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September 29, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-161

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

Please stick to the topic.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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About half of the thread is consumed with attacking Muthaucker and is responses. I dont know what he said to arose such irritation, but what I see is he is polite and composed unlike those attacking him. He is clearly not a troll – it appears most of you have no idea what a troll is. I dont know if there is a term for posters who gang-up to attack unwanted opinions, but there should be and it is equally wrong. I hope Muthaucker will continue posting and suggest stop responding to the attacks.

Posted by: jared | Sep 30 2022 5:01 utc | 201

aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 3:11 utc | 198
Sigh.
Signature first is a bar refurb we’ve requested for many a long epoch…
Eventually you “just know” within a few words or a sentence.
But yep. It’s an easy fix, and would improve the bar enormously.
The best option for now is to ….. ignore the trolls.
…We seem (temporarily?) to be spared the yenwoda (ADowney) pestilence ATM… ?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 5:03 utc | 202

Skeptic | Sep 30 2022 3:45 utc | 217
“……Is this a joke?
No. It’s graffiti. Or phishing.
It’s not a link I’ll be clicking…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 5:10 utc | 203

Nord Stream: Sabotage von Verhandlungen oder Putsch der Neocons?
30 Sep. 2022 06:45 Uhr

Very interesting analysis, RT Deutsch Journalist Dagmar Henn.
Must read, non-german reading barflies can turn to machine translation

So far there have been statements from some second-tier politicians about the attack on Nord Stream, but there has been no clear statement from either the federal government or the White House. This is all the more amazing as the Baltic Sea is actually monitored from all sides; What’s more, the headquarters of the Danish naval intelligence service, i.e. one of the corresponding institutions, is located on the island of Bornholm

Two theories are interesting that provide possible further backgrounds and are discussed in detail on The Duranbecame. The first says that there have been attempts at negotiations, mediated by Saudi Arabia, but without the participation of the Americans. The basis is two pieces of evidence – the prisoner exchange, which was mediated by the Saudis,

It states that it is an act, even within the US government, by the neocon faction in cooperation with the “deep state”, unconfirmed. The motive for this is to cut off any possible avenue of retreat for the European governments. This could explain why the media material against the alleged culprits was not yet prepared in the drawer,

Another motive for this faction of the US government could of course be the US midterm elections in November. There is a possibility that the majority in both houses will tip over.
More on RT De
https://de.rt.com/meinung/150240-nord-stream-sabotage-von-verhandlungen/

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 30 2022 5:21 utc | 204

I trust me. Who do you trust?
SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 4:27 utc | 232
Meaning? I do not believe everything Putin says must be perfectly correct or true. He’s human too. It also doesn’t mean that I have to agree with everything he believes or does either. But I sure do understand it because he explains himself well and to seems sincere and genuine! He even has a sense of humour.
Western nations would be so lucky to have a few politicians and leaders with the qualities he has. But we all get the Governments we deserve.
Including the Americans, the Brits, the Germans, and the Ukrainians.
Nay, especially THE Ukrainians!

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 5:24 utc | 205

I can imagine that to be drafted to be sent to war would be difficult to accept. I wonder if typical young Russian can actually appreciate what the country is up against and perhaps does not particularly care. It has to be taught – pride and patriotism. I have the impression that many Russians hold there own country in low esteem and see US as land of opportunity.
I have felt frustration with immigrants to US who come here to escape the poverty which may be attributable to US policies, then they serve in US military.

Posted by: jared | Sep 30 2022 5:29 utc | 206

The conflict has moved to a new stage where there is only a winner and a looser, and that can bring the nuclear weapons closer in the horizon if there was a national existential threat to either sides.

Posted by: Man | Sep 30 2022 5:36 utc | 207

Turkstream
Due to EU sanctions, the export license of the operator of the Turkish Stream offshore gas pipeline was prematurely revoked on September 18
The operator of the “Turkish Stream” lost the right to purchase [access] European pipes.
The restrictive measures of the EU, which came into force on September 18, led to the early revocation of the export license from the Turkish Stream operator South Stream Transport B.V.
The official notification of this was sent by the authorities of the Netherlands. It is clarified that restrictive measures prohibit the supply of goods to Russia and the provision of services, in particular, technical assistance and maintenance.
However, the recall does not restrict further gas transportation. Based on this, the fuel supply of various industries and millions of households in Turkey and European countries will not be affected in the short and long term, the operator said.
The company has already applied for the renewal of the export license and is awaiting a response from the Dutch authorities.
South Stream Transport B.V. stated that they have all legal grounds to receive an exception under the current sanctions regulation of the European Union.
This is due to the fact that the gas that is transported via the Turkish Stream is subsequently supplied to European countries through national gas transmission systems, thereby helping to ensure their energy security.
Sep 30
https://t.me/azmilitary11/22784

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 5:46 utc | 208

“There are a few excellent comments here, but the vast majority are genocidal and/or homicidal or obsessed with anal sex. You know who else loves anal sex with men? GloboHomo…not gonna get that from MI6.
“So no, I am not working for MI6. I am a well-read retired sailor who delights in puncturing dictator lovers bubbles.”
A sailor railing against “GloboHomo” — that’s a first.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 30 2022 6:00 utc | 209

What’s amazing is that so many German “intellectuals” on Twitter, after having their Nordstream pipelines blown up at the behest of the United States, are taking the occasion to lament Germany’s 30 year attempt to do business with Russia—-as though it were the fault of Russia that the US had destroyed their access to energy. Germans will do anything the US says, take anything the US gives them, and suffer anything the US decides to impose on them, and they will do it smilingly.
Posted by: WJ | Sep 30 2022 3:35 utc | 209

The only two questions I’ve needed in my 15 years of business leadership experience:
“Who is using whom?”
and
“Where does the money come from?”

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 30 2022 6:03 utc | 210

One of the released Azovstal PoW has uploaded some vid …
https://litter.catbox.moe/rwsjdq.mp4
By the time Hollywood has done its thing…. The Battle of Azovstal will be a resounding American victory …..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 6:05 utc | 211

@Metaleuca 249
It is clarified that restrictive measures prohibit the supply of goods to Russia and the provision of services, in particular, technical assistance and maintenance.However, the recall does not restrict further gas transportation.
As NS1 Siemens’s imbroglio, no maintenance=no gas.
But it’s Russian lack of technicity

Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 30 2022 6:09 utc | 212

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 4:08 utc | 226
Nice clip with all the contrast that reality offers, some go, many stay. Enjoy.
https://t.me/readovkaru/1466

Posted by: Paco | Sep 30 2022 6:12 utc | 213

@224 Giyane
Many Germans have been brainwashed by the political parties, media, education establishment, government departments, churches etc. But a sizable amount of them can think for themselves, and realise that 90% of our current problems are homemade.
When you shut down one of the world’s safest and most efficient nuclear energy industries, and then turn “green”, you need a base load capacity replacement. The 2 pipelines fulfilled that purpose. Whilst going “green”, they were lying to the public, suggesting that windmills were going to replace nuclear any day now, when in fact they were just figleaves to cover up the gas pipes to Russia.
So green energy was always a scam, in that the base load capacity was switched from nuclear to gas, and not “green”. As long as the Russians were prepared to supply cheap multi-decade energy, and keep quiet about it, the ordinary person did not notice or understand. But now that US/Poland have blown the lines, that scam became obvious.
The only problem now is, after the bums in Berlin are tossed out, how do you revive the nuclear energy industry in a few years time? Many of the universities no longer have departments for nuclear engineering or physics. And the professionals are now working in other industries or have left the country decades ago. The companies which used to specialise in this technology either don’t exist anymore, or have retooled.

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 30 2022 6:14 utc | 214

Duran’s latest has been spiked sharpish by Youtube.
https://theduran.locals.com/upost/2810284/cui-bono-to-whom-is-it-a-benefit-w-robert-barnes-live
“This video isn’t available any more”
A few home truths spoken there I guess.

Posted by: Walt | Sep 30 2022 6:15 utc | 215

So NS is bye bye and now TurkStream has its license revoked? It’s like EU wants to hit Hungary and Serbia at the same time. Who else from EU gets gas from TurkStream?

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 6:19 utc | 216

So, to control a country:
a. get control of the media
b. get control of the politicians via money and media control
c. get control of the money supply, so you can funnel money to the “right” people
Making people all think the same thing is pretty easy once you’ve got a, b, and c above sorted out.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 29 2022 19:40 utc | 32
Thanks Tom for this summary.
Still, I am amazed how efficient it works.

Posted by: marko | Sep 30 2022 6:22 utc | 217

@tunabe | Sep 30 2022 6:14 utc | 255
In Eastern Europe the MSM story is that they’ll be saved by US with small nuclear reactors. Which don’t exist yet but in 5-7 years they’ll be built. First country to test them is Romania apparently, that is what MSM says. They tell people almost every day not to worry about Russian energy, no one needs it anyway.

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 6:23 utc | 218

@257 rk
The demise of Russian gas will lead to a revival of the German nuclear industry, and the demise of the greens, since this was the only real policy issue they had with the wider public. It’s going to f. the greens harder than they can imagine. The green transatlanticists, who privately rub their hands at the blowing of the lines, really shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Posted by: tunabe | Sep 30 2022 6:25 utc | 219

rk #257

So NS is bye bye and now TurkStream has its license revoked? It’s like EU wants to hit Hungary and Serbia at the same time. Who else from EU gets gas from TurkStream?

A quick search found this from DW in 2018:https://www.dw.com/en/turkstream-who-profits-who-loses-out/a-46364057-0

Why is it needed?
Turkey relies heavily on imported gas from Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran, as its domestic production meets just 2 percent of its needs. At present, the Blue Stream pipeline carries most of Turkey’s gas from Russia, and another aging pipeline brings the remainder through Ukraine and Eastern Europe.
Read more: Turkey opens TANAP pipeline that will bring Azeri gas to Europe
The imported gas helps meet almost half of Turkey electricity generation requirements and nearly a third of its overall primary energy consumption. Turkey is the only European country to have seen strong growth in gas demand since the end of the 2008/9 financial crisis. Last year, its annual natural gas consumption reached a historic record high of 53.5 billion cubic meters, a 20 percent increase on the previous year, according to the Turkish energy watchdog.
Turkey is the second largest customer of Russian gas after Germany, and most analysts predict demand will continue to grow rapidly.

Sanctioning a NATO member will go down well with Erdogan.
Stealing his filthy lucre will not go down well at all.
I suspect he might just depart the reservation and forward on even more refugees to that glorious sunrise in the west that they are told to believe in.
Well done you sophisticated EU diplomats ;/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 6:44 utc | 220

Note the date of this article: April 14, 2021, 22:30
Nord Stream 2 requires military protections

The West continues to put pressure on Russia to stop the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline – and the most important event in this chain was the Polish military provocations. Can opponents of the gas pipeline resort to real military operations against Nord Stream 2 – and if so, what should Russia counter this with?

and

… the most likely means to attack the pipeline is the so-called mine destroyer – a disposable uninhabited underwater vehicle (UUV), controlled from a surface ship via a fiber-optic cable, having its own television camera and a simple sonar. Such devices are in service with foreign fleets in huge quantities. The device carries an explosive charge on board, the remote detonation of which destroys the mine.
The main feature in the case of Nord Stream is that the device can be secretly launched from a ship located quite far (several kilometers) from the pipeline, and connected to the pipeline remotely. The explosion of the apparatus will be carried out when the ship is not next to it. It will be enough for the crew of the ship to simply throw the control equipment overboard in order to calmly leave the place of sabotage.

further

Thus, our opponents have already clearly demonstrated their willingness to harm the project, and the security of Nord Stream (both) cannot be left to chance. The risk of sabotage against Nord Stream 2 using uninhabited underwater vehicles at least does not look zero. What should Russia do in such a situation?
It would be worth creating a pipeline defense system. And not only the second line of the Nord Stream, but also the first – the interruption of any of them is fraught with the same problems for Russia.

To bad this advice wasn’t followed.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 6:55 utc | 221

SeanAU #246
re Putin:

Western nations would be so lucky to have a few politicians and leaders with the qualities he has. But we all get the Governments we deserve.
Including the Americans, the Brits, the Germans, and the Ukrainians.
Nay, especially THE Ukrainians!

Agreed. I am with you on that post. I see Putin as a peculiar leader, sometimes hands on and driving change and other times far too remote or too confident in delegation. And when the shtf then leaving his intervention is way too late. Or so it seems to us remote peanut gallery audience.
I am sure the balancing of Russian political clans and pressures is one hell of a task. Putin succeeds in this while the USA is a textbook failure.
The Ukes sowed bitter seed with nazis in the schools and running weekend/holiday camps leading to a thoroughly brainwashed adolescent/young adult class of today. This bitter seed was supplied and fertilised by the UKUSA. This is beyond sad and constitutes a serious crime against humanity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 6:59 utc | 222

The pathetic UN leader condemn Russia when ukrainians vote to leave Ukraine!
” Antonio Guterres called on Russia to stop the “annexation” of former Ukrainian regions and warned against “dangerous escalation” ”
https://swentr.site/russia/563761-guterres-un-accession-russia/
When did UN leader condemn west for their dangerous “escalation” on russian border and their arms shipments to Ukraine killing thousands?

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 30 2022 7:10 utc | 223

Turkstream
MOSCOW, Sept 29 (Reuters) – The Russian-owned operator of the TurkStream gas pipeline said on Thursday that the Netherlands had withdrawn its export licence, but it will continue gas transportation, adding that it had requested the resumption of the license.
Russia and Turkey formally launched TurkStream with capacity of 31.5 billion cubic metres per year in January 2020.
The pipeline, which allows Moscow to bypass Ukraine as a transit route to Europe, carries Russian natural gas to southern Europe through the Black Sea and Turkey.
South Stream Transport B.V., a subsidiary of Kremlin-controlled Gazprom (GAZP.MM), is the Dutch-based operator of the offshore portion of the pipeline.
South Stream said the Netherlands withdrew the export licence on Sept. 18 amid wider sanctions from the European Union.
“The introduction of new sanctions does not restrict the continuation of gas transportation by South Stream Transport B.V.
In this regard, the gas supply of various industries and millions of households in Turkey and European countries will not be affected in the short and long term, it said.”
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/turkstream-gas-pipeline-says-netherlands-withdraws-licence-continue-gas-exports-2022-09-29/

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 7:11 utc | 224

Putin has signed a decree recognising two former Ukrainian states as independent as independent

AFP News Agency
@AFP
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8h
#BREAKING Putin recognises independence of two Ukraine regions, decree says
Daily Mail Online
@MailOnline
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Putin signs decree recognising two Ukrainian regions as independent states https://trib.al/qkIlrLU
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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8h
BREAKING:
Putin has signed a decree recognizing Kherson and Zaporizhzhia as “independent territories.”
Tomorrow, Russia will annex them together with Donetsk and Luhansk.

Posted by: Down South | Sep 30 2022 7:11 utc | 225

jared | 30 september 2022 5:01 utc | 242
Interesting, while reading Muthaucker´s comments I´ve been thinking of a person who frequently writes comments on different bloggs in Sweden. They always remind me of Gollum (in The Lord of the rings).

Posted by: Northern Eve | Sep 30 2022 7:14 utc | 226

@Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 6:55 utc | 262
That would not be allowed by natoland. They would call it spy stuff or “aggression”. It’s nothing you can do about it, no way to protect them.
Actually, what can happen next is one or more pipes, not Russian, explode too. MSM can easily say it’s “Russian revenge” or “Putin attacks EU”. At today’s level or IQ it is very possible. At the same time EU will remain with even less gas, perfect for US.

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 7:14 utc | 227

A convoy tried to leave Ukr controlled Zaporozhye to Russian controlled Zaporozhye. Zely didn’t like it so now at least 23 dead, 28 wounded.

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 7:22 utc | 228

@Walt | Sep 30 2022 6:15 utc | 256
ReCui bono, “to whom is it a benefit?” w/Robert Barnes (Live)
It is still there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=190zSqECSCE
and also
https://odysee.com/@theduran:e/cui-bono,-to-whom-is-it-a-benefit-w:7
.. and Rumble

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 7:28 utc | 229

Note – the RF has not mobilized ‘conscripts’ – it has mobilized a (small) portion of what the U.S. military calls it’s Ready Reserve. Big Difference.
One should be skeptical of any reports describing ‘conscripts’ fleeing mobilization.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 30 2022 7:34 utc | 230

From IntelSlava

🇷🇺⚡️The head of the (SVR) Foreign Intelligence Service Naryshkin said that Russia already has materials that indicate the role of the West in organizing and carrying out explosions at Nord Stream

Posted by: Down South | Sep 30 2022 7:38 utc | 231

I will have to reevaluate my general regard for German people as being mostly intelligent rational thinkers.
Posted by: James C | Sep 29 2022 18:42 utc | 5
I have some bad news for you: 95% of the population do not want to think, have rarely attempted and consequently are not really able to do so.

Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 7:48 utc | 232

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Sep 29 2022 19:55 utc | 36
Thinking for normal people is like avoiding pain. The pain of being dissident to your masters. Like pills against physical pain propaganda avoids mental desorientation. This is how stupidity of intelligent people spreads.
I personally am convinced that the openness to abandon this mechanism is based on the personal DNA of every individual. Good education may be favorible for free = dissident thinking, but is only one factor among others.

Posted by: njet | Sep 30 2022 7:56 utc | 233

9/28/22, Diana Johnstone, US gangsters: “Imperialist wars are waged to conquer lands, peoples, territories. Gangster wars are waged to remove competitors. In gangster wars you issue an obscure warning, then you smash the windows or burn the place down.
Gangster war is what you wage when you already are the boss and won’t let any outsider muscle in on your territory. For the dons in Washington, the territory can be just about everywhere, but its core is occupied Europe.”… https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/28/diana-johnstone-omerta-in-the-gangster-war/

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 30 2022 7:59 utc | 234

What I never saw, here or anywhere else, was neocon/ deep state ideas about the next steps in Europe. I can imagine their desire for weakening and totally colonize the continent, but utter destruction? Is this just their runaway instinct? Don’t they really have any scenarios? For the most they were NATO members and held on to inherited respect, like seats in the security council and other diplomatically somewhat useful organizations. But now they are creating instability, and a growing collective understanding about the totally evil WEF agenda and skepticism towards officials and media. For the near future it won’t lead to meaningful opposition, but even in the medium term this might change, and even if surpressed succesfully, the EU countries will become totally useless vassals to them

Posted by: Rootman | Sep 30 2022 7:59 utc | 235

Norwegian #262

To bad this advice wasn’t followed.

Sometimes other advice might be offered to leave the situation as a temptation to assess the scale of extreme that might tempt the aggressor outlaw imperium.
I now assume that the Germans have been beyond redemption for at least a decade. I recall there was only mild squeaking when they ‘discovered’ that Merkel’s private phone was monitored by the USA and German Secret Service. I had no concept of how foolish and slavish they were until the new government team started yapping as instructed.
Just as once we spoke of the ‘captive nations’, now we have a new class of captives. Sad.
On a brighter note, China is watching and assessing these circumstance from a very different attitude than that of Russia. When push comes to shove over the unity of China, I expect there will be abrupt and severe response.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 8:07 utc | 236

Reuters reports:
Russian spy chief: we have evidence West involved in ‘sabotage’ of Nord Stream pipelines

dateline: September 30, 20229:59 AM GMT+2
Russia’s top spy said on Friday that Moscow had materials which indicated the West had a role in ruptures to the undersea Nord Stream pipelines that have threatened to put them permanently out of use, Russian news agencies reported.
“We have materials that point to a Western trace in the organisation and implementation of these terrorist acts,” the Interfax news agency quoted Sergei Naryshkin, head of Russia’s foreign intelligence service, as saying on Friday.
Naryshkin’s remarks are the most direct accusation against the West from a senior Russian official. He did not say what evidence Russia had.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-spy-chief-says-moscow-has-evidence-west-behind-sabotage-nord-stream-2022-09-30/

Posted by: too scents | Sep 30 2022 8:09 utc | 237

Prepare for another gas sabotage on another gas pipeline of Russia!
Key Russian Black Sea gas pipeline under threat – US state media

If the TurkStream natural gas pipeline is damaged, its operator won’t be able to mount repairs damage because the Dutch government has revoked a key license due to EU sanctions against Russia, US state-run RFE/RL alleged on Thursday.

https://swentr.site/news/563758-turkstream-pipeline-russian-gas-threat/

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 30 2022 8:12 utc | 238

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 0:40 utc | 138
.
“Recognition “
Question, who cares if the West recognizes these referents?
It always takes at least two people to recognize each other’s opinions!
In the reality of life, however, it is often the case that the stronger have their opinions and the weaker MUST accept them!
So why should Russia care what the West recognizes? What does THE West want to do about it?
In this case, Russia is of the opinion that it has acted according to international law, the majority of residents (according to international observers) want to go to Russia!
What does the West want to do if Putin now protects the borders of “NEW Russia” with ALL means?
Now that these areas belong to Russia…. Putin is allowed to use parts of the regular Russian army about 850,000 in these areas for BORDER SECURITY !!!
So treaty soldiers and don’t forget the troops of the recognized territories! Subtract let rotate rest, collect and use in other direction!
In addition, there are the approximately 300,000 mobilized, WHO ALL, ALL have received contract soldier status, so they may be deployed in the Ukraine !!!
End

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:14 utc | 239

The latest from Rybar indicates that Krasny Liman will be encircled. How many 1000’s of Russian troops will end up captives? Risk of tactical nukes has gone up.
https://t.me/rybar/39568

Posted by: Poul | Sep 30 2022 8:18 utc | 240

I am surprised at no-one having hinted at this piece of obviousness: that the breaking of the conduits is an obvious mob-style retortion for the unification referenda. Done immediately and in that unmistakable rub-in-your-face guise. As those who are safe to have the (far) upped hand, and are governed by addiction to power, are used to do it.
The USA seem assured they can’t get hurt or suffer any serious outcomfe from this.
It’s like a board game where one of the two contenders takes a lot to make a move, while the other reacts to that move with an immediate of his own.

Posted by: atlantis_dweller | Sep 30 2022 8:22 utc | 241

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:14 utc | 280
The west continues doing what it’s been doing since their puppet coup, namely arming the puppet regime to kill Russian speaking population in Ukraine. Russian’s don’t genocide the Lvov/Polish/Austrian descendants living in west Ukraine or destroy their cities, unless they come to the east to wage war.
The US goal is to keep the “rump state” armed to wage a terrorist war against Russians into perpetuity. But my guess they won’t be supplied with a general failure of the EU bloc. You cannot sustain armies and their weapons, and feed them without a functioning large scale production of energy and a functioning agriculture, which the WEF is destroying in the case with EU states.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 30 2022 8:26 utc | 242

Twitter polls in Deutsch with ~15k votes show over 80% blaming USA and less than 10% blame Russia for blowing up Nordstrom 1&2.
Seems the Empire is so desperate it doesn’t care about waling up millions Germans who don’t want to freeze and be unemployed this winter.

Posted by: PJB | Sep 30 2022 8:27 utc | 243

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 23:27 utc | 118
agree with most of your points, and:
mass formation psychosis is not a scientific thing. It’s a recently
made up whack term in context with antivaxxers.
I suppose there are better words for that, propaganda, ideology.

Posted by: cataphract | Sep 30 2022 8:27 utc | 244

Posted by: Skeptic | Sep 30 2022 3:32 utc | 206
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Unbelievable ? ?
Why, Russians are NOT welcome in all these former Russian states and mostly very poor areas!
Passing through Turkey ??? Well Erdogan will not be enthusiastic Turkish population rather hostile! Welcome as guests on vacation, but not as a competitor in life!
And as long as there is Putin or the Putin system, you know that you can NEVER go back.
In Germany and the whole of the EU, you are not welcome either, on the contrary, hardly any Russians with their own business are still accepted here! Previously Jew was written to his house, now Russian …is really like that !!
AND… many have understood that they were not affected by the mobilization (fathers of several children / fathers of chronically ill children or women, students, men who have NEVER been in the army, etc.
You will have considered whether it is worth it because of desertion never to go back home. Never see parents again unless they have so much money to travel abroad??? Shouldn’t be that many! And always have to hide that you are Russian, at least in the West, and it will get worse when Russia is done with Ukraine.
Because one thing stands for me who has experienced the Russian military live more than once, has seen parts of their weapons stores, which a normal person cannot even imagine in their size.
Firmly…Putin will win this war…in such a way that NO more danger CAN emanate from Ukrainian territory!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:29 utc | 245

PS The only thing in which the USA is “great” is coming last.
Posted by: Hermit | Sep 30 2022 2:00 utc | 166
Not really: it’s running a world wide empire, orders most of Europe around at will,
can build a military fort the size of a city with all amenities in foreign lands more quickly than we can fix a road, has a bigger army than rest of world combined,…

Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 8:31 utc | 246

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 30 2022 2:59 utc | 193
judging from the mass of comments in favour of russian imperialism and war of aggression, rest assured the trolls from the Internet Research Agency at 55 Savushkina Street vastly outnumber those from MI5/6.

Posted by: cataphract | Sep 30 2022 8:32 utc | 247

… Simple format change: Identity of poster must be the new opener. It would ease one’s eyestrain, save time and likely slow down the regurgitation of persistent pests.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 3:11 utc | 198

Not amplifying conspicuous dross by responding again and again and again and again and ….. would be nice =)
That format change probably would help but I’d vote for / fund the addition of a minimise button next to the poster ID that minimised every comment by the same poster. It can’t be that hard to do purely on the browser side, without any server code or log-in requirement.
I guess it’d incentivise trolls to change ID more often or to impersonate credible IDs but I’d rather have the option to fade out obvious static and use it at my own discretion. It would definitely be effective against any trolls who want to built up an identity: from brazen gobshites to stealthy creeps.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 30 2022 8:34 utc | 248

@Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:14 utc | 280
Hi, I understand where you are coming from. I think the answer as to “who cares” in particular affects Russia and the Russian people (and the ex-Ukrainian oblasts) at this time. But this will change. Formal recognition matters in and outside the United Nations ops.
I;m suggesting that China and India and others Recognizing these annexations would be significant.
But of course right now, it’s not the main game as war proceeds
example is Israel – maybe Israel doesn’t care, but it has effects on people and organizations and institutions both in and out of Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel#Present_situation

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 8:38 utc | 249

@226 aristodemos
Agreed. While there are probably some rural refuseniks among them, by and large, I would venture a guess to say that a lot of these are what we in the states would call, “soyboys.”
It may not seem fair for us to condemn them for not wanting to kill, but it can probably be understood that they lack full awareness and gravity of the situation and how this is truly existential for Russia.
Easy for me to say in the states. I will offer up a prayer for their steadfast courage and that God blessses them and sees them in their great anxiety.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:39 utc | 250

Friday 9.50 a.m
Air alert in all regions of western Ukraine
According to Come and See, air alerts have been declared in almost all regions of western Ukraine.
“An attack by UAVs and aircraft from Belarus is expected”, possibly the result of the successful referenda in consultation with Putin?
According to him, flight activities were also noticed near the Ukrainian border.
Ukraine leadership fears attacks on infrastructure in western Ukraine as well as attacks on Kyiv!
During the night so much rocket and Arri fire was reported as never before since the beginning of the SMO!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:43 utc | 251

From Intel Slava Z
🏳️‍⚧️❗️NATO Secretary General will hold an unscheduled press conference on Friday at 19.00 Moscow time, the topic of the speech has not been reported.

11 AM for the many of us in Oregon/west coast. 🙂

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:46 utc | 252

Edit:
9 AM PST. Apologies.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:54 utc | 253

NATO Secretary General will hold an unscheduled press conference on Friday at 19.00 Moscow time, the topic of the speech has not been reported.

11 AM for the many of us in Oregon/west coast. 🙂
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:46 utc | 294
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Well, don’t expect too much !
Except for excuses and evasions, possibly even accusations against Putin, there won’t be much!
Why ?
Because it should NOT be!
Even if you had found Biden’s passport in the Otsee and a greetings card by the pipeline!
Even if, thanks to dementia, Biden would have told it in front of cameras (which he basically did)
The UN, let alone other institutions in the West, will NEVER name the true perpetrators!
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In addition to this: excerpt
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In any case, it is clear that NATO headquarters in Brussels should know just as much who is responsible as the Russians. All monitoring data from all neighboring NATO countries converge in Brussels, and that of all places in the Baltic Sea, where presumably NO herring lay eggs without being monitored and no one has data that would clarify this attack, is extremely unlikely.
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From this arises another question. Because information that is available, possibly multiple times, can only be kept secret if the owners of this information cooperate. In other words, NATO’s surveillance data is only under control as long as the political approval of those involved is secure. Or, to put it a little more bluntly, undertaking such an act of sabotage against the will of the federal government and keeping it secret borders on the impossible ‼

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:54 utc | 254

@Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:54 utc | 296
The EU didn’t take the clear recorded evidence of Nuland’s demand to “fuck the EU” to heart.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 30 2022 8:57 utc | 255

After the Nord Stream pipelines were apparently blown up, the search for the culprit begins. The Western media launches the dumbest propaganda stunt of all time by pretending for a few days to be open-ended in finding the culprit. In fact, it’s already clear that they want to blame Russia. The US is not even mentioned as a possible culprit. Even an elementary school student understands how stupid that is.
And to put it bluntly right away, repairing the pipelines may be impossible because the pipes will now fill with salt water and they will begin to rust. A repair would only be possible, at least in theory, if it started immediately. However, that is not to be expected. The pipelines are dead.
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https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/nord-stream-gesprengt-die-wohl-duemmste-propaganda-aller-zeiten/

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:59 utc | 256

In their own words, Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland, Condoleeza Rice & Thomas Friedman of Stratfor- the USA will simply not allow Russia & Germany to do business with Russian gas:
Biden:
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1574685985115607040?s=20&t=3TuB9aaroBQQY5HjbQauxqzmJWZseBbCbVWtSMXU2Ew
Nuland:
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1574767713465122817?s=20&t=w-VTOqAy-ZnYXeK0t_2khQ
Rice:
https://twitter.com/ChinaTeacher1/status/1575497620218585088?s=20&t=fJtWzToLz9L24EncRKYhzg
Friedman:
https://www.transcend.org/tms/2014/12/head-of-stratfor-the-private-cia-says-overthrow-of-ukraines-yanukovych-was-the-most-blatant-coup-in-history/
And Polish Member off European Parliament & former Polish Defence Minister, married to Neocon American Applebaum, Dazek Sikorsky tweets his gratitude “Thank you USA” with photo of the gas bubbling up in the Baltic. He’s since deleted his tweet but it was retweeted in a viral surge, e.g:
https://twitter.com/JosDomi77504002/status/1575157239127674885?s=20&t=TrLMyn-pTosYParz9wTB8Q
So the US Neocons and their puppet president make no secret of it. They boast, float and threaten. Anyone who doesn’t believe the Biden puppet regime did this has Stockholm Syndrome.

Posted by: PJB | Sep 30 2022 9:07 utc | 257

@NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:46 utc | 294
Stoltenberg has 2 main characteristics
1. He is a fully owned puppet of the Empire (he is totally compromised as a person)
2. He tells whatever lies he is told to tell
In other words: He does not represent his own country (he is a Quisling), nor does he represent the peoples of the NATO countries. He only repeats what his masters are telling him.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 9:08 utc | 258

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:54 utc | 296
They can make a joint statement of something and people with mushed up brains from too much MSM or ignorancy might believe it. Nothing really changes.
The imbeciles opened up all gas and oil pipelines, platforms, tankers, freighters, network cables etc. on international waters to mysterious accidents or piracy.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 30 2022 9:12 utc | 259

Posted by: Down South | Sep 29 2022 17:45 utc | 1
This “warning” was oddly specific. Could be the false flag we’ve all been waiting for.

Perhaps like the oddly specific warning of an impending russian invasion.
I remember well how this was ridiculed as western propaganda.
Russia would never do this! /s

Posted by: cataphract | Sep 30 2022 9:16 utc | 260

@PJB | Sep 30 2022 9:07 utc | 299
Never include anything after the “?” in a twitter URL unless you want to leak information about yourself.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 30 2022 9:16 utc | 261

I can imagine their desire for weakening and totally colonize the continent, but utter destruction? Is this just their runaway instinct?
Posted by: Rootman | Sep 30 2022 7:59 utc | 276
We have lived in a time of over production for a long time. Proof: the importance of marketing. Salary of annual assistant professor of marketing: 150000 USD, assistant professor of mathematics: 50000, English: 30000 (around 1995).
This productivity is deflationary and that is deadly in a time of astronomical government (and other) debt. Moreover it makes it very hard for capitalists to make a profit. Destruction of economic capacity is needed supplemented with a really strong consumer that can easily swallow and digest the remaining productive capacity. That consumer is riding on the red horse of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
I have long wondered which economic area will be the one to be eliminated. The easiest seemed to be South Korea (albeit maybe too small). But the South Koreans are too clever. You need some cooperation of the affected area to speed along its demise.
The European Union came up with this cooperation in the most spectacular fashion proving the “cosmic stupidity” of its “elites”.

Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 9:24 utc | 262

@ PJB 299
During the demonstrations in the city of London in 2009 against the bankers , police kettled demonstrators and prevented them from using the toilets all day. Those who did not trust the police used the Underground Entrance. The one who trusted the police got tazered and murdered.
So a new word is needed for fascist -terrified citizens. London citizens?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 9:29 utc | 263

I meant to say, London Syndrome

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 9:30 utc | 264

Bloomberg is reporting the attack on Zap. refugees as being Russian. I love the planning on Russian side. it’s beyond stupid. They can’t be bothered to protect any refugee convoy, this is the second destroyed in 2 days, and also create enemy’s propaganda.

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 9:52 utc | 265

In order to understand the Ukraine-Russia war you have to understand the second world war.
To understand the second world war you need to read this article:
preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174
You need to know that Hitler was a double agent.

Posted by: Jacl | Sep 30 2022 9:58 utc | 266

Russia has evidence as to who was behind the acts of international terrorism in blowing up the gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea.
“Russia has data confirming that the West is behind the explosions on Nord Streams, said Sergei Naryshkin, director of the Foreign Intelligence Service.
“The West is doing everything to hide the true organizers and executors of this international terrorist act,” Naryshkin told reporters.”
https://ria.ru/20220930/avarii-1820520644.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 30 2022 9:58 utc | 267

Giyane #305 +306

So a new word is needed for fascist -terrified citizens. London syndrome?

Given that London has been occupied by the Venice Mob since early in the 1600’s can I venture – Doge Syndrome?
Now back to smashing Ukraine nazis: https://t.me/geromanat/1555
War in Europe.

NATO creates a new command under the Ukrainian case (in Wiesbaden, Germany) to train the Ukrainian military in handling Western weapons. In fact, this is a manifestation of a long-term strategy, in which the next step will be the appearance of NATO equipment on the front in a much larger volume. First of all, planes and tanks. While the Russian armed forces have an advantage in both types, it prevents the green forests from fully using them, but in a month there will be no greenery, everyone will be in full view. They will not have time to quickly train the Ukrainian military, but by the spring they will definitely train. Therefore, the time factor becomes one of the key ones.

I assume NATZO will be shifty and weasling some way to prevent a winter offensive from Russia beginning tomorrow or the next day. Tomorrows presser will contain all manner of threats and BS will vomit across the world from the orifice of ‘official NATZO sources’ etc.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 10:02 utc | 268

rk | Sep 30 2022 9:52 utc | 307
They were waiting in a bus to cross into the territory held by Russia with a column of cars. Selective killed civilians who probably wanted to vote or change their sides for the better. Almost certainly Russian speaking,
As stationary targets they would have still been on Kiev held territory.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 30 2022 10:02 utc | 269

The US puppet, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres going above his remit.
” UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres had no authority to make statements on the part of the entire organization about the recent referendums in the people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk (DPR and LPR) and the regions of Kherson and Zaporozhye, Russia’s mission to UN said on Friday.
The Russian Permanent Mission to the United Nations said in a statement that “administrative functions do not give the Secretary-General the right to make political statements on behalf of the UN as a whole,” let alone to “single-handedly deliver interpretation of the norms of the Charter and the documents of the General Assembly.”
https://tass.com/politics/1515595

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 30 2022 10:03 utc | 270

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 2:45 utc | 185
Like, umm, you do realize these posters are not from a paid intel service/pr firm troll farm, right?
Don’t be too sure about that. US doctrine is “full spectrum dominance,” and they spend billions every year to achieve that. No info space is too small, especially not a great one like moa.

Posted by: Zed | Sep 30 2022 10:08 utc | 271

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun
A very good synopsis on where things are at in Ukraine right now.

Posted by: Joe | Sep 30 2022 10:10 utc | 272

As a result of that show of fascist state violence , Kettling innocent demobstrators against Bankster criminals in London under Labour leader Gordon Brown, the Labour Party is no longer electable in Britain.
The subliminal message of poo in public or die is a opermanent psychological obstacle to trusting Labour and breaking the cycle of spiralling privatisation and financial crime.
Not even freeze in your homes and be bankrupt , which is rhe current Tory/ Democrat message to the people, is as degrading as what man of the Manse / vicarage Brown did to the innocent British people protesting Banker crime.
Poo in public ir die.
Since then I have heard many a Tory politician refer to a borrowed word from the past, the ‘ social contract ‘ between citizen and government. This lie is that we the public accept all of the criminality of the ruling classes, without question, including the replacement of all stolen real money by QE, fake monopoly money, bank robbery.
Is a political entity or polity for short that is based on state degradation of protesters and murder of the innocent, a valid premise for continued governance?
No , it isn’t. Nor is the destruction of a pipeline full of gas for the benefit of Europe, a valid premise for the continued governance of Europe by the US and Nato.
This is fascism and terrorism simple. There is no way that US / Nato has the required legitimacy to rule Europe after this cataclysmic event. Go Nato go and don’t come back again ! We will not forget this criminal act by Biden and his minders.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 10:11 utc | 273

GloboHomo…not gonna get that from MI6.
Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 30 2022 2:42 utc | 182
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mi6-boss-criticised-for-tweet-about-lgbt-rights-pl5jhxjdt

Posted by: John Kennard | Sep 30 2022 10:12 utc | 274

The indomitable Eva K Bartlet presents a video clip where Zhirinovsky expounds on the origins of the war: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8912

Late Russian Politician Predicted European History 7 Years Ago
Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the former firebrand leader of Russia’s LDPR party who died in April, apparently foresaw the course of history years in advance, according to a video that recently went viral.
In a clip from his 2015 appearance at a political talk show Zhirinovsky appears to predict events as recent as this week, including a Russia/Ukraine conflict and more specifically the partial mobilization effort launched yesterday by Moscow.
He blames the conflict itself on idle Western money, specifically in the US: “The basis and the reason for the war will be the fact that huge amounts of capital, trillions of dollars, will have nowhere to be invested in. … The only way would be to start a war in some part of Europe, and then a new Marshall Plan… First military shipments, then rebuilding efforts”.
Notably the clip’s virality came after the US military revealed it had spent $2.7 billion on military aid to Ukraine in total so far.

DO WATCH THIS VIDEO

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 10:17 utc | 275

@ John Kennard 316
What other people choose to do with their backsides is thank God none of my business.
I have enough problems with my own , to bother with anybody else’s.
How is Lbgt relevant to a proxy world war in Europe? Are you from Scotland? Or does the puncturing of the Nordstream pipe lines have some sexual frissance like asking Santa to come down my chimney tonight?
WW3 is here. Please do whatever blows yer skirts up , somewhere else.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 10:27 utc | 276

@Giyane | Sep 30 2022 10:11 utc | 315

This is fascism and terrorism simple. There is no way that US / Nato has the required legitimacy to rule Europe after this cataclysmic event. Go Nato go and don’t come back again ! We will not forget this criminal act by Biden and his minders.

Thank you for saying it. This is war on Europe by US/NATO and the consequences must be clear: US and NATO must disappear from Europe, and take EU with them.
We will never forget what The US has done.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 10:30 utc | 277

Dima discusses the Liman situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-uqMJihFRA
and
GERMANY ATTACKED! – THE DAY JOE BIDEN MURDERED EUROPE by Garland Nixon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgVSK0uNDZQ

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 10:42 utc | 278

I rather like Augustus the Strong (Saxony and Poland) as an historical figure. When Peter the Great (Russia) near he was with Peter. When Charles XII (Sweden) was close he was with Charles. He wasn’t too bothered by religion either. I simplify of course. I see Liz Truss as maybe a similar figure. Pro republicanism, pro monarchy, anti- brexit, pro-brexit, …. Flexible like. She seems to have screwed up the pound but Augustus screwed up things as well. It’s not terminal if you are flexible. And after all it was The Great Baronness who went to Gorbachev and then got President Reagan aboard. Flexibility. I’ve great hopes for Liz. Not really expectations- just hopes.

Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Sep 30 2022 10:43 utc | 279

Norwegian
Hi, I assume you are in Norway. Ignoring the price it seems unlikely that Norway and maybe Denmark, not sure about Sweden, will run out of energy this winter. Regardless of price it seems inevitable that much of the EU south east of the Germany/Denmark border will run out.
Given Schengen, have you seen any comments in the press etc of the risk in the coming winter of freezing refugees fleeing to countries that still have heat and power? Especially after all hope of NS gas has gone.
Spain may be at similar risk.
Welcome comments from others too.

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 30 2022 10:50 utc | 280

@304 Bottle
You said:
“This productivity is deflationary and that is deadly in a time of astronomical government (and other) debt. Moreover it makes it very hard for capitalists to make a profit. Destruction of economic capacity is needed supplemented with a really strong consumer that can easily swallow and digest the remaining productive capacity. ”
Well done.
Over-production has been a Western problem since the Great Depression. War wrecks the world’s productive capacity, and the “last man standing” – the U.S. after both WW1 and WW2 – reaps the benefits. And so the U.S. certainly did, and surfed that wave for nearly a century.
Over the course of that century, the rest of the world rehabilitated their productive capacity,
First came core-Europe, then Japan, then Asia (tigers), and Brazil, and then Asia-on-Steroids China all competing to sell the same tradeable goods. Steel, Cars, TVs, industrial equipment. It’s tough to make a profit when there’s that much competition for the customer.
And the customer – the worker – got their income, in real terms, whacked by automation and then the flood of cheap labor during globalization. Not enough consumer buying power. Aggregate demand faltered.
That’s when they trotted out Debt. Shovel-loads of it.
Well, loads of free money worked wonders, as long as you can find someone to lend it to you.
Worked great so long as Asia and Germany and Saudi Arabia etc. was willing to trade hard goods for printed dollars.
Lately, not so much.
So there are some clear economic reasons why all this warfare is happening now, and why it’s happening on the doorstep of Russia (lots of resources) and China (lots of skilled workers and a massive consumer market).
The West’s econ engine has been struggling for decades. New booty (resources and markets) is needed, and quite desperately, and right now.
So targeting Europe makes sense. Knock down EU’s production capacity as you use it as platform to attack Russia.
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What continues to amaze me is that people call the NeoCons (the spear-head) and the Hidden But Known By Their Actions (Deep State and owners of Deep State apparatus … aka the Shaft of the Spear) … people say they’re clumsy, and stupid, and inept.
No, they’re not.
They’re brilliant. They know, from centuries of experience, how to play the game, and they’re playing it well.
Just so happens that what’s good for them is mostly bad for everyone else.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 30 2022 11:04 utc | 281

A point I have seen little commented on is the considerable power that Poland may now have over Germany in that I assume it still has a live but valve turned off pipeline, with 50% of either NS pipeline, running from Russia into Germany, Yamal.
I assume that no-one in the German, or any other Western Government wants to let the German population know that in the middle of winter there is still an option to get gas.
Whilst Poland can keep its hands ‘clean’ by not using any it could come to the rescue of Germany, a savior no less. Even the US could get kudos by allowing it and hence saving German lives. Win-win. Now, how much reparations did Poland want from Germany?
Enough reason on its own for the end of NS2?

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 30 2022 11:05 utc | 282

Liman is on the verge of being surrounded. Ukraine’s Northern and Southern pincers almost connect.
If Ukraine can encircle Liman and force the garrison to surrender, it would be a huge victory for Ukraine, but not a war deciding one. The odds are way way too much in favour of Russia. The only hope for the West is that a couple of deafeats of the mighty Russian army by their Ukrainian disposable subjects triggers an uprising in Russia, which then forces it to abandon the Ukraine project, a bit like the German Empire bringing Lenin to Zarist Russia who then withdrew Russia from WW1 at the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Until now, this is kind of a hail mary pass, not enough to build your entire strategy on. Militarily, Russia cant be defeated by Ukraine.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:13 utc | 283

aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 3:11 utc | 198
dealing with annoying posters
download tampermonkey, get Barfly Tools
it is pretty easy to set up and I have been using it for a very long time. When you come across someone who contributes nothing or worse, just click the Block box to right of their name and time date stamp and their posts will be reduced to just that date time stamp in red

Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 30 2022 11:16 utc | 284

@282
Unbelievable but true. Lyman is about to fall to the AFU, if it hasn’t already, and all those Russian troops are either going to be killed or taken captive. Meanwhile, they are throwing a party in Moscow about incorporating 4 new oblasts. WTF is Russia doing? I don’t understand this “SMO” at all.

Posted by: Witness | Sep 30 2022 11:22 utc | 285

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 3:05 utc | 195
With respect you are wrong. The recognition of the plebiscite regions as part of the Russian Federation is a matter of international law.
In regard to the international recognition if the incorporation of the plebiscite three issues are relevant.
1. Russia is a federation of states and incorporation is amenable under the Russian Federation constitution.
2. Annexation of territory since WWII is prohibited absolutely under international law. Although not apparently under the law of the United States as in United States v. Huckabee (1872). The Russian Federation constituted its action in Ukraine as a ‘Special Military Operation’ and did not declare war on Ukraine precisely for this reason under international law and for the political objective of incorporating the ethnic Russian oblasts democratically within the Russian Federation. Putin is NOT Hitler and the Russian Federation is NOT Nazi Germany under international law ( contra the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland by Nazi Germany by military conquest).
3. The recognition under international law of the plebiscite oblasts as constituent parts of the Russian Federation can and will proceed under the principle of cession where Ukraine either by treaty or waiver over a period of time gives up its sovereignty claims to the oblasts. Article 1 of the Montevideo Convention on Rights and Duties of States provides that a state
should possess a defined territory. So it will be a question of time or treaty.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:25 utc | 286

I see Liz Truss as maybe a similar figure.
Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Sep 30 2022 10:43 utc | 321

There is of course a very subtle but crucial difference.
In his constant hunt for more gold to cover his lavish expenses, August hired several alchemists because at that time people were still firmly convinced of the beneficial effects of lapis philosophorum. One of these alchemists, a certain Johann Friedrich Böttger, accidentally discovered porcelain during his experiments. August appreciated it very much. He called it ‘white gold’. It made Saxony rich.
Truss smashes it, because she has not the faintest idea of its worth.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 30 2022 11:26 utc | 287

First Deputy Head of the Kherson Region’s Military-Civilian Administration Alexey Katerinichev was assassinated. Two HIMARS rockets hit the house where he lived. He previously had served for 25 years in the Russian border guard forces and in various divisions of FSB
Well done Shoigu.

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:27 utc | 288

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:27 utc | 330

Well done Shoigu.

This is the price of war. I’m sure he paid it gladly.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 11:28 utc | 289

The imbeciles opened up all gas and oil pipelines, platforms, tankers, freighters, network cables etc. on international waters to mysterious accidents or piracy.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 30 2022 9:12 utc | 301
Yes, specifically it makes it easy for anybody to do similar sabotage while blaming Uncle Sugar. Thanks, Joe. So much infrastructure, in such crappy shape, and so little security for most of it. Just be sure to leave an “intact passport” equivalent at the scene.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 30 2022 11:30 utc | 290

@282
Unbelievable but true. Lyman is about to fall to the AFU, if it hasn’t already, and all those Russian troops are either going to be killed or taken captive. Meanwhile, they are throwing a party in Moscow about incorporating 4 new oblasts. WTF is Russia doing? I don’t understand this “SMO” at all.
Posted by: Witness | Sep 30 2022 11:22 utc | 327

What is Russia doing? Their General Staff pretty much miscalculated how many forces they needed to be victorious in Ukraine and dragged it on for months and months.
Ukraine lacks equipment (West made up for it), but has nummerical superiority. Russia is now re-calibrating that with the partial mobilization.
However, those forces will hit the frontline too late to make a difference for the next weeks. The West is forcing Ukraine to use this window of opporunity. My guess is that the West will push Ukraine up until Russia has the forces ready to strike Ukraine with nummerical superiority. The West hopes that this would be enough to go into negotiations with a couple of chips to bargain with. However, Russia is anticipating that move and is incorporating the four oblasts into Russia, which makes it impossible to bargain away any of these territories. Its do or die.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:33 utc | 291

Video Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) questions Victoria Nuland, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee and says:’I Don’t Want That Pipeline Operational’…rolling back…taking action that will prevent it from ever becoming operational…
starts at 2:44/4:10. The whole clip is quite instructive. I don’t know the date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBUIlHM9WSo

Posted by: JB | Sep 30 2022 11:34 utc | 292

The legal recognition of the plebiscite oblasts under international law will be effected over time if the fascists in Kiev refuse to recognise the de facto loss of its territory by the international law principle of prescription. The prescription principle is activated by occupation, and refers to the acquisition of sovereignty by way of the actual exercise of sovereignty, maintained for a reasonable period of time, that is effected without objection from other states.
If the strutting little fascist in Kiev maintains his defiance of reality, time and the facts of occupation and the NON-OBJECTION of states will effect the legality under international law. The brilliant action of the Russian Federation and Putin will be vindicated in law. With the exercise of the democratic will of the good and brave people of the ethnic Russian oblasts it is all over.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:40 utc | 293

A point I have seen little commented on is the considerable power that Poland may now have over Germany in that I assume it still has a live but valve turned off pipeline, with 50% of either NS pipeline, running from Russia into Germany, Yamal.
Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 30 2022 11:05 utc | 324
The pipeline isn’t turned off, it delivers gas from Germany to Poland.
But it doesn’t matter if Poland turns the valve – it stole the Yamal pipeline from Gazprom. Gazprom states it will not deliver gas through its stolen property. (Likewise it refused to deliver gas to Gazprom Germania that Germany stole / nationalized.)
Poland does have considerable power, and they know it. Germany is looking for alternative crude oil deliveries for its refinery in Schwedt, as it will no longer take crude through the Druzhba pipeline in 2023. The alternative route would be crude delivered through the ports of Rostock and Danzig. Rostock doesn’t have the infrastructure. Poland is delighted to provide the refinery with crude oil through Danzig. Provided Germany nationalize the refinery, and hand it over to Poland. In case you wonder: Rosneft is majority owner of that refinery. Germany is currently still balking at Poland’s demand.
Well, Germany doesn’t know where it can get crude oil comparable to that from Russia. Only Venezuela offers comparable crude, but Venezuela is under sanctions, and therefore cannot deliver.
In other news: the Bundesnetagentur warns that German households and small enterprises are using noticeably more gas than in the years before on average. This will mean we will run out of gas, and need to save more gas now. Who would’ve thougt that after a an extremely hot summer, there would come an extremely cold and wet autumn. And the temperature keeps falling.

Posted by: Martina | Sep 30 2022 11:43 utc | 294

OT but why is the Biden family posting so much on MoA? 😛
Nice day so far, enjoy the weekend people! Embrace any ray of light that finds its way to you! 🙂 (I mean it, not trying to be scary or anything).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 30 2022 11:49 utc | 295

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:27 utc | 330
You describe an assassination, which is a fascist war crime and then blame the Defense Minister of the Russian Federation, Hero of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu. How does that work except as a pathetic attempt at trolling?

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:50 utc | 296

Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:33 utc | 333
Nothing stops Russia from targeting things that will instantly disable the enemy army, like the power grid, trains, roads to nato countries, the military leadership, fuel supplies, communications etc. They haven’t. For some reason they think that killing a few nazis each day (very few) will solve something.

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:50 utc | 297

If Ukraine can encircle Liman and force the garrison to surrender, it would be a huge victory for Ukraine, but not a war deciding one.
Liman is a “carrot” Looks like the Ukies took the bait…
40,000 soldiers attacking from their side….
All in a very small place….
With no air cover, whatever…..
With little artillery support at the beginning…. being destroyed daily..
With Russian artillery on 3 sides….
Charging fortified positions held by experienced troops…
Being bombed by ~ 600 aircraft….???
Being shelled by flame throwing tanks…??
Being shelled by hundreds of artillery pieces round the clock…
Interesting….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 30 2022 11:52 utc | 298

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:40 utc | 335
I had to learn it as well: In politics and intl relations, nobody cares for law. Might makes right. Always.
Look at the history of humankind. Empires rose and fell. Ppl adapt to new conditions and after 2-3 decades, it is being taken for granted. China incorporated Tibet, now everybody accepts it. When Cathrine the Great incorporated todays South-Eastern Ukraine into Russia, it ended the Crimean Khanate and Turkish rule that went on for centuries. The ppl who lived there became Russians. As long as humans rule of the planet, this cycle will go on and on. The same will happen again in current South-Eastern Ukraine, if Russia is victorious. Ukraine will keep the territories, if it can defeat Russia (which is VERY unlikely). After the war concludes, new lines will be drawn and ppl will live with that. In 2-3 decades, nobody will care anymore what happened in 2022-23.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:53 utc | 299

@Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:50 utc | 338
It’s not trolling, Shoigu is indeed dumb. There is no defense after months of multiple assassinations.
They didn’t shoot from across the street. 2 himars can be intercepted or seen from drones and sat long before they shoot. If you want to.

Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:53 utc | 300