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September 29, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-161
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. Please stick to the topic. The current open thread for other issues is here.
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About half of the thread is consumed with attacking Muthaucker and is responses. I dont know what he said to arose such irritation, but what I see is he is polite and composed unlike those attacking him. He is clearly not a troll – it appears most of you have no idea what a troll is. I dont know if there is a term for posters who gang-up to attack unwanted opinions, but there should be and it is equally wrong. I hope Muthaucker will continue posting and suggest stop responding to the attacks. Posted by: jared | Sep 30 2022 5:01 utc | 201 aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 3:11 utc | 198 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 5:03 utc | 202 Skeptic | Sep 30 2022 3:45 utc | 217 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 5:10 utc | 203 Nord Stream: Sabotage von Verhandlungen oder Putsch der Neocons?
Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 30 2022 5:21 utc | 204 I trust me. Who do you trust? Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 5:24 utc | 205 I can imagine that to be drafted to be sent to war would be difficult to accept. I wonder if typical young Russian can actually appreciate what the country is up against and perhaps does not particularly care. It has to be taught – pride and patriotism. I have the impression that many Russians hold there own country in low esteem and see US as land of opportunity. Posted by: jared | Sep 30 2022 5:29 utc | 206 The conflict has moved to a new stage where there is only a winner and a looser, and that can bring the nuclear weapons closer in the horizon if there was a national existential threat to either sides. Posted by: Man | Sep 30 2022 5:36 utc | 207 Turkstream Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 5:46 utc | 208 “There are a few excellent comments here, but the vast majority are genocidal and/or homicidal or obsessed with anal sex. You know who else loves anal sex with men? GloboHomo…not gonna get that from MI6. Posted by: line islands | Sep 30 2022 6:00 utc | 209
The only two questions I’ve needed in my 15 years of business leadership experience: Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 30 2022 6:03 utc | 210 One of the released Azovstal PoW has uploaded some vid … Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 6:05 utc | 211 @Metaleuca 249 Posted by: La Bastille | Sep 30 2022 6:09 utc | 212 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 4:08 utc | 226 Posted by: Paco | Sep 30 2022 6:12 utc | 213 @224 Giyane Posted by: tunabe | Sep 30 2022 6:14 utc | 214 Duran’s latest has been spiked sharpish by Youtube. Posted by: Walt | Sep 30 2022 6:15 utc | 215 So NS is bye bye and now TurkStream has its license revoked? It’s like EU wants to hit Hungary and Serbia at the same time. Who else from EU gets gas from TurkStream? Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 6:19 utc | 216 So, to control a country: Posted by: marko | Sep 30 2022 6:22 utc | 217 @tunabe | Sep 30 2022 6:14 utc | 255 Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 6:23 utc | 218 @257 rk Posted by: tunabe | Sep 30 2022 6:25 utc | 219 rk #257
A quick search found this from DW in 2018:https://www.dw.com/en/turkstream-who-profits-who-loses-out/a-46364057-0
Sanctioning a NATO member will go down well with Erdogan. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 6:44 utc | 220 Note the date of this article: April 14, 2021, 22:30
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To bad this advice wasn’t followed. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 6:55 utc | 221 SeanAU #246
Agreed. I am with you on that post. I see Putin as a peculiar leader, sometimes hands on and driving change and other times far too remote or too confident in delegation. And when the shtf then leaving his intervention is way too late. Or so it seems to us remote peanut gallery audience. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 6:59 utc | 222 The pathetic UN leader condemn Russia when ukrainians vote to leave Ukraine! Posted by: Zanon | Sep 30 2022 7:10 utc | 223 Turkstream Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 7:11 utc | 224 Putin has signed a decree recognising two former Ukrainian states as independent as independent
Posted by: Down South | Sep 30 2022 7:11 utc | 225 jared | 30 september 2022 5:01 utc | 242 Posted by: Northern Eve | Sep 30 2022 7:14 utc | 226 @Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 6:55 utc | 262 Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 7:14 utc | 227 A convoy tried to leave Ukr controlled Zaporozhye to Russian controlled Zaporozhye. Zely didn’t like it so now at least 23 dead, 28 wounded. Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 7:22 utc | 228 @Walt | Sep 30 2022 6:15 utc | 256 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 7:28 utc | 229 Note – the RF has not mobilized ‘conscripts’ – it has mobilized a (small) portion of what the U.S. military calls it’s Ready Reserve. Big Difference. Posted by: Exile | Sep 30 2022 7:34 utc | 230 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | Sep 30 2022 7:38 utc | 231 I will have to reevaluate my general regard for German people as being mostly intelligent rational thinkers. Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 7:48 utc | 232 Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Sep 29 2022 19:55 utc | 36 Posted by: njet | Sep 30 2022 7:56 utc | 233 9/28/22, Diana Johnstone, US gangsters: “Imperialist wars are waged to conquer lands, peoples, territories. Gangster wars are waged to remove competitors. In gangster wars you issue an obscure warning, then you smash the windows or burn the place down. Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 30 2022 7:59 utc | 234 What I never saw, here or anywhere else, was neocon/ deep state ideas about the next steps in Europe. I can imagine their desire for weakening and totally colonize the continent, but utter destruction? Is this just their runaway instinct? Don’t they really have any scenarios? For the most they were NATO members and held on to inherited respect, like seats in the security council and other diplomatically somewhat useful organizations. But now they are creating instability, and a growing collective understanding about the totally evil WEF agenda and skepticism towards officials and media. For the near future it won’t lead to meaningful opposition, but even in the medium term this might change, and even if surpressed succesfully, the EU countries will become totally useless vassals to them Posted by: Rootman | Sep 30 2022 7:59 utc | 235 Norwegian #262
Sometimes other advice might be offered to leave the situation as a temptation to assess the scale of extreme that might tempt the aggressor outlaw imperium. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 8:07 utc | 236 Reuters reports:
Posted by: too scents | Sep 30 2022 8:09 utc | 237 Prepare for another gas sabotage on another gas pipeline of Russia!
https://swentr.site/news/563758-turkstream-pipeline-russian-gas-threat/ Posted by: Zanon | Sep 30 2022 8:12 utc | 238 Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 0:40 utc | 138 Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:14 utc | 239 The latest from Rybar indicates that Krasny Liman will be encircled. How many 1000’s of Russian troops will end up captives? Risk of tactical nukes has gone up. Posted by: Poul | Sep 30 2022 8:18 utc | 240 I am surprised at no-one having hinted at this piece of obviousness: that the breaking of the conduits is an obvious mob-style retortion for the unification referenda. Done immediately and in that unmistakable rub-in-your-face guise. As those who are safe to have the (far) upped hand, and are governed by addiction to power, are used to do it. Posted by: atlantis_dweller | Sep 30 2022 8:22 utc | 241 Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:14 utc | 280 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 30 2022 8:26 utc | 242 Twitter polls in Deutsch with ~15k votes show over 80% blaming USA and less than 10% blame Russia for blowing up Nordstrom 1&2. Posted by: PJB | Sep 30 2022 8:27 utc | 243 Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 23:27 utc | 118 Posted by: cataphract | Sep 30 2022 8:27 utc | 244 Posted by: Skeptic | Sep 30 2022 3:32 utc | 206 Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:29 utc | 245 PS The only thing in which the USA is “great” is coming last. Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 8:31 utc | 246 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 30 2022 2:59 utc | 193 Posted by: cataphract | Sep 30 2022 8:32 utc | 247 … Simple format change: Identity of poster must be the new opener. It would ease one’s eyestrain, save time and likely slow down the regurgitation of persistent pests. Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 30 2022 8:34 utc | 248 @Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:14 utc | 280 Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 8:38 utc | 249 @226 aristodemos Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:39 utc | 250 Friday 9.50 a.m Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:43 utc | 251 From Intel Slava Z Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:46 utc | 252 NATO Secretary General will hold an unscheduled press conference on Friday at 19.00 Moscow time, the topic of the speech has not been reported. Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:54 utc | 254 @Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:54 utc | 296 Posted by: too scents | Sep 30 2022 8:57 utc | 255 After the Nord Stream pipelines were apparently blown up, the search for the culprit begins. The Western media launches the dumbest propaganda stunt of all time by pretending for a few days to be open-ended in finding the culprit. In fact, it’s already clear that they want to blame Russia. The US is not even mentioned as a possible culprit. Even an elementary school student understands how stupid that is. Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:59 utc | 256 In their own words, Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland, Condoleeza Rice & Thomas Friedman of Stratfor- the USA will simply not allow Russia & Germany to do business with Russian gas: Posted by: PJB | Sep 30 2022 9:07 utc | 257 @NemesisCalling | Sep 30 2022 8:46 utc | 294 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 9:08 utc | 258 Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 30 2022 8:54 utc | 296 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 30 2022 9:12 utc | 259 Posted by: Down South | Sep 29 2022 17:45 utc | 1 Posted by: cataphract | Sep 30 2022 9:16 utc | 260 @PJB | Sep 30 2022 9:07 utc | 299 Posted by: too scents | Sep 30 2022 9:16 utc | 261 I can imagine their desire for weakening and totally colonize the continent, but utter destruction? Is this just their runaway instinct? Posted by: bottle | Sep 30 2022 9:24 utc | 262 @ PJB 299 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 9:29 utc | 263 Bloomberg is reporting the attack on Zap. refugees as being Russian. I love the planning on Russian side. it’s beyond stupid. They can’t be bothered to protect any refugee convoy, this is the second destroyed in 2 days, and also create enemy’s propaganda. Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 9:52 utc | 265 In order to understand the Ukraine-Russia war you have to understand the second world war. Posted by: Jacl | Sep 30 2022 9:58 utc | 266 Russia has evidence as to who was behind the acts of international terrorism in blowing up the gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 30 2022 9:58 utc | 267 Giyane #305 +306
Given that London has been occupied by the Venice Mob since early in the 1600’s can I venture – Doge Syndrome?
I assume NATZO will be shifty and weasling some way to prevent a winter offensive from Russia beginning tomorrow or the next day. Tomorrows presser will contain all manner of threats and BS will vomit across the world from the orifice of ‘official NATZO sources’ etc. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 10:02 utc | 268 rk | Sep 30 2022 9:52 utc | 307 Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 30 2022 10:02 utc | 269 The US puppet, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres going above his remit. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 30 2022 10:03 utc | 270 Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 2:45 utc | 185 Posted by: Zed | Sep 30 2022 10:08 utc | 271 https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun Posted by: Joe | Sep 30 2022 10:10 utc | 272 As a result of that show of fascist state violence , Kettling innocent demobstrators against Bankster criminals in London under Labour leader Gordon Brown, the Labour Party is no longer electable in Britain. Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 10:11 utc | 273 GloboHomo…not gonna get that from MI6. Posted by: John Kennard | Sep 30 2022 10:12 utc | 274 The indomitable Eva K Bartlet presents a video clip where Zhirinovsky expounds on the origins of the war: https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8912
DO WATCH THIS VIDEO Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 10:17 utc | 275 @ John Kennard 316 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 10:27 utc | 276 @Giyane | Sep 30 2022 10:11 utc | 315
Thank you for saying it. This is war on Europe by US/NATO and the consequences must be clear: US and NATO must disappear from Europe, and take EU with them. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 30 2022 10:30 utc | 277 Dima discusses the Liman situation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-uqMJihFRA Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 10:42 utc | 278 I rather like Augustus the Strong (Saxony and Poland) as an historical figure. When Peter the Great (Russia) near he was with Peter. When Charles XII (Sweden) was close he was with Charles. He wasn’t too bothered by religion either. I simplify of course. I see Liz Truss as maybe a similar figure. Pro republicanism, pro monarchy, anti- brexit, pro-brexit, …. Flexible like. She seems to have screwed up the pound but Augustus screwed up things as well. It’s not terminal if you are flexible. And after all it was The Great Baronness who went to Gorbachev and then got President Reagan aboard. Flexibility. I’ve great hopes for Liz. Not really expectations- just hopes. Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Sep 30 2022 10:43 utc | 279 Norwegian Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 30 2022 10:50 utc | 280 @304 Bottle Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 30 2022 11:04 utc | 281 A point I have seen little commented on is the considerable power that Poland may now have over Germany in that I assume it still has a live but valve turned off pipeline, with 50% of either NS pipeline, running from Russia into Germany, Yamal. Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 30 2022 11:05 utc | 282 Liman is on the verge of being surrounded. Ukraine’s Northern and Southern pincers almost connect. Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:13 utc | 283 aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 3:11 utc | 198 Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 30 2022 11:16 utc | 284 @282 Posted by: Witness | Sep 30 2022 11:22 utc | 285 Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 3:05 utc | 195 Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:25 utc | 286 I see Liz Truss as maybe a similar figure. Posted by: Nobody | Sep 30 2022 11:26 utc | 287 First Deputy Head of the Kherson Region’s Military-Civilian Administration Alexey Katerinichev was assassinated. Two HIMARS rockets hit the house where he lived. He previously had served for 25 years in the Russian border guard forces and in various divisions of FSB Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:27 utc | 288 Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:27 utc | 330
This is the price of war. I’m sure he paid it gladly. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 11:28 utc | 289 The imbeciles opened up all gas and oil pipelines, platforms, tankers, freighters, network cables etc. on international waters to mysterious accidents or piracy. Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 30 2022 11:30 utc | 290
What is Russia doing? Their General Staff pretty much miscalculated how many forces they needed to be victorious in Ukraine and dragged it on for months and months. Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:33 utc | 291 Video Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) questions Victoria Nuland, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee and says:’I Don’t Want That Pipeline Operational’…rolling back…taking action that will prevent it from ever becoming operational… Posted by: JB | Sep 30 2022 11:34 utc | 292 The legal recognition of the plebiscite oblasts under international law will be effected over time if the fascists in Kiev refuse to recognise the de facto loss of its territory by the international law principle of prescription. The prescription principle is activated by occupation, and refers to the acquisition of sovereignty by way of the actual exercise of sovereignty, maintained for a reasonable period of time, that is effected without objection from other states. Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:40 utc | 293 A point I have seen little commented on is the considerable power that Poland may now have over Germany in that I assume it still has a live but valve turned off pipeline, with 50% of either NS pipeline, running from Russia into Germany, Yamal. Posted by: Martina | Sep 30 2022 11:43 utc | 294 OT but why is the Biden family posting so much on MoA? 😛 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 30 2022 11:49 utc | 295 Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:27 utc | 330 Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:50 utc | 296 Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:33 utc | 333 Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:50 utc | 297 If Ukraine can encircle Liman and force the garrison to surrender, it would be a huge victory for Ukraine, but not a war deciding one. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 30 2022 11:52 utc | 298 Posted by: Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:40 utc | 335 Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Sep 30 2022 11:53 utc | 299 @Paul McGrory | Sep 30 2022 11:50 utc | 338 Posted by: rk | Sep 30 2022 11:53 utc | 300 |
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