Meanwhile at the Kremlin today Putin held meetings first with CIS Intelligence and Security Chiefs then met with his Security Council, both links are to the English transcripts. I remind readers that Moldova remains a CIS member and they should consider what Zakharova had to say about happenings there in her Briefing. Putin had the following and much more to tell his CIS guests. Emphasis is mine:

We are seeing the difficult process of the forming of a more just world order. This process is accompanied by the well-known problems that lie on the surface. The old unipolar hegemony is inexorably collapsing. This is an objective reality that the West is categorically refusing to accept. We see all the consequences of this. Clinging to the past and trying to pursue a policy of dictate in all areas – from international relations and the economy to culture and sports – the notorious collective West is creating more and more problems and crises. In the process, it is not stopping at anything as it exerts pressure on the countries that choose a sovereign path of development, that do not want to obey it but that want to choose their own path and future independently and freely, and maintain their culture, traditions and values.
In the current challenging and tense international situation, external security and internal stability are the primary conditions for the gradual economic and social development of our countries. If we want to put up a truly solid barrier against existing and potential threats, the CIS countries must take consistent and coordinated action, continuously strengthening mutual support. It is the only way for us to protect our interests on the international scene and drive back any ill-wishers.
Pursuing their goals, our geopolitical adversaries, our opponents, as we said recently, are ready to expose anyone, everyone, any country to a blow, turning it into a ground zero of a crisis, instigating “colour revolutions” and unleashing bloody massacres. We have seen this many times before.
We also know that the West is devising scenarios for inciting new conflicts in the CIS. But we already have enough of them. Just look at what is happening between Russia and Ukraine, what is happening on the borders of other CIS countries. Indeed, all of this is the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union; this much is understandable. But the risks of destabilisation are growing again, including the risks of destabilisation in the entire Asia-Pacific region.

The Security Council talk centered on the Mobilization and errors made in its implementation. Putin clearly isn’t pleased with the gaffs which remind me of Soviet ineptitude. These three paragraphs provide the meat of the matter:

I repeat: Citizens in the reserve, above all, those who have served in the Armed Forces, have needed military specialties and the relevant experience, are subject to conscription. At the same time, those called up for military service must undergo additional military training before being sent to their units. I would like to emphasise that this coordination and personnel training is a requirement that must be strictly observed.
At the same time, in the course of mobilisation we receive a lot of information from citizens about the organisation of conscription, the quality of supplies, the living conditions and other issues. A lot of questions are being raised during this mobilisation campaign, and we must promptly correct our mistakes and not repeat them in the future regarding those citizens who, for example, are eligible for deferment, such as fathers with many children, or people who have chronic illnesses, or who are already over the call-up age. We need to deal with each case separately, and if a mistake has been made – I repeat – it must be corrected, and those who have been drafted without proper grounds must be sent home.
There are also cases where, for example, doctors and highly qualified specialists in other professions, and with many years of experience, are enlisted in motor-rifle units, instead of serving where they are really needed, and what they are ready for and needed for, for example, in hospitals. Why? And at the same time, volunteers who go to military enlistment offices themselves, and there are many such men, are turned away. They allegedly do not have the necessary military specialties, or they are rejected for other grounds. All of this should be dealt with without fuss, calmly, but quickly, in detail and thoroughly.

IMO, “the notorious collective West” will use all its assets to try and stay atop; although after yesterday’s event, I expect the process will now be shouldered by the Outlaw US Empire almost exclusively. There are words Putin may have said later behind closed doors like: To get to us they’ll need to go through your nations first, an unfortunate reality. True, you may not like that reality, but there are only two choices–Fight for your freedom along with Russia and the RoW or become a slave to Neoliberal Totalitarianism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 30 2022 0:04 utc | 104

Hes not German btw. An immigrant.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 29 2022 18:48 utc | 9
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Explains a lot. No offense, but our parallel societies have their own social dynamics.
Divide et impera.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 30 2022 0:05 utc | 106

I see Guterres is trying to deny those in Ukraine freedom from their Nazi oppressors, “UN chief tells Moscow ‘to step back from the brink’: Antonio Guterres called on Russia to stop the ‘annexation’ of former Ukrainian regions and warned against ‘dangerous escalation.'” The man is clearly biased now more than ever. Why is Russia being warned when the Outlaw US Empire is the most obvious threat to global peace, particularly after yesterday’s act of terrorism?!? Here he echo’s the Empire’s talking point:
“‘Any decision to proceed with the annexation of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions of Ukraine would have no legal value and deserves to be condemned. It cannot be reconciled with the international legal framework,’ Guterres said.”
I call Bullshit. He’s no different from Borrell and the rest.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 30 2022 0:16 utc | 108

USA weapons disaster. Poor quality steel, no QA on weapons suppliers, metal fatigue and useless M-777 canons. Repeatedly dud weapons – not surprised. This is laughable:

A team of US military specialists has been deployed in Poland to remotely help Ukrainians repair failing Western weapons.
The list of weapons covered by the American guarantee includes 14 items, including HIMARS, 155-mm howitzers and Javelins. A separate closed chat room is set up to advise on each type of weapon, and internet connectivity is provided by Starlink satellites.
Certain issues have stumped the US military: it turns out that Western armaments cannot withstand the stresses of constant use. Howitzers, for example, are having their barrel rifling wiped out.
“We were not prepared for such wear and tear on the howitzers. They were never even tested under such conditions. This kind of ammunition consumption was not foreseen by either weapons manufacturers or development program managers,” the U.S. Army lieutenant colonel claims.
As the American officer admits, “Many of the parts that need to be replaced are simply not available.”
The base where the American specialists work is under special protection. Patriot air defence systems are deployed there, because the US military command fears Russian missile strikes against it. The state of the security systems was recently inspected personally by the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley.

Check Milley’s quote in the last paragraph. He actually defines the target options by expressly mentioning the radar signal of Patriot air defence systems. Confirmation that this fool is definitely in the weapons sales boondoggle business. Quote from https://t.me/Slavyangrad/10955

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 0:24 utc | 110

“I am in the US. Florida to be specific.”
Hurricane Ivan coming up your street mutha’ucker!

Posted by: tucenz | Sep 30 2022 0:26 utc | 112

Wouldn’t it be terrifying if that new Baltic Pipe were to suffer a similar and unexplained explosion.
Sauce for goose and gander kinda thing…
Posted by: Bubaroonicus | Sep 30 2022 0:15 utc | 131
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Would not make sense as it is not good self-promotion. There is only one party in this conflict that still has a face to lose.

Posted by: Nobody | Sep 30 2022 0:33 utc | 114

from the ‘ western’ perspective via MSN collated news,
Putin signs decrees paving way for annexing Ukraine territories of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia
(by mindless stenographers) Andrew Roth in Moscow and Isobel Koshiw in Kyiv
…where Russia held fake referendums
…mark a major escalation of Russia’s seven-month-old war.
…obliging Russia to fight in perpetuity for Ukrainian territory,
…some of which it does not currently control.
…would have no legal value deserves to be condemned UN António Guterres
…US would never recognise Russia’s claims on Ukraine’s territory
…denounced the fake referendums as an “absolute sham”
…Russia is not ready to negotiate, not ready to make any concessions
…cannot even be called imitation of referendums Zelenskiy said
…the illegal actions of the Russian Federation
…a firm reaction to the fake referendums
(and being repeated endlessly world wide)
“The (referendums) are worthless and do not change reality. The territorial integrity of Ukraine will be restored. And our reaction to Russia’s recognition of their results will be very harsh,” Zelenskiy said (dems fighting words!)
– The Kremlin does not have full control of the territories it is seeking to annex
– including several mid-size cities that are not under Russian control
– would mean the Kremlin is obliging the country to fight in perpetuity to defend territories
– annexation will make the chance of a negotiated settlement even more remote
– amended its constitution in 2022 to forbid ceding territory the country has formally annexed
– forbid Russia from ceding territories occupied or not currently under Kremlin control
Ekaterina Schulmann, a Russian political scientist (who?), wrote that after annexation, the “Russian Federation as we knew it will pass into a new phase of its existence, having become a state with a delegitimised border, including fragments that not only won’t be recognised by any state or international organisation de jure, but won’t be controlled by its central administration de facto” (either).
from https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/putin-signs-decrees-paving-way-for-annexing-ukraine-territories-of-kherson-and-zaporizhzhia/ar-AA12nUIP
Context and likely non-Recognition by the international community:
Thus far only 8 nations have recognised the result of the 2014 referendum in Crimea and the subsequent Russian annexation. Being Afghanistan, Cuba, North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, and Zimbabwe. Three non-UN member states recognised the results of the referendum: Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Artsakh.
Hardly geopolitical heavy hitters. Member states of the CSTO, BRICS and SCO remain silent on the matter.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 0:40 utc | 116

Americans definitely have an advantage in open geo-pol internet discussion platforms.
30 years of experience has created seasoned veterans who neither get excited about propaganda or trolls.
Rather, one can rationally sift through competing claims and engage in betting the markets based on real world facts.
And what are those? Our play was to collapse Russia through domestic discord. Yet another color revolution driven by standard economic isolation.
However the incorporation of the 4 republics demonstrate that Russia has won. Why? Because the government strengthened rather than failed.
At this point Russia holds all the advantages, including time and natural resources. They don’t need to do anything other than settle in for another decades long cold war.
The nuke conversation is silly, because the western deep state won’t survive. It’s just bluster because MAD is still relevant.
So, what’s that mean to those wishing to profit? Well, it’s quite obvious Europe is finished. Capital and technology flight will begin in earnest looking for relatively safe havens.
In this regard I believe the US will be one of the biggest winners. (The other being Russia.) Even though we’ve fully embraced MMT and are destroying $USD value, demand from capital inflows will keep it realively valuable.
Second, our open southern border is producing huge population growth, which in turn is driving the housing market and real estate prices ever higher.
Third, I think Russia picks up a lot of inflow as well. They posses the globe’s last great stores of natural resources, which make it an attractive home to any mfg operation seeking stable, long term growth.
That’s about it. If you’re a Yank, keep buying real estate. (Stay far away from violent urban ethnic zones.) If you’re a Euro, you need to think about where you can go. For you Russians, you’re about to enter a golden age of peace and prosperity.

Posted by: B9k9 | Sep 30 2022 0:46 utc | 118

@ Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 23:21 utc | 115
How did you guess they were talking about you?

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 30 2022 0:55 utc | 120

@ SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 0:40 utc | 138

from
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/putin-signs-decrees-paving-way-for
-annexing-ukraine-territories-of-kherson-and-zaporizhzhia/ar-AA12nUIP
Context and likely non-Recognition by the international community:
Thus far only 8 nations have recognised the result of the 2014 referendum in Crimea and the subsequent Russian annexation. Being Afghanistan, Cuba, North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, and Zimbabwe. Three non-UN member states recognised the results of the referendum: Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Artsakh.
Hardly geopolitical heavy hitters. Member states of the CSTO, BRICS and SCO remain silent on the matter.

Silence is acquiescence.

The common law doctrine of estoppel by acquiescence is applied when one party gives legal notice to a second party of a fact or claim, and the second party fails to challenge or refute that claim within a reasonable time.

Posted by: ? | Sep 30 2022 1:16 utc | 122

WOW… look like Putin has his dick deeeeep deeeep deep inside Muthaucker ass

Posted by: myname | Sep 30 2022 1:23 utc | 124

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 20:12 utc
Thank you for the excellent summation of every US propaganda talking point from a guy who runs a site called “American greatness”. See the problem with American and Americans is they think like that. What you should do is go read some Russian analysis and even social media where there’s actual and real criticism of various things the Russian government has done. They’re serious. Patriotic but serious. As opposed to the trash you asked us to read which is just an idealistic fairy tale of the type that Americans lap up like kittens at a saucer full of milk. And that’s why the US has been failing miserably at everything for two decades: bullshit like that link is taken as serious analysis.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 30 2022 1:37 utc | 126

Posted by: S | Sep 29 2022 23:41 utc | 122
Thank you!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 30 2022 1:42 utc | 128

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 30 2022 1:43 utc | 160

Idiots are the same the world over. You for example.

Also Mutha*ucker:

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 23:06 utc | 106
Ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies. So not only are you crude, you are stupid. Makes for a pretty toxic combination in humans. But you are not human either, are you?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 1:48 utc | 130

Posted by: S | Sep 29 2022 22:47 utc | 96

Interestingly, the entire Zaporozhye oblast has been recognized as an independent state, although the referendum was only held on Russia-controlled territory.

This is exactly what NATO did in Yugoslavia. They recognized Croatia and Bosnia long before they were de facto independent or controlled their own territory.

Putin has signed decrees recognizing Zaporozhye oblast and Kherson oblast as independent states. These are now independent states recognized by a UN and UNSC member⁠.

The Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics were de facto independent for eight years before Wikipedia even included them on their list of unrecognized states.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Sep 30 2022 1:54 utc | 132

@Muthaucker (too many posts to count)
Mathematics and physics reflect that truths exist only in closed but incomplete simplistic systems of limited applicability. And we know that all anyone can be certain of is that they exist in some form, while successful physics models make it practically certain that if there are minds that exists in a non-virtual form, that their form is almost certainly utterly different from how they imagine themselves to be.
So, where does your certaintiy arise? Your “truths”? What makes you imagine that your “truths” are better than those of others? Do you believe that your “truths” apply to anyone else? Why?
For some hints before responding, you might glance at my monograph On Truth and Models and consider the fact that Putin while an intelligent, articulate, supremely competent representative who is very well regarded by the vast majority of Russians (and many other people), is not a dictator, nor does he represent an oligarchy. So ascribing to him the decisions of many (among them, the Russian Parliament, Security Council and military leadership) is inappropriate, no matter how overpowering your beliefs (usually the assignment of a truth value in the face of compelling
confounding intersubjectively verifiable evidence, or occasionally the
assignment of a truth value in the absence of sufficient intersubjectively
verifiable supporting evidence). You might also cogitate (if you can) the fact that the Ukraine, incited, trained, financed and supplied by the US and it’s hegemony, has proved utterly incapable to prevent Russia from doing whatever it likes, despite taking in excess of 100,000 casualties, drained Europe, and to some extent the USA of available weapons, collapsed it’s economy and still been forced to withdraw, even though Russia has used under 150,000 (of it’s 25 million reserves) military personnel, used less supplies than it’s current military production (while still not on a war footing), taken under 10,000 casualties, and grown it’s economy, all while defending the Russian speaking people of the Donetsk River Basin from US inspired Ukrainian belligerency that had killed (according to European observers), over 14,000 before the shelling was increased in February in anticipation of the Ukraine invading the autonomous regions. You might also note that the US, which hasn’t defeated anyone since Spain, despite causing millions of deaths, and trillions in damage, no longer has a path to defeat Russia or China, singly or jointly, unless you are delusional enough to imagine that if the last living human crouching in a shelter to die is an American, that this comprises a victory of some sort. Neither, in the midst of a collapsing biosphere and internal collapse does the US posses the economic or technical prowess to reverse this transition. Time to learn how to adapt to a multipolar planet, lest some fool destroy it for everyone.
PS The only thing in which the USA is “great” is coming last.

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 30 2022 2:00 utc | 134

Whoops. Looks like someone’s power went out or had computer/phone privileges taken away for the night.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 30 2022 2:10 utc | 136

@Muthaucker
You come into this forum of many smart and observant people as a nobody, spam opinions that are tolerated but unwelcome, call people brainwashed and “bootlickers,” and then whine about ad hominem attacks when you’re served in turn — then top it off by calling me not human? Fuck you.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 30 2022 2:13 utc | 138

Posted by: Lex | Sep 30 2022 2:00 utc | 167

Jesus, I apologize for interacting with the king troll …

Actually, I’m disappointed by the quality of trolling we’re seeing on MoA lately.
There used to be some real pros coming on but recently MI6 has only been offering us dry drunks from their street hobo recruiting drive:
Mutha*ucker, TomUK and Jack being the latest disability hires.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 2:18 utc | 140

Hello Down South @ 1
“Threat of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine is very high, strikes likely to target locations along front lines where large numbers of personnel and equipment are stationed, as well as important command centers and critical infrastructure – Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine.”
The mad West-Ukrainians are trying to find a story for where their huge military force used in the great West-Ukrainian offensive (east of Kharkov) went.
How did it suddenly disappear?
Oh look; it all got zapped in a nuclear explosion.
The truth is that there was no great West-Ukrainian force that went on the offensive, only a small force.
No one can even give an estimate of how many tanks were involved in this supposed great West-Ukrainian offensive.
What happened is the East-Ukrainians and Russians were ordered to withdraw and the West-Ukrainians moved in.
This is exactly what happened at Kursk in the battle of Prokhorovka (the Greatest Tank Battle there never was). Read about it here;
preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1174
It is the second topic down on the page.

Posted by: Messenger | Sep 30 2022 2:20 utc | 142

From the “tinyurl” article:

For Putin’s forces to have a chance in effectively using WMDs against Ukrainian targets, though, Russia would need to attack Western targets in space, cyberspace, and across the electromagnetic (EM) spectrum. [emphasis mine]

Meanwhile, he will insidiously attempt to divorce Europe from the United States (and therefore from Ukraine) by effectively freezing Europeans out this winter.

Otherwise probably not worth reading even for some laughs

Posted by: Proteiros | Sep 30 2022 2:24 utc | 144

@James 101
@Muthaucker 102
The US has been operating many of it’s tractors on recycled Russian weapons grade material bought by the USA as part of the “Megatons to MegaWatts deal” of 1993.
Which not only means that the US almost certainly has material available to carry out a false flag attack but that Muthaucker is wrong about this (too).

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 30 2022 2:32 utc | 146

Zet.129. OMG. USSR. 1982. Software. Trojan Horse. Which type of wood did they use? Siberian birch?

Posted by: Johannes Herbst | Sep 30 2022 2:44 utc | 148

but recently MI6 has only been offering us dry drunks from their street hobo recruiting drive:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 2:18 utc | 171 (all the other similar comments)
Like, umm, you do realize these posters are not from a paid intel service/pr firm troll farm, right?
You do know this don’t you? and you’re only playing games with them, yes? Gee I hope so. I assure you know one like MI6 or US/Nato PsyOps team or PR marketing operation would be bothered in this kind of site.
These people are merely people like yourselves but who see the whole conflict differently… iow they believe the long term media/political narratives over the years for all kinds of different reasons.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 2:45 utc | 150

Can anyone give information on how big a deal it is, if it is even possible, to repair the damaged pipeline? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: rjb | Sep 30 2022 2:49 utc | 152

Muthaucker@all posts
Seriously, I have just read the last 30 posts of yours and you were happy not being labelled a troll? Most of your strawman arguments are exactly that, especially to us older folks who actually LIVED during the “cold war” because if a Russian speaker made a presentation to university or college students, the RCMP quickly followed with “propagandized” speeches about the “lies” coming from all Russians…Makes me laugh when I read your obviously “propagandized” statements.

Posted by: Arcticman | Sep 30 2022 2:51 utc | 154

About the trolls:
DONT FEED THEM
On that note… there is an erudite discussion on A son of the new american revolution. Helmholtz Smith writes “ARE THEY AS STUPID AS THEY LOOK?”
This was written before the USA sabotaged the NS1 and NS2 gas supply to Germany and other states downstream. So far the winner appears to be Turkstream but I suspect that will soon be remedied.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 2:58 utc | 156

1. Several comments here mention the flight of young men from Russia; western media make big news of it. My thinking is that those men will one day regret their decision, and their return to Russia will be very difficult.
2. Tom Pfotzer@ 32
Astute analysis. Clear breakdown. Thanks
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 2:36 utc |
I agree with aristodemos, very well done by Tom Pfotzer @32 – I have commented in the past in MoA and on Col. Lang’s blog (before I got banned) about the importance of who controls media and I compared media to the nervous system of a human (or an animal) – nerves control everything – with relatively low energy, and relatively tiny space requirement. The stupid muscles work, the stupid bones carry the weight, the stupid skin protects the body, and the whole organism may be under the control of a sick brain, just think about it…

Posted by: fanto | Sep 30 2022 3:01 utc | 158

Well fuck me. We have another shootout at the ok corral here with all of our friends who post. I don’t know where to begin. Maybe find common ground or go somewhere else? Thanks b.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 30 2022 3:05 utc | 160

Big Serge muses that the war has just begun.

In all, it is clear that we are currently in the transitional period towards a new phase of the war, with higher Russian force deployment, expanded rules of engagement, and greater intensity looming. Season 2 of the Special Military Operation looms, and with it the Winter of Yuri:

Here is a solid consideration of the current state of affairs. I guess it will change promptly.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 3:11 utc | 162

Many here have expressed frustration at Russia’s refusal to fully attack Ukraine.
But what if Russia can see that the Re-Nazification of Ukraine is only a trial run for the Re-Nazification of other European countries, including Germany and even including Russia itself.
Nazification is created by political and financial corruption combined with the introduction of scapegoats and racist ideologies. The removal of hope , and the provision of a false entity to blame.
So even if Russia was to defeat Ukraine , the cancer of fascism is already being created by the WEF, the US puppets in power, and now the destruction of NS 1 and 2. Russia does not want to be a busy fool, so busy with killing the nazi zombies that they fail to prevent the re-infestation of Nazism by USUKIS in its other neighbours, and its own population.
Russia is a Nazism survivor. She is entitled to proceed with greater hindsight of USUKIS Great Game intentions than us post war baby boomers who have never seen Nazism nor the various psyops that created it in the distant past.
Imho, the sad reality is that The destruction of Nordstream is one of those psyops that is intended to create despair and panic in the Teutonic populations.
If I was in charge in Germany , I would be buying large quantities of coal and paraffin, to break the Green taboos.
Better to be smelly, smokey and sane , than saintly, green but Nazi-insane. Protestantism doesn’t lend itself easily to abandoning of high principles. Time for a change of religion?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 3:27 utc | 164

> About 60,000 of the allegedly about 90,000 who fled returned after they understood that they were not affected at all!!!
Do you understand how wildly implausible this sounds?

Posted by: Skeptic | Sep 30 2022 3:32 utc | 166

It’s endlessly funny that people here whine about trolls when this comment section used to be chock-full of folks chanting “slow is best” and “Kyiv was a feint” and gushing about how Russia had invented a New Form of Warfare (TM) in which things like “seizing the initiative” and “encircling the enemy” and even “moving forward” were brilliantly discarded in favor of dozens of daily RIF sorties that would all get repelled, supported by an “overwhelming artillery advantage” that in reality only existed for the first 6 weeks of the summer.
Go check out the archives and the types of predictions that b and commenters were making throughout the entire course of this conflict. Your average guy who skims MSM headlines for 2 minutes per day knew that Russia was performing poorly and that Ukraine would go on the offensive in the late summer / early fall. People here, led by b, thought that was laughable idiocy: they actually believed in the “Clobber List” and any other propaganda that Russia pumped out, implicitly and completely. All going according to the genius Shoigu’s master plan. Who’s the real troll?

Posted by: Yenwoda | Sep 30 2022 3:34 utc | 168

Looks like b removed my comment on his tolerance of trolls.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 30 2022 3:35 utc | 170

After the audacious sabotage of the Nordstream 1 and Nordstream 2 gas lines, a false flag nuclear event staged by the US in Ukraine does not seem inconceivable. The Empire is getting really desperate and doesn’t care who gets hurt.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 30 2022 3:39 utc | 172

Hermit @166
Excellent observations, but please do consider the reader felicity inherent in the use of paragraphs. With today’s fast-paced whirl of a world, writing style is increasingly vital in getting through to the majority of your audience.
As a retired independent journalist, I had to correct myself on innumerable occasions.
So give it a try. Even if the flow of thoughts will to ramble on and on throughout a presentation, a bit of self-editing can improve the production.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 3:42 utc | 174

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 3:40 utc | 213

Umm, I know because it’s so bloody obvious!

Nothing’s “bloody obvious”, Sean. Your religious faith in your own perception of reality is commendable though.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 3:43 utc | 176

@WJ | Sep 30 2022 3:35 utc | 209
Yes, a good observation of what is. Russia and Putin has done the same, especially in regard the NS2 pipelines project the last decade. Sure they pushed back a bit in Syria and Libya, that was a shift but hardly earth shattering or confrontational. Today is a much bigger step up.
I do not hold out much hope with them going it alone as they are. But kudos to Putin et al for having a go.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 3:49 utc | 178

Posted by: Rob | Sep 30 2022 3:39 utc | 212

After the audacious sabotage of the Nordstream 1 and Nordstream 2 gas lines,

“Audacious” is the wrong word here. The USA controls the horizontal and the vertical in the Baltic Sea

a false flag nuclear event staged by the US in Ukraine does not seem inconceivable.

The problem with the “nuclear false flag” line of thinking is that it leads nowhere and doesn’t even pass Occam’s razor.
Assuming rational actors on both sides, what happens after a nuclear false flag?
Scenario #1:
1. Russia is blamed, with poorly falsified evidence.
2. Russia denies responsibility and assures it’s allies it was not responsibility.
3. Russia’s allies take it’s word for it.
4. More sanctions are enacted by Russia’s enemies.
5. Russia’s enemies continue being enemies.
6. Game over. Play gain.
Scenario #2
1. Russia is blamed, with poorly falsified evidence.
2. Russia denies responsibility and assures it’s allies it was not responsibility.
3. Russia’s allies take it’s word for it.
4. Russia’s enemies conduct a nuclear ‘retaliatory’ strike on Russia.
5. Russia nukes all it’s enemies
6. Russia’s enemies are all dead (including Russia and everyone else as well).
7. Game over. For everyone
Scenario #3
1. Russia is blamed, with poorly falsified evidence.
2. Russia denies responsibility and assures it’s allies it was not responsibility.
3. Russia’s allies DO NOT take it’s word for it.
4. The entire globe sanctions, embargoes and isolates Russia
5. Global collapse ensues due to skyrocketing fuel prices, geopolitical blocs crumble as Russia’s centrality to Central Asian stability is removed, global destabilisation ensues at a rapid pace.
6. The USA decides to provoke Russia further under conditions of siege and, naturally, oversteps the line (with either nuclear or conventional attack on Russia)
7. Russia nukes the USA
8. Russia’s enemies are all dead (perhaps including Russia and everyone else as well).
9. Game over. For everyone
Scenario #4
1. Russia is blamed, with poorly falsified evidence.
2. Russia denies responsibility and assures it’s allies it was not responsibility.
3. Russia’s allies are apathetic as usual.
4. Russia’s enemies remain it’s enemies, as usual
5. Nothing happens other than more useless sanctions
6. Ukraine is left to recover from a nuking by it’s own allies and has a chance to revisit it’s career decisions …
7. Game over. For Ukraine
A false flag doesn’t lead anywhere a direct attack on Russia itself won’t take the US.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 30 2022 3:58 utc | 180

How does a person fight crap like this when people they know say, “Why would Forbes lie?” I mean this is very polished, has specific days and numbers of aircraft supposedly shot down. No wonder people think a person has 3 heads when they say, “Actually, the AFU is the military being bleed white.” They think you are totally crazy and generally politely don’t reply to anything a person posts on the subject.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-air-defenses-mauled-a-russian-fighter-regiment-shooting-down-a-quarter-of-its-crews/ar-AA12omK2?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=9d6e24e4bf5f43a1b4a0b3b0c8e50f4e

Posted by: DakotaRog | Sep 30 2022 4:00 utc | 182

@ WJ 209
Germany will do anything the US says …
My mother’s family come from a Calvinist Huguenot tradition. Very good at accepting everything that happens as God’s Will.
And I am now in a Sunni Muslim tradition from Kurdistan which is ten times more willing to accept everything as God’s Will as I instinctively am.
But what I notice about Kurdish Muslims is they never get stuck on what happens, they just call America a pimp and move on.
Germans should not hold grievances against USUKIS for destroying their winter warmth and economy. Don’t blame God for the works of the three Satan’s. Kaida shaitana dha’eefa / the devil’s plan is weak.
Germany should acknowledge Biden’s imperial destruction of their energy pipeline and embrace the alternative global authority of the SCO. The Kurds who export oil to USUKIS have to pay $200 for a barrel of paraffin.
Usukus isn’t God. Get a life with the other .side

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 30 2022 4:03 utc | 184

Hankster@221
Seeing you have brought up the subject, have you done the essential research on the actual numbers of the “Refuseniks”?
My supposition is that these young men are the archetypes of what in America are sub-urbanite spoiled brats who grew up in very “comfortable” bourgeois households of the nouveau-riche.
IMO, the actual percentage of the age-group which has absconded from their Motherland is far less than one-percent. So the logical conclusion is that this tempest in a teapot is a concoction of MI6/CIA and their various owned “journalists” (aka Pre$$titute$).

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 4:08 utc | 186

have become the Oracle of Delphi … you are too kind @aristodemos
And really over-egging the custard! You know what they say about the “eye of the beholder” yeah?

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 4:11 utc | 188

Re the USA terrorist sabotage of the gas pipelines – my guess is that Russia will cap them where they can and let the future sort it out.
Meanwhile I imagine the Baltic Sea will be calmer if the dumb warmongering USA has reduced cause to be there. I will believe that when I see it :/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 4:18 utc | 190

Sean Gold @218
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 30 2022 4:01 utc | 223
Are you talking to me? If so I have no idea what you are talking about. AU stands for Australia btw. Is it really not obvious “whose/what” side I am on? That’s unexpected.
Does this comment help?
nord stream 2 post wiki info history
Well, cry me a river. Did they imagine they were the cat or something?
Posted by: SeanAU | September 29, 2022 at 14:19
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/whodunnit-facts-related-to-the-sabotage-attack-on-the-nord-stream-pipelines.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02a30d4f248a200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02a30d4f248a200b
or?
Posted by: SeanAU | September 25, 2022 at 01:59
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/rekindling-its-iraq-wmd-fiasco-the-new-york-times-is-back-at-printing-officials-said.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02a2eed74d75200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02a2eed74d75200d
PLUS Global Security Initiative
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjb_663304/zwjg_665342/zwbd_665378/202205/t20220506_10682639.html
188 nations did not support Russia’s position on Ukraine on a General Assembly Resolution in March. Only 4 did. ~35 of the 188 Abstained – took the 5th – laid down.
Note the SCO is not a security/defense treaty body, but the smaller CSTO is.
Posted by: SeanAU | September 29, 2022 at 09:11
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-open-thread-2022-160.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02a30d4f1d25200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02a30d4f1d25200b
I really like and respect Putin – because I have been reading listening to his speeches and press conferences verbatim for two decades. I have always ignored the twisted media/politician/think tank MIS-interpretations and manipulations of his words and meanings, unlike 99% of the planet who do not have a clue. I did the same with OBLs video messages and interviews.
I trust me. Who do you trust?

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 4:27 utc | 192

@Muthaucker 187
“Tractor” was how Google “korekted” “reactor”. When I saw it just after posting, I did not bother to make anther post correcting it, bothin part because I preferred not to contribute more to the flood than I already had, but also because I know that the people on MoA are smart and experienced enough to unscramble glitches like that for themselves. I apologize for severely overestimating you.

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 30 2022 4:34 utc | 194

I would like to quote John Belushi in “Animal House”. “You fucked up, you trusted us.” That actually sums up American foreign policy. Cheers.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 30 2022 4:42 utc | 196

@Tim Lynch | Sep 30 2022 4:36 utc | 235
Maybe. Maybe not. Nothing is a certainty. We’ll see.

Posted by: SeanAU | Sep 30 2022 4:44 utc | 198

uncle tungsten | Sep 30 2022 2:58 utc | 192
“………winner appears to be Turkstream but I suspect that will soon be remedied
Prescient are you.
Turkstream just had its certification cancelled.
🤡🤡🤡😂👏

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 30 2022 4:53 utc | 200