floodgates was destroyed, but the spillway structure was relatively intact. The spillway’s uncontrolled outflow was reduced or stopped last night by a repair crew dropping structural barriers (flashboards/stop logs) in front of the damaged/missing gate.
Russia has reportedly used more cruise missiles against a smaller reservoir in Iskrivka on the Inhulets River upstream of the Karachunovsky Reservoir and north of Kryvyi Rih about 25km. The Inhulets downstream of Iskrivka is lined with small villages and farming communities. No word of damage to the dam or flooding (yet).

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 16:39 utc | 135

@ Scorpion #127
Completely agree!
The Ukraine and this SVO are the most visible parts of Putin’s and SCO’s / BRICS+ game plan. The true End Goal is a complete demolition of the West’s neo-colonial, genocidal habits – smashing the teeth of this monster, which terrorized and sucked the blood out of the rest of the world for 3-4 centuries.
The RoW has been growing rapidly in Economic Power over the last 20-30 years. Now it’s time to isolate the West, destroy its military ability, and cut it down to size so as that 12% of the world population (so called “golden billion”) won’t be able to consume 75% of the World’s Resources any more. 12% will be plenty.
And for the Ukraine, as one blogger (who does understand what’s going on) said in this Great Chess Game the Ukraine is not even a pawn, it is just some “dust on the chess board”.

Posted by: RockTime | Sep 15 2022 16:40 utc | 136

# xeen …He could care less about their suffering….
That’s clearly not true. Zelensky couldn’t care less about their suffering.
# arthur brogard mobilisation
Mobilisation is exactly what the USA has been trying to goad the RF into, and the last thing on Russia’s mind, calamitous to the social and economic fabric as it would become. Of course, it war breaks out, it would be a very different state of affairs and mobilisation would be a necessity under those very different circumstances, and would be one of a domino of mobilisations across Poland, Moldova, LLE, Belarus, Finland, “defensive” mob in Turkey then Greece, into the Balkans, also the CAsian Stans, China, Taiwan, the Koreas and so on and on. In other words WW3 breaking out. We’re a long way from that.

Posted by: petra | Sep 15 2022 16:41 utc | 137

133 – Russians claim to have hit them pretty hard with artillery and drones and have produced some videos. Coming out of fortifications and attacking does have the disadvantage of exposing them more to fire.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 15 2022 16:42 utc | 138

@evilsooty999 | Sep 15 2022 9:48 utc | 2
I also wouldn’t take too literally Russian claims that they want to do their SMO nice and soft. If you’d wanted to save as much of Ukraine as possible, then a swift decapitation would have been the way to go; but now you own all of that benighted country, and Russia has neither the inclination nor the resources for that. Just as important, the boundary between civilians and combatants isn’t fixed: it’s called mobilization and recruitment, areas where Kiev has made massive efforts. And yet there is no Russian attempt to undermine these: Moscow seems content to kill as many as it can of those who hate Russia anyway.
Besides the military objective our host explained, I think these strikes are also a PSA from Moscow: that they could crush the Ukies any time they choose or need to, Kharkov offensive or not–and then put the ball back into Kiev’s court.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 16:50 utc | 139

From CovertAction today:
Eyewitness: Human Toll of Eight-Year Ukrainian Army Onslaught in Eastern Ukraine is Shocking

The eastern Ukrainian countryside is being littered with Ukrainian Army mines while some towns have been abandoned as residents had to escape Ukrainian Army shelling.
Residents consider Americans who send money to the Ukrainian government in the belief that they are protecting them from the Russians to be “idiotic” and “foolish.”

Posted by: Robin M. | Sep 15 2022 16:59 utc | 140

Scott Ritter makes a very good anaylys from the Harkov defeat. https://thegaggle.locals.com/post/2737082/tg-877- the-gaggle-talks-to-scott-ritter

Posted by: Mikkado | Sep 15 2022 17:02 utc | 141

@Posted by: Aristodemos | Sep 15 2022 16:37 utc | 134
I don’t know, Pepe tends to get a little ahead of himself on such things and Putin is a very careful guy who does not want to create a cause celebre for the West nor disrupt the economy through a general mobilization. Time is on his side, militarily, economically, politically and weather wise. Plus, he needs to keep the RoW with Russia as a positive alternative to the West.
Taking out electricity, dams etc. in areas with military significance, i.e. the south and south east, is one thing. Sending the whole of Ukraine back to the Stone Age is completely another – reports from a Kiev that looks like Leningrad during the siege will play well for the war mongers pushing Russia-hatred and not well with the RoW. The Russian military merely needs to play “rope a dope” with the Ukies until all of their reserves have been destroyed in the open (not long to go given the Ukie tactics at the moment), while at the same time keep rolling over the Donbass defences. By Winter there will be no 8-years-to-build fortifications or Ukie reserves to stop them left, and hard open steppe thats great for tanks and awful for digging trenches and finding cover from the Russian airforce and drones.
The Western financial system is also looking more and more like 2008, with some big demolition fireworks possible before Winter.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 15 2022 17:07 utc | 142

@John Dowser | Sep 15 2022 10:22 utc | 12
You have to give it to Team Zelensky: they seem to understand that Washington likes to have its own black hole, where all sorts of money-laundering games can be played away from prying domestic eyes, under a thin veneer of “National Security”. The Green Zone (nomen est omen) in Baghdad was legendary, and now Kabul has closed down it’s time for Kiev to take up the slack. With 10% for the Big Guy of course.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 17:07 utc | 143

“….there are no clever barflies here.. I read only putin-fanboys who believe all lies about the russian SMO without accepting any other arguments.. all here think that they are the only ones knowing what happens and that russia is so clever and all their actions are traps for zelensky 😉 what a stupid brainless cheerleading..
Posted by: joe9211 | Sep 15 2022 15:02 utc | 97
There is a difference between being critical of Putin and the SMO and the kind of shit that joe is posting on MoA. For example, joe begins his diatribe as such:
“fuck putin, the coward and stupid liar who kills thousands of russian soldiers and Russia supporters. who is so stupid and still believes in liar and loser Putin?? hahahahahahaha”…”
So, what kind of argument is that? It isn’t, it’s just an insult with no depth or critical forethought. People like joe are children that never grew up.
Again, just another sample of joes great wisdom: “Russia, a 3rd world shithole with incompetent leaders like Putin, Schoigu and Lawrow and permant drunk idiots leading the weak and coward, gay army to final break-down.. hahahahahahah…”
Joe is not a Troll, he is too obvious for that, and he certainly isn’t clever enough to be a Troll. He is here just to insult the serious commentators on MoA.
Please do not consider this a response to joe, but rather a comment about people like joe who needs to be removed from this site and we (I) should never respond to such trash.

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 15 2022 17:10 utc | 144

I expect lying from Ursula von Crazy but it amazes me to see barflies accept the framing and forget the very recent past.
It was the EU who put the sanctions on Russian oil and gas, not Russia.
Therefore it cannot be said that Russia is using oil and gas as a weapon, unless you think that Russia forced the EU to install the sanctions.
That would be a stupid thing to believe, since it is clear who forced the EU to install the sanctions.
In the months before the SMO, US mouthpieces, including the Sniffer-n-Chief, never mentioned Russia without gleefully predicting that they would soon be able to force Germany to stop certification of Nordstream Two.
Russia invaded, Germany complied, other EU countries announced their own……and now westerners are solemnly saying that Russia is using gas as a weapon.
Unbelievable!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/23/statement-by-president-biden-on-nord-stream-2/

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 15 2022 17:11 utc | 145

John It would have to come out of the blue.
Let the billions of peace-loving people around the world hope and pray that this salvation does indeed come. I am not very hopeful because I am not one of that multitude of one-trick ponies like Martyanov, who exaggerate the “weak”, “collapsing” nature of the USA state (I have my suspicions about why they do it). Orlov is another, an economics version of the military cheerleaders), who has been beating the same drum about imminent collapse for twenty years.
Anyway, if this, my second-last hope, is vain, my one final hope vests in China, also nuclear but, unlike the RF, having also the manpower (fodder) that may ultimately prove indispensable to overwhelm the USA, banish it into a darker age than it already purveys, and rid the rest of the world (such as remains) once and for all of this festering tumour that is battering us to ruin.

Posted by: petra | Sep 15 2022 17:17 utc | 146

Don’t feed the trolls but creatures such as joe9211 really are not to be suffered on any blog. Even from our ennemies we ask for a minimum of intelligence.

Posted by: Anthony | Sep 15 2022 17:18 utc | 147

All this chat about “good guys vs bad guys” is amusing, as are the sports metaphors.
In a war there are only bad guys and even worse guys. The winner is often the one who will do what the other side wouldn’t.
Better to listen to Leonard Cohen’s “Everybody Knows” (the good guys lost) than repeat lame sports analogies.
https://youtu.be/Gxd23UVID7k
And Big Z knows:

And everybody knows that you live forever
Ah when you’ve done a line or two

As for another LC classic “First we take Manhattan then we take Berlin”, as long as the Tribe still controls the New York Fed, Berlin is safe 😉

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 17:19 utc | 148

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 17:19 utc | 150
I’m not a fan of Cohen, but that song alone is worth all the fame he’s got.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 15 2022 17:22 utc | 149

Today from The Duran:
Bakhmut and goals of the SMO, with Brian Berletic from The New Atlas and Gonzalo Lira

Posted by: Robin M. | Sep 15 2022 17:23 utc | 150

Paco@151….we won’t hold it against you…..
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 15 2022 17:27 utc | 151

I’m just an avid reader. Without the slightest military training. However, I have a lot of experience being subjugated by the Empire of Lies. I consider SMO a dress rehearsal and so far my conclusion is: There is no money on the planet for the costs of a conventional WW3.

Posted by: Fernando by | Sep 15 2022 17:39 utc | 152

@arthur brogard | Sep 15 2022 11:25 utc | 28
What others also say: it’s not that you didn’t look properly, Russian force levels and movements simply are not available to us mere mortals, even though one supposes that NATO has a decent idea at any given time.
Others already quoted Mercouris. He doesn’t claim to know the numbers better than anyone else, but he makes a valuable additional point: it suits the Western narrative much better to say “The Russians are in Ukraine”, rather than “The Donbass militias are clearing their claimed territory with Russian support”.
To the best of our knowledge, Russian troop levels are laughably low (a net withdrawal since the early days when Russia rolled to Kiev) compared to either what Russia has or their stated objectives. With just 100.000 more they could I think have, say, taken Nikopol to stop the shelling of the Zaporozhiye NPP, but Moscow just won’t commit. They seem to think that protecting Russia’s economy takes precedence over protecting even the sympathetic Ukie civilians. Seem from the Kremlin, this may yet be the correct big picture. War is a cold, cynical business.
Then again, maybe Russia does have morale or supply problems, though there’s little evidence of this. All will become clear in time: if a claimed Russian weakness isn’t exploited by NATO, we’ll be able to safely conclude that it all was just PR.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 15 2022 17:46 utc | 153

I might be mistaken, but doesn’t Ukraine receive nearly all of its energy supplies from Russia?
If that is true, has Russia cut them off yet? … If not, why?
PS. Seeing that Russia is crippling the electrical distribution grid, cutting off gas and oil would have an exponential effect.
Hmmm?

Posted by: Mummer | Sep 15 2022 17:49 utc | 154

evilsooty999
Obtuse: annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
“he wondered if evilbooty was being deliberately obtuse”

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 15 2022 17:51 utc | 155

“Don’t feed the trolls”, sorry, but on this bar they are smashed to bits, fed to the pigs and finally thrown on the land as compost. Vide Guernica reply above, well done, mate, that one was epic.

Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Sep 15 2022 17:54 utc | 156

But the Baghdad water treatment facility was a legitimate military target?
Posted by: RTD | Sep 15 2022 10:37 utc | 18
The facility was preventing freedom and democracy and thus needed to be destroyed.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 15 2022 17:59 utc | 157

“Hold my latte while I punch myself in the head repeatedly”
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Death by a million very weak blows 😛
Exile quoting Orwell (Blair): a thousand times yes! A path so worn out it has broken through the fabric of reality.
I glanced at the “Ukraine” headlines of the local MSM today and it’s a parallel world of nonsense with no connection to reality. Too weak to be called fiction or daydreaming, just pure “hope”.
“Hopium-copium hocus pocus!” 😀
People just scroll on by, I notice not even the trolls and bots pay any attention to most of the claims.
Combine that with the frenzy of “activity” and one can be sure Russia is doing just fine (if anything I would say they’re doing better than ever; is their escalation dominance actually increasing!? If so then that’s astounding isn’t it?). To translate that for anyone who doesn’t understand: every little move the US/EU/NATO is doing ends up harming themselves. It’s not new at all (basic “western” policy this millennium) but to see it so clearly in a military conflict might be.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 15 2022 18:08 utc | 158

I’m not a fan of Cohen, but that song alone is worth all the fame he’s got.
Posted by: Paco | Sep 15 2022 17:22 utc | 151

When Bob Dylan was (bizarrely) awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature, Joni Mitchell said they gave it to the wrong guy. Here is why…
https://youtu.be/7-0lV5qs1Qw

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 18:17 utc | 159

@Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 17:19 utc | 150
The problem with the sports metaphor is that with sports you root for the home team, because it’s just a stupid game.
With war, you root for the good side, and accept that there’s a 50% chance that you should be rooting against the home team.
But that’s just hard to swallow, because people are loyal and stupid. So instead you take the realpolitik motives behind the war, and screw them into morals for no reason.
Anyway, having some attempt at moralizing is better than having none at all, which is where this is going. Ie. Let’s burn it all because we are losers.

Posted by: ThrowsOfWar | Sep 15 2022 18:22 utc | 160

“…the ebb and flow on the ground – within reason – is not all that important unless it negatively impacts public support. Other than that, the longer this drags out the better it is on the geopolitical front. Indeed, I suspect the settlement in Ukraine at the end will largely be determined by the conditions in the West. Once their support wavers, Ukraine doesn’t have a leg to stand on…”
Scorpion@127
I think that you are right. The thing about the SMO is that it does have a very limited military purpose. And that it is a small part of a strategy which is intended to draw the Empire deeper and deeper into a struggle which, unlike the campaigns it has been waging for the past seventy five years, cannot be broken off without cost.
Nor can it be paid for without causing socio-economic crises. The most obvious of which would appear to be imminent in the form of a breakdown in the energy supply to Europe coinciding with massive transfers of real things (arms, munitions, infrastructural replacements, personnel) to the Ukrainian Front.
And all this, despite media control and censorship, within the clear view of the people: no propaganda will be able to disguise the fact that fuel is hard to find, that supply chains are breaking up, that funds are being transferred from services to warmongering. And that while wages are stagnant, prices and rents are shooting up. And industrial jobs are disappearing.
All of which is in immediate prospect.
No doubt Russia is deeply committed to the protection of Ukrainians from-NATO’s occidental version of ISIS- north American nourished Nazis and the death squads and kill lists and pogroms that come with them. But Russia’s resources are limited by its refusal to be tempted into a potentially ruinous total mobilisation which is exactly what Washington and Bruxelles want to see, an economy under the strain of sanctions attempting to produce miracles of production- a situation which, as the story of Stalin tells us- leads inevitably to repression and severe shortages for the people. The Washington cabals, the children and proteges of Cold Warriors, are desperate to re-create the ‘Iron Curtain’ conditions of the Cold War in the childish belief that it will lead to another Gorbachev, a Chinese Yeltsin and a Disney ending for the History which puzzles them and angers them when it doesn’t look like the wealthy suburbs and Ivy League fraternities in which they never grew up. They dream of a massive mobilisation of Russian society with a xenophobic nationalism and the deep inequalities that militarism and its hierarchies breed in society.
Russia, on the other hand, is confident that western propaganda, by its nature uncontrolled and increasingly unrealistic, is creating the conditions for a collapse of imperial credibility (which has already evaporated among the not so golden 7 billion).
The history of imperialist campaigns is that their impact on the metropolitan populations was always minimal and often, apparently, beneficial: the relief of Mafeking cannot have been of any benefit to the millions of slum dwellers in Britain but it led to enthusiastic celebrations and patriotic demonstrations throughout the land. And while there was little in the long war in Afghanistan to celebrate at home- the sordid pseudo spectacle of the killing of bin Laden perhaps excepted- that was a war, like Iraq or Libya or Syria which could be dropped like a hot potato and no embarrassing questions (such as what is happening to those Girls’ Schools?) asked.
Ukraine is not at the other side of the world, it is on the eastern end of Main Street, past the Catholic Church. And if it collapses the streets will be full, not of pretty girls looking for a place to spend the night, but of deeply betrayed millions of ordinary people who have been led up the garden path by Uncle Sam and are reduced to taking out their frustration on Sam’s hired help, the plain people of Europe. And they will be doing so at a time when the plain people are broke, angry and shivering with cold.
In the meantime, if all goes well with the Kremlin plans, Russia will be-see John Helmer’s yesterday- building up its aircraft industry and preparing to supply the Argentinas and Irans of the world with airliners of the next generation; pouring its hydrocarbons and minerals into the yawning maws of Indian, Chinese and other capitalists; engaging in ever closer to relations with its fellow producers, most notably the Gulf economies and Iraq. And showing the intimidated peoples of the world that there can be life after imperial displeasure, sanctions and slanders.
That may be wishful thinking rather than shrewd judgement but it will explain why I differ from that veteran pundit from the Antipodes, who appears to see no prospect of good in the current debacles.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 15 2022 18:22 utc | 161

Zelenskyy and Trotsky were born near each other and are both Ukrainian in a certain sense. Though not exactly Ukrainian, in other ways. It’s no shock they want to enslave Russians.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 15 2022 18:24 utc | 162

Posted by: Robin M. | Sep 15 2022 16:59 utc | 142
20000 killed civilians more or less..and there are people around that screams about the bombing of a dam..you know it’s the same old russophobic double standard.

Posted by: LuBa | Sep 15 2022 18:30 utc | 163

Wokechoke@164
It really in intolerable to see cadets in Brigade 77 equating the founder of the Red Army and one of the principals of both the 1905 and 1917 revolutions with the puppet Zelensky. Wash your mouth out!

Posted by: bevin | Sep 15 2022 18:34 utc | 164

For those who yell that Putin has lost Russia this war, it’s not over yet. One battle, not even a battle, Ukraine forces moved into territory Russian forces and allies had vacated. No battle there. If your relatively unopposed you’ll move through an area quite quickly. Ukrainians don’t seem to be doing quite so well when they actually come up against Russian and allied forces and they have to fight.
Ukrainian forces are fighting on borrowed time. All the weapons, vehicles, volunteers and advisors from NATO, are the life support keeping it going. The question is despite what VDL says about support for Ukraine being absolute and for as long as it takes, really how long do they think NATO can keep supplying Ukraine. How long will Europe’s populations agree to their governments sending and spending billions in aid to Ukraine when people in their own countries are going to need that aid. I live in the UK and I’m already starting to hear disquiet on the streets about it and people saying Ukraine is not their war.
As for the EU and war. Armies need to be fed and vehicles and aircraft need fuel. Without food and fuel I don’t know what kind of a war the EU thinks it’s going to fight. As for nuclear war I watched a programme on it 2-3 years ago, all satellites will be destroyed, that will be the first sign things are going nuclear and according to this programme you want to be the country that retaliates not the country that fires first.

Posted by: Sanz | Sep 15 2022 18:34 utc | 165

It is a wise commander who takes an opportunity to improve his FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area) On his own, rather by having to fight his way to do so with enemy resistance.
Why maintain a vulnerable salient, or try to hold a huge area of limited strategic value with insufficient troops?
It is absurd for Russia to be criticized for trimming its battle line in Donbas at its own initiative imposing huge losses on Ukrainians rushing into the open, without suffering losses of its own.
That there is a big fuss made about this on both sides just indicates the abysmal military knowledge of the press and pundit commentary on the worst covered war in the past century.

Posted by: Thomas Lipscomb | Sep 15 2022 18:38 utc | 166

#42 LightYearsFromHome
I concur very much so. In General LeMays “auto”biography co-written with MacKinlay Kantor (pulitzer prize for Andersonville) he does a mock reply to all who question “how can he sleep at night” of his ordering the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (he give the # as 200,000) with the reply that he ordered the dams and dikes blown in Korea that killed 2,000,000 civilians. That should be front page news, but like DU and the bombing of Belgrade , etc etc, I could list 30 more, it just never rises to be referencded, it is a book that has been filed in the wrong spot in a closed shelf library.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Sep 15 2022 18:43 utc | 167

Ukraine has regularly attaked civilian areas, civilian infrastructure – damns, power plants, aquaducts…
Ukraine is a corrupt, puppet, nazi, terrorist, incompetent regime.
Russia military behaving differently of late, perhaps pressured by public perception.
Attacting the damn suggests they saw no other option. Soon the waters will receed.
Disappointing. Escalating. Will have consequences.
Bs analysis is informative and intelligent and rational but also biased, slanted, misleading.

Posted by: jared | Sep 15 2022 18:44 utc | 168

Wokechoke #164 Zelenskyy and Trotsky were born near each other and are both Ukrainian in a certain sense. Though not exactly Ukrainian, in other ways. It’s no shock they want to enslave Russians.
In the Ukraine were also born Brezhnev, Khrushchev, Chernenko, Zinoviev, Makhno, Prokofiev, Oistrakh, Richter, Gogol, Babel, Akhmatova, Korzeniowski, Nijinsky, Lew Grade, Louis Mayer, Mila Jovovich, etcetcetc. Not sure the point.

Posted by: petra | Sep 15 2022 18:56 utc | 169

“Attacting the damn suggests they saw no other option. Soon the waters will receed.”
Not so fast – apparently they are also blowing the dams up-river.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 15 2022 18:59 utc | 170

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/speculation-over-what-russia-does-next.html
decent article and comments.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 15 2022 19:01 utc | 171

“The head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen banging the drums of war.
“This is a war against our energy, a war against our economy…”
Followed by: “And I want to make it clear that sanctions against Russia will remain in place until its economy is torn apart.”
Are these people for real? Can’t stay coherent for a few phrases in a row. The level of double thinking, double standards and hypocrisy. Westerners have such a sense of exceptionalism it is beyond sick.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 15 2022 19:01 utc | 172

Sanz @ 167

all satellites will be destroyed, that will be the first sign things are going nuclear

Here yah go 😀
Space warning from Russia: US satellite falling apart
BTW Fake news? Weirdly pointless if so? Oddly really hard to google anything on it. The few mentions reference the article above. Odd because any time something falls from space it’s instant man bites dog news and click bait and everyone everywhere morbidly follows it to see if it hits anything populated, a bit like NASCAR.
IRC it was commented on briefly here. Too old to be of military use? Maybe Russia took out an old low value civilian satellite as a message? IIRC S500s can do this. Where’d I put those iodine pills?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2022 19:03 utc | 173

It’s hard to keep up with the ever evolving definition of what a “SMO” entails.
Where are you getting these “definitions” from?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 15 2022 10:04 utc | 6
Sounds like the standards the US and NATO use all over the world. It some of that American new world order crap referred to as “rules-based international order”. Which means what if the US decides something is a military target, then it is.” But, like they say, what is sauce for the goose…….

Posted by: Guernica | Sep 15 2022 19:04 utc | 174

Julian: The “Donbas” quite literally means the “Don Basin” – the “Basin of the Don River”.
No.”Donbas” means “the Don coalfield”. “Donets Basin”, is an abbreviation of “Donets Coal Basin”, in Russian: Донецкий угольный бассейн. Transliterated into the Latin alphabet: Donetskii ugolnyi bassein.

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Sep 15 2022 19:09 utc | 175

opport knocks@161:
Bob Dylan winning the Nobel for literature is certainly less bizarre than Barack Obomber getting the Nobel for peace.

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 15 2022 19:20 utc | 176

Russia wants to add 137 000 troops to the army so I would imagine the have at least 100 000 ukies fighting for them.
Posted by: OhhCanada | Sep 15 2022 16:39 utc | 136
From 2023, not now.
If all those regions in Ukr join Russia they will need their army and probably some will go to areas near Finland or similar.

Posted by: rk | Sep 15 2022 19:22 utc | 178

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 16:39 utc | 137
Posted by: jared | Sep 15 2022 18:44 utc | 170
Agreed, I hope it turns out to be BS, or that the full picture stacks up a lot better. A money-no-object campaign to acquire targeting info on western “volunteers” would be a respectable look, but civic power, water, sanitation should be out of bounds, who doesn’t know that.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 15 2022 19:23 utc | 179

Thussprakezarathustra and others. I found part of the speech on The Saker Article titled Blackout Kharkov Metro. When I linked to the ‘Ideas’ Forum (part of Zelensky’s sphere) I got a link to parts of the speech about enslavement and torture. However, this was in the very early hours of the morning. I went back just now and the post that linked to the Telegram post does not link now. The Saker, in the narrative, says it was removed from Telegram very quickly.
Don’t suppose this helps much but I don’t know how to post links!

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Sep 15 2022 19:26 utc | 180

Jo Dominich @ 182

I don’t know how to post links!

Just paste it, it’ll show up as an active link. Took me a while to figure that out plus the HTML tag for links on the right side of the comment box. FYI emojis work too, just paste them in, but don’t get carried away this is a bookish site 🙃

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 15 2022 19:36 utc | 181

It’s evidently not shock and awe since it is used to achieve a limited objective, with an evident military goal (i.e. not a goal against the entirety of the country seeking to force them to surrender through fear). Evidently the Russians chose not to wage that kind of campaign (they could have easily wrecked all the power plants in the country the other day), although it must be said that Ukraine is immense and that the Russian Airforce would probably not have an easy time conducting a mass bombing campaign with conventional means.
When it comes to sparing Zelensky, the current Ukrainian elite looks like a den of jackals and they seem quite likely to devour each other once this thing is through, money dries out and the real hardships start. Besides, the Ukr army is controlled from abroad, so no single Ukrainian figure is particularly key to remove.

Posted by: V87 | Sep 15 2022 19:37 utc | 182

No.”Donbas” means “the Don coalfield”. “Donets Basin”, is an abbreviation of “Donets Coal Basin”, in Russian: Донецкий угольный бассейн. Transliterated into the Latin alphabet: Donetskii ugolnyi bassein.
Posted by: Moscow Exile | Sep 15 2022 19:09 utc | 177

I like to occasionally remind people that the City of Donetsk was founded by and it’s industrial roots were created by a Welsh businessman and engineer, John Hughes. It was originally named Yuzovka in his honour.
That was back in Victorian times when relations between the German cousins on the British and Russian thrones were still civil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hughes_(businessman)

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 15 2022 19:52 utc | 183

Why doesn’t Europe and the EU realize that its greatest enemy is the United States and not Russia? The US has pushed them into a ruinous conflict, and to add insult to injury, is exporting inflation through its interest rate hikes. The Fed’s hikes are extraordinarily insular, focusing only on the US economy – and to hell with the rest. As for the UK, it’s just America’s attack dog – and if and when Europe explodes, the Breixiteers will gain some satisfaction. For myself, I’m British, and I thought I was aging gracefully, being more conservative as I grow older. Now I hate my own country. That’s sad.

Posted by: Technophobe | Sep 15 2022 20:00 utc | 184

Well since High Jumpin and Wanna a Pute, signed pure friendship, wall will huurope and Murrica do?

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 15 2022 20:07 utc | 185

Statement from Maria Zakarova.
This would be the Official Russian position as she reads some of it out from a prepared statement. Subtitled in English.
https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1570489611532783619?cxt=HHwWhsDSreP-v8srAAAA
In French we would call that a “mise-en-Garde”. In one sense it is to be expected, but I think it may be more than that. However, the SCO is the place where the real action is coming from (Putin and Lukashenko). Lavrov and crew are finally in NY at the UN. Also interesting to see what they present. Where are Shoigu and Gerasimov?
***
The calm of Putin is the same as that displayed by Sir Francis Drake, when the arrival of the Spanish Armada was signalled. Finish playing his agme of bowls – as all the preparations had been made.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 15 2022 20:11 utc | 186

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 15 2022 19:01 utc | 174
The question is what else of evidence Putin needs that he is on the wrong path with his SMO
The enemy wants Russia crushed like Yugoslavia and Putin in Hague
But Putin is living in his own LaLaLa world as wannabe chessmaster

Posted by: Chessmaster | Sep 15 2022 20:13 utc | 187

I wonder how is Russia going to solve this politically.
The rump Ukraine is still going to be a terrible enemy.

Posted by: marko | Sep 15 2022 20:18 utc | 188

Jo no.182
I found a speech on saker, but not the same content. However, it too was silenced. What i did find though was this:
“Roger Waters’ open letter to “Ze”‘s wife”
Click on source at the end and read the comments on roger’s fb page.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Sep 15 2022 20:26 utc | 189

marko @ 190,
Years ago I remember looking at the diversity lottery figures from different countries. I think over 6 million Ukrainians applied for a diversity visa to the US. With Europe opening its borders, anyone wanting to leave a Ukrainian rump can. I doubt this kind of depopulated state will be much of a problem for Russia. It might be a problem for countries like Romania, Slovakia and Poland.

Posted by: Technophobe | Sep 15 2022 20:26 utc | 190

opport knocks@161:
Bob Dylan winning the Nobel for literature is certainly less bizarre than Barack Obomber getting the Nobel for peace.
Posted by: morongobill | Sep 15 2022 19:20 utc | 178

Speaking of bizarre Nobel Peace Prizes, one went to Henry Kissinger despite (or perhaps for) his having instigated the Yom Kippur War (at the behest of attendees at the May 1973 Bilderberg conference) by “misrepresent[ing] to each party the critical elements of the other, ensuring the war and its subsequent Arab oil embargo.” (Quote is from A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order by William Engdahl.)

Posted by: David Levin | Sep 15 2022 20:32 utc | 191

“It’s fine for Russia to attack civilian infrastructure now despite claims for months they were going slow to avoid civilian casualties and damage to the civilian infrastructure that they are now bombing”. Such is the fog of war. I also recall reading on numerous occasions that Russia would never use energy as a weapon. Endless propaganda on both sides desperately tries to mask the inherent contradictions and permutations that any bloody conflict will expose. For the sake of humanity I hope this ends soon.

Posted by: Tucson69 | Sep 15 2022 20:40 utc | 192

93-long tweet from very pro-Ukraine Ian Matveev in Russian about fundamental problems with the Russian army as illustrated by the Kharkov debacle.
As much as I appreciate and to the degree I understand Russian military doctrine from Andrei Martyanov, I see quite a bit of a more chaotic, disorganized effort overall. While Matveev goes off on the expected tangents, he makes a number of good points explaining why this isn’t a Russian war fought under Russian military doctrine a la Martyanov that I guess I keep expecting to magically emerge on the battlefield.
I know – Russia hasn’t really began to fight a real war yet, we can’t possibly know what the Russian generals are really thinking, everything is going according to plan, etc. Yet, it’s disturbing to see so much evidence of much of what Matveev claims. It’s not all propaganda (although there’s plenty there). While there’s much to argue with in his analysis, there’s much to explain what we repeatedly do see in Ukraine. And despite their poor track record, there are military leaders in the US and NATO that look for these weaknesses to exploit.
I understand why Putin has no desire to fully mobilize and declare war on Ukraine and not sure I would want to see that, but it’s painful watching Russia’s piecemeal SMO army bludgeon it out with the US piecemeal Ukraine proxy army. Seems like a lot of unnecessary blood and death for this to unfold the particular way it has. In any event, the blame is squarely on the bug-eyed homicidal US/UK/NATO leaders from plans hatched years ago.
https://twitter.com/ian_matveev/status/1570374599019491328
Since many don’t have Twitter/use it or don’t care to hit the ‘translate’ button 93 times, I offer the same content from above on Twitter, consolidated and translated to English, provided by translatethread.com:
https://translatethread.com/thread/1570395842674331650

Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 15 2022 20:43 utc | 193

guys, you so much depend on strategists from our time, no one in this world uses those doctrines, they are only theory
-> Just get how the mongols won half of the world
-> Understand what Alexander the great Really Did
-> in this aspect also what the persians really are
-> See what the holy wars of the vatican where all about
-> Check what Byzhantyne, Carthago and Istanbul is
-> Krim – story of war and love
-> and never forget the african guy who was always on stair with a kanye west glasses – just for pros ,)

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 15 2022 20:49 utc | 194

Apparently the IAEA made a statement together with UN (and 30-something US vassal states) that they want Russia out of the NPP zone and under “international control”. IAEA is a bunch of backstabbing thieves, after all they were saved from the role of human shields.
Given Ukrainian tactics so far, they might be continuously banging their heads at the Zaporizhe direction, either south west towards the NPP or SE towards Mariupol and Berdiansk. Better Russians are ready for this, apparently the UKR grouping is pretty large.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2022 20:49 utc | 195

Equating?
Lol. I’m suggested the two are probably something like cousins. 3rd cousins genetically.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 15 2022 20:52 utc | 196

Mummer | Sep 15 2022 17:49 utc | 156
Does Ukraine reecieve all of its energy from Russia
In a word not quiet
data from BP stats review and EIA
In terms of Oil – mostly
UKR produced about 33K BOPD (mostly Carpathians and Poltava area) and consumed 237K BOPD – only one functional refinery, Kremechug some probably imported a lot of Petroleum Products too
In terms of Gas – mostly
Ukraine produced 18.6 BCM/year and consumed 26.1 BCM in 2021 – a considerable fall over the last 10 years from 47.7 BCM in 2013 – Ukraine’s main domestic gas fields are near Poltava
In terms of coal – consumed 0.95 EJ/year and produced 0.54 EJ/year – most of the coal mines are in the Donbass and under DNR rebel control – coal is imported from Russia, Poland and others – probably a fair bit of sneaky trade with the rebels too
Ukraine does generate a lot of hydro and Nuclear electricity as well
NB all Ukrainian power plants of any size were built in the Soviet era and have not been maintained too well
Ukrainian energy consumption has fallen from 11.5 EJ/year in 1990 to 3.33 EJ/year in 2021 – shows the scale of the economic decline

Posted by: Aslangeo | Sep 15 2022 20:54 utc | 197

@oldhippie 96
Earthen dams do not have spillways in the body of the dam, at least in former SSSR. The danger of seepage is to big. Spillways are built somewhere else, off the main dam body and any damage to sluice gate or spillway does not translate to damage downstream. Those spillways are much larger than spillways on concrete dams, for they must evacuate lots of water. If water spills over a concrete dam, more or less no big deal. If water spills over earth filled dam, well, there was a dam rupture in Brazil some years ago, dam for holding contaminated water from gold mining. Everything downstream was washed away, many people died, and all of that in less than 2 hours. To avoid any chance of overflowing a filled dam, spillways are much larger and land below the spillway is protected – evacuation canals built to carry all that flood without endangering people or industry downstream. Ukraine is flat and I don’t think there are any earth filled dams there. Too dangerous, for exactly what is happening now.
So this cannot be a earth or rock filled dam.
Flow through damaged gate can and will raise level of the river downstream, but not enough to endanger human habitations or industrial buildings.

Posted by: zidar | Sep 15 2022 20:54 utc | 198

Opport Knocks @ 161
Then there is the thesis (thesis is the correct word) that most of Dylan’s early work was written by Cohen. When yo are tired of war news look into that.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 15 2022 21:03 utc | 199

Zelensky and Ukraine don’t exist. Robert Kagan is both Zelensky and Ukraine. In Jan. 2022 we read US might have to replace Zelensky because he wasn’t eager for war….https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/01/why-washington-will-soon-dump-ukraines-president.html…In 2013 Obama started working with Putin to resolve Syria and other issues. This drove Kagan insane because he wanted US to bomb Syria, so he began a media campaign saying Obama was “weak.” Shortly, Obama hosted a private luncheon in his office with Kagan. After that, Obama fell in line, became much more vicious about Russia, and it worked. Gallup poll shows 2013 the yr. US view of Russia went negative….https://news.gallup.com/poll/1642/russia.aspx

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 15 2022 21:08 utc | 200