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September 10, 2022
Ukraine – Russian Military Explains Its Withdrawal From The Izium Region

Since September 4, when the Ukrainian operation north of Izium started, the Russia Defense Ministry had said nothing about the issue.

Today it finally published a statement (machine translation):

Statement by the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense

In order to achieve the stated goals of the special military operation to liberate Donbass, a decision was made to regroup the Russian troops stationed in the Balakleya and Izyum regions to build up efforts in the Donetsk direction.

To this end, within three days, an operation was carried out to curtail and organize the transfer of the Izyum-Balakley group of troops to the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic.

During this operation, a number of distraction and demonstration activities were carried out with the designation of the real actions of the troops.

In order to prevent damage to Russian troops, a powerful fire defeat was inflicted on the enemy using aviation, missile troops and artillery.

Over three days, more than two thousand Ukrainian and foreign fighters were destroyed, as well as over a hundred units of armored vehicles and artillery.

(Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation)

Has that been the plan all along?

In retrospect that seems likely. The Russian military must have know that the Ukrainian attack was coming. There was only light resistance against the Ukrainian attack. Major Russian units had already been moved out of the area. The region did not have any public priority in Russian planing. A larger fight would have cost many Russian soldier and civilian lives.

So there were no cunning plans to surround the Ukrainian forces and no real disaster or success on either side.

Well, that is at least what the Russian military says. It also fits to the known facts.

There may be another reason why the Russian military did not want to fight for Izium. In May 1942, during the Second Battle of Kharkov, a Soviet counterattack on Nazi held Kharkov was defeated by two preplanned Nazi attacks south and north of Izium.


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The names on the map will look familiar to those who have followed the current battle over the past days.

The Soviet counterattack ended in a bloody defeat:

On 17 May, the German 3rd Panzer Corps and XXXXIV Army Corps under the command of Fedor von Bock, supported by aircraft, arrived, enabling the Germans to launch Operation Fridericus, pushing back the Soviet Barvenkovo bridgehead to the south. On 18 May, [Marshal Semyon] Timoshenko requested permission to fall back, but Stalin rejected the request. On 19 May, Paulus launched a general offensive to the north as Bock's troops advanced in the south, thus attempting to surround the Soviets in the Izium salient. Realizing the risk of having entire armies surrounded, Stalin authorized the withdraw, but by that time the Soviet forces were already started to be closed in. On 20 May, the nearly surrounded Soviet forces mounted counteroffensives, but none of the attempts were successful in breaking through the German lines. The Soviets achieved some small victories on 21 and 22 May, but by 24 May, they were surrounded near Kharkov.

The Second Battle of Kharkov resulted in an extremely costly loss to the Soviets, which saw 207,000 men killed, wounded, or captured; some estimates put the number as high as 240,000. Over 1,000 Soviet tanks were destroyed during this battle, as well as the loss of 57,000 horses. German losses were much smaller than the Soviets, with over 20,000 killed, wounded, or captured. Soviet General Georgy Zhukov later blamed this major defeat on Stalin, who underestimated German strength in the region and failed to prepare an adequate reserve force to counter the arrival of the German reinforcement that turned the tide.

So it's on towards Donbas.

Comments

Scorpion @ 355
It is clear that at Ramstein the die has been cast. Indeed, it is time for the RF to remove the boxing gloves and go Mano a Mano with both the Ukie puppet regime and their paymasters/taskmasters.
All geopolitically aware posters (some modest number of those awakened to the false reality scripted by the Masters of War in City of London and Wall $treet via their totally controlled mass media of misinformation and mystification) are opposed to the opening of the nuclear Pandora’s Box. That was an ancient bit of lore likely referent to the nuclear destruction of Harappa and Mohenjo Daro in the Indus Valley several millennia in a past which was beclouded by the XTian terrorists’ destruction of the Library of Alexandria.
We are living in the climactic denouement of the Age of Kali and of the age of Pisces. Scientistic rationalists will pooh-pooh such “unprovable” pre-Cartesian understanding. The Demi-Urge is in full gallop, riding at the head of the Ukie-Natostani onslaught into the ethnically Russian portion of lands granted by the Bolsheviks to Ukraine SSR.
Russia’s military currently enjoys a monopoly on the technology of hypersonic missilry. It is high time for some gift packages to be dispatched in the direction of where the primary shotcallers for the NWO are headquartered. Like Thoreau pointed out: There is no sense in hacking away at the branches when the only true solution is grubbing out the roots of the funny-money monopolists.
Now that the Evil Empire has upped the ante, it’s high time for the RF to take off those gloves. The entire Ukrainian state apparatus does need to be demolished and their aiders and abettors need to be bitch-slapped.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 3:18 utc | 301

Ooh, looks like Yenwoda invited all his friends to play in the sandbox today, seems like Ukraine is getting ready to march on Moscow. Think perhaps best to sit back for a few days and see how this actually does play out, plenty of time then with clearer information to assume the role of arm chair generals.

Posted by: Organic | Sep 11 2022 3:25 utc | 302

@ Jen | Sep 10 2022 21:29 utc | 234
It is impossible to know what the recruiter and soldiers were really arguing about
——
Au contraire, it is easy to know that the militia guy was stressed because his units were overworked and underpaid by RF, and that they were mad as hell and weren’t going to take it any more, especially because they were from a different country than Donetsk (Luhansk).
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 21:42 utc | 240

Don, do you have a learning disability? The presumed “recruiter” is in a new clean military style uniform, which may or may not be official, and he is very calm throughout. The angry old man arguing with him is in civilian clothes. The “they” you refer to is just one person and another person speaking off camera, so we cannot tell if that person is military or not. The real military dudes with rifles are just standing around and smoking, and they do not agree with the old man.
The fact that you and the Daily Express have concluded this is the Luhansk military refusing to fight in Donbass is the most ridiculous conclusion ever. It is one man complaining that the recruiter has a better car and washing machine than he does.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 11 2022 3:35 utc | 303

Now the Russians are real in trouble. The Canadians less so…
Chrystia Freeland has a ‘legitimate shot’ at top NATO job, expert says
michaelj72 @ 354
But regarding the general trajectory, I am confident predicting that Ukraine’s offensive is nearing the high water mark and will soon become a mass casualty event for the Ukrainian army. It may take a few more days for the situation to stabilize entirely, but that point is rapidly approaching and many of Ukraine’s best units face destruction.
With their aviation advantage that is what should happen. If it does not then heads should roll in the officer core. Russia will trumpet Ukraine’s losses with their estimates and be silent about theirs. If I remember correctly, the daily body count during Vietnam on network news included US deaths.
It is still fairly early in this conflict in my estimation. Lots more wins and losses coming up. It is a bloody shame. Shame on the human race.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 3:39 utc | 304

Try to imagine the profound level of evil that the Ukrainian “Sondernkommandos” are perpetrating against the ethnic Russian speakers in those Kharkov regions which they have recently assaulted. Sheer murder proceeded by grievous torture is their stock in trade.
Slaughter of harmless civilians because they prefer their own people as opposed to a deracinated mob of massively propagandized subjects of Bernaysian and Pavlovian psychological warfare. That level of evil was achieved by the Galician Banderites against hapless Polaks, Jews and Orthodox Ukrainians by the worst of all the Slavic peoples, who themselves had been subordinated to Roman Catholic Poles, Lithuanians and Habsburg Austrians. Even German SS commanders were appalled at the wanton slaughter of the innocents. Some of them came to the realization that the Banderistas were even more blood-thirsty than the Hravatska Ustasha murdering tens of thousands of Serbians, Jews, Gays, Gypsies and others who those fanatical Romanists found to be “Untermenschen”.
This is truly a war between good and evil. It may be somewhat relative on an individual basis. However, the general thrust was first displayed at the murder by fire of opponents of the coup d’ etat regime in Odessa’s Trade-Union center by these same Banderista terrorists. Next, they attacked the ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Then they welshed out on the Minsk accords. Then the murder of innocent Russian and ethnic Greek civilians in Mariupol. The list goes on and on. We must also consider the torture and murder of Russian and Allied prisoners of War.
Thus this war must conclude with the demolition of the currently constituted Frankenstein Monster created originally by the Bolsheviks and Soviets, where bits and pieces kept getting added to Ukraine SSR and then ultimately the bloody and evil Maidan coup on 2-24-14. Those behind the scenes shotcallers must also answer for their sins against humanity. I’m talking about the Bank$ter Cabal, the true rulers of the Five Eyes and Natostan.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 3:39 utc | 305

Tommy @ 368
Yet another voice of Gen-Z, apparently. Such a naif.
Crimea is Russian through and through. Even before the Maidan Coup engineered by the U$$A Department of $tate, Little Georgie of our $orrow$ and Viccious Nudelman, married into Khazarian Mafiya royalty, an actual descendant of the original Kagan who mass-converted his piratical, slaving tribal nation into the worst form of Talmudism…even before that sad event resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths over the past eight years; there were hardly any Ukrainians living in Crimea.
Your ignorance, Tom-Tom, is emblematic of the deliberate dumbing-down of the American populace.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 3:45 utc | 306

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 11 2022 3:39 utc | 371
It’s Khazars all the way down.
Just as The Book That Shall not Be Named explained …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 11 2022 3:59 utc | 307

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 3:07 utc | 363
“Rather than be surprised at this “strange” alliance.”
Thank you Melaleuca. I understand the point you’re making but in this case it’s difficult to understand given the immediacy of information the internet provides. The examples you gave, assuming they are accurate, were not “out in the open” (e.g. not taught in school as you said). In this case it is very easy for anyone to see and no one denies it to my knowledge. Weird. Off course the average Ukrainian IQ might also have some bearing here!

Posted by: RTX | Sep 11 2022 4:02 utc | 308

@ Petri Krohn | Sep 11 2022 0:15 utc | 324
thanks petri… posts like yours and some of the other regulars here help maintain a semblance of reality that has gone missing here at moa lately..
@ aristodemos
i appreciate your posts.. continue..
@ Opport Knocks | Sep 11 2022 3:35 utc | 370
something is off with him… see @ SCan | Sep 10 2022 23:50 utc | 314 for further confirmation…

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2022 4:50 utc | 309

@333 some troll: “I’d like to believe your theory, but right now, I just can’t.”
Nobody is disputing that Ukrainian forces have advanced quickly – very quickly indeed – to the line of the Oskii River.
So that gives us a simple test of this theory: how many Russian formations have been cut off and surrounded by advancing Ukrainian forces?
If the answer is “many” then the theory is bunkum.
If the answer is “not many” then the theory is sound.
So, what is the correct answer?
“None”
As in, not just “not many”, but “zero”.
The Ukrainians have not managed to cut off a single Russian unit. They have not managed to trap a single Russian garrison that was too slow to move.
Not. A. One.
Now, so very sorry, but given the speed of the Ukrainian advance there can be only one explanation: Russia’s main forces withdrew weeks ago, and the light screening force that remained were under standing orders to withdraw on first contact.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 4:55 utc | 310

@368 “Now that Izium is in UKa controll the Ruzzian supply routes and rail supply will be greatly courtailed”
No.
Simple as that: no.
What Ukrainian control of Izyum does is open a supply route for them to Slavyansk.
Which is good for them.
But Russia didn’t reap the same benefit when they controlled Izyum, for the simple reason that they never held Slavyansk i.e. from *their* PoV Izyum was a supply line to nowhere.
Something worth denying to the Ukrainians, perhaps, but otherwise not a logistics hub.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 5:04 utc | 311

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has throughout much of the six-month long Ukraine war been busy rallying support to his side by addressing dozens of Western countries’ parliaments, for which Ukraine has since been rewarded with billions of dollars in foreign defense and humanitarian aid. His foremost theme has been a constant refrain of his military urgently needing more, more and more weapons. He’s even requested advanced fighter jets, months ago asking Congress to “close the skies” (or in essence a No Fly Zone).
Now for the first time it seems he’ll go straight to the source, as he’s set to be the keynote speaker, via video link, to a major meeting of American defense contractors later this month. The Hill is confirming that “he headlines the annual Future Force Capabilities Conference and Exhibition hosted by the National Defense Industrial Association (NDIA)” in Austin, Texas on September 21.

Posted by: hankster | Sep 11 2022 5:07 utc | 312

Posted by: Roger | Sep 10 2022 22:35 utc | 269
‘You can’t print fossil fuels, and money printing with a constrained supply just leads to higher and higher inflation’
In fact analysts have claimed that these subsidies will keep
Inflation down, presumably as suppliers/retailers will not have the additional costs burden to pass onto their customers, which would manifest themselves in higher prices for goods.
https://www.barrons.com/amp/articles/uk-cap-energy-winter-crisis-51662640786

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 11 2022 5:09 utc | 313

@362 OhhCanada Good question.
My understanding is that there was a downstream dam that normally kept river levels up, but it was destroyed early in the SMO.
So the river is now easily forded by a tank, though probably incapable of being waded by infantry.
Rain might make a temporary difference, but not much.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 5:11 utc | 314

RTX | Sep 11 2022 4:02 utc | 379
“………(the Jewish control of Ukraine’s Nazis)….is difficult to understand given the immediacy of information the internet provides. …….
Watch this:
https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1568732977277943813?cxt=HHwWioC-oZqVocUrAAAA
And tell me again how the internet (or anything) can inform/ educate ….people…. (Who have access to education in the richest, most advanced country the world has yet known)…..
“……The examples you gave, assuming they are accurate, were not “out in the open” (e.g. not taught in school as you said). “
Yes.
But the information does exist. But most are unaware as you imply with (“your examples….assuming they are correct). The internet you appeal to as an “honest broker” in making information available seems not to have assisted you to date….
“………In this case (Ukrainian nazis) …it is very easy for anyone to see
Yes.
“……and no one denies it to my knowledge.”
Oh. But. They. Do.
Immediately pre, and early days SMO, the controlled MSM was full throated in denying the Nazi DNA of Azov and Right Sector, and their control of the Ukrainian government. Anyone supplying evidence of the Nazi gangs was a Putin payroll troll.
Then. Once people like yourself noticed. They no longer deny. They just ignore. Shrug.
“Move along, nothing to see here….”
We still have tourists to this bar, arriving all hot and outraged that anyone could believe a Jewish president and Jewish government and Jewish media could provide a nest for nazis….
—-
And another point refuting the “internet reveals the truth”….. just this thread has Camp A bludgeoning Camp B with snippets of internet “truth”.
Bacon thinks 80secs of random tictok is evidence of the collapse of western civilisation as we know it.
Others are dubious, and ally with others to post rebuttal telegram posts.
Who is correct? Who has the “truth”???
Churchill got his start in the 1800s with his “journalism” from the African, Indian and Afghanistan fronts.
WW2 gave us cinema newsreels to convince the “folks back home” that our valiant boys were winning Bigly. That the showreels were censored and curated was not well understood.
Vietnam was the war for the family television. Many journos made a good living, reporting, sozzled, from the safety of Saigon bars. What was the “truth” in Vietnam reporting?
Iraq was a “made for television” war, with its “shock and awe”. And embedded, coddled celebrity CNN scribes, who mostly stayed in aircon comfort in Baghdad.
And now we have the tictok and telegram war…. Available 24/7 on every smartphone… and that allows everyone to believe themselves a military expert…
Whether we the “audience” really understands what’s happening in Ukraine, any more clearly than readers of Churchill’s dispatches, …… I think not.
What the day to day exchange of fire in obscure locales in Ukraine mean…. I don’t know.
What is the overall strategy from Russia and NATO+++ …. That does perturb me.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 5:13 utc | 315

I think if Putin has no intention of pushing all the way to the Dnipro River then they would have to give up Izium sooner or later (just like giving up Snake Island) – as it might be undefendable in the long run. By pulling the troops back to Donetsk and fighting to hold Kherson it gives us an indication of Putin’s strategy. By mid-October when the weather starts to get cold – activities will slow down and you need to be able to defend what you want to hold.

Posted by: Jay Lee | Sep 11 2022 5:46 utc | 316

comrade simba | Sep 11 2022 4:27 utc | 382
I got a feeling that politically it’s imperative to keep a low profile conflict going on. Things go fucko bazzoo if US/NATO gets the idea that the proxies can’t handle it. 
You may be correct.

Posted by: Macs | Sep 11 2022 5:47 utc | 317

3 days ago I was watching the newest roundtable edition with Gonzalo Lira with a Covid doctor and another guest. Before it ended, it was taken down by Youtube. It will probably show up on Rumble soon.
About the trolls 90 % are obviously that. If I would have a highlighter for the obvious troll posts, my monitor would be all yellow within half an hour. It would make the blog more readable if all new posters with highly troll-suspect content would be withheld. For ”fairness” they could even be bundled in a separate somewhat greyed out font thread. Instead of now almost 400 comments to plow through, it would be only about 100…

Posted by: Rootman | Sep 11 2022 5:48 utc | 318

They might want to hit railway bridges and tunnels everywhere to complicate logistics of heavy equipment to the east.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2022 5:55 utc | 319

@395 Catman “Tell the civilians who believed in Russians, those who are going to be killed or tortured for collaborating that that was the plan all along.”
So add Catman to the list of Concern-Trolls in this thread, which must now number in the multiple of score.
There are several problems with this particular line of Concern-Trolling.
A) It rather inverts the responsibility for the wanton killing of Ukrainian civilians, since Catman appears to be blaming the Russians for such summary executions.
The blame should, of course, be laid at the feet of the perpetrators of any such war crime i.e. the Ukrainian soldiers who kill or torture civilians without due process. It is a bit much to complain about the Russians following the Laws of War, and doubly so when the basis for such complaints is that the Ukrainians are expected to violate those same laws.
B) The practicalities of what is being argued is never spelt out. Armies can, indeed, withdraw their units from the front line without alerting the enemy to that fact. It requires great skill and discipline, but it can be done. Quite how Catman expected the Russians to withdraw civilians in bulk without alerting the Ukrainians is, well, a mystery. It can’t be done quietly, if for no other reason than that at least some of those civilians are not going to agree to be evacuated, and will be loud in saying so.
C) Legally, well, you know, Russia is the Army of Occupation, and an occupying power is forbidden from carrying out the forcible transfer of protected persons except under reasons of immediate military necessity. So Russia would have to justify why it was doing this lest it result in banner headlines regarding the Russian “kidnapping” of entire villages and towns. And any such justification necessarily must alert the Ukrainians that Putin was on to them.
So the Russians may indeed have quietly withdrawn the bulk of their regular forces some weeks ago, but for the reasons stated above could not have evacuated the civilians at that time, irrespective of what our Concern-Troll friends might be flapping their arms about.
What’s left would be light forces: Rosgvardiya units and militia formations. They would certainly be under standing orders to withdraw on first contact with attacking Ukrainian forces.
A bit much to expect them to also organize a mass-evacuation of the civilians under those circumstances.
And, once more, yet again: those forces shouldn’t be *expected* to carry out such a mass-evacuation, because they *aren’t* responsible for the blood-thirsty war-crimes activity of the Ukrainian armed forces.
The blame for that must necessarily lie where it belongs: with the war-criminals in the Ukrainian armed forces.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 6:08 utc | 320

The War In Ukraine in Seven Paragraphs

NATO is really running European politics. And it shows that Macron could have said – when he said we’re at the end of abundance and the beginning of austerity, he meant we’re at the end of democratic politics. We’re at the end of social democracy.
Social democracy wouldn’t do what they’re doing. And socialist policy wouldn’t do what they’re doing.
He said, we’ve turned the “socialism” into neoliberalism, just as Tony Blair did in England, and [Keir] Starmer is doing it today with the British Labour Party.
You’ve had the end of any kind of social-democratic politics, and basically a concentration of policy – I guess you could call it the Davos class, the neoliberal class – it has really been centralized, largely under US direction and US financing.
That’s why the United States, in discussions with Europe, has said these sanctions and the Ukraine war are only the opening overture for what’s going to go in 20 years.
What’s at issue is how we are going to restructure the entire world economy. And in order to restructure the entire world economy, in the way that we want and that the Davos crowd wants, is you have to make sure that it is indeed a unipolar economy, not a multipolar economy.
We first have got to knock out Russia, so that it can’t support China. Then we’ve got to oppose China, India, Iran, the rest of Asia.

SOURCE:
https://www.unz.com/mhudson/debt-relief-inflation-ukraine-disaster-capitalism-petrodollar-crisis/

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 11 2022 6:12 utc | 321

“…. mob of massively propagandized subjects of Bernaysian and Pavlovian psychological warfare.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 11 2022 3:39 utc | 372
You are well educated about history etc., keep sharing.
For others unaware of what “Bernaysian” means
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays (nephew of Freud) and
see the doco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self
– Part 1: “Happiness Machines” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

Edward Bernays was born to a Jewish Canaanite family. His mother, Anna (1858-1955), was Sigmund Freud’s sister, and his father Eli (1860-1921) was the brother of Freud’s wife, Martha Bernays; their grandfather, Isaac Bernays, was the chief rabbi of Hamburg and a relative of the poet Heinrich Heine.
His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist “Torches of Freedom”, and his work for the United Fruit Company in the 1950s, connected with the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected Guatemalan government in 1954. He worked for dozens of major American corporations including Procter & Gamble and General Electric, and for government agencies, politicians, and non-profit organizations.

…. that is Bernaysian!
Throw in the City of London and their offshore secret banking cabals and the whole world is stitched up ‘neat as a pin.’ The founders of the East India Company would be so proud! See The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8
The rulers of the UK and USA have never known a murderous right wing fascist junta they didn’t love and support! It’s so obvious it’s scary so few notice. And if it wasn’t for Mandela and the ANC we’d be talking about the 6 Eyes not 5. But that’s another ‘Bernaysian’ story.
People will be stupid. It’s in our makeup/dna.
From 1928

Propaganda, an influential book written by Edward L. Bernays in 1928, incorporated the literature from social science and psychological manipulation into an examination of the techniques of public communication. Bernays wrote the book in response to the success of some of his earlier works such as Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and A Public Relations Counsel (1927). Propaganda explored the psychology behind manipulating masses and the ability to use symbolic action and propaganda to influence politics, effect social change, and lobby for gender and racial equality. […]
Chapters one through six address the complex relationship between human psychology, democracy, and corporations. Bernays’ thesis is that “invisible” people who create knowledge and propaganda rule over the masses, with a monopoly on the power to shape thoughts, values, and citizen response. “Engineering consent” of the masses would be vital for the survival of democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)
A Century later we now have Propaganda and PR manipulation on Steroids called “Social Media”!
More accurately ANTI-Social media….. but that’s another story too as Cambridge Analytica with Facebook have proved beyond all doubt… in so-called recent ‘elections’ and the Brexit referendum for example.
Chomsky wrote a half decent book called Manufacturing Consent way back in 1988. It’s as if western mainstream media use it as their Bible instead of a Warning of what not to do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
a 5 minute summary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M
text summary https://chomsky.info/consent01/
Most days it is as if George Orwell never lived.

Chomsky:
“- Now if we had the slightest concern with democracy, which we do not in our foreign affairs and never have, we would turn to countries where we have influence, like El Salvador. Now in El Salvador they don’t call the archbishop bad names. What they do is murder him. They do not censor the press; they wipe the press out. They sent the army in to blow up the church radio station. The editor of the independent newspaper was found in a ditch, mutilated and cut to pieces with a machete.”

Ukraine is just another El Salvador, another corrupt South Vietnam Junta, another Columbia, another Libya or Syria or Egypt or Iran, or another 1960s Greece.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 11 2022 6:40 utc | 322

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 6:08 utc | 401
So the Russians may indeed have quietly withdrawn the bulk of their regular forces some weeks ago
Conclusion # 1
If the above is correct, then UAF has launched an attack against a location where they know the enemy is not present. The question to be asked is what military purpose exists in attacking a location devoid of enemy forces? It would be like the Germans attack Bastogne and Patton directs his relief column to Paris because that is where the enemy aint. How does this make sense?
Possible Answer: The US/NATO ISR detected the absence of enemy forces in the area and instituted an attack to deflect attention from the abject failure of the 404 Kherson attack. So the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbour and the Americans invade Chile because it is known that unlike Guadalcanal there are no Japs in Chile and the US needs a victory and some positive press. Identical logic applies in this case. This was not a military assault on the enemy. It is a hokey PR offensive intended to snatch imitation victory from the jaws of Kherson defeat.
The presence of a gloating troll army tends to support this interpretation.
Conclusion # 2
If the above is correct then the RF removed its forces from the area of the salient some weeks ago. This raises the questions “To where did those forces relocate?” and “Why did they leave location A and go to location B?”

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 11 2022 6:40 utc | 323

@Peter in AB
I’m not a member of the Russian Command, so I can’t explain what went through their head.
But, for the third time, Telegram Channels were reporting about the accumulation of military equipment way before the start of the UAF attack. I read about those news at the start of the Kherson “counteroffensive”, and that set a lower limit of at least one week before the launch of the attack in Kharkov.
These are facts. They are not my opinions.
Now, these bloggers do not have sophisticated aerial reconnessaince capabilities, nor access to military satellites or SIGINT. What they post comes from the report of people and military personnel on the ground.
Do you really believe that the Russian Military was unaware while random guys on the internet were posting about the concentration of UAF forces to attack in the Kherson direction for days if not weeks?

Posted by: Leonardo | Sep 11 2022 7:01 utc | 324

SeanAU | Sep 11 2022 6:40 utc | 407
Adding to your comment, which is basically unmasking the real rulers of the world
*international* bankers and their psychological methods of control wielded across all media …..
The Lizard Queen’s funeral is going to provide HUGE *huge* cover for conniving and further conspiring. Global Heads of State and Eminent Persons will all be congregating…
Messages passed, actions covert and overt hatched.
She couldn’t have died at a better time……………
Could she?
{Anyone know what the astrologers say about the planet alignment of her passing?
We don’t have to believe in that sort of mystic shit…. But “they” certainly do. }
And. The announced time is unlikely to be the actual time she snuffed it. If it matters.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 7:03 utc | 325

Oh. And can we assume they just tried to assassinate Imran Khan?
https://t.me/azmilitary11/19703
Not Ukraine related?
Go far enough down the rabbit hole and it’s all related.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 7:07 utc | 326

@379 Sushi “If the above is correct, then UAF has launched an attack against a location where they know the enemy is not present.”
You might like to reflect on the meaning of the word “quietly” in my sentence “So the Russians may indeed have quietly withdrawn the bulk of their regular forces some weeks ago”
If I am right then the Russians withdrew their regular forces from that area when they detected the buildup of Ukrainian forces. It is not a necessary corollary that the Ukrainians detected that withdrawal.
Maybe they did. Maybe they didn’t. But once they started to build up their forces for an offensive then they had to launch it, for obvious political reasons.
“The question to be asked is what military purpose exists in attacking a location devoid of enemy forces?”
Zelensky is a showman. Indeed, he is nothing but show.
Regaining territory is a great show. It will attrack eyeballs on the TV and in the papers.
Reason enough from his PoV to do this.
“It is a hokey PR offensive intended to snatch imitation victory from the jaws of Kherson defeat.”
We Have A Winner!
“The presence of a gloating troll army tends to support this interpretation.”
Ding-Ding! Another bullseye!
“If the above is correct then the RF removed its forces from the area of the salient some weeks ago. This raises the questions ‘To where did those forces relocate?’ and ‘Why did they leave location A and go to location B?’ ”
A1: They relocated over the Oskii River, and formed a new line there.
A2: They moved there because there is a river there, and so it is more defensible.
If I’m right then the Ukrainians are going to get a bloody nose if they attempt to forge that river.
If I’m wrong then there is little to stop the Ukrainians crossing that river and continuing on.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 7:37 utc | 327

Posted by: peter | Sep 10 2022 16:37 utc
Everyone noticed that the Ukrops were massing troops and hardware in Kharkov. I clearly recall messages on many Telegram channels that warned about this.
I don’t think that he Russians did not know it.
My personal impression is the same that many others have: an operation conducted on budget with ensuing lack of manpower, too limited if murky objectives, passivity in the face of open western weaponry supply.
It remains quite obscure to me what is really going on, but Occam razor would make me think it’s just a massive and crushing defeat.

Posted by: DS | Sep 11 2022 7:46 utc | 328

Posted by: Soredemos | Sep 10 2022 16:47 utc | 49
I agree with your analysis 100%.
Of course other explanations are possible, but IMHO much less plausible.
My view is either massive incompetence or limitations due to limited deployment of resources, clearly insufficient to cover a front of that size. Cannot really buy into different explanations.
A master stroke? Military genius that seeks to entrap what is supposedLy left of the Ukrainian army? Doesn’t seem likely. If they were such geniuses Donbass would be free, Odessa and Kharkov liberated, Ukraine reduced to a statelet half ot the size and with no access to the sea. None of this, sadly.
Ithe very fact that trains and infrastructure are still fully functional is quite telling. We’ve been told for months that Ukraine was going to be short of fuel. Doesn’t seem like this to me.
Weapon supplies from the West continues undisturbed. When the present hardware will be destroyed, they will further escalate with the Abrams and other stuff. Russia will be force to keep up with the escaLation and will be in an increasingly difficult domestic political situation. It will be bled dry. This is the American plan. But how about the Russian objectives and plan? They’re not really clear at all to me

Posted by: DS | Sep 11 2022 8:04 utc | 329

There is not a single Russian objective that benefits from this rapid loss of territory:
1) Demilitarization of Ukraine? That would benefit much more from a slow, fighting withdrawal.
2) NATO/EU support for Ukraine? This rapid advance encourages those who believe Ukraine can win.
3) Popular support for Zelensky? Again, this rapid advance will improve support for his ‘no-negotiation’ policy.
4) Protecting the people? The people living in those territories have been abandoned to the SBU.
In other words, it’s a defeat – stop sugarcoating or denying it.
Given the circumstances, without having access to detailed information myself, I do believe the Russian command made the right decision to withdraw. I suspect the reason is a combination of insufficient resources and logistical and terrain considerations, but without detailed knowledge it would be irresponsible to second guess.
Long term the military impact is limited, the balance of power on the frontline has not significantly changed – no mass surrenders took place.
Industrial warfare is a contest of resources. Ukraine went through multiple mobilization waves and received loads of foreign support. Russia took far fewer steps to increase its resources at the front.
This defeat could be used to boost popular support in Russia for commitment of additional resources.
See https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/09/09/u-s-ups-the-ante-are-we-indeed-headed-into-wwiii-and-what-can-save-us/
But given the level of additional resources discussed on Russian state television, they’ll be quite limited and there won’t be any gamechangers.
So it sounds like Russian leadership accepts a continued military stalemate in Ukraine, with some additional resources to prevent further Ukraine breakthroughs.

Posted by: Taiphon | Sep 11 2022 8:08 utc | 330

@348 DS …”but Occam razor would make me think it’s just a massive and crushing defeat”
Except that the demonstrable lack of surrendering Russian garrisons or the desperate plight of cut-off Russian troops don’t support that conclusion.
As in: it is indisputable that the Ukrainian fist closed on this region.
Which looks good, no doubt. Indeed, it looks very defiant indeed. Great optics. Much boasting.
But it is not much of a “crushing victory” if it didn’t actually crush anything.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 8:11 utc | 331

BEN NORTON with MICHAEL HUDSON:
https://www.unz.com/mhudson/debt-relief-inflation-ukraine-disaster-capitalism-petrodollar-crisis/
Posted by: Sushi | Sep 11 2022 6:12 utc | 402
Thanks Sushi. A really good discussion/interview worth listening to or reading, especially for those not fully grasping the many global interconnections of the ‘octopus’
ie the Fascist Neoliberal Military Industrial Financial IT-AI-Social-Media-Intelligence Manipulative Pathological Narcissist Complex …. it’s got many faces and tentacles but they are part of the one giant squid …. the same sick dysfunctional psychology / belief system.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 11 2022 8:27 utc | 332

@347 Taiphon
“There is not a single Russian objective that benefits from this rapid loss of territory”
Of course there is: it minimizes Russian casualties and, importantly, it doesn’t force the Russians into a position where it has to commit the 3rd Army Corp to a sideshow region on the whims of the Ukrainian General Staff.
1) No. Committing the 3rd Army Corp to Donbass rather than to this sideshow is a much better method of demilitarization of the Ukrainians.
2) Sorry, but the eroding of support for Ukraine is only going to happen on the EU home front, not in Ukraine itself. So the Germans etc. are only going to change their tune if they are directly effected. Say, by freezing over winter.
3) Laughable. The Russians could care less about Zelensky’s popular support. They regard him – rightly – as a Washington puppet, and they certainly do not believe he draws any authority or influence via his “popular support”.
4) Sigh. The Concern Troll. Nothing speaks of a western propagandist than the use of Concern Trolling.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 9:33 utc | 333

What people seem to be forgetting in all this is that Russia fears or even expects a full on war with NATO. It cannot deplete the forces at home or even in the far east.
I am I admit getting more and more worried about war with China. The signs are worrying, and I feel military tension in the air- yes even here in Australia.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 11 2022 9:40 utc | 334

RB @ 171:
Have you got a link to that study?

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Sep 11 2022 9:56 utc | 335

@350 ‘Yeah, Right’
Starting a military operation in the first place goes directly against the objective of ‘minimizing casualties’. Minimizing casualties is good generalship, but never the main political objective of a military operation. Remember Clausewitz, war is the continuation of politics through military means.
1) We’ll see in a few weeks, what, if anything, the 3rd Army Corps will accomplish. After that the mud-season starts and operations slow down. Wait and see, won’t take long.
2) People in the EU will be much more willing to endure hardship if they see a positive result of their sacrifices, e.g. Ukraine starts to make military progress. Because with the current media coverage, most people in the EU consider Russia the bully.
3) With military successes Zelensky will not negotiate. Russia does not commit sufficient forces to occupy all of Ukraine. Ergo, the only way to end this conflict is through negotiation.
4) That’s an ad hominem, not a logical argument.

Posted by: Taiphon | Sep 11 2022 10:01 utc | 336

What the day to day exchange of fire in obscure locales in Ukraine mean…. I don’t know.
What is the overall strategy from Russia and NATO+++ …. That does perturb me.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 5:13 utc | 332
Ditto. Great post.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2022 10:05 utc | 337

I don’t know what’s more amazing: the sheer, unbounded contempt that this blogger has for his commenters – or the fact that the commenters, by and large, justify it.

Posted by: Rollory | Sep 11 2022 10:17 utc | 338

But it is not much of a “crushing victory” if it didn’t actually crush anything.
Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 11 2022 8:11 utc | 348
Well said. I read in the first days of the SMO that Russian military posture is to be like water. Fluid yielding surging seeping filling parting flooding evaporating crushing overwhelming. As much Go as chess.
I had one juicy conspiratorial take: they want Biden to stay in without impeachment so are giving his team a win for a while. They will get overconfident and although victories will be reported in Western media, just like last week Ukie casualties will mmount. Why favor Biden? Because those running his regime are pushing confrontation and Putin wants to exhaust US militarism and Nazism in his sphere and the more they continue this the more will be consumed and weaker the West will become both in the kinetic zones but world wide from the sanctions and Chinese lock downs further choking off world supply chain and making collapse more likely. If the House goes red funding might get cut and impeachment might hamper their belligerence.
Well see. Maybe October will see crushing defeat for Ukies….

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2022 10:31 utc | 339

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 11 2022 8:27 utc | 349
FNMIFIASMINPNC
Great label; better acronym. Just like its object. Try and pronounce it and you immediately sense all the tentacles and testicles thrashing around. Completely unintelligible to the average person but hidden in plain sight.

Posted by: Sushi | Sep 11 2022 12:47 utc | 340

The fact Nato is helping Ukrain in what capacity is un important. It should be expected from the start of the SMO, and that it would increase. Giving that as a reason is an admission of inabilty of Russia to anticipate or handle that. I mean Nato sunk the Movskva, they just let a Ukranian push the butten.
That Russia let this happen as a strategy is a major flaw of thinking, this gives Ukraine hope and 100.000 of new cannon fodder. Costing russia 1000s of lives exta. Not to mention the civilians being at the mercy of the “nice” nazies. I turns out you cant trust Russia even when you are 50km behing the front lines. Trust is somthing you lose in a minute ans spend years to build.
Comparing this in anny way to WW2 is not realistic. Russia is the MAJOR power here and expected to win. Them losing big in the second offencive Ukraine mounts is bad to say the least, Pathetic to say the worst. How is the averge Russian looking at this… Not in a military way but in an emotional way. “How can this happen after mauling Ukriane for 6 months, they mount 1 succesfol offensive and our guys RUN for the border”. Putin has to eather increase troops (admiting the SMO has failed, so Ukraine won)_ ore gambling that the SMO holds and hope for succes. Both big gambles.
Manny are negating the fact of PR and propaganda. Battles are won on the field, wars are won in a much boarder sence PR or propaganda is a major factor. Point and case: USA lost in vietnam the moment the TED offensive happend. A major military defeat for N Vietnam, A major PR victory for N Vietnam. USA civ people where shoked the could mount this while being defeated for years. Ensuring USA could never military do what was nesseary to win.

Posted by: HDutch | Sep 11 2022 14:51 utc | 341

First thing the Russians should have deployed 250,000 men in the invasion. Pure Monday morning quarterbacking here but seems to me that the Russians should have used the 40,000 or so paratroopers they had to land behind Kharkov and not Kiev. Then race all the tanks on the Russian Ukraine frontier to rescue these presumably embattled units from the Ukie counter measures in the oblast/area. Ukie Kharkov might have survived the onslaught but I doubt it. Izium would have probably been a side note as the troops moved on to Kramatorsk in this case instead of the fulcrum of seesaw combat.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 11 2022 15:02 utc | 342

Destruction of dual-use facilities at this point may not be politically viable since Russia made a commitment to spare civilian infrastructure and the USA recently announced a similar policy. Also, it is not humanitarian.
However, control of transportation and use of power production is possible. For example, a civilian dual-use policy that only permits train and truck transportation during daylight hours, requires passenger only and freight only trains, permits freight only to be transported on flatbed cars or trailers and that freight has to be uncovered, and trucks cannot be conveyed and have to be separated by a kilometer from each other,etc are some such civilian-dual use controls that could be instituted.
Violators would be subject to attack because of a high likelihood suspect military contraband.
Heat plumes from powerplants could be monitored by limitations on daily heat output set and evaluated remotely.
Communications between local industries and towns and Russia could be established for compliance and to avoid miscommunication. Best politics are local.
This is a humanitarian approach that shouldn’t provide NATO an excuse for intervention.

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 11 2022 16:12 utc | 343

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2022 5:13 utc | 332
““………In this case (Ukrainian nazis) …it is very easy for anyone to see
Yes.
“……and no one denies it to my knowledge.”
Oh. But. They. Do.
Immediately pre, and early days SMO, the controlled MSM was full throated in denying the Nazi DNA of Azov and Right Sector, and their control of the Ukrainian government. Anyone supplying evidence of the Nazi gangs was a Putin payroll troll.”
Oh I certainly agree with that. It was ironic that the same people who were most likely to accuse others of being a Nazi had Ukraine flags in their bios etc. But what I actually meant is do those in the Ukraine who call themselves Nazis not realize or care that they are working for Jews? That’s what seems weird to me.

Posted by: RTX | Sep 11 2022 19:55 utc | 344

@RTX #361
Ukrainian Nazis are not fixated on Jews. They are fixated on their theory of “European strong chosen races” (that, in their opinion, include Ukrainians) vs. “Asiatic weak slave races” (that, in their opinion, include Russians⁠—“Moskals”).
Of course, Ukrainians and Russians have massively intermarried during Soviet times, so there’s no real genetic difference between them anymore (if there was any to begin with), but that doesn’t concern Ukrainian Nazis in the slightest because, according to themselves, their ideology is based on irrationality: they believe themselves to be “chosen” and Russians to be “slaves”, and that is enough to make it so.
Since German Nazis, helped by Ukrainian Nazis, have already killed 1.5 million Ukrainian Jews during WW2, and lots of Jews have emigrated from the Ukrainian SSR / Ukraine to Israel or the U.S., and Ukrainian Nazis’ role models, Anglospherians, are besties with Jews, they’re simply not the primary target anymore. Neither are Poles. The primary target now is only the Russian “slave race”. There are even some Ukrainian Jews who proudly call themselves “Zhidobanderovtsi” (Kike-Banderites).
Again, in many cases, both parents of a “Ukrainian” Nazi are Russian, and the Nazi himself/herself is Russian-speaking, yet they still think Russians are “slaves”, etc. Don’t try to find logic there, it’s a hate cult.

Posted by: S | Sep 11 2022 20:56 utc | 345

Seems this latest regime-change-finally-possible-in-the-Kremlin push, that is overwhelming social media in concert with the victorious-Ukraine-counteroffensive push is sponsored by Mikhail Khodorkovsky —
https://twitter.com/mbk_center
Maybe King Charles III doesn’t approve of him and he’s seeking to vacate London… while maintaining the lifestyle to which he’s accustomed

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 12 2022 0:15 utc | 346