@Posted by: jared | Sep 29 2022 16:18 utc | 300

The US is planning for is on trajectory for war with Russia. In preparation it is running Russia down by proxy war. The idea is limited war which weakens Russia economically and Putin politically. Russia will then be left for owners to pick over and break apart …
Turkey and China will stand by and watch this happen, hoping to be in position to receive favorable treatment when the time comes …
Russia has seen this and is worried – hence the consideration of nuclear option.

Russia is becoming stronger and more ready for a full war by being forced to find domestic and other suppliers for goods, whilst Western arms stockpiles dwindle and the European economy disintegrates and the US economy is on the way to a serious financial crash. Putin’s domestic position has also been enhanced by the war. China has shown that it knows that it has to stand with Russia or it will be at the mercy of the brutalist US regime – the Russia/China relationship is tighter than ever. Turkey knows what will happen if there is no offset to US power, as does India and the Rest of the World.
The desperate ones are the West and especially the US elites as all their plans are failing. Russia is concerned about them actually starting a full on attack or even nuclear war in desperation and therefore we get all the Russian warnings – your logic is the exact opposite of what Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov etc. have stated, Russia has no policy of first use while the US reserves the right of first use. The obvious Western attack on the Nordstream 1 and 2 shows this level of Western desperation.
The greatest period of danger will be between Friday (the four oblasts become part of Russia) and the comprehensive defeat of the Ukrainian forces by the full might of the Russian military. The effect of such a defeat on the US international status and on the neocon elites back home would be such that the Western elites may very well go for broke.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 29 2022 16:35 utc | 303

Did you know the Russian economy will “die by winter” according to a “top Russian economist?” Fortune Magazine said so!
https://fortune.com/2022/09/26/russian-economy-die-by-winter-says-economist-vladislav-inozemtsev-putin-mobilization/
I hope the people who read Fortune aren’t putting serious money on that. The economist is Vladislav Inozemtsev. According to the Moscow Times website, Vlad is “serves as a Special Advisor to the Russian Media Studies Project at MEMRI, Washington (DC) based think tank.” He also worked for Mikhail Prokhorov’s failed presidential run against Putin, where Prokhorov finished 3rd with 7.9 percent of the vote.
In his latest article for the (web-only) Times, he’s glad to suggest a list of Russians who should be sanctioned by the West. (The Times was forced to relocate to Amsterdam after running afoul of Russian media laws after the Ukraine conflict started.)
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/28/sanction-the-right-people-in-russia-a77529
I’m surprised at people who don’t read down to the “second level” – one cannot separate the message from the messenger.

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Sep 29 2022 16:36 utc | 305

JMW@280
The “overall problem” is primarily the WarDefense Industry, where the bank$ter investors hold the largest tranche. So the U$$A military ought to be cut down to approximately one-fifth of its current budget…just enough to actually DEFEND the 50 state Union.
Secondly, there ought not be some 17 spy agencies gobbling up resources. CIA and FBI need to be abolished as well as most others. One non-military intel agency should suffice for dealing with internal matters. At present, most of those nests of public parasites spend most of their time and money spying on the American people.
Social Security and similar assistance agencies should be fully funded and at the same time some of that vastly monstrous “defense” spending should be redirected to reconstruction of a devastated national infrastructure, including especially total reconstruction of the passenger rail network. With bullet trains hooting along at 300 mph, the atmospherical polluting airline industry could be cut down to flights of 2,000 miles plus, in addition to international flights.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 16:39 utc | 307

@306 Thanks for the research Ursula. Here is some more background on the great Russian patriot Vladislav…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladislav_Inozemtsev

Posted by: dh | Sep 29 2022 16:47 utc | 309

@ Posted by: Roger | Sep 29 2022 16:35 utc | 304
Good points.
However, I suspect Russia is having much greater difficulty than is acknowledged and the work it needs to do will take years. Meanwhile the people will grow restless. A difficult task, but maybe no worse than the west/China and their debt problem – desperation.
Also I suspect Russia will freeze the conflict after annexing the territories – they are playing it very cautious knowing what is behind Ukraine.

Posted by: jared | Sep 29 2022 16:51 utc | 311

Chevrus @307
Will the Czech people be the first in the EU/NATOstan to bring out the torches, pitchforks and hangman’s nooses against their Bank$ter controlled puppet regime? At 70,000 (minimum) demonstrating in Prague, that number represents a much larger proportion of the Bohemian/Moravian population.
Somewhere, somehow, with winter looming and cold and hunger beckoning; the people of a single European country will explode on their imposed masters. As Louis XIV famously remarked, “Apres Moi, le deluge”. The domination dominoes could go down in rapid sequence.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 29 2022 16:59 utc | 313

So I looked on the UN website for August 24th, but couldn’t find anything about the GA meeting where they voted on condemning Russia’s SMO but were outvoted 3 to 1. They really scrubbed it ?! Wow.
Does anybody have any other thoughts, or links about this ?
Thank you. This is really bothering me.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 16:35 utc | 305
I tried to find that resolution as well! But I couldn’t find it on the United Nations web site (which, frankly, is far from helpful). I just thought I was too dumb to find it, so I get a bit of schadenfreude knowing that someone else had trouble.

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Sep 29 2022 17:04 utc | 315

Quelle surprise. EU economy is in “tatters” like Ursula VDL put it yet they are expect to build and buy new weapons from US MIC. With what? US going to hand them out for free (stealing any currently productive EU assets doesn’t count as payment)?
This project will choke, crash and burn.
The heads of NATO weapons industries were summoned to Brussels on Tuesday by Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg to discuss ways to replenish stockpiles of weapons and ammunition the US-led bloc has sent to Ukraine. Stoltenberg urged the military-industrial complex to speed up production amid reports the West was running short on key supplies.
The meeting of the Conference of National Armaments Directors (CNAD) focused on the bloc’s “capabilities and munitions stockpiles” in light of the conflict in Ukraine, according to NATO.
“Enhancing NATO stockpiles will ensure we can keep supporting Ukraine,” Stoltenberg said. “We need to keep working together as NATO Allies and with industry to replenish our munitions stocks and provide Ukraine with the support it needs, for as long as Ukraine needs it.”
https://www.rt.com/news/563634-nato-ammunition-supplies-ukraine/

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 29 2022 17:06 utc | 317

@Ursula Zandt | Sep 29 2022 17:04 utc | 315
They failed to get enough support to bring a vote forward so a statement was issued instead.
https://media.un.org/en/asset/k16/k16cfqo5s9

Posted by: too scents | Sep 29 2022 17:08 utc | 319

Aristodemos 313: Well I certainly fuggin hope so! I also think that we may see the splintering of the EU, and without the dragged out fanfare of Brexit. More of a middle finger and F-U….

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 29 2022 17:11 utc | 321

@304 Roger
Yes, it does appear that desperation is taking complete hold on the west. Blowing NS2 is evidence that the Ukraine situation is going to be solved by Russia soon, hence the escalation. One also wonders if its cratering economies are part of the method to prime the people into accepting war with Russia. But this is a foolish expectation. Having lost their savings, their job, their retirement, the PTB expect then that people will blame Russia for this?
These elites will try another galvanizing event a la 911…and it will be some nukes tossed into the fray with false flags.
This is the part in the story where we find out if there are any nationalists in the MIC of the west who will take the button away from the Talmudists. They would have to know that their livelihood is at great peril but are not stupid enough to think that they can spend their ill-gotten gains on irradiated beach-front property.
The Talmudists are getting ready to tip over the table. If the Nationalists don’t stop them, this means that their biggest “FU” to the world is about to transpire.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 29 2022 17:30 utc | 323

… Nobody has any links to this vote ?
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 17:16 utc | 321
There was no UNGA vote, it is in UN records as an informal statement by the US Mission to the United Nations:
https://usun.usmission.gov/joint-statement-on-six-months-of-russias-full-scale-invasion-of-ukraine/
It is reasonable to speculate as to why the US demurred from putting the matter to a full vote.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 29 2022 17:35 utc | 325

@anon2020 – Thank you !
Aaaaah. I’m a little slow on the uptake sometimes, but I get it now. This was REALLY perturbing me.
So is there no record of the preliminary pre-motion vote, except for that article on RT ?
That’s still pretty wild, but I understand it now. « Nothing to see here. »

Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 18:03 utc | 327

@Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 29 2022 17:30 utc | 324
I would not put anything past the neocon ideologues and their elite masters given their history. All the talk of nuclear weapons from the West sounds very much like the preparation for a tactical nuke false flag – hence the Russian hardline warnings. Ukrainian lives are meaningless to these Western scum. To blow up Nordstream 1 and 2 is already a very major Western escalation, which may cause severe blowback in the Rest of the World and possibly Germany itself requiring a further escalation to make the pipeline attack “old news”.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 29 2022 18:22 utc | 329

… So is there no record of the preliminary pre-motion vote, except for that article on RT ?
That’s still pretty wild, but I understand it now. « Nothing to see here. »
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 29 2022 18:03 utc | 327
As far as I know there was no vote of any kind, the statement is on the US mission site and somewhere on the UN site (someone else posted that links a month or so ago). It’s listed as an “informal” statement in the UN records, as far as I remember.
In retrospect, it is perfectly clear that the US did it this way in order to give the Aug 24th statement (little more than press release) the patina of a formal UNGA statement / resolution.
Pompeo was involved in this cheap ruse. On a Pompeo-related note, Iran holds him and Trump responsible for the assassination of General Qasem Soleimani. It was suggested here a while ago that Pompeo might personally be on an IRGC kill list for his role in that murder. I just googled “soleimani pompeo” and would say that, according to my Spider Sense, that pig-eyed sack of shit certainly believes he is.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 29 2022 19:01 utc | 331

Sure at some point this could change but Russia is at no position to wven dream about Odessa right now.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 29 2022 14:10 utc | 256
1. There are substantive negotiations which end hostilities. One item is that the Odessa oblast (maybe ALL) gets to run a referendum. They will vote to join RF.
2. Hostilities continue in which case at some point Odessa will hold a referendum and vote to join RF.
No worries, mate.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 29 2022 19:24 utc | 333

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 29 2022 15:54 utc | 293
So you are “digging” ?
Can you read what is at the top of his thread ? No ? I’ll help you :
“Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.
Please stick to the topic.”
I don’t see “Open Thread for Hitler” ?
Maybe you can “help” b another way ?

Posted by: UncleTom | Sep 29 2022 19:33 utc | 335

It is amazing that Russian responses to this sabotage are so weak.
Now, The West knows it can be even more aggressive.
Posted by: marko
Respectfully disagree: Those jumping to conclusions or worse, lowering themselves to blaming the victim, are the ones who look weak. Outside of the NATO bubble, the world is acutely aware of the rank duplicity of the US and it’s vassals.

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 30 2022 2:12 utc | 337

Posted by: GuardYourHumanity | Sep 29 2022 6:29 utc | 188
I agree wholly with the idea that with regards to the US’s obvious role in the pipeline sabotage that Germany is afraid to say it out loud due to the cascading humiliation and a sudden change of government that would result. I want add that in my mind this is the exact same reason they quietly gave up getting their gold back from London. They got back at most 20%.

Posted by: Prompt Critical | Sep 30 2022 3:47 utc | 339

@Brother Ma #262
Hitler’s medal for bravery he got because his unit saved a german jewish officer. It was a collective reward and Hitler need not have been there at all.
There is one researcher, Dr Thomas Weber who took the trouble to actually check the Barvarian War Archive for the 16th Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment concerning Hitler and the other members of Hitlers unit who called him ‘rear area pig’ to denote that he was significantly distanced from his regiment’s front line troops.
Myth of a ‘heroic’ Hitler whose First World War experience led him to power dispelled by new book 17 August 2010
https://www.abdn.ac.uk/news/3757/

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 30 2022 15:42 utc | 341

Yet more lost ground to Kiev today ! Defiant celebratory speeches one day , humiliating defeat and retreat the next day , its clear that there is a disconnect between what Putin is being told and what the actual situation on the ground is . General Shoigu is making Putin look like a fool , he needs to be fired .
If , God forbid , Russia loses this war , it will be due to the ineptitude of Putin’s generals . What the Russians have been doing , what they are not doing , it makes no sense , something is very very wrong . I don’t blame Kadyrov one bit for being frustrated and angry .

Posted by: Buford T Justice | Oct 3 2022 2:16 utc | 343