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September 29, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-161

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Posted by b on September 29, 2022 at 17:26 UTC | Permalink

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This “warning” was oddly specific. Could be the false flag we’ve all been waiting for.

Threat of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine is very high, strikes likely to target locations along front lines where large numbers of personnel and equipment are stationed, as well as important command centers and critical infrastructure - Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine.

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/5872

Could explain why all these EU countries are calling their citizens back from Russia

Posted by: Down South | Sep 29 2022 17:45 utc | 1

@Down South | Sep 29 2022 17:45 utc | 1

Post the full quote when you try to pretend to be smart:

"(...) To stop them, we need not only anti-aircraft, but also anti-missile systems, - said the representative of the Main Intelligence Directorate V. Skibitsky"

Now laugh

Posted by: rk | Sep 29 2022 18:08 utc | 2

How is it possible that the Western public opinion, media, universities, politicians, masses and intellectuals act so unanimously?

How is it possible that so many countries are so strictly controlled?
I think, Stalin could not have dreamed about this level of social control and brain washing.

How is this control implemented?

Posted by: marko | Sep 29 2022 18:36 utc | 3

Marko-6: I think that over time there has been a kind of conditioning and indoctrination, which goes hand in hand with the whole Mass Formation Psychosis biznuss. Add to that mass corruption, bribery and even blackmail. Notice how many so called leaders went to “WEF summer camp”? As for myself I became aware that something was fishy around the year 2000 and have been building composite models ever since…..

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 29 2022 18:41 utc | 4

Has there been anybody in the German press pointed the gunfire for the pipeline attacks on the US? Perhaps a German speaker could fill us in on the general vibe as to bone in Germany right now? I keep thinking that if the German public goes along with the ridiculous accusation that Russia did this I will have to reevaluate my general regard for German people as being mostly intelligent rational thinkers. I was already starting to reevaluate this cliche because so many Germans are going along with the “Russia invaded without provocation” nonsense, and of course Germany's arming of the openly Nazi forces in Ukraine.

Posted by: James C | Sep 29 2022 18:42 utc | 5

Sorry for the spelling! I thought I hit preview but hit post on accident :(

Posted by: James C | Sep 29 2022 18:43 utc | 6

How is this control implemented?

Here is an example from Germany. A leaked government document shows how many non-public contacts are made to feed bullshit to major journalists. They call it "fight against Russian desinformation".

Use Google or Deepl to get an English translation:

https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=88618

Posted by: b | Sep 29 2022 18:44 utc | 7

@ number 3:
Media estate controlled brain washing 24/7 for let’s say the last (I was going to say 75 years)…250 years at least!!!

Posted by: Donostiarra | Sep 29 2022 18:46 utc | 8

Called my family member in Germany to ask him WTF is going on. How can they let the pipeline be blown up?

He responded something crazy. Said these Germans are sooo scared of being out of gas is pathetic. Also said the German governmeny is full of pro Russian infiltrators.

I was shocked. My own blood is completely and utterly brainwashed. Hes not German btw. An immigrant.

I responded by saying the pipeline was most likely blown by anti Russians. He changed the subject.

Crazy shit going on in the West.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 29 2022 18:48 utc | 9

Perhaps I am being naive but the NS1&2 sabotage is not being effectively spun to deflect the blame from the most likely suspect, the USA. It just is not plausible. It does not matter if the USA offers to “help” investigate it. It matters not that Sikorski took down his tweet. The memes are flowing fast and free at the speed of the interwebz. You cannot convince the masses of calling everything that does not fit the proscribed narrative as ‘conspiracy theory’ ‘Russia disinformation’ or the ravings of a lunatic. It doesn’t wash and over time it builds momentum. 20 years later you can out the critical thinker with a simple “Building 7”??

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 29 2022 18:49 utc | 10

How is this control implemented?

How many reporters are actually reporting from the field these days? How many western reporters are in Russia ... how many speak Russian? How many in DPR / LPR outside of Eva Bartlett?

When your "war reporters" are in a hotel bar in Kiev and you base your stories on USA / UK and Ukraine government briefings you're going to all get the same story aren't you?

Posted by: dave_k | Sep 29 2022 18:52 utc | 11

My point was the lemmings in the West have no reaction to the pipelines being blown up. Its like they just shrug and keep on grazing the fields waiting for the next instruction from the shepherds.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 29 2022 18:52 utc | 12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U1HhA4z9DA
A.Mercorious says that there is a significant number of Russian soldiers who do not want to continue their contracts.
There is no patriotic wave in Russia.
On teh other hand, Ukrainians are ready, almost eager, to die for Zelensky, USA and UK.

Posted by: marko | Sep 29 2022 18:59 utc | 13

"I think that over time there has been a kind of conditioning and indoctrination, which goes hand in hand with the whole Mass Formation Psychosis biznuss"

What is "Mass Formation Psychosis biznuss"?

Posted by: marko | Sep 29 2022 19:01 utc | 14

How is it possible that the Western public opinion, media, universities, politicians, masses and intellectuals act so unanimously?

How is it possible that so many countries are so strictly controlled?
I think, Stalin could not have dreamed about this level of social control and brain washing.

How is this control implemented?

Posted by: marko | Sep 29 2022 18:36 utc | 3

Two reasons.

One: propaganda techniques and technologies are far more sophisticated now. You cant even call it propaganda anymore, its more like programming i.e. writing code.

Two: education. Most of the people in the west ages <40 (approx.) have been through a school where the measure of oneself is divorced from one’s abilities but not from one’s expectations. This is because of the “positive” (or constructivist) principles of education where knowledge transfer is optimized by abusing the feeling of self-esteem as a door opener. And not on building confidence by actual performance or by learning through failure and success. Such people cant admit they were wrong, there are no failures, ergo there is no responsibility.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 29 2022 19:02 utc | 15

Posted by: marko | Sep 29 2022 18:59 utc | 13

Some are getting paid 1000 or so a day. Some are fanatic nationalists on top of that.

Its the same as why mafia criminals are more motivated than law and order officers. Money, status, disregard for the other.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 29 2022 19:07 utc | 16

>> Marko-6: I think that over time there
>> has been a kind of conditioning and indoctrination

I've known humans "terribly disappointed with our media" who with their next breath reject reading blogs I suggest, because "they're the same thing but from the other side". They further rejected the possibilities that: (a) my blogroll might actually be independent / objective or (b) even if they represent the other side, perhaps we jurors in the court of public opinion must nevertheless listen.

It's disheartening to observe this intentional ignorance. But, it's there.

The so-called "democratic" world is filled with stupid people who keep voting for a new set of assholes, as though that will change anything.

Posted by: dfg | Sep 29 2022 19:08 utc | 17

Exercises on rapid evacuation in the event of a threat of nuclear strikes or man-made disasters are already underway in Poland, the Czech Republic, and the Baltic states.

Who was talking about the Caribbean crisis?
This one may be completely different, and never dreamed of.
Let the negotiations be successful.

This repost by Prilepin suggests that negotiations are taking place in Riyad.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 29 2022 19:09 utc | 18

Diana Johnstone treats western omerta and the non-mystery of the NS1&2 pipelines:

Officially, so far, no NATO government knows who dunnit. Or maybe they all know. Maybe this is like the famous Agatha Christie mystery on the Orient Express train, where suspicion falls on all the passengers, and are all guilty. And all united in Omerta. [more]

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Sep 29 2022 19:11 utc | 19

Forgot the link, here it is.

https://t.me/zakharprilepin/14949

Posted by: Paco | Sep 29 2022 19:11 utc | 20

Two: education. Most of the people in the west ages <40 (approx.) have been through a school where the measure of oneself is divorced from one’s abilities but not from one’s expectations. This is because of the “positive” (or constructivist) principles of education where knowledge transfer is optimized by abusing the feeling of self-esteem as a door opener. And not on building confidence by actual performance or by learning through failure and success. Such people cant admit they were wrong, there are no failures, ergo there is no responsibility.
Posted by: alek_a | Sep 29 2022 19:02 utc | 15

Can anybody explain the stuff bellow a bit more?

>This is because of the “positive” (or constructivist) principles of education where knowledge transfer is optimized by abusing the feeling of self-esteem as a door opener.

Posted by: marko | Sep 29 2022 19:12 utc | 21

Marko | 13

At what time does Mercouris discuss Russia troop contracts in that video?

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 29 2022 19:13 utc | 22

Eugyppius's substack, from Germany, has been quite explicit in blaming the U.S.

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 29 2022 19:17 utc | 23

James C. [5]

Germany are not rational. You are completely adrift of reality. They are masters of Groupthink and Gleichschaltung.

Marko [13]

Mercouris Staates the obvious. US was so short of troops for Afghanistan and even Iraq it resorted to Stop-Loss Orders which is why recruitment has collapsed

Why do people think soldiers are powered by propaganda ? Ukies are not motivated to be destroyed in artillery barrages so do not spout such tripe

Soldiers do not like war unless they are psychotic

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Sep 29 2022 19:18 utc | 24

All of you, the so said "Marko" is playing with you.

He's going to ask question after question and make the thread go by where he want i.e. "Russia weak", going to use nuke, have to kill all ukrainians, russsians flying from home to avoid mobilization, and other stuff...

He has been doing so for several days in all the threads here...

Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 29 2022 19:19 utc | 25

More propaganda from Us puppets:

Robert Habeck: "The energy crisis we are in threatens to turn into an economic and social one. A shield of measures is able to repel the Putin regime's attack on our economy. The decisions of recent years have given Putin too much power over us"

Posted by: rk | Sep 29 2022 19:21 utc | 26

@Marko

Never heard of Cultural Marxism? The Frankfurter Schule? Lukács and Gramsci ? Habermas? Adorno? Marcuse?

Posted by: Piet Fluwijn | Sep 29 2022 19:22 utc | 27

Posted by: marko | Sep 29 2022 19:12 utc | 21

It boils down to this: when you want to teach someone something, you first must make that someone susceptible to learning i.e. open the door. Because learning new stuff needs effort and it is painful mentally. By screaming and yelling you cant do that. You aggravate yourself while the other closes up. So no negative messages. You package the message in a way that the student believes it comes naturally, on top of already existing knowledge (i.e. constructively). Or, more often with young ones, you play the “bucket” where one effort-needing message gets dropped with 3-4 self-esteem messages. This is basic communication stuff, package criticism with praise so that it gets through (smart people of course see through this).

This is all good on paper. But in reality what happens is that students become addicted to the feeling of positivity. They are not learning the “hard way” and building confidence through achievement but rely on good neuro chemicals to even attempt anything hard. And there has to be reward in terms if praise. Such people were failures in the past but nowadays everyone is like that, so they form precious circles and invent stuff to get by. They relativise success. Incompetence rules but most of all, there is no acknowledgement of failure anymore since failure is bad chemicals in the brain.

Case-in-point: Liz Truss.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 29 2022 19:32 utc | 28

I miss some analysis of the RUS/UKR front lines on this website.

Posted by: Phil | Sep 29 2022 19:36 utc | 29

Anatoly Antonov the Russian ambassador to the U.S., in a recent article published in the National Review lays out clearly and logically the dangerous irresponsible policies of the US government that are causing so much havoc in the world and are now threatening world peace and security.

I believe that any American will see eye-to-eye with me that we must not allow the explosive situation of the 1960s to repeat. It is important that not only Russia and the United States, but also other nuclear states, confirmed in a common statement that a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/cuban-missile-crisis-20-over-ukraine-205077

The problem is that it’s impossible to you talk common sense and logic to an insane adversary that hates you. There’s a saying, “Nice guys always finish last”. Russia needs to step up its rhetoric with its enemies in the west and stop being logical and polite in their dealings with these crazies.

Posted by: Krypton | Sep 29 2022 19:36 utc | 30

Sorry “The National Interest”. not the National Review.

Posted by: Krypton | Sep 29 2022 19:39 utc | 31

@3 Marko: How is it that public opinion is molded so effectively?

Well, it took a long time to accomplish, but it centers on three really key things:

a. Control of the media. Smart people know that one of the best ways to become powerful is to own a media outlet. One way to keep the media outlet you acquired is to toe the prevailing political line. So they do. Deep state (e.g. the powerful people who pull the strings) plug their people into the media outlets, and use them as conduits to get their message out. It's very effective.


b. Control of politicians. That means being able to control who gets to play, and what they have to agree to (abide by) in order to play. Control of politics is mainly accomplished by controlling the party structure, and controlling the money-flow (before in office, contributions to campaigns, and after in office - chances to make big $ by making the right "choices"). This is the function of so-called "political parties". They run the pay-to-play game, along with their friends and accomplices in the lobbying business.

c. Control of money. That includes the money supply, and the main cash generators of the economy

All this takes time - decades - to pull it all together. Money, control of gov't (the politicians) and control of what people think. You start with one and acquire the others over time.

And that's the main reason, to pick just one example, that Israel-supporters have so much pull in the U.S. They have a great deal of media influence - which can be traded for favors, or used to turf-out politicians that don't go along with the program - and they have a lot of money. And they use both adroitly.

You can see this most clearly whenever there's a vote in the U.S. Congress that materially affects Israel. Congress will only unanimously agree on two things: whatever DoD wants, and whatever Israel wants. All else is hotly contested.

That combination of money, media control, and politician-control is a potent mix. That's the main reason that the NeoCons can get away with the outrages they visit upon the world. They really do control the main levers of the system.

And this, of course, infuriates all the rest of us red-blooded Americans that actually want our country to do good things. But we're currently out-gunned because we're not organized, and we've not put in the decades of patient work necessary to seize control of the machinery.

And while these adroit power-acquirers were busy trashing the U.S., they went to work on Europe, as well. That's what we're seeing play out in Germany right now. It's many of the same people making the big decisions.


So, to control a country:

a. get control of the media
b. get control of the politicians via money and media control
c. get control of the money supply, so you can funnel money to the "right" people

Making people all think the same thing is pretty easy once you've got a, b, and c above sorted out.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Sep 29 2022 19:40 utc | 32

Concerning the pipeline sabotage(s)USA denials are yet to be forthcoming.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 29 2022 19:52 utc | 33

Headline in Germany!
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Russia threatens next embarrassment
Ukraine advances - front line at Lyman softens
As Russia bombs civilian targets in eastern Ukraine, Ukrainian troops continue to advance against Russian positions. Lyman could threaten the Kremlin with the next military disaster. In Russia, however, fleeing partial mobilization is also becoming an increasing problem

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 19:53 utc | 34

I will have to reevaluate my general regard for German people as being mostly intelligent rational thinkers.


Posted by: James C | Sep 29 2022 18:42 utc | 5

You're mistaken if you think it has to do with intelligence. But it has indeed to do with (ir)rationality.

The few times I posted here on MoA I dropped a few hints at psychology, but not many readers seem to be interested in this topic.
In my opinion the lethargy of the Germans as well as the whole conflict between Russia and the West can only be fully understood if the psychological side is taken into account, too.

Unfortunately I can't write more since it's late here in Germany and I have to go to work tomorrow - as long as I still have it.

Psychological knowledge is IMHO most important in these times or as the delphic oracle would have said: "Know thyself!"

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Sep 29 2022 19:55 utc | 35

I will have to reevaluate my general regard for German people as being mostly intelligent rational thinkers.


Posted by: James C | Sep 29 2022 18:42 utc | 5

You're mistaken if you think it has to do with intelligence. But it has indeed to do with (ir)rationality.

The few times I posted here on MoA I dropped a few hints at psychology, but not many readers seem to be interested in this topic.
In my opinion the lethargy of the Germans as well as the whole conflict between Russia and the West can only be fully understood if the psychological side is taken into account, too.

Unfortunately I can't write more since it's late here in Germany and I have to go to work tomorrow - as long as I still have it.

Psychological knowledge is IMHO most important in these times or as the delphic oracle would have said: "Know thyself!"

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Sep 29 2022 19:55 utc | 36

I will have to reevaluate my general regard for German people as being mostly intelligent rational thinkers.


Posted by: James C | Sep 29 2022 18:42 utc | 5

You're mistaken if you think it has to do with intelligence. But it has indeed to do with (ir)rationality.

The few times I posted here on MoA I dropped a few hints at psychology, but not many readers seem to be interested in this topic.
In my opinion the lethargy of the Germans as well as the whole conflict between Russia and the West can only be fully understood if the psychological side is taken into account, too.

Unfortunately I can't write more since it's late here in Germany and I have to go to work tomorrow - as long as I still have it.

Psychological knowledge is IMHO most important in these times or as the delphic oracle would have said: "Know thyself!"

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Sep 29 2022 19:55 utc | 37

I am learning from English speakers in Europe/America that Russia is having troubles getting men to fight. Most are fleeing. I am sure Russia will win but at what cost?

Scares me that Russia is going up against so many fierce women in Europe. I would hide behind my women as well if I was in Europe. No wonder Kadyrov has been quiet recently.

Guys, I need to go pick up my son while my wife is at work. This weekend my wife has a reunion. Get to see her old boyfriends!

Posted by: Probably Retarded | Sep 29 2022 20:07 utc | 38

A comentator on NC the other day noted that one of - if not the main - drivers of the Ukraine conflict was the Nordstream pipeline. For years now the US and its select European lackeys (Poland primarily) have been working to break thiw main connection betweeen German and Russian economic integration. Provoking Russia over Ukraine has been a means to an end. Now that the pipelines are history there may be less need to prop up and encourage the crazies in Ukraine. The US is still as fascist as ever, the Ukranian fascists are still as crazed and dangerous as ever, but they are no longer needed in the big scheme of things. From that perspective, a negotiated peace deal may now be acceptable to the US. Not to say that it will be easy or fast, making it happen will be complicated. Poland, Britain, various groups whthin the US and Ukraine all have their axes to grind, but the fate of Ukraine, the famous ¨territorial integrity¨ is no longer front and center. Russia too would probably like to have it end sooner than later, they have a number of non-negotiable conditions, but they can probably hold out for quite a while.

Assuming that the US is able to evade responsibility for the attack, two big questions remain: will the conflicts within NATO break into the open (ie Germany/Poland), and what sort of response will we see from Russia.

Posted by: c | Sep 29 2022 20:11 utc | 39

US intending to supply 200 M1A1 tanks to Ukraine. That might be interesting to watch, considering the rather poor state of energy (natural gas) infrastructure in Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2022 20:22 utc | 40

Lots of f'witted trolls today B.

For anyone with a brain looking for a thoughful, informed analysis try this

http://johnhelmer.net/

Posted by: eagle eye | Sep 29 2022 20:28 utc | 41

will the conflicts within NATO break into the open (ie Germany/Poland)
Posted by: c | Sep 29 2022 20:11 utc | 38

No, these are pure slaves with ranks between them. Ukr is above Poland which is above Germany. The lowest slave, Schlitzy, gets spanked by everyone. They truly are sausages, that statement was correct. Since Germany seems to be collapsing at high speed, things will be taken from them, one way or another. When they finish them, other natoids will be collapsed.

Posted by: rk | Sep 29 2022 20:31 utc | 42

@marko 1

Don't vest belief in lies just because they are old. Stalin was a socialist, a democrat and a much nicer person than his murderers who succeeded - and lied - about him.

Posted by: Hermit | Sep 29 2022 20:34 utc | 43

I dont see anything weird about thousands of Russian men fleeing mobilization. This haooens everywhere. Happened in Ukraine at a bigger scale and would happen 110% in the USA.

Thats expected. I do see some issues with logistics and organization in Russia. And the fact that they still have a couple of big cities which will probably fall(Liman)

That being said, this mobilization I would think is so Russia can wage months and months of war, maybe a couple of years. I believe Putin has a huge speech tomorrow. I bekieve he will promise to "liberate" the 4 Oblasts that want to be Russian and then try negotiate.

Of course NATO has other plans. I doubt they want to drag this for another year. They will continue the spiral to do crazy insane provocations and dirty plays.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 29 2022 20:35 utc | 44

LOL Russia being 1 step behind as usual, of course the US want to curb russian nuclear weapons at this stage while US themselves will not pull back any nuclear missiles from europe!

Russia and US seeking to revive key nuclear deal – Moscow

Moscow and Washington are “engaged in a dialogue” with a view to reviving the New START agreement, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told a briefing on Thursday. New START is a key nuclear arms reduction treaty that puts a cap on the number of deployed nuclear warheads, as well as their delivery vehicles.

https://swentr.site/news/563754-us-russia-nuclear-reduction-treaty/

Posted by: Zanon | Sep 29 2022 20:39 utc | 45

@marko

Maybe it's microchips in their brains? Russia has always lagged behind the West (and East now also) in microprocessors and electronics. Now that is finally catching up with them. :-)

Posted by: GoFast | Sep 29 2022 20:42 utc | 46

According to the video blog of prof. Igor Panarin Turkeye is pointing at Great Britain as being guilty of the NS1 & NS2 sabotage. Turkeye is afraid the same might happen with the Turkstream gas pipeline in the Black sea. Therefore all British passport holders are being controlled extra on entering Turkeye (of course the same happens with those who have an US passport). President Putin and president Erdogan were in contact today. The sabotage of civilian infrastructure will strengten the determination of BRICS+ leaders to oppose US hegemonism. According to Panarin the sabotage attack will for sure be answered by Russia.

Dima of Military summary expects a huge Russian offensive the coming days. The Ukranian offensive near Krasny Liman has been stalled because of too much loss of blood (+ loss of firepower) on the UAF side. According to British intel the complete powergrid of UA will be demolished: 700 fighter planes are waiting...

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Sep 29 2022 20:46 utc | 47

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun

Big Serge perceives a peaking and degradation of Ukrainian capabilities just as winter is arriving and Russian reserves are about to surge into several possible fronts.

As someone points out above, there are signs and noises that Russia may just focus on Donbass and then offer negotiations again.

Posted by: Wilbur | Sep 29 2022 20:57 utc | 48

If Russia can defend their new provinces, this marks a structural and substantive win for Russia. Pipelines can be rebuilt, but redrawing the map brings about enormous geopolitical consequences that can last for centuries [i.e. WW1]. It marks a clearly different world than what we had 6 months ago. The Empire indisputably has not won and in a fight with Hypersonic, Nuclear Russia, clearly risks its own neck if it were to make the necessary steps to achieve a win.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 29 2022 20:59 utc | 49

Comandante | Sep 29 2022 18:48 utc | 9

He responded something crazy. Said these Germans are sooo scared of being out of gas is pathetic. Also said the German governmeny is full of pro Russian infiltrators.
I was shocked. My own blood is completely and utterly brainwashed

Not brainwashed. Just chosing a self-serving bias. It's very hard to understand that you was just fooled by a "friend", more confortable to make a russian culprit.
Or a jew...
"I was brainwashed, I just obey the orders, we don't known....

A self-serving bias is any cognitive or perceptual process that is distorted by the need to maintain and enhance self-esteem, or the tendency to perceive oneself in an overly favorable manner.[1] It is the belief that individuals tend to ascribe success to their own abilities and efforts, but ascribe failure to external factors.

Posted by: Weimar | Sep 29 2022 21:00 utc | 50

A serious competitor to Russian gas to Europe is Azerbaijani and Turkmenistan gas across Anatolia.

The seriousness of US activity in this area shows they are upping the ante in this region.

Azeri attacks on Armenia and the attempted colour revolution in Iran shows they are going for broke. What will Iran’s response be?

I wonder what would it take to create a tactical nuk false flag? Strategically place some spent rod fragments, Russia drops a thermobraic and voila you’ve got your cassus belli?

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 29 2022 21:00 utc | 51

The destruction of the pipelines was more of an attack on Germans than Russians, imo.
Russians lost money and property but they will still have jobs, food and warm housing. Germans will not.
This will be the ultimate experiment in population mind control.
Can the media convince Germans that it is Russia who is responsible for their misery?
So far they seem to be doing that well. How is it possible that Germany puts sanctions on Russia, Russian imports stop, and then Russia is blamed and people believe it?
But this blatant destruction of the pipelines is a major step. The culprit is obvious, and so are the victims. It is so evil that the mind boggles. Surely they can't twist this into an anti-Russian narrative.
I also always thought of Germans as intelligent people. I will wait and see if I was right.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 29 2022 21:00 utc | 52

How come people are so brainwashed?
Off topic, but interesting examples.
Radio 4 had an assemblage of financial analyst/ reporters discussing gilts , bonds, pensions etc after the budget. The more they talked the more incomprehensible they became. That is because their only function was to obfuscate what a bunch of crooks the Tories really are.

By contrast in a recent past by Craig Murray a few succinct sentences makes it clear why the pound is now dog turd. The banker want to repeat the crash of 2007/8/9. Truss has given the green light.

My point is, how many times have we all tuned into some high- brow intellectual discussion @ bbc or Guardian, only to find we are slowly being brainwashed by music and smooth patter of neoliberal tripe.

When you start to come out in spots of lie allergy, turn it off.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 29 2022 21:03 utc | 53

wilbur@54:

Great article, latest from Big Serge
Thanks much for the link!

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 29 2022 21:04 utc | 54

Well no matter what is happening in Liman!
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Allied forces launched a devastating offensive along the entire front in the Bakhmut region, reports Izvestia correspondent Denis Kulaga.

“You can hear the multiple missile system working, also supporting cannon artillery. There, on the front line, shock troops go into battle, ”the journalist reports.
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Russia continues to hit on infrastructure facilities of Ukraine - a new explosion sounded in Nikolaev
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The next week will be interesting...!!!
The referendums are over and whoever remembers the beginning knows that Russia only marched into the Donbass AFTER recognition!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 21:09 utc | 55

Phil | Sep 29 2022 19:36 utc | 29

Not much news? This is partly because everyone is waiting for the signing ceremony which will add the four oblasts to Russia. Secondly trustworthy accounts "on site" are getting hard to find due to the cumulative effect of censorship by the west. Not many Journalists, close to the fighting except within Donetsk or similar places under shelling. (Eva Bartlett, Vanessa Beeley were/are there).

BUT; There is a start in Bakhmut. Each side holds half. But there is a report of (probably) Chechens and Wagner advancing. Expect a fuller Russian advance as the Chechens are good at urban warfare. This is the key to one of the Ukrainian defensive lines, Rail and road hub.

Recent explosions have been heard in Dniepr (3) and Odessa (Shahed drone(s). Dniepr is interesting as it has several bridges (if those were not the targets and no longer exist). Crossing point for Uke reinforcements/movements.

Kherson front, The Ukrainians are either straightening the front in expectation of a Russian offensive, or troops have been taken from there for use on the North (Liman) front. (Small retreat mentioned).

Ukies are making progress around Liman. It is a bit like in the far west where the Russians have circled the wagons and are waiting for John Wayne and the Cavalry to arrive in the nick of time. The ISW and Ukie biaised maps give a slightly different picture than that released by more pro-russian sources.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 29 2022 21:11 utc | 56

How is this control implemented?
I'll give you an example, Finland. Finland is a country of trouth, only truoth. There is no any other trouth than the only trouth.

First this trouth is planted into your brains in elementary school. Critical thinking is punished very efectively with low grades, etc.

Second, when you enter in higher degrees, this discrimination comes even more harsh. In universities your whole graduating may be jeopardized if you don't agree with the only truth when you are doing yours masters thesis.

Third, when you are finally graduated, for example journalist, you have only handful of opportunities to get the job. Circles are very small and limitted and if you want to pay your mortage you really want to tel the only truth.

If you do still resist the truth, you will end up as a drunken, bitter man in the bar of Kallio, arguing against the truth and nobody does give a shit anyway.

Amen

Posted by: Pavi | Sep 29 2022 21:17 utc | 57

Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 21:08 utc | 62

Getting your ass kicked in a conventional war outside your own borders, which you started, does not seem to meet that definition.

This is packed full of trollspeak and I dont have the patience to unpack your assumptions if you are sincere. While we can quible about the some of your other assertions, I find almost nobody on MOA believes this part of your statement, "which you started", that leads me to the conclude that you are the former.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 29 2022 21:21 utc | 58

Heavy fire in Dnepropetrovsk
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Kamikaze drones 6 "Geran-2" (Shahed-136) attack target in Nikolaev.
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In Odessa, two explosions are reported in the port area and one in the city center!
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Enemy facility in Dnepropetrovsk burns heavily
Authorities reported that 2 facilities were hit by rocket attacks
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In the Nikolaev area the electric substation burns. There are power outages in the city and region. The attacks continue on din infrastructure constant impacts.
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You see.... it is by no means the case that Ukraine is winning!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 21:21 utc | 59

Biden's goal!
No defeat message from Ukraine until his elections will not be achieved!
These elections... also the reason for the sabotage of the pipeline?
Will Biden Lose This Election?
Will a motion of no confidence follow..... so there is a real danger that Trumph will jump forward again?
You see... Biden is all or nothing or his party... Biden himself will probably not notice it !!!
But to avoid trump triumph, the system takes EVERY risk, ANY !!!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 21:26 utc | 60

Maria Zakharova's Weekly Briefing is now available in Russian. As usual, the Q&A session is very informative. Here is one that IMO is more important than others, but isn't to say that those others aren't important:

Question: Relations between Russia and the United States have been deteriorating for a long time. In particular, there were statements that diplomatic relations could be severed. What happens in this case? What are the practical consequences of such a gap?

Answer: I would not like to go into hypothetical arguments on this topic. We did not initiate the destruction of bilateral relations with the United States of America. If we talk theoretically, then we need to turn to the ideologists of this "movement", and they are in Washington. The United States, not Russia, deliberately brought down bilateral relations. They have done this in different ways over the years: endless sanctions, work aimed at severing our natural relations with many Western countries, restrictions on the work of our diplomatic missions, creating threats and obstacles to the work of Russian business, seizing buildings and structures enjoying diplomatic immunity, kidnapping Russian citizens, subjecting Russian citizens to information and political pressure, blackmailing Russian citizens, corporations, entire segments of society. In fact, relations were dismantled: visa "dirty" games, segregation, interference in internal affairs.

The United States has declared the goal of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia in Ukraine, which actually turns itself into a party to the conflict. I don't know what they have left to do. To announce the severance of diplomatic relations? I don't know how deep they intend to go in their "destructiveness."

We have commented on this topic many times. I won't repeat myself. All assessments of the Russian leadership (the country, foreign policy and other departments) are relevant.

Neither initially nor recently – we have never initiated anything that would hit bilateral relations. They reacted exclusively to unfriendly actions, and in many cases without the wild anger that filled the actions of the United States. They responded neutrally, unemotionally, so that the blow did not fall on citizens, civil society, and the public.

We saw how the United States acted, which simply trampled bilateral relations in a lively way.

And this one on the act of terrorism:

Question: First Deputy Head of the International Committee of the Federation Council, FSB General Vladimir Dzhabarov said that if the investigation of the situation on the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines confirms the US involvement in the explosions, then "the situation may change dramatically." What is the current situation on the Nord Stream branches where the accidents occurred? If it is confirmed that the cause of the incident is precisely targeted sabotage, what actions can Moscow take?

A: The situation has already changed. Calls to stop the activities of Nord Stream, which is an object of civilian infrastructure, intimidation of people serving or participating in the project, promises to "finish" the project – is this not enough?

What westerners did to George Assange just because he published authentic documents and analyzed them, wrote articles. They said that he is a national threat to the United States, etc. Here we observe direct incitement. You don't have to be a lawyer. You just need to be able to translate three phrases from English and read them in any language. A direct threat to the existence of a civilian infrastructure facility, on which the largest economies of the continent are tied, and the disruption of the functioning of which can lead (which is now happening) colossal environmental problems. This was done by the first persons of America: the president and representatives of the state apparatus, including the US State Department. And how many information materials have been ordered, planted, prepared for this purpose over all these years – it is impossible to count. Isn't that enough to understand who we are dealing with and really assess the relationship with this administration, with this regime? Everything changed a long time ago.

In this case, it is a question of finding the perpetrators and punishing, if it is reliably established that this is a deliberate subversion. You have already seen the wording of our law enforcement agencies. They use the term "international terrorism". You can check with them for yourself.

We're not just interested. We are one of the owners of these projects and the owner of the supplied resources.

You can contact the Russian company PJSC Gazprom for comments and clarify what losses we incur. A large number of materials were published on how Russia invested in this project, how much we have suffered due to the destructive actions of the Us administration. There was no doubt about it. We've known who we're dealing with for a long time.

Now the implementation of destructive plans begins, which the American leadership announced and promised to bring them to an end.

Now we see this in practice.

There are some real gems besides the two above. This is an excerpt from one of her answers:

"We consider this world order based on American rules immoral. Not just illegal, but immoral. If we were talking about a country, a state or a regime that would show its best qualities for the benefit of the world, perhaps one could also think about it. And they failed that "mission." They can only destroy, destabilize, do it on the basis of provocations, frame everyone, push and engage in staged acts. We will react to their such moves, when they speak from a position not even of strength (they always say that Washington is acting from a position of strength – and this is not true), but from a position of boorishness."

IMO, this Q&A provides some excellent food for discussion. I'll copy/paste the machine translation to my VK wall so it can be read by those unable to read Russian or provide themselves with a translation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 21:26 utc | 61

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 29 2022 21:21 utc | 66

stap

they dont wouldnt even understand what geopolitics is even if you gave them novels about that, trolls live under bridges, those guys just b****s

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 29 2022 21:34 utc | 62

However many millions of roubles of gas were released by the USUKIS sabotage of Gazprom pipelines, the US has now been found guilty of carrying out its frequent threats against the Nordstream pipelines.

Menacing threats prevent the victim from protesting too loudly against the bully. But after the bully has blown their cover, and the entire world has witnessed their physical presence at the crime scene, USUKIS can now be ignored , firmly placed in the bad corner.

Biden acting on his threat to use his capability to destroy Nordstream was a very stupid thing to do diplomstically. When reminded of their war crime, USUKIS can only give a rictus grin of the dead corpse, and scuttle back home.

The onev thing you never do when committing war crimes is get caught red-handed, as they were in Iraq. Biden is now in a position of disgrace and humiliation.
It seems as though he has fallen for the bait hook line and sinker.
Born and bred in the briar-patch, Brer Biden.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 29 2022 21:36 utc | 63

Gepostet von: Giyane | 29. September 2022 21:36 UTC | 71
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You can wish what you want.
Biden = USA will never sue any western country...
Keep dreaming

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 21:43 utc | 64

You can wish what you want.
Biden = USA will never sue any western country...
Even if you found the Bidens pass in the Baltic Sea !!!!
Keep dreaming

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 21:44 utc | 65

@69 Cont'd--

I've published the Q&As as promised, and they can be found here.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 21:50 utc | 66

🇷🇺 (https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*1VrBjspAa3ZAzHcSoTwfMA.png) Russian-language channel legitimniy (https://t.me/legitimniy/13593): "We immediately wrote (https://t.me/legitimniy/13575) that the blowing up of the gas pipeline branches is the opening of a "pandora's box" in the case of the world infrastructure war.

Next, we model:
Tankers, barges, bulk carriers will randomly explode.
Attacks on oil and gas platforms in neutral waters.
Planes disappear and fall (everything is easier here, Ukraine has now sold a lot of weapons to the black market, and even more so MANPADS, which will soon emerge).
The global Internet and telecommunications will disappear. After all, all cables run along the bottom of the ocean and seas.
Gas pipelines and oil pipelines will massively fail.
Increase piracy.

Based on all this, the famine in 2023 is already a more real story.
This is what the writers seem to want. After all, everyone knows that Americans own almost all agrarian transnational corporations. Moreover, they are now promoting the larvae for food, and the best thing is to get people to switch to this, because of the need, at least there is something."

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2022 21:54 utc | 67

You will find Bidenpiss in every lake and sea on the planet, but he will never live this down.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 29 2022 21:54 utc | 68

Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 20:12 utc | 39

good read.

Censorship rampaging on B's site these days.

Posted by: cataphract | Sep 29 2022 21:55 utc | 69

@59

"Now do Kulaks."

You mean the Ukrainians who killed all their livestock and burned their fields in a tantrum over collectivization — ancestors of the current Ukrainian crop that may be about to get us all killed? No sympathy.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 29 2022 21:58 utc | 70

Wilbur | Sep 29 2022 20:57 utc | 54

we all know how the surges work out for an occupying army.

Posted by: cataphract | Sep 29 2022 21:58 utc | 71

for the wanna be trolls, whatcha think bouta königsbergle? :D

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 29 2022 21:58 utc | 72

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 21:53 utc | 75
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Now what does your comment say about you?
130 international observers say otherwise....
But guys like her are NOT interested in that!
And thanks to your crystal ball, you were sure to be there live!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 22:00 utc | 73

Scott Ritter's latest interview with Russian Duma MP and former Army General, Andrey Gurulyov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7Q5ybutB0

He had some choice words to say about how things are going to end up in the near longer term future.

Perhaps the hint that 'accidents' may begin to start happening, as a result of certain actors' recent deliberate acts of terrorism, was the most interesting one.

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 29 2022 22:02 utc | 74

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 22:06 utc | 84
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All of that is a consequence of "Putinism". The smart people leave and the bootlickers remain.
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What species do they belong to?
To the cowards or to the bootlickers?
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I know what it means to live (40 years) my life under communism!
They also ???
So keep your mouth shut about things you have no idea about!
My senses are sharpened by 40 years, I recognize when a system lies!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 22:12 utc | 75

IMO, this Q&A provides some excellent food for discussion. I'll copy/paste the machine translation to my VK wall so it can be read by those unable to read Russian or provide themselves with a translation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 29 2022 21:26 utc | 69

It does, thank you for sharing.

I am embarrassed by the difference in verbal intelligence between Western and Eastern leaders.

Mr Lavrov speaks like the authoritative, intelligent, measured, dignified person your Foreign Secretary really should be.

He speaks in paragraphs, not soundbites. He makes arguments, and offers evidence to support them.

He sounds like an adult. He would be completely unelectable in the United States or Britain.

Posted by: ZX | Sep 29 2022 22:13 utc | 76

Comandante | Sep 29 2022 20:35 utc | 46

There has been a major social media disinformation campaign by Ukraine and the west targeting ethnic minorities in Russia especially Turkic minorities. It seems even Mongolia or at least some political figures there were involved. According to Tass about 90,000 Russians crossed the border since the 21st and 60,000 had returned to Russia. I am not sure what normal border crossing numbers would be but I assume a lot that left because of mobilization realized they had been fooled and went home again.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 22:23 utc | 77

@84

Putin will de-Nazify Ukraine come hell or high water — looks like we’re getting a bit of both today.

Go cry about it.

Posted by: line islands | Sep 29 2022 22:25 utc | 78

“Here is how you identify bootlickers...they lick dictators boots. Pretty simple.”

The Azov boots taste better, do they? Or are you just taking it up the ass?

Posted by: line islands | Sep 29 2022 22:31 utc | 79

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 22:24 utc | 88
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I hope that the payment for the sick garbage you spout is reasonable!
Notion of NOTHING.... but want to talk.
I assume you've never been to Russia, you can't even find it on the map!
Have NO idea of the size of this country...9000 x 4000 km
You fool, that means you can fly faster from Moscow to New York than from west to east of this country!
And you have absolutely NO idea about political systems....you don't even need to do your job at 00.30 at night....ergo...either a convinced Ukrainian, or a well-paid but poorly trained politician representative !
Sorry..... tell me my experience with Idiological Idiots...
Idiologists were always dangerous !!!!
But basically stupid!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 22:34 utc | 80

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 20:12 utc | 39

A site called "American Greatness" - LOL. Is it a The Onion spinoff?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 29 2022 22:34 utc | 81

Putin has signed decrees recognizing Zaporozhye oblast and Kherson oblast as independent states. These are now independent states recognized by a UN and UNSC member⁠. Not for long, though, as tomorrow their heads⁠ together with the heads of the DPR and the LPR⁠ will sign accession agreements with the Russian Federation.

Interestingly, the entire Zaporozhye oblast has been recognized as an independent state, although the referendum was only held on Russia-controlled territory (see my earlier comment on this). According to Vladimir Rogov, the chairman of We Are Together With Russia movement, another referendum will be held in the rest of Zaporozhye oblast territory after it falls under control of Russia and allies.

Posted by: S | Sep 29 2022 22:47 utc | 82

Sadly, you appear impervious to truth. Worse, you would rather believe propaganda over truth. I only suggest you open your eyes and listen to your own countrymen, they are voting with their feet.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 22:38 utc | 94
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For one... they are NOT my compatriots although I have spent years in Russia, and yes in Ukraine too!
2) Well, believable or not!!!
About 60,000 of the allegedly about 90,000 who fled returned after they understood that they were not affected at all!!! It was about reservists...not UN servants, NOT students!
And...you noticed that you are NOT welcome....in ANY country in the world not even Germany where Russian business is no longer safe thanks to baiting! Not even in their own former republics!!
Your wife is Ukrainian ..... then certainly with contact in the homeland, I assume West Ukraine?
Then you know how Poles think about you?
If she comes from the East....then she hasn't been home for a long time!

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 22:48 utc | 83

Paco #18 +20

Thank you for that link. iEarlgrey posted a report earlier today on a recruiting advert for highly specific and trained 'extraction personnel' to operate in Ukraine. One to two thousand $US per day.

Military Summary channel forecasts a major counter offensive from Russia and perhaps from Belarus.

This is no confirmation of any imminent nuke event as it implies the opposite. But it is indicative of expectations of a major Russian maneuver. I'll believe that when I see it.

Equally likely is a major Polish invasion to secure western Ukraine simultaneous with a Russian counter via Belarus. I'll believe that when I see it too.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 29 2022 22:51 utc | 84

96
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Interestingly, the entire Zaporozhye Oblast was recognized as an independent state?
NO
A period of three years is needed to adjust the legislation of the Zaporozhye region, if it decides to join the territory of the Russian Federation, while an action plan on this issue is already being worked out, Head of the military-civilian region of the Zaporozhye region Das informed the US government Yevgeny Balitsky on Thursday with.

"We are facing a transition period of about three years," said Balitsky, who arrived in Moscow on Wednesday. "It's all related to the cadastral system of the territory and the land registry, as well as the tax payment system," Balitsky said on a program on Russian TV channel Rossiya-24, adding that the roadmap on this issue is currently being drafted.

Posted by: Mo3 | Sep 29 2022 22:51 utc | 85

when does the west do the nuclear weapon false flag??? only a matter of time.. i am seeing it prepped in the msm, so that is a bad sign...

Posted by: james | Sep 29 2022 22:53 utc | 86

Is there an up to date map of the territory under control of Russia anywhere? I can't find anything in the western MSM propaganda sphere.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 29 2022 22:54 utc | 87

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 22:06 utc | 84

"The reality is that you can't engage on the facts."

The reality is you aren't interested in the truth, that is not why you are here. In fact, as I read your post, you seem like you are drunk.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 29 2022 23:04 utc | 88

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 22:58 utc | 103

If you're in North America or the EU, you're fooling yourself to think that the "news" where you are is less censored than pretty much anywhere. Here in the US, it's total information warfare. Sites expressing views or reporting facts contrary to the 'official' narrative are subject to seizure of funds, blackout on search engines, censorship in social media, etc.

Also as has been laid out here numerous times, the western "news" agencies don't even really have feet on the ground where the action is. Foreign correspondents for the major wire services are a thing of the past. I'm sure someone else can remember the article/study I'm thinking of if deemed worth the time to do so. I may find it myself later from home and post.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 29 2022 23:05 utc | 89

I realise it is pointless to ask as some appear destined to always interact with idiots, but why are so many paying any attention to the latest twerp to appear here?
All you are doing is in encouraging an obvious drongo who will never respond to your posts in the way you wish.
I betcha he's not even paid, that he's just another idjit who will cower in his little corner of the permanently blighted florida when the shit his the fan which will be very soon. Such types are too dumb to see that however bad others have it, they are gonna cop it worse from those they praise as those they praise hold them in contempt whilst as we have seen with the recent sabotage, the elites, mic, borg whatever you want to call 'em are genuinely scared of people who actually push back 'cos they know how transparent elite bulldust actually is. People who see through it are dangerous, those who lap it up are useless idiots not worth allowing to exist.

ps the other new idjit who is responding is most likely original idiot talking to himself.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 29 2022 23:09 utc | 90

@ rk 2

Down South now feels like Down Syndrome after that.

Posted by: WTFUD | Sep 29 2022 23:12 utc | 91

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 29 2022 23:09 utc | 108

LOL. I think this new one gets paid by the word.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 29 2022 23:13 utc | 92

@Mo3 #100:

NO

What is your “NO” supposed to mean? You can follow the link I gave and see for yourself that Putin has signed two decrees recognizing Zaporozhye oblast and Kherson oblast as independent states. The fact that there will be a transition period necessary to adjust legislation (just like in Crimea and Sevastopol) is irrelevant.

Posted by: S | Sep 29 2022 23:15 utc | 93

Posted by: Muthaucker | Sep 29 2022 22:24 utc | 88

You were the one which has been lobbing depleted uranium all over the world. Bombing wedding parties and family gatherings from 15k feet with drones from a hut in Nevada? Just a couple of years ago you were the one about to use nukes in your planned war in Iran. Amazing you managed to not drop one in Afghanistan or Somalia. Temptation must have been extremely high. Your shipyards are rotting out all along your coasts. Your ivy league universities produce nothing but degenerate imbeciles. You only survive a couple of more years (maybe) through the sheer idiocy of others, like bribed and idiotic eurocrats destroying any competitive edge they had and donating anything of value to you. Now when you get scared of losing everything you plan on nuking the world with your pos rockets from the 70s which you couldn't afford (or maybe lacked know-how) to upgrade.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2022 23:19 utc | 94

James @ 101

false flag set up in progress...

Seems plausible from way over here in Canada.
Echoes of Syria, where with every Syrian breakthrough victory they are seized of the insanely counterproductive need to use chemical weapons. Ritual condemnation throughout the globalist infowar Wurlitzer & captured international agencies.

What's different is that Russia learned to preemptively warn of an impending false flag--but not yet here.

1) The madman at the nuclear switch and 2) that a mobilizing Russia is on the run ... are used to make RF nuke attack plausible to brain-rotted media / 'international community'..

Hell if they can sell RF blowing up NS2, this should be child's play.

Most useful thing China could do at this point is to say:
We of course energetically support a negotiated solution, but will throw all of our resources--military and industrial--against any nation using nuclear weapons preemptively, which has only been done once in human history.

It would be clear to all that Russia then knows it would be crazy to lose China's support and indeed to push China into the arms of the West-- making it still more implausible that Russia would pull the nuke lever first.

Perhaps the most

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 29 2022 23:19 utc | 95

Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 29 2022 22:54 utc | 102

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1V8NzjQkzMOhpuLhkktbiKgodOQ27X6IV&ll=48.412598753977136%2C36.19627730315152&z=7

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 23:21 utc | 96

Marko- #3: It starts with kids from 2-3 yrs up. ( Sunday School?)

Posted by: bbeer | Sep 29 2022 23:25 utc | 97

Paul Damascene | Sep 29 2022 23:19 utc | 114

I don't know who organized the first big one in 2013, but the later false flags when Russia began wiping out the wests proxies were all by the UK/MI6 white helmets.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 29 2022 23:28 utc | 98

fyi
Big Serge has some ideas on the importance of the blowing up of the Nord Stream pipelines, among other impo0rrtant things


https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun

Let us briefly meditate on the actual implications of Nordstream’s demise.

Germany loses what little autonomy and flexibility it had, making it even more dependent on the United States.

Russia loses a point of leverage over Europe, reducing the inducements to negotiation.

Poland and Ukraine become even more critical transit hubs for gas.

Russia clearly perceives this as a bridge burning move of sabotage by NATO, designed to back them into a corner. The Russian government has decried it as an act of “international terrorism” and argued that the explosions occurred in areas “controlled by NATO” - the concatenation of these statements is that they blame NATO for an act of terrorism, without explicitly saying that.....

"....For the time being, I expect Russian escalation to remain confined to Ukraine itself, likely coinciding with the deployment of additional Russian ground forces. If Russia feels compelled to undertake an out of theater escalation, targeting American satellites, digital infrastructure, or forces in Syria remain the most likely option....."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 29 2022 23:31 utc | 99

@Tom_Q_Collins #102:

Is there an up to date map of the territory under control of Russia anywhere?

Try this: https://geoworld.space/ukraine/

It’s in Russian and only updated about once a week, but you can “rewind time”.

Try fiddling with the settings in the upper right corner, maybe one of the maps will display in English from your IP.

Posted by: S | Sep 29 2022 23:41 utc | 100

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