The European Union came up with this cooperation in the most spectacular fashion proving the “cosmic stupidity” of its “elites”.
Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 9:24 utc | 304
I agree.
But how to explain that there are no exceptions, no dissidents, no whistleblowers, no journalists…
Even in times of Vietnam or Iraq war there were some voices of discontent.
Now nothing.
Why is their social control so perfect.
Imagine, all universities in USA or EU are silent.
What happened?

Posted by: marko | Sep 30 2022 11:57 utc | 303

From Rybar
Siege of Lyman
Chronicle of Battles, September 29-30, 2022
AFU continue to encircle Lyman developing an offensive deep into the territory controlled by Russia.
🔻Ukrainian formations are advancing on Lyman from three directions – north, west and south. The capture of Lyman will make it possible to open the way for a further offensive on Kreminna and Rubizhne deep into the territories of Luhansk Region.
▪️On September 29, AFU managed to close the operational encirclement. While the assault on Drobysheve, Lyman and Yampil’ continues from the south and west, Russian Armed Forces’ defensive lines were pushed through from the north.
▪️Kolodyazi and Zelena Dolyna were taken, and the Svatove — Makiivka — Terny — Lyman road was cut off. Fighting took place on the northern outskirts of Zarichne, 3 km north of the only route linking Lyman with Luhansk Region.
▪️By the end of September 29, Stavky fell, but AFU failed to advance further from the north. By now the communication with Tors’ke is cut off by enemy’s artillery and mortar fire.
▪️Russian Armed Forces continue to fire on approaching enemy units. The first reserves are redeployed near Tors’ke. The 503rd Regiment with the servicemen mobilized on September 29 marched into battle trying to stretch the encirclement.
▪️On the night of September 29-30, Russian troops had to withdraw from Yampil’, and the defensive lines at Drobysheve were also broken through. The Lyman defensive line had narrowed to the administrative borders of the city.
🔻 If emergency measures are not taken to unblock Lyman and deploy a substantial part of the reserves as soon as possible, the town with its defenders will fall, and nothing will stop Ukrainian formations from developing an offensive deep into Russian territory.

Posted by: marko | Sep 30 2022 12:00 utc | 305

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Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 30 2022 11:16 utc | 326
Brilliant! Can we please have this as standard at MoA, illustrious barkeep?

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 30 2022 12:02 utc | 307

From the BEGINNING!!!

Posted by: LongCovid | Sep 30 2022 12:09 utc | 309

@259 rk
well played by Gates and co. Supported green initiatives to force the state to shut down state-controlled and safe nuclear power, so that he/they can replace it with private (and unsafe) nuclear power and make another buck. At our expense.

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 30 2022 12:10 utc | 311

Just heard that Tupelov strategic bombers with 500kg and 3000kg munitions have been scrambled. Can anyone confirm?

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 30 2022 12:16 utc | 313

For the previous
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 30 2022 12:18 utc | 315

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 30 2022 12:16 utc | 355

Just heard that Tupelov strategic bombers with 500kg and 3000kg munitions have been scrambled. Can anyone confirm?

I can’t confirm, but that is exactly what would happen in an impending encirclement and fall of Lyman.
It is the only way to save Krasni Lyman
Either of two things will happen now:
– AFU forces will be destroyed by massive Russian air support, or
– Shoigu will give Zelenskii an ultimatum via backchannels to withdraw the encirclement of Krasni Lyman ..
The next 24 hours will tell …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 12:27 utc | 317

The empire trolls have been released on the Liman issue, its how I know Russians are winning.

Posted by: Jozo | Sep 30 2022 12:36 utc | 319

@361 Jozo
I would have though analysis of the military situation on the ground would be a better gauge.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 12:41 utc | 321

@Tom UK #360, people here generally believe that Russia has air superiority over Ukraine but has chosen to hold back from using aviation behind Ukraine’s lines for unclear reasons. And at the suitable moment will “take the gloves off”. Every Ukrainian advance is actually walking into a carefully laid trap, Battle of the Bulge 2.0, the result of coked-out Zelensky rejecting American advisers’ pleas and then later we learn about a pre-planned and orderly Russian withdrawal and all the men and materiel left behind were just scrap (but how did it get into that state?) and LDNR fighters (it doesn’t count if a bunch of catspaws are killed and captured – not real Russians).

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 30 2022 12:43 utc | 323

@364 Arch Bungle
The fact that Ukrainian forces waltz around Ukraine with barely a concern about Russian air superiority. The fact that Ukrainian supply lines are barely touched by anything remotely resembling Russian air power.
This absence, and recent Russian military reverses, leads one to conclude the obvious, namely there is no Russian air cover or superiority.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 12:50 utc | 325

Situation in the Liman Section at the End of 29 Sep
>Ukrainian formations continue to surround Liman, and are developing an offensive towards the territorial borders of the Lugansk People’s Republic. The Liman garrison is fighting superior enemy forces and is in an operational encirclement.
>On the outskirts of Liman:
➖ The enemy has attempted to attack the city from three directions, from the Dibrova side, the Brusino station and Stary Karavan. The garrison is holding out, all attacks are repulsed.
➖ The Armed Forces of Ukraine intensively shell Liman with all available means of destruction, including HIMARS MLRS.
>North of Liman:
➖ Units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine occupied Kolodezi, Zelenaya Dolina and cut off the Svatovo – Makeevka – Terny – Liman road.
➖ From the Kolodezi village side, a platoon of the AFU supported by armoured vehicles conducted combat reconnaissance in the direction of Zarechnoye (Kirovsk). After heavy fire by the artillery of the LPR People’s Militia, the Ukrainian militants were forced to retreat.
➖ Through Zarechnoye – Torskoye runs the last road connecting the Liman garrison with the area controlled by the Allied Forces. Ukrainian Forces attack both villages from the north from the village of Kolodezi and from the south from the bridgehead on the banks of the Seversky Donets.
>West of Liman:
➖ UAF occupied Shandrigolovo and Novoselka. The western flank of the Liman defences in Drobyshevo is held by BARS-13 reserve fighters and 20 Combined Armies of the RF Armed Forces.
>At this stage, without the deployment of significant reinforcements and the concentration of the Russian command’s attention towards Liman, there is a serious risk of the fall of Liman and the further collapse of the Russian Armed Forces’ defensive order on the western borders of the Lugansk People’s Republic.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/27817
@sashakots Alexander Kots
Unfortunately, the news on Liman is not very good. The city is actually in an operational environment. DRGs are now entering the supply road to Svatovo. Part of it is under the control of Ukrainian artillery. Yampol in the morning, in fact, is in the “gray zone”, our units had to move away. In Drobyshevo, the defense line has been broken. The situation in the Krasny Liman region is critical. Answering hundreds of your questions, I do not know why reserves are not being brought here, why they are hitting the Dnieper and Nikolaev with rockets and Geranium, and not at those advancing on Liman. But I know that after today we have no choice but to liberate the ALL territory of the DPR. This is what the Constitution of the Russian Federation says, this is what our military doctrine says. But this, of course, does not make things easier for the heroes in Krasny Liman.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/27827
From Denis Pushilin
“Friends, the news on Krasny Liman is disturbing. The AFU is trying with all its might to somehow overshadow this historical event for us. At the moment, Krasny Liman is in a semicircle, the road from Svatovo is under our control, but periodically under fire. Permanent groups DRG. Yampol and Drobyshevo are not fully controlled by us. Our guys are fighting, we are pulling up reserves, we must hold out, but the enemy has also thrown serious forces. Very unpleasant news, but we must look soberly at the situation and draw conclusions from our mistakes. We’ll handle everything!”
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/27832
It is reported that a large-scale operation has begun to unblock Russian units in Liman and prevent their complete encirclement.
Aviation, armored vehicles and artillery are involved.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/27841
~~~~~~
They are desperate: signing LPR,DRP,Kherson and Zaporozhye integrating with Russia is enormous thing and geopolitical loss for the West. They must do something. AFU threw 20 000 militants into Lyman direction…
https://t.me/azmilitary11/22862
Russia Aerospace Forces working in Lyman directon …
[Sounds to me this Ukrainian is speaking English]?
https://t.me/azmilitary11/22860
https://t.me/azmilitary11/22851
Forwarded from  MoD Russia
⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 30, 2022)
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
💥 High-precision attack launched by Russian Aerospace Forces has resulted in the destruction of the workshops for assembling Ukrainian Grom-2 and Tochka-U operational-tactical missiles at Southern Machine-Building Plant near Dnepropetrovsk.
💥 Missile attacks launched at the provisional bases of the units from 81st Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) and a missile and artillery armament depot of 80th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU have resulted in the elimination of up to 200 nationalists, 23 units of military equipment and over 30 tonnes of ordnance for cannon-launched and rocket artillery near Kramatorsk (Donetsk People’s Republic).
💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised the units from 26th Artillery and 59th Mechanised Infantry brigades of the AFU near Zakotnoye (Donetsk People’s Republic) and Nikolayev, 128th Mountain Assault Brigade of the AFU and 121st Territorial Defence Brigade near Osokorovka (Kherson region) and Vremevka (Donetsk People’s Republic), 66th and 93rd mechanised brigades of the AFU near Redkodub (Donetsk People’s Republic), as well as 61 artillery units at their firing positions, 148 manpower and military equipment concentration areas.
◽️ 6 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots have been destroyed near Mayaki (Donetsk People’s Republic), Lezhino (Zaporozhye region), Pavlograd, Kolomiytsevo (Dnepropetrovsk region) and Nikolayev, as well as 2 field refuelling posts of 93rd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU near Redkodub (Donetsk People’s Republic).
💥 Attack launched by Russian Aerospace Forces has resulted in the elimination of a mobile group from AFU Centre of Electronic Reconnaissance near Chervony Stav (Nikolayev region).
◽️ Moreover, 1 platoon of U.S.-manufactured HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) has been neutralised near Nikolayev within counter-battery warfare.
💥 Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down 1 MiG-29 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Kleshcheyevka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
◽️ 1 Ukrainian Su-25 airplane has been destroyed by Russian air defence facilities near Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region).
💥 Air defence facilities of Russian Aerospace Forces have shot down 5 unmanned aerial vehicles near Urozhaynoye (Kherson region), Svatovo, Vladimirovka (Lugansk People’s Republic), Petrovskoye (Donetsk People’s Republic) and Novoyegorovka (Kharkov region).
◽️ 18 U.S.-manufactured rocket-propelled projectiles launched by HIMARS MLRS over Kherson, near Novaya Kakhovka, Chervony Mayak (Kherson region) and 2 U.S.-manufactured HARM anti-radar missiles over Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region).

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 12:53 utc | 327

@Tom UK #360, people here generally believe that Russia has air superiority over Ukraine but has chosen to hold back from using aviation behind Ukraine’s lines for unclear reasons….
BECAUSE; There are traitors in the Russian high command.
Read the sub-article;
Hitler was a Jew, working for the Jews.
preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174

Posted by: Jacl | Sep 30 2022 12:58 utc | 329

Four regions taken form Ukraine is nothing Western backers or Ukraine will accept. There is no way back now for Russia and Ukraine and behind it the Western supporters. For all sides its do or die. Rule supreme or go down.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 13:03 utc | 331

From IntelSlava

🇷🇺❗People living in the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye become our citizens. Forever and ever! — Putin
🇷🇺⚡️⚡️Putin and Pushilin signed an agreement on the admission of the DPR to Russia.
🇷🇺⚡️⚡️Putin and the head of the Zaporozhye region signed an agreement on joining the region to Russia.
🇷🇺⚡⚡ Putin and the head of the Kherson region signed an agreement on the admission of the region to Russia.
🇷🇺⚡⚡Putin and Pasechnik signed an agreement on the inclusion of the LPR into Russia.

Posted by: Down South | Sep 30 2022 13:07 utc | 333

@370 Arch Bungle
Russia doesn’t even fully control the four regions in question. It might as well try and annex Poland via a ‘vote’.
Can we get some reality in here?

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 13:08 utc | 335

Hi, R here from India.. Been a long time.. Just watched the signing ceremonies of the 4 republics into Russia.. I love to read CNN.com and Guardian coverage on Russia.. https://edition.cnn.com/Worth a laugh, the way they contort themselves to present everything in an anti-Russia and pro-West manner..

Posted by: R | Sep 30 2022 13:10 utc | 337

@378 too scents
Never said it did. Your point?

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 13:17 utc | 339

https://t.me/war_subtitled_en/713
Chief war correspondent of Russian Broadcasting Corp. Sladkov, and press-attaches of the DPR People’s Militias both reported having visited Liman today. That means that Liman garrison still holds on, and the supply route is still under Russian control, despite heavily threatened.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 13:23 utc | 341

Something is very wrong with the picture at Lyman.
Using laser-guided bombs the Russian air-force should be able to take out about > 50 tanks an hour.
How is it that the Ukrainians are still attacking?????
Tag line: Hitler was a double agent.
http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174

Posted by: Jacl | Sep 30 2022 13:26 utc | 343

Putin🔥🔥🔥
I want the authorities in Kiev and their real masters to hear me. People in the liberated regions become our citizens forever.
After the collapse of the USSR, the West decided that we would always have to put up with its dictates. It hoped that Russia would collapse. But Russia held on.
The West is trying to maintain the “hegemonic rent”. It seeks to undermine processes beyond its control. It wants all countries to surrender their sovereignty to the United States. Some countries surrender their sovereignty voluntarily, while others are bought or destroyed. They don’t care, as long as they get their own benefit.
The West wants to see us as a colony, they want to plunder us. For them, the direct threat is our thought and philosophy. Our development and prosperity is also a threat to them. The West does not need Russia. We need it.
We will defend both our values and our homeland even now. The West is counting on impunity, on getting away with everything.
All we hear from all sides is “the West upholds rules-based order”. This is nonsense. Russia is a thousand-year-old civilization and will not live by such so-called rules.
Western elites brazenly divide the world into their vassals and everyone else – those who, according to Western racists, should join the list of barbarians and savages.
The West discriminates and divides people into first and second classes. What else but racism is Russophobia spreading around the world?
In the twentieth century, it was our country that led the anti-colonial movement. One of the reasons for centuries of Russophobia is that we did not allow ourselves to be robbed during the colonial conquests. We were able to create a strong centralized state in Russia.
In the 90’s we were called “friends” and “partners” and were siphoned off trillions of dollars through various schemes. We remember everything. We have not forgotten anything.
They call “Euro-Atlantic solidarity” the orders and rude insulting shouts to their vassals. Now, they are taking bread out of Ukraine. Where is it going? To the same European countries. It’s another trickery and deception.
The U.S. seeks to get their hands on the European market. The European elite is well aware of this.
Sanctions are not enough for the Anglo-Saxons, they have moved on to sabotage. In fact, they have begun to destroy the European energy structure.
By initiating a sanctions blitzkrieg against Russia, they believed that they could control everyone. But most states refuse to be controlled. The West clearly did not expect such disobedience from them.
In the West, the truth has been drowned in an ocean of myths, illusions and fakes. They lie like Goebbels.
You can’t feed people with dollars and euros. And you can’t use inflated capitalisation to heat your homes. You can’t feed anyone with paper. You need food.
I would like to emphasize that there is every reason to believe that Western elites are not going to look for constructive solutions to the food and energy crisis that arose through their fault. There are fears that they are ready to use other recipes that are familiar to them.
To get out of the tangle of contradictions, they need to break Russia. They may try to bring the whole system to collapse, to reduce it to the form of “war will write it all off.
They have nothing to offer the world but the same system of robbery and racketeering. They have come to a radical denial of moral standards, religion, the family. Do we want us here in Russia to have “parent number 1, 2, and 3” instead of mom and dad? Do we want children to be taught that there are other “genders” besides men and women?
The world has entered a period of revolutionary transformation. They are fundamental in nature. New centers of development are being formed. All over the world, including Europe and the United States, we have many like-minded people, we see their support.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 13:30 utc | 345

Something is very wrong with the picture at Lyman.
Using laser-guided bombs the Russian air-force should be able to take out > 50 tanks an hour (from about 4,000 metres).
The planes should be in little danger at such heights.
We know the Russians have the capability as they have used it in Syria.
So what exactly is going on?

Posted by: Jacl | Sep 30 2022 13:38 utc | 347

The new map of Nulandistan….
https://t.me/azmilitary11/22895

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 13:46 utc | 349

Dan of Steele@326
Thanks for the info. Nice to have helpful people on the site.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 13:49 utc | 351

Putin today confirms “the Anglo-Saxons” are destroying the pan-European energy infrastructure
https://t.me/asbmil/5828

“The Anglo-Saxons had a few sanctions. They switched to sabotage, it’s unbelievable, but the fact is that by organizing explosions on the Nord Stream international gas pipelines that run along the bottom of the Baltic Sea, they actually began to destroy the pan-European energy infrastructure,” the head of Russia said at the ceremony of adopting new regions into Russia.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 13:53 utc | 353

Now that these regions are joining the Russian Federation it will be interesting to see what happens if Ukrainian forces attacks them, will Putin see it as an attack on the RF, surly he must and retaliate as such possibly taking out the entire Ukrainian power grid, sending millions more refugees into Poland.
I think after today the RF will need to prepare for a full scale and open war with Ukraine. It will be interesting to see how Nato reacts to that if and when it happens. If Nato is prepared to use international terrorism in blowing up the Russian gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, I see no reason why it wouldn’t resort to attacking Belarus or Kaliningrad’s power/energy sources, things are going to get very dirty indeed.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 30 2022 14:05 utc | 355

@395 Norwegian
The pan European energy infrastructure was toast the moment Russia crossed the borders into Ukraine. European countries were never going to put themselves back in that position of being reliant on Russian gas.
From a US perspective there is no upside in the sabotage. The US concerns were vindicated when Russia crossed into Ukraine. The European fears where realised at the same time and when Russia started playing games with the supplies.
Once bitten, twice shy.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:06 utc | 357

I just listened to VVPutin address, quick recap.
“We will use every means at our disposal to win and by the way, US created precedent for using nuclear weapons in Japan”
Most likely these veiled threats are empty but along with Medvedev’s rhetoric, quite irresponsible.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 30 2022 14:09 utc | 359

I think after today the RF will need to prepare for a full scale and open war with Ukraine. It will be interesting to see how Nato reacts to that if and when it happens. If Nato is prepared to use international terrorism in blowing up the Russian gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea, I see no reason why it wouldn’t resort to attacking Belarus or Kaliningrad’s power/energy sources, things are going to get very dirty indeed.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 30 2022 14:05 utc | 397
The view will be that Russia has to make an example of them, to get the message across. Seems very un-Putin-like to me, but he doesn’t always call the shots. Who exactly gets to be made an example of remains to be seen too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 30 2022 14:12 utc | 361

@Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:06 utc | 399

The pan European energy infrastructure was toast the moment Russia crossed the borders into Ukraine.

Bullshit, blaming one of the victims of the Anglo-Saxon crime. We know who did it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 14:14 utc | 363

The puppet Quisling of NATO will hold a press conference at 18:00

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 14:16 utc | 365

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 30 2022 14:05 utc | 397
Addendum: I think a sub-text of Western propaganda is to get the Russians to act the way the West does, to go all medieval on somebody, thus showing they are no better. This is a major justification for the TINA crap, the notion that other people are all crooks too. “We’re just better at it.”

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 30 2022 14:17 utc | 367

@408 Tom UK
Hi Tom. So how do you feel about Perfidious Albion having blown Germany’s energy supply line?

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 30 2022 14:19 utc | 369

@405 Norwegian
No, you don’t know ‘who did it’. You know who you want to be the culprit, but all you have is blind faith and there is no mileage in arguing with people of blind faith and no reason.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:20 utc | 371

@jacl 308
Q: If Zelensky was a double agent (ie secretly supporting Russia) what would he be doing differently?
A: absolutely nothing
Just saying, what would you do if they threatened to kill you (and you were a pretty good actor with a decent script writer)?

Posted by: Mickey | Sep 30 2022 14:22 utc | 373

Ukraine lost the initiative and now plays defense:

Ukraine Calls Emergency Meeting of Security Chiefs, Major Decisions Expected
KYIV (Reuters) -Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy will hold an emergency top-level meeting on Friday where “fundamental decisions” will be taken in the wake of Russian plans to annex four Ukrainian regions, an official said on Thursday.

Posted by: ? | Sep 30 2022 14:23 utc | 375

@411 tunabe
I don’t feel anything. In my opinion the idea that Britain blew up anything German is just fantasy. The US, Britain, France, etc are not going to blow up a non-functioning pipeline in NATO waters. Too much political risk for zero gain.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:26 utc | 377

@416 Figleaf 23
Really? That is amusing given the evidence free zone a lot of posters in here seem to be operating in.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:28 utc | 379

What if Ukraine gets accepted into NATO immediately and invokes the Article 5.
I think EU population is eager for war, they are ready to be drafted, they want something spectacular to happen in their lives.

Posted by: marko | Sep 30 2022 14:30 utc | 381

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:26 utc | 419
I am surprise you are allowed to post……..people with your mental state are usually medicated in UK.
It is not a “non-functioning pipeline” but one full of gas. It is not in “NATO waters” but in international waters of Baltic. In Maritime Law nation states have 12 mile limits but lay claim to 200 mile “Economic Zone” limits which pertain as follows:
Each coastal State may claim an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) beyond and adjacent to its territorial sea that extends seaward up to 200 nm from its baselines (or out to a maritime boundary with another coastal State). Within its EEZ, a coastal State has: (a) sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring, exploiting, conserving and managing natural resources, whether living or nonliving, of the seabed and subsoil and the superjacent waters and with regard to other activities for the economic exploitation and exploration of the zone, such as the production of energy from the water, currents and winds; (b) jurisdiction as provided for in international law with regard to the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations, and structures, marine scientific research, and the protection and preservation of the marine environment, and (c) other rights and duties provided for under international law.
NATO owns NO waters and has NO legal jurisdiction over ANYTHING

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 30 2022 14:35 utc | 383

@418 laguerre @420 Norwegian
So, the pipeline sabotage benefits Russia then? After all if Ukraine did it, it will scupper weapons, aid deliveries and future EU membership and if the US did it, it will fracture the Western consensus. My logic would argue that given these real downsides, there is no gain in Ukraine or the US or UK in carrying out this action.
Remarkably, and by your own logic, the only real beneficiary of the sabotage is Russia, which perhaps leads one to conclude they carried out the sabotage to create confusion and doubt in its opponents. This is based on your own reasoning of course.

Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:36 utc | 385

European countries were never going to put themselves back in that position of being reliant on Russian gas.
Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:06 utc | 399
Seeing as how I am totally dependent on oxygen, the best idea is to stop breathing.

Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 14:37 utc | 387

non-functioning pipeline in NATO waters. Too much political risk for zero gain.
Posted by: Tom UK | Sep 30 2022 14:26 utc | 419
I have to agree that you have now crossed the b.s. line. Up to now, it was good to have a dissenting voice in this RF rahrah forum, but UK is definitely high on the list.
Non-operating does not mean “non-functioning”. The pipes were capable of functioning. And that is precisely why there were destroyed. So now they are in fact “non-functioning”.
“zero gain”.
This also flies in face of sober analysis. The gains, such as hindering political options for Germany, forcing reliance on Anglo controlled energy conduits, and so on, there are lot of “gains” to be had here by West.
The analysis that says Putin did this is actually one of those n-dimensional chess move theories for the “gain” of creating political pressure in EU against their leadership. Yes, sure, maybe, if everything lined up. So a very tenuous possibility while imposing the fully known cost of this being pinned on Russia (regardless of facts, if any).
Unlike the gone forever “non-functioning” pipelines from Russia to Europe.
p.s. I think whoever did NS terror act also is responsible for 9/11. Looks like the same above-the-law group.

Posted by: Wellthen | Sep 30 2022 14:40 utc | 389

Mo3@298:
The search for the pipeline saboteurs will be comparable to O. J. Simpson’s search for the real killers of Nicole.😉

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 30 2022 14:43 utc | 391

Machine translation .
https://t.me/kirasazonova/1605

The West found itself in an amazing “time loop”:
Wired phones are expected to return in Europe (they do not require frequent charging, unlike mobile phones).
One of the most sought-after professions in European countries is again a stove maker, and one of the most sought-after goods is firewood.
In the USA, for the second time in history, there is a “bunker boom”. The first one occurred in the 1960s, when Americans believed in the possibility of nuclear war. Now bunkers and bomb shelters have become liquid real estate again.
Good old candles and candelabra are returning to pubs and small restaurants.
Over the past year, about two thousand books have been banned in American schools. In the middle of the XX century, there was already a period when Salinger, Vonnegut, Steinbeck and many others were banned in schools.

I would add, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater

Posted by: Paco | Sep 30 2022 14:44 utc | 393

I would add, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater
Posted by: Paco | Sep 30 2022 14:44 utc | 435
For added context:
“Thus did a handful of rapacious citizens come to control all that was worth controlling in America. Thus was the savage and stupid and entirely inappropriate and unnecessary and humorless American class system created. Honest, industrious, peaceful citizens were classed as bloodsuckers, if they asked to be paid a living wage. And they saw that praise was reserved henceforth for those who devised means of getting paid enormously for committing crimes against which no laws had been passed.
Thus the American dream turned belly up, turned green, bobbed to the scummy surface of cupidity unlimited, filled with gas, went bang in the noonday sun.
E pluribus unum is surely an ironic motto to inscribe on the currency of this Utopia gone bust, for every grotesquely rich American represents property, privileges, and pleasures that have been denied the many. An even more instructive motto, in the light of history made by the Noah Rosewaters, might be: ‘Grab much too much, or you’ll get nothing at all.’
And Noah begat Samuel, who married Geraldine Ames Rockefeller. Samuel became even more interested in politics than his father had been, served the Republican Party tirelessly as a kingmaker, caused that party to nominate men who would whirl like dervishes, bawl fluent Babylonian, and order the militia to fire into crowds whenever a poor man seemed on the point of suggesting that he and a Rosewater were equal in the eyes of the law.”
Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You Mr. Rosewater

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 30 2022 14:51 utc | 395

The neuro-degenerative Stoltenberg, EU and UN head Guterres apparently want to make some statements tonight. I guess they will tell us something that the US MIC has ordered them to tell us.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 30 2022 14:52 utc | 397

It has happened before …
Russia recalled the US undermining the underwater pipeline in Nicaragua

On October 11, 1983, several oil storage facilities exploded in the port of Corinto. On October 14 of the same year, the group blew up an underwater pipeline in the port of Puerto Sandino. The following year, the sea waters of this free country were mined, as a result of which a number of ships were destroyed by mines. However, the whole story surfaced in the press, an international scandal erupted, after which the operation was discontinued, ”writes the author.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/10807

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 14:53 utc | 399