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September 10, 2022
Ukraine – Russian Military Explains Its Withdrawal From The Izium Region

Since September 4, when the Ukrainian operation north of Izium started, the Russia Defense Ministry had said nothing about the issue.

Today it finally published a statement (machine translation):

Statement by the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense

In order to achieve the stated goals of the special military operation to liberate Donbass, a decision was made to regroup the Russian troops stationed in the Balakleya and Izyum regions to build up efforts in the Donetsk direction.

To this end, within three days, an operation was carried out to curtail and organize the transfer of the Izyum-Balakley group of troops to the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic.

During this operation, a number of distraction and demonstration activities were carried out with the designation of the real actions of the troops.

In order to prevent damage to Russian troops, a powerful fire defeat was inflicted on the enemy using aviation, missile troops and artillery.

Over three days, more than two thousand Ukrainian and foreign fighters were destroyed, as well as over a hundred units of armored vehicles and artillery.

(Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation)

Has that been the plan all along?

In retrospect that seems likely. The Russian military must have know that the Ukrainian attack was coming. There was only light resistance against the Ukrainian attack. Major Russian units had already been moved out of the area. The region did not have any public priority in Russian planing. A larger fight would have cost many Russian soldier and civilian lives.

So there were no cunning plans to surround the Ukrainian forces and no real disaster or success on either side.

Well, that is at least what the Russian military says. It also fits to the known facts.

There may be another reason why the Russian military did not want to fight for Izium. In May 1942, during the Second Battle of Kharkov, a Soviet counterattack on Nazi held Kharkov was defeated by two preplanned Nazi attacks south and north of Izium.


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The names on the map will look familiar to those who have followed the current battle over the past days.

The Soviet counterattack ended in a bloody defeat:

On 17 May, the German 3rd Panzer Corps and XXXXIV Army Corps under the command of Fedor von Bock, supported by aircraft, arrived, enabling the Germans to launch Operation Fridericus, pushing back the Soviet Barvenkovo bridgehead to the south. On 18 May, [Marshal Semyon] Timoshenko requested permission to fall back, but Stalin rejected the request. On 19 May, Paulus launched a general offensive to the north as Bock's troops advanced in the south, thus attempting to surround the Soviets in the Izium salient. Realizing the risk of having entire armies surrounded, Stalin authorized the withdraw, but by that time the Soviet forces were already started to be closed in. On 20 May, the nearly surrounded Soviet forces mounted counteroffensives, but none of the attempts were successful in breaking through the German lines. The Soviets achieved some small victories on 21 and 22 May, but by 24 May, they were surrounded near Kharkov.

The Second Battle of Kharkov resulted in an extremely costly loss to the Soviets, which saw 207,000 men killed, wounded, or captured; some estimates put the number as high as 240,000. Over 1,000 Soviet tanks were destroyed during this battle, as well as the loss of 57,000 horses. German losses were much smaller than the Soviets, with over 20,000 killed, wounded, or captured. Soviet General Georgy Zhukov later blamed this major defeat on Stalin, who underestimated German strength in the region and failed to prepare an adequate reserve force to counter the arrival of the German reinforcement that turned the tide.

So it's on towards Donbas.

Comments

Ukrainians are now attacking Donetsk city. They have taken over the airport.
Reports are that the city is virtually in defended due to manpower shortages.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 10 2022 18:06 utc | 101

@ Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 17:45 utc | 97
yeah, you can fuck off too.. you say a lot of stupid shit…

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2022 18:08 utc | 102

Russian victory in Ukraine was too much to hope for. Once America and its lapdog NATO started to back Ukraine with billions in cash and equipment plus mercs and intelligence, it was over. Now that Russia has faltered and is being pushed back, America is looking to take care of Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil and is opening up a front against China using it’s European satraps. No power on Earth can stand against the US.

Posted by: Realist | Sep 10 2022 18:08 utc | 103

don bacon gets back up from yenwoda…. that’s just so great, lolol.. a real thing from tictoc of one guy ranting who is pissed.. yeah.. this is extremely critical info we all need to know about!

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2022 18:10 utc | 104

@Soredemos | Sep 10 2022 16:47 utc | 51
As far back as March we were supposed to be mere days away from the point at which UAF would run out of fuel. I share your observation that it simply ain’t so. Possibly Russia underestimated Western determination to keep the UAF supplied, and quietly gave up. Or the associated infrastructure is owned by someone who is somebody, and lobbied the Kremlin to go easy on his assets. Either way, the Kremlin can be as dogmatic as the West sometimes–fighting this “war” not as it is, but as they’d want it to be.
The fuel and the railways are not the only stories to have disappeared without a trace. The fate of the foreigners trapped at Azovstal, and the trial of the Azovtsi themselves, also make me wonder “Whatever happened to that?”
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@ftmntf | Sep 10 2022 17:08 utc | 73
Yes the Saker has an explanation ready for everything–as a good clergyman should have. And what is his explanation? That a light front line spots and delays the attack, and then retreats so that the mobile defense can crush it. Except of course, that the latter didn’t happen: the cavalry didn’t come, even though now we’re about a week from the moment it became clear that this was serious.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 10 2022 18:14 utc | 105

If you play chess with someone, you can probably afford to have a flaw in your defenses for a move or two; and hope the other doesn’t notice. It’ll probably work.
If you play chess against a computer, you can not afford to have a flaw in your defenses – any weakness of yours is immediately seen and exploited.
It’s the same here. In a normal conflict between Ukraine and Russia, Russia could afford a weak spot somewhere, and by the time the other side notices, the opportunity has already passed. Not now.
Any weakness is seen by the Americans, and immediately a plan is formulated to exploit the weakness, and passed on to the Ucrainians for execution.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 10 2022 18:15 utc | 106

It’s very bad for Russia but not a disaster. Izium and Sloviansk should have been linked up to Seversk and Lysychansk on the south bank of the Donets months ago by Russian regulars. leaving the Ukies on the bank of the Donets around Sloviansk allowed this to happen. They could have cleared out that valley/catchment area in Spring. Why is it not a disaster? That area could be a very fluid theater until the mud comes when battles may cease and open up again as the rivers freeze.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 10 2022 18:15 utc | 107

When a regime drafts women … Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov signed a decree moving the registration of women back one year to October 1, 2023.
Posted by: Karl | Sep 10 2022 17:54 utc | 106
Good thinking! iirc, pool-side TiKTok and Instagram objections to privacy violation of ladies of leisure on the western front quickly dampened Zelesk* expections of gender balance in the armed forces.
Ukraine draft, 7 June 2022 Rada

In Ukraine, the mobilization of women is being prepared for the purpose of “uninterrupted replenishment of the losses of personnel” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. First of all, until June 15, the mobilization of women who are already liable for military service will start, and until June 31 Ukrainian women from 18 to 60 will be registered for military service….

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 10 2022 18:18 utc | 108

james@90. this don bacon sounds like his name has been usurped. we cannot allow the trolling to deflect reasoned thought, i believe that is the objective. clearly the fog & smoke are enough to make us retreat. we must as pete seeger says, push on, despite of the big fellow or the big muddy. cheers, as you often say.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Sep 10 2022 18:19 utc | 109

Good thing we didn’t have internet and social media during WW2… 1939 – 45
The US Police Action (similar to a SMO) into Korea lasted from 1950 – 1953.
Not suggesting that the SMO will last anywhere as long as either of the two.
Millions died and many cities were destroyed.
Perhaps social media is, in this instance, a positive thing … one can see how useless and destructive war can be?

Posted by: crone | Sep 10 2022 18:19 utc | 110

The only faint in all this war was the Kherson offensive, the “real” offensive are those of Izium and above all the next in Donetsk, wait and see.
The Russian should be prepared to send reinforces from all the RF right now if it is not too late….

Posted by: Dave | Sep 10 2022 18:19 utc | 111

b I will hold you personally responsible for the wear and tear on my mouse scroll wheel. So many new name Putin bad, Rus useless one liner type comments.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 10 2022 18:20 utc | 112

Posted by: Realist | Sep 10 2022 18:08 utc | 117

No power on Earth can stand against the US.

You must have been born yesterday, troll. Are they hatching you lot from eggs now?
I know a few Vietnamese rice farmers who did stand and win against the US.
I know a bunch of mountain shepherds who stood and won against the USA.
I know a bunch of Chinamen who kicked yanqui ass with nothing but primitive weapons in Korea …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 10 2022 18:21 utc | 113

James dumped on my 60 which provided a reason for Russia’s retreat, the fact that Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) refuses to fight in the neighboring Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR)…
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 17:32 utc | 87

I watched the video (on the UK Daily Express site – LOL) and there was one overweight old man, say 55-60, arguing with another middle aged man with a “Z” patch on his arm and no other military markings to determine rank or affiliation. He is likely tasked with recruiting volunteers. They both know they are being filmed since they glance at the camera. It could have been staged.
He holds his wife’s hand for the last 1/2 of the video. His objections are reasonable.
But one objector (who would be useless in a combat role in any case) does not a serious movement make, though that is what the Daily Express and you might like us to believe.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 10 2022 18:25 utc | 114

b
please ban trolls and people responding to trolls

Posted by: ld | Sep 10 2022 18:27 utc | 115

All those super-clever “analysts” do not understand one thing, because they just repeat each other’s bullshit they got from some “alternative” site and have no clue what’s going on in ukraine.
With this operation a truly new phase of the SMO has started. NATO is now all in. Everyone who believes the rag-tag “ukrainian army” of stupid young men, pathological russophobes and wannabe-rambos lead by the idiot Zalushny who could not even command a group of boy Scouts has pulled this off needs to have their head examined. This is the point that was to be expected from the start: NATO has now finally realized they are fighting for their very survival in ukraine and poured troops, mercenaries and weapons into eastern ukraine to fight the final battle. Russia would be crazy to go all in against that. They have done exactly the right thing, first get their boys out of harm’s way, establish their best defence lines and now they will assess the situation and make new Plans. At 700 kia a day and with NATO now having to keep troops fixed up in their new territories, with supply lines stretching open to artillery fire it is just a question of time. Who knows what tricks NATO still has up their sleeve. They are like a boxer facing the knock-out punch. This is their last attempt to land their lucky punch. Keeping calm and professional is exactly the right thing to do now. Ignore those hysterical war gonzos calling for ukraine to take over russia. NATO is sacrificing its last weapons and ammo supplies for Ukraine. Winter is coming soon, making most of NATO’s Wunderwaffen useless. Ukraine needs 30 more billions just to keep going, bankrupting the west. From russia’s point of view, what’s not to like ?

Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Sep 10 2022 18:29 utc | 116

emersonreturn | Sep 10 2022 18:19 utc | 124
You are likely right but information warfare like electronic warfare is a place of smoke and mirrors. Don has always mostly only linked MSM but then again a username is easily usurped by state sponsored media warriors.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 10 2022 18:30 utc | 117

Dave | Sep 10 2022 18:19 utc | 126
Feint
noun
A military attack or maneuver that is meant to divert attention away from a planned point of attack.
something feigned
specifically : a mock blow or attack on or toward one part in order to distract attention from the point one really intends to attack
The boxer made a feint with his right, then followed with a left hook.
You’re welcome to your opinion of course. But apparently you haven’t been paying attention. 5,000 Ukr troops died in the last 3 days.

Posted by: crone | Sep 10 2022 18:30 utc | 118

Although I can understand the decision to regroup on the east side of the OSKI river given the circumstance it seems that the Russian strategy to go in with less forces and rely on artillery and air force dominance does not work anymore due to the number of raw manpower that Kiev regime has and they are willing to sacrifice them (as we saw in Khershon region).
I have no idea what the Russian command thinks and how it operates but when they took Izyum in March this seemed very logical in the context of cutting communication to Slavijansk. Furthermore, I was expecting a push from the south after the Marioupul and Lugansk oblast fell to in order and meet with Izyum grouping to completely cut the Donbass from the rest of Ukraine. Instead there are still fights in the area of Donetsk airport, the city is bombarded almost daily and furthermore we see today UKRO telegram and twitter accounts spreading news about recapture of the airport and even the attacking the city itself (apparently not true but how this week has been going…).
Since I am not military expert I cannot tell what to do but it seems that they need the change of strategy. I also never understood why the infrastructure is not bombed, TV station, electricity grid etc.

Posted by: Patton | Sep 10 2022 18:31 utc | 119

Sounds to me like an excellent opportunity to throw a heavy flying fist from Kherson region to Kryvyi Rih or Dnipropetrovsk, right bank of the . Or through Kadyrov’s breakthrough at Donetsk to Pavlohrad. An Inchon.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Sep 10 2022 18:33 utc | 120

Does someone have a video link for the Ukie armored columns advancing in daylight over open terrain? I can understand that the Russian air force is not free to operate behind Ukie lines, but that didn’t apply here; anyway, to my amateur eyes this seemed the time to risk 1~2 Russian planes/helos, in order to avoid much worse.
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@Mark Mosby | Sep 10 2022 17:01 utc | 64
Well the Ukie army as it was on 23 Feb has probably been largely defeated. Problem is a new one is constantly being created, while Russia is not being serious about interdicting that.
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@Black Cloud | Sep 10 2022 17:07 utc | 70
>If Russia gets pissed off they will take off the kid gloves,
>which appears to be the West’s intent. Be careful of what you
>wish for.
If only. The West feels free to act because their escalations and provocations don’t get the necessary stern answer–and warnings don’t count. It’s a bit devil’s advocate, but: could it be that Russia went sort on this offensive because they know damn well that many NATO regulars (in Ukie uniform) are participating? Such timidity would be fatal; I’m not always with Paul Craig Roberts but I think he has this one right.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 10 2022 18:33 utc | 121

@ emersonreturn | Sep 10 2022 18:19 utc | 124
thanks… you’re right..

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2022 18:34 utc | 122

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 16:56 utc | 60
Posted by: james | Sep 10 2022 16:58 utc | 62
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 17:12 utc | 75
Posted by: james | Sep 10 2022 17:28 utc | 83
The British press is a cesspit of corruption and dishonesty. The Express is one of the worst offenders. The only factual information they publish is the date on the front page. You would be well advised to check even that before relying on it. Everything else is disinformation.

Posted by: Ranelagh | Sep 10 2022 18:40 utc | 123

ArmchairWarlord has returned to Twitter. Remain calm.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Sep 10 2022 18:42 utc | 124

The idea that we should only refer to US media is ridiculous on the face of it, even if drummer boy does favor the idea.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 18:43 utc | 125

james @90 ditto emerson @124; obviously not the Don Bacon that has posted here, and a few other places. b recently mentioned the handle hijacking phenomenon (and hasn’t someone else already posted using your own handle?).
That it’s happening with such urgent frequency over this particular subject is quite telling. Those who have seen this sort of thing before know that it indicates the usual establishment scumbags are getting frantic.
Anyway, don’t get too upset; the scumbags are nervous, and that’s a good thing ^_^

Posted by: robjira | Sep 10 2022 18:44 utc | 126

captures a lot of prisoners is more impressive than a tactical withdrawal.
Posted by: Christian Chuba | Sep 10 2022 16:50 utc | 55
“Impressive” in what sense of puropose? And to whom?
atm, G7 OCHCR’s campaign to impugn the RF attention to ICRC and Geneva Conventions rolls on without obstruction into pornographic fantasy. Russia is preventing access to Ukraine war prisoners

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 10 2022 18:45 utc | 127

🇷🇺🇺🇦 LPR Ambassador to the Russian Federation Rodion Miroshnik denied the information about the entry of Ukrainian troops into the territory of the LPR – Lisichansk and Svatovo are under the complete control of our troops.
Against the backdrop of the withdrawal of troops from near Izyum, the enemy is now seeking to sow panic with reports of success in other sectors, which we have already observed in the case of Aleksandrovka (Kherson), Yasynuvata and Svatovo with Lisichansk.
It is also worth noting another fresh fake that the Armed Forces of Ukraine occupied the Donetsk airport.
Of course, there is nothing even close to that. The DPR army continues to pick strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine behind the take-off.
https://t.me/intelslava/36721

Posted by: Barofsky | Sep 10 2022 18:47 utc | 128

Posted by: Ranelagh | Sep 10 2022 18:40 utc | 141
LOL! funny because it’s soooooooo true.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 10 2022 18:48 utc | 129

One of you head-nodders please tell me why the refusal of Luhansk to fight in Donetsk, after being shorted by Russia, thus contributing to the Russian withdrawal, is not to be believed.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 18:50 utc | 130

@138
telegram channels are full of it. some footage are looking surreal, a huge column of ukros walking around freely like in a picnic or hiking enjoying scenery?! also motorized columns are driving through the steppes like in mad max movies cheering and giving high fives around? like a walk in the park. they almost broke russia lines on foot with light arms. what is wrong with that picture? how about everything.

Posted by: denazi | Sep 10 2022 18:50 utc | 131

One of you head-nodders please tell me why the refusal of Luhansk to fight in Donetsk, after being shorted by Russia, thus contributing to the Russian withdrawal, is not to be believed.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 18:50 utc | 151

LOL… drop it Don. A video of one overweight senior citizen refusing to be recruited does not equal “the refusal of Luhansk to fight in Donetsk”.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Sep 10 2022 19:01 utc | 132

@ Opport Knocks | Sep 10 2022 19:01 utc | 154
I expected as much . . .”A video of one overweight senior citizen”
Take a bow, with james.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 19:05 utc | 133

Sergei Viktorovich Lavrov
forwarded from Mordor
A tactical retreat in certain sectors of the front was necessary to save the lives of Russian soldiers and create a base for the formation of a full-fledged retaliatory strike and seizing the initiative in this direction . The enemy threw all his reserves on the counteroffensive and suffered huge irreparable losses. The Ukrainian government is in a stalemate.
At the same time, many Ukrainian generals were against the counteroffensive, but the clown Zelensky decided to take a chance in order to create a hype in the media and the appearance of the combat capability of the army. For the sake of this adventure, all the best units, mercenaries and almost all types of NATO weapons were thrown into hell. Currently, they are systematically destroyed. There is no doubt that when the loss figures become the property of the Ukrainian public, popular discontent will become an even greater problem for Kyiv than Russian troops.
In conclusion, it must be said that the situation has become an occasion for unreasonable panic in the Russian media. Possessing incomplete information, many resources draw incorrect conclusions, mislead people, which only plays into the hands of the enemy. On the battlefield, things are much more complex, and there are many factors to consider.

Posted by: crone | Sep 10 2022 19:06 utc | 134

The source adds to the previous post above that the Office of the President has now literally thrown all its forces into the attack, Zelensky personally gave the order not to spare any resources to achieve the goal. The main goal of Bankovaya is the collapse of the Russian defense line and launching domino effect. Now attacks have begun in many other places*, probing for weaknesses. If this succeeds AFU will win, if not the game will go to the second half and everything can change there. After all, the best fighters of Special Forces and Alpha are conducting these operations, losses of such personnel are irreplaceable even within six months.
#legitimate
*there are news of Ukrainian attacks in Liman and Kherson front (Aleksandrovka); both fronts stable so far.

https://t.me/c/1457857852/13330

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 10 2022 19:09 utc | 135

@153
“I remind you Ukraine got a lot of villages with just a few guys on APC from the 60’s and pick-up trucks, very limited aircraft numbers, and maybe only 2 or 3 HIMARS on their back.
That was enough to get 30% of Kharkov oblast in 5 days”.
that’s the worst part of this humiliation. i was expecting nothing less from someone who is obsessed with stupid Olympics, military parades and war (video) games. yeah, we kicked ass of this cardboard enemy! meanwhile on the front lines ukros are walking like in Disneyland while eating ice cream in plain steppes…

Posted by: denazi | Sep 10 2022 19:15 utc | 136

the refusal of Luhansk to fight in Donetsk, after being shorted by Russia, thus contributing to the Russian withdrawal, is not to be believed.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 18:50 utc | 151
I don’t know to whom you refer, BUT I will say this: conficts between civil and RF military governors is most pronounced in Luhansk, in my mind, than acknowledged in this forum. Luhansk Gov. Wutshistits has publicly equivocated his allegiance to constituents and K*v from the beginning: he’s been my cockroach alert. The occasional SBU assassination and kidnap in, say, Khark*v, Kherson, or Melitipol—not to mention headcount of ‘fugees E or W “evacuation”/”deportation”—does quite capture the tenuous hold either side claims to have on liberated territories. More important and no matter how much canvassing freelance reporters do, my impression is those left-behinders, scavaging for “humanitarian aid,” are in no position to sacrife life and limb to either cause at the contact lines. Rather, their resignation come what may of military manuevers and opportunistic vengence among neighbors is palpable. So. I’m far from assigning weight of voluntary enlistment to either side’s strategem.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 10 2022 19:15 utc | 137

I would like to ad another POV, the civilians. As of now, Russia didn’t announce or intend to take over Charkov oblast. They distributed food but did not repair infrastructure. So, what do do with the civilians when winter arrives? Bring them to Russia. RF has lot of space but a demographic problem – additional loyal people are fine. And the cost to rebuild their towns in situ or to build them new flats somewhere in proper Russia is similar, whilst the latter offer fewer risks of being destroyed in the ongoing war. If there is also an aspect that Russia sees many unfriendly citizens or even sleepers among the local population, a more or less forced speedy extraction (the Boucha example may speed decision making up) may sort them out. This may create a kind of emptied area which is easier to defend because free of (friendly) civilians. Something similar to what existed in between the Teutonic Order and Grand Duchy of Lithuania back in 1300something, the Big Wilderness.

Posted by: BG13 | Sep 10 2022 19:21 utc | 138

Impossible to resolve questions about motivation, and “success” is a “fat lady sings” issue. The only thing I’m sure of is that the “amass troops without the Russians noticing it” claim is an absolute howler, even if they held the binoculars the wrong way around. They knew it was coming, they knew it would be messy, but it solves some problems if the logistics can handle it. I agree with Dima and the New Atlas – if it doesn’t collapse in a heap, it’ll be a gift to Russia. IMO.

Posted by: TPaine | Sep 10 2022 19:23 utc | 139

@Don Bacon #156, lol. They just looked at the screenshot and didn’t hit play. They thought the “Captain from Luhansk” is the guy making the complaints!

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 10 2022 19:23 utc | 140

Posted by: t | Sep 10 2022 19:03 utc | 155
Wow! Where does this anger come from? Your mother didn’t breast feed you?
Nobody forces you to watch Lira. I don’t. Watched him a couple of times. He is easy to listen to but worth spending much time.
This blog is inundated now with angry people and trolls.

Posted by: RB | Sep 10 2022 19:27 utc | 141

Carlos Marques @ 153
It does look like a humiliating disaster and the MOD statement sounds like spin. It will look even worse if the Donbass operation continues to stall out.
For the civilians, it is difficult to leave your house, property, life, and everything you have to move to a new country. That is a tough decision. It should have been fairly well know what would happen if you fall back into the hands of the Ukrainians. Starting over is not easy, especially if you are older.
Staying behind is not easy. It is war and it leaves for fast tough decision to be made in fast moving situations.
For the future, war without end over there. If Russia does not make a serious attempt to counter then they look weak in they eyes of the countries on their border. Weakness is a receipt for all the hounds to move in and start tearing pieces off.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 10 2022 19:29 utc | 142

Posted by: George Michalopulos | Sep 10 2022 16:46 utc | 50
Quite the smart analysis!

Posted by: osi | Sep 10 2022 19:30 utc | 143

Do we know (I don’t) the relative sizes of SMO ground components, including: Donbass, Chechen, Russian (if any) etc?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 19:31 utc | 144

Posted by: mario2 | Sep 10 2022 19:29 utc | 168
Yes if Russia aren’t prepared to commit the necessary forces to procure the SMO then nukes should be firmly on the table as the way out

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 10 2022 19:32 utc | 145

To all you purported Ukrainian supporters, if had to serve in the military which country would it be with? Am sure Russia is anticipating more NATO and US activity as the Ukrainians are removed from the battlefield and Russia’s current strategies reflect that. Once NATO and the US commit large numbers to Ukraine then the complete removal of US forces from Europe and Asia can begin in earnest. The biggest concern then will be potential nuclear holocaust. If the US does strike Moscow/St Petersburg, expect every US port city to be struck along with at least 20 nukes striking the DC area. Major metropolitan areas in the US and Europe will also be targeted since that is what Moscow and Saint Petersburg are. Having fun yet?

Posted by: Joe | Sep 10 2022 19:33 utc | 146

@39 Every armchair general on Telegram was showing vids of a huge Ukronazi build up, including armor near Chuhuiv for the last two weeks. But you want us to believe the RuMOD didn’t notice it or it was hidden by “forests”?
No, this entire SMO smelled fishy from the get go. How the entire world pivoted from CV19 on the turn of a dime to the war in Ukraine in one day. Only plausible explanation I can come up with: This is all part of the Great Reset/Agenda 2030 and all that it entails ( food shortages, ect). This was all planned from jump-street. And all the world leaders are in on it. They all pushed the jab and all had Q-code passes, ect ect.

Posted by: Mike Tanner | Sep 10 2022 19:36 utc | 147

@Peter in AB
Once again, if you didn’t see the Kharkov Preparation, then you weren’t paying attention, because Russian Telegram channels have been pointing out the accumulation of UAF forces for a push on Balakleya at the very least since the start of the Kherson “counteroffensive”.
Today on the ColonelCassad Telegram channel a notice about the accumulation of forces for a strike in the Ugledar area was reported.
In my opinion the chance that the Russian Command was not aware of a coming attack in the Kharkov region is basically 0.
I don’t know what exactly happened, nor why the Russians did not keep a reserve force close enough to the frontlines in that area, like they did in Kherson. But I’m pretty convinced they were neither surprised nor unaware.

Posted by: Leonardo | Sep 10 2022 19:37 utc | 148

@ sln2002 | Sep 10 2022 19:15 utc | 161
. . .conflicts between civil and RF military governors is most pronounced in Luhansk, in my mind, than acknowledged in this forum.
Thanks for that. Makes we wonder how the authority of the “RF military governors ” matches with the Luhansk military commands. It sounds complicated, and a problem for those down the chain of command.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 19:38 utc | 149

This blog is inundated now with angry people and trolls.
Posted by: RB | Sep 10 2022 19:27 utc | 167
Yes, that’s how I feel. I’m afraid b’s unfortunate piece set off a shitstorm here and made the comments seriously tedious, ad infinitum. And there’s something obscene about this army of armchair ‘strategists’ giving ‘advice’ on what the russians, and the ukrainians should be doing, as they die and get torn to pieces. This is as dumb as it gets I’m afraid.

Posted by: Barofsky | Sep 10 2022 19:39 utc | 150

So much hype, so much doom for Russia. But it doesn’t really matter, they saw major offensive, reassessed own formations, and decided to retreat & regroup.
Lost few villages? Yeah
Lost few ammunition dumps, and tanks? Yeah
Lost their army? Nope
Give one, two days more and UAF will run out of steam, while being shelled and bombed.
And only then RF will decide how to respond.

Posted by: 101st Chairborne Division, Jeff | Sep 10 2022 19:41 utc | 151

Well, it now looks like the plans of the neocons will come to fruition. Russia will be a gas station for the West for a thousand years beginning in 2025. Clean Break Part Deux.

Posted by: Bill Grenier | Sep 10 2022 19:45 utc | 152

@Leonardo #175, I agree. They were not unaware. IMO they were thinly manned on that front and faced political pressure to keep pushing against Sloviansk/Kramatorsk, where Ukraine made modest gains last month. So they didn’t shift units to defend Balakliya without an active fight to justify it.
They probably figured they would have time to react because Ukraine would use Russian tactics of arty bombardment for days/weeks with RIF trying to suss out troop concentrations and strong + weak points. They simply didn’t expect the assault to start with a huge and determined combined-arms push, throwing everything in at once.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 10 2022 19:46 utc | 153

PS: It seems the people here have completely forgotten what this conflict is all about!

Posted by: Barofsky | Sep 10 2022 19:47 utc | 154

Wow, all this “look how weak Russia is” stuff keeps coming. Meanwhile the USA and Western Europe is going down a spiral of moral and economic high decay. The trolls love using words like “disaster”, but they may want to keep that for the time their paycheck fails and they get to know Orlov’s description of decay personally. Russia will do what it needs to do, it has solid foundations. Ukraine has worse foundations than Venice. But in the meantime, Ukrainians keep dying for nothing, conscripted men who could have been normal farmers, artisans, musicians, scientists, whatever…all this blood spilt, how do you love that, Trolls?…I have no compassion for the dead or mutilated mercenaries however and if ever a bomb falls on Langley, that will be one bomb I won’t protest against…Heavens, how stupid they are and all their trolls infesting this site too…

Posted by: Anthony | Sep 10 2022 19:49 utc | 155

It’s moments like these I feel the Russian High command doesn’t have a plan and is just fcuking around with people’s lives.
The fcuk you all doing in Ukraine in the first place if not to neutralize the threat to Russia? This strategy of: yea we clinically retreated from this river because we have bad historical feelings about it” has no place in an army of conquest or deNazification or whatever. Next it will be: oh the bread was stale.
Pussies. Incompetent pussies. Always leaving it to winter to do your dirty work.
Syria was a good fight.

Posted by: Jacq | Sep 10 2022 19:50 utc | 156

elensky cannot win the war against Russia with its superior shelling capability, massive air superiority, missile offense and defense, reserves of men and material, logistics, and a superior military doctrine.
elensky is filling his bank accounts by selling the country to foreign corporations. When he exits the Russians will find that Ukraine has new corporate owners. Given Putin’s respect for international law will there be a problem with kicking the corporations out?

Posted by: Krollchem | Sep 10 2022 19:51 utc | 157

Very interesting the direction that the NATO trolls have taken with their trollery. “Our guys are death squad psycho killers and now they are going to torture and kill your civilians! lololol!”
Too many of the SOCOM – MISO trolls have taken that approach for it to be some randomness in the trollery. This is deliberate information war strategy by the Empire. Have they stopped trying to pretend they are not terrorists or are they desperate?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 10 2022 19:53 utc | 158

Researchers at the University of Adelaide have published a landmark paper on the activities of bot accounts on Twitter related to the conflict in Ukraine. These Australian findings are truly staggering – of 5.2 million tweets on the social media network from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were shared by fake accounts. What’s more, 90% of those posts were pro-Ukraine.
It continues.

Posted by: RB | Sep 10 2022 19:55 utc | 159

since i read russian:
“russia lured them into the open in balaklaeva and izum. there are not fortified places in both places and it will be easier to finish them of in the open spaces. they simply don’t have enough to defend itself. important thing to notice: it is most prepared part of the ukros military which will be a fatal blow to them. it will take several days”…
fingers crossed…wait and see…

Posted by: denazi | Sep 10 2022 19:56 utc | 160

One thing’s proven, the Putinbots no longer can claim Russia can’t significantly increase the invasion force because the whole rest of the army needs to be a reserve in case of a full-scale NATO attack.
If they can bring 50,000 troops over to Vladivostok to perform a glorified parade, thereby proving that no one thinks those troops need to be on station vs. a NATO offensive, then the invasion force can be augmented by at least that number as the “SMO”-sitzkrieg is transformed into a real war effort, as we now know is necessary.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Sep 10 2022 19:56 utc | 161

The textual white noise level of the MoA bar has gone up considerably.
Its almost like someone thinks it is going to make a reality difference in the civilization war humanity is in.
This used to be such a nice small friendly bar…grin…we haven’t this much excitement since US (s)election days…..blather on…..

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2022 19:58 utc | 162

when the Russians retreated from Kiev, they were also “repositioning forces”.
same old. Putin’s fake and gay little war in Ukraine
is getting fake’r and gay’r by the day.

Posted by: Haxo Angmark | Sep 10 2022 20:00 utc | 163

news report, from the files
The Russian military will soon exhaust its combat capabilities and be forced to bring its offensive in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region to a grinding halt, according to Western intelligence predictions and military experts. . .WaPo, June 25, 2022 . here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 20:01 utc | 164

@ psychohistorian | Sep 10 2022 19:58 utc | 190
This used to be such a nice small friendly bar…grin…we haven’t this much excitement since US (s)election days…..blather on…..
Sometimes moa is a happy club with everyone agreeing, sometimes it isn’t. Live with it. Think of all the clicks.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 20:07 utc | 165

Kherson oblast and Zaporozhiya oblast are being defended by RF without the assistance of militia coming from the Donbass republics. I think that Kharkov oblast used to be defended by militia from the Donbass republics, but that from now on the liberation of the Kharkov district will be done by RF alone that originate directly from Russia. So the whole thing of regrouping means that one group (marked with ‘Z’, originating & belonging to the Donbass republics) is retreating back to the Donbass, while another group – marked with an ‘O’ instead of the well-known ‘Z’ – is taking over the task of liberating the Kharkov oblast. This ‘O’ force comes directly from Russia. It means that the liberation operation of the Kharkov oblast will be taking place separately from the liberation operation of the Donbass.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Sep 10 2022 20:07 utc | 166

The Russian army is announcing a withdrawal of its forces, and I congratulate them on their continued game of chess.
Men before honor and yes it settles their own conflict
And that is precisely where men’s honor comes from.
I think the diseased westerners are definitely dead.
It is indeed a war of the colonialist West.
Balance of a couple of weeks.
Hospitals are full up to kiev, the ukraine is larg so.
There’s been a thousand deaths in the last two weeks.
The Ukrainian material is now a pile of scrap.
And finally they took a big empty space, great.
The SMO has never worked better the Western Nazi material has come out of the wood out of the cities, it is precisely one of the conditions to hit openly and hard with the least civilian loss it is a guideline of the SMO.
Having the Russian army bend in a somewhat lacunal statement or they withdraw demonstrated once again that there are men in the
Orders and not Proxy Criminal Businessmen
The colonialist west died, even his queen died.

Posted by: la bouteille | Sep 10 2022 20:10 utc | 167

@ Ranelagh | Sep 10 2022 18:40 utc | 141
thanks.. i agree.. i said much the same in my first response…
@ robjira | Sep 10 2022 18:44 utc | 145
yes, i agree.. name hijacking has been happening.. thanks… you are one of the infrequent regulars who can see it too.
interesting comment below given how the us$ printing press has been working overtime for like forever… i can’t see that changing until more countries wake up to usa imperialism under the guise of imf, world bank, rules based order and all the rest of the shit they sell in the msm…
Slavyangrad
Forwarded from
Masno
Very interesting conversation with someone in Ukraine.
So the territorial defence forces in Ukraine get 100 000 UAH for the first month, this is very good money ($2700)…no wonder they have thousands of willing fighters.

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2022 20:10 utc | 168

psychohistorian | Sep 10 2022 19:58 utc | 190
full moon activity fwiw.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Sep 10 2022 20:11 utc | 169

@195 Things got pretty hot during the Kenosha riots. I was expecting someone to start a fire in the bar.

Posted by: dh | Sep 10 2022 20:16 utc | 170

@t | Sep 10 2022 18:33 utc | 136

Anyone heard from Gonzalo Lira? He’s in this same area, right? I hope that chain smoking loser has been captured and is now being tortured by the ukienazis. Is that to much to ask?

Yes, that is too much to ask. Why don’t you check his public spaces before sharing your darkest wishes. But I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 10 2022 20:18 utc | 171

The Russians have announced they’re retreating from the entire Kharkov region. That means abandoning Izyum and Kupyansk. Russia has suffered a very serious military defeat.
Everything Igor Strelkov warned over his Telegram account has proven true. He’s been trying to alert the Russian world (and its supporters) for a long time that Russia’s military position in Ukraine is shabbily organized and defended, and addition to being seriously undermanned. Now look what’s happened.
I never took Strelkov seriously because I thought he was just fear-mongering. My perception of him, I am now convinced, was wrong. The guy clearly knows his military affairs.
Think about how many thousands of Russian soldiers died in taking Izium and other parts of Donbass these past few months. All for nothing. Also, think about how many pro-
Russians living in the Kharkov, Kupyansk, and Izium areas will now be murdered or tortured by vicious Ukrainian nationalists. This is an outrage.
If Russia failed to hold the line in the Kharkov, Kupyansk, and Izyum areas, that’s serious reason for believing it will not be able to defend Crimea and DNR/LNR either. Not unless the Kremlin puts Russia on a war footing immediately and drastically up-ramps troop levels and weaponry on the battle front.
What’s happening in Kharkov-Kupyansk-Izyum right now is an outrage.
Russia must get serious and use all its resources to crush Ukraine. By ANY means necessary.

Posted by: GW | Sep 10 2022 20:20 utc | 172

[i am quite in opposition with MOA’s response to the plandemic… another story] yet
I still frequent this haunt for news? and company. I came a lot 2014+ -ish, and beyond, for a while now,less so.
donbass steeled my perception of this world (good vs bad etc et al)…, MOA has at least confirmed that thing if not others..
i am not in the habit of posting here..
WTF!! happened with the invasion bots? the negativity is across my apparent board,…if i look at gonzoslava stuff it is all quite -ve ?? wtf, are they all freakish sheeples baaa-ing? or just another media shitshow??
did the russians just get another broken nose and a tooth knocked out, WAR, did nato more openly mass THEIR forces and try some guiderian armour fist? so fkn what? russia has seen it all before and WON.
or did something really bad happen according to the script of this NWO War?? all a strange sacrificial pantomime???
some serious concern trolling tonight.
i am not that, just pointing out the massive gaps in things, and the serious bot invasion here!!!

Posted by: rubberheid | Sep 10 2022 20:22 utc | 173

If I got the analogy right, it goes like this:
1942 & 2022: Kharkov a major battle front
1942 & 2022: Russia the first-mover, seeks to re-take the city and to push the enemy farther west
1942: Russia underestimates German strength
2022: Russia has prudent regard for Ukrainian/NATO strength
1942: Germany reinforces area; looks to attack
2022: Ukraine reinforces area; looks to attack
1942: Russian army falters; Timoshenko asks to pull back; denied by Stalin
2022: Russian army has not faltered; troop pull-back authorized, pre-planned
1942: Germany wins
2022: Winner TBA

Posted by: Jimmy Scungilli | Sep 10 2022 20:24 utc | 174

All war is based on deception. It seems the Russians are trying to save face. Then again it could be a further ruse to draw more Ukrainian forces into the trap by saying it is not a trap and the Russians are regrouping their forces. Sun Tzu Art of War, make your enemy believe you are far away when you are near and near when you are far away. It is very possible we could see a Russian counter-counter offensive in the area. It is also very possible that this is Z last throw of the dice and what we are seeing is Ukraine throwing everything it has into this offensive leaving it weak elsewhere. It will be interesting to see if Ukraine can keep this offensive up. Ukraine has all this equipment from NATO but with the way things are going in Europe for how much longer will NATO be able to arm and supply Ukraine without seriously weakening themselves? How will the different NATO countries replace equipment sent to Ukraine if furnaces and smelters are closing and it’s difficult to obtain titanium and aluminium?

Posted by: Sanz | Sep 10 2022 20:25 utc | 175

@ Oblomovka daydream | Sep 10 2022 20:07 utc | 196
Kherson oblast and Zaporozhiya oblast are being defended by RF without the assistance of militia coming from the Donbass republics. I think that Kharkov oblast used to be defended by militia from the Donbass republics, but that from now on the liberation of the Kharkov district will be done by RF alone that originate directly from Russia. So the whole thing of regrouping means that one group (marked with ‘Z’, originating & belonging to the Donbass republics) is retreating back to the Donbass, while another group – marked with an ‘O’ instead of the well-known ‘Z’ – is taking over the task of liberating the Kharkov oblast. This ‘O’ force comes directly from Russia.. . It means that the liberation operation of the Kharkov oblast will be taking place separately from the liberation operation of the Donbass.
Thank you for that, it’s not general knowledge I’m afraid (but who can read everything these days). . .and 1,300 Chechens are headed for Kherson according to somebody.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 20:25 utc | 176

Oskil and Donets are a pretty good new border to defend for the Russians. Izium is an historically vital ford of the Donets. So the loss of the fordable area is a lousy thing for Russia as a direct road form Belogorod to Sevastapol has been lost. However, the ww2 cases suggest it’s an exploitable vulnerable area if you are driving forces in from the Kharkov City area. Manstein did this to the Russians right here after Stalingrad, almost like we are watching ghost armies. Izium also got mugged in spring 1942 from the Kharkov direction. I’d like to see the Russian casualities form the last 20 days in the area top make up my mind about exactly what the Russian command have been up to in the immediate area.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Sep 10 2022 20:32 utc | 177

This thread had become so inundated with troll comments that it has become unreadable / incomprehensible and supplies no further useful information, other than the pathetic trolls are freaking out.
So far, the opera is far from over. A number of Ukrainian Banderites may not know it yet, but they could be visited tonight by Uncle Kinzhal, paying them a special visit. Should this be the case, I wish them a pleasant journey.
And the trolls? Let them steep in their own juices and waste more taxpayer money for their own lost causes. It’s all just part of their own downfall as the empire happily burns.

Posted by: GreyRaven | Sep 10 2022 20:33 utc | 178

Hmmmmm. Just looking at the map. The city of Kharkov is sitting alone with thousands of its defenders now fighting a hundred kilometers southeast of the city. How big a garrison did the Ukies leave behind? If Russia could find a way to move a large force between the city and the Ukie troops to the southeast then Russia might just have an easier time capturing the second largest city in the Ukraine. Perhaps a few thousand paratroopers could be dropped into the southeast edge of the city and artillery and air power used to prevent the Ukies from returning. Anyway, it seems Kharkov city and its Ukrainian defenders are now separated and Russia could take advantage of that, if it wants to.

Posted by: Chas | Sep 10 2022 20:35 utc | 179

You can’t spin this. This is a humiliating defeat which will embolden NATO and bolster Ukranian resistance. Russia’s strategy has failed. From the analyses I’ve read, Izium is a key city, and a lot was invested in taking it. To say that now, while they coincidentally being attacked, they decided that it wasn’t really important and they’re just giving it up doesn’t have any credibility.
They have abandoned the Russians in those cities to a horrible fate.

Posted by: bachac | Sep 10 2022 20:37 utc | 180

One; The “column of Ukies walking about like in a park” is exactly that. They were going to a Paintball game. Nothing else. (This video came out at the beginning of the offensive and was debunked equally quickly)
The Bot/MsM offensive has now changed to one where the Ukies are attacking everywhere at the same time. Throw in a bit more confusion obviously. Don’t forget this is part of modern asymetrical warfare.
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One Map which I saw (and discarded) showed…. eeerrrr “leaked” according to the text, “the” advance going through Luhansk oblast – then to Rostov-on-Don (inside Russia, I hasten to add for the benefit of PM Truss or other “trusties”), then following the Southern coast of the Azov sea towards Sochi (Although the ski slopes are not opened yet, but they may be by the time they get there) and crossing the Kersch bridge into Crimea. Sort of an updated map of the battle plan that was found at the beginning of the SMO on an Ukie Computer. Since drawing blue lines on maps is the easy part, it was mentally filed as “bunkum”.
However, the lines “they will plough through Kupyansk and break out and proceed south into the Russian’s operational rear, which is totally empty of any effective combat units,” by Peter in AB | Sep 10 2022 19:11 utc | 159, shows a possible aim of NATO: That is to invade Russia directly. Starting north of Kupiansk,via Luhansk by calling it an Ukrainian offensive. Thus starting a war directly against Russia by using only Ukraine and the EU as the nominal “proxies”, in order to avoid a direct nuclear war with the US. The ZNPP could also be made to play a role.
A “justification” for the “Zmadman” to get arms that will reach Moscow?
Supposition on my part. I won’t both eating crow if I am wrong as they are getting rare hereabouts. (“Support nature”, although I am a bit surprised that Nature still supports us).
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THe Botters have now started to play down the quantity and quality of arms that have already been supplied to Ukraine. (Latest seen is a sophisticated form of Sonic and electronic mine). That this is now MSM “policy” is confirmed by a TV fiend, sorry typo…friend, where the talk shows are saying that the arms have been only promised but not delivered. Patently false disinformation. Also to minimise that the overall command structure is mainly, if not totally, a NATO/US affair, and many armed forces from NATO countries are involved.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 10 2022 20:38 utc | 181

psychohistorian | Sep 10 2022 19:58 utc | 190
Perhaps if we used the LGBTQ exercise as the engine and throttle of our experience, the healing powers of our breath would physically and emotionally release the trauma, stress and anxiety of the civilisational war we are in.

Posted by: Moabserver | Sep 10 2022 20:45 utc | 182

“The SMO has never worked better the Western Nazi material has come out of the wood out of the cities, it is precisely one of the conditions to hit openly and hard with the least civilian loss it is a guideline of the SMO”.
la bouteille | Sep 10 2022 20:10 utc | 197
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Chas | Sep 10 2022 20:35 utc | 210
Oblomovka daydream | Sep 10 2022 20:07 utc | 196 (from. Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 20:25 utc | 207
That is going to be very nasty if, at the same time, the Ukie force are in the open and bombarded, with a river in front and kilometres to the relative safety of an urban area – behind them.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 10 2022 20:49 utc | 183

“Russians retreated from Kiev”
A month later Azov surrendered in Mariupol (which is being rebuilt).

Posted by: Keith | Sep 10 2022 20:49 utc | 184

The confidence that Russia is fine reminds me of the confidence that Larry Johnson and Scott Ritter had back in March about how quickly this would end. The west has upped what they have sent and the HIMARS that arrived in June have put the Kherson region on the other side of the river on shaky footing. Re-supply seems very problematic.
“Russians know how to build pontoon bridges”
And HIMARS can take those out as well.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 10 2022 20:51 utc | 185

Posted by: Simon | Sep 10 2022 20:51 utc | 217
Well guess what, it won’t end simply because Ukraine is a full military dictatorship controlled by outside organizations who will use all of them as cannon fodder.
Losing Kharkov region does make the original SMO goals moot. One thing to learn here that despite how many CAS or artillery, you can’t fight a war without “enough” boots on the ground. Having an advantage in firepower actually reduces ones losses compared to the enemy, too.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 10 2022 20:57 utc | 186

Hmmm…that sounds like a bit of copium!

Posted by: Bfink | Sep 10 2022 20:57 utc | 187

The US wants to drag Russia into a larger military conflict while the big battle is being played out everywhere else.
It is wise to bear a single injury in silence than to provoke a thousand by flying into rage, but a show of force is still needed now.

Posted by: Marjorie | Sep 10 2022 20:59 utc | 188

AFU captures some deserted town, few villages and people are cheering like the war is over.
Recently, US officials stated that they want to degrade RF so badly, that she won’t be able to commit such a war again. Guess what, NATO is depleting ammo stocks so badly, that NATO won’t be able to commit to any war.
US produces like 10k 155 shells monthly (about to boost to 30k), and they sent AFU about million shells. 10 years of production.
HIMARS – limited production,
Javalins – limited,
Stingers – out of production.

Posted by: 1st Sitzkrieg Armored Division, Jeff | Sep 10 2022 21:00 utc | 189

@mario2 | Sep 10 2022 19:29 utc | 168
Ummm isn’t this a bit over the top? An armored column (or even just marching infantry apparently) moving in the open, in daylight, without air cover, should be able to be destroyed from the air conventionally in any number of ways. Still baffled that that didn’t happen. But I guess “slower is better”, “time is on Russia’s side”, … smh

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 10 2022 21:05 utc | 190

“Demilitarizing”. “Imposing heavy losses”. What a load of shit.
Whatever “losses” the retreating forces imposed – I doubt it was much, since they didn’t put any fight at all – will be recovered tenfold by the equipment and ammunition Russians left behind.
Not to mention all the more money they will probably be increased from the West.
But yeah, it is “all according to the plan”. Putin is too busy with fireworks in Moscow. This idiot is a massive idiot and a traitor to Russian people.

Posted by: Pobeda | Sep 10 2022 21:08 utc | 191

Here is what i think.
Everyone wants this war to stop, and nobody wants to totaly loose face. Ukraine with their “mighty” army takes the Kharkiv region, the Russians take the rest of Donbas. A neutral party will then call both sides to the negotiation table. Now the polticians can start peace negotiations without getting linched by the mob. In the negotiations, the Russians will agree to evacuate from the bridgehead near Nikolayev. Ukraine will declare neutrality and agree to not atrack the Russian ocupied teritories, and freezing the conflict.

Posted by: John Archer | Sep 10 2022 21:12 utc | 192

….Posted by: Franz Beckenbauer | Sep 10 2022 18:29 utc | 132….
Comment 132 by FB is the most insightful in the entire epic thread, worth revisiting

Posted by: Exile | Sep 10 2022 21:15 utc | 193

Posté par : Stonebird | 10 septembre 2022 20:49 UTC | 215
untenable

Posted by: la bouteille | Sep 10 2022 21:16 utc | 194

I’ve been on Russia’s side all along, but that MoD statement sounds more like something you’d hear from Baghdad Bob, based on how this move looks.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 10 2022 21:18 utc | 195

Analogies:
https://nicolascinquini.blog/2022/09/09/chronicle-balkenkreuze-are-back-on-oskol-river/

Posted by: Luis Borges | Sep 10 2022 21:19 utc | 196

RB @ 186
Musk might have commissioned that study for his lawsuit but I do believe it could be fact. I remember the election. There were a couple of DNC operatives working the bar in tandem pretty hard to tamp down any questions.
The basic elements of this war and its foundation will never change. How either side achieves its goals through military maneuvers is in question. I am OK with the Russians getting their asses kicked. Both sides will reconfigure and fight on. Civilians will die, soldiers will die, equipment will get destroyed or captured, towns will be lost and recaptured. Its the same in every war.
They will either exhaust themselves into a stalemate of some sort or there will be some sort of leadership change at the top to force change. I doubt that will happen on the NATO side. I do not know anything about the Russian side.

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 10 2022 21:20 utc | 197

Evgeny Poddubny (@epoddubny) has a video report from the eastern half of Kupyansk. Telegram has a version with English captions.

The actual situation from our group from the combat zone in the northeast of the NVO zone. No tantrums. KUPYANSK, IZYUM, LIMAN
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/9562

– American HIMARS have destroyed the bridge over the Oskol River connecting the two halves of Kupyansk. Russians are in the east, Ukrainians and Western mercenaries in the west.
– Evgeny Poddubny claims that over 2,000 Ukrainians have been killed.
– The Russian forces are from the 3rd Corps, with the “circle inside a triangle” marking.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 10 2022 21:21 utc | 198

Re: Posted by: Bonami | Sep 10 2022 16:44 utc | 47
Saker’s commentary is interesting, but if it is correct it means that Russia cannot and should not expect any local support when it moves into towns and cities because it is offering no protection whatsoever to those residents. If the residents of these places did not understand that before, they will now.

Posted by: JT | Sep 10 2022 21:21 utc | 199

@ John Archer | Sep 10 2022 21:12 utc | 224
. . .Kharkiv region, the Russians take the rest of Donbas . .
Don’t forget Kherson. In a sense it’s the most important because it fronts on Crimea, Kyiv’s principal target. Also it’s far from Russia’s main military assets, and its capital (which is Russia’s principal military gain so far) is on the far side of the river with all the bridges destroyed. Russia has had to resort to ferries, which will get sunk with everything on them.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 10 2022 21:27 utc | 200